eulerscheZahl: i can't make a new shield before the old disappeared? sad
aCat: no you cant
eulerscheZahl: oh, there it is
"SHIELD also protects entities from receiving a new SHIELD."
dbdr: yeah, need to be vulnerable one turn :D
aCat: bot its only one turn - even if he controls you
eulerscheZahl: what bot?
aCat: reapplied shield protects you
aCat: *but
aCat: damn how do i program if i miss the keys :P
eulerscheZahl: fr chat is asking that for years :P
eulerscheZahl: oh, blaster came out of the hide
VaseSimion: Anyone knows when the gold league starts?
jrke: ig today maybe not sure
_NikJ: jesus, that elo gap on blaster is insane :D
AshKetchum: i think it's 48 hours between each league opening
VaseSimion: Thanks
IvesL: how could we chat previous chat history?
IvesL: check*
eulerscheZahl: usually it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday
but silver was already off from the schedule, so...
eulerscheZahl: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2
logs from last 24h should be updated in 30min or so
eulerscheZahl: it says 5:29am but the server clock is off
Fubuchi: judging from the top 1, early push is meta now?
_NikJ: early push + stacking your wind, because obviously double wind - double the distance
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625119274
does this bot try to protect both sides?
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625119476
eulerscheZahl: good morning PatrickMcGinnisII
Fubuchi: this look easy to implement. Dunno what will happen when more people switch to this strategy. Too see who is faster? :grimacing:
PatrickMcGinnisII: catuesday moanin
CodeVixy: why does health, mana = input() and entity_count = input() work one after another if there is a line in between input for enemy health and mana..
eulerscheZahl: because there is a loop around health+mana
eulerscheZahl: and actually it does not work that way, as you overwrite these values in the loop
eulerscheZahl: it's just a starter template, you still have to modify it (it's auto-generated)
PatrickMcGinnisII: u see this craziness? https://www.codingame.com/replay/625089071
eulerscheZahl: MOB_SPAWN_RATE=0
eulerscheZahl: funny
CodeVixy: thank you, im struggling with the 'for i in range' bits and not having named objects.
eulerscheZahl: i think nerchio could handle it better
eulerscheZahl: check this out CodeVixy
https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/tree/main/starterAIs
PatrickMcGinnisII: php tarter, well there' a irs for everything
PatrickMcGinnisII: er starter
PatrickMcGinnisII: first
eulerscheZahl: so you have to pay taxes for the tarter?
jrke: i have my 10th grade final paper starting from tommorow but i a coding
jrke: :grinning:
_NikJ: I honestly saw IRS as well and was like tf
PatrickMcGinnisII: i had to pay $5288 in taxes yesterday... :(
SashaNukem: damn
eulerscheZahl: i'm pretty sure mine are higher
eulerscheZahl: but we have public health insurance
PatrickMcGinnisII: that was for just propery, IRS was last week
PatrickMcGinnisII: crooks
eulerscheZahl: everyone just wants your money
eulerscheZahl: not me, all i want is legend
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have a water well pump, had it fixed yesterday too... they kept trying to lie to me to pad the bill. crooks everywhere
PatrickMcGinnisII: you will get legend
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm doing ok, but i bet it will be hard to get out of gold
PatrickMcGinnisII: waiting to resub ide code if I don't make it
PatrickMcGinnisII: heh
jamil321: Is there any way I can go back to a previous codebase?
jamil321: I thoroughly messed up my code :(
ceggart: History, you will se your submitted code of the arena
Quidome: Always use git and commit often
Quidome: but yes history in codingames can help out
eulerscheZahl: SpringChallenge2022 git:(master) ✗ git log --oneline | wc -l
4
eulerscheZahl: i have 4 commits, not that much
Quidome: 4 is far better then zero
Quidome: :punch:
eulerscheZahl: and the branch is master, not main
my political correctness can be improved
_NikJ: oh how dare you use master instead of main, you're so InSeNsITiVe
Quidome: I think master is the current default isn't it?
eulerscheZahl: my git version should be recent and it's a fresh repo
eulerscheZahl: i want a BOMB spell in the game, too many spiders at once
_NikJ: that would actually be fun
_NikJ: cost like 200 mana
_NikJ: and a lifepoint :D
dbdr: or chain reactions
_NikJ: or if you hit an enemy with 3 winds, it goes 3 times as far
_NikJ: oh wait, that exists :d
eulerscheZahl: about 5 years ago at Russian AI Cup there was a too dominant strategy evolving around placing all units next to each other. organizers responded by adding an atomic bomb right before the end of beta testing
karliso: ironic
dbf: and it was easier to heal units after the bomb if you put them together, as earlier :)
eulerscheZahl: and then they sent you a tshirt with an explosion that looked like a hamburger
dbf: and hoodie!
eulerscheZahl: not for me, i opted for rage-quit early
dbf: ah, sad. there were interesting strategies with simulation and potential fields
dbf: eulerscheZahl looks like you submitted this morning, are submits fast now?
eulerscheZahl: yes
dbf: thanks, will try a couple of minor fixes, hope gold will be open today
jrke: what can be the expected cut off for gold?
jrke: 600-700?
eulerscheZahl: honestly: really hard to tell
eulerscheZahl: silver opening may have been a boss that existed before the CG contest, as this was an internal hackathon first
jrke: :neutral_face:
eulerscheZahl: if so, maybe it's the same for the next boss. i remember an internal contest where we were allowed to participate. all league up to gold existed before contest start already
eulerscheZahl: the fact that a league opened on sunday supports my hypothesis. usually they open leagues on workdays
jrke: so if bosses are fixed so does that means gold boss is already there?
eulerscheZahl: gold boss probably not. but silver boss might be determined already. i don't have any insider info
dbdr: scripted boss opening? that's brave
jrke: ah oki, thnx
eulerscheZahl: have you seen the league opening? they resubmitted all 2000 silver players at once
dbdr: yeah
eulerscheZahl: they haven't done that in ages, always just moved the bots while keeping the scores
jrke: maybe because they decreased total no. of battles in bronze league
eulerscheZahl: they did? it's always less for bronze
Illedan: They did
eulerscheZahl: missed that. did they say so here on chat?
Illedan: Nah
Illedan: It was 90 and suddenly it was 45
jrke: https://prnt.sc/I899hjpnLeNv
jrke: maybe during this time ^
dbf: yes, after the game stuck on second day
eulerscheZahl: i know. gets slow again now
dbf: yes :(
dbf: just after my submit :joy:
dbf: and only 202 are computing - not too much
dbdr: https://snipboard.io/j8Kofi.jpg
dbdr: ah, it's _NikJ
eulerscheZahl: that was a decent game with balanced spells
MindController: Guys, if I control an monster
eulerscheZahl: just not open source
MindController: Does his V.x and V.y changes in input?
eulerscheZahl: no, it's a bug
eulerscheZahl: CG agrees that it's a bug but hasn't decided if they want to fix it
_NikJ: what's that dbdr? Work proxy is blocking access, can't see it :
eulerscheZahl: FLIPENDO
MindController: Man, its already second bug with the input
dbdr: you printin Flippendo _NikJ
eulerscheZahl: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/70
so yes, that’s a bug in the input : vx and vy should be updated too. We’ll see if we fix it tomorrow or decide to let it as it is.
_NikJ: ah yes, back from Fanstastic bits contest :D
eulerscheZahl: what's the other input bug?
MindController: Sometimes monsters with threat_for being 1 or 2 just walks out of the map
_NikJ: I print HP spells on all of them, Protego, Imperio, Flipendo
eulerscheZahl: oh, funny
MindController: When the end point is very close the 5000 mark
eulerscheZahl: didn't even notice. i initially ignored the flags and computed on my own
eulerscheZahl: but the CONTROL input bug made it impossible
MindController: Sometimes threat_for gets confused
eulerscheZahl: we can neither trust the v to compute on our own nor the threat flag, great
_NikJ: is there anything we can trust except that the whole thing is broken af? :D
MindController: But how do i compute v from enemy control spells then?
eulerscheZahl: you can trust me when i say i won't pursue after i reach legend
eulerscheZahl: you don't, that's the problem
dbdr: I just assumed opponent control was intentionally hidden
dbdr: curious if they will change it
_NikJ: I won't even bother with legend tbh, I've lost 500 ranks by going from 3 def to 2 def 1 atk mode
_NikJ: I suck at defending with 2, obviously
dbdr: try 2 attackers ;)
jrke: :grinning:
_NikJ: and stack the winds? :D
blasterpoard: it's a bait, don't
_NikJ: rather not
_NikJ: "it's a bait, don't" said blaster, while being ahead of everyone by 7 elo
aangairbender: btw will the bug about mob speed after control be fixed?
aangairbender: just had a match with blasterpoard and lived 211 tickes. kinda achievement
eulerscheZahl: aangairbender read my last messages
dinggg: Anyone know how many people join Gold straight away? Or is it based on the bot's grading/scroring?
eulerscheZahl: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/70
so yes, that’s a bug in the input : vx and vy should be updated too. We’ll see if we fix it tomorrow or decide to let it as it is.
eulerscheZahl: usually it's about 20-30% of silver to gold. but that's speculation, a lot of things are different this contest
dinggg: Okay, thanks.
aangairbender: thanks eulerscheZahl
_NikJ: Internal error. An error report has been sent to the CodinGame team.
_NikJ: say what
eulerscheZahl: what did you do to trigger it?
_NikJ: clicked replayed in same conditions lol
msumera: and do you know how many will go to legend? not sure if my 22th place bot is safe or i need to work on it a bit more :)
blasterpoard: msumera its' not safe, it will
blasterpoard: go to rank 100+ before legend
aCat: gold confirmed today?
msumera: and how many bots are usually in legend?
dbdr: around 20 when it opens
_NikJ: never stop improving it, there are people who are hiding their bots
mokinau: hi how much do you get paid bros
mokinau: :money_mouth:
eulerscheZahl: last time legend was much bigger than 20
Illedan: Nothing is confirmed here. You have to guess it based on the direction of the starts at any given time.
mokinau: get sum bitches fr
eulerscheZahl: mods here?
eulerscheZahl: right, we have dbdr
mokinau: mOdS heRe? :nerd:
eulerscheZahl: grow up
eulerscheZahl: or i'll tell RamDeath
Ramdeath: yea?
eulerscheZahl: your student?
Ramdeath: sec checking
JozefPro: svx bicai
Ramdeath: its Konstanta students
Ramdeath: LSMU gymnasium
JozefPro: yeah
eulerscheZahl: oh, konstanta is another teacher?
Ramdeath: yeap
Ramdeath: sec i call him
eulerscheZahl: nah, don't bother
_NikJ: extra tough exams for this one
cegprakash: I just found someone who has very high win rate against blasterpoard
cegprakash: but he's not in top 100
cegprakash: and it's not me
cegprakash: ;)
aangairbender: replay?
cegprakash: secret
cegprakash: or blaster will counter that counter
cegprakash: I need to implement it first
cegprakash: :P
blasterpoard: yes, I definitely don't know about my bugs
cegprakash: it's kinda obv how to defend from blasterpoard tho
_NikJ: but you can't really know that you're playing against him, can you?
cegprakash: that's right _NikJ that's why he's not in top 100
dbdr: detect the behaviour, not the player
_NikJ: behaviour being losing a point within he first 10 turns? :d
cegprakash: blasterpoard: hint for u are stopping being aggressive if someone survives after 100 turns
cegprakash: may be coz of less mana
blasterpoard: cegprakash please, realize that I wrote that bot, I saw hundreds of its games and stop thinking you know something about it that I don't
samon27: Hi, does anybody noticed this thing: I'd like to set up a debug massage under each hero (
Append text after any command and that text will appear above your hero), but how should I append a text? just cout << CommandStr << debugMsgStr << endl; doest not work
cegprakash: add a space between commandStr and debgMsgStr samon27
samon27: omg really, thx!
derjack: :upside_down:
Ramdeath: mob takes damage before he moved or after?
eulerscheZahl: before
eulerscheZahl: so you have a final chance to kill the mob
Ramdeath: so hero do full move, hit mobs around 800 distance and then mobs move, right?
eulerscheZahl: correct
Ramdeath: tnx
dbdr: before
eulerscheZahl: chat scroll?
dbdr: yep :D
Rhadamanthus: lol that moment when I send what I think a better script but it does worse :sweat_smile:
eulerscheZahl: might be randomness in submits
DanTheMan832: can you recover previous code?
ItsNotABug: yes
DanTheMan832: how?
eulerscheZahl: left side => history
Rhadamanthus: Yeah I'm committing all versions in git. It's still at 14% or so, maybe it will get better
IvesL: only for previous submission
Rhadamanthus: Oh!
DanTheMan832: ty
Rhadamanthus: Thanks!
TheDiscoCarnivore_7d72: what's up!!!
TheDiscoCarnivore_7d72: y batman task really is hard?
cegprakash: how do I find if a enemy hero is casting control this turn or casted control in the last turn
ItsNotABug: You wouldn't know this turns actions until they're cast
Fox787: Some people run a sim on the enemy for a small time and then run their own turns. could use that to predict the enemy is going to spell control, but otherwise no way to know until it's active
Pentracchiano: How do you run a simulation without knowing the enemy's strategy?
Fox787: you run your sim, as the enemy, in the enemies position for a small time, then assume that the best action, is what they'll do against you
Pentracchiano: So you run the sim as the enemy assuming it would behave like you do and then pick the best action you would do in their situation?
Pentracchiano: (thanks btw)
Fox787: Yeah at least that was one of the leading strategies from previous contests
GuillaumeDrillaud: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2365406ff0f8526ee6a1908a0e819a6c3e25db9
antiwonto: [auto] hey GuillaumeDrillaud dont paste those links here. Use the channel #clash
Pentracchiano: thanks fox-man
elderlybeginner: When gold league opens?
eulerscheZahl: we don't know
_NikJ: I no longer care about it, my bot sucks, it can't reach gold
cegprakash: oh come on _NikJ u are at 800 u can do it
cegprakash: and u are wrecking me even tho I'm top 100
_NikJ: I went from 200th to 800th when I improved my bot :D
_NikJ: so at this point, I don't even know where to go from here
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/625281632
cegprakash: look at u u dominate me
eulerscheZahl: "and [yo]u are wrecking me even tho[ugh] I'm top 100"
the whole game is a rock paper scissors festival
Uljahn: Thibaud said on discord the gold opening is 4 hours and a half from now
eulerscheZahl: ah, gold still on friday or also a day earlier then?
eulerscheZahl: legend*
Uljahn: dunno, most likely a day earlier
cegprakash: the whole game is a rock paper scissors festival - except that we have tables, chairs, ladders, rocket launchers, butterflies and so and so
_NikJ: cegprakash eh, looks cool at times, but it fails often
eulerscheZahl: i hope so, that would result in a weaker boss
cegprakash: _NikJ fix one game at a time
eulerscheZahl: weak is good when you don't want to play
_NikJ: when is this replay from? cegprakash I believe I've ruined the bot quite a lot since then :D
eulerscheZahl: it's your arena version
eulerscheZahl: you see that from the rank in the star. doesn't show for older versions
cegprakash: just now _NikJ
raxkin: I have a question. If i do a WIND spell, it will move 2200 only or will move 2200 + the 400 unit that the monster will normally move(if the push was in the same direction)?
_NikJ: cegprakash it's weird that I kept pulling you out of base, I thought I put cooldowns on spells
_NikJ: Anyone else using cooldowns on spells?
Dapps: Do you mean so you don't keep spamming the same spell?
cegprakash: _NikJ if it works it's a feature
_NikJ: yes
Dapps: I don't.. i usually end up in wind battles over a single spider lol
ZndrBrok: o/ humans
ZndrBrok: and not humans :P
Pentracchiano: @raxkin the wind spell prevents the monster's move in the same round
Pentracchiano: you can find it in the action order rules for a turn
Pentracchiano: rule 7
Pentracchiano: Are submission times still quite long?
It discourages me a lot from playing :/
Dapps: How long is long.. mine were taking 2-3 hours yesterday evening
Pentracchiano: you're asking the right questions
Pentracchiano: i'll just revert to how long are submissions now in silver?
Jerrasterix: just now submitted will let you know when done :wink:
Jerrasterix: long time no see automaton200
Jerrasterix: long time no see automaton2000
Automaton2000: if mob is used instead of monster, you safe 50% of chars per use
Jerrasterix: aren't both mob and monsters the same Automaton2000
Automaton2000: does anyone know the best way to learn a new language
Thyl: gg jrke !
cegprakash: the game sometimes is asymmetrical
dbdr: in corner cases cegprakash?
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/625324245
cegprakash: same code no random
cegprakash: turn 189
_NikJ: I've noticed that too
dbdr: assuming your code is symmetrical ;)
dbdr: but I think it's true because of off by one differences
_NikJ: I thought maybe my positions were not "symmetrical" when playing both sides
burnpanck: @cegprakash https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/21
eulerscheZahl: we had much worse than that (code royale)
struct: hi
eulerscheZahl: The Gold league opens today at 3 pm UTC. The Legend league will open on Thursday at the same time.
Thorcode: kinda fast
Illedan: Isnt Legend on friday?
Illedan: Is the wind outside the map by blaster fixed?
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625356180
Frame 109 to 113 Blue hero right side
eulerscheZahl: check your emails Illedan, it says Thursday
dbf: I hope that CG team still has access to website - they send an email instead of specifying date at the top of the page as usual :)
Illedan: Huh?
Illedan: Oh
Illedan: Legend
Bezbiletnik: How to exit from insert mode(vim) here? Because escape does not work
eulerscheZahl: settings on the left, set to normal mode
dbf: reset button is a nice control for vim
eulerscheZahl: or re-install your browser to undo any settings you've made by accident
eulerscheZahl: "I hope that CG team still has access to website"
nice trolling
Bezbiletnik: Hah, okay thanks
eulerscheZahl: and not even a holiday in France. no idea why not friday but i'm happy with it
dbdr: can quit earlier? ;)
dbf: :joy:
dbf: also if legend starts earlier and they cut the same number of people it means that bot is easier
dbf: boss is easier
eulerscheZahl: exactly, the rage quit is near
eulerscheZahl: and my submit is top20 somehow
eulerscheZahl: don't ask me how, it's garbage
dbdr: or they troll boss = #1
struct: Illedan I dont think you will see any fixes
eulerscheZahl: no, that would scare the newbies
Illedan: What about that replay then?
eulerscheZahl: last time the gold boss was around rank 50
dbdr: the new meta
eulerscheZahl: even the discussion about meta...
you don't have that during simulation heavy contests
eulerscheZahl: at least not to that extent
Illedan: Then we talk about sims
Illedan: :P
struct: Where should the spider be pushed too?
eulerscheZahl: the firepit
Illedan: Depends on your location struct
struct: if you aimed with your hero x it would go down
struct: But this seems weird that it doesnt move at all
SashaNukem: can I use multiple file in this?
eulerscheZahl: only with some offline setup to bundle them
dbf: eulerscheZahl "don't ask me how, it's garbage" - still no sim? :flushed:
Thorcode: this puzzle is hard to control the knight around but the killing and using spell is easy
eulerscheZahl: i have a sim but it's disabled
eulerscheZahl: hero, not knight ;)
Thorcode: it just a knight with spell
eulerscheZahl: it has a pony tail, maybe it's a queen
Thorcode: ah yeah
Kellthazar: Well pointed, euler, :D
burnpanck: we don't want to judge the gender people identify with just from their appearance, do we? :wink:
Thorcode: knight could be a women
Kellthazar: Brienne of Tarth
Spressed: is the ASCII art challenge easy?
Illedan: eulerscheZahl, not even sim for mana?
eulerscheZahl: oh, that. yes
eulerscheZahl: and spots where the bug will be in the next turns to properly intercept the path
eulerscheZahl: and picking a spot to slap multiple spiders at once
Illedan: I need that intercept thing too :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: spider slapping, that sounds weird
Illedan: I'm not judging
WannaBeHum1n: how does monsters heath scale
WannaBeHum1n: is it always 12 to 15 to 17 to 22 ,
WannaBeHum1n: ?
eulerscheZahl: it starts with 10
SlurpasGasskagg: Regarding "health and mana", do you always get your health+mana first and second is the opponent or is it always upleft first and then downright player?
eulerscheZahl: you, then opponent
SlurpasGasskagg: thx sir! :)
eulerscheZahl: "First 2 lines: two integers baseHealth and mana for the remaining health and mana for both players. Your data is always given first."
Tuo: Formula spider maxHp = 10 + turn // 10 works pretty well
SlurpasGasskagg: @eulerscheZahl u know blindness always starts with the eyes :P
ThomasNicoullaud: eulerscheZahl road to top 1 without submit
eulerscheZahl: not sure if i get that sentence. you mean i get pushed up by other submitters?
eulerscheZahl: rock paper scissors is strong in this game
ThomasNicoullaud: I mean the last time I looked the leaderboard you were +50 :D
eulerscheZahl: i submitted in the meantime
eulerscheZahl: was 16th during the submit temporarily
struct: are you enjoying the game more euler?
MACKEYTH: blasterpoard's success drove me to switch to a double wind bot.
eulerscheZahl: i still passionately hate it
MACKEYTH: Doing so-so so far. Not as good as my single attacker bot. yet.
wlesavo: MACKEYTH that was his plan all along
struct: has any bug been fixed yet?
eulerscheZahl: but legend is near, which gives me the strength to keep going
eulerscheZahl: no idea, let me check the inputs again
eulerscheZahl: i coded around the v bug
eulerscheZahl: still wrong
struct: thanks
struct: I just canceled everything I had for the next days, time to aim for legend
TobiasA: I can't wait for the next contest
eulerscheZahl: more escapes?
TobiasA: this one is irritating
TobiasA: no bot programming
struct: Im also not a fan of it
struct: But I havent really tried it yet
struct: I'm sure there are people that enjoy it
TobiasA: yea I can hear their evil laughter from here
aCat: struct sim or heur ;-)?
struct: I'm not a fan of heur
aCat: I just can't focus to write eval and search, adding more heuristics is too easy
struct: I'll try sim
struct: But maybe a mix of both
aCat: :+1:
aCat: yeah probably mix will be
wlesavo: just add more heuristics into your eval :slight_smile:
struct: wlesavo the problem is that my evals usually are
struct: hasPlayerWon(id);
struct: :)
wlesavo: that is one of the best heuristic there is
struct: Yeah, i just cant use it on turn 1
DaNinja: sim to turn 220
Dapps: That's what I use first turn for
eulerscheZahl: clever
andyyyyy: I literally don't know what I'm doing
dbf: I added a lot of heuristics to fix particular game issues and got ~-200 in total rank
dbf: probably they made something else worse :(
andyyyyy: you guys are too smart for me
derjack: :blush:
cegprakash: I can't believe I lost to a bag of rice http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2022/cegprakash
cegprakash: how is a bag of rice beating me
_NikJ: It's been asked at least 93483 times so far, but I still don't know: If a target's shieldlife is = 1, can you cast shield so it starts from the next, or does it have to be vulnerable for 1 turn?
SadKris: Can 3 people do better than me in Clash of Code? I'm currently rank 1334
BJD: you can't, it will be vulnerable
andyyyyy: Is it true you guys have PhDs in mathematics and computer science?
Hamp: who has the best "turtle" bot? (Just going for wild mana and defending)
cegprakash: false. I don't know how to generate a 30 degree vector andyyyyy
_NikJ: Nerchio or something I believe, Hamp
ScifiSpirit: I'm afraid i just saw the kind of bot behavior that makes me think that defensive strategy is unviable against aggressive opponent. Or at least not sure how to counter it.
ScifiSpirit: I'm fairly sure that the aggressive strategy is prevalent in higher leagues.
_NikJ: I don't think many people know how to counter those super aggressive people, as we can see by blaster's bot shredding through silver
Madara-Uchiha: phew
Madara-Uchiha: the chat isn't dead for new account now
Hamp: Defensive strategy can definitely be countered, I was just curious since I seem to lose to them most of the time
Hamp: and so far I have lost every fight vs nerchio even though I'm rank 18 and he is 400ish
_NikJ: weird, he was like top 10 last night
_NikJ: or perhaps I'm mistaken
Aya_Noaman: is there any way i can hide even the sidebar of this chat because it's a bit distracting every time an icon moves
_NikJ: by using an external editor :D
Hamp: Oh, he just submitted it seems, nevermind
fsoares-: @Aya_Noaman Arrow button in the bottom left
_NikJ: I'm sure you can remove the whole thing through inspect element though
ScifiSpirit: Just like how it is in Mad Pod Racing, nothing but colliding bots there. I guess that's where they got the idea for the name.
fsoares-: I don't have that high of reading comprehension
Dapps: Been trying to counter blaster bot for last hour.. nothing. Not smart enough to beat it.
dbdr: tfw your first match is against blaster :D
Clagus: does shield block from wind?
ahorling: yes
Thorcode: i think no
Alurian: yes
Alurian: why wouldnt it
Clagus: so if I have shield, wind will not move me?
BJD: yes
ahorling: correct
Clagus: thx! crazy!
Thorcode: that's good
Thorcode: thanks for the infor
Alurian: half an hour!!
Abdi-29: i can't advance in silver:sob:
Thorcode: me too xd
Alurian: i'm hanging around 500 atm. but i'm confident the next upload will bring me lower
Kellthazar: wild mana farm seems be very effective
ahorling: able to beat the AI pretty consistantly
Alurian: jup
ahorling: its the other players that mess me up now lmao
Alurian: 70% or more of the winds are through wild mana for me
PatrickMcGinnisII: Have mercy on me...I shield, enemy controls same mob simultaneous, result is a mob that can't be spelled going the wrong way....like wtf
therealbeef: i don't think that is correct. do you have a replay?
Tuo: what happens if you give spell coordinates outside of the map?
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625486132 frame 173
PatrickMcGinnisII: shileld on mob 115, control on 115
jrke: damn what i did gold in 5 mins and i made submit lol
WolfDarrigan: That seems to be what is intended.
therealbeef: ah ok, i thought you we're talking about a bug ;-) yeah that move sucks
dbf: ok, where is The Boss?
Alurian: it wil come in a min
Nerchio: perfect time for submit
Alurian: how many will be in gold?
MeWhenI: 2
DaNinja: tree fiddy
blasterpoard: 450-ish, give or take a hundred
Alurian: damn
jrke: i will go 600+ bet
Alurian: then im barely in or out
msumera: 1000
Alurian: boss here
Waffle3z: o boy
Nerchio: 457
Nerchio: boss place
msumera: yay, i'm in gold
kreska: me too with my lousy bot:D
Waffle3z: hopefully fewer than 2000 being promoted today
VizGhar: 450? too much
MeWhenI: 2000 would be like the whole silver league
msumera: 80 promoted for now
_NikJ: oh look, ANOTHER samsung sds :D
Alurian: i beat boss
Nerchio: boss feels weak
jrke: ah man again recomputation in gold
DomiKo: can we guess how it is?
DomiKo: who*
msumera: boss writes hero ids on each move, it would be possible to guess that
Jerrasterix: wait but why is blaster not in gold yet ??
msumera: it takes time to process all bots
Jerrasterix: ahahah....
Jerrasterix: I am sus of this samsung SDS _NikJ :thinking:
Murat_Eroglu: ah crap, here we go again
Fubuchi: easy win silver bot. Time to rest for a day and change to an aggressive bot. My current attack strategy is is too weak
cegprakash: lets have 10 seconds silence in the chat to pray for the servers which is gonna burn for the next few hours.
dbf: yep, recalc - no submits in several hours
conejoAndy:
Whiskee: gold is much smaller than silver was, so maybe not as many hours
cclaude42: Hey everyone! Quick question : what's the best way to know if new code does better without going through two hours of Submit ?
msumera: you can try to challenge some players in IDE
IvesL: manually beat higher ranking palyers?
msumera: or your own submitted bot
PatrickMcGinnisII: .5 below boss, fml
PatrickMcGinnisII: er ,05
DuckyLuckVN: Hello guys, I don't know why the error is always display :(
Game Summary:
Bad command
cegprakash: cclaude42 play ur IDE code vs arena code
_NikJ: what rank is the bot
Mortis_666: seeing myself at top 10 is very weird lol
jrke: geez the servers are not gonna burn that much cause total no of battles are less
cegprakash: Mort
PatrickMcGinnisII: now above by .04
cegprakash: Mortis_666 same here..
PatrickMcGinnisII: such suspense
cegprakash: okay there comes the promotions
Mortis_666: 😂
dbf: looks like very few games in gold? I have 6 for now and I'm on 19%
jrke: yeah
dbf: or it is just for initial recalc?
jrke: for now maybe
aCat: that would be reasonable
Dapps: rank jumping like crazy every few seconds
aCat: surprisingly for cg oO
Nerchio: i am stuck in silver on 18% submit
cegprakash: my promotion is stopped till all the bots above me finishes computing?
cclaude42: Thanks for the answers! How do I "manually" try against other players though ? Do I need to run it locally with the referee code ?
SirLoxley: omg, such suspense, I am bouncing between just above the line and beneath
cegprakash: cclaude42 below ur browser IDE u can choose the player cclaude42
cegprakash: u can even try as 2nd player.. u can even play you against you
cclaude42: Wait you can add players to that little "players" box ?
Waffle3z: was in 800th and added a line to save mana by avoiding using wind for defense unless there's an opponent hero nearby, gold opened while my submit was calculating
cclaude42: I thought it was just me and boss
JohnyDaison: not add, but delete and put someone else
Waffle3z: conserving mana gained about 350 places though so I should end up in gold
cclaude42: Ohhhhh cool! Had no idea
VizGhar: you can even swap position / color cclaude42
Waffle3z: you can also delete yourself and run 2 other people against each other
Dapps: everytime i tried conserving mana i did worse.. i basically let the bot do whatever it wants for now
twopheek: had this change in my todo for a long time.
twopheek: I will implement it to see :grinning:
Kururugi: any new rules in gold?
aCat: no new rules after bronze
ashiknur: how many will advance to the gold?
cclaude42: Does the rule "if you're better than the boss you're promoted" still apply here to us silvers ?
Kururugi: yes
Kururugi: if your ranking is better
cclaude42: Oh nice
MichExpatMatt: Good morning, I see there is suddenly a silver boss
Kururugi: not just boss
cegprakash: ashiknur already about 400 are in gold and many are in submission phase.. so I'm guessing 1000 ppl on gold in next 1 or 2 hrs
JohnyDaison: Does language choice affect execution time? Like if wrote the same thing in C++ rather than C#, would it automatically execute in less ms?
jrke: boss was at 457 ner chio mentioned
jrke: so maybe 700-800 in next 1-2 hrs
Nerchio: jr ke yeah
VizGhar: way too much
Jerrasterix: JohnyDaison, yess since C++ is compiled
Nerchio: boss doesn't seem very strong but I mean its silver ^^
Jerrasterix: now it is in 75
JohnyDaison: so does it hold true even here on CodinGame? I don't know how they process our code.
Jerrasterix: yup
JohnyDaison: Hmm, now seriously considering rewriting it from scratch in C++
Jerrasterix: well do you have a calculation heavy sim ?? if no, it is a waste
JohnyDaison: I don't, I have a heuristic ATM, but I wanna rewrite it to be more intelligent and I'm already at 20-30 ms range, so I'm thinking maybe it's worth it
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like top 500 should end up in gold
cegprakash: top 1000 will PatrickMcGinnisII I see 10 promotions a min at least
cegprakash: it was like 380 4 mins back.. now it's 422
PatrickMcGinnisII: i'm right near silver boss
PatrickMcGinnisII: so what is in gold plus the 50 above boss ~500
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have better code, but want to promote first
aCat: aaand you are above ;p
aCat: I'm 5 places below ;]
aCat: ouh, above :-)
DomiKo: :smile_cat:
MichExpatMatt: these ranks and scores are really moving this morning, I take it they are still filtering people into gold
Amiral: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b1e0b53a-5bcd-4144-bed5-c1afd671dd24
Amiral: Is anyone facing an issue with the battles?
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's wild mana not all mana
BJD: the score is based on how much mana you earned outside your base, not your remaining mana
PatrickMcGinnisII: my coffee machine has more wild mana
Amiral: Oooh!! I miss that part, thanks for the explanation
Ratosh: "wild mana: mana gained outside the radius of your base. "
NewCoder09: gold league is open
ClockSort: cool, i should be out of Wood 2 soon
lolTempest: you can get out of wood 2 with the first video guide on the codingame youtube channel
ClockSort: I'd rather get out of Wood 2 with DUCT MCTS
lolTempest: understandable
lolTempest: im just trying to finish the optimization path
lolTempest: Im top 3% on the optimization leaderboard but they want me to be top 2% :C
ClockSort: oh, interesting.
ClockSort: we can't all be top 2%
lolTempest: exactly
lolTempest: i wish it was based on country rankings and not world rankings
Clagus: any ideas how to defend vs CONTROL -> SHIELD on high level monsters?
VizGhar: actively look for opponent hero and deny him :)
burnpanck: Clagus push the enemy hero away before it does CONTROL -> SHIELD:grinning:
Tuo: 2 heroes defend with early wind on spiders works
Aramang: if its already happened double teaming the mob should be enough
Tuo: danger with that is if you get stuck in own base and dont make any wild mana
Aramang: youd only need 2 right near the end
dbf: lol
PatrickMcGinnisII: aCat your defense is good https://www.codingame.com/replay/625539896
Nerchio: "your defense is good" and you provider a replay where he loses
Nerchio: :joy:
lolTempest: i thought i was the only one who noticed that
lolTempest: xD
PatrickMcGinnisII: it is good tho, not a backhanded compliment
aCat: these are just a few damn rules
aCat: half of the constes and I still can;t decide heur or sim
aCat: but thanks ;-)
aCat: I put some thought into this nevertheless ^^'
Th1nhNg0: I'm currently training deep reinforcement Learning with the env that I use from java source code, and it look very promise
PatrickMcGinnisII: you make my ide code go to 220, and you farm better, so u win against me. I may get a mob in there now and then, but u defend against my main att everytime
Emmus: aCat, when you control, do you send the spiders to the opponents base?
Th1nhNg0: my RL AI is winning 30% vs my current code xD
PatrickMcGinnisII: i'm below boss again
PatrickMcGinnisII: wth
Jerrasterix: you wrote a RL AI Th1nhNg0 ??
aCat: Emmus nope
aCat: I play ping pong ;]
Th1nhNg0: yes Jerrasterix
aCat: sending them on diagonal, so I can farm them
aCat: going on a perimeter of the base
DollarAkshay: @Th1nhNg0 how many hours of offlijne training ?
aCat: that was the idea, but I will probably turn this part off :(
Th1nhNg0: DollarAkshay 8 hour till now
Emmus: Well try to send them to the opponent base, and see if it woks better :) your idea is also good ;) @aCat
DollarAkshay: @Th1nhNg0 Share some winningreplays. I am curious
Th1nhNg0: I'm still dont know how to put it on codingame
Th1nhNg0: because no library xD
DollarAkshay: You have to put the weights and biases in the source code
DollarAkshay: But the source code has a limit of 50k characters I think
therealbeef: 100k
JRFerguson: i don't quite understand this
JRFerguson: After an entity moves towards a point, its coordinates are truncated (when below halfway across the map) or rounded up (when above halfway across the map)
Th1nhNg0: hmm
Th1nhNg0: I will try it
JRFerguson: what does it mean "halfway across the map" ?
DollarAkshay: @JRFerguson it is truncated towards the origin point
DollarAkshay: origin = middle point
aCat: Emmus but such approaches end with not having manna
aCat: I've seen such tries
Wontonimo: half way ? like, the point at witch continuing to go towards the center results in you moving away ?!?
Wontonimo: aww ... I didn't get into Gold ;(
DollarAkshay: @Wontonimo I think you are talking about something else
Wontonimo: I was responding to JRFerguson
l10r: Did anyone encounter a problem where he didn't get the opponent heros?\
Wontonimo: when going towards the center of something, once you get half way across it you are now going away from the center
Wontonimo: I was trolling, if that wasn't clear
Emmus: |10r like the coordinates of the heros?
DollarAkshay: @l10r Yeah once you reach Wood 1, there is fog of war you cant see everything
l10r: @DollarAkshay thanks!
Jerrasterix: I have a doubt, how did you guys manage to individually constrol the units
DollarAkshay: Jerrasterix you can use the CONTROLL spell
JRFerguson: i still don't get that trouncated and rounded up rule
JRFerguson: can someone post a pseudocode ?
Jerrasterix: I am talking about controlling my own units as different ones
JRFerguson: *truncated
DollarAkshay: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Vector.java
aCat: search referee
DollarAkshay: The symetricTruncate function in this file
aCat: yeh, there it is :-)
JRFerguson: yeah, that uses functions that i don't get what are doing
Shrimpster: Whats up people!!
cagriy: hello from ISTANBUL <3
Shrimpster: Hello Istanbul! Sherefe!
Shrimpster: :beer:
DaNinja: for symmetric truncate I used if (x<width/2) ceil(x) else floor(x)
Murat_Eroglu: Cheers komsu
DaNinja: not sure if its correct, but results seem to match the next turn inputs
JRFerguson: DaNinja, thanks. It seems to be the opposite to what i understand the rules say, but i will try it that way
Waffle3z: heroes move before monsters, so if a hero is within 1600 units of a monster, it can move directly towards it and hit it on the same turn, right?
Nerchio: yes
BJD: yes
aCat: yes
Waffle3z: yes
ARKAquatic: yes
BrunoFelthes: yes
Dapps: maybe
Waffle3z: trying to position the hero between 2 monsters so it hits both of them, but it keeps missing one https://www.codingame.com/replay/625568820 around frame 70
Waffle3z: it only goes in-between if the distance between the 2 monsters is less than 1600
JRFerguson: take into account that heros move first, then damage is computed, and then monsters move
Nerchio: looks too far
rcrl: Hey Waffle3z, make sure the distance between your hero and the destination is less than 800 units
ashiknur: what is the rank of boss4 now?
rcrl: Else he will go too far
rcrl: (Kudos for using LUA)
ceggart: 30.62
Waffle3z: kinda unbelievable how it whiffed that purple monster at frame 80, I can see the sword animation go through the spider https://www.codingame.com/replay/625584756
Waffle3z: ig the animation doesn't exactly represent the state
DollarAkshay: The attack is calculated before the monster moves
DollarAkshay: Waffle3z
avdg: hmm silver boss seems easy for me and I'm not yet in gold
I guess ranking is still in progress?
Nerchio: you won't be gold without submit
avdg: ah and I discovered a bug in my bot that I want to fix first :p
avdg: but my bot still can beat it though without the fix
Nerchio: you need to beat others too, not just the boss
MeWhenI: where can i find the puzzle of the week?
TobiasA: Damn I don't think I have strategy I reach gold:disappointed_relieved:
TobiasA: but at the same time I want to reach legend
avdg: hmm mine mostly gains it strength by defending
TobiasA: what the hell am I typing
avdg: the planner is quite simple strat, but some code planning is required compared to ah-this-one-goes-there
aatj: Is there a cut off for gold league, or can we continue to improve the bot if we miss the threshold at the first sort?
avdg: just beat the boss, nothing more
avdg: as long as your bot confronts it in the arena
aatj: Ah, I thought you had to get above the ranking of the boss.
avdg: yeah, if you win you go above
eulerscheZahl: where did my last battles go? doesn't even show 50 of them
avdg: though if you rank lower than the boss a few times too much, you will not gain leages either
therealbeef: after submit, after 100% of battle done, if rating > boss rating then you promote, simple as that
aatj: Thanks.
therealbeef: well, even after 100%, if you are lower rating, but then someone beats the boss a few times and lowers its rating to below yours, you still promote
avdg: probably depend on point of measurement
avdg: because I had it a few times as well
avdg: accidently bump
therealbeef: the point of measurement is any time after you've played the necessary number of matches
Th1nhNg0: I think only cast spell after specific turn is a better strategy
avdg: hmm I loose my games now against the ai after I made my fix
LLG: yeah I save up mana for a big push
LLG: unless if I absolutely have to use it defensively
avdg: basically I had a bot that didn't move when it started on the bottom right
avdg: and now I fixed it, I loose games
avdg: hmm I had an off by 1 bug in a weird way because of refactorings at a few places
Th1nhNg0: how the rank system work? is it in the codingame FAQ
eulerscheZahl: TrueSkill algorithm
Th1nhNg0: thanks
Westicles: trivia question... how many of the 50+ CG contests have been won by americans?
lolTempest: 37
lolTempest: random guess
eulerscheZahl: 0? other random guess
Westicles: euler got it
lolTempest: zamn
eulerscheZahl: but how many by French players?
lolTempest: 20
lolTempest: 29**
TobiasA: 600
eulerscheZahl: Canada got a few thanks to a single user. but 2nd place in country rating is probably Russia
ryannnn: im streaming clash of codes with my chat if anyone wants to join in? twitch.tv/ryantupo
lolTempest: I would join it ryannnnn but im on my school computer :C
Westicles: good for you ryannnn, touching balls just got approved maybe you'll get it
lolTempest: :skull:
lolTempest: im dead
Westicles: ooh, thanks lolTempest
lolTempest: :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like imma stay in silver w/o resubmit cause boss pulls my defenders
lolTempest: unfortunate
cegprakash: lol PatrickMcGinnisII
cegprakash: shield urself -_-
PatrickMcGinnisII: yea just enabled that
PatrickMcGinnisII: but i didn't wanna resub, too many in silver
cegprakash: rank?
PatrickMcGinnisII: about 7th when everyone finally promotes
Illedan: eulerscheZahl, seems the low game count is only for today
eulerscheZahl: i see. screenshot time because it gave me a high rank
eulerscheZahl: oh, nevermind. already dropped again
Illedan: lol
PatrickMcGinnisII: silly boss4 https://www.codingame.com/replay/625624377
eulerscheZahl: just need to get lucky with rank fluctuation when legend opens
burnpanck: I hate this game. This morning I completed a full MCTS, using a value function that sees everything, with the goal to train a NN player. Then, I did just a tiny improvement to make my stupid heuristic bot make it to gold; and now I'm at Rank 9 - without using anything but WIND. And I even beat blaster: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625622128
burnpanck: (once)
Illedan: Lol
RIPS10: This is a good way to learn a new language :grinning:
PatrickMcGinnisII: now I'm right below boss again, probably geet pushed into gold if i wait
VizGhar: PatrickMcGinnisII just wait... this boss is week, somebody will pull him down
VizGhar: I can beat him 90% of time, but loosing to other bots :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: ide bot is better, but trudging thru 2.6k silver bots is not ideal
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh crap, just got promoted, tx CG gods
VizGhar: :thumbsup:
elisaado: hello world
SirLoxley: the things you learn while doing codingame ... never would have heard about LiangBarsky algorithm
TobiasA: LiangBarsky alogorithm?
SirLoxley: given a rectangle and a(n intersecting) line, tell me where it intersects
jacek: geometry :scream:
jacek: and why do you need it
Nerchio: :grin:
lolTempest: :laughing:
Nerchio: stay away from geometry not worth it
SirLoxley: I want to know where the critters would leave the map
eulerscheZahl: hey Nerchio, any plans to finish your submit and promote to gold before legend opening?
SirLoxley: to avoid pursuing a critter which isn't worth it
Nerchio: eulerscheZahl if codingame gods allow
Illedan: xD
SirLoxley: still working on defense only ... which got me to gold league
PatrickMcGinnisII: legend will take an almost complete rewrite for me
Illedan: I need 2 rewrites for legend
eulerscheZahl: did you reach legend before Patrick?
VizGhar: I need to start writing :|
Nerchio: not going to lie i mostly fix bugs instead of code something useful
eulerscheZahl: i procrastinate
PatrickMcGinnisII: eulerscheZahl hmm, not during a contest...maybe after when it went multi... dunno would have to look
eulerscheZahl: i have a feeling that legend is doable for you this contest
Illedan: :door: I'm out of this contest for a few days. https://www.codingame.com/replay/625636614
JB5: wild mana, is it obtained from attacking monsters outside 5000 units from home base? or 6000 units?
Dapps: lol that's quite a statement game Illedan
VizGhar: :D
Illedan: I submitted that Dapps
Dapps: :joy:
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, Line Racing. forgot original name of it
Nerchio: i am afraid it will win some games Illedan
Illedan: Sadly
jacek: tron
Illedan: Bye for now
jacek: oO
PatrickMcGinnisII: yeah i need achievments
eulerscheZahl: that came unexpected
eulerscheZahl: easier to burn bridges and do a rewrite when you don't permanently look at the ranking?
Illedan: Yes
eulerscheZahl: blocking the rank in the IDE with an ad blocker also helps
Illedan: I tried, didn't work
Illedan: In every game I'm looking at. All I have to do is to fix a stupid IF and I win
JB5: is wild mana obtained outside 5000 units from home base or 6000 units?
BJD: 5000
JB5: thanks
PatrickMcGinnisII: I've never been competitive on here like that. The process is the fun. lthough despite my crappy lang. (*cough*) still haven't gotten top 4 in lang
PatrickMcGinnisII: er top 3, i think achievvment is
PatrickMcGinnisII: or is it just 1st?
eulerscheZahl: top1, 3, 10
there are multiple
PatrickMcGinnisII: top 10 in USA would be a good goal for me on this contest
PatrickMcGinnisII: when it's done recalculating me, I'll submit with newest version a bit later
PatrickMcGinnisII: I gotten drive my daughter 3 hours round trip now tho. So yall glhf.
Nerchio: I simulate bugs for 75 turns but 2 different controls took its speed down to like 5 pixels so I reached the end of the array
Nerchio: I somehow thought bugs will always do 400 steps if they can
Waffle3z: don't they? take the position and add the velocity and that's their position on the next turn
eulerscheZahl: we should suggest a rule change so that they really move with 5 pixel per turn
eulerscheZahl: would make it easier to defend
Waffle3z: new rules in legend. monsters don't move. you have to use wind to send them at your opponent
PatrickMcGinnisII: i need to sim defending variations and separately attacking variations ... the issue is fog prediction. I'll think abou it on my drive
kovi: but you cant see them...unless it is possible to wind out them from spawn?
Nerchio: I was thinking about writing in-base sim for most optimal movement but I guess that shouldnt happen too often should focus on other things
blasterpoard: kovi it was possible, now it shouldn't be
PatrickMcGinnisII: rule change...hmm only 1 i can think of is the simultaneous Control and Shield...mobs should take damage and heros...maybe move 1/2 distance of con
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'll shuttup
eulerscheZahl: only control 1 hero each turn instead of all 3 at once
Westicles: screen needs to wrap around
eulerscheZahl: torus?
jacek: torus?
jacek: :x
eulerscheZahl: so the bases are connected
eulerscheZahl: oh, i got an echo
Nerchio: oh, i got an echo
eulerscheZahl: i totally saw this coming. just expected it to be from jacek
msumera: new rules in leged: heroes have health and can be attacked by enemies and monsters
NewCoder09: oh thats cool
JasonMep: hi guys
NewCoder09: hi
jacek: :upside_down:
Nerchio: take me out of silver pls I don't want to butcher them anymore
rcrl: That kind of butcher ? https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/625670318
Nerchio: rcrl legend
rcrl: ;D
Nerchio: but you are too far down we don't play any meaningful games
Nerchio: :sunglasses:
rcrl: I just re-run ;D
Nerchio: redirect into my own base into a loss https://www.codingame.com/replay/625683532
Nerchio: legendary
LaurensD: haha, did not know you can yeet them outside
Nerchio: yeah its spectacular for sure
Nerchio: goodbye silver peeps :kissing_heart:
dbf: tried to stay for them as long as possible? :)
Charwie: Woah
Charwie: so many smart people
LaurensD: haha
LaurensD: lucky gold boi
LaurensD: will probably be for a while at silver
awesomedude123: guys I need some helo
awesomedude123: I am doing this practice code and for some reason my conversion from char to binary is not working
awesomedude123: Mainly, converting % to binary is not working as well another test case which I believe would work if I solve this issue. pretty much, when converting, I get the string 100101 but the "right" string according to the answer is 0110101. I am not sure how that is right as I am not getting it at all
LaurensD: @nerchio you wild mana beast https://www.codingame.com/replay/625692324
awesomedude123: the first two test cases passed with my code for letters
jacek: awesomedude123 its always 7 bits long. add leading zeroes if needed
awesomedude123: ohhh
awesomedude123: is that for each one?
Nerchio: LaurensD take notes
awesomedude123: thank you so much
awesomedude123: i was stuck on that for two days and was confused
jacek: :tada:
dbf: nice trick from #2 - no defence and triple wind
Wontonimo: "Boss 4" ?!? That is so unimaginative
Nerchio: so we don't get info about monsters until they are inside the map zone? like x < 0 no info
LaurensD: @nerchio ~ throwing the enemy outside as fast as possible to get more wilds, looks delicious ~ made a little tweak for the monster controlling, they could have at least a certain amount of health
Nerchio: yeah the health thing i dont know I lose games to monsters with low hp pushed into my base
Nerchio: cause i dont cast spells on them
Waffle3z: strategy idea: use wind spells to round up your opponent's heroes and trap them in a corner if they never shield themselves
Nerchio: and you will spam wind to keep them there? :D
Waffle3z: yes
Waffle3z: then use your other 2 heroes to farm enough mana to keep it going
Dapps: seems like it could be the new meta
Nerchio: i dont think it would ever work and they can shield themselves too you know :D
Waffle3z: right, but who does that right now
LaurensD: me
LaurensD: randomly
LaurensD: lol
Waffle3z: collect enough mana to afford the set up, dedicate one hero to the corner, use the others to guide the opponent's 3 heroes into that corner, then maybe you can skip farming/defense and just try to kill them
LaurensD: make a hyperloop with 3 heroes (wind tunnel ):joy:
TobiasA: phew it was close but i'm now clear for gold:relieved:
Waffle3z: 754 computing
Waffle3z: another strategy idea: save up a ton of mana, then send 3 monsters toward the opponent's base and control spam their heroes so they can't move or shield themselves
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625714299
LaurensD: pretty crazy match =P
LaurensD: well, mostly struggling
LaurensD: need to make some mana checks
LaurensD: wasting turns :/
LaurensD: what is health? above mana?
LaurensD: it seems always to return 3
jacek: baby dont hurt me
jacek: if spider attacks your base, you lose 1 health
daffie: how many monsters can enter your base before you lose
LaurensD: oh
avdg: hmm lots of winds back and forth https://www.facebook.com/groups/148873935174525/?multi_permalinks=5249679541760580
LaurensD: those heart, haha
daffie: attack your base I mean
avdg: I like how the ai keeps my defenders away from the monsters
LaurensD: I assume you are dutch then
LaurensD: hehe
avdg: I'm closest to being dutch while being not dutch I guess
Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625725571 what i dislike about the game, i didnt get info about mind controlled bug that was turned around into my base at 108
Nerchio: I don't know I guess you could deduct from enemy mana and them standing in place that something was casted
NewCoder09: Hey Nerchio
daffie: "If an entity is being moved via a WIND from multiple sources at once, it will move to the sum of all given directions."
does this make it possible to push a monster all the way into enemy base if all three heros are able to hit it with wind at once?
dloukadakis: yes
aCat: no
aCat: about half of the map
aatj: Pretty aggressive strategy: from skotz: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625729223
daffie: the aggro range of the base is 5000 units and wind spell pushes a monster 2200 units, 3 heros casting would make the sum 6600 units?
dloukadakis: u can push a monster 6600 away
dloukadakis: assuming all the heroes are within 6600 of enemy base they can push it all the way in
daffie: yea so it is possible to push it into their base far enough to damage it
Waffle3z: if wind is used on a monster, does it still move on its own at the end of the turn?
daffie: yea except if it's pushed out of the base then it goes in a random direction
Waffle3z: so if a monster was moving directly toward the enemy base, 3 heroes could blow it from 7300 units away and damage the base on the same turn?
_NikJ: yes Waffle3z
daffie: thats what I am wondering
Waffle3z: and the heroes could be standing 800 units away from the monster, so they take a life from 8100 units away
_NikJ: It's been tested, if you put 6 heroes in the same spot and cast wind, monster flies into base sonic speed
Waffle3z: your opponent probably will not cooperate
daffie: lol sounds like an OP strategy
_NikJ: well obviously not, we just wanted to show how broken it is :D
_NikJ: but yes, if you can get 3 heroes in the center of the map, you can score a goal from there
Waffle3z: from 800 units away, blow the spider 6600 units ahead and then it walks another 400 and stops 300 units from the base and damages it
_NikJ: because you know, 3 players can kick 1 ball 3 times as strong as one
_NikJ: aka 9 women can give birth to a baby in 1 month
Waffle3z: not only that, the heroes could have been 1600 away at the start of the turn
Wontonimo: sounds like a new meta
Mindarius: sounds fun
Waffle3z: so really you could be 8900 units away from the enemy base and still damage it
NewCoder09: Wontonimo where have you been?
Waffle3z: walk 800 towards a spider 1600 away, blow it 6600 forward, then it walks 400 and lands within 300 units of the base
**Wontonimo looks left, looks right, stares blankly forward, shurgs
daffie: OP
Waffle3z: oh, wind range is 1280, so you could do it from 9380 units away
_NikJ: his beard's gotten even more gray or rather white
Waffle3z: 1280+800+6600+400+300
Nerchio: you could also push bugs into your own base surely they wont expect it
Waffle3z: you only need to blow monsters beyond the opponent's reach, not even directly into the goal
LaurensD: oh god what the hell is it doing lol
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625740553
LaurensD: seems like because I'm to far from my base the enemy can crawl in :/
LaurensD: avoiding detection?
Waffle3z: if a monster is pushed inside the radius of a base, does it target the base immediately on the same turn, or will it still move with the same velocity it had at the start of the turn?
Waffle3z: if you blow it to the edge of the base, could it immediately walk out right afterwards in the same turn, or will it then walk another 400 towards the base
Uemu: Hello, I don't get the "Spells are cast in the order of the received output" thing, if my first input is a self shield and enemy's first input is a control spell on my hero, what would happen ?
aCat: its not about this
aCat: the order of applying is as in statement 1 2 3 4 5
aCat: but your mana spent is in order
aCat: which is I suppose not actually trube but meh
aCat: the ordering is pretty well descibed
aCat: (in order of your heroes I meant but not surre of this)
Uemu: Sorry if I didn't get your point by I'm asking about cases where my first hero and the enemy's first hero cast spells at the same time, would his control work first or my shield on the unit he's trying to control ?
daffie: his control
aatj: It doesn't depend on who is blue?
msumera: controls casted in the same turn are summed and applied in the next turn
daffie: control is applied before shield is applied
Uemu: Thank you
Mattant: Is it really going to judge my bot for two hours now?
Iugi: but you still get the shield
Iugi: uemu
jacek: its always slow when they open new league
Nerchio: its always slow
Bbrainstormer: regions are awesome
Mattant: I'm not even in the new league tho
LaurensD: well haha
LaurensD: had a nice little skip in my code, where I always skipped the first monster
LaurensD: so it was always leaving one monster alone that'll likely get into my base :grin::joy:
cegprakash: well first monster is a trial monster anyway
LaurensD: :joy:
cegprakash: only 30 games in gold league for 100% computation -_-
cegprakash: admins care more about silver league now -_-
jacek: silver is cheaper
avdg: hmm the silver bot exposes some of my very hidden bugs
avdg: didn't had many bugs earlier, but the bugs are relative small
avdg: now the issue is that my defends code works well enough, that my attacker gets in front, unknowingly that it should stay away from monsters near enemy base
avdg: so basically, my ai attacks monsters going to opponent base
LaurensD: the boss 4 is pretty annoying
Dapps: easy fix is to use the threatfor field
Waffle3z: 781 computing
struct: nice
struct: The bug has been fixed :D
jacek: hm?
struct: the threatFor bug I reported
struct: where vx and vy did not get updated after control
struct: but threatFor was getting updated
yhyoxx: yay
Waffle3z: gold league rank 1/2587
Waffle3z: there it goes, took a moment to update
struct: grats
cegprakash: even siman stuck at 28th rank coz of less games in gold
Waffle3z: battle progress 33% already?
LaurensD: congrats
cegprakash: only 30 games in total Waffle3z
struct: They said they will add more games once servers can handle
struct: it
cegprakash: to speed up Silver servers lol
Astrobytes: there will be more games in gold when the servers calm down a bit
struct: its only fair
Waffle3z: is default always the same as the boss of the previous league?
jacek: plot twist: never
Astrobytes: :P
struct: yes Waffle3z
cegprakash: default bot is usually weaker than the boss on previous league
struct: I think it depends
struct: So not always I guess
Astrobytes: it is mostly, I believe
Astrobytes: ie. the previous league boss
Astrobytes: which will surely seem weak once you've passed it...
cegprakash: can I move/use spells when I'm under controlled spell?
struct: I would try it
struct: Maybe its buged and you can do it
struct: Since bug fixes was released there must be some new features
Astrobytes: :D
cegprakash: ok it says overrides.. so no matter what I print it's like a WAIT action
Yanek: is the bottom-right base at (17630, 9000) or (17629, 8999)? I'm off by one pixel in my simulations
struct: The inputs say 17630
struct: Im not sure if I can trust it though
Waffle3z: ig that's why it rounds up on one half and down on the other half
axel2103: hey LOL
BenThor414: hola beaner
Waffle3z: which way does it round in the middle?
axel2103: stop it!
BenThor414: I know Axels mom
Astrobytes: kid alert
struct: Stop spamming
Yanek: It's not symmettric really if it's at 17630. Y=0 is part of the map but Y=17630 is considered outside of bounds
axel2103: his name is ben
Counterbalance: player 2 base was outside of the map, now the map width is actually 17631 etc.. in most places.. it's quite inconsistent
axel2103: his moms name is lisa
Nerchio: we could protect ourselves from bugs but not from this
BenThor414: My deepest apologies seniors, I will proceed to stop talking
struct: yes you will
Astrobytes: :tada:
LaurensD: Master senior for you, my little pedawan :nerd:
LaurensD: Jk Jk
LAGA97: Hello, does it happen your code is correct but the test keep returning wrong outputs ?
struct: not really
LaurensD: you are supposed to always send output in order, perhaps you missed one? \
jacek: your code is incorrect then
jacek: additional new line or space at the end
LAGA97: its impossible because i copied paste in other IDE , working like a charm
Yanek: oh, they fixed the symmetry 5 hours ago. I was referencing old code :v
LAGA97: anyways i thought someone working here could give me some explanations
jacek: what do you print and what do they expect
Astrobytes: did you miss a space, newline etc
Astrobytes: or indeed, add one
LAGA97: they always print 0
LAGA97: if u can look at my last clash , i shared the code..
Astrobytes: we can't
cegprakash: I'm at a sexy 69th rank
jacek: https://i.redd.it/ihilyn7469l41.jpg
LaurensD: 1371 rank, nearly 1337
LaurensD: Boss 4 feels impossible lol
LaurensD: pretty sure it's stronger now than it was when it got released :upside_down:
Tuo: nice game https://www.codingame.com/replay/625823635
- D
Tuo: number of the beast x 2
Tuo: and a first Tie i have ever seen
SemChumboPT: how do you print the code on top of your player on the challenge?
cegprakash: cout<<"MOVE "<<x<<" "<<y<<" "<<your code<<endl; SemChumboPT
Astrobytes: in other words, append a space followed by what you want to output to your command, followed by a newline
SemChumboPT: thanks
LaurensD: time to give up
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625840623
Astrobytes: Remember when the bosses (And contests) had names? Good times
DomiKo: Good old times :(
Tuo: LaurensD less shield and more wind and you would do ok
blasterpoard: less defense, more attack
Tuo: that too :)
avdg: I should focus on attack more too
avdg: Made my defence less strict already today on some conditions
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625843918 #1 vs #3 looks like this; tells you how far you get by defending passively
Tuo: defense get boring after a while, still many in gold top 200 full 3 hero defense :unamused:
avdg: This is my bot now https://www.codingame.com/replay/625845511
Nerchio: Tuo only way
ThomasNicoullaud: 100% winrate blasterpoard, you broke the game
Astrobytes: :D
avdg: actually my defense is almost becoming an attack in some areas
blasterpoard: ThomasNicoullaud I submitted a bad bot everyone optimized against yesterday, now I changed it a bit
blasterpoard: and everyone needs new ifs again
Astrobytes: heh heh
ThomasNicoullaud: wait the last minute :D
Abdi-29: yooo is someone doing the codingame in python?
Astrobytes: nobody at all
SemChumboPT: me, trying it for the first time on the spring challenge
avdg: typescript here
blasterpoard: too bad gold has so few games now, this bot could go really far up
Astrobytes: blasterpoard: games will increase when the servers are quieter :D
Abdi-29: i just need a tip to make the hero to not attack the spider already targeted
Astrobytes: apparently CG suddenly became dynamic wrt battle count during contests
SemChumboPT: what that has to do with python?
avdg: my bot doesn't mind having 2 near the same monster, mostly it means faster kill
avdg: though it shouldn't put 2 heroes on 1 monster for now (in some scenario you still want to though)
Tuo: you get mana for both hits right?
SemChumboPT: yes I saw one guy that was placing all 3 heroes on the same spider if he had no other spider near
Astrobytes: yes Tuo
Tuo: so the only problem is that after that spider dies both heroes are idle
Tuo: not that bad
avdg: well, the more your ai idles, the better, in the sense it has time to do other things, the bad part, you need new tasks
ThomasNicoullaud: have a good night blasterpoard :D
ZarthaxX: astrobyto
avdg: hmm my basic attack logic is not effective at all now it seems
avdg: probably an upgrade for tomorrow
avdg: monday evening: code cleanup, this evening defence, tomorrow attack and planning
Astrobytes: yo Zartho
ZarthaxX: mah mann
ZarthaxX: i just finished the final exaem 20 mins ago
Astrobytes: :tada:
ZarthaxX: god it was hell but 1 out of 2 done hehe
Astrobytes: Nice one brother!
Astrobytes: Almost there :)
ZarthaxX: gotta hold a bit more
ZarthaxX: and blaster destroyed the contest meanwhile, ok :rofl
Astrobytes: yeah, you got this, don't lose the focus
Astrobytes: lol, yeah
ZarthaxX: yeeees, will take a little break tho
Astrobytes: of course, clear the head a lil bit
Astrobytes: time with gf & fam, chill time
ZarthaxX: time to cg to clear my mind (?
ZarthaxX: *goes wrong*
Astrobytes: well.... if you feel so inclined :D
ZarthaxX: i got the theory that doing cg to "rest" is not actually resting
ZarthaxX: you end quite stressed
ZarthaxX: even more on contests ofc
Astrobytes: You are correct
ZarthaxX: so sad programming requires thinking
ZarthaxX: hehe
Astrobytes: It's more of a 'recreational pursuit' :D
cegprakash: too much rock paper scissor in gold
ZarthaxX: accurate definition right there
ZarthaxX: astro shooting for that goldie?
ZarthaxX: hi ceg
blasterpoard: cegprakash I don't see any
cegprakash: I tune my bot against two attackers now it doesn't do that good against regular players
cegprakash: like shield players
cegprakash: coz I protect the double push
cegprakash: but shield players come
Astrobytes: meh, still old code I just keep adding stuff too/removing, servers only recently became responsive again. I have a rewrite on t he go but not motivated much
ZarthaxX: uh :(
ZarthaxX: the contest lacks cg past contests right
Astrobytes: Yes
ZarthaxX: the boss names is heartbreaking
ZarthaxX: that part specially
Astrobytes: lol, kind of a minor issue but contributes to the overall feel I'd say
Astrobytes: whole thing smells of lack of effort and willingness. Not their fault I guess with their now limited resources. At least we have a contest.
ZarthaxX: right
ZarthaxX: why limited resources tho?
ZarthaxX: im not up to date
yhyoxx: cg should hire top players
Astrobytes: All but one (at last count) staff were working solely on CG for Work (the business side), the free CG we know is not a priority.
Astrobytes: Makes sense ofc
yhyoxx: or atleast ask them for input
ZarthaxX: oh... ok :(
Astrobytes: since the acquisition by CoderPad etc
Astrobytes: It's cool for them as a company just sad to see the community part going downhill
ZarthaxX: that day always come sadly :(
ZarthaxX: comes*
Astrobytes: yeah, indeed
ZarthaxX: had the same problem with a card game i liked, and now it's ded
avdg: community can always outbreak, as long as there are enough resources not stuck within the company
Astrobytes: building a platform is a massive effort, plus server costs etc
avdg: oh yeah, ofc, other costs
Astrobytes: and that's before even running a contest (hiring extra servers etc)
Astrobytes: It was amazing while it lasted, for that at least I'm thankful :)
ZarthaxX: yup
ZarthaxX: the sad part is no other platform has come to be like cg
Astrobytes: Yeah. There are other competitions but nothing comes close
ZarthaxX: right :(
Astrobytes: Not the end of the world dude, life goes on :)
ZarthaxX: what matters is the friends we made in the journey
ZarthaxX: or smth like that
Astrobytes: :rofl:
ZarthaxX: *when i see you again*
ZarthaxX: aight stahp
ZarthaxX: hehe
Astrobytes: hahaha
ZarthaxX: continue coding astro!
Astrobytes: going to bed in 10 mins
ZarthaxX: good night then hehe
Astrobytes: not enough hours in a day to make more than 1 full submit
ZarthaxX: gotta close this chat to achieve that
Astrobytes: server time I mean
ZarthaxX: i thought you meant that too
ZarthaxX: but both apply
ZarthaxX: hehe
Astrobytes: i only chat here when I'm doing unimportant things
ZarthaxX: you are better than me then
Astrobytes: lol, mostly :D
anyways, I'll see you later dude, take care
ZarthaxX: take care mah man!
Hamp: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625870567 I beat him :O (one time)
struct: nice
struct: hi ZarthaxX
blasterpoard: Hamp my bot assumes the bots I'm playing agains won't have 2 heroes in their corner without being forced to...
blasterpoard: just fog of war things
ZarthaxX: hi structo!
ZarthaxX: howdy
Wontonimo: i'm sad. my basic bot that hasn't had any improvements since Friday and is basically "hit closest thing" didn't make it to gold.
Wontonimo: :grin:
avdg: my bot wins sometimes against the ai, which I guess isn't enough to proceed
Wontonimo: no. you need to beat everyone below also
yord47: anyone can confirm if shield works on your hero ?
Wontonimo: confirmed
yord47: okay ty
i dont see the shield when applied
which seems strange
Waffle3z: worried about having heroes go to the edge of the range of a monster and being 1 unit out of range due to rounding
struct: just make there hero range be 799
yhyoxx: 799 as the range to be able to attack a monster ?
yhyoxx: yes, just checked the rules
Waffle3z: or binary search for a target coordinate that works instead of doing it nicely in a single calculation
yhyoxx: or perfect coodinates using maths
struct: the range is 800 yhyoxx
yhyoxx: yes, 800 - 1 to avoid rounding errors
Waffle3z: calculate and then check if it's 1 off and then adjust by 1 unit in each direction
Waffle3z: I can calculate the trajectory for the hero to precisely intercept the monster at its center, but really I only need to get 800 away from it, which means not going as far, which means the monster doesn't go as far, which means the time to intercept is shorter, which means the calculation is different
SashaNukem: If I control a monster and set it in the direction of enemy base will it also change threatFor to 2?
BJD: yes
BrunoFelthes: the control command will block the action this turn, and move the next turn? or do not block the action this turn?
SashaNukem: Thank you
SashaNukem: I have not used the control spell but I think there is no reson for it to block since wind does not block either
BrunoFelthes: what means when I receive that my hero "isControlled"?
JRFerguson: hi bruno, only blocks next turn
JRFerguson: if is controlled his action on this turn won't get executed
BrunoFelthes: and the action that i did at the turn that i receive the controll, was executed?
JRFerguson: yes
MarcelHJ: What's changed in gold league?
Waffle3z: the boss
icecream17: I'm in wood 1, what's new in the future leagues?
struct: spells
Waffle3z: did wood 1 introduce fog of war I skipped it
EvModder: [ GET A JOB ]
EvModder: the button is mocking me
mybk: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
mybk: I need a job :'(
EvModder: apply to 600613
mybk: what's that ?
EvModder: google in 1337 (leet) speak
Tuo: what happens if you answer the CG "want a job" question?
Tuo: do they actually ever offer a job?
EvModder: not sure, but my guess it it sends your info to a recruiter for one of CG's sponsor companies
EvModder: if it works anything like other job-finding websites, CG probably gets a $ bonus for anyone they recommend who ends up getting hired
EvModder: (like a referral bonus)
Westicles: they said on discord they are discontinuing that
EvModder: ah ok
EvModder: so the button will stop taunting me :)
Tuo: sad times no jobs to be had :( good thing tho no-one will ever read my crappy AI code :D
kresteodymium: hi
EvModder: ai code was never meant to be pretty lol
EvModder: there's something beautiful about ugly code (self-contradictory, but i dont mind)
EvModder: alright, code talk time:
does SHIELD protect from WIND spell?
WannaBeHum1n: yes
kresteodymium: yes
kresteodymium: pfc
kresteodymium: *ofc
EvModder: ok, i wasn't sure because wind doesnt have a target entity id
EvModder: per documentation: "The target entity cannot be targeted by spells for the next 12 rounds. "
EvModder: i'll test it just to be sure but i think you guys are right
EvModder: can confirm, shield blocks wind, which makes sense :D
Tuo: wind targets everyone(exept your own heroes) in 1280 radius
Firlain: 4 am in the morning and finally silver, i can die in peace :')
yord47: :D
SashaNukem: :D
DaNinja: JRFerguson did you get symetric trunc working?
JRFerguson: hey DaNinja, i still have some issue
JRFerguson: sometimes my rounding/truncation doesn't work and i get 1 pixel of difference
JRFerguson: but it does the job for now
DaNinja: yep, same
JRFerguson: anyways i'm not sure what to do with my sim engine yet so i'm tweeking my heuristics bot
andyyyyy: Are you guys pros?
andyyyyy: I kind of get stuck on thinking what to do
JRFerguson: we all do andy ;)
JRFerguson: check the starter kits
JRFerguson: start simple, test ideas and you add complexity as you gain understanding from watching games
andyyyyy: The thing is that i'm not creative, I think i have a decent grasp of programming (500+ solved on leetcode for example) but when it comes down to many things i get very stumped
andyyyyy: and easily confused...
JRFerguson: divide and conquer
JRFerguson: don't try to program a complex bot, start with some basics
andyyyyy: Fair enough I guess I just need to think of building blocks for it to start
CodeVixy: why does health, mana = input() and entity_count = input() work one after another if there is a line in between input for enemy health and mana..
