eulerscheZahl: dbdr is awake
good morning
dbdr: moin
eulerscheZahl: i reported the stdout of the viewer 1 or 2 days ago, but the forum is probably the better place here
dbdr: well, gives another chance :)
eulerscheZahl: a draw with 6-6 lives
dbdr: a public bug/feature tracker would be nice
dbdr: with voting
dbdr: or maybe it would become chaos? :D
dbdr: yeah, playing it safe :D
eulerscheZahl: yeah
you can filter the forum by category, but no easy view with status and all + bugs are reported at different locations
dbdr: exactly
dbdr: would be fun to see "oldest issue still open" :D
eulerscheZahl: sometimes i even see tiny bugs that aren't relevant enough for me to report
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/settings/confidentiality
like that button recently, if your language is set to English
dbdr: Mettre à jour
eulerscheZahl: one should update that translation
dbdr: it's an expression in english too, same as "déjà-vu"
eulerscheZahl: i know deja vu
dbdr: or schadenfreude
dbdr: or kindergarten
dbdr: "english"
eulerscheZahl: ok, call me uneducated then :D
dbdr: actually I was messing with you, mettre à jour is not used, afaik
dbdr: just reminded me of the cases where they use foreign words/expresions
dbdr: I wonder if their whole interface is in french first
eulerscheZahl: and now french users are forced to read english for the contest
dbdr: and english is just a translation. seems dangerous
eulerscheZahl: did you see any complains or translation questions on the fr chat?
dbdr: non
eulerscheZahl: the CG interface was Fr first
elderlybeginner: What's the simple strategy for moving uboot in ocean of code?
eulerscheZahl: yes see that by looking at the API
eulerscheZahl: 1 = fr, 2 = en
dbdr: oh, it's U-boats? :D
dbdr: elderlybeginner for moving, just remember where you have already been
elderlybeginner: yea, Uboat :grin:
eulerscheZahl: how do you call a piece pf bakery swimming under the water?
eulerscheZahl: an U-Brot
dbdr: move to one of the four cells where you haven't been
dbdr: :grin:
elderlybeginner: yea, any simple algoritm for efficient choosing a path?
dbdr: ah, it's U-Boot originally?
dbdr: is Boot a german word?
eulerscheZahl: U-Boot is the german word, Boot = boat
eulerscheZahl: and Brot = bread
dbdr: elderlybeginner what I said does not need a complex path finding
dbdr: just looking at the next cell
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/CodinGame/game-fishy-adventures/blob/master/config/test1.json#L3-L4
see, Fr was first
dbdr: if you want better, look up floodfill
elderlybeginner: that's not enough, getting in corners and surfacing too much
dbdr: OK, but that's one game
dbdr: right, then I would say floodfill
dbdr: I knew about Brot :D
Nixerrr: Cool nick elderlybeginner
Nixerrr: And lol euler at u-brot
elderlybeginner: i was looking into snake algoritms, and longest path or hamilton seems over power
dbdr: I think I learned Schiff, not Boot
dbdr: sounds more german
eulerscheZahl: elderlybeginner another way: file:///home/eulerschezahl/Pictures/tronExtend.png
eulerscheZahl: Schiff = ship, a Boot is smaller
dbdr: file:// link
eulerscheZahl: damn
eulerscheZahl: when drag and drop to imgur fails
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/F91Luso
dbdr: oh, that's your local user name? that's long
Nixerrr: I like German rye brot
eulerscheZahl: you see an orange path (me)
elderlybeginner: probably, it works on your comp. :joy:
eulerscheZahl: i extend the horizontal line first (just going in 1 direction)
dbdr: I instinctly used the < > arrows on that imgur to change the turns :D
eulerscheZahl: then add a loop on the orange extension as soon as i can (green)
eulerscheZahl: and extend the green in blue and so on
eulerscheZahl: that's a good filling heuristic i think
but not that great for the contest, easy to track
elderlybeginner: @euler: what algorithm is this?
eulerscheZahl: don't think that it has a name, came up with it myself
dbdr: but going up is the wrong choice there
dbdr: down has more space
eulerscheZahl: the orange at the top left is the final position
eulerscheZahl: i didn't finish drawing it
dbdr: the eulerfill
dbdr: ah ok. the bad choice was made ealier, but then the map was different
eulerscheZahl: i don't see a bad choice
dbdr: OOC is simpler, opponent does not affect your path
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: would be fun to lose without knowing that the opponent has been there
dbdr: the space on the left border was bigger
PatrickMcGinnisII: I internal errored only when eulerscheZahl shows up
dbdr: it's wrong, knowing what we know now
elderlybeginner: you were using it for tron, I guess, you try to get some space for yourself and survive as long as possible in that space
dbdr: probably as not wrong at the time
eulerscheZahl: game error or some 504 request?
eulerscheZahl: but the contest will get an update today
PatrickMcGinnisII: Internal game error
eulerscheZahl: i know why
eulerscheZahl: we started with a prototype, not tested that well
PatrickMcGinnisII: I mispelled a variable name, fixed it...no internal error
eulerscheZahl: a bug made the BFS for torpedo range check slow
eulerscheZahl: huh?
eulerscheZahl: code please
dbdr: [2020-03-23T00:30:01Z INFO recorder] Challenge: ocean-of-code
[2020-03-23T02:30:18Z WARN recorder] Waited to stabilization for more than 7200s, giving up
[2020-03-23T02:30:19Z INFO recorder] Multi: tower-dereference
[2020-03-23T02:30:19Z INFO recorder] Multi: onitama
eulerscheZahl: 2h without stable ranking
dbdr: I added a fail safe for when a single submit is suck for more than 2 hours
dbdr: but for one player. I think you misunderstood yesterday
PatrickMcGinnisII: so i can submit?
eulerscheZahl: that's the referee bug: https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code/commit/562ee7ab052c5c9686ffe2ab6cce181a063da936
dbdr: it does not need a moment with no submit in progress
PatrickMcGinnisII: i added like 250 lines of code to hopefully get above wood
eulerscheZahl: if you shoot outside of the map, you can mape the game crash
eulerscheZahl: doesn't crash offline
i tested before the contest, worked fine
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh that mighta been it
PatrickMcGinnisII: torpedo 4 -1
eulerscheZahl: but on the server it exceeds a time limit
PatrickMcGinnisII: since variable was wrong
PatrickMcGinnisII: it still tries to use a 0 instead
dbdr: CG has another bug then. they should detect a referee crash
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm gonna sub, i tired
PatrickMcGinnisII: don't care if i make it
eulerscheZahl: they make the referee crash just like players, when the time is exceeded
dbdr: but they don't handle it well it seems
eulerscheZahl: but it seems they don't (always?) count the match then
eulerscheZahl: right
dbdr: they also keep waiting for it to finish :D
dbdr: oh, the referee was going into an endless loop?
eulerscheZahl: and you can't trust the quality of a referee
especially now, that we can upload games without having a contest
eulerscheZahl: not endless
eulerscheZahl: but 4s for a BFS to see that the target is out of range
dbdr: definitely. every component should expect the others to fail
dbdr: chaos monkey :)
eulerscheZahl: if (next cell is free) {
put next cell in queue
mark old cell as visited
eulerscheZahl: that takes some iterations to mark everything as visited
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl did you expect or suspect there would be many ties?
eulerscheZahl: i had no expectations
eulerscheZahl: but the turn limit will be increased to 600
Zenoscave: :+1:
dbdr: hm, what would be the consequence to say that in case of tie, player 2 wins?
eulerscheZahl: why?
dbdr: or add extra time first ;)
Zenoscave: and angry recurs_e
dbdr: to avoid draws. like in soccer
eulerscheZahl: sudden death
dbdr: yeah :)
eulerscheZahl: set both lives to 1
eulerscheZahl: and add more islands randomly
dbdr: if there are too many draws, ranking will be more imprecise
dbdr: evil, but random is not good
dbdr: if it's deterministic though...
dbdr: global cooling, sea levels drops
dbdr: or the water boils
dbdr: Zenoscave it might be unbalanced the other way
dbdr: too early to tell
PatrickMcGinnisII: 7 battles still spinning, stuck at 35th in wood2, oh well
dbdr: isn't it caused by wrong commands?
dbdr: you could avoid those...
Zenoscave: wrong commands cause timeouts on engine?
dbdr: I think so, will be fixed today
dbdr: the bug eulerscheZahl linked to
eulerscheZahl: but you might get unlucky and face an opponent doing the bad command?
Zenoscave: What is the ranking that results from it? 0/0?
dbdr: ah, yes. esp in wood
dbdr: could be a situation where even emh could not get out of wood 2 :D
Zenoscave: That would be scary
dbdr: need to create alts with correct outputs to increase your chances
dbdr: and opponents doing the opposite
dbdr: say to keep reCurse in wood 2 ;)
PatrickMcGinnisII: 25 wins, 9 losses, 7 spinning...stuck at 42nd in wood2
eulerscheZahl: the 4th game result beside win, loss, draw
dbdr: :D
dbdr: CG logic is quaternary
dbdr: hm, it's snowing
dbdr: 2 days ago it was 20C
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, gn guys
kovi: where is it snowing?
dbdr: Budapest
dbdr: just a few flakes, not a lot, but still
dbdr: might depend which district :)
kovi: yeah. sun is shining for now. but there were heavy clouds half an hour ago
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/0PmA7W.jpg
dbdr: I have sun and snow :)
Nixerrr: I'm not seeing any snow :O
Nixerrr: 8th district
eulerscheZahl: you could host a coding hub
dbdr: the magyar connection takes over the chat
eulerscheZahl: wait, bad timing :(
dbdr: yeah
eulerscheZahl: do you know each other in person?
kovi: nope
dbdr: nope
Nixerrr: nope
dbdr: nem
kovi: wood 1. gah, silence stops my detection
eulerscheZahl: you just promoted?
kovi: yeah
eulerscheZahl: it's still possible :)
kovi: probably. just not as simply as before
eulerscheZahl: did you need resubmits because of stuck games?
dbdr: wood promotions have never been easy. except the first 5 minutes :D
eulerscheZahl: i blame CG for using the wrong boss code :(
Nixerrr: :rage:
dbdr: put the blame on CGame, boys
Scarfield: Blame Canada
Nixerrr: Why Canada?
eulerscheZahl: southpark reference?
Nixerrr: Ah not a fan
Scarfield: from south park yes
Scarfield: but. but. its the best :D
dbdr: mine is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY2IpSCV-Nk
Scarfield: lol my grandfather often mentions Rita Hayworth
dbdr: TIL Scarfield is my grandson
Nixerrr: :joy_cat:
eulerscheZahl: don't quote me dbdr
i got an email
dbdr: fix your settings
dbdr: lol, with bad russian dubbing at the end
eulerscheZahl: on the topic of your post: right now, i don't see how
dbdr: worse than dubbing, how is this called? a single person dubs the whole film
eulerscheZahl: i can set a higher limit for the 2nd turn
at the cost of having less turns in total
Scarfield: commentary?
Nixerrr: voiceover? not sure, but we used to have
dbdr: I was not blaming the game, just saying it's unfortunate
eulerscheZahl: ah, ok
dbdr: end of the video
Nixerrr: used to have Star Wars with Russian voiceover
dbdr: sounds fun
eulerscheZahl: i struggled with that some times too
Nixerrr: I didn't understand a word but it was still a lot of fun as a kid
dbdr: with no emotions in the voice
Nixerrr: haha yeah
Scarfield: yea its voice over :)
Nixerrr: "I'm your father." "No."
eulerscheZahl: e.g. vox codei 2: get the move patters first
then the solver only has 100ms, not 1s
dbdr: "I'm your grandfather"
Scarfield: xD
Nixerrr: no u
dbdr: we are each other's grandfathers
Nixerrr: mind -> blown
Nixerrr: That would be a great twist in an SF movie
Nixerrr: If it didn't involve incest
Scarfield: its kinda in Back to the Future
dbdr: since Adam and Eve, it's always been incest
dbdr: just at low percentage
Nixerrr: Heinlein's "All You Zombies" anyone?
Nixerrr: Cool short story with time paradoxes from the Golden Age of science fiction
dbdr: whose gradfather are you Nixerrr? ;)
Scarfield: doesnt ring a bell, but have been thinking about rewatching the old planet of the apes, great movies iirc :)
Nixerrr: Yet to be revealed
eulerscheZahl: they were on the earth the whole time :scream:
Nixerrr: Hope someone decent. Would hate have asshole offsprings
eulerscheZahl: Nixerrr jr jr
Nixerrr: *hat to have
Nixerrr: *hate to have
Nixerrr: Haha yeah
emh: good morning :)
egaetan: grrr
emh: no nightly submits? don't see much new battles. but still no 1 yay hehe :)
sean12: good evening from nz
emh: hi egaetan
egaetan: good morning
eulerscheZahl: the contest is a full month long, no need to rush
egaetan: eulerscheZahl what else ?
eulerscheZahl: procrastinate
emh: nah. one-up the slow turtling Terrans by a zergling rush :)
dbdr: do you know the story of The Turtle and the Toad
emh: is it anything similar to the Hare and The Turtle?
dbdr: yes, CG marathon version
emh: oh hehe. yes I don't suppose I will have the stamina to follow through whole compo
emh: let alone come up with good new ideas
emh: but that's why I'm enjoying my time in the sunshine now
eulerscheZahl: get some vitamin D
emh: oh thx eulerscheZahl forgot to take my vitamins this morning actually
emh: 2 multivitamins, 1 vitamin D, 1 magnesium
eulerscheZahl: your body can generate vitamin D in the sunlight
eulerscheZahl: just show some skin
dbdr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeZe2qPLPh0
eulerscheZahl: but the further you are in the north, the harder it gets
eulerscheZahl: in german fary tales the rabbit has to race against a hedgehog
emh: egaetan thanks for pushing me up. tonowak was eerily close
egaetan: :p
emh: and dbdr thanks too :)
dbdr: np
tonowak: Hello. I see I'm still in top5 :) gg emh
emh: gg :)
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441610576
dbdr: uboats barely interracted
dbdr: it will be changed to 600 turns right? today?
emh: oh I heard 300. so 300 per player then? thought it was 150 per player. but not sure
dbdr: in any case that should mean fewer draws :)
eulerscheZahl: we wanted to update the game yesterday already, have to wait for CG. pretty sure it will be changed today
dbdr: how many turns?
eulerscheZahl: 3 times as many
dbdr: nice
emh: wooow
eulerscheZahl: right now there's another bug: player 1 has an extra turn
dbdr: :D
eulerscheZahl: starting and ending the game
eulerscheZahl: will be fixed too
dbdr: off by one errors are hard
eulerscheZahl: and frame count will further increase, don't be confused
eulerscheZahl: splitting chained actions into multiple frames
dbdr: oh, each step separate?
eulerscheZahl: yes
dbdr: yeah, that will be much clearer
dbdr: very nice
emh: will that affect our code? our it's just visual?
emh: *or
dbdr: visual I think
egaetan: it will affect Illedan firing like a xxxx at the end of the game
dbdr: obviously more turns can affect strategy
dbdr: should not break the code
emh: now is the time to regret not using a constant for total number of turns :p
emh: well, I think I used it only 3 places
emh: and can search/replace
dbdr: I even use WIDTH and HEIGHT :D
emh: I used width and height from input
emh: but was in a hurry when adding some code so didn't add constant for number of turns hehe
AntiSquid: hey when is the push to bronze happening ?
dbdr: I use:
assert_eq!(input.read(), WIDTH);
AntiSquid: it's kinda annoying i can submit a bot that beats boss 100% but can't reach it and don't feel like making specific changes just to promote
emh: dbdr wow that's conservative
dbdr: well, I have to read it
dbdr: might as well do something with it :)
dbdr: but better to have constants
eulerscheZahl: i use Width and Height too
but torpedo range is hardcoded
eulerscheZahl: but only used at a single place, as a function
AntiSquid: hardcoded in what way?
dbdr: use 4 in the ode
eulerscheZahl: internal bool InTorpedoRange(Cell cell)
{
return Dist(cell) <= 4;
}
AntiSquid: does that always work?
eulerscheZahl: dist uses BFS dist
eulerscheZahl: cached at turn 1
AntiSquid: adding to todo list
eulerscheZahl: will be part of the new statement on update: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code/master/torpedoRange.png
eulerscheZahl: asked too many times
dbdr: nice
dbdr: the other FAQ is "can my torpedos hurt me"
eulerscheZahl: me, maybe i should add that too
dbdr: A torpedo requires 3 charge actions to be ready. When fully charged, the torpedo can be fired at an arbitrary water position within a range of 4 cells. This allows the torpedo's path to contain corners and go around islands, but not through them. The damage of the explosion is 2 on the cell itself and 1 and all neighbors (including diagonal ones).
eulerscheZahl: i don't say that it does *not* hurt yourself
dbdr: "A torpedo can hurt the submarine of its owner" ?
eulerscheZahl: and then the same again for mines i guess
dbdr: yes, though beginners only deal with torps :)
eulerscheZahl: " You can also damage yourself with a torpedo."
dbdr: wow, lots of snow now
eulerscheZahl: should be enough to add
eulerscheZahl: code word for cocaine?
dbdr: :no_mouth:
dbdr: I mean, who does a contest without snow?
dbdr: need the energy boost
Scarfield: let it snow let it snow
emh: I'm using resharper in visual studio on old laptop. such delay on input. resharper is slow
kovi: if the ocean freeze, it will be harder to surface
dbdr: lol
dbdr: you got the snow now kovi?
kovi: yeah
dbdr: ok, i'm not crazy
Nixerrr: Yeah I got it too now
dbdr: :relieved:
Nixerrr: Still could be a collective hallucination
dbdr: caused by too much OOC
Scarfield: feeling warm is the last stage of hypothermia
dbdr: feeling frustrated is the last stage before promotion
dbdr: hm, previous submit ended at #26.
resub same code => #12
dbdr: 12 is more consistent with my previous rank, will say the 1st one was the outlier :)
Schneewittchen: Is it just for me only or do you others also see this squishy squashy submarine thingy
eulerscheZahl: see what?
emh: stretching
Nixerrr: The enlarged smarines?
dbdr: there are display bugs with silence I think
eulerscheZahl: will be fixed soon
emh: does CGSpunk work with contest?
emh: want to get me some stderr
eulerscheZahl: it stopped working years ago
AntiSquid: it broke down completely last i checked
emh: oohhh ok
eulerscheZahl: google CG enhancer
but functionality is a little different
AntiSquid: quite laggy that one even on new pc :p
eulerscheZahl: and breaks puzzle IDEs
dbdr: eulerscheZahl you have 1K lead in general now. thanks to UTG multi?
eulerscheZahl: yes
dbdr: I also took away from the AntiSquid danger :)
eulerscheZahl: royale got points too, but some players didn't
dbdr: I missed the day when it was counted. was not today
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/profile/70b8b4135b1d037bd271ce9e0eb8bd923563913
wait, i think he got the points
just not displayed
eulerscheZahl: i gained about 500 points over royale
eulerscheZahl: and i played cultist wars recently
dbdr: not displayed? :O
eulerscheZahl: check the multiplayer points section
dbdr: yes, I mean that's strange
eulerscheZahl: but if you sum it up, he gets the points
dbdr: CG backend code seems to have a lot of corner cases
eulerscheZahl: once they managed to break the opponent selection, you could not add a player
but only for the old games without bosses (BTTC, PR2)
AntiSquid: dbdr idk ... was intending to pass you with XR, but i failed to even get legend for now :p
dbdr: AntiSquid bring it on
dbdr: https://github.com/dbdr/codingame-leaderboards/commits/master
dbdr: lol, that second commit message
AntiSquid: i need to do XR and CR now :/
dbdr: messed it up when I did it manually
dbdr: and OOC
Nixerrr: Hey where's MK? Was he banned or just inactive?
AntiSquid: self isolating from chat due to CSB memes pandemic
dbdr: :D
Nixerrr: Haha ok
Nixerrr: Not that I miss him, just curious
dbdr: Nixerrr do you think there will be lockdown soon in Hungary?
dbdr: schools still open? wtf?
Nixerrr: Schools have been closed for 2 weeks
Nixerrr: Do you really live in Budapest? :D
dbdr: ah, was reading old news
dbdr: I do, but I don't go to school
AntiSquid: they pull junior doctors one year earlier from uni to support at the hospitals
AntiSquid: in UK
Nixerrr: Yeah, more severe measures are coming soon
dbdr: and I read more international news, not hungarian ones
AntiSquid: guess you get quicker on the job xp
Nixerrr: Gotcha'
dbdr: my company decided work from home for everyone, but I think it's voluntary
dbdr: 2 weeks ago I think. clever people
AntiSquid: hey just stay positive? china is fine . they recovered
Nixerrr: My wife's company switched to remote last week
dbdr: govt needs to step up
dbdr: once the situation actually looks bad it's way too late
Nixerrr: They need to do more tests imo
AntiSquid: but tests take a long time :/
Nixerrr: There are too many death cases compared to the verified infections
Nixerrr: Numbers don't add up compared to neighboring countries
dbdr: most people won't have symptoms
AntiSquid: not every country does quick tests like US
dbdr: and you can't test everyone
dbdr: so I think distancing is the way to go
AntiSquid: there are people with 0 symptoms ...
dbdr: if you start early, it can be less extreme
Nixerrr: I listened to a good podcast by experts, they said you can start too early with the extreme measures
Nixerrr: Timing is delicate and no one really knows what's going to work in the long run
dbdr: yeah, not too extreme
Nixerrr: https://soundcloud.com/user-344313169/episode-92-the-doctors-weigh-in-on-covid-19
Nixerrr: In case anyone wants to hear more of COVID-19 :D
AntiSquid: idk
AntiSquid: i hear it every day
AntiSquid: every single day, no way around it
dbdr: probably a good idea the contest was not plagueinc :)
AntiSquid: i played it back when it was 100% free
AntiSquid: beat hard level, not sure how much it changed
AntiSquid: dbdr do you also think contest got delayed because it was basically plague inc port? :D
Illedan: Contest did not get delayed?
AntiSquid: the official one
Illedan: It's still on the contest page if you use the Arrows to navigate to the next..
dbdr: was supposed to be march
dbdr: no idea why
Nixerrr: Code4Life would be a good fit too :mask: :thermometer_face:
Illedan: :P
dbdr: Code4YourLife
AntiSquid: the one in may might not be the one meant for march ...
Nixerrr: It's the Illuminati's doing
Nixerrr: They pulled the March contest
emh: jq -r '.frames[] | .stderr' frames.json
emh: command to get stderr from JSON
dbdr: command line power :)
AntiSquid: :o
Illedan: gratz on keeping 1st emh. I see you stayed up until 2 :o
emh: Illedan thanks and yes :L)
emh: * :)
egaetan: gratz emh
emh: thx :)
emh: time to try dotTrace
AntiSquid: JBM haskell stream? :o
Lks10: haskell stream would be kinda spicy
pde-bakk: hello world
Lks10: hiya
dbdr: hi Lks10. haskell stream will continue
Lks10: its in 12 hours right??
JBM: yes it will
JBM: show must go on
Illedan: :tada:
dbdr: ruin haskell ranking => mission accomplished ;)
JBM: my pleasure
Lks10: I have a lot of respect for making a bot in haskell
JBM: why's that?
JBM: it's not harder than any other general-purpose language
dbdr: probably easier when you are fluent
dbdr: higher level
Lks10: The people at my uni disagree that haskell isn't harder than other lanuages.
AntiSquid: will it be a purely functional bot?
JBM: AntiSquid: for which meaning of purely functional?
Illedan: Game is updated now
Illedan: I love your PADDING message emh :D
JFB: Illedan - what new?
Illedan: Multiple frames for multiple actions
Message in bottom for what action was done.
Other color on sonar
Less tooltips
Illedan: A bugfix for crashing
Orange text shows
Illedan: And 300 frames for each player
JFB: Looks nice
AntiSquid: Illedan is there a new wood boss coming in? or at least resubmit? there's a bottleneck in wood,
Illedan: New boss too
Illedan: It now uses SURFACE on the first turn and every 50 turns
emh: who dares to submit?
emh: with new rules
Illedan: :scream:
Illedan: The more the merrier
Illedan: To get crashes or errors earlier
Illedan: plz
emh: Illedan thanks for padding comment :)
Illedan: And no more Wierd shaped subs :facepalm:
AntiSquid: ya the issue is i think that although wood boss is now weaker, you can't reach it if you don't beat everyone before that
egaetan: 300 frames each ?
Illedan: yeah
egaetan: 600 frames total ?
Illedan: 599
JFB: Max
Illedan: As both players uses round 1 at once
Illedan: and earlier the first player had first and last round :P
JFB: Illedan Default player == Wood Boss?
Illedan: ye
Illedan: All bosses have the same code
emh: I guess mines will be much more important with long games
Illedan: Most games ended before 200 anyway
JFB: It is possible to use in silver boss from bronse, and so on?
Illedan: haha :P
JFB: So default in each league from bos of previous on?
JFB: *boss of previous one
Illedan: Nah, for Silver and up we will pick a player
JFB: Yes, I know
AntiSquid: i think it's still same old wood boss
JFB: But it is possible to make such change ?
Illedan: Not for us
JFB: Or it is impossible because Default boss is on github?
Illedan: AntiSquid, it's the same. But uses Surface. Making it much easier to track
dbdr: nice, things happens with careful players now :)
Illedan: Default is on github yeah
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441627773
JFB: and is only one for each league and have to be?
Illedan: Default is the same in every league
Illedan: As you should rather play against a player :P
JFB: I think it will be nice to have boss of previous league in each league, but if it is diffcul ...
tutubalin: After update I don't see Pink player marks on timeline
AntiSquid: wish i promoted when boss was broken lol
dbdr: I resubbed, way fewer draws :)
Illedan: tutubalin, marks are reduced
Illedan: They spammed too much
Illedan: Now you only see when lives are lost
Illedan: Hope it is enough
emh: ok submitted. praying. hehe
dbdr: 0-0 draw with egaetan :)
tutubalin: what about having different colors for actions and life lost?
Illedan: The viewer didn't like all those tooltips. Got slow :/
Illedan: Let us know on the forum or discord if you want it back and we will see what we can do about it :)
tutubalin: then what about Options?
sometimes it's good to see actions even for the cost of some slowness
Illedan: I don't think we can opt it in :thinking:
Illedan: I'll investigate
dbdr: coordinates tooltips are still there, which is good
Illedan: Might break everything to add an option
egaetan: Illedan & emh subitting why didn't i check before submitting too
LH: I really like the changes so far. Also having a lot of fun with the contest :grinning:
735487: sorry guys but I really dislike updates for contest. for me more important was to see on a timeline when i shot then now who lost a life
Lks10: you can scroll through replay and check bottom of the screen or torpedo commands
Lks10: *for
Illedan: The best way for me to track a replay is the scroll it fast and look at the CHARGES
Illedan: amurushkin, let me know what you think on the Forum and we might add some back if people wants it
Illedan: Might be it was better
Uljahn: could be helpful to add to a tooltip a cause of why life has been lost like surface/torpedo/mine
Illedan: Easy to fix, but let us know
emh: phew
emh: still in my place
egaetan: grrr
JFB: emv - start surface every 50 mmoves as default boss ;-)
emh: JFB might be an idea to think about surfacing when there is little navigation room. but don't have a specific idea for a strategy
735487: I will try to use it more but at the moment i missed the points when i was shoot a torpedo. was helpfull to me before
Illedan: Thanks for the feedback. I'll bring it up for discussion :)
emh: ahh Bronze is getting too crowded. rush to Silver
emh: hmm.. I guess one of next steps for me would be action search. to plan multiple actions over multiple turns.. but it's a lot of restructuring and not sure how much impact it will have given that we have to wait for charges anyway
emh: a little finesse in maneuvering in torpedo fights I guess could give some advantage
Gelucu: what are you guys talking about ?
egaetan: Ocean of code
Gelucu: it already started ^_^ ... i didn't know
Gelucu: thanks
Gelucu: <3
LaFayette: Silver is open already?
emh: nope
emh: wish it was
735487: Uljahn have a good idea to show the reason why someone lost hp. like Player lost a life by (torpedo, mine, surface)
Illedan: Added it to our todo :)
emh: ok time for a shower
egaetan: open one window of your submarine
SarthakSS: hey, when should i use Boost in Coders Strike Back?
Uljahn: when you find it appropriate
Tiramon: imho it's not really important, i use it in first round to get up to speed
SarthakSS: thats what i'm asking, what could be an ideal approach?
Uljahn: at the first turn or when the distance is large enough
Tiramon: not right before a 180° turn
Uljahn: yep
Tiramon: or any bigger turn needed
Tiramon: and yes distance ist also impoortant if you are rotated to the target , but it is only 100 pixel away .. might not be the best idea
Secundus: can you shoot a torpedo at a cell next to you?
mchl12: Secundus Yes! You can even shoot a torpedo right where you currently are.
darkhorse64: Yes, you can shoot yourself
egaetan: is that really a good idea ?
Secundus: if the opponent is there, then maybe.
Illedan: Shooting yourself is very strong
Lks10: ^
Illedan: But you need to do it right.
Illedan: And that is a Legend level tactic
wlesavo: you can fake your position by shooting yourself simultaneously with your opponent action i guess
Secundus: you overthink it, im bad at this and im just trying to hit the opponent, no matter the cost. xD
Lks10: I respect that
OmidSafari: hi
OmidSafari: how ar u?
yfprojects: Hi
yfprojects: @wlesavo Dont you think that bot programmers wont fall to that trick?
wlesavo: yfprojects it could be effective against some bots, shouldn't be effective in general, but who knows
AntiSquid: you get opponent hp as input, how does shooting yourself help?
emh: Illedan looks like a good submit. what changed?
Illedan: Just added a ninja hack to use Silence for longer distances if I'm in trouble
emh: oh ok
yfprojects: @Illedan why do you think shooting yourself is sttrong?
Illedan: If the opponent shot a Torpedo or Triggered a mine and your potential positions contains those and you firing at the nearly the same location. He can't know for sure where you were. But it's very hard to perform it correctly. As all the parameters must be correct :P
egaetan: lol
yfprojects: I see. You are right, its quite powerfull.
dbdr: next meta: set things up to make your opponent shoot themselves
Illedan: xD
dbdr: basically push them to suicide
Illedan: Shot at yourself, drop a mine, use surface, Silence away.
dbdr: this is going to be fun
Illedan: Sending MSG to them to make the bot depressed? :P
dbdr: MSG Automaton2000 is better than you
Automaton2000: eulerschezahl do you have in mind?
AntiSquid: is kostyantynsuschyk in wood1 stuck ?
dbdr: AntiSquid: yes, for 2 days :/
Illedan: He needs to resubmit with the fix of the crashing bug.
dbdr: referee timeout and CG does not handle it well it seems
dbdr: CG should also fix the bug on their side
Illedan: Yeah, should rather do something with the replay :(
uop: coronavirus
MadKnight: Automaton2000nus
Automaton2000: no, i don't like the idea of a good way to learn
MadKnight: do u only accept the bad way to learn, Automaton2000nus ?
Automaton2000: i have 1 or 2 ?
MadKnight: what's your rank dbdr ?
MadKnight: did u change your avatar just for this contest dbdr ?
dbdr: #10
dbdr: yes, I often do
dbdr: will you write a bot MadKnight?
MadKnight: yea probably
dbdr: gogogo
tonowak: had anyone some luck with running the referee? I did mvn package, but the resulting jar has "no main manifest attribute". (I don't know a thing about Java)
Schneewittchen: Same problem here
Schneewittchen: You are not alone
tonowak: probably the src/test/java/Main.java isn't being included in the pom?
Schneewittchen: I think the whole gameEngine-part is missing, but I dont know if this IS requiered
Schneewittchen: Like in https://github.com/fala13/UnleashTheGeek/tree/master/src/main/java/com/codingame
tonowak: I think you are right (but with my Java knowledge, I can only guess)
wlesavo: you need to import it as marven project into eclipse
blasterpoard: imho making your own referee is worth it in a month-long contest
blasterpoard: if only to make selfplay faster
wlesavo: basically here is all you need to run it, although a custom simulation would be much more effective https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/create-a-multiplayer-game
Torist: fu
tonowak: but then, how do I make a custom simulation? I need to work with piping the input/output?
tonowak: do I have to use eclipse/intellij to setup the referee? Can I do it with the commandline (linux)?
blasterpoard: tonowak just include it in your bot
tonowak: yeah but then I have to use its function instead of stdin/stdout, right?
blasterpoard: yes, and use an #ifdef to decide whether it selfplays or takes input from stdin
tonowak: that's ugly, I'm sure there is a better way :P
dbdr: tonowak it's always possible on the command line
blasterpoard: tonowak I typically have something likethis in my bot:
blasterpoard: https://hastebin.com/rowogisaju.cpp
dbdr: Illedan allow the bots vote to decide if they want the Actions in the timeline
blasterpoard: makes it a bit less ugly
Illedan: Might be a good idea. But you might want to view the enemy commands too :thinking:
dbdr: I was kind of joking. but who knows :)
dbdr: that's why I said vote. if both agree, print both
dbdr: or if one wants it, print both
Illedan: I guess that would have to be an extra action :P
dbdr: or a special message
Illedan: Or I can check if the MSG ever contains that request
dbdr: hacking the API
Illedan: :P
tonowak: blasterpoard I see. Though, I'm still searching a way to run this official referee...
dbdr: when the API is frozen, abuse the existing one to do new things
Illedan: I'll give you a command to let you control the Linux box
Illedan: Did you add bots in the Main.java tonowak?
dbdr: :smiling_imp:
tonowak: my problem is the "no main manifest attribute"
Illedan: :shrug:
dbdr: MSG SUDO rm /tmp/Answer.java
tonowak: so probably the test/Main.java is not included through the mvn package command?
Illedan: It is part of the project
dbdr: tonowak I think you need to get the classpath and call the class you want
Illedan: src/main/test/java/main
dbdr: no expect the jar to have it
dbdr: to have the main in the manifest I mean
tonowak: I think I understand what you mean, but I'm a noob in the Java world
tonowak: what I did to this point: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/915cf464-cbac-4b04-bcda-628f9aa77e81
emh: in 174 replays I got 406 SILENCE with 1 length, 336 with 0 length, 42 with 4 length, 26 with 3 length and 24 with 2 length by opponents
emh: command:
emh: grep -v '^$' stdin/* | fgrep -v PADDING | grep -o 'SILENCE [NEWS] [0-9]' | cut -f3 -d" " | sort | uniq -c | sort -g
dbdr: tonowak right. i'm suggesting not to use java -jar
jacek: kree java!
dbdr: but java Main
Illedan: nice emh
dbdr: and you need export CLASSPATH=...
emh: and NORTH is twice as popular as the 3 other directions hehe
dbdr: tonowak https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16655010/in-maven-how-output-the-classpath-being-used
Illedan: :D
emh: although that is because people generally use N with 0
dbdr: interesting emh
dbdr: can you graph this stat over time? ;)
emh: hehe.. too much work
dbdr: I expect >1 to gorw a bit
dbdr: jk
Illedan: Same
Illedan: I think many are hardcoded now
Illedan: 1 instead of move
dbdr: :innocent:
Illedan: Boss does that ;)
Illedan: And me :D
dbdr: guilty as charged
blasterpoard: trying to figure out the other bots is useless until gold
dbdr: but fun
Illedan: Meh, still want to have fun now
sanfarans: how exactly is the score calculated?
sanfarans: I mean leaderboards
blasterpoard: sanfarans a questionable version of TrueSkill
dbdr: what do you question about it?
blasterpoard: games only being triggered by submits, mostly
sanfarans: blasterpoard thanks!
dbdr: right. that's mitigated contests because of the rerun
blasterpoard: it can still inflate a boss's rating quite a bit
dbdr: yeah. boss don't matter in legend :)
dbdr: on the other hand players have the advantage of variance
dbdr: it's enough to be above the boss at one point in time
dbdr: so it's good that boss is inflated, or too many people would get in by sheer luck
blasterpoard: I just hope that bosses will be strong, because I don't want a huge gold/legend a couple of days after it opens
Illedan: Most people stuck in Wood anyhow :D
blasterpoard: including me :)
Illedan: I guess you have a monster anytime soon
ZarthaxX: did you make hard wood bosses illo?
wlesavo: wood 1 is easy though
AntiSquid: only noobs in wood
blasterpoard: not soon xD
blasterpoard: eventually
dbdr: track for strong bosses has been good so far in OOC
wlesavo: Illedan do you simulate your opponent tracking you?
Illedan: Ofc
sanfarans: how many turns can there be in a single game?
blasterpoard: rn I'm trying to find a good way to evaluate how much information an action gives to the other player...
wlesavo: also Illedan, how draws are decided?
Illedan: If both players end the game with an equal amount of life
Tiramon: not sure if max turns are implemented
Illedan: 599 sanfarans
Tiramon: Have more lifes than your enemy after 200 frames.
wlesavo: Illedan so you trigger gameManager.draw?
emh: Illedan what do you do with informatiom about how enemy tracks you? I don't even track that
Tiramon: it is implemented
Illedan: But there can be more frames as we add frames
emh: do you silence or escape?
Illedan: I use it to know when to silence
emh: ah ok
sanfarans: how is a frame defined? whats the diffrence between turn and frame?
Illedan: Or how to much to reduce information given
Illedan: *how to move
blasterpoard: is it worth to silence after placing a mine at the start of the game?
Illedan: Depends..
blasterpoard: because idk what might be more worth it in the early game than a mine that can't be easily located
Illedan: We'll see when I start tracking mines
Schneewittchen: Its basically the same if you silence and place a mine or move and place a mine. You can delete the paths later and come up with the "real" positions of the mines
**MSmits cries
Schneewittchen: *if your opponent
MSmits: I want a boss that doesn't silence.
MSmits: to test code against
MSmits: wood bosses got nerfed, but I never even got the chance to fight boss of wood 1 :(
Lks10: nagrarok doesn't silence
ZarthaxX: they got nerfed?
Illedan: Slightly
MSmits: an update just happened
ZarthaxX: oh sad
MSmits: silence is a pretty difficult ability to test your tracking against
MSmits: I want to make sure other stuff is working first
MSmits: anyone have a reasonably good bot that doesnt silence?
barbora: try default AI
MSmits: it silences doesnt it?
ZarthaxX: use your own bot MSmits
Lks10: Nagrarok is in 20th place and he doesn't use silence MSmits
barbora: not very often
barbora: at least in the games I tried
MSmits: I guess I could change my own bot to be more useful for testing
MSmits: or use nagraro
cegprakash: how are you all
MSmits: +k
MSmits: thanks
cegprakash: ijust logged in to check if ppl are active during quarantine
ZarthaxX: there is a contest cegprakash
cegprakash: just saw.. Ocean of Code right?
ZarthaxX: 7ye
ZarthaxX: 1 month
cegprakash: how is it? fun? am I too late?
ZarthaxX: no
ZarthaxX: you got 27 days left
ZarthaxX: it's cool
cegprakash: okay I'll start tonight :)
AntiSquid: don't like it, but want the CP
cegprakash: good to spend the lockdown on CG
MSmits: we dont have a real lockdown here
AntiSquid: you have a purge instead
MSmits: we are just *suggested* to keep distance and schools and bars closed
AntiSquid: AutomatonNN taking part in the purge
AutomatonNN: tbf
MSmits: I would prefer they keep it that way and instead of a lockdown, mortar shell the beaches to remove the disease vectors
Lks10: spicy
ZarthaxX: lockdown here
MSmits: I have a tiny house and no fitness equipment, I need walks
AntiSquid: do squats
AntiSquid: leg stretching etc
MSmits: also chronic knee issues
MSmits: i'm just really annoyed that a lockdown may happen just because of dumbasses
MSmits: if everyone lived like me, there wouldn't even be a corona virus :P
Lks10: at the very least we can poop for another 10 years
AntiSquid: got a 3rd phantom foot and feel pain in it?
MSmits: not that one AntiSquid
AntiSquid: hm this was supposed to be an improvement @_@ i blame your phantom limb for distracting
MSmits: :confused:
AntiSquid: it's ok MSmits i have an extra phantom head
Tiramon: i know what you mean MSmits, happy we got by now only a 'no contact rule' or however it would be called in english and afaik it at least reduced the people outside
MSmits: but not enough
MSmits: we need :rocket: :beach:
Tiramon: more than i expected ;)
AntiSquid: silence changes everything @_@
MSmits: yeah
AntiSquid: and my messy code doesn't help in that regard
AntiSquid: but still figuring shit out
MSmits: still no toilet paper?
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: not that one .
AntiSquid: excuse my vocabulary
ZarthaxX: lol you missed squido comment on toilet paper testerday
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
MSmits: what'd he say
AntiSquid: even i forgot what i said
MSmits: maybe it's in your phantom head
AntiSquid: don't make stuff up ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d75da650-cfc9-464b-be48-81d342b2d4ef
ZarthaxX: sure :)
AntiSquid: true though
MSmits: ah that defeats the purpose you know. You're supposed to clean your behind
MSmits: Good warning AntiSquid
AntiSquid: damn silence gives me headaches , how do i track it Q_Q
ZarthaxX: he also said this line, which si genius
ZarthaxX:
AntiSquid 11:59AM
ya
hard to flush that amount of nonsense down the toilet
cegprakash: MSmits the only physical activity I do is football and that's ruined now
AntiSquid: push ups
cegprakash: MSmits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcDhCFXs-4Q
MSmits: very informative cegprakash
ZarthaxX: what a god lol
AntiSquid: use latex gloves for the "cleaning" hand
ZarthaxX: Illedan does wood2 boss track enemy?
cegprakash: that's what we do in India normally :D ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: for real??'
ZarthaxX: do you have that bath too?
ZarthaxX: bathroom
AntiSquid: all bosses track enemy
ZarthaxX: confirmed?
cegprakash: yes no one uses tissues at toilet apart from the 0.01% population
AntiSquid: they aren't easy bosses
ZarthaxX: oh
cegprakash: we use tissues in the offices to clean tables though
ZarthaxX: is it coz toilet paper costs a lot there or to save the planet
AntiSquid: uhm . ok
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid are you kidding or for real?
AntiSquid: for real lol
ZarthaxX: aight
AntiSquid: why do you think there are so many in wood
AntiSquid: lol
ZarthaxX: we joke a lot, cant believe you easily :P
ZarthaxX: yeah now makes sense
AntiSquid: that boss tracks you down and wrecks the crap out of you @_@
ZarthaxX: yeah i noticed lmao
Uljahn: also shoots itself
AntiSquid: got to bronze but going further means more pain
Uljahn: gj squiddo
ZarthaxX: shoots himself? lol
AntiSquid: to make it easier
AntiSquid: also surfaces first turn
AntiSquid: so you can track it easier
AntiSquid: but the tracking bit is the hardest
ZarthaxX: i see
Uljahn: you can make harder for him to track you by staying away from islands and map borders
MSmits: I beat him just by tracking him well and shooting torpedo's whenever I can
Uljahn: i still need to implement shoot+move vs move+shoot choice
MSmits: me too
AntiSquid: i forgot about that order complicating things
wlesavo: well in wood that order does not mattered much
MSmits: true
MSmits: just write some tracking code that takes into account islands and map borders and shoot at a random cell the boss might be at
MSmits: thats all i did
MSmits: skipped wood 1 with that code as well
AntiSquid: i am in bronze though
egaetan: ooops emh
Illedan: -.-
wlesavo: MSmits same
egaetan: :D
Illedan: Oh, pb4 has joined too :)
pb4: damn game is hard -_-
pb4: Not the kind I'm any good at
MSmits: pb4 do it like me. Focus less on beating the opponent, but try to write a first class tracking program
MSmits: enjoy the coding challenge instead
sanfarans: how to import someone to my testing screen?
JBM: pay him the big $$$
pb4: "pb4 do it like me. Focus less on beating the opponent, but try to write a first class tracking program"
pb4: exactly my approach :)
ZarthaxX: MSmits you said first class becuase the indian guy said that lol
JBM: that's always my aproach
pb4: problem is, you need to get to bronze to test that program :o)
JBM: that's why i seldom complete contests
eulerscheZahl: :wave:
sanfarans: I mean it's possible to import people from last battles screen, but not from leaderboards
ZarthaxX: hi toad
sanfarans: and I do not have people I want to import in my last battles
Insta-x: what is the highest league available now in ocean of code?
eulerscheZahl: bronze
sanfarans: bronze
Insta-x: ok thx
egaetan: Schneewittchen please dont feed Illedan
eulerscheZahl: see https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/leaderboard
Insta-x: thx
Insta-x: i just got to bronze lol
Insta-x: any tips?
MSmits: ZarthaxX well spotted
eulerscheZahl: use mines
MSmits: very bery well
tonowak: sanfarans you can delete a player and add another in the IDE
Insta-x: owh yeah, we got mines, thx
tonowak: nope, don't use mines
AntiSquid: aha, another dirty MSmits joke
sanfarans: tonowak thanks, pretty epic
735487: how you guys select the best initial placement?
tonowak: random
eulerscheZahl: here's a test map for selection: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441502486
MSmits: AntiSquid there's no such thing, my jokes are very bery clean, first class experience
eulerscheZahl: i don't see a clear right spot, but some wrong places
tonowak: oh god... that can happen?
Schneewittchen: @egaetan i would try to :D
egaetan: :D danke
j0: is there anybody who is using c++
AntiSquid: no
tonowak: j0 check the detailed leaderboard
Schneewittchen: Blitzkrieg!
AntiSquid: nobody ever uses that
Insta-x: i know some c++
AntiSquid: VBA is where it's at
Insta-x: but i use python for this contest
j0: how do you search a pair in a vector
AntiSquid: huh
j0: not u
Insta-x: binser?
j0: it uses int only
Insta-x: i never used pair in c++
j0: so what
tonowak: j0 just a for loop
735487: eulerscheZahl: so and what the best place there?
j0: txs tonowak
eulerscheZahl: eulerscheZahl 04:02PM
i don't see a clear right spot, but some wrong places
AntiSquid: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c7434066-acec-4966-87a9-34073402564f
Lieven_Luyckx: whre can I find puzzles i previously completed?
Lieven_Luyckx: where*
735487: so it is ok if mine choose better then wrong places ))
Insta-x: just want to ask, is MOVE | TORPEDO different with TORPEDO | MOVE?
735487: yes
eulerscheZahl: go to the main page Lieven_Luyckx
clieck your user level at the left
Insta-x: ok thx
MindControler: Insta-x u shoot first then move, u move than shoot
Skril: Hello :-) There might be a bug with mine damage (or maybe I misunderstood the rules ;-))
Insta-x: ok thx
MindControler: Ur range changes
Skril: It seems subs are hurt when moving next to a mine, after mine trigger (but on the same round)
Insta-x: so if we move first, we can shoot further?
Skril: e.g. https://www.codingame.com/replay/441696000 on frame 234
struct: you seem right
MindControler: That seems like glitch
eulerscheZahl: interesting replay Skril
kingofnumbers: are the organizers allowed to participate? :D
eulerscheZahl: yes
struct: yes
MindControler: It shouldnt work like that, right?
kingofnumbers: is it the same for all future games too?
eulerscheZahl: looks like a bug to me Skril, investigating
Uljahn: are you going to create one?
Skril: thanks :-)
eulerscheZahl: kingofnumbers usually creators can't compete
but Illedan and me started 2 days before the official release. no real advantage.
Illedan: Thx Skril
darkhorse64: I have seen replays where the opponent does a single SILENCE direction 0, which results in a no move and not dying. Can we SILENCE also through blocked squares ?
Insta-x: we cant silence through island or our path. at least that is what written on the official rule of captain sonar
struct: no darkhorse64
Insta-x: the real game i meant
struct: you cant go over squares that were visited before
struct: even with silence
AntiSquid: i thought silent submarines can walk on land
darkhorse64: Only those that have legs
darkhorse64: I know that since I was a child
eulerscheZahl: poll on tooltips for the contest: https://strawpoll.com/47cd8f4a
struct: #fr
JBM: Password:
Scarfield: guest
JBM: oh nice it only displays *****
JBM: i didn't know xmpp could do that
Scarfield: of course, since its my "real" password :p
dbdr: ujfdklt
dbdr: does it work for my password too?
JBM: depends
JBM: was your password *******?
dbdr: no! so it works!
eulerscheZahl: caution, dbdr saves chat history now
Scarfield: not my password, but an Archer reference though
dbdr: Automaton2000 saves it too
JBM: it's only saved as **** as well! what a great feature!
Automaton2000: that's the referee bug: https://github.com/codingamecommunity/ocean-of-code/commit/562ee7ab052c5c9686ffe2ab6cce181a063da936
dbdr: :D
struct: good Automaton2000
Schneewittchen: :D
Automaton2000: do we have to go through the whole tree
eulerscheZahl: :D
Schneewittchen: what
Tiramon: ok testcases for normal movement - done
testcase for silence - tbd
eulerscheZahl: you said something about graphics iirc
MindControler: U want to make at least not random placement, because this can happen https://www.codingame.com/replay/441714633
Scarfield: also this:
https://www.codingame.com/replay/441064310
MindControler: Wow
Insta-x: why the ai surface at the start of the game? is it a good strategy?
struct: its just to help you
struct: to give you a better chance to win
MindControler: He cant move
Insta-x: oo i see
Scarfield: no, it gives away its position sector
MindControler: Oh ai
Insta-x: no he can move, he surface at the first turn
MindControler: Is just stupid
MindControler: Its almost random
Insta-x: is it just me or the ai in the bronze could track too?
Tiramon: MindControler being locked between ilands can only result in draw or win ... can be worse
Scarfield: sure the wood bosses where tough, but they got nerfed sometime today
eulerscheZahl: the bosses and default AI are tracking you Insta-x
Insta-x: oo, ok
eulerscheZahl: nerf = they surface every 50 turns now
Scarfield: the default AI also shoots itself, i havent seen that as much before today? maybe just a lucky match
eulerscheZahl: always happened
Insta-x: is there a complete list of the nerf?
eulerscheZahl: i was aware of that before the contest start but decided to keep it
Scarfield: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441714280
eulerscheZahl: the bosses aren't public, so there is no list. but it's only the surface every 50 turns
Insta-x: ok thx
eulerscheZahl: apart from that the boss is unchanged
Scarfield: i didnt even get to shoot at him :p
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/tyUswJR
i hate it when this happens
Scarfield: havent seen that before
eulerscheZahl: hm, maybe if i turn off the hardware acceleration? :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: i have that quite often
Illedan: Never seen that :/
eulerscheZahl: not limited to the current contest for me
eulerscheZahl: btw we have a close race on the tooltips but a winner https://strawpoll.com/47cd8f4a/r
eulerscheZahl: Life reduced and actions (without MOVE)
PatrickMcGinnisII: give me updates on the COV-19 from your country, my peeps here locally are VERY curious
Tiramon: hm silence works as planed ... why does my bot not track my enemy correctly ...
tonowak: https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code/search?q=System.err&type=
that's ugly :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: is mcdonalds closing in uk?
Astrobytes: yep
Astrobytes: All non-essential businesses/shops are set to close
eulerscheZahl: oh, the UK is taking actions now?
Astrobytes: I believe we'll be under full lockdown in a few days, since nobody takes the social distancing enough seriously
Astrobytes: *well, a lot of people
Insta-x: In Indonesia, we students were told to stay and study at home
PatrickMcGinnisII: Next county over (Orlando,Fl.) is under curfew ... National Guard is positioning for fulll lockdown
Insta-x: so.. Online schools
Scarfield: In DK the police gives fines of about 200Eur if they catch people gathering in crowds
AntiSquid: UK it's 1000 for those who show symptoms and don't self isolate
AntiSquid: well with the exception of shopping apparently
Insta-x: is there any penalty if we submit the code too many times?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Insta-x just schools?
AntiSquid: yes there is Insta-x
AntiSquid: you have to fill out a captcha at some point
AntiSquid: and it gets more and more irritating
Insta-x: i dont rlly know, but i think the offices are still open. so workers still go to work
AntiSquid: and the number of images you need to identify keeps increasing
Insta-x: ok, so how many is to many?
AntiSquid: so just take a few short breaks inbetween to avoid the annoyance
AntiSquid: idk, i forgot
AntiSquid: but i tend to sometimes keep spamming submits
Insta-x: so the penalty is only the captcha?
AntiSquid: but that's about it, you're just forced to do captcha
Insta-x: ok thx, good info haha
AntiSquid: not a laughing matter, it's punishing enough ... very distracting too
Insta-x: cuz i want to submit and im afraid i have submitted too many times today
AntiSquid: just pace your submits
Insta-x: hmm, yeah, sometimes captcha is annoying
Insta-x: ok thx
AntiSquid: don't make too many consecutive ones and you should be fine
AntiSquid: for example if you keep submitting while it's incomplete, at < 100% then you are very likely to get it
Insta-x: ok
Tiramon: eulerscheZahl is it on purpose that islands can seperate 2 players so they can't reach each other?
Tiramon: it can only result in a draw/suicide
Insta-x: if islands can seperate 2 players, then the one with more open spaces win
Illedan: Yeah
Insta-x: ii think
struct: Is it possible to happen though?
struct: I mean spliting map in big regions
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441502486
eulerscheZahl: not 50-50
eulerscheZahl: at least i haven't seen it yet
eulerscheZahl: in theory it might even be possible
jrke: have anybody done ocean of complete
Waffle3z: 2,546 CodinGamers have registered to this contest
eulerscheZahl: but only 600 something playing
Waffle3z: and only 100 something beat the boss
jrke: nice stats
eulerscheZahl: silver will be tiny that way
Nixerrr: When does silver open?
sanfarans: 3/27
Nixerrr: :ok_hand:
sanfarans: to access that info just click at the league name at the top of the creen
sanfarans: screen*
Nixerrr: Ah ok, thanks
shutwe: anybody playing code and magic?
eulerscheZahl: not yet, we have a new marathon
Nixerrr: I feel like an old dude. Had to google "to nerf"
wlesavo: so how old are you?
eulerscheZahl: i learned that word on CG too
eulerscheZahl: at botg i think
Nixerrr: Ok I feel a little better now
Nixerrr: wlesavo not as old as elderlybeginner but probably older than most peeps here
Astrobytes: :older_man:
Nixerrr: Except for Astrobytes he's old too
Nixerrr: :D
Astrobytes: :D
emh: ohhhhh so that's how it is. I take a short nap and I'm 4th now??? gz egaetan Illedan ValGrowth
emh: I for one welcome our new submarine overlords
Scarfield: more like underlords :)
emh: hehe yes
egaetan: Welcome back emh
emh: thank you
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441746640 frame 23->24 , how the hell did he move like that? 4 W and 1 N LOL
AntiSquid: ah nvm
AntiSquid: i see now
AntiSquid: geez
Illedan: Bug in the viewer. Will be fixed in the next update, which is pending.
AntiSquid: the branching factor is ridiculous
egaetan: ridiculous low or high ?
dror1212: can you move and silence move on the same turn?
AntiSquid: high with silence
yfprojects: Its lower than times 13
AntiSquid: yes you can dror1212
yfprojects: and it has a limit
AntiSquid: i don't get your point, are you trying to argue something regarding the branching factor?
AntiSquid: yfprojects
yfprojects: i am just asking if thats too high for you, if we have th same basis
AntiSquid: what basis do you have? for what?
yfprojects: basis of information
yfprojects: or do you say that different in English?
AntiSquid: alright, i don't understand what you are on about, so i'll just leave it be
yfprojects: yeah, lets leave it be.
AntiSquid: let it be * , my bad Q_Q
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441750279
frame 192, why does schnee lose a point?
dbdr: her move west is after the trigger
yfprojects: thats a bug
yfprojects: It was already mentioned several times.
dbdr: yes? sorry, did not hear about it
yfprojects: and it will be fixed soon
dbdr: found after this morning updates I suppose
yfprojects: I am not sure. eulerscheZahl said it is connected to the prototype
AntiSquid: ya dbdr it was already mentioned wtf
dbdr: AntiSquid kick??
AntiSquid: ya looks like a troll to m
dbdr: why??
dbdr: last messages look completely serious
AntiSquid: look at the chat lol
AntiSquid: ya apart from that
struct: who got kicked?
Nixerrr: anti thinks yf is trolling
struct: I dont see any trolling
Illedan: dbdr, that bug is fixed here:
https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8392839245e18c46e2dac324152a05070dcc91
Illedan: Sorry for the inconvenience
dbdr: oh, cool
dbdr: did not see a fix on github
Illedan: We have a private one
dbdr: np, bugs happen
dbdr: you expect it updated tomorrow?
ZarthaxX: we wasnt trolling lol
Illedan: I'm hoping they can fix now. But I'm not in charge :(
ZarthaxX: he*
Nixerrr: Freudian slip ZarthaxX?
dbdr: yeah, would be nice
ZarthaxX: hi nixo
ZarthaxX: freudian wat?
dbdr: underwear
Nixerrr: :smile_cat:
ZarthaxX: why is taht question
dbdr: gonna get kicked too :no_mouth:
ZarthaxX: frist thing you say to me si taht
ZarthaxX: someone ban this dude
dbdr: :innocent:
Nixerrr: When is ZarthaxX gonna be made mod?
Astrobytes: lol that was funny dbdr
Nixerrr: It's due
ZarthaxX: lol
Astrobytes: Zaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarthington
ZarthaxX: LMAO
ZarthaxX: hi astro
Astrobytes: how are ya
ZarthaxX: gud , locked in house, you?
Astrobytes: Yeah same
ZarthaxX: your queen may have covid
dbdr: Illedan by the way, there is a small display bug: life points get removed early sometimes, is it known?
Astrobytes: Good, I'm a republican
ZarthaxX: lol
Astrobytes: (not in the USA way)
ZarthaxX: it's scary how it gets to those places
Astrobytes: What places? The Queen's lungs? :D
ZarthaxX: LOL
ZarthaxX: no but yes
Nixerrr: She meets a lot of peeps
dbdr: there was a story about the queen's underwear
Astrobytes: My mum got sick yesterday, worse than me
ZarthaxX: yeah but this shows how everyone is connected to the other through moving etc
dbdr: you will think I'm obssessed :D
struct: :(
ZarthaxX: dbdr you like the queen i see
Astrobytes: FFS dbdr :D
ZarthaxX: a bit old for ya
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes does she have corona?
ZarthaxX: or did you have
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX Donno, nobody is testing unless you're in hospital. And yeah, well we've both had all symptoms
AntiSquid: ok ZarthaxX, sorry, thought you and your alt were trolling
Astrobytes: Self-isolating for almost 2 weeks now for me
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes problems with breathing=?
ZarthaxX: fuck man, hope you and your mom go over it
ZarthaxX: besides if it is or nto covid
Astrobytes: My mum more so than me ZarthaxX, I think I'm recovering
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid i have many alts, that wasnt one :)
ZarthaxX: fuck :(
ZarthaxX: gotta hate thsoe chinese
reCurse: ...
emh: ah deep sea crustaceans for supper. fished by my father. not from sub. but seems fitting :)
reCurse: Don't be bigoted
Astrobytes: And I had to get an old schoolfriend (who I haven't seen for 20 years) to drop some food into my Grandad, since we have nobody to feed him now
Astrobytes: Yeah ZarthaxX, fix your racism
Illedan: Yeah, I know dbdr. The UI and the game logic was mixed together and I regret not fixing that at once when I got the code :P
So some UI changes happens at once on your turn and then the move sequentially
ZarthaxX: i said that just because it started there
ZarthaxX: dont hate them really
ZarthaxX: sorry reCurse
dbdr: Illedan yeah, that's it
AntiSquid: a lot of innocent chinese died and it fucked up their economy too
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes that's a shitty situation :(
ZarthaxX: yeah well it's a hate against their government
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX, yeah, I'm not the only person in this kind of situation sadly
ZarthaxX: i have my grandma with us, we have to be cautious
ZarthaxX: annoying to clean everything without knowing where that virus is
MSmits: hmm there's a lot to hate about the Chinese government, but the way they handled this crisis actually reduced the problem
ZarthaxX: not in the start
AntiSquid: a doctor had to die, or was it two?
MSmits: of course there's also the million people in concentration camps and women being sterilized to perform genocide. I'd worry about that first
ZarthaxX: the first doctor that knew about the virus died
eulerscheZahl: story for conspiracy theories
you start
MSmits: if you're referring to what I just said, it's not a conspiracy theory
MSmits: quite well documented
Nixerrr: I thin
eulerscheZahl: not what i meant
Astrobytes: Yes MSmits, I fully agree
Nixerrr: *I think he said that Zart
MSmits: ah ok
ZarthaxX: that appeared somewhere
ZarthaxX: it's not a big conspiracy theory jsut a death lol
eulerscheZahl: but i'm sure you can write a conspiracy theory around it
MSmits: whats weird is that this doctor died when it's super rare for people to die at that age
ZarthaxX: ok forget it lol
MSmits: from corona that is
MSmits: our youngest is now 55 I think
ZarthaxX: there are cases of young ppl dying..
MSmits: not here yet
struct: soon china reads this chat and takes CG down and no contest for anyone
ZarthaxX: lol
MSmits: they can do it if they want to
ZarthaxX: ok back to contest
ZarthaxX: forget covid
ZarthaxX: we are safe here
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl where is the contest pic from?
struct: paint
ZarthaxX: :I
eulerscheZahl: shutterstock
eulerscheZahl: https://www.shutterstock.com/fr/image-illustration/fantastic-pirate-submarine-underwater-environment-digital-486101275
ZarthaxX: nice
struct: wrong one maybe
struct: https://www.shutterstock.com/fr/image-illustration/fantastic-submarine-sea-concept-art-114289174
MSmits: struct has the right one
ZarthaxX: yeah it was below the other one
eulerscheZahl: right, linked the wrong image
eulerscheZahl: https://www.shutterstock.com/fr/image-vector/submarine-woman-captain-battle-alert-pop-1416782867
that was also a candidate
reCurse: You picked the right one
eulerscheZahl: not my choice but i totally agree
Astrobytes: That one would have infuriated Maddy and Squid, and probably caused a Discord flame war, and potentially a blog article from Thibaud :P
MSmits: why?
reCurse: Hmm
reCurse: Is it too late to change my opinion now
reCurse: Can't say no to free entertainment
Astrobytes: :D
struct: feminism MSmits
eulerscheZahl: only if inoryy joins the fight
MSmits: why is it feminisn if the sailors hired a stripper for the sub
MSmits: also, why is it feminism if the captain is a girl
MSmits: shoulda led with that
reCurse: Oh maybe we can still get a trainwreck :popcorn:
MSmits: lol
AntiSquid: what do you mean Astrobytes
MSmits: :train:
Astrobytes: lol eulerscheZahl
AntiSquid: i don't see why i'd get angry at that picture
MSmits: maybe think about it a little longer. Don't dismiss it just yet AntiSquid
AntiSquid: kinda prefer that one actually, but maybe others wouldn't like it
Astrobytes: :D
AntiSquid: but i like that one better MSmits @_@
MSmits: yeah i dont mind either way
MSmits: is it like 60s style?
MSmits: looks pretty old style
AntiSquid: i also don't see the relation to feminism in that one
reCurse: There's always a relation
reCurse: You just don't try hard enough
AntiSquid: and i mean the extremist ones at least
Nixerrr: I could find multiple angles
MSmits: feminism is poorly defined these days
reCurse: You can start with buzzwords like objectification and patriarchy, the rest should write itself
AntiSquid: nah i think feminists would hate that pic since it looks like what they suspect to be a "stereotypical woman"
reCurse: There you go
MSmits: whats a stereotypical woman anyway
reCurse: I knew you could do it
AntiSquid: one that doesn't make men look the other way MSmits
MSmits: which way were they looking before?
Waffle3z: stereotypical looking women can't operate parascopes?
PatrickMcGinnisII: "The Hunt for good Man meat"
Nixerrr: parascope? :O
reCurse: It's something to stay hidden from scopes
Waffle3z: periscope
reCurse: Learn english
AntiSquid: alright, how about the cover gets changed to that and then we get an opinion poll from some feminism elite members?
Nixerrr: beyond scope
reCurse: Change the cover to that, post a link to it and wondev woman to jezebel and we're guaranteed to hit 10k participants
emh: lexical scope, lexi belle scope
Astrobytes: lol, nice to kick the wasp nest once in a while :P
reCurse: They will provide the explanations
Astrobytes: lol reCurse
Astrobytes: thanks emh, had to google what a "lexi belle" was... least I wasn't at work :P
emh: hehe :)
emh: my sub is nsfw. not safe for water
eulerscheZahl: i remember that NSFW CSB version
eulerscheZahl: you can't unsee it
emh: hehe nice
Nixerrr: Huh? I knew everythin had a porn version, but even CSB?
Astrobytes: lol forgot about that
emh: Nixerrr http://emh.lart.no/publish/csb/NSFW/csb.html
Astrobytes: oh lol, it's still erm... 'up'
AntiSquid: dude . don't post it here
ZarthaxX: wtf.
Nixerrr: Oh my
dbdr: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eyebleach/
emh: AntiSquid oh sorry
Astrobytes: Don't even have to click it. As euler says, it cannot be unseen
struct: omfg
struct: he pasted it
struct: AutomatonNN clear chat
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see the replay of my bot as often as enemy and movement stay and the
Nixerrr: The Captain America shields are a nice touch
AntiSquid: kick him AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: "I always have to improve my bot" https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/390866883
struct: that replay doesnt work
Tiramon: yay tracking now works incl. silence
eulerscheZahl: that bot just pinged me again :/
eulerscheZahl: better don't look up what you just missed Tiramon
Tiramon: ... ok ...
eulerscheZahl: congrats on your tracking
AntiSquid: ya congrats
Tiramon: next step using my torpedos to reduce possibilities even further
AntiSquid: didn't add enemy torpedoes yet into the prediction
Tiramon: i can handle enemy move, torpedo, surface and silence now
Tiramon: and fire my torpedo when i exactly know his location and he is in range
AntiSquid: oh i have life change and torpedoes separated
AntiSquid: tiramon did you submit yet?
eulerscheZahl: try shooting when the opponent possibly is in range and then deduct if he was
AntiSquid: ya ^
Tiramon: just now submited with working tracking
AntiSquid: fully working tracking? :o
Tiramon: that's the next step eulerscheZahl, but i don't wan't to shot to early because it will also show where i am
eulerscheZahl: test vs pb without shooting and sonar
eulerscheZahl: i fail the pb test :D
Tiramon: why pb?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441768533
dror1212: Tiramon you can see it in two ways, what if you do hit? you will know as well where the enemy is +-
eulerscheZahl: state count exploding
kovi: :)
Tiramon: if there are to many possible locations i have a very low chance of hitting him
AntiSquid: pb's bot is bugged
Tiramon: and i can only reduce the amount by 9 locations
struct: I dont think is bugged
struct: I think its intended
AntiSquid: no it's bugged
AntiSquid: and wasn't talking about what you were referring to
egaetan: Schneewittchen ++
Schneewittchen: ;)
Schneewittchen: Mines incoming
AntiSquid: a win vs egaetan in the IDE, gonna celebrate
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 bring out the firework
Automaton2000: may i see your point
AntiSquid: there is none
Tiramon: sur ei should test with pb? he just crashed in a island in my game
eulerscheZahl: try my seed
Astrobytes: ewww that's a bit forward euler
Astrobytes: :P
eulerscheZahl: game just got an update
AntiSquid: what sort of update?
Tiramon: oh is that the big amount of path you were talking about?
eulerscheZahl: yes, i'm timing out with my tracking
Tiramon: have to disable my state serializer for this game ;)
AntiSquid: #19 and timing out, idk doing very well for someone who times out
egaetan: Schneewittchen mine detection or just putting eveywhere ?
eulerscheZahl: no, i disabled sonar and stuff in that match
Tiramon: Enemy Path 5743 .. ok i know what you were talking about ;)
eulerscheZahl: which drastically reduces the size
eulerscheZahl: i die at frame 72
eulerscheZahl: and you?
Tiramon: i timeout in 76
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Schneewittchen: @egaetan Just putting everywhere :D
dbdr: eulerscheZahl the update was right now, with the action order fix?
pb4: 76 isn't bad :)
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441772456
AntiSquid: i win
Tiramon: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441772392
pb4: AntiSquid : with tracking ?
Tiramon: ok so this is the seed and bot to improve performance? ;)
AntiSquid: yes
mchl12: dbdr, are you saying that the mines are fixed?
pb4: In how many places can I be in the end ? with how many different paths ?
dbdr: I'm asking
AntiSquid: 4
mchl12: ah, I see
pb4: 4 places where I can be ?
AntiSquid: yes
pb4: I have a different count :/
pb4: 60 here
AntiSquid: i might still have plenty bugs, but 100% 60 would be too high once i fix them
Tiramon: oh found another peek in that replay Enemy Path 9790
eulerscheZahl:
dbdr 08:57PM
eulerscheZahl the update was right now, with the action order fix?
yes
ygricks: how to use sonar ? wood 2, I still don't understand how to find the eneny
dbdr: great, thanks!
eulerscheZahl: and reload UI changed for colorblind users
dbdr: let's see...
eulerscheZahl: and credit to illedan
eulerscheZahl: how broke it before :imp:
ZarthaxX: ygricks no sonar in wood2
dbdr: thanks Illedan!
ZarthaxX: it's in wood1
eulerscheZahl: who*
dbdr: :D
eulerscheZahl: those who work much cause many bugs
eulerscheZahl: i don't make bugs
PatrickMcGinnisII: ygricks enemy move history is a good indication, second is detecting direct and indirect hits, then maybe surface sector, then maybe enemy torped in his range (or did he?)
Astrobytes: "reload UI changed for colorblind users" - thank you very much!
mchl12: Thanks for the update, although I can no longer blame the game for losing a match.
Tiramon: so one of pb's silence multiplies the amount of possible path by around 10 .. so the frame i timeout it would result in around 50k possible path ... omg
ygricks: thanks, at start I thought it will be easier, big thanks
Tiramon: damn 928 possible path for 15 end locations ...
dbdr: hello silence my old friend
eulerscheZahl: it's darkness, quote your dexter right
dbdr: dexter?
kovi: this a sound of darkness
dbdr: it's simon and garfunkel
AntiSquid: i just wonder why i don't time out from the sheer amount of for loops
dbdr: what is dexter?
Astrobytes: Cartoon dbdr
AntiSquid: dexter from breaking bad?
Astrobytes: Oh wait, the serial killer Dexter?
Astrobytes: I only know it from S & G
Tiramon: hm i could reduce the amount of path on surface ... which would be an improvment ... but pb doesn't surface before i timeout ;)
Waffle3z: what's the pb test? did I pass? https://www.codingame.com/replay/441776500
AntiSquid: hax
eulerscheZahl: you failed to start the test
eulerscheZahl: seed=2159784252580095740
Waffle3z: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441776849
Tiramon: still failed to start
AntiSquid: use the "magic" seed
Zenoscave: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441777020
Zenoscave: did I pass?
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: but i win in 87 ! :p
eulerscheZahl: you probably failed, if the output is the possible states
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441777332
dbdr: 87 as well
Zenoscave: What is this test
AntiSquid: idk
struct: the test is to see possible states
AntiSquid: some euler test
eulerscheZahl: high branching
struct: to calculate
struct: not just play the code
AntiSquid: you need to take the test to get euler stamp of approval
dbdr: 200 players in bronze
eulerscheZahl: so few
Waffle3z: currently failing the egaetan test
dbdr: quality not quantity
kovi: 201 soon
eulerscheZahl: you?
AntiSquid: barely 700 joined
kovi: it seems
eulerscheZahl: it's your 1st contest Waffle3z :o
AntiSquid: what's the egaetan test?
eulerscheZahl: were you a member already at utg?
Waffle3z: no
Waffle3z: somebody showed me clash of code and I beat it and there was never a contest since
eulerscheZahl: do you like it so far?
kovi: almost flowless run
Zenoscave: Do you pass if you get it in 87 ? I don't get this test
eulerscheZahl: not just the game, the community + crowded chat and all
kovi: flawless
AntiSquid: zeno it's about winning without timing out from predicting the opponent's possible locations
AntiSquid: that's all
AntiSquid: was just randomly bragging with the 87, ignore it
Waffle3z: yeah I was doing bot stuff and adventofcode before I found this
Zenoscave: ohhhhh ok
Waffle3z: this contest is hard, I wonder how small further leagues are going to be since it feels like it already slowed down
struct: euler run test against him on this seed
struct: seed=6419651854651190300
tonowak: I really like the idea of this pb test :P
tonowak: eulerscheZahl why aren't you higher in the leaderboard?
AntiSquid: best test for me is increasing win % vs egaetan
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441779727
Waffle3z: egaetan broke my tracking by directly shooting himself with a torpedo, I somehow end up with 0 possible locations https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441778008
struct: new candidate
eulerscheZahl: right now i'm not playing tonowak
eulerscheZahl: 4 weeks is too long for my taste
eulerscheZahl: i'll join later
tonowak: ok :P
eulerscheZahl: my arena bot is just half a day of writing a tracker and a bit of logic to use it
eulerscheZahl: i use random to decide what to charge
Zenoscave: my tracker must be missing something
eulerscheZahl: do you consider all possibilities on SILENCE? 0-4 move length
Zenoscave: yes
Zenoscave: should I filter them better
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: you have less possible paths than i would expect
AntiSquid: maybe it's about tracking the entirety of the paths?
dbdr: depends if you count paths or positions
kovi: hmm
kovi: how can you do 0 cell silence?
Waffle3z: SILENCE N 0
kovi: i mean than you visit the same cell you are on
Tiramon: only with a path you can be sure of the results of a silence
Zenoscave: Oh you count each full path?
egaetan: AntiSquid ? Waffle3z ?
dbdr: not moving is not a visit
AntiSquid: yes?
AntiSquid: how may i help ?
kovi: but you did visit it last turn
eulerscheZahl: yes Zenoscave
kovi: am i missing something?
eulerscheZahl: that's why it's exploding in size
Tiramon: my peak is Enemy Path 9790 in frame 61
Zenoscave: Will fix now
dbdr: kovi it's just a definition
AntiSquid: i think it's like shooting torpedo and not moving kovi
dbdr: if you say there it's a single visit
dbdr: stay there
kovi: oh, ok. i c
Waffle3z: looks like I forgot to remove mines from my grid of mine positions after I trigger them
dbdr: reusable mines
Waffle3z: tried to trigger the same mine twice and ended up with 0 possible positions after it didn't hit the second time
egaetan: what is this pb4 test ?
Waffle3z: play against pb4, who only uses silence, and don't crash
struct: seed=6419651854651190300
Tiramon: tracing all path against him on seed=2159784252580095740
struct: or the other that euler posted before
struct: I think the 641 has more paths
egaetan: pb4 craches long before me
egaetan: is ther any special seed ?
struct: one of those
dbdr: nice promotion kovi
eulerscheZahl: and don't SONAR or attack
Waffle3z: I only track positions and not whole paths so I don't time out
kovi: thx dbdr
eulerscheZahl: but your tracking is less accurate Waffle3z
Tiramon: at least i timeout earlier on that seed struct ;)
eulerscheZahl: same Tiramon
Waffle3z: what am I missing
Tiramon: frame 61
egaetan: seed 2159784252580095740 https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441783046
eulerscheZahl: frame 58
eulerscheZahl: egaetan no mines
Waffle3z: oh by recording paths I can deduce some visited cells and rule out silence branches
Tiramon: but you will timeout sometimes ;)
egaetan: eulerscheZahl should i fire torped on him ?
struct: no
struct: dont use anything that helps tracking him
eulerscheZahl: be peaceful, just observe
AntiSquid: lol annoying test, forgot to turn on torpedoes after i turned them off :D
Tiramon: no sonar no torpedo or mine
AntiSquid: i checked every all my tracking code, quite sure i do nothing wrong, i still win, but i don't save massive chains of path trees
Illedan: :wave:
egaetan: he timeout at turn 87 ? on seed=2159784252580095740
eulerscheZahl: hardcoded movements
AntiSquid: same ^
eulerscheZahl: if you reach 87, you win
eulerscheZahl: 124k paths
Tiramon: ok ... i think i found a solution to to better
Illedan: I guess he uses his bot for testing
struct: the objective is for you to timeout, by calculating all his paths
pb4: I can hardcode further if you want
Illedan: :D
struct: pb4 hardcode for this seed maybe? seed=6419651854651190300
struct: or if you find a better one
egaetan: eulerscheZahl does somebody really has the 124k path ?
eulerscheZahl: yes
pb4: struct : I timeout on your seed :(
Illedan: tracking yourself?
pb4: tracking the hardcoded pb4 on the leaderboard
Illedan: aha
eulerscheZahl: where am i? i accidentally replaced the inputs from the referee
pb4: How far do you all go on struct's seed seed=6419651854651190300 ?
eulerscheZahl: 58
struct: Tiramo n said 61
Illedan: 58 what?
struct: until turn 58 Illedan
dbdr: 87
eulerscheZahl: 58 till timeout https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441779727
kovi: 93
Illedan: When you can kill him?
pb4: nice dbdr !
eulerscheZahl: no mines, torpedoes, sonar
AntiSquid: winning the egaetan test:
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441785815 (you time out just to let you know, would appreciate if you return the favor)
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441786605
102?
egaetan: thx AntiSquid, i already know, around 1/40 game i timout on first turn :(
eulerscheZahl: you don't track full paths Illedan
eulerscheZahl: your bot doesn't qualify for the test
Illedan: Oh, until you timeout
Illedan: :D
Illedan: Not pb4
AntiSquid: you used sonar ! supposed not to
eulerscheZahl: you are supposed to analyze all possible locations with history
pb4: dbdr : how many possible enemy positions at the end of the test ? (both seeds)
Tiramon: ok so i optimized my tracking, but i timout earlier ... damn
AntiSquid: maybe precise tracking is a trap and not the answer?
eulerscheZahl: Illedan also blew up mines
egaetan: seed 6419651854651190300 .. 300 too
egaetan: 58
AntiSquid: how can opponent's TRIGGER command be useful to gain info?
eulerscheZahl: placed a mine there in the past
AntiSquid: so that's where you need full path ?
eulerscheZahl: and right now the opponent is or is not in the blast range
Waffle3z: so much information, so little time and space to fully integrate it all
eulerscheZahl: full path is needed because of not crossing the own path
eulerscheZahl: you can't silence through your own path, so that reduces options
AntiSquid: :thinking:
AntiSquid: hardest game on CG?
OmidSafari: hi
OmidSafari: how ar u?
AntiSquid: amazing, thanks for asking
emh: I'm looking for a magic torpedo. easy to code. easy to win. who can help?
AntiSquid: and how are you sir? OmidSafari
tonowak: good, and you?
Astrobytes: emh Lexi Belle
OmidSafari: thanks a lot
emh: Astrobytes ok thx I will submerge her
tonowak: I somehow cannot run the struct seed on the pb4 test. It shows me a different map, even though I put the seed in the "manual" box
stormKx18: eulerscheZahl - it would be nice to be able to destroy enemy mines with a torpedo
stormKx18: https://www.codingame.com/replay/441789375
Astrobytes: :D
stormKx18: frame 150
j0: can u guys give me a hint how to track an opponent
Illedan: that is very game breaking :P
eulerscheZahl: it was a design choice not to trigger mines by torpedoes or other mines
egaetan: tonowak weird
eulerscheZahl: following the rules of the original game https://www.matagot.com/IMG/pdf/SONAR_RULES_EN_lr.pdf
tonowak: or maybe you guys showed replays with another seed
Tiramon: did you click 'replay in same conditions' tonowak that happened to me
eulerscheZahl: same conditions undoes whatever you did
tonowak: could someone show a replay of a map with this seed? I would then know if something is wrong
egaetan: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441790926 seed=6419651854651190300
egaetan: eulerscheZahl how many path before turn 58 ?
tonowak: I get a different map. Even though I just refreshed the page (thus, there was no "replay in same condition" button)
Tiramon: hm my result of locations differs from the one egaeton just posted ...
eulerscheZahl: egaetan check my output https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/441792023
eulerscheZahl: it's final nodes and total paths
eulerscheZahl: not in that order
Tiramon: oh no just watched wrong frame ...
pb4: same value for me
Illedan: Breaking my bot now if anyone wants to grab the latest working before it's gone :P
Tiramon: for me it's 59 not 58
egaetan: eulerscheZahl i have different numbers
eulerscheZahl: we have you in the latest battles Illedan
eulerscheZahl: can grab from there
Illedan: Alright, only moving + silence submitted.
pb4: what numbers egaetan ?
pb4: Illedan : why ?
egaetan: number of path at end of turn turn 57
Illedan: I'm working on a new bot. And I need this one to test with
Illedan: And I keep losing focus because I'm ranked too high..
eulerscheZahl: :D
Illedan: Better to stay all the way down here
Tiramon: poor Illedan ;)
eulerscheZahl: that's how i learned linux
tonowak: could someone explain to me how to get this map? I'm doing the following steps: select pb4 from the players as player2, click on options, manual and paste the struct seed. Then play my code. I get a different map than you guys get
eulerscheZahl: step 1: delete windows
Illedan: tonowak, you need to enable expert mode
pb4: tonowak : seems correct :/
Illedan: Go to settings
tonowak: ???
Illedan: and click MODE
Illedan: Then go to options above the players
tonowak: I have EXPERT selected
Illedan: and swap the seed
struct: paste what you are pasting in IDE here
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/rlgki9
tonowak: 6419651854651190300
pb4: do you write seed=xxxxxxxx ?
pb4: or just xxxxx ?
struct: seed=6419651854651190300
tonowak: huh
struct: must be that
pb4: You need seed=xxxxx
tonowak: that's... stupid
tonowak: thanks!
struct: in some games, you can put more stuff than the seed
tonowak: yeah, it works now! :D
eulerscheZahl: in theory you can pass more options if the referee supports it
struct: thats why you need to mention
eulerscheZahl: e.g. the map size for vindinium
struct: 10 pods for CSB
Tiramon: eulerscheZahl i didn't get more frames than you i just had my own silence still activated
eulerscheZahl: silence is allowed
eulerscheZahl: oh, frame != turn
Tiramon: right
eulerscheZahl: i silence too :o
Tiramon: hm i silence and move in the same turn ...
eulerscheZahl: ah, i only do 1 at a time
egaetan: so how many is the correct number at turn 57 ?
eulerscheZahl: for my bot silence = move with string replace
egaetan: eulerscheZahl we start differing at turn 30
eulerscheZahl: pb gets my numbers too
egaetan: you've got 41/2064 i've got 41/2024
eulerscheZahl: maybe you find duplicates there
eulerscheZahl: which i somehow miss
egaetan: i deduplicate yes
egaetan: should be taht
eulerscheZahl: i should too
but maybe i bugged it
tonowak: I have the same numbers as eulerscheZahl
stormKx18: I think the mine-torpedo interactions are not clear in that rule book, other forums show that a torpedo should remove the mine
stormKx18: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1746263/final-judgement-torpdeo-mine-interaction
pb4: eulerscheZahl : you do miss some duplicates
pb4: but it's faster (in my case) not to deduplicate -_-
Tiramon: i got the same numbers as you do egaetan
egaetan: thx Tiramon deduplication win !
eulerscheZahl: i already hash my paths while extending
eulerscheZahl: zobrist style
eulerscheZahl: may future me curse about it
egaetan: my better deduplication doesn't help with turn 58
pb4: 41/2024 with deduplication too
egaetan: :D
pb4: but deduplication is basically just as long as the full search -_-
tonowak: though is deduplication better? You lose info that some paths are more probable than others
egaetan: 49/2671 at turn 57
egaetan: tonowak i don't loose informations
Tiramon: and with that silence it should grow to something above 20k path
tonowak: ok, so you store how many duplicates there are?
pb4: same egaetan
tonowak: then that's indeed better :P
tonowak: though potentially, how much info could you compress? More than 2x?
eulerscheZahl: not storing amount of duplicates
tonowak: did anyone survive turn 86?
Hjax: what are we talking about?
tonowak: the pb4 test
Hjax: whats that
tonowak: scroll up
Tiramon: ok no chance to survive frame 58 it takes me 45ms for that silence in fram e44
Hjax: you guys are trying to calculate the number of possibilities?
Hjax: for some position in OoC?
AntiSquid: without timeout
emh: eulerscheZahl https://www.codingame.com/replay/441796208
Astrobytes: don't click that, there'll be penile submarines and everything
tonowak: I'm timing out at 86, but at 85 I'm spending 0 milliseconds. Something is weird...
AntiSquid: BAN
Hjax: whats the point of calculating the entire path and all of the variations?
tonowak: prediction of enemy place
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes hAHAHAHA
AntiSquid: flexing the code Hjax
struct: RIP all tests
ZarthaxX: good one
struct: I have new seed
struct: seed=1366069953
Hjax: yeah but you dont need to enumerate all possible enemy paths
Hjax: to track your opponent
tonowak: yeah but you can
Hjax: is there a benefit?
tonowak: yes. Better enemy place prediction
Hjax: over just shifting around their possible locations and removing the illegal ones each frame?
AntiSquid: it helps a bit with elimination of possible positions i think
Tiramon: yes you can calculate where he didn't walk on silence because path can't cross
Hjax: oooooooooooooooooh that was the bit i was missing Tiramon
struct: Tiramon how far on seed=1366069953
Hjax: i now understand why its useful
tonowak: struct I'm timing out at 72
Illedan: 140th without attacking :)
struct: im running the map generator offline to create worst map possible
AntiSquid: some new leaderboard challenge lol?
Hjax: seems like i have a lot of catching up to do
Hjax: im still in wood XD, been lazy
Tiramon: ok guess i'm happy that with deduplication i still get to 58 and got valid results
tonowak: Illedan but do you have full prediction?
Illedan: Not at all
AntiSquid: ya didn't want to waste time fixing my pediction in wood so i added a tiny bit of "strategy"
Illedan: Hence I'm submitting a bot without attacking. To fix my prediction
Hjax: my prediction is not very complete right now
stormKx18: Illedan -> rule book page number 6 states that mines should be destrouyed by a torpedo
https://www.matagot.com/IMG/pdf/SONAR_RULES_EN_lr.pdf
Hjax: it doesnt take into account silence or torpedos at all
Illedan: Hmm stormKx18, I see it doesn't blow the mine. Just destroys it.
Hjax: so you guys are forking your predictions whenever the enemy uses silence and updating them separately?
stormKx18: but in the current implementation, mines are not destroyed
AntiSquid: should i care if enemy uses sonar ?
Illedan: Correct.
egaetan: tonowak what are your result on 6419651854651190300 ?
tonowak: you mean turns?
struct: egaetan try this one seed=1366069953
Illedan: I think making torpedos destroy mines is a very game changing change.
tonowak: I get 117979 paths on turn 86 on this seed egaetan
mchl12: An enemy using sonar tells you nothing about their position, but if you are tracking what the opponent knows about your position, you might want pay attention to their sonar.
stormKx18: at least remove the mines, I think is a good idea to counter the bots that spam mines
egaetan: ouch tonowak i cant follow you on this
tonowak: egaetan you mean number of turns?
egaetan: numbers of turns and paths
Hjax: is tracking all of their possible paths even that useful? with 100k paths you probably know very little about where your opponent is
Illedan: Sorry stormKx18. I can't do that kind of change now.
tonowak: well, I coded it in C++, and it is pretty well optimized
egaetan: mines are not a problem
blasterpoard: it wouldn't even be a good idea - removing a mine would give away your position
tonowak: Hjax in this situation it isn't
tonowak: but normally the number of paths is not bigger than... 100?
Illedan: true blasterpoard. And I would have to change the input scheme :scream:
YannT: Illedan: I have a weird thing on the first turn I can't make sense of
egaetan: i reach 2000 - 3000 sometimes tonowak
Illedan: Show me YannT?
PapaNaxos: my output matches the expect output but codingame says "Expected: Nothing" ??
YannT: reading the opponent order (which is "NA" on that turn) takes like 30ms
YannT: out of 50ms, that's a lot
Illedan: Start you timer after the first input?
YannT: yep
YannT: I do get a timeout sometimes because of it
YannT: and only on the first turn
YannT: Finished turn in 56ms
YannT: other turns I'm always under 5ms
YannT: it's specifically the "NA" input too, reading the rest before that is 0ms
YannT: but that one is 30ms :/
Illedan: Can you create a minimal proff in some language and send me on Discord?
Illedan: I'll verify or deny it :)
YannT: should be possible from the stub easy enough yeah
Illedan: Thx
struct: Ok last seed
struct: seed=51993548
struct: Now this one should be the less islands you can get lol
Illedan: Did you find one where the map is split in 2?
struct: pb4 you might want to try on this one
struct: Nah illedan
struct: But I can try and run it offline
Illedan: seed=1 is far worse..
YannT: [TIME] Before reading orders: 0ms
[TIME] Order read: 25ms
[TIME] After reading orders: 26ms
pb4: even with deduplication there are 27k paths at frame 72
YannT: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fcec035c-c25f-4440-8f06-b98a33aae02f
YannT: minimal reproduce
tonowak: YannT the referee doesn't measure your time from the moment it gave all the output?
struct: in that seed?
YannT: I just measured the time before and after that particular input read anyway
YannT: it comes to 20ms
YannT: out of 50ms that's a bunch
tonowak: without deduplication I have 57083 on frame 72
Illedan: what lang is this? :P
YannT: Kotlin :p
Illedan: ahh
Illedan: Thought it was java
YannT: close enough!
tonowak: YannT I think that you have 50ms after the referee gave you the whole turn input
YannT: no from first input read
YannT: which is where I started the timer
YannT: anyway you can see it comes in before the read at 0ms, and 20ms after read
Illedan: yeah, but you are counting enemy player and referee time too?
YannT: no matter when you start, it arrives at that read at 0ms and comes out of it at 20ms
YannT: so the operation took 20ms
YannT: doesn't really matter when you start or no I'm measuring that specific line :p
tonowak: YannT try something like this: before the end of while loop, sleep for 45 ms
tonowak: and see if the bot times out in the IDE
tonowak: that would answer if those spent 20ms are included in the time limit
YannT: they are, I sometimes timeout
tonowak: have you tried exactly this?
YannT: I wasn't screwing around with timers everywhere for sport :p
tonowak: until you give me the code that indeed times out in such way, I won't believe you :P
YannT: trust me lots of testing went into narrowing this down ;)à
Illedan: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e45fcf55-bca1-4605-bd02-0c18d5116fcb
Illedan: This gives 0ms and 0 ms..
emh: ooo I start my timer after input read
emh: didn't seem to have problems with 45ms in that
YannT: first input read yeah
emh: last for me
YannT: Illedan: hm can't argue with that
stormKx18: Illedan-> thanks for your feedback, the game is great :)
YannT: oh shit found the problem
YannT: it's the split
tonowak: what's wrong with the split?
YannT: must be some JVM thing that it loads on the first split call
Illedan: :P
Tiramon: opponentOrders.split("\\|");
YannT: you put the split call you get +20ms on the first call, it must be classloading something or other
tonowak: so Illedan I should start my timer in the first int that I scan, not after the last one?
struct: Illedan does this count?
seed=1764530081
Illedan: after the first you scan yeah
Illedan: I think
struct: if you want I do better
Illedan: It's part of the framework
tonowak: ty. Good to know
Tiramon: YannT use split("\\|")
Illedan: But just read and do work after :P
Tiramon: else it will split down in singel characters
Illedan: struct, thx :D
Illedan: I love that one :D
YannT: Illedan: fixed it, I made some junk split call before giving the start position so those extra 20ms fall into the 1s delay
YannT: it is a classloading thing
Illedan: Good stuff
tonowak: that's a nice seed you got there struct
Uljahn: #justwarmupthings
struct: Im just using referee
struct: with a few changes
struct: generate infinite maps until requirement is met :)
YannT: Tiramon: nah it works, it's classloading that takes some extra time
struct: seed=-1881372996
struct: You might enjoy this one better
Illedan: damn
Illedan: even gotta think for this one
tonowak: so the consequence of the pb4 test is that it won't be possible to do a full deduction on mines, right?
Illedan: I guess you can do assumptions
Illedan: But pb4 didn't use 3 rounds now and then to generate mine charges
Illedan: But if the opponent is hard on the Silence. You can simply use some torpedos and narrow it much faster down
tonowak: hmm is it a good strategy though?
Illedan: We'll see
tonowak: won't the sonar be better in this particular situation?
Illedan: It's day 4. Haven't done a phd on the game yet :P
egaetan: you expose yourself with torpedos
egaetan: sonar should be lot better
Waffle3z: how long to contests usually last? this one is long?
Illedan: 10 days normally
Illedan: Sonar is better, but Torpedo might get you lucky
Illedan: And if torpedo hit, you can narrow it even more down
egaetan: sonar is sooooooo long to charge
Illedan: :P
tonowak: this strategy could go very bad against a hide & hit&run strategy
tonowak: the torpedo one
Hjax: i bet its loading its regex engine
Hjax: @YannT
YannT: yeah it has to be something like that
Spifflejedi: hi, http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c66be773-217e-4230-a52c-887d07416cea
YannT: no you're not
YannT: think of it as taking several turns in a row
YannT: first boom, then move after boom
YannT: same for everything
YannT: (except loading systems by moving btw)
Spifflejedi: ok then I have a issue in the mng of my coordinates ^^
tonowak: yeah, and that's why you can first move and charge a torpedo, then fire the (just now) loaded torpedo on the same turn
YannT: no that doesn't work actually
YannT: I tried it
tonowak: then check my bot :P
YannT: for me it just removed my torpedo cooldown but no fire
YannT: I took it to mean that was invalid
tonowak: then you did something wrong. It is clearly working for me
Tiramon: propably just invalid target
Tiramon: i also do that
Tiramon: ah better tracking and better targeting ... this is a much nicer rank
egaetan: ehh i don't do that!
tonowak: really egaetan? :O
egaetan: no never
Tiramon: then don't start doing
egaetan: if (maxnb * thresholdShoot > here.size() && torpedoCooldown == 0 && maxP != null) {
tonowak: I should better not say anything on the chat :P
egaetan: i consider torpedo only when cooldown is at 0
egaetan: I would have found it one day or another
YannT: are you suuuuure it works to say MOVE first, charge torpedo to 3/3 and then fire it in one turn?
egaetan: so another todo
tonowak: yes YannT
YannT: ahh lets do that for everyyyything then!
struct: help
Spifflejedi: hehe
struct: now Im stuck looking for seeds
struct: seed=655556558
tonowak: ooh that's a nice seed
tonowak: theoretically, what is the minimum number of island cells?
tonowak: 6?
struct: idk
struct: Im checking
tonowak: it is 2
struct: you think?
tonowak: yeah. The "create random islands", even though it fires at least 5 times, potentially it could lit only one cell in the results table
tonowak: oh, and if it would be x=14 y=0 then the "increase the island tiles" would do nothing
tonowak: so the answer is "1"
tonowak: with a chance of... 1/(26 * 15^10)
YannT: tonowak: oh yeah that works :)
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX joined the game :o
tonowak: so you would have to generate, on average, around 10^13 - 10^14 seeds
tonowak: I don't think it is computationally feasible
tonowak: so on average, it is not possible to get only 1 island tile
tonowak: but 2 island tiles should be practically possible
tonowak: maybe there is a way to reverse-engineer the seed? But I don't know how the Java rand works
Illedan: :P
egaetan: i known someone who knows
tonowak: yes?
Illedan: Just copy the referee, remove the map gen and upload a private contribution...@
struct: trying to find a map with 4 islands
egaetan: tonowak https://recursive.cc/blog/bruteforcing-the-seed-in-code4life.html
tonowak: egatean that was some interesting read :P reminds me on how some are able to hack peoples' hashing algorithms on codeforces
AntiSquid: how many times did you have to rewrite your bots?
struct: !!!!
struct: 4 islands
JFB: seed=2974831157920180200
struct: seed=-430391657
tonowak: nice struct
Zenoscave: play against egaetan on that map
AntiSquid: how many different things can you chain ?
AntiSquid: in output
Zenoscave: one of each
tonowak: all of them
AntiSquid: ok
GetSchwifty: wait, you can move after using silence?
tonowak: yes
Zenoscave: yup
GetSchwifty: fml
AntiSquid: yes lots of odd combinations in whichever order you want
AntiSquid: confused what to do next with the overwhelming possibilities
GetSchwifty: don't forget MSG
AntiSquid: msg always at the end no ?:p
tonowak: MOVE | SURFACE | TORPEDO | SONAR | SILENCE | MINE |TRIGGER | MSG is possible :P
GetSchwifty: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GetSchwifty: i accept the challenge, fireworks on last move
GetSchwifty: engage all systems
Zenoscave: you can only do one of each lol not multiple triggers
struct: and cant trigger the mine you just placed
Zenoscave: that too
struct: cant seem to find a map with < 4 islands :(
tonowak: struct yeah the probability for x islands is exponential
harshch000: can bots use multiple threads now?
Zenoscave: not that i think harshch000
AntiSquid: hi harshch000 forgot you even exist, how are you?
harshch000: Hey I'm good, first time on this website for a while- bored during quarantine so thought I would play this challenge
harshch000: how is ocean of code
harshch000: is it fun
Zenoscave: very
AntiSquid: super complicated
AntiSquid: hardest game on CG imo
harshch000: hmm that's fun
AntiSquid: so depends if that's what you enjoy then it's 100% fun
Zenoscave: Harder than BitRunner ? ;)
harshch000: What kind of hard? Lots of data/input and hard to model or just hard to simulate or hard to do AI for?
Zenoscave: Hard to do AI for. incomplete info
harshch000: is the ref code available?
Zenoscave: yes
AntiSquid: zeno bit runner has complete info no?
Zenoscave: https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code
Zenoscave: I was only joking.
Zenoscave: I agree with your assessment AntiSquid
harshch000: ok thx
harshch000: glad it's a month
Zenoscave: same
YannT: #18 with all the fixes <o/
YannT: but I don't do mines
YannT: everybody does mines
Zenoscave: mines are hard to time with other charging
YannT: I can see everybody's resolved it by just not doing sonar
YannT: or very little
Zenoscave: Yes
Zenoscave: no sonar unless all else is full here
YannT: but if you mine spam it never gonna be full
Zenoscave: ;)
YannT: tomorrow I'm gonna sonar less and mine stuff up
YannT: also maybe stop dashing head first into corners
YannT: life goals
Zenoscave: Oh that reminded me of a fix i needed. thanks
YannT: I have a floodfill for moving around in a semi decent manner but I basically silence away at random and screw myself more often than not :p
struct: 200 million maps and none with <= 3 islands :(
Zenoscave: 200 million!!!!!
KarolisZilevicius: zdarova
AntiSquid: hello ?
YannT: you mean 3 landmasses or 3 island squares
AntiSquid: italy 6k deaths O_O
Zenoscave: 18th :P
AntiSquid: gratz zeno
Zenoscave: errr 19th
Zenoscave: thx
AntiSquid: apart from predicting opponent what do you have?
Zenoscave: reducing their predictions of me
Zenoscave: that's the big one
AntiSquid: ha
AntiSquid: and you have a strategy too ? lure / trap / attack / run / self-isolate ?
Zenoscave: not really
struct: 1000mill no 3 island
struct: I quit
AntiSquid: you pressed play my code 1000mil times?
struct: ofc
struct: and I counted every island
Zenoscave: whoa
struct: im running it localy
struct: its around 1 mill maps each 2 to 3 sec
Zenoscave: you spent like 45 min running that?
Zenoscave: why?
Astrobytes: He's avoiding writing his bot
Astrobytes: So he can delete the day before it ends
Astrobytes: :P
struct: I have mixed feelings about the game
struct: havent started yet
Astrobytes: I didn't get much done today for virus reasons, but I quite like it. It's challenging
AntiSquid: after all the struggle i realize i need a different approach, was it worth it? maybe if i learned something in the long run
struct: I was gonna start
struct: But c++ and strings
struct: meh
kbrock: every iteration you have a "structure" that is your current move. what are people using?
kbrock: I thought an array of rounds you play as the first, but then I thought rounds that you skip. Now I'm wondering if I should store the number of rounds that I play (relative) - any suggestions?
MostComplicatedUsername: I still haven't gotten around to creating the bo
MostComplicatedUsername: t
MostComplicatedUsername: Too lazy
icecream17: hmm. a function takes 37ms and combined with the other stuff can timeout. what do i do?
BenjaminUrquhart: make it not take so long
Soonies: lul
MostComplicatedUsername: If the other stuff makes it timeout, something's wrong
MostComplicatedUsername: :)
MostComplicatedUsername: What's wrong with the font for ocean of code?
MostComplicatedUsername: I can't read it
Soonies: i personnaly recommend Comic Sans ms :)
MostComplicatedUsername: I recommend times new roman
MostComplicatedUsername: It's the easiest to read
icecream17: Oh no. 2672ms
icecream17: The only difference is code after it...
icecream17: Time to reredelete my code.
Flyingkid: profile it and optimize
Flyingkid: you could copy input and run locally and see what's slow
Waffle3z: Illedan disappeared from the leaderboard
struct: he said that he would
struct: he is starting from start I think
sean12: good evening from nz
