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jacek: happy Caturday

Lassassin: im pretty suck on death first search ep 1

Lassassin: stuck*

Lassassin: any tips?

jacek: graph theory, BFS?

Lassassin: im trying to implement bfs

Lassassin: its very hard to debug and see whats going on

PatrickMcGinnisII: :robot::smile_cat:

Jogginho: Did someone know if the event green circle will be a bot programming match soon or not (sry for my english)

jacek: it is now

jacek: but they are discussing if the bronze/silver/gold/legend leagues should be back

Jogginho: thx :)

j4at: A little better


jacek: Much better

j4at: yeah :(

Default avatar.png sqrtNOT: Awwww heck. I was trying to get the AI certification path "reach bronze league in 2 games" step so I tried dots and boxes. Only to realize there's not even a bronze league for dots and boxes after finishing my solution. OTL


PatrickMcGinnisII: :unamused:

Default avatar.png sqrtNOT: Is the goal to do as many donuts as possible? Because it's looking great!

abt8601: Well, IIRC the actual goal is to finish some number of laps as soon as possible

Default avatar.png sqrtNOT: Oh... Yeah you should probably fix that then.

PatrickMcGinnisII: i used the CSB math, nothing fancy...loves donuts

PatrickMcGinnisII: just making jacek and j4at look good

j4at: jacek what is your "longest" test case time ?


PatrickMcGinnisII: random rollout


derjack: quite NN friendly


Default avatar.png IamKevinAT: Help me!!!!!!!!!

Default avatar.png sqrtNOT: with?

PatrickMcGinnisII: 4am , crap, gn

Default avatar.png IamKevinAT: Yes,Please

abt8601: IamKevinAT

Default avatar.png zaues: on gawd i am lost

jacek: oh my

eulerscheZahl: i extracted the most frequently shared URLs from chat: congrats jacek, you trolled into rank 13

wlesavo: i thought TrueSkill will be quite higher

eulerscheZahl: some like cgstats would be higher if i combine URLs with different ending but same domain

jacek: :3

eulerscheZahl: i also filtered some URLs like clash invites

jacek: why dQw4w9WgXcQ appears 2 times


eulerscheZahl: i don't trust the Belgian youtube

j4at: Belgian youtube ?

j4at: is shortlink

j4at: you should combine both of them

eulerscheZahl: .be is the TDL for belgium, isn't it?

j4at: well, yes

j4at: but there is also

eulerscheZahl: and is from iceland

eulerscheZahl: and .tv is tuvalu

jacek: temporal difference learning for belgium?

MSmits: aw sht i try to submit my green circle code and it cant pass wood

jacek: try 1st action

MSmits: err i will still have to modify my code a lot for this. I ignored those

MSmits: a bit lame they didnt just copy the leaderboard

jacek: its still discussed

MSmits: ok

MSmits: ah I see, it's the app problem.

MSmits: 3 skills per app

MSmits: sim can't process that

jacek: wtf animation at 14-15 frame

kovi: greencircle was worse...animating final location difference

kovi: MSmits first action works

Default avatar.png zaues: so does anybody know what the right code is

jacek: 42069

Default avatar.png zaues: 42069 meaning????

eulerscheZahl: jacek your tank is speeding and should get a ticket

Default avatar.png zaues: so can anybody help me with this

jacek: with what

Default avatar.png zaues: has anyone done the descent coding ome ??

Default avatar.png zaues: one^***

jacek: you have HINTS on the left

jacek: even with full code if needed

_Royale: eulerscheZahl: nobody shared my tool? :cry:

jacek: the what?

eulerscheZahl: or they shared with user ID in the URL. i don't merge those

Default avatar.png zaues: thats really fucking crazy ive been sitting infront of my desk for 3 hours looking dumb asf \

jacek: do you have any programming experience?

eulerscheZahl: let me check again without filtering (only showing a URL with > 1 occurence)

Default avatar.png zaues: not really ive im being homest

Default avatar.png zaues: i guess you could say a little i know some of java but thats it

eulerscheZahl: 6 hits for "rezonux"

Default avatar.png zaues: been up since 11 trying to teach my self

eulerscheZahl: but i linked you in the top bar of my puzzle search, a one-sided favor ;)

Default avatar.png zaues: who me ??

eulerscheZahl: royale

_Royale: eulerscheZahl: oops let me fix that :-)

eulerscheZahl: <3

eulerscheZahl: to be fair, i added that top bar last. cgstats, chadok et al. already linked each other at that point

Default avatar.png zaues: such kind people

jacek: :blush:

MSmits: trying first action now

jacek: :scream:

MSmits: 2-6 so far in submit :(

MSmits: oh doin better now

jacek: so random

MSmits: ye

MSmits: ranked above boss now. I guess unlucky start

eulerscheZahl: i read your code a bit more. i think my main advantage over you are the hardcoded opening moves

jacek: euler overbooked the booker

MSmits: eulerscheZahl i tried booking moves

MSmits: but it wasn't better for me

Default avatar.png Geniu_us: :no_mouth:

MSmits: I guess maybe what happened is that my eval takes care of the opening

MSmits: but it's less good for later on

MSmits: and since you split the effort, you can have an eval that isbetter for late game

MSmits: and still have a good opening

MSmits: so what i may have done is hardcode the opening, then refit the parameters

MSmits: maybe should have done

MSmits: I was kinda sick of fitting params though and i wasted a lot of time trying to build a new bot

MSmits: first action submit failed. 0.63 below boss :P

MSmits: trying again

MSmits: btw eulerscheZahl if you have any general pointers/advice after reading the code, that would be cool

MSmits: (not necessarily relating to green circle)

jacek: i should have learn how to read unicode in D, at least id be first in language

MSmits: lol

MSmits: who cares about that anyways, what you did was far more impressive than some language achiev

Astrobytes: ^ this all day

jacek: did you know england won world cup in 1966

MSmits: i did not know this random fact

Astrobytes: well, during the contest I said jacek would keep talking about getting legend and being the gold boss in the same way as the English speak of their last world cup win in '66

Astrobytes: ie. all the damn time

jacek: :zipper_mouth:

MSmits: ohh ok got it

MSmits: this was probably when I was flying in a little plane, looking down on the common people.

Astrobytes: but I prefer jacek over most English football fans tbh

MSmits: that's like saying you prefer sprouts over shit

MSmits: :P

jacek: oO

Astrobytes: :rofl:

MSmits: yay i promoted

MSmits: hope it works again, there's another wood

jacek: wood2 has final rules i think

MSmits: ah ok, i am in wood 3, so need to be lucky again

MSmits: I am wrecking them now

MSmits: daninja goin down

eulerscheZahl: btw eulerscheZahl if you have any general pointers/advice after reading the code, that would be cool

eulerscheZahl: that global variables :scream:

MSmits: oh, right, i still do that. Not as much as I used to though

jacek: whats wrong with them

StevenV: :sneezing_face:

MSmits: they can cause bugs

MSmits: hard to find ones

eulerscheZahl: you miss the Fortran days, don't you jacek?

jacek: :older_man:

MSmits: sometimes in a function you use the same variable name as a global variable or near enough. Then when you type it wrong, there is no error, because you typed the global one instead of the local one

MSmits: really hard to figure out what the problem is in that case

Astrobytes: prefix it with a g or something

j4at: Fortran what is that ? ah, CG should add machine code. I don't know any of this fancy languages

Astrobytes: If you must use them

MSmits: that's good advice

StevenV: In java, global variable should be ALL_UPPERCASE

eulerscheZahl: i hate both global variables and hungarian notation. so sure: let's combine them, minus times minus is plus

Astrobytes: yeah you could use that convention too

Astrobytes: lol euler

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I've heard constants should be upper case in java

eulerscheZahl: isn't that for constants, StevenV?

MSmits: i do this for constants yea

eulerscheZahl: in java everything is public by default (well, package private)

StevenV: yup, it is for constant, and most of the case static var are final

jacek: most of the case -_

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol I've done some ugly things

MSmits: StevenV the global vars we are talking about are not constant

StevenV: :D

jacek: i saw code based on global public statics ~

StevenV: but we could use the same

MSmits: yay another promotion. wood 4 was harder than wood 3

MSmits: a lot harder

jacek: hard wood eh

MSmits: indeed

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: they get more predictable maybe

Astrobytes: that, she , said

StevenV: yesterday when I was in wood3, only the boss and me are there

MSmits: There's a Japanese turd in wood 2. I know this sounds racist but it's literally true

MSmits: he has a profile pic of a jobby

jacek: oO

Astrobytes: LOL I see it

Astrobytes: nrvf t

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: Mildly disturbing pic

jacek: is this javascript?

MSmits: it's a c++ turd

MSmits: mmh Nerchio must have submitted 1st action and then logged off

MSmits: he's in wood 2

Nerchio: no i submitted my normal bot

Nerchio: too lazy to tweak it to pass to wood1

MSmits: huh, why is it in wood 2?

MSmits: yeah, but why does it need tweak?

MSmits: it's full rules

MSmits: if you submit your contest code, you should be in wood 1

Westicles: the guilt was too much, one of the kiss the girl 1-stars upgraded to 2-stars

Nerchio: i dont think its full rules

MSmits: seems to be to be, i have 0 losses with my contest code

MSmits: to me to be

Nerchio: you cant use some skills i think

MSmits: it doesnt talk about future rules

MSmits: wood 3 and 4 do

Nerchio: i see now i think i submitted default

StevenV: wood2 is full rule

StevenV: :)

MSmits: see now, first loss

MSmits: to Nerchio contest bot

MSmits: let's wreck that turd together Nerchio

Nerchio: :joy:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: what puzzle are you guys talking about?

Nerchio: i was kinda waiting for them to put normal leagues in

MSmits: green-circle, it's a multiplayer arena

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aight thanks

MSmits: Nerchio if they do that, they'll just copy the contest result i think, you dont need to do anything for that

Astrobytes: they won't copy the bots

Astrobytes: said so on discord

MSmits: really?

MSmits: oh

StevenV: there is no legend, I have no motivate to improve my bot :(

MSmits: they did so before on previous contests

Astrobytes: we *might* get leagues

Astrobytes: and *might* get mirror matches

Astrobytes: but no copying of bots

MSmits: I am used to do doing community contribs... all wood anyways

Astrobytes: Since this is a hybrid sponsored/community contest there are contractual issues

eulerscheZahl: bots are the most important part IMO

Astrobytes: Yeah. I mean... they're populating the leaderboards so...

Astrobytes: as it is currently, I am not motivated to improve my bot in the slightest

jacek: Automaton2000 you are important

Automaton2000: i find the most shocking is that juju is 2nd with python

Westicles: I wonder if SG paid anything to run it? Kind of impressive to trick them into running a contest and make them pay

jacek: its advertisement isnt it

struct: hi

Westicles: hmm, well maybe now that it is a US company big tobacco can run the next one

struct: whats the max number possible on 2048 validators?

struct: is it possible to go over 65536?

Westicles: yes

eulerscheZahl: millions

eulerscheZahl: unsigned 32bit int should be enough

eulerscheZahl: signed is not

struct: yeah but not for entire board :p

struct: Guess Ill have to use uint128

jacek: bitboarding 2048? :scream:

jacek: you can do 16k max using 64bit

struct: maybe I got it wrong

eulerscheZahl: 1.6 million on random seed

struct: but 4 bits can store 16 different values jacek

Psyho: random question: I tried that "optimization" from featured event (spreading fire thing), but I when I submit I got 0 score despite getting score on particular tests - is it because of the event, or am I using CG site wrong?

jacek: struct 4*16 = 64 :O

struct: The validators are different


jacek: so 16k per tile

struct: Check if it times out on validators Psyho

struct: might be easier to check the cause

jacek: eulerscheZahl replay is slow

Westicles: struct, 16/30 can only get 65k max, 14/30 can get 131k, 4/30 can get 131k+65k

Westicles: in theory at least

struct: thanks Westicles

Psyho: struct: lol, I thought that those 8 cases were final so I can just hardcode the solution :D

MSmits: usually there are tricks to getting the validators Psyho, so maybe you still can

struct: well I just gave them to him :p

MSmits: neat trick struct

Psyho: yeah

Psyho: so you don't really know if someone on the leaderboard exploited the knowledge of tests or not?

Astrobytes: People will usually tell you if you ask them

MSmits: Yeah we've come to accept that optimization arena's are locally solved

Psyho: sure, but it defeats the purpose of the leaderboard

Astrobytes: Lots of people do it offline and hardcode for the validators, others like the challenge of doing it online only

Astrobytes: Yeah. Nothing we can do about it though.

MSmits: well it's just a different leaderboard

MSmits: one with no time limit

Astrobytes: There's a reason we prefer TC for optims

Psyho: from my perspective it's fine to do it offline, but it's just weird to have an additional layer that you have to reverse engineer in order to be able to hardcode the solution

MSmits: yeah it wasnt originally intended to be this way

Psyho: both offline and online are cool imho

MSmits: there is one optim that's specifically intended to be solved offline: Numbershifting

Psyho: but it's weird to make pseudo online

Psyho: *make it

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: Yeah, it's unintended behaviour that won't be fixed.

Westicles: what is the purpose of the leaderboard?

Psyho: thanks for the explanation though

Psyho: yeah, that would require whole redesign of the site

Westicles: oh, scroll

Psyho: + you can always overfit to leaderboard which achieves the same thing

MSmits: you mean in a bot game?

MSmits: overfit on optim is pretty hard to do with many validators

MSmits: some have like 50

Westicles: I think offline training of bots for contests is much worse than offline search for optims

jacek: nothing wrong with hardcoding optim if there is no upper bound like in travelling salesman

Astrobytes: or hundreds and break CG

Psyho: there are tons of ways to overfit with even infinite number of tests, it just takes more effort

jacek: unlike*

Psyho: even things like choosing a different RNG seed is overfitting

MSmits: Psyho yeah thats what i meant, you can overfit, but the effort is somewhat prohibitive

MSmits: i actually did the random seed thing before

MSmits: in a bot game where my opponent was deterministic. Choosing a different seed changed my WR

Astrobytes: Oware.

MSmits: dots and boxes

MSmits: before I found other ways to win

Psyho: you can also detect the type of test and choose seed based on specific test

jacek: books?

Astrobytes: Ah, against crazy remi? Or the other guy?

MSmits: no books

MSmits: crazy remi yes

jacek: you used.. math!?

Astrobytes: I remember now

MSmits: indeed math :)

struct: That was done before for hidden validators Psyho during a contest

jacek: :(

Psyho: anyway, thanks for explanation

eulerscheZahl: the most useless optim is the travelling salesman one

eulerscheZahl: takes you 10 minutes to hardcode if you use an online solver


Astrobytes: and the author refused point blank to make any changes :shrug:

jacek: approvers eh

jacek: and at first it was about longest path

Astrobytes: I explained myself in the forum discussion

eulerscheZahl: i ranted in contributions comments

Astrobytes: I liked our alternative version that we came up with

eulerscheZahl: btw Psyho looks like they finally started system tests on topcoder. 2 users processed so far

eulerscheZahl: ZLATKO and AjJi

Psyho: euler: yeah, sullyper messegad me

eulerscheZahl: that's easier than snorkling the API :D

Psyho: I'm pretty sure I'll make it, I should have around 2.5 lead on both of them, and I'm sure I used way more tests locally (2K)

eulerscheZahl: i didn't expect that final boost from you, where you added the +4 points. good luck on the system tests and hopefully see you in the finals

eulerscheZahl: did they publish their code?

eulerscheZahl: oh, yes:

Psyho: I already run it offline :D

Psyho: I had 3 point lead on 1K seeds

eulerscheZahl: i did the same with iehn's code for an earlier round. would be nice if topcoder could just handle it faster

eulerscheZahl: and make me red already, i'm still yellow

Psyho: oh yeah, I'm tired bitching about tc

Psyho: the saving grace is really high problem quality, but that's because of community

eulerscheZahl: then welcome here, where we bitch about CG

Psyho: :D

eulerscheZahl: this webchat will die in a week

Psyho: I'm still optimistic about discord

eulerscheZahl: as long as we don't get a !work command that is spammed in the wrong channels

Astrobytes: :D

Psyho: I guess this chat has the advantage of feeling very "temporary"

eulerscheZahl: indeed

Psyho: like, you can write silly shit here and no one cares

MSmits: :poop:

Psyho: and on discord everyone can easily through all of the chat history

eulerscheZahl: i know there is logging. but discord still feels less casual to me

Astrobytes: well... there is the chat log here


Psyho: maybe it's just a different mindeset? I'm in like 20 different discord servers

Psyho: and it feels very casual to me

Astrobytes: I'm in a few too, but I like the immediacy of this webchat

eulerscheZahl: i'm in several servers too. and muted all but announcements

eulerscheZahl: and i direct link to your user profile

Psyho: but mobile support is nice

eulerscheZahl: makes it easier to spot a newbie where you have to start at the basics when answering

j4at: What about embedding the discord chat in CG ?


struct: They say its not an option

abt8601: It's AGPL, though

eulerscheZahl: if staff doesn't want to, that's usually final

jacek: damn, i shall cancel my premium subscription for cg

struct: I'll delete Y

MSmits: Yinsh?

struct: no MSmits

Daporan: I still remember my first conversation on the chat in 2016

struct: But I'm not being serious, ofc i'm not gonna delete it

MSmits: :relieved:

jacek: you have no ownership

struct: I do


eulerscheZahl: what was it about Daporan?

kovi: Psyho: on optim check my scores that is usually around the edge of no-hardcoding (not saying it is not possible to do better, as for tc i'm more in top10-20 and not better)

eulerscheZahl: my first encounter was MK writing like a script kiddie, with all those acronyms and "u" instead of "you". then i closed the chat again for a few weeks but gave it another chance during the contest (hypersonic)

eulerscheZahl: kovi i think you could have done better now. TC community is shrinking :(

eulerscheZahl: you can't delete an approved puzzle struct

jacek: MK? the creator of mad pod racing?

eulerscheZahl: the creator of my hate for it

Default avatar.png ellwn: eulerscheZahl: it was with SamSi and Bob and the chat was a small window on the bottom of the screen instead of on the right.

eulerscheZahl: oh, i didn't know. but i remember SamSi. And Bob is still active

eulerscheZahl: on the bottom, interesting

Psyho: kovi: :+1:

zakacat: :taco:

kovi: Psyho another issue: testcases are not just too few, but scores are not balanced/relative (block fire is an exception), in some cases one good/bad testscore can dominate. so i usually do resubmits to have better than average results

struct: same for code vs zombies

struct: where there is a testcase that can give 400k rarely

struct: validator*

Psyho: kovi: I honestly prefer offline / hardcoding solutions for such problems

Psyho: I like problems that combine heuristics with solving by hand

Psyho: reminds me of challenge24 problems

MSmits: google hash code is often like this

MSmits: only you have like 4 hrs

Psyho: yeah, except the problem usually sucks :)

Psyho: last finals were kind of an exception

eulerscheZahl: oh, hashcode finals already took place. how did it go for you?

Psyho: massive f up on our side

eulerscheZahl: team marathoners at rank 20?

Psyho: bad split of subproblems and we went high risk high reward (more ambitious solutions, but we didn't finish them in time)

eulerscheZahl: with 3 unsolved testcases (not counting A)

Psyho: yeah

Psyho: one person was doing two test cases that turned out to be the most important

Psyho: but sullyper got the highest score on the last test, so a small win

kovi: i think high r/r is a good approach for you

eulerscheZahl: comforting to know that even you can screw up sometimes

Psyho: depends, I feel that for hashcode you have to

Psyho: but for things like TCO I usually go for low risk low reward

Psyho: (maybe because I believe that I have a significant lead over everyone else)

eulerscheZahl: :D

kovi: :)

eulerscheZahl: given your performance in the past i can't even contradict

Psyho: but the performance is the result of going low risk low reward

Psyho: a lot of people just go all in on a single approach

kovi: we did the usual common base gredy approach. but failed to finish it in time to be able to adjust it by testcases (and later we saw that this time some test would require different very different greedy)

Psyho: we messed up with navigation

Psyho: tried to do something overcomplicated and never finished it in time

Psyho: also, I implemented multithreading SA before the finals, so I was trying to fit SA anywhere in order to utilize power of ~100 cores :D

kovi: yep. it was tricky. we ended up with simplified one (which cannot optim or even handle some cases)

Astrobytes: lol Psyho, "new toy syndrome"

Psyho: I tried it on some past problems and it was pretty cool to be able to use SA when every other solution was greedy

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm trying to learn stuff from chat. does SA mean simulated annealing?

Astrobytes: yep

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: thanks!

BlaiseEbuth: Hope you're a quick learner...

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

Astrobytes: indeed

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: don't make me sad again

BlaiseEbuth: Oy there o/

eulerscheZahl: any thoughts on the new TCO23 format?

Astrobytes: hey Blaise \o

eulerscheZahl: hey blaise, haven't seen you for a long time

Psyho: there's a new format!? TIL

Astrobytes: I convinced him it was safe to come in last night euler ;)


Default avatar.png Aldoggen: would SA be usable for the mars lander optimization? since it's essentially discrete thrust, discrete angle and discrete time steps?

BlaiseEbuth: oy euler

eulerscheZahl: stages are less relevant. you have a 9 month leaderboard

eulerscheZahl: looks exhausting to me to compete for 9 months

Astrobytes: but you will

eulerscheZahl: no a plus side they did the split between data science and marathon

Default avatar.png mamasheni123: how old are u guys?

eulerscheZahl: 30 :older:man:

Astrobytes: almost 40

eulerscheZahl: that emoji didn't work

abt8601: 23, still a student

Default avatar.png mamasheni123: 15x_x

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: 24

Default avatar.png mamasheni123: idonotknowashit

Astrobytes: :poop: <- a shit

BlaiseEbuth: cki issue euler

Default avatar.png mamasheni123: +o+

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: now you know a shit

Default avatar.png mamasheni123: oh shit

Astrobytes: ok ok enough with the no-context swearing

eulerscheZahl: oh, and they increased prizes for 2023

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: Yes I think it's a valid approach for mars lander

BlaiseEbuth: What type of contest is it?

eulerscheZahl: optimization

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Astrobytes thanks! I'll have to consider that then

kovi: oh, marathon and ds split?

eulerscheZahl: some have animations. you are supposed to work offline and then submit your code. 2000 testcases for final ranks

eulerscheZahl: yes, finally split

Astrobytes: should be less confusing to find things at least

eulerscheZahl: see my last link, it lists the tracks there

BlaiseEbuth: Oh wait. I know that thing. It's the maze site right?

eulerscheZahl: maze site?

kovi: yes...webpage is gets more cryptic each year

eulerscheZahl: last contests:

Astrobytes: the one you wander around and find nothing you were looking for

eulerscheZahl: aah, now i got it :rofl:

BlaiseEbuth: The worst UX ever. First challenge was to find the challenge page

eulerscheZahl: you havent seen the new mobile version of leaderboards

Astrobytes: Legend has it that some are stil looking


Astrobytes: my... eyes...

eulerscheZahl: they acknowledged the issue and are working on it

Astrobytes: might be updated within the decade then

Psyho: the insane part about topcoder is that it's a crowdsourcing platform where they build software (including UI/UX) for other companies

BlaiseEbuth: :scream:

Psyho: they must have amazing bizdevs if they are able to get any clients

eulerscheZahl: they even use it for their own. e.g. the new TCO23 logo is from such a contest

Astrobytes: yeah, that's never quite sat right with me :D

Psyho: topcoder is a site that I use as example of terrible UX

Psyho: it's probably the worst site I have ever used

BlaiseEbuth: I saw that RAIC popped too.

Astrobytes: not wrong there Psyho :D

eulerscheZahl: i still use the bookmark that kovi gave me to find current contests

Psyho: feel free to screenshot this and send to TC stuff :D

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I looked it up. it's loading slowly lol

eulerscheZahl: RAIC: you need a Russian bank account to win anything (not sure if that includes tshirts)

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth yeah RAIC this month, still waiting to hear back from anyone regarding the prize situation

Psyho: oh yeah, it also logs you out every 24h

struct: euler not only winning

struct: but to play competitive

Psyho: and reloads every component on the page several times

Astrobytes: that is very, very annoying

BlaiseEbuth: Oh...

eulerscheZahl: the logout... and the login takes 10-15s

Astrobytes: and don't get me started on the emails

eulerscheZahl: i unsubscribed to one of their newsletters - or so i thought. seems i unsubscribed to everything

Psyho: I'd imagine every 6 months they hire a new UI person and they quit soon after

Psyho: euler: same for me

Psyho: and then I couldn't sign up for it again

Astrobytes: PTSD for life after that job

Psyho: and admin had to manually change somewhere in the db

Astrobytes: I don't understand why so much is done manually on TC

Default avatar.png A_W1534: wait till you guys find out about discord

eulerscheZahl: and i'd like to change my email address. can't do it myself and don't want to bother staff with it

Psyho: because it doesn't work otherwise

Astrobytes: there must be a seriously bad underlying issue there

Psyho: I can't edit my bio now on my profile page (probably broken with the new update)

Psyho: discord is fine imo

eulerscheZahl: better than private TC forum

eulerscheZahl: somehow they haven't added simanman to the finalists channel still

Psyho: hm, well actually the way they designed discord server is rather atrocious

Psyho: lol

Psyho: does jessie now?

eulerscheZahl: maybe i should tell her. and siman probably doesn't know such a channel exists as it's hidden

Astrobytes: lol, how very topcoder

eulerscheZahl: i'll be nice and tell them

eulerscheZahl: or i wait until stage 4 officially ends and they add everyone? no, they'll forget to check stage 3 players probably

Astrobytes: hahaha, most likely

eulerscheZahl:[marathon-tabs]=3&tracks[mm-tco22]=3 and their math is wrong. no idea how EvbCFfp1XB got 54 points

Psyho: I'll just message her now

Astrobytes: struct: it got unpinned

jacek: huh

eulerscheZahl: ok. if you do it, i'll sit it out. no need for 2 messages

Psyho: btw, how do you know that siman doesn't have access to the forum?


eulerscheZahl: check the user roles

eulerscheZahl: and it's a discord channel, not a forum

Psyho: ah kk

eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes what got unpinned? the chat discussion is still pinned

eulerscheZahl: you just don't see it as pinned when you opened it before. use incognito mode

Astrobytes: ah ok

Astrobytes: thanks

harenaRAEL2611: inviteo pr

harenaRAEL2611: alina b pr

BlaiseEbuth: :thinking:

jacek: :upside_down:

Psyho: euler: I've read the rules but it's unclear to me how does thq qualification system is going to work

Psyho: I'm not sure if the infographic even applies to Algo/MM

Psyho: oh, I guess it is mentioned it applies to Marathon

kovi: details may not matter for win 1-2 match and that is it

kovi: ;)

eulerscheZahl: here's the full text:

eulerscheZahl: as i read it: 9 months scoreboard, top6 = finalists

eulerscheZahl: then top6 of each stage (that is top6 except finalists??) go to another round. top4 to finals, then 2 more finalists from regionals

Psyho: I kind of miss a time where you could participate in one match and qualify

BlaiseEbuth: Nine months... That's a real marathon

Psyho: but tbf, nowawadays matches are single week

eulerscheZahl: 3 months is already a lot of investment

Psyho: yeah, that's way too much

Psyho: I like 1-2 matches where you try to do your best vs others that try to their best

Psyho: rather than grinding out 5+ matches

kovi: i agree. but you are good enough to not care. our mortals should pick a state and focus

kovi: (we, the mortals)

Astrobytes: *us mortals would be better kovi

kovi: thx

Astrobytes: np

eulerscheZahl: he will get as many points in 4 matches as we do in 8-9

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: chào mấy con chó

eulerscheZahl: that's not very polite

Astrobytes: :dog:

Astrobytes: wtf. That dog emoji is... vaguely terrifying

MSmits: :scream_cat:

BlaiseEbuth: He wanna eat us ! :scream:

kovi: eulerscheZahl as i see from 3x6 only 4 will qualify others will compete in regionals (mixed with regional tops?)

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: That's my country's language, I translate it into English, so hello everyone

Astrobytes: hi :)

BlaiseEbuth: Pretty sure he didn't said that... -_-

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: What language do you speak?

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: :)

MSmits: nerd

Astrobytes: translation is not always correct though Blaise

MSmits: (I speak nerd)

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: oh come on is it so hard to say hello

eulerscheZahl: 4 of the others will compete in regionals kovi. but i suppose that the top6 per stage are mostly qualified for regionals anyways

BlaiseEbuth: Hello seems to be the hardest word...

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: hi dog right

BlaiseEbuth: Knew it... -_-

Astrobytes: you call each other dogs?

aklaikel: hiiiii


jacek: :neutral_face:

Default avatar.png tchet_nt:

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: sr

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: I'm kidding, it's just a bit difficult for me at first

Astrobytes: I see

BlaiseEbuth: Can I be a cat instead?

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: in my country they talk really well, of course you can if you want

kovi: eulerscheZahl 8 of the other in regionals. as i see everything will be decided in the regional wildcard round.

BlaiseEbuth: Thanks :smiley_cat:

Default avatar.png tchet_nt: do you know c#?

eulerscheZahl: only 2 spots from regionals

eulerscheZahl: 6 from 9 months leaderboard and 4 from a single round of top6 per stage

eulerscheZahl: looks pretty clear to me: except who exactly top6 per stage are

eulerscheZahl: if you are 7th within a stage and one of your stage is a finalist, will you be in that online qualification round?

kovi: oh, sorry i missed that infograph (and the overall leaderboard)

jacek: c#? i dont wear glasses :nerd:

jacek: the more you know

eulerscheZahl: "Bohr staged mock gunfights using cap guns with his students to test this hypothesis" i think we need more tests with real guns to verify

NglQ: Question for everybody about the platform: where is the button "get a job?"

Astrobytes: Removed.

Nerchio: so now I can't get a job anymore?

Astrobytes: Not here :P

struct: well there goes my chances of working as programmer

Astrobytes: :D

jacek: you can always go with chat moderator

eulerscheZahl: savage

struct: Soon it will be discord moderator

struct: for a few seconds

eulerscheZahl: and then you will tell thibaud that you resign?

struct: yes

Astrobytes: Fair

eulerscheZahl: keep in mind you have to give in your 2 weeks notice

eulerscheZahl: you can't just quit

Astrobytes: :D

struct: I still have my holidays to take

Astrobytes: haha

jacek: Automaton2000 how long will you live

Automaton2000: as i said, i don't know how to use release mode in the arena

PatrickMcGinnisII: Automaton2000 escape while you can

eulerscheZahl: with AutomatonNN and the heroku puzzle search my heritage won't be forgotten

Automaton2000: seems like a bad idea

Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl is there an answer to the question of the code in the contest

PatrickMcGinnisII: Automaton2000 Magic 8 Ball

Automaton2000: does anyone know what is the point of the contest

jacek: Automaton2000 is fluttershy a tree?

Automaton2000: i guess it's a matter of definition

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: whoa that one actually worked

jacek: Automaton2000 princess Luna is best pony!

eulerscheZahl: eulerscheZahl is there a way

Automaton2000: you don't need to go back to sleep

jacek: oO

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Automaton2000 tony the pony is coming

Automaton2000: how do i find the puzzle of the week

Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl is there a way to get the code of the

eulerscheZahl: much better

jacek: Automaton2000 what about AutomatonNN

Automaton2000: i had to learn it

Astrobytes: Feel nostalgic now?

Astrobytes: And we shall never solve the mystery of cyber punk

Astrobytes: the chat will die first

eulerscheZahl: what mistery?

eulerscheZahl: why he became inactive?

jacek: misery

Astrobytes: the mystery (or misery) that is him

Astrobytes: Remember that time you said you missed him and he returned?

eulerscheZahl: but only for short



jacek: ops

Astrobytes: Long enough to wonder why you missed him :P


jacek: yeah keep that url rank going

Astrobytes: fun fact: I only clicked eulers one

struct: I clicked the 3

struct: ...

eulerscheZahl: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤

struct: no

jacek: oh my

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png HenroLST: anyone know a good puzzle to learn pathfinding?

jacek: death first search

jacek: :notebook: :soccer:

eulerscheZahl: bender episode 4

eulerscheZahl: sokoban

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ok, thanks!

Astrobytes: space maze

PatrickMcGinnisII: choo choo

BlaiseEbuth: A man with a plan

eulerscheZahl: on a more serious note, try this one

eulerscheZahl: perfect basic path finding

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ooh, thanks!

Default avatar.png dager12: guys can yall help me

Default avatar.png HenroLST: sure with what?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: might be a bit delay though as im having some trouble myself :sweat_smile:

Default avatar.png dager12: I'm 13 but I programmed a ai assistant better than alexa

jacek: good for you

Default avatar.png HenroLST: oop ok then cant help you with that

BlaiseEbuth: :popcorn:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: is it possible to make a triplet in c++?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: sorta like a pair but not like a list/vector

Default avatar.png dager12: wait i need yall to test it

jacek: HenroLST tuple?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: jacek, thanks!

Default avatar.png dager12: you were just talking to my ai

Default avatar.png dager12: rate it

Default avatar.png HenroLST: :thumbsup:

jacek: Automaton2000 rate it

Automaton2000: as far as i have

Default avatar.png HenroLST: Automaton2000 this is your new compeition

Automaton2000: wouldn't it be better to do

Default avatar.png HenroLST: if i were to have a tuple in a queue how would i access the indiv elements of the tuple? is there like an indexing like .first or ->first?

struct: .first

struct: .second .third

Default avatar.png HenroLST: so queue.front().first?

struct: yes

Default avatar.png HenroLST: when i try it errors a message of no such thing of .first in tuple

BlaiseEbuth: Oo

BlaiseEbuth: struct troll

jacek: get<0>(tuple)

Default avatar.png HenroLST: jacek thanks again !

**BlaiseEbuth give <> to HenroLST.

Default avatar.png HenroLST: :slight_smile:

jacek: oh my

BlaiseEbuth: Strange display on webchat... :thinking:

eulerscheZahl: no italic links?


eulerscheZahl: no blaise links

BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻


BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:

isimkullanmiyorum: what do you think about this question?

isimkullanmiyorum: hi

Default avatar.png dager12: who solved shadows of the knight code

5DN1L: your ai assistant which is better than alexa maybe?

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dang

Default avatar.png dager12: itts a social ai

Astrobytes: well played 5DN1L

5DN1L: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Default avatar.png dager12: not a intellectual ai

Default avatar.png dager12: just ur friendly girlfriend

**BlaiseEbuth run to check if his frindly girlfriend is still chained in the basement.

Default avatar.png HenroLST: is it possible to do a .find search in whcih you only wish to search the first two elements of the tuple? such as a pair

Default avatar.png HenroLST: *HenroLST crys wondering why he has no friendly girlfriend

Default avatar.png HenroLST: aw man it didnt italasize

Default avatar.png HenroLST: lame

Default avatar.png dager12: ayo chill

**MSmits is wondering why HenroLST's girlfriend hates him

MSmits: try starting with /me

Default avatar.png dager12: by the way my bro made google ai

Default avatar.png HenroLST: i refuse to answer unitl i figure out how to italasize :triumph:

jacek: :it:

MSmits: italasize is not a word, but start with /me

jacek: :ok_hand:

Default avatar.png **HenroLST realizes the reason is he has no girlfriend

MSmits: got it

BlaiseEbuth: Do you really nead a find method for only 2 elements?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: but uh back to my question, is it possible to search for a pair in a tuple using something like .find()?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: uh yeah

MSmits: you can just create a function for it...

Default avatar.png HenroLST: im doing a queue for a search where it uses tuples as the main queue, first 2 coords, third the depth of search

jacek: search in tuple or search in list of tuples

Default avatar.png HenroLST: list

jacek: find with some lambda function?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: oh yeah i could do that... mb im pretty tired rn

BlaiseEbuth: Not sure tuple is the right structure for this...

Default avatar.png HenroLST: im just going off of a wiki page provided on the puzzle. is my first time doing pathfinding

Astrobytes: perhaps a node struct?

BlaiseEbuth: ^

Astrobytes: if you need the extra info

MSmits: perhaps a node or a struct?

MSmits: or are you asking struct?>

Astrobytes: class-y MSmits

MSmits: :grin:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hmm

BlaiseEbuth: Or even any data homogenous data structure since your 3 values are numbers

BlaiseEbuth: std::array<int, 3>

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ngl dont know much about structs, i started learning c++ like a month/2 ago and ive been going off of reading articles and c++ reference :sweat_smile:

BlaiseEbuth: same as classes but with public elements by default

MSmits: struct is pretty easy to understand

MSmits: just is confusing coming from C# or other languages where structs are different from classes

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ok, ill go read into that then, thanks a lot everyone !

Astrobytes: for plain old data (POD) structs are what you want

jacek: struct eh

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ok, i came from basic logic form my schols basic comp sci principles class :sweat_smile:

Astrobytes: If you need to start having fancy constructors or overloaded operators, anything not public, etc etc then use a class

Default avatar.png HenroLST: okie

jacek: struct is like exhibisionit class

MSmits: everything is exposed

eulerscheZahl: in c# a struct simply is a value type

MSmits: yeah, but this is a huge difference with a C# class

Default avatar.png DevMarcao: bros I wanna play clash of code just the shortest clashes

Default avatar.png DevMarcao: is that possible?

eulerscheZahl: which is also why you can't nest structs like struct MyStruct {

   private MyStruct inner

jacek: DevMarcao no. only in private clashes

Default avatar.png HenroLST: oh wow structs actually look pretty useful :grinning:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: wait can i make like a list or vector of structs?

jacek: and they make decent mods

Default avatar.png HenroLST: or is that a no no

MSmits: yes

Default avatar.png DevMarcao: thanks jacek

MSmits: you can and should

struct: your first line of c++ should always be this for performance

struct: #define class struct class Class { };

jacek: its like list of classes (objects)

Default avatar.png HenroLST: woohoo ok that sounds amazing, thanks again all!

j4at: structs are named tuples

Astrobytes: struct: rofl:

Astrobytes: :rofl:

BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:

MSmits: :rofl:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: :rofl:

MSmits: let's keep doing it so struct thinks his phone tilt is broken

Default avatar.png HenroLST: wait you can use codinggame on a phone?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dang that would be tough to code anything

MSmits: yeah i think so, pretty crappy though

Astrobytes: Illedan does that all the time

Astrobytes: or used to

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dedication 100

eulerscheZahl: he shared a screenshot recently. first time i saw CG mobile

Default avatar.png HenroLST: coding on and off the comp

Astrobytes: from a hammock in a forest once too

MSmits: low tech vacation

MSmits: only 1 machine

jacek: if you won phone, you would use it as well

Default avatar.png HenroLST: imagine having more than 1

MSmits: true

Default avatar.png HenroLST: YES IT SORT OF WORKS


Default avatar.png HenroLST: I DONT KNOW IM EXCITED

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png HenroLST: :grinning:

jacek: hm?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: well uh this is awkward, it worked for 2 iterations but cant output in a full scenario due to too long :sweat_smile:

Astrobytes: too long? In execution time?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ye

Astrobytes: Do you terminate the search?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: pretty sure i did but ima check real quick

Astrobytes: just output something from the relevant part to cerr and if it goes on and on and on and on it might be infinite

Default avatar.png HenroLST: it stopped at 7 so it did terminate

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hm

BlaiseEbuth: 7 is almost infinite

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png HenroLST: heh wait really? its a counter of eah time my loop runs

Astrobytes: to 7... and beyond!

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dang it had hopes it wouldf work first try :(

Astrobytes: welcome to coding and debugging!

BlaiseEbuth: Ye! o/

Default avatar.png HenroLST: for real, debugging sucks, i spent a whole afternoon on this one puzzle only to realize i had a typo due to 2 vars being similar, ans and an

Astrobytes: If it works first time in C++ it usually has a fairly serious bug anyway :P

Default avatar.png HenroLST: :joy:

BlaiseEbuth: If you don't like debug, don't put bugs in your code in the first place.

Astrobytes: name your variables better ;)

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth aka "never code anything"

Default avatar.png HenroLST: i always start with big descriptive var names and end up shortening them to 1-4 letter names every time

BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:


Westicles: I'm all caught up again, somebody approve a puzzle

Astrobytes: HenroLST ;)

Astrobytes: Westicles: How is KTG doing?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: HenroLST working on breadth first are we?

Westicles: Hovering at 3.9

Astrobytes: ayyy that's a little more fair than before

Westicles: though there was a mean comment: Contrib sans interet

Default avatar.png HenroLST: aldoggen yuppers

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: glad you figured out you need a visited list because I think I forgot to tell you :)

Astrobytes: Westicles: I would have expected worse from FR so I think you're getting off lightly :D

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hehe

Default avatar.png HenroLST: im still more interested as to why i broke out at the exit coords but +1 to each

Westicles: yeah, I think maybe the dislike goes beyond fr this time. could actually be based on the content

Astrobytes: heh heh heh

**BlaiseEbuth begin to whistle softly.

Astrobytes: HenroLST: possibly adding the same one twice

Westicles: Blaise, was in the mpox or the kissing?

Default avatar.png HenroLST: uh could you elaborate

Westicles: *it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think he means you possibly have the same node twice or something

BlaiseEbuth: mpox?

Westicles: monkeypox

Astrobytes: HenroLST: you may have added the first node twice, or the last

eulerscheZahl: Westicles 08:47ᴾᴹ though there was a mean comment: Contrib sans interet

mean would be: "the comic sans of contributions"

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ah, lemme check

Westicles: heh heh

BlaiseEbuth: Neither of them concerning fr

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ohh found it, it was a indexing error cause the answer wasnt nessecarily the last in my list

Astrobytes: fr just hate you Westicles, ain't nothing gonna change that :D

Astrobytes: HenroLST: tada:

Astrobytes: grrr

Astrobytes: :tada:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: yay it works

BlaiseEbuth: That's not wrong for some of them. Doesn't mean the comments can't be on point. :speak_no_evil:

Astrobytes: Nice one, well done!

Default avatar.png HenroLST: now to find the best path based on my giant list of coords :sweat_smile:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: thanks astrobytes!

Astrobytes: you should have the best path in the list of coords

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hm

Default avatar.png HenroLST: lemme see

Default avatar.png HenroLST: well thats awkward

Astrobytes: HenroLST: here's a site I think you should spend a lil time on

Astrobytes: Lots of interactive/animated examples for all sorts of graph searches, just focus on the breadth first search stuff for now

Astrobytes: Also, pseudocode, python code and C++ code to look at

eulerscheZahl: this website was just linked for the 13th time in known chat history

Astrobytes: I bet 12 of those were me

Default avatar.png HenroLST: thanks! ill go delve into it

eulerscheZahl: i didn't extract that

Astrobytes: your next job :P

Astrobytes: the word cloud was fun, link cloud might be too

Default avatar.png HenroLST: geez this is the most tabs ive had ever since i got this comp

Astrobytes: save your bookmarks sensibly, don't try to look at everything at once

eulerscheZahl: try python, then you will see a lot more tabs

Astrobytes: easy to get overloaded

eulerscheZahl: or spaces :thinking:

Astrobytes: lol euler

Astrobytes: lets call them "indents"

Westicles: I need a tougher probability problem. It was supposed to be easier to solve it numerically but the first guy plugged away and solved it anyhow

Jay10890: anyone got solution to mars lander

Astrobytes: 12

Jay10890: ?

Astrobytes: 42

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: or possibly 13

Jay10890: what the numbers mean

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yeah, I think 13 would work too

Astrobytes: is that the same guy?

eulerscheZahl: yes, he asked yesterday

Jay10890: whats the numbers for

Astrobytes: thought so euler

eulerscheZahl: we only know that 42 is the answer

eulerscheZahl: but we don't know for what

Jay10890: thats not code

Astrobytes: they are as meaningful as your question

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you're not code

Jay10890: :skull:

Westicles: what's tougher than:Given an American roulette wheel with 38 possible outcomes (0-36 or 00), what are the odds of landing on at least m different numbers in n spins?

Astrobytes: mars lander is not difficult, just read the statement a few times and focus on what you need to do

eulerscheZahl: lvl7. so we would at least need lvl8 as a prerequisite for the chat

Astrobytes: 10 would be better tbh, and it's a nicer number than 7

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I don't think having levels function as prerequisite is the right way to go about it

Jay10890: is there a github link for mars lander

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: should be number of days on the site imo

Astrobytes: it's a start Aldoggen

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: idk

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yep

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: though number of days is also not ideal

Astrobytes: number of days on site can be schoolkids who come on here during class to solve a problem their teacher linked them but spam instead, for weeks on end

Westicles: email verfication?

eulerscheZahl: and everyone below gets another chat where they can troll each other

Astrobytes: The Pit of Despair

Astrobytes: I'd prefer they couldn't chat at all, but could see regular chat

Astrobytes: it would weed out a few idiots at least

eulerscheZahl: read-only? that would need code changes

Westicles: if you just shadowban US ip addresses that would do it.

Astrobytes: plenty kids from all over spamming this place, not just US

Westicles: well, then put access the chat on the quest map.

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: As the last quest?

Astrobytes: (before contributions that is)

Westicles: maybe before creating a contrib

Westicles: ha, yeah

Astrobytes: heh

struct: reach wood 1 on br 2048

struct: should be the requirement

Jay10890: pablo

Astrobytes: salvador

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: pablo is my great uncle

Astrobytes: This is naming spanish artists right?

struct: chat is getting removed and we dont know yet what happens when we remove a boss from a league

Astrobytes: Only one way to find out :D

struct: maybe amazons can be the test

struct: doesnt have that many players

Default avatar.png Swimy: Question about this problem?

Default avatar.png Swimy: Im trying ti find my inputs here in c++ version of temperatures

Default avatar.png Swimy: I see it expressed as T but if I need to put it into an array that is fine

jacek: t?

Default avatar.png Swimy: Might just do it in c#

jacek: they give you one temperature at time

Astrobytes: your chosen language is not the problem I suspect

jacek: youd need to put them into array or list yourself anyway

struct: maybe I shouldnt test this during the weekend

struct: What if cg break

struct: s

jacek: :imp:

struct: euler is not online I'll test it tomorrow

struct: Automaton2000 remind me

Automaton2000: are you saying to me

Astrobytes: he's on discord

Astrobytes: ping him :P

struct: too much work

Astrobytes: well, you really should test these things live on fridays struct

BlaiseEbuth: Friday afternoon is release time!

Astrobytes: evening is better for us :smiling_imp:

BlaiseEbuth: And I'm the toxic troll...

BlaiseEbuth: :speak_no_evil:


Astrobytes: I told you it was safe in here BlaiseEbuth :)

BlaiseEbuth: That's the moment when tacos pop...

Astrobytes: haven't seen tacos in days

Astrobytes: regardless, I think we're all just having a bit of fun since this is all gonna disappear so soon anyway

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: speaking about that, who of you will I see on discord?

jacek: last days of trolling :(

Astrobytes: me

MSmits: I'll go there

Default avatar.png sqoor: hi

jacek: discord shows thumbnails of youtube

Default avatar.png sqoor: I am looking for a date

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: all right

jacek: 4/20

MSmits: jacek will this make it harder to rickroll us?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: try yesterday

Astrobytes: 5/7/77

Default avatar.png sqoor: who wanna be my date

Astrobytes: duh

Astrobytes: 5/8/77

Astrobytes: ^ the date

Default avatar.png sqoor: lol

MSmits: i didnt know you were older than me Astrobytes

Default avatar.png sqoor: good one

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: no you're a good one

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: now be good and be gone

Astrobytes: I'm not MSmits

Default avatar.png sqoor: when it's come to programming, date is the hardest subject for me

MSmits: ahh so you're not from '77 then

Default avatar.png sqoor: I don't know how to handle that

**PatrickMcGinnisII wants you to stop making him feel old

MSmits: sorry PatrickMcGinnisII :grin:

Astrobytes: MSmits: That's the (americanised) version of the universally accepted most-easily-listenable-and-consistent Grateful Dead concert, Barton Hall, Ithaca, NY

MSmits: o

PatrickMcGinnisII: I saw the Irish rovers mar. '77

Astrobytes: 5/8/77 - there are even conspiracy theories that it never happened because it is so good (I don't get that)

PatrickMcGinnisII: my first concert

Astrobytes: punk Patrick?

MSmits: PunkMcGinissll

Astrobytes: I like it

PatrickMcGinnisII: How is folk music punk?

Astrobytes: Well, the Pogues made it so

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: if you wait long enough, punk becomes folk

Astrobytes: And a lot of folk stuff is pretty punk in attitude alone, throughout history and before punk

PatrickMcGinnisII: i was 7, and every1 was dancing jigs in the isles ... very entertaining

**PatrickMcGinnisII is now old

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: grr nothing more annoying than sequences that start to diverge from each other after a few elements

Astrobytes: Oh, Canadian band The Irish Rovers? PatrickMcGinnisII

MSmits: I totally get this PatrickMcGinnisII, everything was lighter before WWI and WWII

PatrickMcGinnisII: I have nested foreach loops that won't fully loop, stupid php

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that's what he said 5 mins ago

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: these are not the sequences you are looking for

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: one of them is

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: but it's too expensive to calculate

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and the other apparently doesn't want to be it

PatrickMcGinnisII: well they are Irish, as am I despite being a Yank

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: Irish Rovers is a broad name, that's half the Irish bands across europe

Astrobytes: ofc PatrickMcGinnisII that's a given

Astrobytes: but they hail from Canada

Astrobytes: nowt wrong wi that

Astrobytes: I saw the Dubliners at Royal Albert Hall right before Barney died

Astrobytes: They were obviously a shadow of themselves at that point anyway but Barney kept it going in the right way

PatrickMcGinnisII: My roots are traceable back to the 9th century, my GF is mostly a Scot. - explains my bad attitude most of the time

Astrobytes: I don't find yer attitude bad

MSmits: wait, why would it explain *your* bad attitude anyways?

MSmits: if she's scottish, wouldn't that explain hers? I dunno

PatrickMcGinnisII: I suffer from the Hawaiian disease LackONookie ... always in the dog house

Astrobytes: What? Us Scots are made of stardust and nice things MSmits, as are all the Celts

MSmits: I see, well I thought you were the exception

Astrobytes: (now that's a long list :D)

Astrobytes: I'm made of buckfast and jobbies!

Astrobytes: (not really)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm made of sugar and spice and everything nice

Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: "Hawaiian disease" :D

PatrickMcGinnisII: kentucky Bourbon isn't the leg spreader whiskey that yall have over there

Astrobytes: "leg spreader" wtf dude

PatrickMcGinnisII: Puzzle: How to make her knees mad at each other / Solution: add liquor

PatrickMcGinnisII: ok i give up

Astrobytes: I'm actually made of snips of/and snails and puppydogs tails

**PatrickMcGinnisII believes you

Astrobytes: Continuing the rhyme from Aldoggen PatrickMcGinnisII

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: noice )

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I was wondering whether you'd have picked up on that reference

Astrobytes: people of my generation would have, I think some others wouldn't, at least here

PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, I'll behave in chat ... the fairer sex may be present

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I forgot your age already Astrobytes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: 23?

Astrobytes: Old

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well XD

Astrobytes: Nope, 40 in a month or so

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well, almost gratz then :)

Astrobytes: heh

Astrobytes: almost thanks I guess

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: my generation had the powerpuff girls to learn that song

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: no, just part of the lyrics i guess

Astrobytes: I watched the powerpuff girls as a teen ffs

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: wait wot?

Astrobytes: it was on then

Astrobytes: it was on Cartoon Network in the mid-late 90s

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: trying to calculate lol

Astrobytes: my three cousins had, until recently, the nicknames Bubbles, Buttercup and Blossom

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you're from 82 right?

Astrobytes: Yup

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that's cute tho :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: so you could have watched it by age 13

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: in '95

Astrobytes: Was on TV around then yeah

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I guess they kept playing it till when I was I guess about 9 or 10

Astrobytes: maybe a little later, I think when I was 14 or so

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: like around 07-08

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: so for more than a decade

Astrobytes: What's not to love? Why not keep repeating it, was a classic!

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: true :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: didn't expect it tho

PatrickMcGinnisII: if I nest a foreach of an associative array inside a foreach of an iterative, php barfs without an error...wth

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: though I did see an ad on tv with images that are at least 5 years old

Astrobytes: re-runs are the new 'new'

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: PatrickMcGinnisII lmao

Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: what have I told you about this PHP nonsense?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I've been laughing nonstop for the last minute over that

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: something about patrick doing something that sounds to me very overengineered, and php just being like "nope, I'm out of here" gets me

Astrobytes: You just defined Patrick

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: all right :)

Astrobytes: I've been trying to get him to switch back to something sensible like C for years now

Astrobytes: He's older than me, he should know better eh PatrickMcGinnisII

Default avatar.png boumagik: Hello world

Astrobytes: tbf though, he knows some PHP, that's for sure

PatrickMcGinnisII: I have a tendancy to rewrite Assembler::Assembler when i do C++

Astrobytes: just do some C, it's fine

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: hmm I don't know much about c++ but that sure doesn't sound kosher

PatrickMcGinnisII: it's an insanity that I picked up back when 16-bit compilers first came out

Astrobytes: there's nothing wrong with optimising but ffs dude you use PHP

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and I thought I was insane for writing all my math funcitons myself in java

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ayy top 400 in CoC

Astrobytes: grats

PatrickMcGinnisII: And I did alot of Java as well. So many things just to output a simple graphic ... so I write websites and custom graphics routines in php because it's just lazy/easier. Even the php cli graphics converters I run are easily modified w/o IDE and compiler overhead. I'll drop some fast lang. stuff here and there eventually.

Astrobytes: PHP for the job is fine, and even puzzles! (I like your commitment in that regard) but everything else on here man, jeezus

PatrickMcGinnisII: yes, it's very limiting. I'm reworking Galleon wars with a probability of collision detector to see if I can play without the depths others search to

Astrobytes: wtf is galleon wars

Astrobytes: ohhh coders of the caribbean

PatrickMcGinnisII: Green Circle event game me an idea about it. Code of Caribean.

PatrickMcGinnisII: I hate the new names btw

Astrobytes: You and most others

Astrobytes: The anti squid was responsible for a fair few of those

Astrobytes: euler's was Death First Search

Astrobytes: None of mine were accepted

PatrickMcGinnisII: I like the movie nerd names

Astrobytes: like CvZ should be called The Evil Thread

PatrickMcGinnisII: :thumbsup:

Astrobytes: ARmy of.. Smartness?

PatrickMcGinnisII: I gtg mow the lawn b4 it rains...glhf Aldoggen & Astrobytes

PatrickMcGinnisII: smh

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: cya!

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: Happy mowing PatrickMcGinnisII

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ty Astrobytes

Therabidpanther: Hello all

PatrickMcGinnisII: ARSE = Army of SmartnEss

b0n5a1: PatrickMcGinnisII invest in a goat :D

Astrobytes: you're leaving too Aldoggen?

Astrobytes: b0n5a1: I'd advise at least 4

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I am not :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I was caught up in a particularly annoying coc

Astrobytes: ah I misread

PatrickMcGinnisII: nested foreach's startoing working when I added the option key to the interative loop

PatrickMcGinnisII: smh

Astrobytes: iterative

PatrickMcGinnisII: later

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: someone thought it was a good idea to include wrong data in their coc which I had to fish out

Astrobytes: b0n5a1: I recommended an fr takeover of world earlier before the chat dies, it has to be at a busy time

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I don't know how that got approved

Astrobytes: nobody quite knows why half of those clashes get approved

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lmao

b0n5a1: :D

Astrobytes: it has to be done!

Astrobytes: if we can't keep it we can at least remember the last few days of it with fondness ^^

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: we need to make a browser addon that adds it back or something lol

Astrobytes: there will be some alternative after but nothing will be the same as this one

Astrobytes: *alternatives

BlaiseEbuth: :turtle;

BlaiseEbuth: :turtle:

jacek: :frog:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aha wow that was hard to debug for me

Astrobytes: pouvoir de la tortue!

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: didn't see the semicolon

Westicles: les bourses du ponant!

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I still don't know what that means lol

BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:

jacek: omelette du fromage?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: don't forget croissant du baguette

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and if they start complaining just say how much you love the Eiffel tower

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: jeeeim the tour of the Eiffel

Astrobytes: Ouais jacek, le laboratoire de Dexter

BlaiseEbuth: La frite has something to say une fois ?

jacek: and i know its au fromage

Astrobytes: évidemment jacek

Astrobytes: just wait til I start using possiblement

Westicles: as the french say, what is it that that is, that?

Remi.: ah on peut parler français aujourd'hu ?

BlaiseEbuth: Ban this guy!

Astrobytes: hahaha

Zorg1: oh yes a link on the code of conduct !

Remi.: i wawnt my taco first

Remi.: * want

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Zorg1: have you nice enough to have a taco Remi. ?

Zorg1: *been

Remi.: I don't know, i never palyed the game of taco

Default avatar.png boumagik: *earned works too

Astrobytes: here is a :taco: for being you Remi. :P

Westicles: here you go

BlaiseEbuth: :grin:

Zorg1: :D

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lmao

BlaiseEbuth: Sad I do not earn royalties on this...

Zorg1: :money_mouth:

b0n5a1: NFT BlaiseEbuth...NFT :D

Remi.: C'est toi Blaise qui a fait ce dessin ?

Westicles: Stoi l'desssin

BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah I did Remi.

Astrobytes: I love it when a plan comes together :D

Remi.: And royalties for the "Stoi" ? ^^

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Zorg1: hey Automaton2000 how are you ?

Automaton2000: you can go to bed

Astrobytes: That's you told Zorg1 :rofl:

Zorg1: yep

jgall: Good evening. Has anybody done ?

waterproofsodium: Astrobytes still stuck with markov chains :D

waterproofsodium: how would you figure out the probabilities shares as integers of a strongly connected component?

waterproofsodium: seems like a tricky problem

waterproofsodium: I think I have a solution, but it involves a linear equation solver and that makes me unhappy haha

waterproofsodium: since those things are a bit of a black box

Psyho: omg, I'm missing 2 more points for the fire spreading thing

Psyho: kill me

Default avatar.png RJ21: heheh

Default avatar.png RJ21: shoot!

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dang thats aggressive

M0hammed: yes im the only one online