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Default avatar.png dmuraco: yooooo

Blokops: heu

Blokops: hey

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: do you mean the angle coming off the checkpoint in respect to the pod?

Blokops: like instead of 334 give -26

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: the pod angle goes +180 clockwise and - 180 to counter-clockwise with respect to the front of the pod, how are you calculating that 334?

Blokops: angle = math.atan2(next_checkpoint_y_1 - y1, next_checkpoint_x_1 - x1)

   newAngle = (math.degrees(angle) - angle1)%360

Wontonimo: if (angle > 180) angle = 360 - angle

Wontonimo: oops , that's not right

Wontonimo: if (angle > 180) angle = angle - 360

Blokops: yup that did it

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: wintonimo is right

Blokops: was trying to find when the y was lower than the ship y, if the flip

Blokops: i guess i was overcomplociating

Blokops: but at least i got the distance form ship to check by accident

Default avatar.png dmuraco: facts he right

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: are you trying to calculate an offset to correct drifting trajectory?

Blokops: if angle >90 speed = 0

Blokops: it took me this far

Blokops: no idea why the took it away in gold

Wontonimo: hey Blokops, you may find micro tests really help for these kinds of things. Here is an example SO response that uses inline micro tests well https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64974829/search-not-working-for-river-crossing-problem-in-python/64993148#64993148

Wontonimo: it would have really helped with making your angle calculator and verified that it worked as expected

Blokops: sort of like building it in parts

Wontonimo: +1

Wontonimo: the brilliant thing about these kinds of micro tests being inline with your code is that they run once when your program starts up to verify right away if everything is as you expect. No sifting through replays or logging output

Wontonimo: or trying to get that one tricky situation to be recreated in a playback

Blokops: gold league is full of dead programs

Wontonimo: yes, it sure is

Wontonimo: you can get well ahead in gold just by un-deading your bot

Blokops: next step is to make one of the pod crash with the competition

Wontonimo: and for that i'd suggest,

Wontonimo: if the opponents lead is going for an even numbered checkpoint, then move to intercept and ram. else, rush ahead to the next even checkpoint to get ahead of them

Wontonimo: otherwise, you'll just follow behind them constantly

Wontonimo: also, camping is a good strategy as well as detecting an upcoming collision and using shields

Wontonimo: 20 fake internet points for the first person to say what "Tron" stands for

Blokops: wasn't tron a antivirus

Blokops: tool or device

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: Google says The Real-time Operating system Nucleus

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: But all i could think of was the movie

Wontonimo: tron = Trace On. its an assembly debugging command

Wontonimo: sorry, BASIC not assembly

Wontonimo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_command#:~:text=TRON%20is%20a%20debugging%20command,BASIC%20GOTO%20and%20GOSUB%20statements.

Wontonimo: 4 fake points to Blokops for identifying it is a tool. 3 fake points to OverInstitutionalizedApe for the movie reference

Wontonimo: :-D

Wontonimo: anyway ...

Wontonimo: that randomness is over

Wontonimo: and its late

tridang2k9: hello guy ;-;

Wontonimo: have a good night everyone

tridang2k9: I'am new player

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: good night Wontonimo

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: hi tridang2k9

tridang2k9: Where you from?

Default avatar.png OverInstitutionalizedApe: space

tridang2k9: :))

Default avatar.png ionKOT: :((

Husoski: Is there a moderator in the house?

jacek: happy Caturday

struct: hi

python-kitten: hi

Uljahn: hi

hashluk: Does CodinGame have no third-party ads?

struct: yeap, no ads

Killuaa: hi

Killuaa: hi

Killuaa: hello

Default avatar.png fadlll: hi Killuaa

jacek: Automaton2000 how the world can be real if our eyes aren't real?

Default avatar.png Automaton2000: well i know what you mean by that?

LelouchVC2: imagine

Blabbage: Would anyone care to comment on my WIP contribution before i make it non-WIP. Would like some more eyes to look at it: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/8002ea73cdd5181a43df0d92f716b186209e

Blabbage: Especially regarding the reverse, is it too hard?

Default avatar.png Mc-Cheng: yes

Default avatar.png SmokerD: *=

ScienceGuy66: lol

ScienceGuy66: how to invert a binary tree

ScienceGuy66: :joy:

5DN1L: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+invert+a+binary+tree

Mortis_666: wow

Mortis_666: cool

Wontonimo: I commented on your WIP Blabbage. Nice write up

Blabbage: Thx

Wontonimo: I always find reverse hard

Wontonimo: oh, in the output you have the text "distance" ... what about French ?

Wontonimo: The word "distance" in the output really helps with reverse mode

Wontonimo: :+1:

Blabbage: Yeah, i recently changed to make reverse better

Blabbage: So distance in output and only 3 types of emergencies

Blabbage: either "Alarm", "Emergency", or "Priority"

Blabbage: But as you write in your comment, you can disregard the words, I made this for the shortest mode

Wontonimo: i've been thinking about adding extra flavour text to the input to help also. Things like hints that are not needed to solve the problem but provide clues to the programmer if they are stuck. Seems like you where thinking along the same lines

Wontonimo: but for output

Wontonimo: cool

Blabbage: Yeah, I also love when the progression of the inputs helps you out

Wontonimo: I think this will be challenging for C/C#/C++ having an unequal number of elements per line of alarm

Wontonimo: maybe i'm too noob in those to know of a simple split command

Blabbage: ok, didn't think about that, I thought it should be no prob in C# though

Default avatar.png DSG_prozkillz: hey

Blabbage: dealing with arbitrary length input in one line was to complicate the shortest mode

Default avatar.png DSG_prozkillz: is there anyone with high authority here?

Blabbage: I have very limited C/C++ knowledge

Blabbage: But I will look into it

Wontonimo: there is the cin call to read in white space separated tokens and do automatic conversion to primitive data types.

Wontonimo: that works great when you know ahead of time how many tokens there are per line

Wontonimo: anyone here know an easy way to process variable number of tokens per line in C / C++ ?

Blabbage: ok... I think I should change it then...

Wontonimo: not so fast, I'm no C/C++ expert

Blabbage: :)

Wontonimo: maybe there is a quick and easy way

Blabbage: saw this: char * strtok ( char * str, const char * delimiters );

BlaiseEbuth: Quick and easy way for ?

Blabbage: Split an input string by e.g. space

BlaiseEbuth: a stringstream

Blabbage: like "1 2 3", however the length can be arbitrary

Blabbage: So e.g. "1 2 3" but sometimes "1 2"

BlaiseEbuth: Something like that Blabbage https://tech.io/snippet/ID9At4m

Blabbage: Works

Blabbage: nice, the reason for asking is my contribution: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/8002ea73cdd5181a43df0d92f716b186209e

I would like it to be friendly to other languages than the ones I know. My knowledge in C/C++ is very limited

Default avatar.png Max94: hey

Blabbage: So having an optional element to the input seems reasonable in C++ as well

jacek: nothing is friendly in c++ :v

struct: what about friend?

Wontonimo: you are my friend struct

jacek: can structs be friend?

BlaiseEbuth: Why not?

Blabbage: Turns out something is friendly in c++ afterall

Wontonimo: :tada:

Wontonimo: send it to the presses Blabbage !

Blabbage: Will do :)

Wontonimo: sophie2222 has been back at the zoom chat spam :unamused:

Wontonimo: banned that user again last night

5DN1L: spammed also in a clash chatroom a few hours ago

RaymondPang: hihi, i am playing abalone game

jacek: :+1:

RaymondPang: for debuging, i keep using white side

RaymondPang: may i know how can i switch to use black colour for debuging?

jacek: under ide, you can delete players

jacek: then choose others

RaymondPang: i see. thank.s

jacek: nice rank so far. is it soms search algorithm?

Rebollo: Hello Guys

Rebollo: Is it possible to select mutiple words

Rebollo: in IDE

Rebollo: or define mutiple cursor positions

struct: alt mouse click

Rebollo: thanks

struct: select var then ctrl + d

struct: to selet all

struct: ah wai

struct: ctrl + d is next one

Rebollo: amazing thanks again

Rebollo: save some time for sure

struct: if you want to replace all same words

struct: you can use ctrl + g

struct: h*

struct: ctrl + h

Rebollo: cool thanks

jacek: or use local ide and just copy paste code

Default avatar.png misery: how to auto arrange my code so it doesnt look aids

Default avatar.png BNarain: Hi everyone

Josdel: hello guys

Josdel: all fine?

Default avatar.png gshek18: 😫

Wontonimo: RaymondPang is being tight lipped about rank jacek :thinking:

5DN1L: or maybe it's just time for him to sleep :shrug:

5DN1L: he's still online though, it seems

Wontonimo: RaymondPang , are you alive? Are you okay? Should we send Dwayne Johnson to rescue you?

5DN1L: :rolling_eyes:

Default avatar.png _thanasis_tsl_: κάτσε το site ελληνικό ειναι

Default avatar.png _thanasis_tsl_: ???

struct: write english on this chat

Astrobytes: Όχι. Μιλήστε αγγλικά παρακαλώ.

Astrobytes: (no. speak english please)

struct: wht language is this?

Astrobytes: Greek

MSmits: I only speak Geek

Astrobytes: heh heh

jacek: :nerd:

MSmits: sup

MSmits: I've been a bit too busy for CG is why i am not around much btw

MSmits: covid giving me lots of extra work

struct: im still waiting for your NN

MSmits: so am I :)

Astrobytes: so is Smits

Astrobytes: lol dammit

MSmits: indeed

MSmits: well at least I have a ridiculous amount of data to train on.

MSmits: from having a meta mcts running for weeks

MSmits: I plan a test and half my students are home with covid or quarantine

jacek: youll solve the game sooner than youll get NN working

jacek: at this point it wont matter

jacek: except for compressing into CG limit

MSmits: it's not really solvable the way i am going about it though

MSmits: if i used the endgame book program and rented some cpu, i could solve it

struct: hmm

MSmits: but i stopped at 36 and instead went at it from the other direction (starting at starting board)

MSmits: that wont solve it because of loops

struct: how many seeds is it in total?

MSmits: 48

struct: how long did 36 take you?

MSmits: 3 weeks, but it is very exponential. The last 2 seeds is like 80% of that time

MSmits: 60 GB of storage for the 36 seed states

struct: ok, this would get expensive really fast

MSmits: 36 seed book is nearly 15 GB, 35 seed is 11 GB

MSmits: i mean just the 36 seed states

MSmits: total book is 60 GB so far

MSmits: 37 would be over 20 GB

MSmits: but the main probably is I need to hold a lot of it in RAM during solving

MSmits: main problem

struct: just get a 512 GB ram server

MSmits: I *only* have 32 GB ram

MSmits: I could use HD space, but that is so slow, it would be half a year to just do 37 seeds

MSmits: some French mathematician solved it I think

MSmits: In practice I can pretty reasonably say I know what lines of play lead to a draw and be pretty certain the opening move 5 leads to draw

struct: damn there are machines with 3TB of ram

struct: o.o

MSmits: nice :)

struct: I wonder what uses so much ram

MSmits: what i do now i use the meta mcts lines of play to select states from the endgame book. I can easily get millions of those and train on them. The work is mostly in getting a bot working that uses it. To make it easy for myself I should try to adapt marchetes work

struct: im going to try to learn it again

struct: only way to progress on bt

MSmits: learn nn in general or the azero system marchete shared?

struct: nn in general

MSmits: ah ok, i think i have to basics on that. Just havent used it for anything in CG

MSmits: dont know the azero system very well though

MSmits: just the idea of it

MSmits: lucky submit, got past recurse :)

MSmits: this is just my plain old bot with a early game opening book

MSmits: (>= 37 seeds)

jacek: recurse now seems just low level boos

jacek: boss even

MSmits: yeah, seems to be, but his bot is still miles ahead of anyone not a NN

MSmits: like +5 rating

MSmits: this leaderboard is starting to be like csb (mad pod racing), where at the top every few ranks it's a totally new league

jacek: and every top is nn

MSmits: almost, yes, i got into top 10 now though :P

MSmits: once i convert my bot, dark horse has the honor of being the best non-nn on the board

jacek: dark horse? you meant darkhorse64 ?

MSmits: yes sure, ping him why not :)

darkhorse64: best old school bot, :fireworks:

MSmits: indeed

MSmits: I wonder if tric and yurko are still old school

MSmits: if they aren't, then their bots are only a little better than before, or the submits shifted them

jacek: astro seems also old school

MSmits: yeah I think so. He has a very strong bot. I think he spent an uncharacteristically long time on this one

MSmits: tweaking it

MSmits: Before when there were only 3 NN's, we spend weeks discussing eval and such, trying to beat you guys

MSmits: spent

jacek: but everything changed when the fire nation attacked

MSmits: is that what Marchete is called now?

jacek: maybe

Astrobytes: I could still rewrite that Oware bot but it's a lot of work

jacek: :upside_down:

Default avatar.png Kitucho: hi

Default avatar.png skynightvn: hello

Katespizer: hi

jacek: good evening

IanRaa: hi

IanRaa: anyone could help me here

IanRaa: regarding Mad Pod Racing

IanRaa: should be simple one, but I don't get it how to find out coordinates for x, y

5DN1L: What kind of help do you need?

jacek: just ask the question ~

IanRaa: I see position of target 1

IanRaa: but how should I know where it is on the screen

e_fishel: does coc give xp?

5DN1L: coc don't give xp; associated achievements do

IanRaa: I mean if pod is to move towards target one for the beginning

IanRaa: I need to determine it's x,y position

IanRaa: guess like pixels position of the screen

jacek: click on the gear icon under the screen and turn debug on

IanRaa: ok

MACKEYTH: I need some tips for 9x9 Atari Go.

MACKEYTH: I've got a depth 2 minimax algorithm set up. It can beat the Wood 4 boss sometimes, but not consistently

jacek: do you know flood fill algorithm

jacek: oh

jacek: what is your eval

jacek: i use simple my_score - his_score

MACKEYTH: Me too.

darkhorse64: Only through achievements and quest map

darkhorse64: oops scroll

jacek: and i get 3-4 plies in the beginning

MACKEYTH: I was thinking about adding a heuristic involving free fields around enemy groups for simulations with no captures

MACKEYTH: I'm not good with minimax. Uncertain to apply it to more than 2 plies, or how to prune.

jacek: pure minimax or alphabeta?

MACKEYTH: Wikipedia article was a bit opaque for me.

MACKEYTH: pure minimax for right now. I couldn't figure out a good pruning heuristic

jacek: alphabeta is universal, it prunes a lot without any heuristic. it just prunes more with good move ordering

jacek: but in go, for about 20 first turns, i completely ignore edges moves

MACKEYTH: I haven't incorporated any traditional starting strategy.

Astrobytes: alpha and beta are dynamic score bounds, anything outside the range of alpha-beta can be pruned (essentially)

MACKEYTH: I think I read somewhere that creating groups around the dots being a strong opening.

MACKEYTH: My bot just makes random moves until it detects possible captures

MACKEYTH: My first attempt was a MCTS, but it was only getting single-digit rollouts.

MACKEYTH: Calculating all legal moves for a given board state is pretty time consuming

jacek: go in CG constraints is very consuming

jacek: UTTT is better for mcts training

jacek: but if already know minimax, alphabeta is next step to learn

Astrobytes: ^

MACKEYTH: I read the wikipedia article on alpha-beta, but didn't really get it

MACKEYTH: Know of a more beginner-friendly resource?

Wontonimo: hey MSmits , did i read that correctly that you have a NN bot out there ?

Rebollo: guys is is possible to use some kind of EVAL in c++? Lets say I want to check which side to go and then execute object->left, object->right and so on

Wontonimo: MACKEYTH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-hh51ncgDI

Rebollo: I don´t want to do like

Astrobytes: MACKEYTH: https://homepages.cwi.nl/~paulk/theses/Carolus.pdf

Rebollo: if side == LEFT object->left

MACKEYTH: Thx Wontonimo

MACKEYTH: & Astrobytes

Rebollo: just do like object-> + "left"

jacek: chess programming wiki is quite resourceful

Wontonimo: before doing alpha-beta, implement negamax.

Astrobytes: Rebollo: int dx[LEFT] = -1

jacek: MACKEYTH on the other hand, is your minimax bug-free? i think depth2 minimax with score eval should be enough

jacek: to beat wood4

Astrobytes: eg. int dx[4] = { 0, 1, 0, -1}

Wontonimo: it's like minimax, except just max and every other move is *-1 value

Astrobytes: int dy[4] = { -1, 0, 1, 0}

MACKEYTH: Seems to be /relatively/ bug free. Doesn't time out or make illegal moves, at least

Astrobytes: enum Direction : int { UP, RIGHT, DOWN, LEFT }

Astrobytes: Rebollo: does that help?

Rebollo: for sure..I am just trying to full understand

MACKEYTH: I found a really dumb bug last night where it was trying to evaluate moves without actually playing the stone it was simulating

Wontonimo: do you have unit tests for the algo MACKEYTH? for example my UTTT bot is 550 lines of code where as I also have 650 lines of unit test to make sure it does exactly the right thing

Rebollo: I know it is simple, but for e nothing is simple

MACKEYTH: I'm not familiar with unit tests

jacek: unit tests are for weaklings

jacek: test on production on friday like CG

Astrobytes: Rebollo: dx and dy arrays are the offsets to go up right down or left. The Direction enum starts from 0 ands at 3; use the enum to key into dx and dy, add these values to your current x,y position

Astrobytes: *and ends

Wontonimo: lol jacek !

Wontonimo: i'll dm you some resources MACKEYTH

MACKEYTH: Thanks!

Rebollo: Would you mid give a full sample just one set of rows?

Rebollo: sorry

BlaiseEbuth: dx and dx are on a boat...

Default avatar.png Ceekay77: lol jacek

Rebollo: bo problem i will understand first and do that

Rebollo: I kind of undertood

Rebollo: but

Rebollo: The ideia is clear

Astrobytes: I'll DM you in a minute Rebollo

Default avatar.png devkant: HELLO WORLD!

Default avatar.png Ceekay77: SEGV

Default avatar.png chuegue: Segmentation fault: core dumped

Astrobytes: Rebollo: I sent you some examples

Default avatar.png Aaronnotsharon: does anyone know how to read from the next line of a string? I'm working on the ASCII Art puzzle and I am just outputing the first line over and over but it needs to read from a specific point in the first line and then go to the second line and read from a specific point from there.

Default avatar.png Ceekay77: which language?

Default avatar.png Aaronnotsharon: c++

Wontonimo: put it first into an array

Wontonimo: then access the array

Default avatar.png Ceekay77: Im sure there is an stl way. Im a C guy so id use strchr

Wontonimo: which ascii art puzzle specifically?

Default avatar.png Ceekay77: strchr for '\n' eill get you the pointer to the next line

Default avatar.png Aaronnotsharon: it just says ASCII Art as the title. its in the easy catagory... I don't see an author for it or anything..

Default avatar.png Aaronnotsharon: and thanks guys, I will look both those ways up.

Default avatar.png Aaronnotsharon: Yea it's in the "CLASSIC PUZZLE - EASY" catagory and its name is ASCII Art

Wontonimo: AH

Wontonimo: got it

Wontonimo: yeah, make a 2d array or char and then "paint" the values into it

Wontonimo: after all the chars have been painted, the print

Wontonimo: *then print

Wontonimo: so many typos ... yeah, make a 2d array OF char and then "paint" the values into it

Wontonimo: gotta go ... see ya later

UaNalyvajko: @TKirishima this time i'm higher!:sweat_smile:

jacek: more weed?

Astrobytes: lol

UaNalyvajko: :sweat_smile:

TKirishima: Didn't noticed it was Shortest. I thought it was Speed.

UaNalyvajko: Man, who cares)))

UaNalyvajko: thing's im higher :upside_down:

jacek: and you used java/c# on shortest?

TKirishima: Python

UaNalyvajko: i used typescript)))))))))

ninjadip: Wontonimo how do i get the constraints or rules from the patches of the prototype?

Default avatar.png dunky_: d

Default avatar.png dunky_: sd

Default avatar.png dunky_: f

Default avatar.png dunky_: sdf

ninjadip: stop

5DN1L: dunky_ don't spam

ninjadip: i may be totally off, but i do use the center of the 3x3 patch to base adjancy constraints

Blokops: alright lets see if i can break Automaton2000

Default avatar.png Automaton2000: i think it's a good practice

Blokops: Automaton2000 !"#$%&'()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~

Default avatar.png Automaton2000: i played a bit of a mess

Blokops: dang

ninjadip: Automaton2000 initiate self-destruct

Default avatar.png Automaton2000: had no idea about how to use it for my own game

Blokops: Automaton2000 ç̴̩̲͈̼̯̻̗̼͈̠̀́͊̀̈́͜ẗ̴̢̢͔̞͉̩̩̙̪͚́̇̅̂̃͊̍̊̄̀̐͝͝ṟ̵̨̛͛̑́͠ͅl̶̩̹̫̿̈́̓̓͊̕͝ ̶͕̺͕̥͕͇̘̚a̵̰̤̅̎́̔̈̈̀̎̒̕͝l̸̡̙̩̼͉̪̻̹̗̪̭̻̄͂͆̂́̓̋̃̾̿͂͠͝t̷̛̜̞͓̳̱̜̟̼̜́̓́̾̈́̓͠ ̴̢̨̻͓͍͍̤̺̦̗͍̝̓͌̈́̓͜d̵̗͖̦͍͔͛̒̈́̈́͑͐̉̀͂͘͜͝e̵̦͇͍̪͆̂͒͐l̷̨̨̫̟̠̭̱̝̊͐̏̅̍̌͑̍͗̇̃̈̉̉͜͝ͅe̸̦̹͋͂̂̏̒͒͋̚͝ẗ̵̤͓͙̻͉̝͖̠͌̋̋̾̎͐̈́̄̚͝͝͝͝͠e̶̦͍͖̰͙̜̪̼̝̮͔͍̐̅͋̂̽̉̈̂͠

Default avatar.png Automaton2000: now i need to read and understand

ninjadip: whoah!!! that's swee

ninjadip: t

Blokops: zargo text ~ ~ ~

Blokops: zalgo*

ninjadip: how do u do that

ninjadip: i don't have the any key

Blokops: https://lingojam.com/ZalgoText

Blokops: Is fun seeing how many systme you can break with that text

ninjadip: it's wild

Blokops: most databases cant handle that text so it throws a bunch of error

Astrobytes: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤

Astrobytes:


Astrobytes: < more Unicode fun

Blokops: i dont get it

Blokops: wow

Blokops: .

Blokops: .

Blokops: dude you broke chat

Astrobytes: nah it stops

Blokops: i gotta know how did you do it

Astrobytes: just copy my first post

Astrobytes: and use sparingly :P

ninjadip: insane-o

ninjadip: oh no!

ninjadip: it's a virus

Astrobytes: lol

Astrobytes: it does stop eventually

ninjadip: it's got all of us....woe the web we weave

ninjadip: oh it's done :)

Astrobytes: there. Nice clean chat again :P

ninjadip: oh those clean chat rooms are the worst

Astrobytes: lol

ASM_MOV_INT: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤

ASM_MOV_INT: lol

ninjadip: nooo

ASM_MOV_INT: what did I do?

ASM_MOV_INT: copy paste that's it i swear

ASM_MOV_INT: a

ninjadip: way to go Sam, dropping them eaves

ASM_MOV_INT: b

ASM_MOV_INT: c

ASM_MOV_INT: d

Astrobytes:


Astrobytes:


Astrobytes:


ASM_MOV_INT: i have err messages using up some lines of ... whatever it is lol

Astrobytes: Oh cool, there's a spamming message now

ASM_MOV_INT: there it's done

Astrobytes: Now don't abuse this unicode trick, deploy with caution please.

Astrobytes: works best when chat is busy so it's over and done with quick;ly

Astrobytes: *quickly

ASM_MOV_INT: what unicode # is that? and... why does it do that? rofl

ninjadip: yeah, here's this ring that's super cool, but don't put it on or tell anyone about it

Astrobytes: hehehe

Blokops: fun fact theres a worst version of it

Blokops: much much worst

Astrobytes: Don't :rofl:

ASM_MOV_INT: i get into so much trouble looking at past posts of chat sometimes....

ninjadip: is it really worst or worse

Blokops: 1000% worst

ninjadip: lol

Blokops: like clip outside chat worst

ninjadip: like going through space

Josdel: hey guys

Josdel: i'm cuck

Josdel: :(

Blokops: hi cuck im blokops how can i help you

ninjadip: like what you said + "old" ?

Blokops: ?

ninjadip: cuckold

ninjadip: or maybe he meant chuck

Blokops: i think he meant stuck

Astrobytes: yeah I'm gonna nip this convo in the bud now before it gets worse

Astrobytes: keep it relatively clean people

ninjadip: i think it's getting better by it's own accord, have some faith

ninjadip: by its own momentum is probably better

Astrobytes: I'm an ex-mod, I have 0 faith :D

Blokops: didnt you post that unicode first

Astrobytes: Yes :D

ninjadip: when the river runs red just take the dirt road

ninjadip: yeah i think he did, then turned us in for messing up

Astrobytes: But getting into NSFW territory is a step too far

Blokops: is the same principle as the panama river

Astrobytes: lol not at all

Astrobytes: @ninjadip

Blokops: okey lets take it back to programing

ninjadip: i can't really say that that cryptic message means here in this clean room

Blokops: php ama right guys?

Astrobytes: at least unicode tricks are related ;)

ninjadip: more hacker than coder

Astrobytes: troll-ish

ninjadip: yes, unicode is

Blokops: whats words but a unicode aranged

Astrobytes: hehe

Blokops: all this started bcasue of Automaton8000 fault

Astrobytes: the other Automaton (NN not 2000) used to use that unicode thing I did now and then

ninjadip: terrible power

Astrobytes: it did that and pinged eulerscheZah l frequently

Astrobytes: anyway, see ya all later

Blokops: okey change of topic, yesterday did anyone if you post a link related to madpod racing

Blokops: soemthing about how to follow a player

Astrobytes: runners and blockers?

Astrobytes: as in 1 pod is a runner (trying to get to next CP) and the other is blocking the opponent runner pod?

Blokops: found it

Blokops: https://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/series/understanding-steering-behaviors--gamedev-12732

Astrobytes: yeah, Scarfield posted it I think. That's a nice way to start with it, I got to high gold using steering behaviours, after that I took the sim + GA route

Blokops: im using PID but is not enough

Astrobytes: I thiiink it's possible using PID too, what league+position are you in?

Blokops: gold 1,245

Blokops: use to be 400 but the rng is not kind today

Astrobytes: nice, yeah it's kinda like that. If you're having no luck with your PID, try out some steering behaviours

Astrobytes: You can get to legend without sim + search but most likely not too high

Astrobytes: anyways, cya later, gotta run

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: I feel honored when they ask me to prove I'm not a bot before racing my pod...I shouldn't because I am very far down on the leader board lol

ninjadip: lol

ninjadip: who is asking you that

ninjadip: what league are you in

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: CodinGame...bronze...i'm making negative progress

ninjadip: wow no one talked to me ever in it

ninjadip: and i got to gold and stopped playing

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: It's because i'm doing a super quick change without testing in the IDE and sending back to the arena

ninjadip: need to implement seek and annoy for jet #2 and win with jet #1 lol

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: so the website thinks i'm a bot

ninjadip: oh no, it just wants you to chill out

ninjadip: i did that by accident on first

ninjadip: need to test more with the bot in your IDE before submitting to the arena after every little change

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Yeah they don't mean it in a good way at all. I'm just taking it as a compliment

ninjadip: it just happens whenever you submit too much to the arena within a timeframe

ninjadip: nothing to do with rank going up

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: My IDE often doesn't actually show the bot running though so I make a change and then want to see its effect

ninjadip: solving that involved enabling cookies for me

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Oh. Thanks. I'll try that

ninjadip: and once in a while that still happens, i refresh the page and it works again

Astrobytes: there's also a constraint on number of IDE plays, it's a bit grim when you're adjusting parameters

Astrobytes: +1 on refresh btw, the viewer crashes now and then and a refresh fixes it

ninjadip: i can't for this mofo wave function to collapse

ninjadip: so mad at it

ninjadip: have to make some hot tea to chill out. sounds crazy

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: i thought you got it yesterday ninja

ninjadip: i got test 1 and test 3 and test4 or something

ninjadip: and i thought i was on it

ninjadip: i talked to the creator today, Wontonimo, and was told that i was off track

Blokops: what problem are you doing?

ninjadip: but getting lucky lol

ninjadip: so rewriting some of it now, i think i now how to finish it

ninjadip: just time to write the code

ninjadip: wave function collapse

ninjadip: going to search more by pattern constraints than anything else

Blabbage: ninjadip: ask if you need hints, I might be able to help

Blabbage: I struggled for many hours...

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Is the boss you play in the IDE the same as the one you play in the arena? I am beating it in my IDE but getting crushed by others in the arena

Blokops: yes is the same

Blokops: below next to the portrait of the boss there a delete button, click it and the choose the top 1 player

Astrobytes: Yep, same boss. It's the players you really need to beat, 50%+ winrate against the boss plus high winrate against the rest of the league should do it

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: got it! Thanks

Astrobytes: identify who you're losing against the most and watch replays to understand why, adjust bot to taste

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: "adjust bot to taste" :grinning:

Astrobytes: ;)

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: I like my bots speedy and curvy!

Astrobytes: lol, sounds about right

ninjadip: Blabbage thanks, just got back to console. i think i got it, just time to code

ninjadip: well at least i got a direction now i mean

ninjadip: just taking a break

Wontonimo: hey ninjadip , WFC is marked as "hard". really, it's hard. I've been plugging away at it very part time for years.

ninjadip: don't discourage me

ninjadip: i'm on a good track here

Wontonimo: oh, no, ii meant it as encouragement!!! you've made a way more progress than I made in the same time !!

Blabbage: Nice, it's worth it though, so satisfying filling out the blanks ;)

ninjadip: doing like you said, i am changing my output/working grid from char to string, going to make it hold the possibilities

ninjadip: i am so close

ninjadip: so i got two classes that are working pretty good together

ninjadip: with the patch class being able to do it's own testing of any other patch passed to it makes it very efficient code in the other loops

ninjadip: currently writing the constrain code

ninjadip: i had to watch that youtube video again, makes even more sense after grasping the problem but failing. if that makes sense to anyone

Blabbage: yes, same for me, it's easier to understand when you've already gotten dirty with the details

ninjadip: yeah, that's what i always tell people when i'm training them at work, or used to train them

ninjadip: watch me, try it, usually fail, now *really* watch me, and then they watch better that second time lol

ninjadip: oh, got to love some hot tea, all my problems are almost gone

ninjadip: alcohol for the rest

Astrobytes: what kind of tea though

Blabbage: long island?

Astrobytes: heh heh

ninjadip: i've always been partial to earl grey, but sometimes i like the english or irish breakfast. but always black tea

ninjadip: lol

Astrobytes: earl grey and lady grey are both nice. Other than those I go for herbals

ninjadip: one time i served a woman a long island iced tea, and spit out the first sip, and i had to explain that not only was it an alocholic drink, she had no idea, that it was almost all alcohol

Astrobytes: :rofl:

ninjadip: she just thought long island ice tea sounded like a cooler regular tea

ninjadip: lol

Blabbage: it's soo elusive, it's strong but doesn't taste nearly as strong as it is

Astrobytes: That's the beauty of a well made long island iced tea ;)

ninjadip: i think anyone will know that there's alcohol in it

Astrobytes: *should know*

ninjadip: both

Astrobytes: hehehe

ninjadip: man eff this Wontonimo

ninjadip: i'm getting nowhere lol

Blokops: help i have 12 hours worth of reading to do in 24 hours

Blokops: is more like 3 hours but with my adhd is 12

ninjadip: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/421a5a0a-3747-4334-93ad-0788c75bca11

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Okay. I'm a teacher. Now we're in my area of expertise! Do you need to be able to do things with the reading or talk about it Blokops?

Blokops: there will be a quiz

ninjadip: always study for the quiz

ninjadip: primarily

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: What subject?

Blokops: but im really not best at thing that things you call "reading"

Blokops: Software Arquitecture and Design

ninjadip: i mean study for the quiz by focusing on the right sections. but discerning what is important...

Blokops: Or S.A.D for short

ninjadip: first thing first is know that there isn't a q in architecture

Blokops: im a engenirer not a writter

ninjadip: i'm studying myself to be a software engineer

Blokops: cool beans, beware the filter classes

Blokops: they are the worst

ninjadip: i might be in the class you are in now

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: So the reading is on S.A.D.?

Blokops: yes

Blokops: need to read chap 1 and 2 also i need to watch 2 hours worth of videos and read again for other class

Blokops: and make another assigment

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Are there a lot of examples of software that follows the principles they talk about?

Blokops: and make an essay

Default avatar.png 5922: Well, what are you doing on here? @_@

Blokops: is 100% theory

Blokops: 0 coding

ninjadip: ah no it's called operating platforms, but we are learning a lot of architecture

ninjadip: i usually just skim the chapters

ninjadip: is it on scrum and agile?

Blokops: sigh well back to work i guess

Blokops: you guys better not have fun while im out

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: If you are writing an essay on architecture I can guarantee you they don't care about writing quality...understand the software principles by looking at the example and make notes on what you find interesting, then write your essay on that...i guess we are not in my area of expertise though haha

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Stabalizing around rank 8 on mad pod racing

ninjadip: did u do any drift counter steer yet

ninjadip: that's when that thing flys

ninjadip: flies

Blokops: pasting a quote from the book seems relevant

Blokops: "Good judgment is usually the result of experience. And experience is frequently the result of bad judgment. But to learn from the experience of others requires those who have the experience to share the knowledge with those who follow."

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: jeez that's terrible writing

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: well *that* won't be on the quiz and is not worth writing about

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Oh I'm 5th and the boss is 4th!

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: So close!

Astrobytes: yes, adjust so you drift nicely into the checkpoint and life will be smoother

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: just dropped WAY down

Astrobytes: what league you in?

Default avatar.png p.p.o.p.: Bronze, nothing to brag about

Astrobytes: ok, best advice for bronze -> gold is keep it simple

ASM_MOV_INT: so good judgment is frequently the result of bad judgment

ASM_MOV_INT: learning from results of previous bad judgment

ASM_MOV_INT: :innocent:

Default avatar.png Slyyyy: hello whats a good way to pick up on javascript

ASM_MOV_INT: I started clashing with it, and seem to have picked it up relatively quickly

Blokops: start with the simple stuff

ASM_MOV_INT: it's all i clash in now...

ASM_MOV_INT: w3schools also helps

Default avatar.png Slyyyy: ive been trying the clashs but get stuck sometimes

Blokops: the first step at being sort of good is being sort of bad

ASM_MOV_INT: that's normal

ASM_MOV_INT: rofl

ASM_MOV_INT: if I can't get it, I hope that others share their code.... sometimes the problems get stuck in my head, and wish I could see the original code solution

ASM_MOV_INT: :sunglasses: problems of a clash addict

ASM_MOV_INT: sometimes I think I want to learn python.... then I see some of the solutions in python, and think.... um, i'm good

ASM_MOV_INT: it's more syntax rules than I care to devote to memory

ASM_MOV_INT: if and when I need to learn it... I will

Blokops: it took me ages to learn about map and lambda

Astrobytes: you can always keep working on the problem ASM_MOV_INT

Astrobytes: look it up at https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/

Astrobytes: just try to remember something about the clash so you can find it again

ASM_MOV_INT: @astrobytes what is that? oh! that's .... awesomeness

ASM_MOV_INT: i'm going to have to try that

ASM_MOV_INT: ty

ninjadip: and i'm going to burn this wave function program to the ground

ASM_MOV_INT: wave function collapse is still wandering around my brain... waiting for me to turn it into some form of code soon

Astrobytes: ASM_MOV_INT: yeah it's a useful tool that

ASM_MOV_INT: especially for reverse lookups that no one solves! rofl

Astrobytes: also handy if you come across problematic ones that need reporting or downvoting, generally useful. Give props to euler whenever you see him

ASM_MOV_INT: oh sweet, it pulls the puzzle back into the IDE!!!! ty

ASM_MOV_INT: they should just link to the contribute view for every puzzle

Astrobytes: when you get to a certain level (And/or number of clashes for clashes) it does

ASM_MOV_INT: ah

Astrobytes: Useful if there is a problematic clash or puzzle. Abused by some but for the most part I think it's respected.

ninjadip: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/cf81d7e7-773f-43a8-9cf6-cdad8ac84610

Default avatar.png frez017: does anyone think that there is a problem with the game when clashing ? im sometimes 100% sure that my code is clean of errors and still the engine cant read my solution

Blokops: no

Blokops: do you get below 100%?

Blokops: sometimes is becasue you dont test all test cases

Default avatar.png frez017: it doesnt read the code when i test

Blokops: do you have a sample of said code?

Wontonimo: hey hey

Blokops: hey hey hey

Wontonimo: did you solve WFC ASM_MOV_INT ?

Blokops: me?

Wontonimo: no, ASM_MOV_INT

ASM_MOV_INT: no

Wontonimo: I'm starting to think it should be classified as 'very hard' :(

Wontonimo: 54% success rate so far, and that includes the contributors

ASM_MOV_INT: I just haven't tried it, I want to do it as a personal project, so loading it into my brain makes me want to go offline and try it in my personal programming...

Dorak: Just out of curiosity, is there a shortcut to the "Play All Test Cases" button?

Wontonimo: click the button ?

DaNinja: ctrl+shift+enter

Dorak: Thank you very much, Ninja.

ASM_MOV_INT: he meant to ask 'keyboard shortcut'

ASM_MOV_INT: rofl

Wontonimo: i'm allowed to be a troll and a mod at the same time right?

Wontonimo: in all seriousness, i didn't know there was a shortcut. leave it to our resident ninja to know how to execute things quickly

Wontonimo: ;)

DaNinja: ;)

DaNinja: Havent found a shortcut for Replay in Same Conditions yet

Wontonimo: *execution* is more your style anyway

struct: hi Wontonimo

struct: hi *everyone

Wontonimo: hey struct

struct: Wontonimo im going to attempt to learn NN's once again

Wontonimo: yeah!

struct: What should my first step be before trying?

Wontonimo: jacek's tutorial !

struct: anything you think its important?

struct: like math or something like that

Blokops: one sec i have some prof presentations that could help you

Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/59631/neural-network-xor-example-from-scratch-no-libs

struct: Wontonimo im full newbie to NNs

struct: I dont think I can understand that, maybe I can but

struct: seems like skiping steps

Wontonimo: okay, are you familiar with simulated annealing ?

Blokops: https://www.cs.utep.edu/ofuentes/cs4361/fall19/ffnn.pdf

Blokops: and

Blokops: https://www.cs.utep.edu/ofuentes/cs4361/fall19/CNN.pdf

struct: dont think so

struct: thanks Blokops Ill check it

Wontonimo: i think those will be a bit much blokops for a 1st intro

Blokops: do the first link first

struct: i also have the "nnfs" book that I bought a while back

Blokops: the first link has a good explanation

Wontonimo: are you familiar with GA struct?

struct: never tried it

struct: not going well :p

Blokops: maybe try to start from the begening

Wontonimo: okay, take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUPFOFbCeFI

Blokops: try k nearest nenigbord and move from there

Wontonimo: I like to first dispel some concepts around machine learning

Wontonimo: and i try to do so in that video.

Wontonimo: hopefully after seeing the code in action

Wontonimo: you'll see that starting with a plausable function but with the wrong parameters you can find the parameters through trial and error

struct: will watch

struct: watching rn*

Wontonimo: cool

Wontonimo: (and embarrassing)

Blokops: going to have to give up on mad pod racing for now

Blokops: rank 1,500 is good enouhg right?

Wontonimo: for what?

Wontonimo: good enough to show you are solid into gold? yeah!

Blokops: been going hard on this page because i have a interview in feb

Blokops: but im been stuck in the mad pod racing far to long

Blokops: need to learn other stuff

Wontonimo: i was "stuck" in it for about 3 months

Blokops: going to wait fro summer break after that will defeat you :point_right:

Wontonimo: struct, what do you think of the video?

struct: There are plenty of games to try

struct: good so far im only 8min in

Wontonimo: ah

struct: had to afk for a bit

Blokops: well now that im moving away from MPR

Blokops: any suggestions on what to do next

Blokops: something to teach me how to code better

Wontonimo: like what kind of algo do you want to try?

Wontonimo: do you want to learn minimax or MCTS ?

Blokops: whatever will help in a techncial interview

struct: ok so no AI

struct: I would do puzzles I think

struct: and even then there might be better places for this

Blokops: clash of code been a big help at lerning python better

Blokops: i can now free style rap python

Wontonimo: clash is probably the best for coding interview

struct: are interviews clash level?

Blokops: the first round will be 90 minutes to do 2 problems

Wontonimo: maybe try https://www.codingame.com/training/easy

Blokops: been doing those all month

struct: Blokops I would look for binarysearch site

struct: Lots of interview type questions there

Blokops: thanks again for the help with the water problem

Wontonimo: blub blub

Wontonimo: yeah, my pleasure :D

Wontonimo: do you practice coding without a proper editor and without google ?

Blokops: mostly here

Blokops: google i do use but mostly math stuff

Wontonimo: something that will make you stand out and look pro level is to be able to code without autocomplete, without googling stuff, and compiling once (maybe twice)

Wontonimo: so specifically practice that on easy coding problems like fizzbuzz

Wontonimo: count the number of compiles you need to solve the problem and work on reducing it to one or two

Blokops: reverse fizzbuzz?

Wontonimo: nobody does that kind of practice, and the only people who have those kind of skills are people who have coded every day professionally for decades. so you'll appear way more experienced than you are

Wontonimo: fizzbuzz is this problem https://leetcode.com/problems/fizz-buzz/

Wontonimo: but i don't mean fizzbuzz specifically. i mean problems like it. fairly simple interview questions

Blokops: seems easy enough, i bet i can solve it in one line

struct: sometimes problems can be tricky though

struct: they seem to have a simple solution but you need to take into account the complexity

Blokops: true true

Blokops: this seems more like a math problem

Blokops: done print([ [[i,"Fizz"][i%3==0],["Buzz","FizzBuzz"][i%3==0]][i%5==0] for i in range(1,n)])

Blokops: shortest mode has thought me well

struct: yeah

struct: just dont do that in the interview

struct: :p

Blokops: also the complexity is absolutely shit

Wontonimo: lol love your solution

QuickMathzs: when?

mrswagger21: @quickmathzs

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: when?

mrswagger21: when did I ask

TryhardestIsBad: ong

QuickMathzs: @mrswagger21

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: OMG

TryhardestIsBad: lowkey

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: ong bro

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: dap me up

TryhardestIsBad: deadass

mrswagger21: dap me up

TryhardestIsBad: ong

TryhardestIsBad: gg

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: lowkey frrrrrrrr

QuickMathzs: ONG BRUH NO CAP

TryhardestIsBad: sHEEESH

mrswagger21: ily m8s

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: SHEEEEEEEEDH

Blokops: what going on

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: AMONUGS

QuickMathzs: straight fax lowkeyyy tbh :sunglasses:

TryhardestIsBad: ONG

mrswagger21: amogus sus amirite

TryhardestIsBad: STRAIGHT FAX

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: lowkye when tho

TryhardestIsBad: LOWKEY

TryhardestIsBad: NO CAP

QuickMathzs: me whne amogus

QuickMathzs: sus

struct: stop spamming

TryhardestIsBad: gg

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: ok but like

Blokops: they are bots

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: when

Default avatar.png Hyperbola: yes def

TryhardestIsBad: when?

QuickMathzs: no hablo ingles lo siento

Wontonimo: i approve the hammer struct. thanks

Wontonimo: i was looking away for just 2 min !

struct: same