ASM_MOV_INT: clash time
jacek: :unamused:
SubZeRoy9: Wow that code looks complex
SubZeRoy9: Welp. Logged on long enough for my daily reminder of "You dont know jack squat." Im out see you guys tomorrow.
jacek: oO
5DN1L: at least he didn't say jacek squat...?
5DN1L: hmmm i don't even know what that means
5DN1L: sounds like badword
Westicles: jeez, some of these multis are like reading war and peace
jacek: fog of war and fog of peace?
5DN1L: Automaton2000 have you read any war and peace in this chat?
Automaton2000: you could just use the same code
Westicles: fireworks reads like the legalese on the back of a boat mortgage
5DN1L: jacek is one of the approvers
jacek: :upside_down:
Westicles: pah, I'm ahead of him and I just submitted default code
jacek: oh my
thepianist59: hello everyone. The challenge will begin in just some days. Are you all ready ? :)
eulerscheZahl: yes, i took off 6 days for the contest
VizGhar: euler will finally win contest guys :D
eulerscheZahl: no, i'm still a noob :(
VizGhar: We will have company hackathon during the contest
eulerscheZahl: bad timing
VizGhar: euler, you'll get better :)
VizGhar: Yeah... I'd rather dump the hackathon then CG contest
eulerscheZahl: you want to dump both sequentially?
eulerscheZahl: "then" vs "than", couldn't resist. sorry
jacek: do you get paid better for winning company hackaton?
Westicles: both CotR puzzles have more than half in wood1, maybe I should do those instead
jacek: what about :notebook: :soccer:
jacek: huh Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: the boss is a real person
Westicles: I'm just trying to promote all the woods, paper soccer doesn't have any promotes
Westicles: so far Penguins is my favorite
eulerscheZahl: hey Westicles, you brought in DLX for number shifting. I have a question about it:
can i modify it in such a way, that it doesn't cover all items but as many as possible?
Westicles: I never tried DLX, I think everyone was getting stuck at some lowish level with it
Westicles: never tried to implement it anywhere else either...
eulerscheZahl: yes, 200-ish for the better players
eulerscheZahl: ok, thanks
Gameonn: Hello friends, I'm trying to improve in algorithms. I take part in code clash
Any suggestions what other things I can try?
eulerscheZahl: anything listed here: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
jacek: better try puzzles first
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy
jacek: of course https://www.codingame.com/training/very-very-very-very-easy/space-maze
Gameonn: Thanks Jacek
jacek: beginner puzzles: the descent, power of thor, temperatur, horse-dual racing
VizGhar: eulerscheZahl :| this is my classic mistake (then than)
thepianist59: Just a question : I would like to change completely the algorithm I used for the pacman challenge (spring 2021) to be able to go gold league. I heard about MCTS and how it could be applied to games with hidden information but I have difficulties to understand mcts. DO you have good ressources to understand it ? Thanks :)
VizGhar: uff... I wouldn't use MCTS for that particular contest... best resource to understand how to implement it is probably this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXW2yZndl7U
VizGhar: In order to understand how it works, just open any article on medium about it
Uljahn: this vid is great
thepianist59: thanks for your help :). Just for my curiosity. you said that you wouldn't use this type of algorithm for this contest. WHat do you have in mind for this ?
eulerscheZahl: wasn't pacman in spring 2020?
thepianist59: Maybe i'm wrong in the year, I admit ^^
thepianist59: 2020, yes, I was wrong XD
VizGhar: MCTS is good for games where you can really simulate whole game till the end, am I right guys? Chess, Checkers, UTTT, 9man-moris, GO etc. (you can consider "end" to be any state you can somehow precisely evaluate)
VizGhar: But I have pretty narrow knowledge on this topic :)
thepianist59: I admit that I am stille learning a lot about this , so I have to search and try to practice
thepianist59: MY objective is to go gold league on my next challenge (in like 5,6 days)
VizGhar: What you have used so far?
thepianist59: min-max and some genetic algorithms. For the pacman, I just used a hungarian algorithm with a path calculation (I wasn't really sure how to tackle this one )
VizGhar: I just printed semi random moves so far (didn't go too deep). But I'd probably go for beam search + some heuristic since it is multi agent (so my agents won't compete against themself)
VizGhar: Or simply check post mortems :P
VizGhar: wow... the discussion page is pretty empty there o.O
Uljahn: guess you need the contest thread:
https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy
VizGhar: :thumbsup:
VizGhar: Yeah so it looks like BFS is winner here :P I forgot about fog of war, beam might be unnecessary
VizGhar: MCTS is unusable here i suppose
eulerscheZahl: i'm an advocate of beam search for pacman
eulerscheZahl: but i think i wrote that on the forum already
jacek: if you want to learn mcts, learn first on some 'classical' games, turn-based no hidden information
Audran227: @ThomasNicoullaud je m'excuse du message que magicienkennys a envoyé sur mon compte, nous sommes en classe et il s'amuse à écrire sur mon pc. Il m'a deja fait ban il y a de ca quelques mois. J'imagine que cela est compliqué mais pourriez vous annuler ce bannissement
VilBoub_junior: ratio
magicienkennys: hello guys i am very sorry for my bad language in the FR chat, I promise to not restart this bad behavior. Soryy @ThomasNicoullaud
MarinDeNsi: :heavy_plus_sign::digit_one:
jacek: french people ~
Pessidu13: racism?
VilBoub_junior: racism?
VilBoub_junior: we won pixel wars
VilBoub_junior: e*
VizGhar: pexel?
Westicles: france is not a race
VizGhar: :grin:
Pessidu13: discrimination?
MarinDeNsi: vilboub_junior you mean r/place reddit ?
VilBoub_junior: yes
Pessidu13: i dont like the hate y'all have against french ppl
Frankich: I don't like how you are representing the french as well...
Frankich: french people*
MarinDeNsi: peace and love Frankich ...
Nik05: francophile
VilBoub_junior: long live France, the others are jealous
Nik05: Why are you talking about France/French?
jacek: :french_bread: :wine:
Westicles: We learned about the french in school, they invented cheese and soccer, which they call handball
MarinDeNsi: Dont forget the wonderfull bread that we call "baguette" :') ^^ uwu
Nik05: handball is not football...
Frankich: Because the students are bored I guess, and a chat distract them
MarinDeNsi: haha you got me uwu ~~ ^^' xd
VilBoub_junior: France proved its superiority during the r/place
Frankich: Come on ban them already
Nik05: Who?
Frankich: those kids..
Valnor280: yeah as a french person even i can tell that their not the greatest representation of our culture sorry :expressionless:
Magus: Try to keep the discussion about programming.
LinhT.Nguyen: looking for jobbu :grimacing:
jacek: Automaton2000 what is coding
Automaton2000: what are you talking about the same time
Ajaiy: That almost sounds sarcastic
Ajaiy: Automaton2000 was that intended?
Automaton2000: i mean it has to
Ajaiy: oh ok then
Ajaiy: btw the 2 in the power of thor 2 looks inverted
jacek: hm?
n0thing: :sob:
derjack: :upside_down:
RandomSteve: Are you sure it is not a 5?
derjack: its 10
RandomSteve: is that supposed to be a binary joke?
Passifi: all jokes a binary you laugh or you don't
RandomSteve: why did I laugh to that
RandomSteve: or should I say
RandomSteve: 1?
SubZeRoy9: Wow. That passed right over my head...
RandomSteve: fr?
ThomasDrt13: oui
SubZeRoy9: In bianary is 0s and 1s. If you invert the number two you get a weird 5 looking symbol... 5 + 5 equals 10. 1 and 0 are in binary? Is that the joke?
RandomSteve: I mean IF it is a joke that would be the joke because 10 is equal to 2 so he would be saying to me "it's 2"
RandomSteve: I just do not understand why he said 10
SubZeRoy9: But theres no 2s in binary code. I would think a simple knock knock joke would be sufficient.
SubZeRoy9: But I am not that smart. This thing is called a computer right?
RandomSteve: no there aren't any 2's in binary, but 10 in binary is equivalent to 2 in decimal
RandomSteve: xd wdym this thing is called a computer
RandomSteve: xd
SubZeRoy9: a decimal looks like a period. I had to use periods in the only java statement im good at.... System.out.println(); It outputs things to the console. Console, maybe you could CONSOLE that guy for making such a crappy joke. Wow CSCI really makes me think hard....
derjack: so random
RandomSteve: I love bad jokes they are so good
RandomSteve: dude derjack wdym "It's 10" what's 10?
SubZeRoy9: Idk...
derjack: becuase its not 5
RandomSteve: ok but it wasn't a binary joke was it?
derjack: no
RandomSteve: ok thanks for taking the time to clarify
RandomSteve: boy I've been working for days in the shadows of the Knight problem and I can never pass more than 3 levels
RandomSteve: I've been learning so much tho
RandomSteve: this current code looks ages better than the first code
jacek: episode 1?
RandomSteve: yeah
RandomSteve: I managed to make this like amazing algorith that jumps half the distance between you and the edge of the cuilding
RandomSteve: *building
RandomSteve: in the direction of the heat signal
RandomSteve: and then half of that in the next direction of the heat signal
RandomSteve: and on test 4 I am missing exactly 1 turn to be able to win
RandomSteve: amazing algorithm L
RandomSteve: ok I gtg now
RandomSteve: at least the algorithm did what I had in mind
RandomSteve: I have new ideas to solve it but as for now I have to leave
RandomSteve: goodbye everybody
jacek: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830572933197201459/944925228021198888/what.png
Sarstan: Any good place to learn multi-agent? Can't seem to find any place with actual code.
jacek: like game of drones or platinum rift 2?
Sarstan: Yeah.
jacek: try their discussion forum
Sarstan: I see in the drones one there's some pseudo code, but I'm not sure how to do the part about giving each of the drones commands.
Sarstan: Honestly this has been driving me nuts for a while. No idea where to go to learn multi agent.
Uljahn: learn single agents first
Sarstan: You lost me there.
jacek: oO
**CosmicStudios slaps around a bit with a large fishbot
jacek: :taco: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: if the game has a lot to learn
Nik05: hi
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: here's johnny
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: it's been like a few months since i have been back
jacek: :neutral_face:
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: waz sup jacek
jacek: Automaton2000 is up
Automaton2000: so you have to submit your code
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: submit code? well i have forgot how to code, it's a awhile
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: *been
Wontonimo: hey Sarstan, you still online and looking for some multi agent help?
jacek: :taco: derjack
Nik05: Im looking at my solution I made more than 4 years ago for Blunder Episode 3. And I think my solution isn't really correct. But still gets 100 % :P
eulerscheZahl: back then it was still called Bender
Nik05: Yes, i thought so. Aren't allowed to use the name anymore?
eulerscheZahl: at least they fear it could cause trouble
eulerscheZahl: they were not even consistent
https://imgur.com/a/tSn1I8e
eulerscheZahl: achievements aren't renamed but meh
jacek: maybe achievements are read only
jacek: as they didnt delete that community contest one
Nik05: Bender ep4 still exists
jacek: its community
eulerscheZahl: because it's a community cont...
Nik05: Even has Zoidburg in it
Nik05: Ah ok
eulerscheZahl: jacek is faster at typing
Nik05: Oh it's yours eulerscheZahl :P
jacek: so theyre gonna sue the author
eulerscheZahl: :see_no_evil:
Yvant2000sGames: Hey, maybe I'm dumb, but I was trying this challenge (https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/escaping-the-cat) and I can never pass the tests even if I clearly gave a solution to the puzzle. Am I missing something here ?
jacek: what do you mean. do you have any erro?
jacek: r
Yvant2000sGames: The game is saying "If your mouse reaches the border of the pool [...] you win the game.", but when I reach the end of the pool, the game still displays "LOSER!" after 350 turns
jacek: what does the forum say? I havent done the puzzle
eulerscheZahl: do you have a replay of such a loss?
eulerscheZahl: share it with us, maybe the cat was faster is is waiting there for you
eulerscheZahl: or you are close to the border, but at the wrong side of it
jacek: or it is Caturday
eulerscheZahl: it's friday. but a public holiday here
jacek: holiday? huh?
eulerscheZahl: decided to take a bicycle trip to the next city and have a pizza for lunch
eulerscheZahl: restaurant was open according to their website. saw a note at the door: on holidays for the week
eulerscheZahl: so i had to drive the 18km back. stopped at 2 other restaurants on the way, both closed
eulerscheZahl: then tried another one in the opposite direction from my home. place is getting demolished already, owner had to move his restaurant somewhere else
Yvant2000sGames: Wait there is a side to get out of the pool ? I just tried and when I get out to the left, I loose, but when I get out to the right, it works
eulerscheZahl: then tried 2 more that were closed until i finally found one
eulerscheZahl: you have to avoid the cat
Yvant2000sGames: Yeah I know that
eulerscheZahl: can you just share a replay of your loss?
eulerscheZahl: it's the 3 dots at the bottom right of the viewer, click it
Yvant2000sGames: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/619762160
eulerscheZahl: lol, that's a bug
eulerscheZahl: in the puzzle itself
Yvant2000sGames: bruh
jacek: who approved it
jacek: write it on forum
Yvant2000sGames: I guess I'll report that
Yvant2000sGames: yeah
eulerscheZahl: yes, reporting is a good idea
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-escaping-the-cat/186117
eulerscheZahl: i think this condition should be true but somehow isn't
https://github.com/igolus/escapingTheCat/blob/master/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L268
eulerscheZahl: but i don't feel like digging any further
HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: https://www.codingame.com/profile/54583f3963f08a7e4a231ed45eec805e1255602
eulerscheZahl: definitely not how i would have implemented it
Yvant2000sGames: That's a weird bug, and I'm wondering how nobody found it earlier
eulerscheZahl: you are going at a straight line, y=0
the rest of us are doing circles before
eulerscheZahl: maybe you should add an @igolus to your bug report so he will see it. but maybe he's already following the thread and gets an email anyways
Yvant2000sGames: Yeah, I was about to code the circle strategy but I wanted to test how the game works before coding anything
eulerscheZahl: set y=1 in your output and try again
Yvant2000sGames: lmao it works
eulerscheZahl: you probably triggered a division by zero or whatever
jacek: math is so prohibitive
Yvant2000sGames: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1169ac0a-e92b-47d1-a280-600f904245fa
HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: negative number
jacek: sqrt of negative number? :scream:
Yvant2000sGames: wait no i read the code wrong, B isn't 0, but then I don't get how the bug is happening
eulerscheZahl: we could download and debug it
eulerscheZahl: or we play the topcoder marathon that's like "there is no spoon" as an optim
eulerscheZahl: https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/ef5d19d2-de9b-4e37-b428-e7e103458425?tab=details
HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5357428c-33dc-484c-8920-693b05011cdf
eulerscheZahl: they actually do pay the money if you win
therealbeef: how much did you win last MM?
eulerscheZahl: and you can collect points for TCO. finals will be in the USA. they play the whole trip+hotel+food
eulerscheZahl: i won $1 last time. and probably got into the finals, still waiting for the official update of the 3 months rating
HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: are they streaming the finals?
eulerscheZahl: i think so. but will be in November
eulerscheZahl: $10000 for the winner. but really strong competitors, i'd be happy not to be in the bottom group
Westicles: 5 bridges, that's a big change
eulerscheZahl: game changer. and no guarantees that you can even connect all nodes
eulerscheZahl: and Rafbill is hiding i think. was first with 98.5 score vs 60-ish for the next. then improved to 99.5 score. not at 0
eulerscheZahl: there's surely a lot of points that i'm still missing
HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: is topcoder very popular with hiring managers?
eulerscheZahl: they have some paid gigs and contests with significantly higher prizes. but sure about permanent positions
eulerscheZahl: e.g. https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/bb34cc95-c06c-4ef7-8655-db0095e45ca3 has higher prizes to win
eulerscheZahl: job listings: https://www.topcoder.com/gigs
Rafbill: eulerscheZahl: :wave:
jacek: Oo
eulerscheZahl: oh, hi Rafbill
eulerscheZahl: how far did your last submit drop our scores?
eulerscheZahl: you should actually be in TCO finals already, the overall leaderboard is so flawed. beaten by 1 point, while the other user played twice as many contests :(
Rafbill: Oh, last time I checked, I was in the finals iirc.
eulerscheZahl: they were slow at updating
https://tco22.topcoder.com/competition/marathon?tracks[marathon-tabs]=3&tracks[mm-tco22]=1
eulerscheZahl: bad link, copy it
Rafbill: Yes, I have just checked. I'm not sure whether I would want to go anyway.
eulerscheZahl: tbh i would prefer online finals too
jacek: :older_man:
eulerscheZahl: you don't know my cat. even now that i'm 2m away and coding, she yells for attention. a week without me will be horrible for her :(
eulerscheZahl: afk, cat..
jacek: where are you going for a week? and why you dont bring your Cat
eulerscheZahl: in case of going to TCO finals
eulerscheZahl: and i'm in fear of getting lost at the airport. once i was on a business trip with a colleague. he had to promise our secretary to look after me. "he's unable to survive alone"
jacek: take your cat to guide you
eulerscheZahl: she's 17 years of age and easily scared
jacek: thats what she said :tada:
Scarfield: https://youtu.be/PmxhCyhevMY?t=282
Scarfield: euler
jacek: rick roll eh
Scarfield: https://snipboard.io/HUvJFe.jpg
Scarfield: nope
jacek: rollfield
Nik05: Quiet day
a-Rye: Without Antiwonto...you can hear the echo of the taco as it falls
Nik05: :p
Nik05: a-Rye :taco:
a-Rye: :taco: Nik05
a-Rye: I don't think Antiwonto is around though, so we cannot pass tacos
jacek: nyoro~n
Nik05: It's about the idea a-Rye...
a-Rye: :grin:
ASM_MOV_INT: well, if you eat tacos, you'll be passing alright....! :joy:
Chrimle: How long does it take to get the confirmation and results from a certification test?
ycsvenom: Automaton2000 works with markov chain !!!
Automaton2000: there are many ways to do it, but i am doing it
ycsvenom: wooow
ycsvenom: and he is really good
Nik05: hi
ycsvenom: hello
sergeantoof: Sup
ycsvenom: hola
a-Rye: As I near 3,000 views, I'm finally adding a decent amount of examples for each concept in my Python playground
a-Rye: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/64843/beginner-python-concepts/intro
a-Rye: and hola por ti tambien and all
ycsvenom: i saw it
good stuff for beginners
a-Rye: Thanks! I'm still working on the next level stuff. Just downloaded a free pdf of O'Rielly's Graph Databases. I struggled in college with bst and graph logic
ycsvenom: it is tough for everyone
a-Rye: Yeah, but the tougher it is, the better the "ah-ha" moment that follows
omylist: hi , may i know why have #407 ?
Nik05: sorry, what?
omylist: error
Nik05: Where?
omylist: coding page
omylist: not allow me play my code
Nik05: Have you refreshed?
omylist: yes
Nik05: I don't have a problem
Nik05: Is it a specific puzzle?
omylist: idk
omylist: im new
Nik05: What puzzle are you doing?
omylist: tic tac toe
a-Rye: I know sometimes with bot programming you need to let it catch up a bit. Is this tic tac toe bot or tic tac toe puzzle?
omylist: what diff ?
Nik05: Do you have the link?
omylist: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tic-tac-toe
a-Rye: bot programming involves running it against a lot of other bots
Ayza: works fine with me
Nik05: That's the puzzle
a-Rye: Oh, the puzzle. Still might need some time to catch up. Try clicking other test cases to "trick it" into working again / refreshing the right part
omylist: ok, thanks.
a-Rye: Wait, no, this says puzzle in the link but it's bot programming. Isn't it? It has the leagues...
a-Rye: This is the puzzle tic tac toe:
a-Rye: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tictactoe
a-Rye: weird. if you have the dashes '-' then it's bot. Otherwise, it's puzzle
ASM_MOV_INT: I can read the cryptic code in most languages that I've learned, but I would never code that way
ASM_MOV_INT: even to clash for shortest
a-Rye: Recher showed me how to use Chinese characters as a trick in shortest clashes. I wouldn't code like this for a job...but for the clashing...oh you betcha
ASM_MOV_INT: rofl, nice
ASM_MOV_INT: crazy, but nice
a-Rye: I'm not good enough to be doing the Chinese char trick though. But being better about inline statements / single line statements and such
Wizard-Dude: Hello, how would I be able to drag around my windows, like the coding interface into my other monitor, while I can view the game? Thanks
AyyyCn: hello, how can I replay a a game I had in clash?
a-Rye: Depends on your visual settings Wizard-Dude. You can adjust the orientation of your monitors if you right click the desktop and select Display Settings
weebiss: Hi
SubZeRoy9: Is a big if statement the proper way to solve mars lander?
SubZeRoy9: Wow that code looks complex
