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eulerscheZahl: i don't know anything that doesn't get mentioned on chat. i'm not even on CG discord anymore

Darleanow: yeah i know ! i was just asking, as you've been here for quite a long !

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I kinda wanted to try the java certification test (I would probably not pass it) but terms and conditions say I should only do it if invited by a recruiter, yikes idk

Ayza: you don't need a recruiter

Ayza: + If you can pass clashes with java, then you can probably pass the certification test

Ayza: 5 puzzles, 1 hour

Default avatar.png BO3__bits: yo

Default avatar.png BO3__bits: mother father

Default avatar.png HafizurRahman: oi

Default avatar.png HafizurRahman: how to win level 4

StevenV: what language is the most modern language supported by CG?

eulerscheZahl: Kotlin i think

eulerscheZahl: First appeared July 22, 2011 (from wikipedia)

eulerscheZahl: oh wait, swift is from 2014

StevenV: thanks

jacek: happy Caturday

eulerscheZahl: happy Chaturday

Default avatar.png afk7: happy Chaturday

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: happy Chadurday

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: happy Cheddar-day

PatrickMcGinnisII: U think your house is yours... nope... your cat is the hoMEOWner

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you're the pet, he owns you

PatrickMcGinnisII: They are little murderers trapped in little bodies. ;)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: mosquitos are too, they just don't know it

MSmits: they know it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: until they go splat of course

PatrickMcGinnisII: if cats could fly I would have more than 3. If they could breathe fire, i would have a castle full of them.

MSmits: If cats could fly they would escape

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I hope there's not much flammable stuff in your castle

PatrickMcGinnisII: I have a doggie door, they go in and out as they please.

MSmits: isn't this a saying?

MSmits: if wishes were wings, cats would roast your furniture?

MSmits: or something like that

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: pigs would fly

MSmits: really.. ahh so close

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

PatrickMcGinnisII: mmmm, fire cats make bacon

MSmits: It is said people-meat tastes like bacon

PatrickMcGinnisII: :bacon:

PatrickMcGinnisII: soylent green, no ty

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: flying pigs could make bacon wings

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think I should go back to sleep and start my day all over.

PatrickMcGinnisII: if pigs could fly, we would have sturdy umbrellas

MSmits: btw, sorry I got here just now. Is the goal of this to make them pull off the bandage and remove the chat now?

PatrickMcGinnisII: :poop:

PatrickMcGinnisII: last chat msg logged wins

MSmits: ohh I see

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: would they do it on a saturday tho?

PatrickMcGinnisII: suppossed to be yesterday

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: maybe they still have some time on US east west coast

MSmits: I don't think they do anything on a saturday. So I suspect we can talk about flying and frying animals all day

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: west*

MSmits: weekend even

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: if you could talk with ants, would you do it?

MSmits: with, or to?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: with

PatrickMcGinnisII: No, sugar beggars ... annoying

MSmits: well if they start talking to me, i would reply

MSmits: it's polite

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: would you also do it if you only could do it on a hot summer day, while holding a magnifying glass over them?

PatrickMcGinnisII: Moths ... they could be your little spies

MSmits: sure, i'd say sorry

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

MSmits: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-tic-tac-toe/msmits

MSmits: yay evalbot is now my best bot!

MSmits: no more random

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: from 8 to 5 right?

MSmits: my other bot was 8 yes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: nice :)

MSmits: look what it did to bowwow :P

MSmits: 23-7 lol

MSmits: he was 5th before, i basically switched places

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: hehe :)

Illedan: evalbot?

MSmits: uttt with no random rollout

MSmits: just eval backpropagated

Illedan: No book?

MSmits: nope

Illedan: Isn't book better?

MSmits: sure it will be once i generate it again

MSmits: i figured i'd take this bot to the max without book first

MSmits: i'm not there yet, might need to learn GA to fit these params properly

MSmits: my other bot is getting overfitted against =/ I am having to give it 500 ms calc time to provide a challenge

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: maybe bowwow has a bot with similar strategies to your old one then

MSmits: yeah, but it could also be overfitted against differently. I think this may be a NN

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well done anyways :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I gtg now, I'll be back in a while

MSmits: thanks, I have years of trying for this game. I spend more time on this than on any other bot. To finally just throw it away and beat it with an evalbot is strange :P

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

MSmits: ttyl

Illedan: Might try that game one day too :thinking:

Illedan: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-fantastic-bits/illedan

Illedan: Now I'm back here

Illedan: xD

MSmits: oh yeah

MSmits: well that will be a challenge

MSmits: +4 to beat

Illedan: re Curse is boosted a lot by my submits

MSmits: well same challenge i have really, except there's 3 ppl in between recurse and me

MSmits: ah I see

MSmits: was recurse not at 1 before?

Illedan: He was

MSmits: quite an achievement beating pb4 anyways

Illedan: But during my submission period he was behind pb 4 for a while too

MSmits: oh i see

Illedan: Some strats beats him better, as he has bugs :(

Illedan: But that is worse against others

MSmits: yep so dont overfit on his bugs

Inferno_dragon: the way cg caculate the rank is way crazy

Default avatar.png Karkadel: +

Inferno_dragon: those game in cg kinda hard

eulerscheZahl: the new formula was introduced mainly to push me to #1 back then. didn't last long

Inferno_dragon: really

eulerscheZahl: of course not

Inferno_dragon: bruh you made me confused

Inferno_dragon: and how many bot programming are there that you got 200K point from it

eulerscheZahl: there are still a lot of games that i haven't touched yet. it's just getting too much to keep up with it

Inferno_dragon: I think CG need some college knowledge in order to rank up faster

Inferno_dragon: Code golf seem amazing i forgot to do that

jacek: MSmits bowwowforeach uses NN

Inferno_dragon: oh the python golfer dead

jacek: so people cant do codegolf in python now? nows your chance

Inferno_dragon: but the old player has chance to rank higher

MSmits: ahh thanks for confirming jacek.

Inferno_dragon: that's bad

Inferno_dragon: the exec and bytes is down by codingame

MSmits: eulerscheZahl i don't entirely agree with your assessment. You could do a fast minimax on a bunch of these simple boardgames, but you just dont like em :)

Inferno_dragon: I think i will learn ruby to rank up in code golf

MSmits: no need Inferno_dragon

MSmits: you just need 5 different languages, ruby doesnt need to be 1 of them

MSmits: code golf cp is earned per language, 5 max

Inferno_dragon: ruby plus bash

jacek: MSmits pretty understandable https://bowwowforeach.hatenablog.com/entry/2022/07/05/195417

Inferno_dragon: bash still the best lang

MSmits: jacek, that could just be explanation on how he encoded his opening book :P

MSmits: why Inferno_dragon?

jacek: it called them weights

MSmits: oh

Inferno_dragon: cuz we can learn any lang and use it in bash

jacek: or maybe its trolling

MSmits: oh you translated it

MSmits: i mean if you posted your weights it would look like that too :P

jacek: https://deepl.com/translator is decent

eulerscheZahl: true, MSmits. it's about priorities. i can't do everything here and still do other contests and keep my sanity

MSmits: yeah I know. I took this approach quite a while ago. Only I just do the ones you skip, mostly

Inferno_dragon: thanks jacek for the transalate

MSmits: jacek really nice translation, the top paragraph gets translated 100% perfect

jacek: how can you tell

MSmits: well it makes perfect sense

jacek: it could entirely different thing that makes sense

jacek: id make that troll translator

MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/5sy2vQe

MSmits: it's even worded very nicely

MSmits: if this is a troll translator i'd be even more impressed

Inferno_dragon: the second paragraph is impressive too

jacek: liek this https://www.yuppiegadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/p-14766-Wrongulator1a.jpg

MSmits: lol

Inferno_dragon: lol

Default avatar.png wagabond12: whats that, the wrongulator ?

MSmits: it says so on the box

jacek: probably written in js

MSmits: no i dont think so, they made it wrong on purpose

Inferno_dragon: probably use photoshop

MSmits: if it were js, it'd be by accident

PatrickMcGinnisII: https://bowwowforeach-hatenablog-com.translate.goog/entry/2022/07/05/195417?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Inferno_dragon: some guru deleted their account how sad

**PatrickMcGinnisII burps

PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, google works too

Inferno_dragon: yeah the same transalate as jacek transalator

PatrickMcGinnisII: actually I bookmarked it like 2 days ago the last time someone posted the japanese link

MSmits: I like how we can spy on Japanese coders now

Inferno_dragon: but not encoded coder like this one exec(bytes('湩異⡴਩㵸湩異⡴⸩灳楬⡴牯嬠崰瀊楲瑮猨牯整⡤⡛ⴰ扡⡳湩⡴⥭Ⱙ⥭映牯洠椠嵸嬩ㄭ孝崱','u16')[2:])

Inferno_dragon: just like acient character

MSmits: yeah thats done to save space

eulerscheZahl: input()\nx=input().split(or [0]\nprint(sorted([(0-abs(int(m)),m) for m in x])[-1][1]

MSmits: btw, his encoding is suboptimal. He uses array

eulerscheZahl: that's what it says Inferno_dragon

Inferno_dragon: how

eulerscheZahl: open a python terminal, paste the code without the exec part

eulerscheZahl: bytes('湩異⡴਩㵸湩異⡴⸩灳楬⡴牯嬠崰瀊楲瑮猨牯整⡤⡛ⴰ扡⡳湩⡴⥭Ⱙ⥭映牯洠椠嵸嬩ㄭ孝崱','u16')[2:]

MSmits: wow

Inferno_dragon: oh

MSmits: euler = trained spy

MSmits: I bet you learned this from doing RAIC

MSmits: and spying on the Russians

eulerscheZahl: not sure if i'll even play RAIC

MSmits: it is weird this year

Inferno_dragon: or he is an agent

eulerscheZahl: with all the politics and such. not even sure if i could win a tshirt

eulerscheZahl: and game isn't interesting enough to do it without

MSmits: yeah, no shirt no glory

eulerscheZahl: at least my topcoder 21 tshirt arrived yesterday :tada:

eulerscheZahl: won it in april 2021

MSmits: you won 21 t shirts?

MSmits: oh ok

eulerscheZahl: not 21 tshrits. just one with "TCO21" on it

j4at: lol

MSmits: it's like you said it and thought, o wait i am talking to msmits, i better clarify

Inferno_dragon: I thought some company is abundant tshirt

PatrickMcGinnisII: i don't have a PY term, what's it say?

PatrickMcGinnisII: VSC thinks it's an ini file

Inferno_dragon: vsc really

PatrickMcGinnisII: only Py i've done has been in notepad for import into graphics prog

Inferno_dragon: b'input()\nx=input().split(or [0]\nprint(sorted([(0-abs(int(m)),m) for m in x])[-1][1]'

Inferno_dragon: print(bytes('湩異⡴਩㵸湩異⡴⸩灳楬⡴牯嬠崰瀊楲瑮猨牯整⡤⡛ⴰ扡⡳湩⡴⥭Ⱙ⥭映牯洠椠嵸嬩ㄭ孝崱','u16')[2:]) just put a print

Inferno_dragon: why or [0] is here strange

MSmits: all golfed code looks weird to me

PatrickMcGinnisII: import sys import math bytes('湩異⡴਩㵸湩異⡴⸩灳楬⡴牯嬠崰瀊楲瑮猨牯整⡤⡛ⴰ扡⡳湩⡴⥭Ⱙ⥭映牯洠椠嵸嬩ㄭ孝崱','u16')[2:]

Inferno_dragon: cuz it used alien language

PatrickMcGinnisII: did nothing

Inferno_dragon: no use print PatrickMcGinnisII

MSmits: they are Japanese, not Zerg

Inferno_dragon: print(bytes())

MSmits: though they did zerg last contest tbh

PatrickMcGinnisII: oh i see it now

Inferno_dragon: oh codingame might killed the exec() method in python

eulerscheZahl: highly unlikely

Inferno_dragon: that's why i can't cheat in my clash with friends

eulerscheZahl: there are some many things to potentially block for golfing, like sys calls

eulerscheZahl: but also hard to do

eulerscheZahl: for the exec trick you could count bytes instead of chars

Inferno_dragon: yep but for code shorter than 50 it will give you a longer one

Inferno_dragon: the optimization is the hardest path in codingame

Inferno_dragon: the clash player could use your site euler https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/

Inferno_dragon: oh i shouldn't post that site here

eulerscheZahl: why not?

jacek: its ran by some scammers i think

j4at: yeah its an IP grabber.

j4at: I always get ddos attacked while playing coc with euler, so he might be(migth not) the owner.

jacek: win by printing WAIT https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/650376661

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I have so many questions

eulerscheZahl: you play CoC with me? i can't recall doing such a thing

eulerscheZahl: i can confirm that i can extract IP address and user agent from that herokuapp

_Royale: :scream:

DomiKo: :D

Zorg1: the same for the other CG tools I suppose no ?

eulerscheZahl: but it only goes back for less than 1 day and i rarely check

eulerscheZahl: i'm more interested about what you search. there are users who copy the whole clash statement. and my DB query is poorly written, linear runtime to the number of words :D

_Royale: so if we lose the chat with can still communicate with you via search queries :-)

eulerscheZahl: sounds like the easiest way i should add a feature "the last 10 queries"

eulerscheZahl: until i run out of dynos again

jacek: dynos is based on number of visits?

eulerscheZahl: uptime

eulerscheZahl: when you visit the site, the process gets started. and shut down after 30min of inactivity

eulerscheZahl: i get 550h of uptime per month

eulerscheZahl: thanks to web crawlers i exceed them

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oof

BlaiseEbuth: No way to block crawlers?

BlaiseEbuth: And oy there!

eulerscheZahl: robots.txt should teach them to check less frequently at least

Zorg1: if they read it ...

eulerscheZahl: but i don't care, website is up most of the time :D

eulerscheZahl: checking robots.txt is already a visit to my website

Zorg1: ^^

eulerscheZahl: but when you get denied 10 times in a row, do you check an 11th time that soon after?

eulerscheZahl: i think there are also ways to tell the crawlers how often to index your website

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. My question was about a way to block them on heroku side before the visit

Zorg1: consulting robots.txt need the app to be started ? they are not static files that can be served without calling the app ?

eulerscheZahl: i don't think so

eulerscheZahl: but when you can make the crawlers visit less frequently via robots, it's a win already

MSmits: oy BlaiseEbuth

MSmits: scroll

Default avatar.png visionspider: blacklisting, rate limiting, and robots.txt

BlaiseEbuth: o/ MSmits

BlaiseEbuth: There's also a pair of html meta args concerning crawlers iirc

Default avatar.png visionspider: Also its worth knowing not all robots will respect robots.txt guidelines.

MSmits: like evil robots?

MSmits: :robot:

Default avatar.png visionspider: haha

Default avatar.png visionspider: yeah

Default avatar.png visionspider: robots who don't follow Asimov's laws.

MSmits: or maybe they use them as "suggestions"

eulerscheZahl: no blacklisting. that's no longer politically correct

MSmits: African Americanlisting

MSmits: ?

Default avatar.png visionspider: lol

Default avatar.png visionspider: its like github changing master to main

MSmits: what does that mean

Westicles: NBA team owners are now governors

Default avatar.png visionspider: github changed the naming convention of master branch to main branch

MSmits: oh

Default avatar.png visionspider: because with a master branch all other branches were assumed as "slaves"

Default avatar.png visionspider: lol

MSmits: silly

Default avatar.png visionspider: https://www.theserverside.com/feature/Why-GitHub-renamed-its-master-branch-to-main

Default avatar.png visionspider: So what was blacklisting renamed to?

Default avatar.png visionspider: :D

eulerscheZahl: inner vs outer list or something like that

eulerscheZahl: a friend of a prof wrote a book. had to rename travelling salesman problem to travelling salesperson

Default avatar.png visionspider: ok ill try to recall that.

PatrickMcGinnisII: Master and slave... how we used to designate drives

Default avatar.png visionspider: I saw another naming convention for blacklist / whitelist : ‘block list’ and ‘allow list,’”

PatrickMcGinnisII: like with jumpers and sh*t

MSmits: block list reminds me of minecraft

Default avatar.png visionspider: https://insights.dice.com/2020/07/17/whitelist-blacklist-the-new-debate-over-security-terminology/

MSmits: this renaming over cultural sensitivity seems unnecessary to me, but it doesn't bother me either

Westicles: this will be next

Westicles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_connectors_and_fasteners

BlaiseEbuth: Make a https://eulerschezahl.onion/codingame/puzzles/ <https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/> No more robots ezpz

MSmits: not sure Westicles, that distinction refers to sex, not gender

MSmits: if it is next, then that makes no sense

Default avatar.png visionspider: that distinction is so widespread in so many domains

MSmits: it refers to biological differences, not gender identity

MSmits: so if they make a problem of it, they are idiots

Westicles: that wiki could be 5 lines. it is 1000 lies all about kinky sex stuff

Westicles: *lines

Default avatar.png visionspider: BlaiseEbuth who can visit your website now lol

Default avatar.png visionspider: lol

MSmits: Devices used for mating two connectors of the same gender have a wide variety of terms, including for example: "gender changer", "gender mender", "gender bender", and "gender blender"

PatrickMcGinnisII: can't get more than 8 depth on ending of CTTT

MSmits: that wiki is hilarious

Default avatar.png visionspider: is the wiki a satire?

MSmits: I dont think so

MSmits: These mating surfaces are mounted into identical fittings which can freely mate with any other, without regard for gender (provided that the size and type are already matched). Alternative names include hermaphrodite, androgynous, genderless, sexless, combination (or combo), two-in-one, two-way, and other descriptive terms.

PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3040b544-12a1-4a98-9dcf-407f075a3b59

Default avatar.png visionspider: lol

MSmits: Westicles is right

Rafarafa: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3a51da04-4334-42c5-a9d6-8ce9b311bfcd

Rafarafa: :(

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think it's a cool article

cythonboy: lol

Rafarafa: how do I substitute consecutive equal characters in a string with 2 copies of that character, that is abbbbaaab->abbaab

Rafarafa: re.sub(r'((\w)\2{2,})',?????,s)

Rafarafa: I don't know how to truncate the matching group :(

Default avatar.png ImJon20: this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard

jacek: :zipper_mouth:

struct: Rafarafa

struct: let s = "abbbbaaab" console.log(s.replace(/(.)\1{0,1}/g, "$1"));

jacek: js?

struct: yes

struct: with regex

jacek: :head_bandage:

DomiKo: cool

Default avatar.png blibblob: Just met a person who used encoding to reduce his character count

struct: I think jace k does it too

jacek: encoding?

DomiKo: I believe he mean in CoC

Default avatar.png blibblob: Yeah, shortest mode

struct: they use this blibblob https://github.com/clemg/pythongolfer/

Default avatar.png blibblob: Is this not malpractice?

struct: Dont think so

Default avatar.png blibblob: :thumbsup:

Default avatar.png blibblob: Beats the purpose of codegolfing sort of...

DomiKo: yeah

jacek: beat them with ruby

Default avatar.png blibblob: Done 🥶

Default avatar.png blibblob: 92 vs 122 characters

Rafarafa: struct

Rafarafa: what would that be in python?

Rafarafa: if you happen to know

struct: no idea

struct: I dont use python

Default avatar.png blibblob: What is "that"

struct: but the regex should be similar

Rafarafa: alright thanks

Default avatar.png blibblob: I think str.encode('u16') should do the same thing

StevenV: hello gúy

StevenV: Hi automaton2000

Automaton2000: if you have no clue what to do ?

Tsak5422: hi there. any recomendations to how to become a good coder ? (I am 30 years old)

TKirishima: Try hard

Tsak5422: should I leave this career ? It is my only hope

derjack: depends what you want

derjack: webdev? mobile? enterprise?

Tsak5422: software development

jacek: well this site is to improve of what you already know, you need basic skills first

jacek: any language in particular?

Tsak5422: or software engineering or something. I am delivering food for 3 euro per hour. I just want a better life.

Tsak5422: i am trying python

Tsak5422: i know some stuff, but I cannot get any better.

Tsak5422: I am also reading: Zelle's An Introduction to computer science

jacek: here you could start on easy puzzles like the descent, power of thor, temperatures or horse dual racing

Default avatar.png [Itep]: The way to become good is to "enjoy". If shouldnt be just a task or way to better life, it has to be a good way to entertain urshelf.

Default avatar.png [Itep]: imo *

Default avatar.png schaa0: @Tsak5422 There are free online courses like cs106a which cover a lot of fundamentals. Once those are settled, you learn the most from doing side projects, preferrably about topics that interest you the most and learn as you go

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: hey guys I'm doing lowest temperature easy puzzle

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: but I cant figure out how to aps the two negative temperatures are equal test

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/temperatures

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: I've added an if statement inside where I check if the absolute value of two temps is equal where it checks if both are negative and then assigns the lowest value the negative value

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: but it doesn't help

jacek: which test case

Default avatar.png schaa0: i think it's 2nd

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: I got it now

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: it was the both negative values

jacek: i think you should always abs the values

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: yea i was but hten i was setting the lowest to abs value

Default avatar.png Afraaz1: which caused issues when both temp and input was negative

jacek: ah

Default avatar.png Tix81: does anyone have any suggestions for don't panic in less than 200 characters?

Default avatar.png Tix81: i saw someone solved it in c # with less, but i can't get over 350 with this language

MSmits: under

Astrobytes: over should be trivial :P

eulerscheZahl: c# is the wrong language for golfing

MSmits: yes. Ask yourself, does trump do C#? If not, why not.

eulerscheZahl: because he's overqualified?

eulerscheZahl: i'm not. that's why i still use it

eulerscheZahl: also: you should always ask yourself "what would Jesus do?"

Crosility: Huh... I came in at a really weird point in this discussion. Trump as in, trump? O.o

Bob_Rocks: So did I

Astrobytes: Jesus?

Bob_Rocks: what is this about trump?

eulerscheZahl: when we bring in Trump for no reason, why not Jesus?

Astrobytes: true

Crosility: Now we're talking about Jesus on a programming site?

jacek: https://github.com/i-voted-for-trump/is-odd

BlaiseEbuth: Jesus died and angels play trump

Astrobytes: wait for the Godwin moment

BlaiseEbuth: That's my moment

jacek: godlose?

Crosility: *slowly backs away* jacek.. what in the world did you just post? O.o

jacek: not rickroll, thats for sure

eulerscheZahl: a popular node package

jacek: MSmits so low

jacek: what happened to your uttt

Default avatar.png Tix81: certainly with other languages ​​you write less, but if someone has succeeded it means that it is possible

Crosility: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/detective-pikaptcha-ep3 This puzzle is killing me.

eulerscheZahl: https://www.npmjs.com/package/is-ten-thousand

BlaiseEbuth: It's over 9000!

eulerscheZahl: i hated this puzzle in the contest Crosility. was doing well until i opened it

MSmits: jacek i am just experimenting

Default avatar.png Tix81: none of you solved it in c # with less than 200 characters?

eulerscheZahl: you can filter the leaderboard by language

Default avatar.png Tix81: Yes i did it

eulerscheZahl: 143 is the best for C#

Crosility: My brain isn't wrapping around what the designers want. Sadly.

eulerscheZahl: pretty sure it's some system call

eulerscheZahl: the "torus" thing? it's a line, not an actual torus

eulerscheZahl: lie, not line

Astrobytes: lol, nice error there

eulerscheZahl: indeed

jacek: oO

Crosility: If you mean the transformation, which they claim mobius strip, then sure.

jacek: TimeEngineer woah bronze

DrunkeyCPP: how would you write this "myhash = {x:0 for x in mylist}" in ruby/c++?

StevenV: Hello guys

BlaiseEbuth: o/

StevenV: when I do certificate on CG could I do googling?

yedi: yes of course

j4at: yedi can you share your coc solution ?

TimeEngineer: Jacek yeaaah I did it ! I didn't even know that there was a tictactoe in CG competition, my DQN beats them all :D

j4at: 26 secs doens't seems realistic to me

DomiKo: TimeEngineer you mean UTTT?

TimeEngineer: Yes in wood league Domiko

DomiKo: I see

MSmits: oh, the game will change in bronze

TimeEngineer: I know

StevenV: the bronze is.....

TimeEngineer: But I'm confident now about the learning

Westicles: yedi you must defend your honor

Crosility: OMG, I solved Detective Pikaptcha 3. O.O. Had to stare at some of the test cases for a stupid long time to see what they ACTUALLY wanted to happen :(

MSmits: Crosility we had 4 hrs to solve all 4 puzzles in the actual competition

Crosility: No way, 4 hours?!

MSmits: yep

MSmits: i took 3 hr 40 mins or so

MSmits: mobius took an hour i think

Crosility: Considering, I piggybacked off Ep2 code for Ep3..

Crosility: And still took ~2 hours for Ep3.

Crosility: I don't think I could do it :D Lmao

MSmits: it was very stressful, i wanted to get 100% before the end, i barely made it

MSmits: ep4 has a lot of cases

Crosility: That sounds really stressful. Almost like an extended intense CoC

MSmits: yeah, it was unique though, we didnt have other events like that

StevenV: I would stay away from it :D

Astrobytes: somethingsomething locam sprint somethingsomething

MSmits: meh locam sprint wasnt a puzzle

Astrobytes: twas 4 hours though

MSmits: you could solve it by outputting wait

BlaiseEbuth: You can now go make a public scandal on the forum saying he use a bot j4at :smirk:

Crosility: Oh no, episode 4 uses some weird cube transformation.

Crosility: :(

MSmits: yep, that one took me 2 hrs

MSmits: or maybe a little less

Crosility: *crys a little on the inside*

Crosility: I really like these maze/pathfinding puzzles. It really tests my knowledge on some hard subjects.

Crosility: BUT geez, navigating what they intended by the description, and what the description gives you..

Crosility: Brain needs a break.

Westicles: bender ep4? I solved it manually

Crosility: Enjoy friends.

eulerscheZahl: manually is not what you were supposed to do :(

j4at: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/25034449f42a2ce0aed95e162f564a15fdf5e61

eulerscheZahl: no

j4at: 26 secs by our boi yedi

j4at: he got 34 secs before that

Default avatar.png devBib: hello is there any docker challanges or games?

struct: whats the clash

eulerscheZahl: there is no docker here on CG

Rafarafa: I see 34 secs for yedi in that link :thinking:

eulerscheZahl: not even to run our code in

BlaiseEbuth: As I said, sue him publicly on the forum. Already worked for cheaters :speak_no_evil:

j4at: ops wrong link

struct: you dont even know if he cheated

j4at: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/25034460e8078a30338a0f251f4adc60464371c

eulerscheZahl: squiddy is gone after all

struct: But whats the clash

Astrobytes: lol

struct: is the real question

BlaiseEbuth: Not the point struct

Rafarafa: dayum nice he's on fire

eulerscheZahl: maybe that guy is just better at clashing than you?

struct: some clashes are solvable in <10 seconds

Rafarafa: tbh I don't recall him cheating

Rafarafa: as in he doing 5mins+ stuff in 20 secs

j4at: I'm not saying he cheated .. I'm asking him to share his solution. Because eh ignored us in the coc chat and started talking in world

Rafarafa: ah

eulerscheZahl: when you clash a lot, some tasks will appear twice

BlaiseEbuth: Bring him to the gallow poll!

Astrobytes: what happened to guillotines?

Astrobytes: off with his head!

MSmits: they were deprecated

struct: What was the clash j4at?

j4at: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/20739e7af87e7682761095576937ba9196bba

j4at: It's pretty easy but 26secs is pretty good time. I though he is super human

Westicles: that's really fast for that one

j4at: but he didn't answer me

struct: not possible in 26

struct: imo

j4at: so probably a cheater

BlaiseEbuth: Far much hard to clean than a rope Astrobytes...

struct: just typing the notes would probably take longer than that

struct: but who knows

Rafarafa: oh boy I really hate that one

Astrobytes: fair BlaiseEbuth

Rafarafa: why does it show so much wtf

Astrobytes: I think it's quite a nice one, for a clash

Westicles: he was very polite when he begged for approvals

struct: maybe python has a trick to solve that one

struct: import music

Astrobytes: I told him off for it Westicles

Astrobytes: lol struct <insert that xkcd>

BlaiseEbuth: It's not like if nobody ever cheated in clash heh. Some even made a bot to play clashs! :scream:

j4at: Well maybe he got scared bc he saw me in clash, so it's understandable.

Astrobytes: ah modesty :D

BlaiseEbuth: :speak_no_evil:

j4at: :pensive:

jacek: when you almost give up but some magic starting to happen https://i.imgur.com/oqZrZW5.png

struct: whats this jacek?

BlaiseEbuth: Nice drawing boi :)

**BlaiseEbuth patpat jacek

jacek: yet another clash of bots attempt

struct: its NN?

jacek: :zipper_mouth:

j4at: it is

MSmits: plot twist: jacek is just colouring

BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:

j4at: Jacek for how many hours did you train your NN

j4at: ?

jacek: im 14 now, it was trained for 48 hours. ES coevolution

jacek: the graph is just another start on bigger model

j4at: bruh 48 hours :o

j4at: you used attention ?

jacek: hyperparams probably not optimal

jacek: nah, just 5x5 input + rounds + number of robots

jacek: i wonder if i can get top5 with this, or do i need to take the whole shuffled map into account

j4at: you can't get a perfect score with that. recurse probably used all robots inputs + past inputs

jacek: theres no recurse there oO

j4at: But that's just a guess

j4at: oh i mean top1 :p

jacek: top1 is quiet ahead of others, dunno if he uses NN even

struct: it's true AI

j4at: NNs are the true AIs

BlaiseEbuth: Nah. Those are the true Ais https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale-throated_sloth

jacek: no, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_wild_ass

MSmits: that's some wild ass

j4at: writing an optimized simulation for clash of bots is hard

struct: dont need optimization if you useNN

MSmits: I guess you create an array of bots that you reuse?

Astrobytes: is clash of bots any good?

MSmits: it's a weird game, i dont understand the replays

jacek: visuals are little bugged

jacek: and another bug - if 2 players have the same number of robots, its a draw. but according to statement, the one with more health left should win ~

j4at: Well yeah I don't need to optimize it I want to.

jacek: most time if NN stuff, no need to optimize simulation that much

MSmits: jacek is it an error in the statement or in the game?

jacek: yes

Astrobytes: :)

jacek: the game. https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/650356447

j4at: I want to optimize it because I worked on 2d game before and I spent a lot of time optimizing it that i became addicted :p

jacek: its a draw, though the viewer says its his win

jacek: j4at remember its a torus

j4at: ofc i know that

jacek: dunno, maybe you dont read statements

Illedan: Can't you just download all replays by 1st and use his actions in supervised training?

j4at: isn't that cheating ?

jacek: that would requires much more games

MSmits: you need years worth of cg benchmark budget :P

Illedan: Not really? :thinking:

Illedan: 1 game = 100 frames 1 frame ~ 30 bots on avg or something? And handle each one independently: 5x5x20 inputs?

Illedan: gives 3k robot actions to learn from each game?

MSmits: it's not about the number of acions, it's about the number of possible inputs I think

MSmits: 2500 * 3000?

MSmits: i should try to understand the game before i comment :P

Illedan: Yeah, me2

Illedan: :D

Illedan: Anyone off to my offline training

Illedan: *Anyway

MSmits: hf :)

jacek: still youd need millions robots positions to train

jacek: offline training?

MSmits: he's going to do physical activity i think

Illedan: Nah, FB

MSmits: o

jacek: fantastic bits?

Illedan: mhm

MSmits: what'd they rename it to? broom humping?

Illedan: broomstick flyers

MSmits: close

Astrobytes: "broom humping" :D

MSmits: made sense to me

jacek: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/420myq/til_that_mattel_released_quickly_discontinued_a/

Astrobytes: :rofl:

BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:

Astrobytes: that's excellent

jacek: you killed the chat again

MSmits: let me revive it with this neat cg stats result: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-tic-tac-toe/msmits still ongoing, possibly i am lucky

Astrobytes: I can't take credit for that one jacek

j4at: No, they are just trying to buy a vibrating Nimbus 2000 broomstick

j4at: so jacek killed the chat

MSmits: this is so random. all I did was make one seemingly unimportant param go from 0.8 to 1.0 and it is so much better

jacek: still fitting params via brute force?

MSmits: local fitting is pointless now

MSmits: by brute force anyways

MSmits: i am just trying them out on the leaderboard

jacek: spam submits?

MSmits: different param values, not just spam

MSmits: but, good news

MSmits: only 4 real important params to fit

MSmits: i eliminated some

jacek: do you use random in submitted code?

MSmits: no

MSmits: i stopped using random locally too

MSmits: no matter what i did, my normal mcts bot was so weak with it

MSmits: i cant fit params when it loses 80%

jacek: you used random on mcts bot, not eval bot?

MSmits: i had it with 500 ms calc time, really slow too

MSmits: just mcts bot

jacek: but you get randoms from mc, i meant to use it to your eval bot ;s

MSmits: ow

MSmits: damn i should have seen that :P

MSmits: 65% WR vs recurse

MSmits: but this happened before when i had this bot a year ago

MSmits: it just sucked against everyone else then

MSmits: should have sticked with evalbot then, abandoned it too soon

MSmits: yay ended 4th

MSmits: 0.01 above jacek :grin:

jacek: :rage:

MSmits: karliso is my true nemesis though. He is not NN, but still wrecks me

MSmits: i still dont know what he does to have a bot this good

MSmits: it's not his random rollout. That's fairly basic

MSmits: (he shared it)

jacek: or trolled sharing it

MSmits: did not seem like it, but anything is possible

j4at: jacek send your lash of Bots

j4at: clash of bots simulation :p

karliso: oh hi

jacek: oO

jacek: j4at yeah movement and collisions are tricky

jacek: i just reimplemented it from referee

Astrobytes: nice work MSmits

MSmits: thanks :)

jacek: oh look, its the onitama guy

MSmits: hey !

MSmits: long time no see karliso

karliso: yes, finally got a job

MSmits: congrats!

jacek: at UTTT factory?

Astrobytes: grats!

j4at: Yeah I finished but found out that mine calculates damage incorrectly

j4at: Should read the referee

j4at: collision damage*

karliso: ty :)

MSmits: I was just talking about you. I made a uttt bot with no random rollout. it is better, but still loses to yours

karliso: But still mcts?

MSmits: it's selection expansion, then evasl

MSmits: eval

MSmits: uttt is notoriously hard to write good eval for, but i got it to work finally

karliso: somehow recurse managed to keep nr1 even though I thought my bot stronger.

MSmits: maybe other players push him up more

karliso: Perhaps people test vs me more and I provide more variety?

MSmits: thats for sure true, those nn bots are usually very deterministic

MSmits: my eval bot is too. I change 1 param and my bot goes to :poop:

karliso: Really nice. Did you automate param-fitting?

MSmits: no, i suck at this. I need to make a GA framework for it

MSmits: i dont have many params left though, this is almost doable by trial and error

karliso: So hand made eval, impressive.

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: i implemented your rollout and many variations of it btw

MSmits: but it was never better for me. I think your random rollout is not the best part of your bot

MSmits: i think your expansion function is really good

karliso: Probably. I learned a lot how to tune MCTS, there are definitely tricks I have not shared.

MSmits: oh, tune? You mean like UCB1 alternatives?

MSmits: I never got into those

karliso: I use UCB1, but params are fitted obviously.

jacek: more like tune C and FPU etc?

jacek: or maybe even... RAVE? :scream:

DomiKo: someone can implement RAVE? and not got like 20x less rollouts?

jacek: welp rave is pointless in uttt. too restricted moves

j4at: jacek how collision damage works I'm too tired to read the source code

jacek: is it about damage only?

j4at: yeah

j4at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNc9TmnI7M

j4at: I don't understand the 2 to the right

jacek: it collides with in front of him, back from him and the left

j4at: what about the last one to the right it collides with 2

jacek: hmm you got me

jacek: the referee uses some graph and resolves at the end only

jacek: i reimplemented it mindlessly, i wonder if my sim is ok :thinking:

j4at: hehe

j4at: The referee is very bad :) compared to my super optimized sim

jacek: at least its not java...

j4at: I'm not talking about readability but okay

j4at: so send me your sim ? please :grimacing:

jacek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm3YgoEiEDc

DomiKo: we all know

j4at: lol

Astrobytes: must be the first time I ever saw someone asking for someones sim lol (other than the DMs with "i'll pay you X for your bot") :D

j4at: Bruh i'm using NN the sim is the least important part

jacek: but thats different link?

Astrobytes: use the referee then

Astrobytes: (as it is I mean)

j4at: Well, I will need to do some digging to compile it + remove extra parts

j4at: But I don't want to bc very boring

Astrobytes: well sometimes boring stuff has to be done :D

Astrobytes: shouldn't take long anyway

j4at: NO

j4at: I prefer to finish my python sim

j4at: after I find out how collision works

jacek: python? and youre talking about performance :v

Astrobytes: lol

Astrobytes: don't think the sim has to be that performant tho

j4at: O(n) in python is faster than O(n2) in kotlin

j4at: I was talking algorithmic wise

j4at: not "performance"wise

Astrobytes: just rewrite the kotlin sections that need optimising

j4at: Nah I did it for fun I don't need to optimize it

j4at: + I already paid jacek

Astrobytes: lol

struct: mentioning python and performance should be a banable offence

DomiKo: 100% agreed!

DomiKo: struct how are Cyborgs going?

struct: slowly

struct: I have no idea what to do

struct: Im coding sim and hope it does something

DomiKo: yeah me too, I read forum a bit

Astrobytes: #winning

jacek: hmm i tried that case. i think my sim is bad o.O

j4at: I bet my live that my sim is faster than jacek's c++ sim .I.

jacek: ahh wait, its alright. i tested wrong

struct: I could write a c++ sim without worrying about performance it still would be faster than python sim

struct: I'm sorry

Astrobytes: *sorry not sorry

DomiKo: xD

struct: or maybe I just don't know python

struct: and I'm wrong

DomiKo: you aren't

jacek: imprt struct

jacek: import

jacek: :s

struct: last time I checked (10 seconds ago) there wasnt any python bot in uttt legend league

Astrobytes: even with cython or whatever it'll be less efficient and slower

jacek: 1 rust in top10

jacek: 26th c# oO

struct: C# has release mode

struct: so does rust

struct: and performance of rust is similar to c++ I think

jacek: but its marchete could be c++

DomiKo: C# => system(g++ ..) ?

DomiKo: they it is C++ 100%

MSmits: there is a javascript in uttt legend

j4at: you aren't but the algorithmic side matters a lot. Saying that the referee is faster than my sim is like saying that bubble sort in c++ is faster than mergesort/timsort in Python.

MSmits: but noone can stop you from submitting js if you got to uttt legend with another language

Astrobytes: C# can be fast if you know what you're doing

Astrobytes: not *as* fast as rust/c/c++ but faster than java

jacek: j4at we are talking about the same algorithm

Default avatar.png Ralkey: why are the test cases so slooooow

jacek: they dont know the referee obviously

TimeEngineer: Is that normal UTTT bots play so bad :') ? I want to give my first heuristic lol

TimeEngineer: own*

TimeEngineer: Idk why I wrote first

struct: Only top plays well

TimeEngineer: Do they ?

struct: what search are you using TimeEngineer?

struct: I would think so

MSmits: every bot in legend plays well really

MSmits: even top 10 can lose to a rank 100

Astrobytes: he's using DQN iirc

TimeEngineer: I have just checked Recurse and Jacek bots

struct: its hard for a human to tell what's happening imo

struct: I never watched my bot play

Astrobytes: other than glaring mistakes yes

jacek: top bots will lose mostly as p2 against much weaker bots

MSmits: yes mostly

MSmits: struct uttt is not that difficult to follow. Somewhere midgame both players will have 2 in a row on many miniboards, but they have to avoid giving away free moves and sending opponent to a winning board

j4at: jacek if you say so. fixed my sim :)

MSmits: it's just difficult to look several moves ahead, but thats true for many games

MSmits: i find oware much more difficult to follow

MSmits: i can look 1 or 2 moves ahead, but then the seedcounts start to go fuzzy

jacek: j4at :tada:

Default avatar.png Cambech: je crois qu'il s'est tromper de channel ^^

jacek: :no_mouth:

jacek: sudden spike in uttt submits recently

struct: and c4

struct: darkhorse got to rank 4 there

MSmits: mostly my fault :P

jacek: bu he submitted on 1st jan :?

struct: he got pushed

struct: from 11th+-

Astrobytes: hm, 28th > 18th on BT, I'll take that for now

struct: nice

struct: minimax?

Astrobytes: yeah ofc

Astrobytes: crazy negascouty with something that I don't understand and some other bits

Astrobytes: I did a rewrite with my alt but it doesn't work as well so gonna have to take this one offline I think to understand properly

struct: astro try to score your pawns that are on corner a bit lower

struct: the ones at the 1st row

struct: so a1 and h1

Astrobytes: hehe, yes was trying that earlier

Astrobytes: I have it written down so I don't forget. I only meant to modify the algo a lil bit and ended up getting stuck here all afternoon

Astrobytes: all my back rows scoring needs work tbh

jacek: so you made some breakthrough in bt

Astrobytes: at least I wreck MSmits

MSmits: I'm honored to be wrecked

MSmits: just to be clear, i didnt just put some random crap bot on there, I actually tried :P

Astrobytes: It's an extremely tough top 20 in BT

MSmits: it's extremely tough in most boardgames, but this game doesn't click with me somehow

jacek: "I only meant to modify the algo a lil bit and ended up getting stuck here all afternoon" oh my

Astrobytes: It's one of my favourite games

MSmits: Yeah, that's the sad part for me, i really like it too :P

jacek: at least you can somewhat say whats going on

MSmits: you sure can

Astrobytes: indeed

Astrobytes: you use EPT on this MSmits?

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: same as what i do now on uttt

MSmits: except i dont know how to eval bt

Astrobytes: if you can eval UTT effing T you can eval this

MSmits: but i am not the only one that has that problem. struct complains about it a lot. He is just more persistent

MSmits: I understand uttt better :P

jacek: no human can understand it

MSmits: well, i cant follow the game better than i do bt, but i know better what is a good gamestate

MSmits: and thats what you need for an eval

jacek: so much gap between 4th and 5th, and 2nd and 3rd

Astrobytes: BT has a lot more going on, that's true

MSmits: uttt is easier to split into separate chunks and eval

MSmits: the game rules do this for you

MSmits: bt is an interconnected mess

Astrobytes: you can still split some parts

MSmits: yeah but the parts depend on the current gamestate do they not?

MSmits: they are not fixed regions

struct: There are some fixed regions

MSmits: pawn a is connected to b is connected to c etc.

MSmits: it's messy, at least to me

Astrobytes: well, the top and bottom of the board are always important, the middles important, the edges are important etc etc

MSmits: sure

struct: a pawn on 6th row always requires 2 pawns defending the attacked squares

jacek: attacked pawn is different if its also defended

MSmits: my head already hurts

MSmits: gimme my crosses and circles

Astrobytes: not as bad as mine did whilst trying to understand my 9 months untouched eval earlier

Astrobytes: also it appears I used bextr in this game

struct: for what?

Astrobytes: applying and undoing moves

Astrobytes: maybe elsewhere, didn't look

Astrobytes: donno if it was faster or anything, might just have been an experiment

struct: ah dbd bot is broken

Astrobytes: yeah it crashes on first turn, very annoying

jacek: rust eh

Astrobytes: :D

TimeEngineer: I didn't understand the rules of the game :(

BlaiseEbuth: You lost.

TimeEngineer: Now I do

jacek: which game

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: so this is weird the compare (>) failed 2 ticks????

jacek: ?

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: i have a compare if statement and it didnt execute only after 2 more iterations

TimeEngineer: UTTT, I didn't know that you should play where the opponent has played :sweat_smile:

jacek: what puzzle?

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: does it matter? its the Mars Lander

jacek: well is there any error or warning? about getting all inputs and outputs right?

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: no it works fine... but the if statement gets executed not at the correct time its just plain weird

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: i have for eg: if a > b: start_burn()

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: a is bigger than b (according to debug) but it still loops 2 more loops to start the start_burn() function

jacek: show us the whole code?

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: here?

jacek: i.e. pastebin.com

Astrobytes: ^

Astrobytes: auto pastebin is broken

MSmits: https://pastebin.pl/

MSmits: better ping for jacek

jacek: perl?

MSmits: perl?

Astrobytes: .pl

BlaiseEbuth: oO

MSmits: jacek... it's your home

MSmits: you live there

Astrobytes: .pl is a perl file extension

BlaiseEbuth: pony land ?

MSmits: indeed BlaiseEbuth lol

Astrobytes: hahaha

jacek: hmm

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: https://pastebin.com/yDVjsSQX

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: i wrote a description of whats weird...

jacek: def start_burn():

   while True:
       print("0 4")

jacek: loop in a loop?

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: yes it terminates when touching the surface...

BlaiseEbuth: loopception

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: the code works but it just gets executed late...

Astrobytes: I'd reconsider those loops

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: i was thinking ahead of time for next ep:

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: it will be

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: def start_burn():

   while radio_y > surface:
       print("0 4")

loop in a loop?

jacek: firstly, you are meant to print once per loop, so no loops in start_burn()

MSmits: well at least no more than a single print

jacek: and you are error printint only v_initial, what is the value of v_speed?

BlaiseEbuth: vspeed is -45, -47, -49 in the output

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: vspeed is printed out out with the console so...

jacek: oh, ok

BlaiseEbuth: so condition is false

BlaiseEbuth: abs(-45) >= 62

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: its 42 not 62

BlaiseEbuth: Ah yes wrong line, my bad

jacek: but hey, this one works. after vspeed = -45 you are printing 0 4

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: at 45 im printing 0 0

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: at 47 im printing 0 4

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: i figured it out its just different reporting from console and input it has a small difference

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: ill send u screenshot

BlaiseEbuth: Anyway that loop is a bad idea

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: https://prnt.sc/lNF-kfkQECzs

jacek: the -45 is is from next frame

BlaiseEbuth: ^

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: why would it matter tho? it just breaks/forgets the initial loop and continues looping

jacek: Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: no its from same ^ i checked

BlaiseEbuth: You don't read the following inputs

Astrobytes: cause you're in that loop

jacek: frankly im surprised it works. you are messing with the inputs with that looped print

Astrobytes: maybe, I donno, I'm busy, ignore me

MSmits: LambdaTiger for every time you read 1 set of inputs, you have to give 1 output

MSmits: if you give multiple outputs before your next input set, you messed up

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: ahhh @MSmits makes sense

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: my entire logic doesnt work then

Astrobytes: correct

jacek: Astrobytes busy with that 29th rank?

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: need to make a simple bigger than smaller than

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: wanted to burn efficiently

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: sad :(

BlaiseEbuth: :zipper_mouth:

jacek: your entire logic doesnt make sense, but it works ;V

MSmits: yeah first make it work, then make it better

Astrobytes: jacek: just some stuff from the other bot that I wanted to try out

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: hahahaa its meant to calculate at full burn to land at specific v/s

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: but since with each input i need an output it wont work as planned

MSmits: you can do as many loops as you want to calculate stuff, just as long as you only give 1 output before the next inputset

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: deal ^ @MSmits

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: thnx @all

Astrobytes: is this ML1?

BlaiseEbuth: *And read inputs

MSmits: you can for example calculate the next 10 moves, but you only output the firs

Astrobytes: ML1 or ML2?

jacek: MLP

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: oki guys worked as I intended with 1 output for every input

Default avatar.png LambdaTiger: thnx again

jacek: :tada:

PatrickMcGinnisII: I been trying my damndest to get out of wood3 CTTT

PatrickMcGinnisII: i can't do more than a depth 8 minmax on endgame

DomiKo: draw trick?

PatrickMcGinnisII: yes

MSmits: depth 8 is pretty impressive on php

PatrickMcGinnisII: it's 40k endgames

MSmits: do you use ab pruning?

PatrickMcGinnisII: no, it was slower

Astrobytes: That's not right

MSmits: no thats weird

MSmits: it can be slower ofc, but you still get deeper

PatrickMcGinnisII: and it just gave me win/loss/draw ... not score diff

MSmits: ab pruning can give score diff

MSmits: if not, you're doing it wrong

Astrobytes: ^^^^

PatrickMcGinnisII: i reworked the minmax

MSmits: better to just copy the algortithm straight off the wiki, thats what i did

MSmits: but i prefer negamax

MSmits: also straight off the wiki

MSmits: it's quite good

Astrobytes: un-rework it Patrick

PatrickMcGinnisII: the next depth is 362k nodes ... don't think i can trim enough is the issue for ab

MSmits: ab doesnt work that way, it's not gonna encounter most of those

struct: DomiKo the game is a proven draw

Astrobytes: yeah, defo doing something weird there Patrick

struct: so you just play drawing moves until opponent makes a mistake and you can find a win

DomiKo: yes I know

MSmits: mirrored moves

struct: To draw you just need to mirror opponent move

struct: ah ok

DomiKo: that why I was asking

Astrobytes: he knows struct, that's why he asked if he was using the draw trick :D

DomiKo: if you win first half, then you make draw on second one, that's a trick

PatrickMcGinnisII: I also found that if u go first, a move of 3 3 is better than anything else apparently

MSmits: better trick: Do draw on both halves and keep a minimax running. When it solves, you stop copying and do best move instead

MSmits: the only reason not to do this is when you're at the top of the leaderboard

PatrickMcGinnisII: i meant 2 2

DomiKo: MSmits I tried doing it and it didn't work :(

MSmits: what went wrong?

Default avatar.png Sraiti: does anyone understand's the There is no Spoon - Episode 1


DomiKo: for me it's hard to find when you should break the draw

NewCoder09: Hey guys does anyone know when Wontonimo was on last?

MSmits: why is this hard? You minimax to end of game. If you run out of time, you didnt solve it

DomiKo: if I break it too soon I often lose, but too late then you have too many draws

MSmits: if you dont run out of time, you solved it

DomiKo: to the end LOL

MSmits: yes to the end

MSmits: thats what i do

DomiKo: I tried doing it with MCTS

Default avatar.png Sraiti: anyone ?

MSmits: that works too, either you solve or you dont

PatrickMcGinnisII: when storing partial gamestates i can't get to 40k, but I'm sure the partial minmax everyturn would get deeper

MSmits: jus tmake sure your solver is good

MSmits: i dont store gamestates when doing minimax, unless i do some kind of transposition table

Default avatar.png Sraiti: okie

MSmits: why store states PatrickMcGinnisII?

MSmits: i guess TT migth be good here

MSmits: but do it lossy, just store however many is efficient

PatrickMcGinnisII: oh your idea of running searches in 'background'

Astrobytes: depends on game

MSmits: searches in background? Not sure what that is

Astrobytes: why are you storing gamestates?

Astrobytes: in minimax?

Astrobytes: that's insane

PatrickMcGinnisII: no I'm not, I'm talking about going deeper by spanning the search between moves

Astrobytes: explain better

struct: is it bad to store the state on minimax?

MSmits: it is only good if you use transposition tables struct

Astrobytes: as a hashed value

struct: oh I missunderstood

MSmits: theres no such thing as "reusing the tree" in minimax, unless it's TTT

MSmits: TT

struct: I thought you meant copy the state instead of undoing the move

MSmits: ah no thats fine

MSmits: it's convenient to copy it

NewCoder09: struct do you know when wontonimo was last on by any chance

Astrobytes: sure, depends on the game

MSmits: but that copy only has a lifetime of the function

struct: like 3/4 days ago

jacek: about week or 2 weeks ago

NewCoder09: alright

struct: or a week

Astrobytes: 3 or 4 days ago yeah

NewCoder09: been trying to get ahold of him guess i just miss him by like an hour or something

jacek: have you tried discord

NewCoder09: yeah

Astrobytes: but did you use the principia discordia

MSmits: didn't Newton write that?

Astrobytes: No

MSmits: he could have

jacek: dunno, im not physicist

MSmits: dude was smart

PatrickMcGinnisII: damn, i have an error, but it's not in the search

PatrickMcGinnisII: forgot to empty the board after first game, so my eval function returning bad numbers, wth

MSmits: empty the board?

MSmits: undo should restore any changes to board

Astrobytes: something is wrong in your implementation I think Patrick

MSmits: I agree, you say weird things that don't fit with how i think minimax works

PatrickMcGinnisII: u said keep minmax running while doing the mirroring

MSmits: yes

MSmits: but you do a new search every turn

MSmits: if it fails, just mirror

MSmits: if it succeeds, play best move

MSmits: you dont keep stuff between turns really

PatrickMcGinnisII: I can't measure time like u guys can

MSmits: why not?

Astrobytes: ?

PatrickMcGinnisII: it varies by +/- 10ms consistently

MSmits: just use 40 ms then,

PatrickMcGinnisII: the time checks cost time

Astrobytes: that seems an irrelevant concern right now

MSmits: then dont do them every iteration

PatrickMcGinnisII: it's a catch 22

j4at: phph ?

j4at: php*

PatrickMcGinnisII: I have an if statement that is refusing to work

PatrickMcGinnisII: if (($turn%100)==0) {

PatrickMcGinnisII: resets everything for next game

MSmits: if ((rollouts & 15) == 0) is what i do in uttt

MSmits: but can make the number larger i guess

MSmits: 255 should be safe too

Astrobytes: every game ends at that point?

MSmits: no, this is a whole rollout

MSmits: game end is irrelevant

Astrobytes: at Patrick

MSmits: oh ok

Default avatar.png Sraiti: can anyone please explain There is no Spoon - Episode 1 to me

PatrickMcGinnisII: u know it swaps first player and plays again

Astrobytes: @Sraiti: the spoon is not there. It does not exist

Default avatar.png Sraiti: matrix reference

Default avatar.png Sraiti: Nice one

PatrickMcGinnisII: crap, figured it out .. i increment the turn counter after the opp move, smh

PatrickMcGinnisII: so if I'm player 2 ... it never resets the board

Astrobytes: make sure that's not the global turn counter

PatrickMcGinnisII: works fine as player 1

Astrobytes: search depth + turn counter is gonna mess the fuck out of your regular turn count

Astrobytes: *feck

PatrickMcGinnisII: issue wasn't in the search

Astrobytes: something still seems odd with your search though

PatrickMcGinnisII: the games i was losing is when the ref chooses me as plyer 2

PatrickMcGinnisII: board wasn't resetting

PatrickMcGinnisII: dumb

PatrickMcGinnisII: so when playing in ide, i never switched sides and tested it

NewCoder09: i finally added simulation to mad pod

struct: nice

DomiKo: cool

Astrobytes: is it less mad now?

NewCoder09: yeah

DomiKo: lol xD

struct: now run random search with simple eval

Astrobytes: return (pod->state == MAD) ? -1 : 1;

**PatrickMcGinnisII <=> CRAZY = +1

PatrickMcGinnisII: pulling wood3 boss down now

**PatrickMcGinnisII knocks on wood

PatrickMcGinnisII: still think depth 8 isn't enough... need at least 11

NewCoder09: Ranked number 1 in gold league all i need to do is get passed the boss now

NewCoder09: past*

struct: looks good

NewCoder09: past the boss now

Astrobytes: :tada:

struct: what search are you using?

NewCoder09: and im back below him

Astrobytes: and what search are you using NewCoder09?

PatrickMcGinnisII: You've made it to the next league.

struct: grats

Astrobytes: I'm still concerned about your searching but grats :)

struct: i meant grats for patrick

struct: I think he got promoted

Astrobytes: I meant for Patrick too

PatrickMcGinnisII: it's running wood2

struct: just my poor understanding :p

PatrickMcGinnisII: gained 140 ranks so far

PatrickMcGinnisII: oh maybe it's only 70

struct: you seem to lose some games patrick

PatrickMcGinnisII: 8 out of 50 loss so far

PatrickMcGinnisII: now i'm stuck at #1 in wood2... this freakin game

PatrickMcGinnisII: now i went 9 wins to 2 losses against boss ... would it do any good to resub and try to pull him down?

struct: yeah

struct: The boss probably had 28+ points patrick

PatrickMcGinnisII: reviewing losses

Default avatar.png LazarAngelov: Hello guys

Default avatar.png LazarAngelov: how are you ? :)

PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, looks like I make mistakes just b4 search starts ... I go off mirror moves at turn 89 ... and search doesn't start until move 91 ... so this 1 round gap usually gives me more score ... but not all the time apparently

Astrobytes: :zipper_mouth:

PatrickMcGinnisII: boss went down 1.3 on that submit

PatrickMcGinnisII: i know i know, i could explain tho... when i go first i leave a mirror 'hole' ... and sometimes that hole scores very high compared to the mirror move eval

PatrickMcGinnisII: pshed 1 bot out

PatrickMcGinnisII: pushed 3, loggin off

Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: fix your Green Circle instead

struct: this heat is killing me

Astrobytes: chill

struct: not here

Astrobytes: we only got about 24

struct: 24º?

Astrobytes: in my room rn its 29

struct: damn

Astrobytes: yep

Ayza: you'd die here :slight_smile:

Astrobytes: It's nice

struct: I dont have a reader

struct: it feels like 35+ inside

Astrobytes: I'd prefer 37-40

struct: thats crazy

Astrobytes: depends where you are

Inferno_dragon: what unit celsius?

Astrobytes: In Greece that was nice

Astrobytes: C yes

struct: yes celsius

Ayza: averaged 39-40+ here on summer

Inferno_dragon: Some time my room í 41

Inferno_dragon: or even more

struct: its 2:40am here

struct: thats the problem

Astrobytes: I'm Scottish but not made for SCottish climate, London summers were like 36-37C, now I get 24C max

Inferno_dragon: how could you stay that late struct?

struct: because its too hot

Astrobytes: same struct, its about 20 outside but that's nto why I'm awake though

Inferno_dragon: you could sleep

Ayza: 20 would be considered kinda cold for me

Ayza: I prefer around 30+

Astrobytes: me too

Inferno_dragon: I prefer under 20

Astrobytes: I prefer over 30 as long as I have a window

Astrobytes: window/door to open

Astrobytes: otherwise, without some airflow it can be hell.

Astrobytes: Also, the humidity level makes a difference

Astrobytes: regardless of temp

Ayza: true it does

struct: Must be broken

struct: But it explains it I guess

struct: https://i.imgur.com/E7N4knK.png

struct: High humidity is bad?

Ayza: yes

Astrobytes: it's not great

Ayza: according to google it's 55% in my city now

Ayza: not bad I guess

struct: the one that is live gives around 80%+ for my zone

Astrobytes: still harsh

struct: That's why it feels hotter at night I guess

Astrobytes: indeed

Astrobytes: only solution I ever found was sleeping naked on top of the bed

Astrobytes: open doors but closed screens

Astrobytes: I wish I still had this problem

NewCoder09: I just got done watching the new thor movie and i come back and it says i will be promoted to legend league

NewCoder09: yay

struct: grats

Ayza: congrats what game?

Astrobytes: oh your CSB, and which search algo is it @NewCoder09?

Astrobytes: (got some déja vu)

Astrobytes: if there is still no response then we know exactly which search algo it is

NewCoder09: ?

Ayza: Linear search

Ayza: :slight_smile:

NewCoder09: sorry i was doing something

NewCoder09: pretty sure i used linear

Wontonimo: "pretty sure" ? !?

struct: hi Wontonimo

Wontonimo: it's your code, you should be definitely sure

Wontonimo: hey hey struct! :wave:

Inferno_dragon: wait there is linear search?

Wontonimo: i have no idea what linear search is

struct: this is linear search

Wontonimo: 1 2 3 4 5

Inferno_dragon: sometime I don't know aglo i use math so i could say pretty sure

struct: for (int i =0 ; i < array.size(); ++i) if(arr[i] == target)return i;

Inferno_dragon: omg Linear search is a sequential searching algorithm where we start from one end and check every element of the list until the desired element is found. It is the simplest searching algorithm


Wontonimo: :100: struct

Inferno_dragon: that's js

Ayza: linear search is the first search you ever do by instinct

struct: maybe but just wanted to kinda show what linear search is

Inferno_dragon: well binary is better

Ayza: - definition by ayza

Inferno_dragon: I never use linear

struct: ofc but binary needs to be on a sorted array

**Inferno_dragon burp

Inferno_dragon: oops

Astrobytes: I'm just a little "concerned" about what newcoder is using for CSB

Inferno_dragon: but how mad could use linear

Astrobytes: Wontonimo: hey hey!

Ayza: I use linear search for all puzzles basically

Inferno_dragon: maybe math

Wontonimo: hey hey Astrobytes ! I missed you guys

Ayza: unless time matters

Astrobytes: where you been dude?

Inferno_dragon: like the resistance

Wontonimo: usually you log off right before I log in Astrobytes

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hellloooo

Wontonimo: oh, i've sadly lost interest in doing the puzzles and multis a while ago and just hung around for the chat ... then started to feel like an imposter coder

Astrobytes: ah, well, I've been logged in a lot recently but not awake, so I'll take your word on that :D

struct: I cant code on last new days

struct: I probably need a break

Inferno_dragon: or stalking with a new account

Astrobytes: Wontonimo: ah now, see that happens

Wontonimo: yup

Inferno_dragon: that's how alot of top delete their account

Astrobytes: but you come back

Wontonimo: ii've been talking with a couple people about NN's on discord though. that's been fun

Inferno_dragon: *why

struct: what doy uo mean Inferno_dragon?

Wontonimo: oh, NewCoder09 just ping'ed me about his bot in CSB

struct: do you*

Inferno_dragon: ah nothing

Astrobytes: we won't have much choice other than discord soon I guess

Default avatar.png HenroLST: GO ON STRIKE

struct: again?

Wontonimo: they've been saying that for a year

struct: didnt you see the forum Wontonimo?

Astrobytes: we did all that striking and whatnot

Wontonimo: no

struct: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/discussions-spaces-update-the-question-of-the-chat/196276/39

struct: pretty much 90%+ of the posts are against it

Inferno_dragon: if this chat dead i'm gonna out codingame

Default avatar.png HenroLST: no chat = sadness

Inferno_dragon: so bored

struct: So comment about it

Astrobytes: some really nice posts in there too

struct: Even if it's 2 lines or something

Default avatar.png HenroLST: inferno dragon < zap

Inferno_dragon: whwy you know that bro

Inferno_dragon: yeah gotta spam to save this chat

struct: not spam

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hm i just noticed do yall see my pfp?

struct: can still be cordial about it

struct: yes

Default avatar.png HenroLST: weird i cant

Ayza: I see the default pfp and my old pfp

Default avatar.png HenroLST: meh

Astrobytes: not currently, but this window has been open for days

struct: It will update eventually

Ayza: probably because its gonna get deleted

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ah

Ayza: this been my old pfp for a long time now I think

Ayza: will it ever update

Default avatar.png HenroLST: whenever automaton2000 allows it

Automaton2000: got it to work for me

Inferno_dragon: I thought this new was about a few months ago when thibaud first anouce this

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dang no need to flex

Inferno_dragon: before the spring according to my brain

Inferno_dragon: spring contest

Astrobytes: chat deletion has been a thing for at least a year or more now

Ayza: it's past the due time now

Ayza: maybe they are reconsidering it

Inferno_dragon: hope they won't delete it

Wontonimo: thanks for the link struct. it's sad. i'll believe it when it happens. and when it does it will be a sad day.

struct: it will happen

Wontonimo: hey, maybe we can add "?enableChat" to the url to enable it :smirk:

Inferno_dragon: cuz before the spring challenge there is a test on new account

struct: and discord will be a failure

Astrobytes: I doubt they are reconsidering, I believe the time to remove it without negative effects upon the rest of the site was underestimated is all

Default avatar.png HenroLST: perhaps

Inferno_dragon: that made those new account can't access to the chat

Inferno_dragon: I once made an account during that time

struct: yeah

Default avatar.png HenroLST: i made mine after spring challenge though?

struct: they made a test like that I think

Default avatar.png HenroLST: or was it mid way i forgot

Astrobytes: the 3 A/B tests

Wontonimo: it is a headhunting and recruitment company, not kaggle

Inferno_dragon: I need to level up in order to access the chat how sad

Astrobytes: not even that Wontonimo

Astrobytes: just recruitment

Inferno_dragon: maybe coderone want that?

struct: basicly they bought because of CG for work

struct: its the big companies way

struct: Buy the competition

Astrobytes: They could learn a lot from the topcoder model imo

Westicles: yeah, they see us whining about chat when they are talking about closing the site

Astrobytes: yeah, it's a slippery slope to the bottom

Inferno_dragon: yep

Inferno_dragon: I think Westicles right

Wontonimo: hmm ... how many times have I gone to the CG official discord channels this year? ... I have to try and remember if I even have. Oh, twice because someone messaged all moderators and I wanted the (1) symbol to go away from discord app

Default avatar.png HenroLST: thats the most annoying thing

Wontonimo: i didn't read what was said, just clicked it to make the notification go away

Astrobytes: Yeah, like I said in my forum post, most of us keep it on silent because of the spam

Default avatar.png HenroLST: just having one random noti

Ayza: cool trick, right click on the server and press mark as read

Ayza: don't even have to read the message

Astrobytes: "Mute" is better

Wontonimo: and which room would I go to for a casual hangout with the regular crew ?

Astrobytes: you're still in Shelter?

Ayza: I mute basically all servers

Wontonimo: yeah

Ayza: because I care about mentions only

Astrobytes: And I'm 'owner' of that so all good

Wontonimo: powned by Astro

Astrobytes: :D

Westicles: I just click the link above and have to put in a birthday every time

struct: the join discord?

Westicles: yeah

Astrobytes: you're not on that discord group

struct: I think they added verification to enter

struct: and captchas or something like that

Inferno_dragon: I rarely chat in Codingame discord

Default avatar.png HenroLST: theres a verification?

Ayza: I think it'll be easier to build an anti spam bot in discord

struct: for discord server, but im not sure

Ayza: I've built one

Ayza: that's one positive thing: bots

Inferno_dragon: Or rework this chat

Inferno_dragon: cuz discord really annoying

Inferno_dragon: I don't think some puzzle newbie could handle without help

struct: I wonder what the % of member will move from chat to discord

struct: 5%?

Wontonimo: Astrobytes and struct , have either of you been experimenting with any new algos lately? I've been chatting with jace about his latest NN adventures. Cools stuff. I've got nothing

struct: not really I still want to try NN

struct: But I cant code lately

Astrobytes: Other than improving my alphabeta variations no, not really

Wontonimo: densely connected network is what jace used in the last contest! It worked really well for him. It has surprised me.

struct: This is 1 thing I found that it might be interesting for NNs but i dont have 1

struct: http://eprints.fri.uni-lj.si/4033/1/Vodopivec.pdf

struct: check page 117

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hey is it possible to do a getline(cin, string) and somehow not pick up the spaces?

struct: Its like an improved UCB

Astrobytes: and I really should get my finger out my ass and start learning more about practical NN use

struct: That it works better for lower rollouts

Inferno_dragon: iff this chat die i will remember cg

Wontonimo: SARSA-UCT !?! that's cool

struct: dont think so HenroLST

struct: did you heard about it before Wontonimo?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: oof ok, thanks

Astrobytes: Wontonimo: jaceks DQN for that contest was epic, he really smashed that

Wontonimo: no!

struct: the winrate vs normal UCB looked interesting so I shared it

struct: maybe someone with NNs can make it work

struct: :p

Westicles: HenroLST just do while(cin>>s)

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ye but will it work if i want to distinguish different lines of input?

Inferno_dragon: thinking of heck

Astrobytes: montage of heck?

PewPewBewm: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/683b6899-3382-40fd-9cb8-f451ab398559

Default avatar.png HenroLST: im getting two lines on input it two different getline() and i was wondering if i could do both getlines with spaces removed, sorry about vauge wording

Westicles: you could tokenize it with stringstream, and I think there is a fancy way to do it with c++17

PewPewBewm: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1e9d00d8-fa38-4eb1-80fe-695daf5c96b9

struct: doesnt work pewpew

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ok, ill look into it westicles, thanks so much !

PewPewBewm: Also... if you can see this. Everything I type shows up as a pastebin link at this end.

Astrobytes: Right, I need a snack and then sleep. Assuming the chat is still here tomorrow I'll see you all later :D

Wontonimo: where is the post-mortem for the green circle ?

struct: only if its more than 5 lines pewpew

struct: gn

Wontonimo: gn

Inferno_dragon: still wonder how could westicle did 17.632 puzzle

PewPewBewm: ah okay. gn

struct: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/green-circle-feedback-strategies/196574

Astrobytes: https://forum.codingame.com/t/green-circle-feedback-strategies/196574/40

Inferno_dragon: gn

Astrobytes: dammit struct

Astrobytes: @D

Default avatar.png HenroLST: fare thee well

Astrobytes: :D

NewCoder09: Atsrobyte struct and wontonimo yeah i used linear search

Inferno_dragon: omg how checking every check point???????????????

Astrobytes: HenroLST: very appropriate for what I was listening to earlier

PewPewBewm: This invisible mouse code window thing is annoying : /

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hehe

Thorcode: python golfing dead in codingame really bad new for me

struct: why is it dead?

Thorcode: maybe Codingame kill the exec

Thorcode: oh nah

Thorcode: exec still alive

Thorcode: maybe Codingame only use latin

Westicles: 17.632 really? no wonder the backup took forever

struct: whats that number?

Westicles: I guess puzzles solved

Westicles: *27

Inferno_dragon: yep

Inferno_dragon: the puzzle you solved

Inferno_dragon: how

struct: number of puzzles * number of languages

Inferno_dragon: 27 languages 653*27 + 1

Inferno_dragon: cuz his c++ has 654

struct: yeah

struct: nintendo

Inferno_dragon: yep

Inferno_dragon: that's puzzle really trash only c++

Westicles: I used a linear search

Inferno_dragon: how could you solve that much Wontonimo

Inferno_dragon: oops wrong mention

Inferno_dragon: Westicles you have alot of spare time?

Westicles: yeah

Westicles: So much that I just made another stupid math clash

Inferno_dragon: but 27 lang 653 kinda insane

struct: he even had to learn D

Inferno_dragon: or has a lang transalator

Inferno_dragon: I think that's the best suit

Inferno_dragon: or he is a genius

Ayza: must be a language translator

Ayza: imagine the 100+ lines solution puzzles

Ayza: even so it's cool to have a language translator for this many languages

Inferno_dragon: so we must respect him

struct: he is indeed a genius

Inferno_dragon: cuz he has a language trans

Inferno_dragon: he made i think

Inferno_dragon: probably he is a genius

Inferno_dragon: like mark or elon musk

struct: is that the genius standard nowadays?

Inferno_dragon: or davinci?

Inferno_dragon: cuz this is the tech world not the standard genius

struct: ah

struct: so marketing genius

Inferno_dragon: ok

Inferno_dragon: i just compare genious in their world not orther world

Westicles: too bad france is asleep they would love this

struct: we comparing you to a genius Westicles?

struct: or comparing you to musk

struct: ahah

Westicles: any and all :P

Inferno_dragon: yep you are the controlversial topic with my friend

Inferno_dragon: even me

Ayza: compare him to me :slight_smile:

Ayza: ends up being a 0 for me and a 100 for him

Inferno_dragon: or compare him to a hecker

Inferno_dragon: a spy like euler

Inferno_dragon: for me euler like an agent and wes is i don't know

Inferno_dragon: still thinking about the language transalator

Inferno_dragon: that's seem cool

Default avatar.png HenroLST: huh

Wontonimo: gn

struct: gn

Ayza: gn

Thorcode: gn

Default avatar.png HenroLST: gn

Mortis_666: gn

eulerscheZahl: gn

Default avatar.png DrGarryRKatz: gn

Dapps: gn

StevenV: gm

NewCoder09: gn

N0np4w1t_0p4t: :yum: