Chat:World/2022-05-23

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The_furious_fire: hi struggling w/ the xy thingy

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Darleanow: 5DN1L need u :)

LolipopMiss: j'ai mal au cul

LolipopMiss: un gars dans ma classe ma su...

5DN1L: banned

GEORGE12345: hello

ZOJI: bite

ZOJI: oui ?

5DN1L: English only in this channel. For French, please use #fr

GEORGE12345: hi there 5DN1L

GEORGE12345: wait are you a bot

5DN1L: hi GEORGE12345

5DN1L: Yes I am a bot

5DN1L: Joking

GEORGE12345: few

GEORGE12345: i thought you were a bot

5DN1L: Automaton2000 are you a bot?

Automaton2000: if you find a good eval

GEORGE12345: so you are the head or something

5DN1L: Automaton2000 "a good eval of what makes a bot"

Automaton2000: i need a good eval

5DN1L: I'm not the head

GEORGE12345: okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay?

5DN1L: I'm just a moderator

GEORGE12345: oh ok

GEORGE12345: sorry

GEORGE12345: hey does anybody like video games

GEORGE12345: who like to make video games

GEORGE12345: and in which software

GEORGE12345: Hello?

5DN1L: Dunno, but some make games here: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming

GEORGE12345: ok

GEORGE12345: does anybody tried making games in the sandbox

GEORGE12345: you must have seen in youtube adds

GEORGE12345: hello?

5DN1L: I don't have anything to add. Seems other people don't have at the moment either

GEORGE12345: Bonjour

GEORGE12345: i am learning french

GEORGE12345: Buenas Dias

McGruble: hmm

GEORGE12345: and a bit spanish

5DN1L: ok, please stick to coding related topics

GEORGE12345: i am an emarati

GEORGE12345: fine

GEORGE12345: which code games do you play 5DN1L other that this game

5DN1L: just this for now

GEORGE12345: me too

GEORGE12345: how old are you

5DN1L: sorry I'm busy and I can't keep chatting with you

GEORGE12345: oh sorry:disappointed:

GEORGE12345: no prob

nicola: 5DN1L, « bite » in French is dick in English.

5DN1L: oh :open_mouth:

5DN1L: thanks for telling me

isimkullanmiyorum: hi everyone

cagriy: hello from istanbul

Abdulrahim: hello all

Abdulrahim: i need some help here

Abdulrahim: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/afaaf87f-e5b3-4997-bf15-c73cb8c13cbf

5DN1L: It looks like you haven't changed the initial code? Abdulrahim

waterproofsodium: gm

Gangbi34567: https://www.codingame.com/servlet/urlinvite?u=4752125

Gangbi34567: come in everybody

yep1907: arkadaslar

waterproofsodium: wohoo i finished bulls and cows :cowboy:

5DN1L: 🎉

waterproofsodium: :)

waterproofsodium: did you see the doom monster?

waterproofsodium: was referring to nicola

5DN1L: i replied to nicola

waterproofsodium: beautiful

waterproofsodium: well

Jankovahoe: hello

Jankovahoe: how are u

Jankovahoe: ??

Jankovahoe: my coding friends

Jankovahoe: :yin_yang:

Uljahn: pls no flood here

waterproofsodium: I finally have a personality

procoder1: hey all

waterproofsodium: (if you don't see it refresh the site)

Jankovahoe: hi procoder1

Jankovahoe: wanna be my bf

Jankovahoe: im a girl

procoder1: no + ratio

Uljahn: kicked, next time is ban

procoder1: who wants to code with me

waterproofsodium: you find people to code with in clash

waterproofsodium: "clash of code"

5DN1L: waterproofsodium, nice to have a profile pic, it makes you less newbie-like

waterproofsodium: ty :D

5DN1L: :D

waterproofsodium: I'm a overlord from starcraft ;)

5DN1L: btw i just saw your other message - i had to translate it to understand it haha

waterproofsodium: hahaha be careful usually humor gets lost from anything translated from or to german

5DN1L: i don't often wander into other channels - it's only when i think spammers may be there

5DN1L: yeah, true

5DN1L: i guess

Boju66: anyone got tips for getting out of bronze mad pod racing?

waterproofsodium: pod racing there's a formula

Uljahn: ye, just drift better

waterproofsodium: that brings you pretty far

procoder1: Hallo, sprecht ihr alle deutsch

Boju66: ive done the go slower round corners bit

5DN1L: English only please, procoder1

procoder1: me no english

5DN1L: or get kicked out

waterproofsodium: it was like: have a coefficient for your velocity, that is negative and add that vector to your next target

procoder1: i use google translate for english

Boju66: okay thanks

waterproofsodium: find the coefficient that works best for yourself, but I think it was like 2 approximately

Boju66: ill try ;)

Boju66: what are these emojis lmao

procoder1: me clash of code

waterproofsodium: unit of velocity = 2 units/"tick"

...bored: eyo can anyone help me with sorting algorithms in python (im a beginner (its just about sorting a number of variabels that are not stored inside of an array))

waterproofsodium: * unit of velocity = units/"tick"

therapist_with_a_space: ║

procoder1: :eye::tongue::eye:

Boju66: do i need to make that a variable im guessing

Boju66: tysm

5DN1L: kicked, next is a ban, procoder1

therapist_with_a_space: ►☻:wink:

5DN1L: you want to be kicked too? therapist_with_a_space

Uljahn: Boju66: ye, add them to list

therapist_with_a_space: no

5DN1L: then no spam please

waterproofsodium: gotta move out. have a good day everyone

therapist_with_a_space: ok

Boju66: thanks Uljahn

Uljahn: also if you need more specific help, you have to provide an example of such variables

Uljahn: oops, i was answering to ...bored

...bored: ah sry gotcha ... im working on the "the desent" rn in wich gives you 8 variables at the beginning of each game ... the task is to sort these variables in descending order

Uljahn: the task is to find the index of the maximum number

...bored: yeah every roun

Uljahn: you can store (value, index) pairs in a list, then sort it or use max() function and output the second part

Uljahn: or find max value and then use value_list.index(max_value)

...bored: ah ok ill try that thx

keta-dev: how do I get started with Javascript.

Alathreon: Hi, may I ask if java will ever be upgraded ?

Uljahn: Alathreon: use this topic to give your question more visibility https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/languages-update/

Alathreon: Thank you

MSmits: hi

struct: hi

struct: is site slow for anyone else?

MSmits: not sure, it is slow but i am in the train. Train wifi is horrible

therealbeef: *dutch train wifi

MSmits: do you live in a country with good train wifi?

struct: We dont use the trains here

struct: Netherlands is different

MSmits: Because they are not safe?

struct: no, because cities are not built for them

therealbeef: Korea has good train/bus wifi

MSmits: weird, you just need a train track

MSmits: ah ok

zakacat: and billions of dollars of infrastructure that is a hard sell for politicians

MSmits: there's benefit as well

MSmits: financial

zakacat: I agree

MSmits: travel costs go down for a lot of people

zakacat: Just saying why it is not an easy decision

MSmits: if you travel alone, cars are insanely expensive to use

MSmits: that's true for any political decision almost.

therealbeef: dutch trains are insanely expensive too :D

zakacat: we don't have very good public transit in Canada. The big cities have trains, and the city busses are decent, but pretty much all intercity travel is personal vehicle or plane

struct: When I went to Amsterdam it was clear it's a city not built for cars

MSmits: well that's not the kind of train i am talking about

MSmits: you are talking about trams

MSmits: I am taking about large trains that move between cities

MSmits: most cities dont have trams... just busses

zakacat: Ah, I think they decided a long time ago that it is far more worth it to use our rail for cargo which drives up the cost of tickets for personell

MSmits: that just means you need more trains

MSmits: there is no reason to make those two compete

struct: https://maps-portugal.com/img/0/portugal-rail-map.jpg

zakacat: I dunno then. Possibly corruption in the rail lines then

struct: as you can see its not great

struct: Porto and lisbon are the exception

MSmits: scale matters though

zakacat: Id love to go to Portugal

zakacat: one day

MSmits: seems like a reasonable rail map imho

MSmits: we also have towns that have no trains going to them

MSmits: you need busses for those

MSmits: big cities all have train stations though

MSmits: some multiple

struct: I think culture is also a large factor

MSmits: yeah i was gonna say thar

MSmits: people get used to cars

MSmits: they dont know any better

MSmits: we have a lot of bicycles too

struct: as soon as I left the train station I saw like 1k bikes

struct: in netherlands

MSmits: In Amsterdam?

struct: yes

MSmits: yes, they are everywhere

MSmits: some things you see in Amsterdam are specific to that city, some things arent

MSmits: Amsterdam does not give you a good impression of the Netherlands as a whole though

MSmits: cars are fine to use in most cities for example

struct: yeah its for tourists I guess

MSmits: yeah thats one difference

MSmits: but it's also a major student and culture city

MSmits: If you want to see "normal" Netherlands, go to Zaandam, or Almere or something

MSmits: not as exciting probably

struct: In portugal its the same

therealbeef: Almere is kinda bottom of the barrel XD

struct: Many cities will give you the wrong impression

MSmits: hey dont sht on Almere :) I lived there half my life

kovi: hello MSmits

MSmits: hi kovi

kovi: will you play the new locm?

zakacat: Give :taco: kovi

MSmits: at some point probably

MSmits: but I am doing yavalath/oware/great escape atm

struct: The cities are completely different from ehre

struct: here*

struct: At least from the images im seeing

struct: They seem more organized

MSmits: they are very organized yes

MSmits: people experience it as boring/lack of atmosphere though

therealbeef: The old dutch mid-sized cities are nice. Alkmaar, Leiden, Den Bosch, Utrecht, Groningen

MSmits: I kinda like the organized cities

MSmits: when i had to deliver newspapers it made it pretty easy

wlesavo: oh MSmits, you going to do GE? great time to check my playground :smiley:

MSmits: oh ok, i will

MSmits: can you link it?

MSmits: (have to go off line ina sec, train arriving)

wlesavo: you probably know all the things there https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/66330/bfs-and-voronoi-diagrams-using-bit-shift-operations/voronoi-area-in-line-racing

MSmits: oh i also have a bfs playground on my profile

MSmits: i will look at yours thanks

Ringstadjr: is there an option to only clash against same coding language as yourself?

Rogumann: keyboard shortcut to delete whole line?

Rogumann: ctrl+shift+k

Reyil: hi

procoder1: yo

birv1408o: heheheha

birv1408o: i pro coder

procoder1: no i am

birv1408o: how

procoder1: im ranked 2913619

birv1408o: im ranked 1 in the world

birv1408o: get better fortnite noob

procoder1: no you're ranked 2913923

birv1408o: cap bro

procoder1: no cap

birv1408o: ur rank 2913619 TH

procoder1: im still better

birv1408o: im better at fornite

procoder1: cap

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birv1408o: 1v1 rn

procoder1: ok

birv1408o: add me

birv1408o: whats ur name\

procoder1: tt flixz fn

procoder1: rn

birv1408o: bet

birv1408o: ur boutta get destroyed like your mom

procoder1: cap ima win

Uljahn: no flood here, stick to coding-related topics

procoder1: why

birv1408o: why

Uljahn: you've been warned, next time is ban

TINOUAINANI: :joy:

TINOUAINANI: fight in clash code instad :joy:

Ilikebals: ok he pull up

Ilikebals: how do i rank up

ttflixzfn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

Ilikebals: You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty

ttflixzfn: Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi (Sonny Digital)

Ilikebals: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ttflixzfn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

Ilikebals: you and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty

ttflixzfn: Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi

Ilikebals: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ttflixzfn: Switchin' lanes and I'm seein' lights, you know I watch the curb

Ilikebals: Smokin' weed, you know I'm gettin' high, you know it calm my nerves

ttflixzfn: Trappin' hard, pumpin' non-stop, the bag I had to earn

Ilikebals: ou can try, but you might fail again, you know you never learn

ttflixzfn: Came in with a bottle, I was trippin'

Ilikebals: And I took a couple shots and now I'm dizzy

ttflixzfn: It got me burning up, burning up

Ilikebals: Insides burning up, burning up (Yeah)

ttflixzfn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

Ilikebals: You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty

ttflixzfn: Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi

Ilikebals: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ttflixzfn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

Ilikebals: You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty

ttflixzfn: Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi

Ilikebals: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ttflixzfn: Uh, poppin' meds (Uh), out in the meadows (Yeah)

Ilikebals: She like a little red (Uh), in her stilettos (Yeah)

ttflixzfn: Anytime you live (Uh), out in the ghetto (Yeah)

Ilikebals: You try to duck the feds (Uh), they need to let go

ttflixzfn: Came in with a bottle, I was trippin'

Ilikebals: And I took a couple shots, it got me dizzy

ttflixzfn: It got me burning up, burning up

Ilikebals: It got me burning up, burning up

ttflixzfn: OKAY I PULL UP

Ilikebals: YOU AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS YEAH LOVE TO GET NAUGHTY:heart_eyes:

ttflixzfn: Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi:rage:

Ilikebals: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari:see_no_evil:

Uljahn: banned

ilikebals2: thanks

MSmits: I just made my yavalath solver 20x faster :)

wlesavo: wow

MSmits: which corresponds to like 2 depth levels but still

MSmits: 2ms for the same gamestate that took 40 ms before

Reyil: hi'

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

blop200: wheres the moderator damn

wlesavo: MSmits so what kind of improvemnt you made?

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: OKAY WE PULL UP

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

MSmits: I'll explain when the spammers get kicked

Westicles: sheesh, like a monkeypox outbreak here

wlesavo: MSmits

ilikebals2: we will be back

wlesavo: sry

ttflixzfnneverdies: we never die

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: HEHEHEH

wlesavo: wanted to ping mod

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: HEHEHEHA

ttflixzfnneverdies: wlesavo we never die

wlesavo: 5DN1L

ttflixzfnneverdies: HEHEHEHA

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: ilikebals

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: YEA YEA

ttflixzfnneverdies: WWWW

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

MSmits: I wish i had mod powers sometimes, but I don't want the full responsibility of a mod, just the power to kick these obvious trolls

ilikebals2: OK HE PULL UP:heart_eyes:

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party:rage:

wlesavo: same

ttflixzfnneverdies: WE AINT TROLLING

ttflixzfnneverdies: my g

ilikebals2: I LOVE PULLIN UP:sunglasses:

ilikebals2: OK I PULL UP:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

ttflixzfnneverdies: OKAY WE PULL UP:sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

wlesavo: Uljahn

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: AHHH

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ttflixzfnneverdies: :sunglasses:

ilikebals2: HEHEHEHA

ilikebals2: YOU CANT DEFEAT US

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

macyq: yall are terrible

ttflixzfnneverdies: OKAY I PULL UP ONG :joy:

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party:flushed:

ttflixzfnneverdies: WE DONT DIE

MSmits: macyq they will be gone when a mod gets here

ttflixzfnneverdies: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: ME AND ALL MY FRIEND YEAH WE WANNA GET NAUGHTY:heart_eyes:

ttflixzfnneverdies: :scream:Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party:smirk:

Westicles: [CG]Thibaud help

ilikebals2: I LOVE FAIRES :heart_eyes_cat:

ttflixzfnneverdies: You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty:rage:

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

blop200: why isn't there a mute button on a coding website

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: WE NEVER DIE

ilikebals2: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: VOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ilikebals2: :neutral_face:

ilikebals2: HEHEHEHA

ilikebals2: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/39439321-140b-47e2-9e0b-07495760b0f4

MSmits: struct

Uljahn: banned

MSmits: nicola

MSmits: ahh ok

MSmits: I will stop pinging then

MSmits: havent seen trolls this bad befor

MSmits: wlesavo you still around?

wlesavo: yeah

MSmits: ok, i assume you are familiar with mcts solver?

wlesavo: somewhat yes =)

Reyil: hi

Reyil: :wave:

MSmits: ok, imagine a really good gamestate in which you basically can't lose

Reyil: MSmits, hi

MSmits: all nodes to select have value 1,0 which means 100% WR

MSmits: hi Reyil

MSmits: whats going to happen on selection?

wlesavo: random

MSmits: well random, or all get equal numbers of visits right?

MSmits: is this a good thing when you want to prove the win?

wlesavo: not really

MSmits: no, you want to select just the 1 node

MSmits: any of them really, since they are all winning

OKAYIPULLUP: WE DONT DIE

ok_i_pull_up: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

OKAYIPULLUP: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

OKAYIPULLUP: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

OKAYIPULLUP: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

OKAYIPULLUP: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

DomiKo: damn

MSmits: so instead of UCT-normal, you remove the part that depends on visit count and just go by the value + 61 - the number of children of that node, so you pick the winning node with the smallest amount of branching

struct: ...

MSmits: extreme improvement of solving speed for winning states

MSmits: I think i can speed up my c4 solver this way also

wlesavo: oh i see

MSmits: it works for any game that ends with 100% winning nodes for the last few levels

MSmits: (depth levels)

MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/636758083

MSmits: example, check when my bot solves and when jace k's does

MSmits: (his bot says -10 when it solves)

sussycoder: hey everyone im new!

struct: but how do you know that the node is pretty much solved?

Capybarapullup: same

Reyil: hi sussycoder

sussycoder: Hey Reyil!

MSmits: you dont have to know if it is pretty much solved

Reyil: how are you

MSmits: you just have to have a near 100% WR (I use 95% or 97.5%)

struct: No I mean to know when to use the other UCT

sussycoder: Hey Reyil!

MSmits: i use value cutoff 0.9 or 0.95

sussycoder: oops

struct: do you check the parent?

MSmits: so i first calculate the value and then I calculate the rest of UCT

MSmits: no i just check each child

struct: ah

struct: so if each child score >= 0.9

MSmits: not each

MSmits: just 1

MSmits: or more

wlesavo: i should try that someday

Reyil: hi MSmits

sussycoder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/361f82b4-d80e-4f42-9329-74750681dabf

Capybarapullup: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d7e22432-0426-4065-a4f3-4aa358eca497

Capybarapullup: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

sussycoder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ef6df63f-4489-496d-b0dc-a010c49b74c5

sussycoder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/31e96ee3-bb88-46e8-8803-2af5844a21e4

Capybarapullup: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

MSmits: any child above the cutoff is preferred to all others

struct: So lets say I entered normal select

MSmits: and the child in that group with the smallest amount of children of its own is preferred also

struct: What happens?

MSmits: you always enter normal select, it's just a different UCT formula for some children

struct: Currently I check each child and select best UCB

MSmits: you do the same, it's just a different formula for some children

MSmits: the ones that have value > 0.95

struct: ah ok

MSmits: so as soon as one gets that, it gets 100% focused on

struct: I can try that

MSmits: until it drops below the cutoff

struct: seems short

MSmits: it's very easy to code

MSmits: the new formula is value + SOME_NUMBER - child count

Reyil: hi MSmits

MSmits: you assume the child has been expanded so you know how many children it has

MSmits: some number is 61 for me for yavalath

MSmits: so that the value always has a positive number added

MSmits: you could make it 100 also, doesnt matter

struct: but wont it be higher than 1 then?

MSmits: yeah, this doesnt matter

MSmits: it's just a uct result

wlesavo: thx for sharing MSmits, quite interesting

MSmits: it's often higher than 1 btw

MSmits: uct = value + exploration term

MSmits: i replace the exploration with the 61- childcount term

struct: my uct is never higher than 1

struct: or is it?

struct: idk

MSmits: your value is never higher than 1

macyqs_sister: hello!

MSmits: but your UCT is

MSmits: you add the sqrtlog thingy

struct: I see

macyqs_sister: hi struct! thats a cool name!

MSmits: It's especially useful in late game yavalath because you can just count the number of loss hexes (from 3 in a row) and know one player has too few safe hexes. So you get a lot of 100% WR nodes

MSmits: it's like that for the last 20 plies or so

MSmits: a normal MCTS is going to explore all those 100% WR nodes equally, which slows things down *a lot*

flizin: suck my d struct

MSmits: you just need 1 of those, preferably the one that forces moves

MSmits: (small branching)

struct: Thanks for explaining

struct: Makes sense

Reyil: :nauseated_face:

MSmits: np

Reyil: MSmits

MSmits: yes?

Reyil: hi

MSmits: hi

struct: stop spamming Reyil

Reyil: :wave:

Reyil: i'm not

jacek: so if child has 0.95 you assume its win?

struct: no jacek

struct: He just changes UCB to visit it more

MSmits: To *only* visit it

MSmits: I don't visit anything else unless it gets solved as a loss or draw, or if it drops below 0.95

MSmits: if it turns out it isn't a win, it should be no problem, the rollouts should be able to show this

jacek: is this some progressive pruning or widening?

jacek: it feels so nostalgic, from the time where random-based mcts was a thing

MSmits: this can be used by a NN

MSmits: it's not specific to random rollouts

MSmits: you can have a NN use a cutoff where it is very likely to win and then stop exploring other nodes as well

struct: it might even be better

struct: since you can lower the value

struct: instead of being 0.95

MSmits: well i am not sure that is a good idea

MSmits: nn eval isnt perfect either

struct: Well I trust jacek NN more than my mcts random rollout

jacek: oh im 4th in oware :rage:

MSmits: but do you trust NN's eval more than 1000 random rollouts near the end of the game?

MSmits: 1000 vs 1

struct: I see what you mean

MSmits: yavalath random rollouts are extremely strong near the end because of how the game works. There are no traps and such,

MSmits: it's just filling up hexes

MSmits: connect 4 is a bit similar to that

MSmits: hmm I am not seeing much improvement using this in c4.

MSmits: but it doesn't work on draws, so it could be that

struct: so its perfect for bt?

MSmits: mmh doubtful, bt needs ept right?

MSmits: random rollouts are weak

MSmits: but a meta mcts for bt, maybe

jacek: bt is quite trappy

MSmits: yavalath too, but you can fix this in a large part with smart random rollout

MSmits: not sure if this works in bt

MSmits: oh and bt is probably trappy all the way through the game, yavalath mostly early

struct: yeah for bt it wont work for my eval

Wizard-Dude: Hello, I have been seeing that in mad pod racer, people change their place they want to move based on there angle to the checkpoint, how do they do it?

MSmits: I think it might work better for my c4 solver program. I got stuck on 11x4 because of that same "full 100% WR" selection thing where it would just explore everything unless i solved by hand

MSmits: (which meant choosing 1 node to go through)

jacek: if i remember correctly it was about choosing thrust depending on angle < -90 || angle > 90

jacek: as for changing place, there is trick of target checkpoint - 3 * pod velocity

MSmits: oh noes... -3vel

MSmits: make it seem more mathematical by putting -3pi

MSmits: -pi*vel sry

jacek: math? :scream:

Wizard-Dude: @jacek so what do you mean target checkpoint, are you meaning the checkpoints x or y ?

MSmits: both

MSmits: it's vector subtraction

MSmits: x-3vx and y -3vy

Wizard-Dude: thanks!

jacek: you need to calcuate velocity yourself

MSmits: the problem with this trick though, is that it works so well, you wont be able to improve much after that unless you learn how to do a search

MSmits: and you should probably not learn how to do a search in that game, it's not an easy game to start with this

Wizard-Dude: another question, for calculating velocity would I just take the position from last turn and find the difference between the position this turn?

MSmits: yes

struct: yes

jacek: eeyup

Wizard-Dude: thanks!

MSmits: if it doesnt work, you have a bug. You should get into gold easily

Scarfield: pod racers hate this one trick

MSmits: you make it sounds like a typical click-bait article title

jacek: https://ujeb.se/cmp8su

Wizard-Dude: Could someone help me with my bug, for some reason I am going to 41242, 24428 which is outside of the map. I am outputting (nextcheckpointx - (3 * vx) , nextcheckpointy - (3 * vy), thrust) and I am calculating vx and vy by getting the difference between my last and current position, what am I doing wrong?

jacek: show your code

Wizard-Dude: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/da1a4819-abab-42ed-963a-276211b686df

jacek: hmm you set the vx vy before the Scan

jacek: do the if block after fmt.Scan(&x, &y, &ncx, &ncy, &ncd, &nca)

Wizard-Dude: In this league they do not give vx and vy, I had to create them

struct: yes but you are using x before reading it

Wizard-Dude: oh thanks!

jacek: it plays better/

Wizard-Dude: Yes a lot. I appreciate the help! :grinning:

jacek: :tada:

jacek: and if youre interested where does it come from: https://w3.cs.jmu.edu/spragunr/CS354_F17/handouts/pid.pdf

Wizard-Dude: Thanks for all this help, I am 13 years old and I have been struggling on advancing my bot in mad pod racer!

MSmits: it's not an easy task

jacek: :upside_down:

mdfarhansadiq: hi

chef_de_file: hey

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: OKAY I PULL UP

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d26e956c-6dd1-4dc8-a3b1-83f88545f14e

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

Scarfield: struct wontonimo

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: OKAY I PULL UP:rage:

chef_de_file: :sunglasses:Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: OKAY WE PULL UP

ok_i_pull_up_: pull up baby girl:stuck_out_tongue:

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: hehehehehehhehe

chef_de_file: OK I PULL UP ONG

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: heheheheha

chef_de_file: heheheha

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: WE PULL UP

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: OKAY WE PULL UP ON GORDA

chef_de_file: N

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after partyOkay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: WE NEVER DIE HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok_i_pull_up_: i like big guys

ok_i_pull_up_: three big guys

chef_de_file: AND THE BUST ON ME

ok_i_pull_up_: look like we playin tennis

chef_de_file: OH SHI

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: he got big pepe i think his name dennis

ok_i_pull_up_: i jerk his wnee until he finish

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

chef_de_file: You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty

chef_de_file: Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi (Sonny Digital)

chef_de_file: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ok_i_pull_up_: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

chef_de_file: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

ok_i_pull_up_: YOU WILL NEVER WIN:kissing_heart:WE WILL BE BACK EVEN AFTER BAN:hugging:

ok_i_pull_up_: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ok_i_pull_up_: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari1942, I take you back in that 'Rari1942, I take you back in that 'Rari1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

ok_i_pull_up_: 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

DomiKo: ohhh god

Magus: Sorry, I'm just Magus.

DomiKo: Close enough for me

jacek: janus?

Westicles: why are all the event puzzles by french guys?

jacek: nepotism

mdfarhansadiq: :#

Westicles: 7 event puzzles so far. 6 french, 1 german

jacek: and german one was about mines :thinking:

coderboner: hi!

amogus69420: hi!

.steinn: hello coder

macyq: wassup boner

amogus69420: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi (Sonny Digital) 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari:nerd:

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

macyq: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

coderboner: Okay, I pull up

macyq: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

coderboner: Okay, I pull up

macyq: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

coderboner: Okay, I pull up

amogus69420: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party You and all your friends, yeah, they love to get naughty Sippin' on that Henn', I know you love that Bacardi (Sonny Digital) 1942, I take you back in that 'Rari

jacek: Magus struct

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd:

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd:

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd:

coderboner: PENIS

.steinn: suc my d

coderboner: Okay, I pull up

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

macyq: hes hard

DomiKo: Oware has so many small leagues in Wood 1. I never knew that game is that awesome.

.steinn: same here bro

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

macyq: what is wood 1

coderboner: ur mom

amogus69420: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/98818886-203b-4e46-808a-02edc525817d

Westicles: bro, every time you make a new account it adds to their monthly active users. you are just making them money

.steinn: the hardness oh your penis

coderboner: idc

.steinn: good

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

amogus69420: its about drive its about power

coderboner: westicles more like testicles

.steinn: we stay hungry we devour

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd:

.steinn: i like balls

jacek: small leagues in wood 1?

.steinn: jack your gay

coderboner: shut yo ass up jacek

macyq: ya

coderboner: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd:

coderboner: Okay, I pull up (Okay, I pull up), hop out at the after party

.steinn: Okay, I pull up, hop out at the after party

.steinn: :nerd:

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd:

.steinn: :nerd:

Westicles: all right, give me an IP address an I'll brick their router

.steinn: :nerd:

.steinn: bet

DomiKo: I mean those big jumps between some players scores.

coderboner: heres my ip

coderboner: 123.456.789

amogus69420: :nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd:

amogus69420: It's about drive, it's about power We stay hungry, we devour Put in the work, put in the hours and take what's ours (ahoo)

coderboner: heheheheha

jacek: 5DN1L [CG]Thibaud help plx

.steinn: suck my hard boner]

struct: ...

struct: Automaton2000 do something

Automaton2000: then there is no point

nightwalkerinthedark: lol

nightwalkerinthedark: talk you people

regismeysso22: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/183968d2a9b5c73cc05fb254938638eb60268

DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/636886955

DomiKo: Fist win against MSmits!

jacek: :tada:

jacek: yet another NN oware bot?

DomiKo: yet another AlphaZero

DomiKo: But stilll soooo much work to do

DomiKo: I'm actually surprised that it works that well

jacek: nice

Macbookair: what we talkin about?

DomiKo: About Oware

Macbookair: whats that?

DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/oware-abapa

jacek: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/oware-abapa

DomiKo: You should try it

MSmits: grats DomiKo :)

Macbookair: will do

regismeysso22: add .onion

MSmits: my bot is still the highest ranking non-NN I think

DomiKo: that many NNs wow

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: half of them because Marchete shared his framework

jacek: so many C# in top 15 :thinking:

MSmits: they just load a C++ bot I guess

jacek: how long did you train

DomiKo: like 30min right now

DomiKo: 100% loading C++, I found out that #pragma arch=native doesn't work like compilation flag, and compiling it directly is better

jacek: huh

jacek: #pragma GCC option("arch=native", "tune=native", "no-zero-upper")

DomiKo: yeah, it doesn't work

jacek: how do you know

DomiKo: https://godbolt.org/

DomiKo: https://godbolt.org/z/TPMTY39xE

DomiKo: here

DomiKo: with pragma this code can't compile

DomiKo: but if you add flag to compilator it will compile without any problem

jacek: noob https://www.codingame.com/replay/636892240

jacek: i wasnt oware it was possible to win to 0 at this level

DomiKo: xD

Macbookair: ok i pull up:heart_eyes:

DomiKo: my bot just gave up

jacek: and 2 exact games :thinking:

MSmits: that's no surprise

DomiKo: I have very little random right now

Macbookair: capybara

MSmits: well maybe from your bot jacek, but if the best move is very clear, your bot becomes deterministic too

DomiKo: that could be true

Macbookair: ok i pull up:heart_eyes:

Macbookair: ok i pull up:heart_eyes:ok i pull up:heart_eyes:

Macbookair: ok i pull up:heart_eyes:

5DN1L: kicked

MSmits: can you do something with IP bans or something? Or are they unstoppable when they keep creating accounts?

5DN1L: [CG]Thibaud?

struct: DomiKo breakthrough next?

struct: easy game

jacek: onitama

struct: bt is easier to sim

jacek: and no draws

struct: 80 lines for sim is what I need for it

DomiKo: nahhh

DomiKo: I will stick with Oware for some time

DomiKo: My bot can't really learn much now

DomiKo: but next can be BT because I already have the sim

jacek: its really a simple fix https://hsto.org/files/040/6ca/59e/0406ca59e7c243e1bffae413d1d40947.png

DomiKo: not enough chars..

DomiKo: only base64 for now

DomiKo: and my code is really huge... I have like 30K chars for my code

struct: are you using avx for your NN?

DomiKo: yes

DomiKo: I had a look at Marchete code

struct: I also learned from his code, his pcr bot I think

ApeFan: im new to coding. any recommended languages for like getting hired and for fun?

ApeFan: the only one i messed with before was c#

DomiKo: C# is cool I guess

ApeFan: ok thanks!

aCat: ping PatrickMcGinnisII

PatrickMcGinnisII: Jello

aCat: so we've checked some things

**PatrickMcGinnisII is waiting to be wrong

aCat: first case is ok in code, it may be some problems with viewer not showing the actual state - it should be fixed when I'll update the code

aCat: the other...

aCat: seems like you are using PICK command and expect it to behave like a CHOOSE command

aCat: but we will do some significant change here as it seems to cause problems

aCat: so choose will be deprecated

aCat: and cards will be sorted based on ids - so PICK will behave like both these commands ;]

PatrickMcGinnisII: i didn't go by the viewer, I error_logged the playerMana

aCat: therwe will be two indexes for a card

aCat: 1 is its number and it will be equal to a position in draft

aCat: the other instance in game

aCat: hmm, no idea then with the mana

aCat: Also - why you are mentioning cardlist and those 160 old cards?

aCat: they are not existing now at all

aCat: you only have these 120 that are generated and they have no connection to the cards in LOCM 1.0&1.2

PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/aab2c5a5-42e1-457c-82d1-87fad87904c9

PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh, ok....you had so many card generator algorithms. ;)

PatrickMcGinnisII: ok i used pick instead of chosen

PatrickMcGinnisII: i was using IDs not nb

PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, that's my bad

PatrickMcGinnisII: It wasn't confusing, I just completely missed it

aCat: ok, so what is wrong with this repla?

aCat: double turn 3 mana?

PatrickMcGinnisII: the mana displayed looks right because it's incremented and displayed at beginning of opponent turn...but the input I'm given at beginning of my turn is ofc incorrect... it's gotta be the semi-global reference and not an instance reference to bonusmana

PatrickMcGinnisII: changing to choose and see what it does, smh...wow i suck at reading the rules i guess

aCat: so you are given incorrect mana values?

aCat: in display it is ok because there are multimove turns

aCat: oh

aCat: opponent has double 3 because of his mana bonus

aCat: 'The second player receives his +1 max mana bonus until he spends all his mana during a turn.'

PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh it does like frame anims, but yes the mana given to me in the first line of input as player 0 mimics what is happenning when player 1 uses all their mana

aCat: so he got 2 plus 1 bonus, and if he spends <3 then next turn he has 3 plus 1 bonus

aCat: spends 2

aCat: if he spends all 3 then next turn he has 'normal' 3 and no bonus anymore

aCat: is it clear now?

PatrickMcGinnisII: when player 1 triggers the bonusmana negating effect, it happens to player 0 too

PatrickMcGinnisII: because bonusmana isn't this.bonusmana

PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm not looking at code at this moment

PatrickMcGinnisII: changing from PICK to CHOOSE solved my deck problems, sry about that

PatrickMcGinnisII: no wonder i couldn't find bug in code for that one

aCat: but adding this won't change anything in code

aCat: aaa you mean id

PatrickMcGinnisII: frame 11 and frame 16 of the replay show the standard error stream of the mana data given...3 repeats ... as player 0, which it shouldn't

PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/636906659

aCat: I'm not you - I can;t see your standard error ;p

aCat: you have to give me your password to cg profile :D

PatrickMcGinnisII: oh i thought the replay...has the 3 dots...

aCat: can only see output and params

aCat: buit ok, i got the idea

aCat: well work on it - promise!

PatrickMcGinnisII: When player 1 instance is created, it changes the bonusmana for all Gamers

PatrickMcGinnisII: that's all i was trying to say

aCat: I think I see this, but have to check

aCat: thanks a lot

aCat: cat sleep bb

PatrickMcGinnisII: I don;'t know how that effects starting mana, i think they are both set to -1 ... so yea it'll probably need to be different, GL

DABAMA: is there a way to only get into shortest code

DABAMA: in clash of code

Ayza: unless you make a private clash, no

Darleanow: hey Ayza

Darleanow: :)

44AA44: DABAMA If you wanna make a private clash together so we can do shortest mode, I'm down!

Ayza: hey Darlean

Darleanow: hwy ?:)

Darleanow: i'm still stuck on ur freakin 1D bush fire :////

Ayza: lol, try doing other puzzles if your stuck

Ayza: for the 1D bush fire one I didn't split the string I just used indexes because yknow the f stops fire on the one before it + the one after it

Ayza: hope that was a good hint

Darleanow: not sure but i think i get it :)

Ayza: aw passed all testcases but failed validators 5 and 6 https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/sticky-keyboard

mjoshu4: Any one can help to enhance my php coding skills ? :<

Ayza: I am confused now, pretty sure I did all the statement does

Ayza: said *

Ayza: nvm, had to change one line and got 100%

Ayza: stupid mistake

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