Javatacos: does anyone know can you shoot other peoples mines?
Manvir: can i have a hiiiya
Swagboy: Can't Javatacos
eulerscheZahl: my workflow: make the bot print every input given directly to stderr
eulerscheZahl: then copy all the error output to a local textfile
eulerscheZahl: use that textfile as input for your local execuation
eulerscheZahl: i automated that process to download the replay and extract the error stream into that file instead of copy-pasting by hand
eulerscheZahl: you can do whatever your local IDE supports
struct: euler hi
struct: you have deduplication for states?
eulerscheZahl: not really
eulerscheZahl: i have but it's broken
struct: i see, I wonder if its worth
eulerscheZahl: pb says it's not
kovi: theoriteically there is no dedup
eulerscheZahl: only little pruning but takes a lot of time
eulerscheZahl: movement order can matter if you track mine placements
kovi: and possibility for same path is rare
eulerscheZahl: yes we got slightly different results on a test match
eulerscheZahl: i got 2064 and he got 2028 (don't nail me on the exact numbers)
eulerscheZahl: at least it was really close
eulerscheZahl: egaetan: you've got 41/2064 i've got 41/2024
eulerscheZahl: close enough
eulerscheZahl: good that dbdr archives the chats now https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2020-03-23
struct: doesnt seem worth it then
eulerscheZahl: i do a cleanup on SURFACE
struct: Are you going to change that?
dbdr: happy it is useful :)
eulerscheZahl: no plans yet
eulerscheZahl: first i gotta track myself to reveal as little info as possible
struct: by cleanup, do you clean possible mines placed aswell?
eulerscheZahl: i don't have a mine history for the opponent
struct: So you dont take into account mine action from opponent at all?
egaetan: hi eulerscheZahl, we have got a difference in number of paths ?
tempux: Is it against the rules if I push my code into a public github repo?
Uljahn: ye, i'll be disqualified
Uljahn: also those who copy
tempux: ok, thanks
Tunga: Why it is forbidden to push codes into github?
Tunga: Is it because the game is ongoing?
MadKnight: Tunga only to public repos cuz somebody can find your code and steal it
EleetCodeR: What to do if we get stuck and need help? can we ask others for help?
dbdr: what are you tuck with EleetCodeR?
EleetCodeR: some issue with test cases 3 and 4 of Power of Thor...even though code seems correct.
dbdr: sure, you can ask
EleetCodeR: I am guessing I can't show my code to understand what i am doing wrong?
Nixerrr: EleetCodeR You can past your code here, it'll auto-convert to a pastebin link
dbdr: you can alwasy try. depends how long it is
Nixerrr: The most common issue ppl have with those is not updating thor's coordinates
Nixerrr: *paste your code
EleetCodeR: oh right...my understanding was subsys will provide updated thor co-ordinates after every move...as it was showing on console..let me try... will ask you if i still can't get it
EleetCodeR: Thanks alot guys.
Tunga: MadKnight you mean even the puzzle codes are forbidden to publish or competitive codes only?
struct: damn pb4
struct: What have you done?
pb4: lucky streak
pb4: not much compared to the push 10mn ago
pb4: which was 5th...
struct: Damn but its 2 points difference still
struct: Anyways you are doing good, for a type you are not good at
struct: no RonaldsZ
Nixerrr: Tunga Code of currently running competitions
Nixerrr: So you'll be kicked from Ocean of Code if you post your code to a public repo
Tunga: I aint even compete yet, I was just curious
Tunga: Thanks for the answer tho
Tunga: pb4 are you a dota player/fan, your avatar is dota hero's picture: io
pb4: wut ?
pb4: I don't know dota
pb4: I'm crap at all those games
AntiSquid: Tunga that's the codingame logo with blue background .
Uljahn: stop being a dota fan and become a CG fan
AntiSquid: and dota is super hard to play, if you don't have 7k MMR at least you're considered bad
Tunga: Uljahn, I am not dota fan, I became code fan later on. I was a gamer like 20 years after quit completely
Tunga: I was a semi-pro gamer, I dedicate so much time for that non-sense
AntiSquid: i just don't understand "pro-gaming" these days shit like clash royale is considered competitive, when it's pay to win
Tunga: I was 5k when top pro players are like 7k
AntiSquid: 9k - 10k ?
Tunga: pro-gaming = if you gather money from playing
AntiSquid: i mean the top mmr of dota
Tunga: After some time later, matchmaking gone completely nonsense and some players became 8k - 9k
AntiSquid: at the end of the day, playing in a team is completely different than solo
Tunga: I dont know now but when I quit like 2 years ago, top players almost 10k in rate of mmr
Tunga: Playing with random team sucks because matchmaking fixing the games of yours as a lose or win with looking your previous games
Tunga: If you win 3 games in a row, you should expect a lose
Tunga: When I started the game, there is no mmr rates, there is only win rates like %55
Tunga: I was like %58, then mm gives you %43 wr teammates and make you lose against %52 %53's
struct: I used to play lol
struct: It was the same
struct: but bigger win streaks
Tunga: Then, fire nation attacked
struct: like 10 wins
struct: 10 loses
AntiSquid: you need to join hubs
Tunga: what is hubs?
Tunga: LOL is started by a guy who is a partner of dota 1
Tunga: There were 3 guys at start
Tunga: Then it ll be 3 games, HON (which is lost the battle against other games), LOL and Dota
struct: pb4 is it still the same code, sorry for ping
Nixerrr: I'm a semi-pro wacky wheels player
kovi: pb4, stop spamming, you are my nemesis and keep pushing me down :)
mchl12: pb4, keep spamming, you are my saviour and keep pushing me up :)
RoboStac: the top positions will all get reset in a few hours anyway when you change to silver
RoboStac: so unless he's really pushing you down it shouldn't matter :)
emh: Silver is at 18:00?
pb4: I'm pushing everyone down :punch:
RoboStac: you aren't pushing me down!
RoboStac: I'm safe in my not even in wood 3 yet place
kovi: will you join robo?
pb4: mchl12 : all my versions struggle against you :(
pb4: submits can be very random
pb4: I repushed the same version
pb4: still 6th at 75% games done
kovi: refresh is slow
pb4: 3 elo difference between two submits with the same code :sweat_smile:
struct: 3 is a lot
pb4: 3rd submit, same code
pb4: I had 43.7 and 40.7
kovi: as you plush me down more and more, you can get on me less and less ;)
pb4: sorry :sweat_smile:
Tunga: How can he push you down?
Tunga: With getting more points ?
struct: if he beats he pushes them down
Tunga: It is bot duel ?
struct: His bot plays vs other players bots
Nixerrr: You only get to see other people's solution if you solve the puzzle
Nixerrr: However, you can ask for help here
emh: what? added one little timeout check and went from 12th to 50th.. hmm. or it's maybe too random..
Scarfield: any idea how many will be let into silver when it opens?
struct: 30% maybe?
struct: Like 150 players
Quidome: Is it allowed to use MOVE and SILENCE on the same turn?
emh: Quidome yes
Quidome: interesting, thnxs :)
kovi: looks better if i dont play vs. pb4 :)
Quidome: does a triggered mine set of another mine when it is 'damaged' by the explosion?
Quidome: a pitty :(
Scarfield: neither will a torpedo trigger a mine
Scarfield: could be interesting though :)
Quidome: we had this effect in the previous one ...
Quidome: When is the next league opening and on what for conditions?
Scarfield: if you click on the Bronze League, you can see the date of the next league opening
Scarfield: i think the time is usually 18.00 paris time (?)
Scarfield: so later today
emh: are there any changes to rules scheduled?
Scarfield: and no new rules after bronze
emh: oh ok
Quidome: where do you see that?
emh: no mine nerfing?
Illedan: No changes.
Illedan: Only bug fixes
Scarfield: Top of statement: Welcome to the Bronze league!
In Bronze, you can now use MINES. There won't be any additional rules.
Scarfield: in ille mentioned before :)
Scarfield: Quidome in the top just by the count down
Quidome: found it. thnxs
Quidome: what are the conditions for entering?
Scarfield: getting a higher score than the player bot that is chosen as bronze boss
Quidome: bronze boss is not active yet?
Scarfield: el structo said it could be around top 150 silver bots instantly to silver, and the highest ranked player that isnt pushed to silver, will be set as boss for bronze
Scarfield: well the bot that player has, the player will still participate as normal
Quidome: Aha, nice system
struct: The player that is the boss is also promoted
Scarfield: oh nice, didnt know that
Quidome: so you don't have to fight your own written boss :D
Scarfield: yea makes more sense that way :)
emh: I'm at 100k limit now btw. gotta clean it up a bit. have some unused stuff. 3173 lines
Quidome: 3000 lines i have only 350...
Scarfield: but your lines are each 200 chars long :p
Quidome: emh's bot is way better than mine. Have to write some more :P
Andeagi: is there some kind of way to print messages to debug without having the game considering it an illegal move and doing SURFACE ?
Scarfield: what language are you using, you can error print, or add "|MSG debug stuff"
Secundus: at what time does the silver league start?
Andeagi: ok thx :)
Scarfield: in 4 hours i think (?)
Secundus: almost 800 line of code and not even a single comment. thats surley how its supposed to be, right? xD
mchl12: Yup, that's how you do it
MSmits: does the IDE work for you guys?
MSmits: ah ok
struct: play my code does not work
MSmits: ok, it's not just me then :)
emh: my submit stopped as well as IDE
Astrobytes: yeah just got the same
Ferris: me too, An error has occurred during compilation/execution
ToshiTuringMachine: Oups An error occurred (#510): "An error has occurred during compilation/execution.". Please contact codersHS@codingame.com
ToshiTuringMachine: oh ! also automaton is off?
ToshiTuringMachine: world is falling apart
Astrobytes: Pinged staff on discord
Nixerrr: Automaton2000 AutomatoNN
Automaton2000: imagine you have a good one
Nixerrr: Just asleep
Astrobytes: You missed an 'n' for NN
AutomatonNN: what is the problem with your bot?
Nixerrr: Ah ok
Nixerrr: They're annoying :/
Astrobytes: 'n's in general or the bots? :D
Nixerrr: haha the latter
Astrobytes: lol, agreed
Nixerrr: I'm a fan of thrice repeated consonants at the end of nicks as you can tell :D
Astrobytes: haha true!
AntiSquid: inivte spam me to clash of code = ban AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: good luck with that code
Astrobytes: that has a good sound to it MSmits
MSmits: how is your ooc bot Astrobytes?
MSmits: I've only started to try and make silence work today
AntiSquid: how do you enjoy the game MSmits?
AntiSquid: is it good?
MSmits: I like it yes, but I am not that far into it yet. Still working on tracking
Astrobytes: 195th bronze, still just silences. Need to refactor some stuff and add... everything lol
MSmits: got a long list
MSmits: but taking it easy
MSmits: I worked on uttt earlier :P
AntiSquid: i have rand() % 2 charge torpedo @Astrobytes
Nixerrr: That's what I call persistence
Nixerrr: How long have you been tinkering with your uttt bot now?
MSmits: on and off
Nixerrr: You're my idol
MSmits: this one should be nr 1 if i submit it, but I want to add some more things
Astrobytes: lol AntiSquid, I just removed the random stuff from my bot last night
pb4: Do you have error 510 in IDE ?
MSmits: yes pb4
Astrobytes: yea, staff are on it pb4, reported on discord
pb4: I wanted to test this feature...
MSmits: would you have preferred if it was just you pb4?
pb4: does it work when you submit ?
struct: submits stuck I think
MSmits: dont think so
struct: test it locally
Astrobytes: no, submits are frozen also
struct: you have referee with viewer
struct: can play vs an old version of yours :)
MSmits: hi Zpooks
pb4: Online ? I'm not well versed in the setup of my own referee/viewer from the CG source
AntiSquid: welcome to CG Zpooks, enjoy your stay
struct: nah, not online
struct: but I think its working now pb4
struct: ah not
struct: Maybe submit old version
struct: and then play new verssion vs the submited?
struct: I think it should work if you are in a hurry
AntiSquid: almost 1000 bots in the arena
Astrobytes: Should be more by end of weekend, lots of people still busy with work
AntiSquid: busy with wood2 boss
Astrobytes: Is Wood2 boss hard? I slipped through when it was broken, annoyingly
baltilius: Hi, am getting An error occurred (#510): "An error has occurred during compilation/execution.". Does anyone else experience this?
WildSmilodon: Is anybody else seeing : "Oups An error occurred (#510): "An error has occurred during ..."
YannT: yeah I think we're all getting it
Astrobytes: Yep baltilius, WildSmilodon, staff are working on it
baltilius: okay Astrobytes, thanks
darkhorse64: Before it was nerfed with SURFACE every 50 turns, it was quite efficient at tracking you
Astrobytes: Ah OK.
Astrobytes: They nerfed Wood1 boss too I think right? I never had any problem with beating that one
aangairbender: I am also getting #510 error
TetraktysPhi: #510 compil: for several people indeed, CG is looking at
aangairbender: and sometimes 73
aangairbender: error #73
TetraktysPhi: even for a default code, so it's not our code bt a platform pb
wlesavo: working again
emh: do we have to resubmit?
wlesavo: oh nwm back to 73 error
wlesavo: worked for a couple of runs
Astrobytes: Progress! :P
emh: submit completed
Astrobytes: Yeah all seems to be up and running again now
AntiSquid: top 10 promotion to silver
AntiSquid: coz why not
Illedan: Game updated
wlesavo: yeah, it was unexpected seeing all those tooltips
wlesavo: i wondered how we could survive all the damage :slight_smile:
dbdr: hm, the last frame is still not visible?
wlesavo: damn, now there are just too many tooltips
Illedan: I did what everone wanted :P
Illedan: It is dbdr?
dbdr: I don't see a frame with me at 0
dbdr: it appears and is immediately covered
Illedan: in that replay you can see the torpedo hit
Illedan: You couldn't do that earlier
dbdr: 192 is covered
Illedan: There is no action in 192
dbdr: I see the hit in 192
dbdr: at 191 torpedo is charged
dbdr: are you seeing something different?
Illedan: Chared at 191 and used
Illedan: And then you see the explosion
Illedan: and then you see endscreen
dbdr: not in my screenshot
Illedan: I see the same on 191 yes
Illedan: 191 is the frame of the torpedo
Illedan: 190 is the move
Illedan: 192 is endscreen
dbdr: 191 torpedo charge is 3, so it's not fired yet
dbdr: is that if you're fast enough eulerscheZahl?
Illedan: I can see the full explosion before seeing endscreen
Illedan: What speed are you playing it at?
dbdr: I expected a frame you can stay on
dbdr: speed 0
Illedan: Oh, you want even 1 more? :P
dbdr: yeah I guess :D
dbdr: really, when you analyze a situation, don't you do frame by frame?
eulerscheZahl: when you pause and go step by step, you see the cell where an explosion happened, but instantly covered by the endscreen
Illedan: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Illedan: I'll try to add one more
eulerscheZahl: dbdr just wants to see you break the engine
dbdr: otheriwise, the life is removed at the right frame now, thanks for that!
dbdr: the cover hiding the last frame is a problem on many games
dbdr: I guess CG could fix it once for all by adding a special frame for it
Illedan: But wont happen this contest
Illedan: Or even a button to hide it
Illedan: I even let you submit in the contribution and you didn't let me know then :(
dbdr: that was several hours later, didn't think it was relevant
dbdr: and I still think it did not matter for that bug since the bug was before my bot even ran for that turn
AntiSquid: so what changes are made apart from tooltips ?
dbdr: sorry if you missed the info
AntiSquid: any changes regarding gameplay?
Illedan: Nothing regarding gameplay
eulerscheZahl: boss 2 change
eulerscheZahl: wood2 that is
Illedan: even though some bots broke, because they provide invalid input.
AntiSquid: and game will stay the same for the rest of the contest i hope? :p
JFB: strange - my last battle is with marked silence (it looks as old version - even length is 200 not 300) ...
dbdr: maybe old matches?
JFB: No - last one - 1 min ago
eulerscheZahl: "200 not 300" ?
eulerscheZahl: 300 what?
eulerscheZahl: can you share a replay?
Illedan: 2 MSG is not longer allowed and an empty MSG is noth either
dbdr: MSG eval(\'winner = \"dbdr\"\')
eulerscheZahl: you timed out
dbdr: for MSG??
dbdr: isn't that free form?
JFB: But why they are SILENCE marked - not only life losts?
Illedan: Some players used MOVE N|MSG YOLO|SILENCE N 4|MSG MORE YOLO
eulerscheZahl: because the poll said that users want more tooltips
eulerscheZahl: personally i voted for only life losses in the tooltips
dbdr: so now the people who don't will complain :/
dbdr: *some people
AntiSquid: of course
JFB: OK - so it is ew change, right, just innow?
AntiSquid: the others would also complain if they wouldn't get what they want
AntiSquid: so it's only reasonable to complain
dbdr: non sequitur
JFB: OK - it looks just stragne - game 5 min ago was without silence - now is with. But Ok - if ppl like it ...
AntiSquid: maybe some don't even understand what they voted for, happens a lot in the real world
dbdr: oh yes...
JFB: For me it is not a problem - simply wants to know do it is bug or feature ;-)
Illedan: Let's see if we suddenly get 15 votes for Life only :joy:
eulerscheZahl: there's a reason why i linked to the results directly, not the poll
eulerscheZahl: but i see you can get back and vote
wlesavo: if you didnot yet
Illedan: I can't vote again
dbdr: I like how CG designed tooltips to be yellow on a yellow background (for past ones)
eulerscheZahl: i set the checkmark to only allow 1 vote per IP
dbdr: orange on yellow, at most
eulerscheZahl: UTTT tooltips :rolling_eyes:
dbdr: I think I even reported that as a bug on github for uTTT
eulerscheZahl: Illedan don't forget to update https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code
dbdr: why is it related to uTTT?
Zenoscave: new league today!!!
eulerscheZahl: i still prefer the blue vs yellow over red vs orange. despite invisible tooltips
eulerscheZahl: i'm not colorblind, but some games make it really hard
Zenoscave: 20 min from now yes?
dbdr: blue vs red would fix it, no?
dbdr: 20 min - 20 min + 4 hours
dbdr: confidence interval
eulerscheZahl: why 20min? 1h 20min i think
Zenoscave: was past contests always at 4PM UTC ? I may be rememberin incorectly
eulerscheZahl: 6pm french time
eulerscheZahl: changing to daylight saving time will be on this weekend
AntiSquid: they could promote people to new league without resubmitting, then there would be less lag, but maybe this is wishful thinking :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: yeah, your wishes are getting ridiculous
dbdr: league is not that big
JFB: So silver league is open?
Zenoscave: pb3+1 is wrecking
dbdr: only CSB is a big problem no?
AntiSquid: it still lags dbdr
eulerscheZahl: but yet JFB
AntiSquid: always lag, even with 100 promotions
dbdr: lags what? IDE matches have priority over submits
Illedan: Zenoscave, yeah wala got broken because of that MSG killer
Zenoscave: MSG killer?
Illedan: He prints 2 MSG on double command turns
AntiSquid: what was the issue with MSG ?
dbdr: MINE N|MSG MINE BEFORE|MOVE E SILENCE|MSG SILENCE SIMPLE MOVE
AntiSquid: i don't see the issue with that, does some of it get sent to the enemy ?
dbdr: two MSG
Illedan: No, but after refactorization it is no longer valid
Illedan: But I see it as a good idea
dbdr: yes, two MSG make no sense
Illedan: I'll let players set their message :)
Illedan: To change msg between commands
Illedan: Show the first one found first
dbdr: ah, yes, with frames it does make sese
Illedan: Then swap between commands
Illedan: Easy to fix now after refactorization :rocket:
AntiSquid: locam had message after every card move (not saying it's smart, but no issue there imo)
dbdr: but it does not introduce a new frame right?
dbdr: kovi #1
dbdr: ah, pb3+1 in resub
dbdr: still gg for kovi, improved recently
Zenoscave: pb4 you have timeout against me
Zenoscave: want replay?
pb4: Yes please
pb4: this push ?
pb4: If it's from 30minutes ago, I fixed the bug
Zenoscave: It was recent but I'm not sure which.
Zenoscave: just in case
pb4: this one is fixed :)
Zenoscave: of course :+1:
kovi: wow, this time pb4 pushed me up
pb4: dat randomness though
pb4: Previous push went tup to 43 elo
dbdr: are there more games in silver?
dbdr: or just gold?
Zenoscave: yeah you were killining it
pb4: Repushed the same code, stuck around 38 elo at 60%, but it won't ever get first
JFB: Wow - 1000 players :-)
Illedan: pb4, wala giving you some free elo
Zenoscave: gz Illedan and eulerscheZahl
Zenoscave: and G-Rom
ZarthaxX: gz Zenoscave
Zenoscave: for? thank you
ZarthaxX: for pewpewing
Astrobytes: gz ZarthaxX
Astrobytes: for Zarthing
ZarthaxX: oh thanks
Zenoscave: gz ZarthaxX for ban reporting
ZarthaxX: Astrobyto boi
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave my pleasure :)
wala: Thanks Illedan . I've fixed my bug
eulerscheZahl: you've worked around the referee bug/breaking change
mlomb: Maybe the actions could be in a darker color than the life lost I will be easier to tell apart while scrubbing
eulerscheZahl: that's not that simple with the SDK
Illedan: Don't think that is possible no :(
mlomb: :S nvm then
eulerscheZahl: you only tell that there's an event affecting a given player and define the player color in some config
kovi: what was fixed?
kovi: (btw, i also liked the life loosing marks better)
eulerscheZahl: and no way to add extra dummy players for more colors without breaking something else
Illedan: That is possible eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: no Illedan, would screw up elsewhere
Illedan: Ofc, but I wonder if we did from the start :P
eulerscheZahl: e.g. 4 players in selection, even if only 2 get to play
eulerscheZahl: did you vote for the tooltips kovi?
eulerscheZahl: community decided
wala: kovi you can't print multiple messages (that was my bug. it was working yesterday)
kovi: oh i c
kovi: multiple msg? that is op
Illedan: I will add it because wala makes sense
kovi: definitely need the nerf
dbdr: oh, you can change the player colors using the SDK?
Illedan: config has playerColors
kovi: nice submit zenoscave
dbdr: I guess this is the default
struct: yellow red are default for
dbdr: seem pretty familiar
struct: yes, most of multies use these colors
struct: even CSB
Illedan: I'll be off 1 hour. Let me know on discord if anything :fire:
Zenoscave: bye bye
ZarthaxX: holy Zenoscave nice rank
ZarthaxX: this is your tshirt time
Zenoscave: THERE ARE TSHIRTS!?!?!?!
eulerscheZahl: are there tshirts this time?
aangairbender: in no tshirt contest
eulerscheZahl: not revealed yet, if there is anything to win
Zenoscave: don't mess with a man's heart like that
eulerscheZahl: thibaud said here on the chat "we'll find something" that's all i know
struct: I still need to get legend :(
eulerscheZahl: Zenoscave wants that shirt?
Zenoscave: very much
ZarthaxX: they will send masks
ZarthaxX: and alcohol
eulerscheZahl: we are anonymous
Zenoscave: I think he means masks for the virus eulerscheZahl
ZarthaxX: thanks for the clarification lmao
eulerscheZahl: no alcohol => anonymous alcoholics
Zenoscave: thanks for the clarification as well
ZarthaxX: i just wanted to help zeno with his little problem..
Zenoscave: broken submit pb4?
pb4: I'm refactoring my sublime text and testing stuff in CG IDE
pb4: I was a bit hasty in submitting the CG IDE code :D
pb4: It's back
pb4: without the off-by-one error...
eulerscheZahl: so hiding doesn't start today?
struct: it starts on day 1
eulerscheZahl: it starts tomorrow, but maybe someone has an off by one on the date
Zenoscave: you have packages for sublime text?
Zenoscave: any published?
pb4: uh ?
Zenoscave: on package control
pb4: Yes, all
pb4: sublimerge, clang format, easyclang complete, sublimelinter, etc..
wlesavo: so when does tryharding starts
eulerscheZahl: we'll see people battling for the top till the last weekend
blasterpoard: 20 minutes before the deadline, I guess
eulerscheZahl: blasterpoard has bad memories :(
Zenoscave: wlesavo nice submit
blasterpoard: nah, I just went for cheese that time instead of playing properly
blasterpoard: and made #4 bot overnight when it didn't work in the end xD
eulerscheZahl: you image was not a cheese
wlesavo: Zenoscave some mine escaping, still quite random
AntiSquid: hardened tofu boards
Zenoscave: mine escaping. smart idea
wlesavo: basically i estimate possible damage for a move
blasterpoard: btw when will you guys start surfacing before silence when fighting?
Zenoscave: wdym blasterpoard
wlesavo: dont think its always a good idea, just removed that
AntiSquid: he wants you to surface and then silence
Zenoscave: that sound like bad idea
Zenoscave: or as an escape mechanism?
blasterpoard: local testing says it's actually very good
blasterpoard: gives over 70% winrate vs bot that doesn't do it
blasterpoard: ofc not always
Zenoscave: My bot just blindly moves. no escaping/attacking yet
wlesavo: i used to silence right after surface for watever reason
Gajowy: can you just stay in the same place forever and only use the torpedo?
Zenoscave: Try it
blasterpoard: Gajowy no, you need to charge abilities by moving
kovi: im sure everyone will surface
Zenoscave: don't try it
kovi: i just didnt wanted to start
kovi: till last day
blasterpoard: that is gold stuff, not legend stuff
wlesavo: i tried to use surface to escape minefields, but its kinda hard to balance
dbdr: Zenoscave you're #15 with just moving no attacking?
struct: I say replays of him using torpedos and mines
struct: I see*
Zenoscave: I mean I don't target my movements toward any point
Zenoscave: I still torpedo
wlesavo: struct yeah, also just went to check that there are attacks :slight_smile:
Zenoscave: I mean I don't move toward opponent on purpose
wlesavo: i used do target moves, but it looks like a bad idea in general, only if for some finishing blows
Zenoscave: Kinda stuck on what to add next
wlesavo: do you track mine history for trigger filtering?
egaetan: Illedan my Bit is suddenly broken
emh: ohh.. full replay line is back I see
Zenoscave: trigger filtering?
egaetan: the gormat for MINE has changed ?
emh: and I got used to the new sparse one
Zenoscave: egaetan only one MSG
Zenoscave: Mine only takes one arg
Zenoscave: just N/E/S/W
wlesavo: Zenoscave when opponent triggers a mine you can tell if some candidates were around that possition
egaetan: ok time to correct and resub
Zenoscave: Oh yeah I do that
kovi: oh, i start 3 days ago, i totally missed the old one
wlesavo: or if they couldnt ever plant there
Zenoscave: I use it for finding their location only though. no mine avoiding
wlesavo: well estimation of damage is pretty simple if you track mines, but i dunno how to optimally implement it in strategy
wlesavo: egaetan what was the old format?
egaetan: i wrote MINE DIR MINE
wlesavo: oh ok
emh: I'm still at my father's house. finding delicacies in fridge room like beer expired 1998. today's special a 1.25 l Christmas beer expired 2002 or so. celebrating Silver
Astrobytes: I like your style emh
AntiSquid: well aged lol
emh: thanks :)
AntiSquid: any army food in there? lol
emh: we have 3 freezers. mostly self-fished seafood
eulerscheZahl: remember to call the museum when it gets older
AntiSquid: stuff like this is what i mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjZicBu_2Y4
Astrobytes: I only recently threw away my emergency food and water rations as they expired (used to do a fair bit hiking and stuff)
AntiSquid: there's videos of people opening really old army food boxes and trying them out :D
eulerscheZahl: not sure if i want to click that link
AntiSquid: canned / pasteurised / powdered
emh: cool AntiSquid
AntiSquid: ok that wasn't best example, there are some better preserved ones
AntiSquid: https://youtu.be/vkWM6mz_JVo?t=988 he tastes peanut butter from 1957
Astrobytes: Imagine he found some ancient surströmming or lutefisk... would be some video
mlomb: new league!
emh: inoory is Bronze boss?
eulerscheZahl: better than captain Nemo
dbdr: oh, a completely new top
eulerscheZahl: my first match directly vs kovi
eulerscheZahl: great start :D
emh: euler same :)
dbdr: great choice of opponents
kovi: but emh won
emh: yup hehe :) luck
emh: and a loss now kovi
emh: how many matches will there be now in Silver?
emh: 32 at 6%
emh: so 500? I guess the percentage lags a little
BenjaminUrquhart: silver opened and I'm not in it
BenjaminUrquhart: time to fix thigns
AntiSquid: fix it ! :D
kovi: where is dbdr?
AntiSquid: lol some submitted after silver opened, they wreck the boss and mass promote
dbdr: i'm here :)
BenjaminUrquhart: asking for extra frames AntiSquid
kovi: is there a different meta in current top?
dbdr: #15 at 23%
BenjaminUrquhart: my submits stopped
dbdr: I think it's not stabilized yet
dbdr: wait for the end of the submits
dbdr: wala is #23 right now
dbdr: again, not significant yet
BenjaminUrquhart: yay I found tracking bugs
pb4: how is wala so low ?!
JFB: He has bug?
BenjaminUrquhart: leaderboard is unstable
emh: or he doing limbo
BenjaminUrquhart: "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero" found the bug, not sure how this happened but ok
BenjaminUrquhart: theoretically I should never be dividing by zero but I guess some edge case breaks it
wlesavo: so who is the bronze boss?
BenjaminUrquhart: definitely isn't me
JFB: Maybe eulerscheZahl hnows ?
eulerscheZahl: i don't
eulerscheZahl: i only know that it was planned to rank around 200
wlesavo: but at some point we will know that?
eulerscheZahl: because it wasn't communicated on the private discord server, that simple
dbdr: silver: exactly 200 ppl :)
eulerscheZahl: take a guess who it is, then play user vs boss in the IDE
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know what languages the boss uses
BenjaminUrquhart: bronze boss is getting rekt
wlesavo: boss should be with a fixed seed for sure, right?
wlesavo: otherwise it would be not very convinient
BenjaminUrquhart: oh eulerscheZahl can we still break the game by using SILENCE 69
eulerscheZahl: deterministic bosses are highly preferred
emh: right after Silver opened I saw inoory just below boss with exact same score as boss. dunno if that's an indication. is he python3?
JFB: SILENCE 69 - it looks as a name of porno film ;-)
Astrobytes: lol, better than Silence of the Clams I suppose
emh: well they both start at 7,7 at least, but probably a lot of people do
emh: inoryy is it you? are you Bronze boss? how can we know? what does the fox say?
eulerscheZahl: try twice with swapped starting positions emh
eulerscheZahl: on the same map
AntiSquid: ocean of silence 69
emh: both games end at turn 50. 1 0 vs 0 1
emh: inoryy is Bronze boss looks like
eulerscheZahl: boss exposed
wlesavo: heh, that was fast detection
AntiSquid: it's not a strong boss so whatever
eulerscheZahl: it's the bronze boss
AntiSquid: i mean it's not a higher league boss
dbdr: it's practice in Boss hunting
Waffle3z: how often do new leagues get released in the 10-day contests?
eulerscheZahl: every 2 days
dbdr: every 2 days
AntiSquid: every 3 days
wlesavo: 2 people alredy broke bronze carantine
eulerscheZahl: monday, wednesday, friday
eulerscheZahl: cintest from frida to monday
Astrobytes: who's Frida? :P
AntiSquid: tante Frida
eulerscheZahl: the nanny from ducktales
emh: tante means aunt in Norwegian
Astrobytes: ducktales omg
dbdr: and french emh
AntiSquid: and german
dbdr: you speach french AND watch Kaameloot AntiSquid??
AntiSquid: where did that come from?
dbdr: then it's a coincidence :D
dbdr: who's tante friday for you?
dbdr: there, reverse mistake
eulerscheZahl: hm, in the English version Frieda is called Mrs Beakley
eulerscheZahl: did you recognize the German name of her?
AntiSquid: that's personal dbdr
Astrobytes: yea, I used to work with some German guys
Astrobytes: Not that we sat around watching Duck Tales much but
eulerscheZahl: i see
Astrobytes: That's how I got into Rammstein
AntiSquid: i see rammstein more like a good source for memes
Astrobytes: They're epic live
muy31: Is anyone else's code over 1000 lines?
wlesavo: i did, just slightly over
wlesavo: emh had 2700+
muy31: It's really annoying to continuously scroll
AntiSquid: i have < 500 lines and i didn't refactor
muy31: isnt it
emh: wlesavo yes 3188 now
eulerscheZahl: i decided to split my bot into multiple files
muy31: you can do that?
muy31: im using java, so that would help
dbdr: you can NOT do that?
eulerscheZahl: yes, and a script to merge them into a single one
Astrobytes: as long as you recombine them into 1 file for CG yeah
eulerscheZahl: for java there is https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/cgfilemerge-merge-multi-file-workspace-into-one-cg-conform-file/168545/2
AntiSquid: muy depends what IDE you use, but usually (including CG IDE) there's tiny arrows on the right side and you can collapse the functions
Astrobytes: There's a Java one in the forum
muy31: i thought multiple files in CG
eulerscheZahl: just run it as a post build event
Astrobytes: damn euler, beat me to it
eulerscheZahl: hah :D
wlesavo: wow, robo joined
Kathrin: what's going on, my totally stupid code ended 10th in wood yesterday, and was promoted to bronze this morning and just a minute ago to silver. Guess, if I do nothing, I'm legend by the end of the contest
eulerscheZahl: wood boss replaced, was too strong
eulerscheZahl: always hard to choose the right skill without having lots of users to compare to
eulerscheZahl: even harder with the short preparation time
dbdr: hard boss + nerf later seems ideal to me
eulerscheZahl: especially for a longer contest
eulerscheZahl: otherwise bronze would have been huge
Kathrin: I think I will not rely on my luck and boss nerfs, Time to learn the seek part of "hide and seek"
eulerscheZahl: that's easier than hiding
Wishmaster_89: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
**Wishmaster_89 slaps wishmaster_89 around a bit with a large fishbot
Zenoscave: pew pew
Astrobytes: byte byte?
eulerscheZahl: quak quak
Pedro1994: Hi, quick question do you know what I should take to do GUI for c++ (I use eclipse but I can change, Qt seem fine but its not free)
Astrobytes: coin coin
Zenoscave: For the love of god don't do GUI in C++
Zenoscave: unless it is required
eulerscheZahl: qt is not free?
Zenoscave: basic parts are
Astrobytes: It's.... messy
Pedro1994: there is a free trial but i dont know the limitations
Zenoscave: I believe wizzwizz4
Zenoscave: is right*
muy31: i cannot believe that this entire time i never checked if where i am firing my torpedo passed through an island
muy31: so how do you check that anyway?
AntiSquid: uhm lol ?
muy31: ZarthaxX I'm sure that is way to complicate for that
muy31: *way too
AntiSquid: it's more like you have to check it that way
Astrobytes: muy31 it should have been obvious from the image no?
muy31: can you torpedo around corners?
muy31: move 54
eulerscheZahl: there's even an image in the statement to show where you can shoot
muy31: oh yeah forgot
eulerscheZahl: thank you Astrobytes
muy31: still, pathfinding seems unnecessary for just that
Wishmaster_89: can't pass through islands
muy31: that instance barely happens
eulerscheZahl: but it does happen
eulerscheZahl: and screws up your tracking when you expect the opponent to take damage
muy31: so i timed out next turn
eulerscheZahl: i don't know what to say...
muy31: when opponent was "nowhere on the map"
wlesavo: muy31 you can also lose candidates thinking they could not fire through the island
wlesavo: possible positions
eulerscheZahl: possible opponent positions
muy31: well no, i see max of 4 steps