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ASM_MOV_INT: clash time

jacek: :unamused:

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: Wow that code looks complex

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: Welp. Logged on long enough for my daily reminder of "You dont know jack squat." Im out see you guys tomorrow.

jacek: oO

5DN1L: at least he didn't say jacek squat...?

5DN1L: hmmm i don't even know what that means

5DN1L: sounds like badword

Westicles: jeez, some of these multis are like reading war and peace

jacek: fog of war and fog of peace?

5DN1L: Automaton2000 have you read any war and peace in this chat?

Automaton2000: you could just use the same code

Westicles: fireworks reads like the legalese on the back of a boat mortgage

5DN1L: jacek is one of the approvers

jacek: :upside_down:

Westicles: pah, I'm ahead of him and I just submitted default code

jacek: oh my

thepianist59: hello everyone. The challenge will begin in just some days. Are you all ready ? :)

eulerscheZahl: yes, i took off 6 days for the contest

VizGhar: euler will finally win contest guys :D

eulerscheZahl: no, i'm still a noob :(

VizGhar: We will have company hackathon during the contest

eulerscheZahl: bad timing

VizGhar: euler, you'll get better :)

VizGhar: Yeah... I'd rather dump the hackathon then CG contest

eulerscheZahl: you want to dump both sequentially?

eulerscheZahl: "then" vs "than", couldn't resist. sorry

jacek: do you get paid better for winning company hackaton?

Westicles: both CotR puzzles have more than half in wood1, maybe I should do those instead

jacek: what about :notebook: :soccer:

jacek: huh Automaton2000?

Automaton2000: the boss is a real person

Westicles: I'm just trying to promote all the woods, paper soccer doesn't have any promotes

Westicles: so far Penguins is my favorite

eulerscheZahl: hey Westicles, you brought in DLX for number shifting. I have a question about it: can i modify it in such a way, that it doesn't cover all items but as many as possible?

Westicles: I never tried DLX, I think everyone was getting stuck at some lowish level with it

Westicles: never tried to implement it anywhere else either...

eulerscheZahl: yes, 200-ish for the better players

eulerscheZahl: ok, thanks

Gameonn: Hello friends, I'm trying to improve in algorithms. I take part in code clash

Any suggestions what other things I can try?

eulerscheZahl: anything listed here: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming

jacek: better try puzzles first

jacek: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy

jacek: of course https://www.codingame.com/training/very-very-very-very-easy/space-maze

Gameonn: Thanks Jacek

jacek: beginner puzzles: the descent, power of thor, temperatur, horse-dual racing

VizGhar: eulerscheZahl :| this is my classic mistake (then than)

thepianist59: Just a question : I would like to change completely the algorithm I used for the pacman challenge (spring 2021) to be able to go gold league. I heard about MCTS and how it could be applied to games with hidden information but I have difficulties to understand mcts. DO you have good ressources to understand it ? Thanks :)

VizGhar: uff... I wouldn't use MCTS for that particular contest... best resource to understand how to implement it is probably this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXW2yZndl7U

VizGhar: In order to understand how it works, just open any article on medium about it

Uljahn: this vid is great

thepianist59: thanks for your help :). Just for my curiosity. you said that you wouldn't use this type of algorithm for this contest. WHat do you have in mind for this ?

eulerscheZahl: wasn't pacman in spring 2020?

thepianist59: Maybe i'm wrong in the year, I admit ^^

thepianist59: 2020, yes, I was wrong XD

VizGhar: MCTS is good for games where you can really simulate whole game till the end, am I right guys? Chess, Checkers, UTTT, 9man-moris, GO etc. (you can consider "end" to be any state you can somehow precisely evaluate)

VizGhar: But I have pretty narrow knowledge on this topic :)

thepianist59: I admit that I am stille learning a lot about this , so I have to search and try to practice

thepianist59: MY objective is to go gold league on my next challenge (in like 5,6 days)

VizGhar: What you have used so far?

thepianist59: min-max and some genetic algorithms. For the pacman, I just used a hungarian algorithm with a path calculation (I wasn't really sure how to tackle this one )

VizGhar: I just printed semi random moves so far (didn't go too deep). But I'd probably go for beam search + some heuristic since it is multi agent (so my agents won't compete against themself)

VizGhar: Or simply check post mortems :P

VizGhar: wow... the discussion page is pretty empty there o.O

Uljahn: guess you need the contest thread: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy

VizGhar: :thumbsup:

VizGhar: Yeah so it looks like BFS is winner here :P I forgot about fog of war, beam might be unnecessary

VizGhar: MCTS is unusable here i suppose

eulerscheZahl: i'm an advocate of beam search for pacman

eulerscheZahl: but i think i wrote that on the forum already

jacek: if you want to learn mcts, learn first on some 'classical' games, turn-based no hidden information

Audran227: @ThomasNicoullaud je m'excuse du message que magicienkennys a envoyé sur mon compte, nous sommes en classe et il s'amuse à écrire sur mon pc. Il m'a deja fait ban il y a de ca quelques mois. J'imagine que cela est compliqué mais pourriez vous annuler ce bannissement

VilBoub_junior: ratio

Default avatar.png magicienkennys: hello guys i am very sorry for my bad language in the FR chat, I promise to not restart this bad behavior. Soryy @ThomasNicoullaud

MarinDeNsi: :heavy_plus_sign::digit_one:

jacek: french people ~

Default avatar.png Pessidu13: racism?

VilBoub_junior: racism?

VilBoub_junior: we won pixel wars

VilBoub_junior: e*

VizGhar: pexel?

Westicles: france is not a race

VizGhar: :grin:

Default avatar.png Pessidu13: discrimination?

MarinDeNsi: vilboub_junior you mean r/place reddit ?

VilBoub_junior: yes

Default avatar.png Pessidu13: i dont like the hate y'all have against french ppl

Frankich: I don't like how you are representing the french as well...

Frankich: french people*

MarinDeNsi: peace and love Frankich ...

Nik05: francophile

VilBoub_junior: long live France, the others are jealous

Nik05: Why are you talking about France/French?

jacek: :french_bread: :wine:

Westicles: We learned about the french in school, they invented cheese and soccer, which they call handball

MarinDeNsi: Dont forget the wonderfull bread that we call "baguette" :') ^^ uwu

Nik05: handball is not football...

Frankich: Because the students are bored I guess, and a chat distract them

MarinDeNsi: haha you got me uwu ~~ ^^' xd

VilBoub_junior: France proved its superiority during the r/place

Frankich: Come on ban them already

Nik05: Who?

Frankich: those kids..

Valnor280: yeah as a french person even i can tell that their not the greatest representation of our culture sorry :expressionless:

Magus: Try to keep the discussion about programming.

Default avatar.png LinhT.Nguyen: looking for jobbu :grimacing:

jacek: Automaton2000 what is coding

Automaton2000: what are you talking about the same time

Ajaiy: That almost sounds sarcastic

Ajaiy: Automaton2000 was that intended?

Automaton2000: i mean it has to

Ajaiy: oh ok then

Ajaiy: btw the 2 in the power of thor 2 looks inverted

jacek: hm?

Default avatar.png n0thing: :sob:

derjack: :upside_down:

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: Are you sure it is not a 5?

derjack: its 10

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: is that supposed to be a binary joke?

Passifi: all jokes a binary you laugh or you don't

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: why did I laugh to that

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: or should I say

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: 1?

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: Wow. That passed right over my head...

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: fr?

Default avatar.png ThomasDrt13: oui

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: In bianary is 0s and 1s. If you invert the number two you get a weird 5 looking symbol... 5 + 5 equals 10. 1 and 0 are in binary? Is that the joke?

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I mean IF it is a joke that would be the joke because 10 is equal to 2 so he would be saying to me "it's 2"

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I just do not understand why he said 10

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: But theres no 2s in binary code. I would think a simple knock knock joke would be sufficient.

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: But I am not that smart. This thing is called a computer right?

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: no there aren't any 2's in binary, but 10 in binary is equivalent to 2 in decimal

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: xd wdym this thing is called a computer

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: xd

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: a decimal looks like a period. I had to use periods in the only java statement im good at.... System.out.println(); It outputs things to the console. Console, maybe you could CONSOLE that guy for making such a crappy joke. Wow CSCI really makes me think hard....

derjack: so random

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I love bad jokes they are so good

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: dude derjack wdym "It's 10" what's 10?

Default avatar.png SubZeRoy9: Idk...

derjack: becuase its not 5

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: ok but it wasn't a binary joke was it?

derjack: no

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: ok thanks for taking the time to clarify

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: boy I've been working for days in the shadows of the Knight problem and I can never pass more than 3 levels

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I've been learning so much tho

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: this current code looks ages better than the first code

jacek: episode 1?

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: yeah

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I managed to make this like amazing algorith that jumps half the distance between you and the edge of the cuilding

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: *building

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: in the direction of the heat signal

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: and then half of that in the next direction of the heat signal

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: and on test 4 I am missing exactly 1 turn to be able to win

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: amazing algorithm L

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: ok I gtg now

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: at least the algorithm did what I had in mind

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: I have new ideas to solve it but as for now I have to leave

Default avatar.png RandomSteve: goodbye everybody

jacek: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830572933197201459/944925228021198888/what.png

Sarstan: Any good place to learn multi-agent? Can't seem to find any place with actual code.

jacek: like game of drones or platinum rift 2?

Sarstan: Yeah.

jacek: try their discussion forum

Sarstan: I see in the drones one there's some pseudo code, but I'm not sure how to do the part about giving each of the drones commands.

Sarstan: Honestly this has been driving me nuts for a while. No idea where to go to learn multi agent.

Uljahn: learn single agents first

Sarstan: You lost me there.

jacek: oO

**CosmicStudios slaps around a bit with a large fishbot

jacek: :taco: Automaton2000

Automaton2000: if the game has a lot to learn

Nik05: hi

eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: here's johnny

eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: it's been like a few months since i have been back

jacek: :neutral_face:

eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: waz sup jacek

jacek: Automaton2000 is up

Automaton2000: so you have to submit your code

eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: submit code? well i have forgot how to code, it's a awhile

eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: *been

Wontonimo: hey Sarstan, you still online and looking for some multi agent help?

jacek: :taco: derjack

Nik05: Im looking at my solution I made more than 4 years ago for Blunder Episode 3. And I think my solution isn't really correct. But still gets 100 % :P

eulerscheZahl: back then it was still called Bender

Nik05: Yes, i thought so. Aren't allowed to use the name anymore?

eulerscheZahl: at least they fear it could cause trouble

eulerscheZahl: they were not even consistent https://imgur.com/a/tSn1I8e

eulerscheZahl: achievements aren't renamed but meh

jacek: maybe achievements are read only

jacek: as they didnt delete that community contest one

Nik05: Bender ep4 still exists

jacek: its community

eulerscheZahl: because it's a community cont...

Nik05: Even has Zoidburg in it

Nik05: Ah ok

eulerscheZahl: jacek is faster at typing

Nik05: Oh it's yours eulerscheZahl :P

jacek: so theyre gonna sue the author

eulerscheZahl: :see_no_evil:

Yvant2000sGames: Hey, maybe I'm dumb, but I was trying this challenge (https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/escaping-the-cat) and I can never pass the tests even if I clearly gave a solution to the puzzle. Am I missing something here ?

jacek: what do you mean. do you have any erro?

jacek: r

Yvant2000sGames: The game is saying "If your mouse reaches the border of the pool [...] you win the game.", but when I reach the end of the pool, the game still displays "LOSER!" after 350 turns

jacek: what does the forum say? I havent done the puzzle

eulerscheZahl: do you have a replay of such a loss?

eulerscheZahl: share it with us, maybe the cat was faster is is waiting there for you

eulerscheZahl: or you are close to the border, but at the wrong side of it

jacek: or it is Caturday

eulerscheZahl: it's friday. but a public holiday here

jacek: holiday? huh?

eulerscheZahl: decided to take a bicycle trip to the next city and have a pizza for lunch

eulerscheZahl: restaurant was open according to their website. saw a note at the door: on holidays for the week

eulerscheZahl: so i had to drive the 18km back. stopped at 2 other restaurants on the way, both closed

eulerscheZahl: then tried another one in the opposite direction from my home. place is getting demolished already, owner had to move his restaurant somewhere else

Yvant2000sGames: Wait there is a side to get out of the pool ? I just tried and when I get out to the left, I loose, but when I get out to the right, it works

eulerscheZahl: then tried 2 more that were closed until i finally found one

eulerscheZahl: you have to avoid the cat

Yvant2000sGames: Yeah I know that

eulerscheZahl: can you just share a replay of your loss?

eulerscheZahl: it's the 3 dots at the bottom right of the viewer, click it

Yvant2000sGames: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/619762160

eulerscheZahl: lol, that's a bug

eulerscheZahl: in the puzzle itself

Yvant2000sGames: bruh

jacek: who approved it

jacek: write it on forum

Yvant2000sGames: I guess I'll report that

Yvant2000sGames: yeah

eulerscheZahl: yes, reporting is a good idea

eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-escaping-the-cat/186117

eulerscheZahl: i think this condition should be true but somehow isn't https://github.com/igolus/escapingTheCat/blob/master/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L268

eulerscheZahl: but i don't feel like digging any further

HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: https://www.codingame.com/profile/54583f3963f08a7e4a231ed45eec805e1255602

eulerscheZahl: definitely not how i would have implemented it

Yvant2000sGames: That's a weird bug, and I'm wondering how nobody found it earlier

eulerscheZahl: you are going at a straight line, y=0 the rest of us are doing circles before

eulerscheZahl: maybe you should add an @igolus to your bug report so he will see it. but maybe he's already following the thread and gets an email anyways

Yvant2000sGames: Yeah, I was about to code the circle strategy but I wanted to test how the game works before coding anything

eulerscheZahl: set y=1 in your output and try again

Yvant2000sGames: lmao it works

eulerscheZahl: you probably triggered a division by zero or whatever

jacek: math is so prohibitive

Yvant2000sGames: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1169ac0a-e92b-47d1-a280-600f904245fa

HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: negative number

jacek: sqrt of negative number? :scream:

Yvant2000sGames: wait no i read the code wrong, B isn't 0, but then I don't get how the bug is happening

eulerscheZahl: we could download and debug it

eulerscheZahl: or we play the topcoder marathon that's like "there is no spoon" as an optim

eulerscheZahl: https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/ef5d19d2-de9b-4e37-b428-e7e103458425?tab=details

HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5357428c-33dc-484c-8920-693b05011cdf

eulerscheZahl: they actually do pay the money if you win

therealbeef: how much did you win last MM?

eulerscheZahl: and you can collect points for TCO. finals will be in the USA. they play the whole trip+hotel+food

eulerscheZahl: i won $1 last time. and probably got into the finals, still waiting for the official update of the 3 months rating

HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: are they streaming the finals?

eulerscheZahl: i think so. but will be in November

eulerscheZahl: $10000 for the winner. but really strong competitors, i'd be happy not to be in the bottom group

Westicles: 5 bridges, that's a big change

eulerscheZahl: game changer. and no guarantees that you can even connect all nodes

eulerscheZahl: and Rafbill is hiding i think. was first with 98.5 score vs 60-ish for the next. then improved to 99.5 score. not at 0

eulerscheZahl: there's surely a lot of points that i'm still missing

HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: is topcoder very popular with hiring managers?

eulerscheZahl: they have some paid gigs and contests with significantly higher prizes. but sure about permanent positions

eulerscheZahl: e.g. https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/bb34cc95-c06c-4ef7-8655-db0095e45ca3 has higher prizes to win

eulerscheZahl: job listings: https://www.topcoder.com/gigs

Default avatar.png Rafbill: eulerscheZahl: :wave:

jacek: Oo

eulerscheZahl: oh, hi Rafbill

eulerscheZahl: how far did your last submit drop our scores?

eulerscheZahl: you should actually be in TCO finals already, the overall leaderboard is so flawed. beaten by 1 point, while the other user played twice as many contests :(

Default avatar.png Rafbill: Oh, last time I checked, I was in the finals iirc.

eulerscheZahl: they were slow at updating https://tco22.topcoder.com/competition/marathon?tracks[marathon-tabs]=3&tracks[mm-tco22]=1

eulerscheZahl: bad link, copy it

Default avatar.png Rafbill: Yes, I have just checked. I'm not sure whether I would want to go anyway.

eulerscheZahl: tbh i would prefer online finals too

jacek: :older_man:

eulerscheZahl: you don't know my cat. even now that i'm 2m away and coding, she yells for attention. a week without me will be horrible for her :(

eulerscheZahl: afk, cat..

jacek: where are you going for a week? and why you dont bring your Cat

eulerscheZahl: in case of going to TCO finals

eulerscheZahl: and i'm in fear of getting lost at the airport. once i was on a business trip with a colleague. he had to promise our secretary to look after me. "he's unable to survive alone"

jacek: take your cat to guide you

eulerscheZahl: she's 17 years of age and easily scared

jacek: thats what she said :tada:

Scarfield: https://youtu.be/PmxhCyhevMY?t=282

Scarfield: euler

jacek: rick roll eh

Scarfield: https://snipboard.io/HUvJFe.jpg

Scarfield: nope

jacek: rollfield

Nik05: Quiet day

a-Rye: Without Antiwonto...you can hear the echo of the taco as it falls

Nik05: :p

Nik05: a-Rye :taco:

a-Rye: :taco: Nik05

a-Rye: I don't think Antiwonto is around though, so we cannot pass tacos

jacek: nyoro~n

Nik05: It's about the idea a-Rye...

a-Rye: :grin:

ASM_MOV_INT: well, if you eat tacos, you'll be passing alright....! :joy:

Chrimle: How long does it take to get the confirmation and results from a certification test?

ycsvenom: Automaton2000 works with markov chain !!!

Automaton2000: there are many ways to do it, but i am doing it

ycsvenom: wooow

ycsvenom: and he is really good

Nik05: hi

ycsvenom: hello

Default avatar.png sergeantoof: Sup

ycsvenom: hola

a-Rye: As I near 3,000 views, I'm finally adding a decent amount of examples for each concept in my Python playground

a-Rye: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/64843/beginner-python-concepts/intro

a-Rye: and hola por ti tambien and all

ycsvenom: i saw it good stuff for beginners

a-Rye: Thanks! I'm still working on the next level stuff. Just downloaded a free pdf of O'Rielly's Graph Databases. I struggled in college with bst and graph logic

ycsvenom: it is tough for everyone

a-Rye: Yeah, but the tougher it is, the better the "ah-ha" moment that follows

omylist: hi , may i know why have #407 ?

Nik05: sorry, what?

omylist: error

Nik05: Where?

omylist: coding page

omylist: not allow me play my code

Nik05: Have you refreshed?

omylist: yes

Nik05: I don't have a problem

Nik05: Is it a specific puzzle?

omylist: idk

omylist: im new

Nik05: What puzzle are you doing?

omylist: tic tac toe

a-Rye: I know sometimes with bot programming you need to let it catch up a bit. Is this tic tac toe bot or tic tac toe puzzle?

omylist: what diff ?

Nik05: Do you have the link?

omylist: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tic-tac-toe

a-Rye: bot programming involves running it against a lot of other bots

Ayza: works fine with me

Nik05: That's the puzzle

a-Rye: Oh, the puzzle. Still might need some time to catch up. Try clicking other test cases to "trick it" into working again / refreshing the right part

omylist: ok, thanks.

a-Rye: Wait, no, this says puzzle in the link but it's bot programming. Isn't it? It has the leagues...

a-Rye: This is the puzzle tic tac toe:

a-Rye: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tictactoe

a-Rye: weird. if you have the dashes '-' then it's bot. Otherwise, it's puzzle

ASM_MOV_INT: I can read the cryptic code in most languages that I've learned, but I would never code that way

ASM_MOV_INT: even to clash for shortest

a-Rye: Recher showed me how to use Chinese characters as a trick in shortest clashes. I wouldn't code like this for a job...but for the clashing...oh you betcha

ASM_MOV_INT: rofl, nice

ASM_MOV_INT: crazy, but nice

a-Rye: I'm not good enough to be doing the Chinese char trick though. But being better about inline statements / single line statements and such

Default avatar.png Wizard-Dude: Hello, how would I be able to drag around my windows, like the coding interface into my other monitor, while I can view the game? Thanks

Default avatar.png AyyyCn: hello, how can I replay a a game I had in clash?

a-Rye: Depends on your visual settings Wizard-Dude. You can adjust the orientation of your monitors if you right click the desktop and select Display Settings

Default avatar.png weebiss: Hi

SubZeRoy9: Is a big if statement the proper way to solve mars lander?