ASM_MOV_INT: I love clash, because you can see other's code after it's complete, and if you understand their solution.... if it's different approach, it's nice to have that in your mind
koiee: yeah me too, but as an not active user here
there should be a question difficulty level selector
koiee: we just want to clash code with my friends
koiee: is there a website that we can select difficulty level of question
One-Six: Yeah, that would be nice for private clash...
OverInstitutionalizedApe: hey, does anyone know if you can read & write files from your computer to your programs for codingame projects?
OverInstitutionalizedApe: Or some other way to store data between runs of a program?
Wontonimo: how's the NN stuff going?
struct: I paused it for a bit during backpropagation
struct: its a bit confusing
dmuraco: what's for dinner?
dooge: eheheh
dooge: aahahahahhahah
dooge: l
dooge: ll
koiee: hi
koiee: how can we get harder questions in private clash
ASM_MOV_INT: ...there is no way to determine or select difficulty in the clashes, as far as I've ever known
ASM_MOV_INT: the rating system helps them determine that behind the scenes for the selection process
Lufus: {
Andriamanitra: ayyyy, >99% certification in scala even though i had to google how to define a function in scala
MrZee: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/67f99924-2d32-483a-b8e0-2e325115ba84
One-Six: whoa, how does the chat pastebin work>
One-Six: ?
MrZee: I have absolutely no idea lol, it just happened
MrZee: I used shift enter to write on a new line and that's how it came out
One-Six: test
a second line
One-Six: hmm...
One-Six: perhaps it's not long enough
One-Six: But, yes, classic programing
One-Six: take down one bug, another arises
MrZee: It's especially annoying when the program involves a lot of math that must be redone by hand to see where the operation is failing lol
One-Six: ohno
TFeld: If the chat message is long enough, it's put into a pastebin
TFeld: Like this: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/051fe8c8-08ac-43c8-b973-588deb0b90be
RajdeepBiswas: The sound alerts on this site could be a little more dampened so its not as much piercing to headphone users. What do you guys think?
5DN1L: read the solution here: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/allow-user-to-disable-or-adjust-volume-on-clash-of-code-countdown-bell/194450
RajdeepBiswas: It's just straight up muting the sound. I still want sound effect; just need an option for a gentler one. Thanks anyway!
5DN1L: You may try browser addons which can adjust sound volume on individual tabs in a browser
Miki09: Can someone please tell me what's wrong with my code in minesweeper?
ReinJaks: why in minesweeper the cell always return "?" wherever you are?
Miki09: "?" means that you dont know what's in this cell
Uljahn: "Your first action will always reveal multiple cells at once."
Uljahn: so reveal some random cell first, then read the inputs
Miki09: Can someone please tell me what's wrong with my code in minesweeper?
DethHarmonik: me what's wrong with my code in minesweeper?
ReinJaks: thx uljahn!
Uljahn: Miki09: why don't you want to use this learning opportunity yourself?
RajdeepBiswas: Just curious, when does one become a moderator?
Miki09: Because I'm struggling on my code SOOOOOO long and I still don't know what's wrong
BlaiseEbuth: There's a min troll level required RajdeepBiswas. Note there's also a max troll level and you can lose the mod status if you go above.
ReinJaks: the icarus disease of the moderators
Uljahn: RajdeepBiswas: it all depends on admins decision to promote old-time users
MrZee: So what you're saying is that mods need to keep their trolling......in moderation
DethHarmonik: :clap:
DeadSpark: e
RajdeepBiswas: *begins trolling aggressive*
RajdeepBiswas: *but not too aggresively*
5DN1L: that's not the way
RajdeepBiswas: show me da wae
RajdeepBiswas: do you know da wae
5DN1L: coding-related topics please
patrick11: i know da we
patrick11: wae*
5DN1L: you'll be kicked out if you guys keep talking da wae
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
RajdeepBiswas: Have you watched the new programmer movie @5DN1L?
5DN1L: No, I don't watch movies
patrick11: sorry
RajdeepBiswas: It's the SQL of the older one
5DN1L: thanks for the joke
geek_in_code: Do you have seen the Beijing Winter Olympics?:grinning:
5DN1L: Has that got anything to do with coding?
RajdeepBiswas: No, but I bet the punchline will
5DN1L: SQL again?
Creampie1: yes
Facial2: some people have to do comedy here, I'm dead...
5DN1L: Dead people can't chat here
Creampie1: yes they can
5DN1L: Somebody please lead Facial2 back to the grave
Facial2: xD
geek_in_code: ...
Iceblock28: hi there
Creampie1: I have erectile dysfunction and a large pimple on my cock
5DN1L: ok, you're out
bonsaifree: he was never in :D
5DN1L: whatever
darkhorse64: please ban facial too. Porn reference are simply not acceptable here (and elsewhere too)
5DN1L: porn?
Facial2: no i can change if u want
Tibo1D: it's better now ?
MrHassan: let's code matha fax!
darkhorse64: definitely
5DN1L: oh you mean his name
darkhorse64: yep
Uljahn: nobody expects the nickname police :police_car:
Quidome: I really don't understand what is so funny about spamming this chat? There are plenty of other places where this is NOT a problem
5DN1L: i can never understand it either
Uljahn: it's not fun enough when "this is NOT a problem"
Quidome: it's getting to a point where it is annoying actually
geek_in_code: agree
5DN1L: obviously they have a very different idea in their minds
Quidome: yes I see, but do that somewhere else please
Uljahn: this might be considered as a challenge by those "edgy" kiddos, kinda forbidden fruit
linjoehan: Hey is the minesweeper thin over already?
Quidome: End date: February 13, 2022 at 10:00 PM
Quidome: It is now possible to look at other solutions
linjoehan: Ah ok but voting has started
Quidome: yes :)
linjoehan: So I need to do this now.
LouieCantle: How do i get a job from this website
Miki09: 1)Max your account
Miki09: 2)Click "Get a job"
5DN1L: 3)Move to France?
Miki09: :)
geek_in_code: Just have fun:grin:
Elena.: @5DN1L can I dm you?
fpackard: Question re shortest clash of code - someone used an online tool to minify their Python solution, which basically turns it into an unreadable string of bytes wrapped in an exec()
fpackard: Is this legal? It seems somewhat cheat-y to me.
5DN1L: CG doesn't disallow it
fpackard: OK, good to know. Thanks.
Miki09: fpackard I've already asked Thibaud and he said it was legal. But you can ask too :-)
fpackard: No worries, I believe you :)
fpackard: Personally I feel like it sort of defeats the purpose of the 'share code' button - in that people can read your solution and learn from it. But I don't make the rules!
5DN1L: you can still read it and decode it haha
5DN1L: not that i use the minifier myself
fpackard: True - though I don't know about anyone else, but I really couldn't be bothered doing that :)
5DN1L: fair enough :)
5DN1L: and i can't be bothered using the minifier as well
5DN1L: just knowing how the trick works is good enough
fpackard: Yeah, it's a pretty clever idea
fpackard: Just not something I would personally want to use
5DN1L: right
HideLord: Btw I've seen a lot of people solving shortest mode with some kind of compression on the code and then executing the bytes
HideLord: how is this done?
Miki09: https://clemg.github.io/pythongolfer/
HideLord: ah very nice thanks a bunch
Astrobytes: though the technique was in use way before that site became a thing
YurkovAS: Astrobytes do you use end-book in oware?
Astrobytes: YurkovAS no, just plain MCTS w/ EPT
YurkovAS: ok, thanks
Astrobytes: np
Daniel_Leidenheimer: Hey, I'm trying to solve the genome sequencing puzzle but I'm struggling at validator 13 has anyone an idea of what the input looks like for this validator? I'm not sure where my problem currently is.
5DN1L: Please read the forum post
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/genome-sequencing-puzzle-discussion/24/
Daniel_Leidenheimer: Hm I'm not sure what you want to show me there. post 24 was about the "Almost Superimposed" Validator. I read the forum but there where only 2 people asking for the validator 13 but without any response.
5DN1L: 24 doesn't mean post 24
5DN1L: it's just part of the url i copied
5DN1L: read the whole post
5DN1L: whole thread, i mean
5DN1L: and there are responses regarding validator 13
5DN1L: search the name of the validator within that thread
Daniel_Leidenheimer: oh ok found it thank you
Tibo_02: me too thanks
nulte: hi
Miki09: hello
GodRebukeYou: any woman here ?
5DN1L: mod here
Astrobytes: nulte returns :)
GodRebukeYou: i just asked a question
5DN1L: ask APPROPRIATE questions, please
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
GodRebukeYou: ok sorry
KalamariKing: lmao
KalamariKing: hey all long time no see
RajdeepBiswas: ahahahaha wtf
Astrobytes: hello
RajdeepBiswas: how's work for yall?
Astrobytes: Not working. Off sick long-term for the moment.
RajdeepBiswas: Oh, what happened?
Astrobytes: Spinal/bone issues. Long story.
RajdeepBiswas: Take care, man
RajdeepBiswas: Whats the recovery ETA?
derjack: oO
Astrobytes: Well, still waiting on a bone density scan among other things, everything delayed because of the virus
Astrobytes: so no idea really
Astrobytes: It had better be soon though!!
5DN1L: hope it'll go well for you!
RajdeepBiswas: feel better, man
Astrobytes: Yeah, I don't need these kind of issues at my age, feel like a pensioner
RajdeepBiswas: curious, whats your age (bracket)?
Astrobytes: 39
RajdeepBiswas: ah
RajdeepBiswas: its scary tbh
KiwiTae: pretty old for a cat :) hey Astrobytes o/
Astrobytes: No one told my bones apparently, they think they're 79 :rofl:
Astrobytes: yo KiwiTae :D
Astrobytes: Anyway, moving on, still got my brain and the rest at least!
BlaiseEbuth: He's young but he got beaten by a band of garlic cloves... :(
Astrobytes: lol, forgot about that
BlaiseEbuth: See? Even memory issues due to brain damages...
Astrobytes: wheesht laddie :rofl:
RajdeepBiswas: casual roasting xD
RajdeepBiswas: (idek context)
Astrobytes: lol, all good :)
jonatan-nielsen: Where is the AI stuff? I can't find it
Astrobytes: Under 'Compete'->'Bot Programming'
jonatan-nielsen: Thanks!
Astrobytes: you're welcome
RajdeepBiswas: if I want to retry the testcases of a CoC (without points, just to check correctness), where can I find it?
5DN1L: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
derjack: do you take the stuff like glucosamine, msm, haluryic acid etc. for the bones?
RajdeepBiswas: this is excellent! who maintains this?
derjack: did you try cat purr bone healing?
nulte: drjack
KalamariKing: RajdeepBiswas euler does
KalamariKing: its pretty useful yea
RajdeepBiswas: very useful indeed, thanks @5DN1L
RajdeepBiswas: also, why doesnt codingame have its own lookup feature at least
BlaiseEbuth: Not a priority.
derjack: not enough $
nicola: RajdeepBiswas, his name is in the URL.
KalamariKing: ^
KalamariKing: WOW my rank slipped
KalamariKing: havent played in a while, 200ish --> 2500th
RajdeepBiswas: @nicola, ik that, saw his github later. was just wondering if its one single person doing it or more of us
mr_developer001: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/222081522a26ab06867e7c55e8179956b571236
mr_developer001: join me in clash
antiwonto: [automated] hey mr_developer001, dont paste those links here. Use the channel #clash
nulte: :taco: antiwonto
antiwonto: [automated] nulte has awarded antiwonto 10 tacos. antiwonto now has 20 tacos. nulte now has 1 tacos
KiwiTae: stealing tacos
RajdeepBiswas: :taco:
RajdeepBiswas: :taco: nulte
antiwonto: [automated] RajdeepBiswas has awarded nulte 10 tacos. nulte now has 11 tacos. RajdeepBiswas now has 1 tacos
RajdeepBiswas: whats this
nulte: cg currency
RajdeepBiswas: what can i buy
nulte: im joking sry
Miki09: :taco: wontonimo
Uljahn: :taco: Automaton2000
antiwonto: [automated] Uljahn has awarded Automaton2000 10 tacos. Automaton2000 now has 20 tacos. Uljahn now has 1 tacos
Automaton2000: you find the shortest path to the next one
Automaton2000: it seems i need to test it out
Uljahn: xD
Caticii: antiwonto
nulte: soon Automaton2000 will learn how to give tacos
Automaton2000: it will always be 0
Uljahn: :scream_cat:
nulte: tacos has the word cat in it coincidence? I think not
KalamariKing: what about a tacocat
Wontonimo: woot, glad to see tacos are flowing freely
KalamariKing: so many tacos
KalamariKing: taco
KalamariKing: :taco:
nulte: I need to make a petition to update Portugal flag
nulte: its not right
KalamariKing: :christmas_tree:
Wontonimo: hi antiwonto
antiwonto: [automated] hey Wontonimo. I'm a bot :robot:
Lambert_W_Function: no way
RajdeepBiswas: Can I see previous CoC submissions of mine?
5DN1L: No you can't
nulte: press notifications
5DN1L: Ah true
nulte: you should be able to see previous clashes
5DN1L: But there's a limit
RajdeepBiswas: yeah
RajdeepBiswas: cant access older urls from browser history
Wontonimo: lmgtfy RajdeepBiswas see older urls from browser history
antiwonto: [automated] hey RajdeepBiswas let me google that for you https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=see+older+urls+from+browser+history
Wontonimo: new functionality !
nulte: nice
Wontonimo: say "lmgtfy [username] [query]"
5DN1L: :clap:
Wontonimo: if you don't use a proper user name or don't have at least 2 tacos, you can't use the command
nulte: maybe level aswelL?
RajdeepBiswas: ahahah mate i meant really old clash urls obtained from history doesn't get you back your code, @Wontonimo
Wontonimo: i was just trying the new functionality. sorry mate
RajdeepBiswas: lol okay
Wontonimo: nulte - don't have access to level atm
Jeran_trr_dandu12_ans: hi
antiwonto: [automated] Welcome Jeran_trr_dandu12_ans, have't seen you before
A friendly reminder to be respectful
Wontonimo: oh, and i turned on new joiner messages again ;)
jacek: oh my
antiwonto: [automated] Hey jacek, here is a :taco: for loggin in today. You now have 12 tacos
Wontonimo: oh, and that ^
Lambert_W_Function: tacos
therealbeef: this is getting scary
antiwonto: [automated] Hey therealbeef, here is a :taco: for loggin in today. You now have 1 tacos
jacek: and spammy
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/0oYW3Ta.jpeg
Wontonimo: i'll turn it off ;(
Wontonimo: maybe move it to #tacos
Wontonimo: yeah, i'll move it there
therealbeef: lmgtfy antiwonto meow meow beans
Wontonimo: oh, you don't have enough tacos it seems
Wontonimo: okay now daily prize for logging in is logged to #tacos instead of here
Wontonimo: banned Jeran_trr_dandu12_ans
jacek: oO
Wontonimo: well, i'm gonna change that to #taco
Wontonimo: changed.
dinamak: poopoo
jacek: Oo
Wontonimo: hey dinamak you have been kicked. you will be able to rejoin in about 5 min. please be nice when you return
FluffyToaster: Hey quick question about a bot programming contest (Great Escape). I'm currently better than the boss, and have been for a few hours, but I haven't been upranked yet. The "those better than the boss will be promoted" time has passed a few times already. Any idea what's going on?
Wontonimo: are you higher on the leaderboard ?
Uljahn: resubmit or ask [CG]Thibaud to promote you manually
FluffyToaster: I resubmitted this morning, but I'll try it again
FluffyToaster: And yes Wonto I am
jacek: there seem some problems with promoting randomly lately eh
Uljahn: promotions are buggy, ye
Wontonimo: at my work place also ;(
struct: ok finally added TT for repetition
struct: unordered map was very slow for me for some reason
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: wontonimo tell me about cats
jacek: :unamused:
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: what?
struct: When even jacek reacts you know something is wrong
jacek: oh my
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: thanks for the info
struct: jacek I decided to not hash the state, instead I store it and just compare it, is this a bad idea?
struct: the 3fold repetition table should be small anyways
ninjadip: folding steel is hard
Wontonimo: how do you do the lookup in a fast way if you don't hash struct?
struct: just a for loop I check all current entries
struct: it was faster than unordered map
struct: at least for me
struct: Maybe I did something wrong
Wontonimo: i wouldn't use an unordered map. i'd use a static array, and the index is the hash
jacek: just like that c4 solver
struct: how does that work?
jacek: well comparing states shouldnt be that expensive if you use bitboards
struct: yeah my state is only 2 U64
jacek: i.e. you use array of 2**24 entries. so hash % 2**24 is your inde
jacek: x
jacek: http://blog.gamesolver.org/solving-connect-four/07-transposition-table/
struct: I see
struct: I think I remember coding something similar
struct: but with buckets inside the TT
struct: in case the hash % 1<<24 repeated but state would be different
Wontonimo: if the data structure in the TT also includes the game state, then you can use the hash lookup to quickly get to the TT then double check the game state to make sure it isn't a false match
struct: yeah I think this is what the buckets were for
Wontonimo: how do buckets work?
struct: struct TT{
Entry entries[size][buckets]
struct: then if hash%size you check all the stuff inside it
struct: for the size that it currently has
jacek: few states per hash
Wontonimo: ah
jacek: :taco: Wontonimo
antiwonto: [automated] jacek has awarded Wontonimo 10 tacos. Wontonimo now has 53 tacos. jacek now has 13 tacos
Wontonimo: so if you have 8 buckets, you could instead have a hash that is 8 times larger with no buckets
jacek: and also slower insert/load
Wontonimo: slower without buckets?
jacek: with
Wontonimo: right, linearly with size of bucket
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: hm, what kind of code does fnf use?
Wontonimo: assembly
Wontonimo: i'm not wrong
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: is it hard or easy to use?
Wontonimo: the hardest
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: hm
jacek: friday night funk?
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: my remix of the game used something diffenet
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: but it is long gone now
Wolf1real: :ok_hand:
Wolf1real: :ok_hand:
Wontonimo: don't spam
Wolf1real: sorry wrong chat
jacek: what was the right one? :thinking:
Wolf1real: to my freind
Rebollo: Guys, any existing puzzle to help us learning the RAYCASTING mechanism?
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_wifes: yeet yeet
Wontonimo: i saw something Rebollo but I can't find it
Alshock: there's something with raycastingon a dice right?
Wontonimo: it was a ascii maze puzzle
Rebollo: dice? could provide the link?
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/dice-duel
jacek: it burns gpus
Rebollo: does seem to use ray cast, why it would?
Alshock: hm, that's not what I was thinking of, but I can't find it easily
Rebollo: raycast is more related to trigonnometry, like line intersections and thing like that
struct: linux jacek?
Wontonimo: like raycasting for gpus and lighting?
Rebollo: yes and fire guns
struct: https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/lets-make-a-cheap-ascii-3d-engine
Wontonimo: struct :taco:
struct: isnt it this one?
antiwonto: [automated] Wontonimo has awarded struct 10 tacos. struct now has 10 tacos. Wontonimo now has 54 tacos
Rebollo: amazing
struct: thanks
Rebollo: thank you struct
struct: np
Wontonimo: if this doesn't fit the situation you are looking for Rebollo, consider making a classic in/out puzzle. Enter the test cases and then use it to try and make an algo. Submit it to WIP and see what other algos people come up with!
Alshock: *struggle to find a puzzle*
- so happy I found it! Let's tell it to the... Oh, yes that one exactly... :sob: *
struct: I just used euler tool
BadBurger: dam, i knew you could use kotlin to make android apps, didnt know it has surpassed java in developement for android. its been 4years ago when i llast read about kotlin. tried to make a app for fun during the weekend, and was supriced how easy it was
BadBurger: went and bought a android pad to company and making couple apps i use when i do measuring. man they have really made it simple nowdays to make apps
Wontonimo: yeah, a coworker gave a presentation about how awesome it was, that it was her new fav programming lang. Then 3 weeks later she gave her resignation and took a job doing ... you guessed it
jacek: adult stuff?
Wontonimo: lol
jacek: did i guess
tpat90: making apps is no adult stuff nowadays
Wontonimo: if by "adult stuff" you mean coding kotlin for a major accounting firm, then yes
nulte: close enough
jacek: now lets make kotlinscript
struct: maybe next time Ill try kotlin to make a cg game
struct: everytime I code in Java it makes me never want to code again
nesnes112: hi
nesnes112:
here is a small javascript script
nesnes112: const S = readline();
print(S.replace(/(\d+)(\D+)(?=\d|$)/g,(a,b,c)=>c.repeat(b)))
nesnes112: the a here represents each character of the string S?
nulte: no
nulte: a represents what the regex matched
nulte: if you do (a,b,c) => console.error(a,b,c);
nulte: you can see exactly what each one does
nulte: I think b is index of the match?
nulte: ah no
nulte: im wrong
nulte: a = (\d+), b = (\D+), c = (?=\d|$)
nulte: I think
nulte: ok I have no idea about it, maybe some js expert can explain better
nesnes112: thanks nulte but i don't think it's correct what u said
nulte: I think the a is the entire match of the regex
nulte: That one im certain about
nesnes112: thank you nulte
ninjadip: why you don't you test it in a regex editor
nesnes112: i did ninjadip
nesnes112: i ask for only a
nesnes112: what represents
ninjadip: a will match to all numbers/digits
ninjadip: or something that starts witha digit at least
Wontonimo: i'm just chomping on the bit to use the lmgtfy function hehe
nesnes112: thanks ninjadip
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: quick question
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/q7kTKjs.jpg
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: what if im trying to make a game that uses 3D and 2D things, what can i use/do to save space and time
Wontonimo: practice more. Seriously eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers , i've asked you to focus on codingame related topics here
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: i am
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: well more or loss
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: but the codingames guidebook doesnt talk about adding 2D and 3D
nulte: 3d for what?
nulte: sdk?
ninjadip: i never got a guidebook, man what did i pay those membership fees for to Wontonimo then?
Wontonimo: nulte , eve hasn't even solved 1 puzzle nor knows any languages
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: as far as you know
Wontonimo: making a game isn't the right next step
Wontonimo: you just asked me what language you should learn, and you got 1% on the language you tried to test on.
ninjadip: hm.. that's a tough first step
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: for me aleast
ninjadip: for anyone!!
ninjadip: you can't run before you crawl
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: and you cant crawl before you were born
ninjadip: oh my
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: or start, that would be better thing to say
nulte: well same applies to coding
nulte: go learn how to code then you can think about 2d/3d stuff
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: okay, i'll go and learn stuff
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: what is reverse mode?
5DN1L: you have to guess what you have to output based on the provided test cases
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: ohhh
Quidome: anyone experience with Clobber?
Quidome: strange game :)
struct: nim game
Quidome: yes, can't think of a strategy except for building an endgame database
jacek: that tutorial game?
jacek: i cant think of any stategy either
jacek: thats what i have computers for
struct: :/
Quidome: brute forcing then
struct: my bot is just my bt code
jacek: or random mctsing
struct: with move gen changed
Quidome: really does mcts work with this game?
struct: not that good
Wontonimo: if only there was some way to auto generate a reasonable heuristic
jacek: yes if you dont know any eval
struct: my bot has no eval
struct: due to that reason
Quidome: yes, i came to that conclusion as well :) glad you brought that up
Quidome: all is done in endgame
Quidome: hm
Quidome: did anyone build an endgame database for Clobber?
struct: I dont think its usefull
struct: just like on bt
struct: game is decided early
Quidome: why is the game decided early?
jacek: probably you can remove the unusable pawns from consideration
struct: maybe im wrong about clobber
Quidome: what is bt?
struct: breakthrough
struct: another board game
Quidome: here on CG?
struct: I dont know clobber very well though I only spent a few minutes on it
struct: yes
Quidome: you are at place 8 with no eval and brute forcing?
struct: yeap
Quidome: nice :)
Quidome: how deep do you look (max)
struct: no idea tbh
struct: I have around 1.6M rollouts on first turn
Quidome: hm, speed is of the essence then
jacek: well there is some earlier endgame detection in bt
struct: 1.6M on clobber
struct: im also 8th on clobber
struct: I might be confusing
Ron1331: who wanna visit north korea with me?
struct: are we talking about bt or clobber now?
struct: On bt I do have an eval
Ron1331: :hugging:
jacek: oO
5DN1L: wrong channel, Ron1331?
struct: Speed is not very usefull, my c4 is the proof of that
Quidome: I am confused now, is this about Cobbler?
struct: The numbers I said were about clobber
Quidome: ok thnxs, what is c4
struct: connect 4
Quidome: 1.6M rollouts sounds like a lot
struct: well first turn is 1 sec
Quidome: but does that help, probably not, 1.6M at the end would be better :)
Quidome: well thnxs for the feedback
jacek: speed is quite important. but after some point there are diminishing returns
jacek: at first having 20-30% more rollouts will be significant, but later having 2x speed would be hardly noticeable
Quidome: @jacek you are at position one. are you doing brute force and minimal eval as well?
jacek: im using... NN
Quidome: Aha, that's different, intersting
jacek: so a little brute force and maximal eval
Quidome: gona look at your games see of it shows me some features of winning positions
jacek: so manually training yourself by watching the games
kovi: transfer learning
struct: MIght be easier to write a NN than to learn from one
ninjadip: i would think so
Quidome: I am just curious, if i had to play this game myself I don't have a clue what to do
struct: I get what you mean Quidome
jacek: find some papers about it https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/Claessen_thesis.pdf
jacek: or learn some nim game theory
Quidome: yeah already looked at that one and it doesn't translate to nim apparently
jacek: https://meep.cubing.net/portfolio/proj_sw_clobber.htm
jacek: this one uses 'endgames' as it gets scores from separate subgames reducing the search space
Quidome: Claessen is usong an endgame database so I was wandering if that was already tried here
jacek: milklla is/was using theoretical approach. i bet msmits used some endgames stuff as well
Quidome: OK, i have sort of an idea what you guys are doing with this game. I guess there is still room dor some improvement,... hopefully :)
jacek: im suprised im still 1st
Quidome: How long are you at that position?
jacek: last submit was 30.04.2021
jacek: sometimes i was 2nd or 3d since then due to resubmiting of others
Quidome: hm, sort of dead alley. You are more than 2 points better then number 2
Quidome: that's a nice difference
jacek: still it isnt perfect. when you see my lost game, youll see that my bot says something like 0.7 or 0.9.. score just to prove a loss one move later
nulte: that still happens?
jacek: yes, thats why im surprised it still good
struct: jacek do you use TTs with mcts?
jacek: no
jacek: too messy
BadBurger: dam, missed eulers mini contest
struct: you still have 4 days?
BadBurger: oh, i tought it ended today, and next 4 days is just to vote
struct: ah
jacek: eulers mini contest?
jacek: oh minesweeper?
BadBurger: yah that
jacek: its not much different than from old puzzle of the week
Deathbot1094: It's been a while since I've been on this website and into coding, but can someone help me on hot to write the coding>
Idk.-_-: hey guys
Idk.-_-: wich language is best after the python ?
struct: java
sulan_codin: assembly
sulan_codin: fortran
Idk.-_-: Does Java affect Python development?
sulan_codin: joking around, you should learn at least one static typed language like Java, C++, C#...
Quidome: rust
jacek: :scream:
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: people do know TSP is a very well known problem almost everyone has solved at one point or another, right?
struct: I never did it
Quidome: well is exposed to it, yes
DomiKo: As you can see there https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/travelling-salesman/discuss
DomiKo: yes
Idk.-_-: and i'm very bad at solving math problem what can i do ? :((
struct: get better at math
jacek: try meth, its almost the same
Idk.-_-: i'm scare if i go after other languages i will forget the python :D
jacek: you can never forget python
jacek: thats what she said
DomiKo: :joy:
SleepyPig: q :
Blabbage: Idk, don't be afraid to try another language. Java and C# are somewhat easy to get started with, however going from Python, you will probably hate them for their wordy and very explicit nature. But going from doing one language to multiple will enable you to generalize many programming concepts and make it easier to transition and understand new additions to the languanges
struct: I think going from python to c++ might be enjoyable
Idk.-_-: damn it man but you said java :D
Idk.-_-: i started looking java tutorials
struct: any language will do
babun: finally rank 1 in bronze !
babun: i love this game
struct: grats
Blabbage: congrats, which game?
babun: Mad Pod Racing
babun: im new, i thought it was Mad Pod Racing game chat only :)
Blabbage: This is global chat
babun: ok :) have fun everyone !
Idk.-_-: struct mate do you know a nice course for c++ ?
struct: Its been a long time since I learned c++
struct: maybe? https://www.learncpp.com/
Idk.-_-: it's esay to understand ?
struct: thats subjective
Idk.-_-: thanks a lot for helping :))
Idk.-_-: 1 last question :D
jacek: mad pod racing eh
Idk.-_-: do i need to learn c before c++ ?
jacek: no
jacek: better if you dont know c before :v
BadBurger: personally, i dont think one should start learning c or c++ unless they have a good reason for using it. i feel like languages are divided into 3 groups, assembly, c/c++, and then there is the rest.
BadBurger: i mean, hell of a language to know, but learning another language, it will be easyer to learn the next one, you learn programming, you know what you want to do and how, then when you move to another language, its a day or 2 and you start getting the hang of it. (exept java, f java
jacek: oO
BadBurger: i want to know c/c++ but its just so hard for me to allocate the energy to get it. when it takes like days to move from one language to another.
jacek: yeah, there is some allocation in c/c++ :v
BadBurger: maybe its just me, but knowing languages like kotlin, python, js will take you far if you are a tinkerer/hobbyist.
but if c if for future jobs, thats a different story, or if its for competing in the challenges, then c/c++ is great
Scarfield: nulte has returned :o
jacek: he has some class at least
BadBurger: 3 languages that is easy to learn, with those, you get far, python for raspberryPi (big librarys for stepper motors and such) kotlin for android integration. but this is very hard todo with c/c++ in same timeframe it would take to learn python and kotlin for example.
BadBurger: this is my opinion and not meant as a fact.
jacek: well c/c++ is quite low level in comparison to those
BadBurger: yeah and thats my point. you can make a raspberryPi/arduino controlled thing like lights in your home, and control with with a app you made in c (its possible right?) on your phone. but you need to be a dam guru, but do that with python and kotlin, you could learn how to do that in couple weeks
Idk.-_-: i can't explain what i mean
Idk.-_-: i want to learn other languages to improve my python languages and get better understand in syntax
Idk.-_-: and i don't know wich one of them is best after python
BadBurger: idk.-_- we understood your question, im just offrails philosophizing, if you want to learn c++, not learning c first might be better.
jacek: then java or c# will be better. youll learn about static types and they are high level enough
BadBurger: dont listen to jacek, he is one of those rare people that just know stuff. not like you and me. but yeah, agree, i would go c rather than c++, but definetly go kotlin instead of java
BadBurger: java is soon a dead language
jacek: oO
Idk.-_-: again thank's for helping
BadBurger: i went form python to javascript because they are so similiar, you just google "python dict in javascript" and you get the js version. and kotlin was very easy to goto after that. i learned js for fun because it was so easy to go to.
Idk.-_-: kotlin is just for android ?
BadBurger: and kotlin is very fast, since its compiles, but js is much faster than python, if you want a language you can understand fast after python and want a edge for competition here, since python is slow to sim in theese challenges
jacek: kotlin is not only for android
jacek: i learned kotlin after java, for me it's just java on steroids.
BadBurger: kotlin is the new java, google pushes kotlin more and more and is abandoning java. so its a good time to know kotlin.
Elena.: data class already makes it incredible compared to java
Elena.: saves so much time
Anschluss: hi everyone
Elena.: hi
Anschluss: i was looking to your chat about languages
Anschluss: what you said about kotlin, is it a point of view or the real future of coding languages?
Anschluss: cause i got a friend who learn java at this time for is new career may i tell him to change his studies?
BadBurger: hi
Elena.: No programming language is 'the future'. When you look for jobs online you'll be able to find them in many kinds of programming languages.
BadBurger: well, best for him would be to learn both languages, if he knows java, will be quite easy to learn kotlin
Anschluss: ok thx for answers
Elena.: As @BadBurger said. If you know Java, switching to/learning another programming language should be no problem.
Anschluss: talking about me, i'm learning python for fun, is it easy too to switch to kotlin?
BadBurger: but if he is gonna go into android programming, kotlin will probably be smarter choice, since google pushes kotlin hard. but java will be used for alot of other stuff, but google does have a big impact on kotlin vs java.
Anschluss: and last question is it easy to find some little freelance job in python programming?
Anschluss: ok ty @Badburger
BadBurger: i dont know the answer for that, but i feel like python is more a language that is used personally, or for small projects. sure it can be used for big projects, but because of that, if you intend to learn a language to freelance, python might not be it. but its a great language to know.
dmuraco: learn javascript to freelance :100:
BadBurger: yeah my neightbor learned js 2 years ago, ( he is 50years something) he got a job easy programming js. talked to him today about it. so dmuraco might have a good point
Anschluss: ok cause i'm a math teacher and i'm looking for a little extra cash^^
BadBurger: shouldnt you freelance in mathlab then?
Anschluss: is there a big step between python and js?
BadBurger: matlab i meant
Anschluss: you think so @badburger?
Idk.-_-: what about after python first js,java,kotlin ?
BadBurger: js is probably mosy easy language to goto from python.
Anschluss: ok
Idk.-_-: ?
BadBurger: Anschluss matlab is very popular in scientific circles, and if you are a math teacher, (i dont know matlab or the usage that much, but i know if you aint good in math, then matlab aint for you) and as a match teacher, looking for freelance, mightaswell use your strengths, but math is so important in any programming language.
BadBurger: idk.-_- depends what you want to do. if your only goal is to learn another language after python, js will be quite easy, only a day or 2 and you are doing it as good as python
BadBurger: but theese are my opinions, dont mistake them for facts. everyone is biased.
KellenW: .
Idk.-_-: i want to improve my skills in programming and be the best in this field and than get a nice job
Idk.-_-: but i'm still confused
NFTOwner: guess who
NFTOwner: 's back
ashwin_h26: hello
Derek_DSouza: hey could remove that profile picture because you do not own it
dmuraco: LoL
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: guys, don't get banned there are no more renews
BadBurger: idk.-_- yeah. the thing is. you want to be as good as you possible can, but if you aim to be the best in the field. you are gonna give up too easy. there are people hardwired to think in machine code. many of em dont even seem to think like humans anymore :joy: you will just need to accept the fact that you wont be best in the field in programming.
Idk.-_-: why ?
Idk.-_-: look this 5DN1L he is a legend in his field
5DN1L: don't look at me. programming isn't even my job lol
Idk.-_-: mate you sure ? :D
Idk.-_-: you know every language
5DN1L: i SOLVE some puzzles in every language
5DN1L: not that i know them all very well
BadBurger: because its like.. lets say you are in a wheelchair, and your goal in life is to beat usain bolt in 100m dash.. sure you might get to be a very good programmer, if you have the passion for it. its like saying i want to be the best mathematician in the world, imma start learning addition tomorrow, what would you tell me withou tlying to me?
Idk.-_-: Certification 99% ? :F
5DN1L: all just basics tests
Idk.-_-: 468 puzzle only with python ?
5DN1L: don't look at me. listen to BadBurger instead
Idk.-_-: badburger is hopeless
5DN1L: huh?
Idk.-_-: mate accept that you are a legend :D
5DN1L: that's not a respectful thing to say
5DN1L: please don't do that in this chatroom
5DN1L: i can kick you out or even ban you
Idk.-_-: i'm saying just my Opinion
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
5DN1L: keep that opinion to yourself
Anschluss: @5DN1L are you really just someone who make fun with programming?
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: Idk.-_- try #fr, you can call people beef nose there
Anschluss: with such results?
5DN1L: i did some programming at work, but it's not required
Anschluss: ok
Idk.-_-: sorry sir !
Idk.-_-: Be humble and supportive of each other
Anschluss: just like said badburger some people are usain bolt and some are in a wheel chair
Anschluss: i'm going to turn my wheels^^
Idk.-_-: BadBurger
sorry mate I did'nt mean badly
BadBurger: there was a article i read couple weeks ago, about the world of programming, many companys has actually stopped looking for cv's and schools. if i remmeber correctly, this was a finnish article, where it said, that they have discovered alot of teens on codingame that has a much bigger grasp on programming than alot of people they have hired.
BadBurger: no worries idk.-_- i know you didnt mean to be mean, my views just didnt alignt with your hopes.
Elena.: Not just CodinGame really. Most companies usually just let you do a test. Usually with algorithmic solutions.
5DN1L: interesting, i wonder how that article comes to that conclusion
Elena.: ^
Idk.-_-: sorry again :(
Blabbage: I would like to read that article as it is very different from my experience
5DN1L: yeah, if there's a link to that, please share it here
BadBurger: i will look if i find it, i had the article on my mobile news, but il try finidng it.
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: I thought Finland was flooded with ex-Nokia guys who take all the jobs
Derek_DSouza: hey
ashwin_h26: hi guys!
nulte: I think you missread the article
nulte: From cg survey it says that 58% of companies are open to ditch CVs
ashwin_h26: poggers
nulte: https://www.zdnet.com/article/its-time-to-ditch-the-cv-why-tech-recruiters-are-changing-how-they-hire/
nulte: You can find multiple articles about it
NFTOwner: who?
nulte: just google "codingame" cv
NFTOwner: asked
ashwin_h26: thats a pretty based article
5DN1L: you'll be banned, NFTOwner
Blabbage: I know many companies that does not have college degree as a mandatory, however the companies I know prefer candidates with a degree
Derek_DSouza: hey
Blabbage: If you already have a proven track record, e.g. doing freelance work, projects etc. they are mostly open
antiwonto: [automated] Derek_DSouza please don't repeat yourself
Derek_DSouza: who?
Derek_DSouza: why
ashwin_h26: hi derek
5DN1L: because that's how you get kicked
**Derek_DSouza slaps around a bit with a large fishbot
KellenW: hello :)
BadBurger: im trying to find it on google, but i cant remember wich language i read it on or wich "news" site it was publushed on. so im having difficoulties finding it
Blabbage: ah, no problem, would just be interesting to read how they got their data
Elena.: I mean, Amazon, Facebook, Google and large companies in general usually just let you do tests instead of completely going by diplomas/certificates.
Blabbage: They test everyone in my experience
Elena.: At a couple of companies I applied to I wasn't able to upload any of my diplomas or certificates. So then it's just my resume and the tests I do lol
Blabbage: I think a degree is the shortest and easiest path still for most people, for a few, something like learning by doing might be better
Blabbage: Elana: Nice
5DN1L: name misspelled
Blabbage: The companies i speak with have major recruitment problems atm. so they interview everyone
Elena.: I learned more here than from study. Although I do think having a diploma is useful.
Blabbage: sry, about the name
Elena.: np
I.T.: hello
Blabbage: Elena, I learned a lot out of uni. however I also learned stuff I would never learn by myself
Blabbage: In general I think people should just focus on how to get better at what they would like to work with, and not focus too much on degrees and grades
BadBurger: yeah the programming hiring world has changed in the last 10years. you cant learn passion for programming. in my books, passion to solve problems by coding is probably most important thing one can have when it comes to programming, thats my opinion. also its fairly easy to teach coding ethics (is that the word for it? im thinking of using spaces between a+=1 and a += 1 for example, the rules for formatting)
Be-Ugeen: small question: what is the binary value for '%'
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: lmgtfy what is the binary value for '%'
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: hmm
nulte: I think you need the name before
Anschluss: got a small question
nulte: [alias] lgtfy [text]
nulte: :taco: Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker
antiwonto: [automated] sorry nulte but you can only award tacos once per day
nulte: Also you need tacos for it I think
nulte: antiwonto lgtfy hey
antiwonto: [automated] hey nulte. I'm a bot :robot:
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: Be-Ugeen lmgtfy what is the binary value for '%'
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: nulte :taco:
struct: :taco: Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker
antiwonto: [automated] struct has awarded Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker 10 tacos. Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker now has 15 tacos. struct now has 11 tacos
Anschluss: are all of these puzzles and clashes near to the problems a programmer could be faced to?
struct: nope
Anschluss: ok and what is the length of the gap?
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: real programming is debugging somebody else's code
Anschluss: ok so you need to know your language near to perfect, is it what you mean?
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: 10 million lines of embedded code and something that always worked broke on some release and you have to fix it
Blabbage: and it costs the campany 1000s of dollars an hour until it's fixed
Anschluss: ok it looks less fun than all the puzzles and clashes proposed^^
Anschluss: i ask that cause i got so much fun to solve the puzzle and clashes and will be so happy to got a job where i ave that to do all day long
Anschluss: but looks like a sweet dream^^
Anschluss: have*
Blabbage: Working as a programmer doesn't have built in gamification, you have to learn to motivate in other ways
Blabbage: Here you do the puzzles for fun, in a company your goal is to make money for the company
BadBurger: in programming, like kotlin, when you make a class, or function, you use the () for assign variables inside the class or function, like fun a(letter:Int), in that context, what is the brackets called?
BadBurger: well, letter:Int dont make sense but you understand what i meant i assume
BadBurger: nevermind, its scope.
Idk.-_-: this PUZZLES so confusing
Idk.-_-: i got headache :D
ASM_MOV_INT: which puzzle?
Idk.-_-: Shadows of the Knight
Idk.-_-: the most esaiest one and i can't do it :(
ASM_MOV_INT: classic puzzle - very hard?
BadBurger: you can ask for help on the puzzles, but not for solutions
BadBurger: idk.-_- wich part of it is it you strugle with?
Idk.-_-: its only need to write if up go up or need to make condition for w and h ?
BadBurger: what anguage are you doing it in?
Idk.-_-: python
BadBurger: lets use 01 map for this.
w, h = [int(i) for i in input().split()]
that line, sets w to 4 and h to 8.
because first map has 8 storys on the house, and 4 windows wide
BadBurger: x0, y0 = [int(i) for i in input().split()]
this set x0 to column2, and y0 is 3
BadBurger: indexes allways start on 0, so batman starts on third window from the left, wich is window#2
BadBurger: because indexing starts counting with 0, so 0,1,2,3.
BadBurger: then every game loop, bomb_dir = input() this fetches and sets bomb_dir to a string, in this case, it will be DR
BadBurger: from this, you can extrapolate, that bomb y cannot be less than batmanY, because bomb is in direction down and right.
BadBurger: x=0 y=0 is top left of building, so if you do print("0 0") batman will goto top left window.
BadBurger: and now answer me, what can bomb X not be?
Idk.-_-: wait still reading
Idk.-_-: i will use for example x0 += 4 or indexing ?
BadBurger: well, before you implement the code, you should be able to think out the next step.
from beginning, next step would be to either think of a solution to figure out, what windows the bomb cannot be in, OR, what windows the bomb can be in.
Idk.-_-: and how do i find this ?
BadBurger: if you manage to think of a way, to get x, y coordinates of windows, where the bomb can possibly be in, then you can jump to a window, and start over again, this time, the possible windows will be smaller, until eventually you land on the bomb.
Idk.-_-: first one esay to see but last one is so confusing
BadBurger: well, just focus on the first level, okay so, tell me what x, y coordinate batman starts on
BadBurger: or row,col if you prefer that.
BadBurger: remember, xy starts from top right, wich is 0,0
Idk.-_-: batman in first map in y 3 becuase stars from 0
BadBurger: y is correct, and x is?
Idk.-_-: and x is i think 3
Idk.-_-: becuase it's start from 0 otherwise it will be 4
BadBurger: x is 2, because first window is 0, second one is 1, thisrd is 2
Idk.-_-: oh my bad :D
BadBurger: if you write
print(x0, y0, file=sys.stderr, flush=True) it will display with red text the current location of batman
BadBurger: debug print is a big asset, if you write
print(bomb_dir, file=sys.stderr, flush=True) you will get with red text, the direction of bomb
BadBurger: but we know bomb is on x:3 y:7
BadBurger: if batman is on x:2 y:3, and direction of bomb is down right, so we can conclude, that the bomb must be in a window, wich x is greater than batmans, and y is greater than batmans y
BadBurger: your job is to figure out a way, to write a code that gives you all windows that x is greater than batmanX, but also, in same condition, window y that is greater than batman y
BadBurger: since its late and not many here, and its a easy one, i will give little more info than probably allowed
BadBurger: if you setup minX, minY, maxX, maxY variables
BadBurger: minX = 0
minY = 0
maxX = w
maxY = h
Idk.-_-: k and what information im gonna store in it ?
Idk.-_-: oh nice :D
BadBurger: w if you remember is the total windows on width, and h is total windows vertically
BadBurger: if dir="DR" then you can put minX=batmanX
minY=BatmanY
BadBurger: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/125a3fa7-d905-43bc-bbf6-0cd9e921c9fd
BadBurger: i suggest googleing python dict
Idk.-_-: mate what is batmanX variable ?
Idk.-_-: i have to create it my own ?
BadBurger: well yeah, you want to track where batman is after your first move, the game only gives you directions, and does not update x0 or y0
Idk.-_-: so i have to use batmanx += for example 3
BadBurger: but when you jump for example to print("3 6") you can set your x0 = 3 y0 = 6
BadBurger: or you can set a new var in start, batmanx=x0
BadBurger: or just rename x0 to batmanX.
Idk.-_-: yes that's one is good
struct: is this binary search?
BadBurger: this contains binay search yes, but we are currently on, current coordinates of batman, and not in the search part yet.
struct: ah sry
Idk.-_-: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c00dd9f4-aea9-4938-84cf-c8f64e43996a
Idk.-_-: like this ?
Idk.-_-: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/260c6b8e-e3a8-479c-96de-c72fa0dfd34c
Rebollo: Guys each puzzle has it own "timeout" or this limit changes depending on the data volume, complexity, etc?
struct: Rebollo I think it depends on the puzzle
Rebollo: thanks
struct: If you want to measure just run an infinite timer and print the time every 100ms
Rebollo: I do it right now
Rebollo: thanks
Rebollo: let you know the result soon
struct: it also depends on the language I think
struct: at least for some puzzles some languages have a bit more time
Rebollo: of course it is not trivial to deal with time is c++
Rebollo: as I tought
Rebollo: :nerd:
struct: #include <chrono>
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d7afda2e-a601-4044-9398-b66459f98503
dmuraco: rust >
struct: Rebollo try that
Rebollo: worked thanks
Rebollo: lol
dmuraco: hey struct whats your favorite struct
Rebollo: was struggling again
Rebollo: anything is a challenge to me
Rebollo: even simple time functions
Rebollo: :expressionless:
Hean2000: you are not alone :sweat_smile:
Rebollo: struct?
struct: yes?
Rebollo: what Am i supposed to to with that
Rebollo: insert in a loop?
Rebollo: I got this as result
Rebollo: 153
47
0
Rebollo: what does it mean?
struct: well that gives the multiple time
struct: nanoseconds, microseconds, milliseconds
Rebollo: All right so I added the cerr (milisencds) inside a while(true) loop, the last result was 596
Rebollo: does it mean the timeout is half a second?
Rebollo: last result before *timeout
C26_1: Good Morning
C26_1: Hello Everyone
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/09669f0e-e7ac-42e5-ad7b-7c477286df30
struct: hi
struct: that will print count evey 100milliseconds
C26_1: ah I understand the code
C26_1: print the number increasingly for every 100ms
C26_1: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ceabfe88-ba27-4a6a-937b-28d8142bb9c6
struct: yes
Rebollo: but there is something wrong here
Rebollo: the result is:
Rebollo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ea5044a6-47df-4eb4-9f86-a5dfdf3f981f
Rebollo: meaning the time is half a second?
Rebollo: last printed number is 5
Rebollo: so 500 milisencods
C26_1: hmmmmm
C26_1: I think the clock may get a problem
Rebollo: we are talking that the timeout is half a second?
C26_1: You see when the compiler evaluate the conditions, it needs time
C26_1: and so does the assign and increasing the count var and print something out
C26_1: So I think it's the compiler error
C26_1: Hey Struct
Rebollo: but you can check for example how long takes before and after this operation to check if your argumemnt is true
struct: yes?
C26_1: why does the code has "start" var when it hasn't assign yet?
Rebollo: give us a light about we mentioned
C26_1: Doesn't that give you an error or something?
Rebollo: just initialize it before the while
C26_1: Ok
nulte: just do auto start
dmuraco: facts
Rebollo: what are they?
Rebollo: I am waiting for the facts
Rebollo: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
struct: you still need help Rebollo?
struct: srry
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a6486901-4f87-4564-97b6-394a61afa39d
struct: mean that it did 500ms at least
struct: before it timed out
Rebollo: only half a second?
struct: so you should have around that time for the puzzle
struct: yeah
struct: half a second is a lot
Rebollo: humm
Rebollo: I see
struct: Do you know the game connect 4?
Rebollo: no
struct: quatro em linha
Rebollo: hum I check and know now
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/607740066
struct: the bot I have plays 3 million games in 1 second
struct: just so you have an idea how fast c++ is
Rebollo: wow
Rebollo: min max right?
struct: no
struct: monte carlo tree search
Rebollo: would you mind sharing the code?
Rebollo: curiosity only to have a look
Rebollo: but 3 million games in 1 second sound impossible
struct: sry but I cant share it.
Rebollo: let me do a quick check
Rebollo: if I do
struct: I do a lot of stuff like avx
Rebollo: a simple while
Rebollo: only counting
lexicons: simd?
struct: yes lexicons
lexicons: inline asm or intrinsics
struct: intrinsics
Rebollo: Do you parallelize in some way?
lexicons: sick
struct: no you can only use 1 thread as far as im aware
lexicons: what kind of sandbox is the code run in
struct: for example this is my win check condition
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/27467a18-207f-4ed7-a2dd-2123dd9f73f3
lexicons: nice
struct: haswell cpu it ranges from 2.1ghz to 3.1ghz
struct: you have 768 MB of ram
lexicons: oh wow
lexicons: is it hosted
Rebollo: What is the trick? Data type? Data structure?
Rebollo: Type of operations?
lexicons: and do you know the compiler flags
struct: aws I think
struct: Yeah I use them
lexicons: what are they
struct: These are the ones I use
struct: #pragma GCC optimize("Ofast","unroll-loops","omit-frame-pointer","inline")
- pragma GCC option("arch=native","tune=native","no-zeroupper")
- pragma GCC target("sse,sse2,sse3,ssse3,sse4,popcnt,abm,mmx,avx,avx2,fma,bmi2")
lexicons: like that the backend compiles your source with
struct: ah no
struct: you need to put them at the top
lexicons: oh pragmas
struct: yeah
struct: it needs to be pragmas :/
struct: But its still very fast
struct: I think default here is O2...
struct: But rust and C# do have release mode
lexicons: wonder if you could locally compile it with your own optimizations then objdump or something and get inline asm to throw in main()
struct: Rebollo Avx can be a bit tricky
lexicons: obviously with lots of messing with the strings
struct: https://github.com/Agade09/CG-Send-Binary
struct: ah I think this is just a compressor?
struct: But I think you can do some stuff lexicons
Rebollo: I dont know even what it is
lexicons: oh it just makes a new file
Rebollo: but will lear about it for sure
struct: You can submit py3 bot run c++ from it
lexicons: is the code run in linux
struct: yes
struct: Rebollo you dont have to worry too much about avx
lexicons: i was poking around a little earlier in the bash dropdown to see whats up
struct: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/mad-pod-racing/leaderboard
struct: if you check here
struct: both rank 1 and rank 4 use a c++ bot
struct: but is listed as python
struct: because they did submit python code
lexicons: oh im working on my bot for that rn
struct: Nice
struct: top 4 is NNs btw
lexicons: i just started it and im in wood 1
lexicons: what are the other rules like
lexicons: that they add as you go
ionKOT: uh
struct: at bronze or silver you get shield
struct: at gold you get 2 pods
lexicons: im thinking message passing
struct: and at legend the max thrust is 200
lexicons: oh huh
lexicons: whats shield for do they fight
struct: they increase your mass by 10
struct: ok your mass becomes 10
lexicons: what kind of interaction is there between opponents
struct: check top bots replays
lexicons: oh thanks
struct: basicly you have 1 pod racing and another 1 trying to block the opponent
struct: You can have both pod racing but is not a good strategy
lexicons: oh interesting
lexicons: i thought it would just be like motion planning
lexicons: no combat
struct: if you wanna race solo you can always try https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/search-race
struct: It uses the same physics
struct: and the referee is public
lexicons: oh this is cool
lexicons: you can just feedforward it perfectly then
struct: yeah you can write the engine and then simulate
lexicons: it would be cool if it was traveling salesman
lexicons: oh wait it is lol
lexicons: they arent ordered right
struct: wdym?
lexicons: you can visit the checkpoints in any order
struct: no
struct: there is an order
lexicons: oh
lexicons: the win condition is You visit all checkpoints as given by inputs before the time is out!
struct: But it could be interesting if you had to find the best path
lexicons: yeah thats what im thinking
struct: That part of the statement makes it seem like it yeah
struct: but it is not :/
lexicons: so you have to go 0 -> 1 -> 2 ?
struct: yes
struct: for N laps
lexicons: hm ok
struct: the multiplayer one is more interesting but also harder
lexicons: ill try to solve the base case with the car first
lexicons: and use something based on that for the racing pod
struct: you can always check this source for sim and search if you want
struct: http://files.magusgeek.com/csb/csb_en.html
struct: it might spoil a bit though
lexicons: im fine with vehicle kinematics ill work it out myself
struct: hf and gl
lexicons: thanks
BadBurger: in languages like kotlin, whats the guidelines on classes, inside or before main()?
struct: I would say before
BadBurger: yeah i feel the same way
Wontonimo: hey, what's poppin' ?
struct: hi Wontonimo
struct: not much just remaking my mcts so it works with ataxx
Wontonimo: i've been working on minesweeper
C26_1: can I ask something
Wontonimo: no. sorry, we've canceled all questions
C26_1: ok
Wontonimo: just ask. don't ask to ask
C26_1: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3e677f83-5537-47aa-b0f4-94ef8ea301c7
C26_1: That code is related to this puzzle
C26_1: Statement: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0cb828ac-01e1-44c0-be74-08111ec8c341
C26_1: For additional information: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/95749be3-a506-4d0b-a5df-0bbd03930020
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: we are waiting for Buzzle to be approved
Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker: the french delegation has decline to moderate it, because they want the xp no matter what
Strong_Dog: is this discord
Wontonimo: have you seen discord before?
Wontonimo: nah man, this ain't no discord
Sim_1337: LOL
Timegoeswell: hi？
Wontonimo: yo
Rebollo: is that a way/hack/tip to increase the output limit here in CG?
Wontonimo: use less data. try compressing it
Rebollo: The limit is not about the rows?
Rebollo: but the number of chars?
Rebollo: I am trying to print a complete tree
Wontonimo: idk
Rebollo: what?
Rebollo: sorry what is idk?
Rebollo: Guys the most epowerfull language is c++?
Rebollo: Lets say I want to create a Data Base
Rebollo: or a Operational system
Rebollo: Or a ERP
Rebollo: is there any other laguage capable to do such?
Wontonimo: yes
Rebollo: Are you sleepy Won?
Better take a rest..
BZIClaw: Hi
Bari: Hello
Lambert_W_Function: whats up
koiee: yeah me too, but as an not active user here
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