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holite: https://escape.codingame.com/events/t4z-VTs-KDG-mhg?join=Xck-ga6-uDK-AQT : join me at condiingame fall challenge? sure just join now lets do it

ISAI: n daring bro

ISAI: lets become expert first

holite: oldright dude

holite: lets become expert

Default avatar.png lol5: lol

Default avatar.png lol5: hardstuck bronze 4

Default avatar.png mailbox: lol

Default avatar.png Tien2k9: hi

Default avatar.png n.vaite: lodorius

Thorcode: if x<lx: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ddd9cfbe-8f67-4439-a412-c7217dd3a100

Uljahn: else: rotate = 0

Thorcode: I got that

Thorcode: but my rocket doesn't go in my direction

Thorcode: it fly away from the land

derjack: second if is tabbed

Thorcode: or lx is not the x of the land

Uljahn: it's the first if unindented, happens with c&p all the time

Thorcode: s = int(input()) for i in range(s):

   lx, ly = [int(j) for j in input().split()]

Thorcode: I think my problem come from this

Uljahn: ye, use debug to make sure the direction is correct

Thorcode: I didn't get the right land right?

Thorcode: how to get the right land in this?

Uljahn: are you solving marslander ep.2?

Thorcode: yep

Thorcode: Oh the land y==land y from the start and end

Uljahn: land_y==land_y_previous

Thorcode: thanks

Thorcode: find the right land is not as easy as I thought

Thorcode: wow TechnoBot solved mars lander ep 3

Uljahn: x

Thorcode: how can

Uljahn: solving with c&p teaches you almost nothing, you miss a ton of experience and fun

Thorcode: yep I'm trying to do this alone

VizGhar: c&p?

Uljahn: copy&paste

Thorcode: I think that is puzzle

TheBlueBias: Cola & peanuts

VizGhar: ah :D i don't do this :D

VizGhar: code and play

Thorcode: gosh find the right land and the right x and y it not easy

TheBlueBias: There's only one flat land

Thorcode: yep

Thorcode: find the land y and y is easy but get the right land x is not

Uljahn: how so?

TheBlueBias: huh?

VizGhar: you get this on input, why its hard?

VizGhar: what language u using?

Thorcode: I put an x array and got two right land y

Thorcode: python

Thorcode: not it got alot land not the right land I want

Uljahn: what land do you want?

TheBlueBias: If you find the two equal y, you got their repective x, so what's the problem?

Thorcode: the land with the same lnad x and y

Thorcode: I only put the y in my list

Thorcode: and the x I forget it

LelouchVC2: They key is to crash land

Uljahn: just store x and x_prev

Thorcode: yeah i'm so stupid

Thorcode: thanks guy

Uljahn: you should focus more on solving than chatting then

VizGhar: :point_up:

Thorcode: I always got problem with the input

Uljahn: ?

Uljahn: do you know how to print to debug?

Thorcode: no?

Uljahn: :scream_cat:

TheBlueBias: -_-

Uljahn: did you read comments in default code?

Thorcode: not really I ussally delete them all

ProCoder03: better read them !!

Uljahn: nobody reads comments, Automaton2000

Automaton2000: did you even look at the difference between the two

Thorcode: yes after 5 months on CG this is the first time I know in the comment has debug :D

Thorcode: and something useful

ProCoder03: even though Automaton2000 is a bot, Its pretty funny for a bot!!!

Automaton2000: and you have to pass all the test cases

Thorcode: is he a real bot? ProCoder03

ProCoder03: yes !!!

TheBlueBias: Automaton2000: Thorcode thought you were a fake bot...

Automaton2000: i use the first turn

Thorcode: I'm confusing bc the bot has the i'm a creator achievement

TheBlueBias: Automaton2000 create happiness

Automaton2000: what do u think that?

Thorcode: my mind boom with that bot

Cosmo: Evening folks

ProCoder03: So can we do Fall challenge as an individual ??

Thorcode: yep

TheBlueBias: No

Thorcode: Thibaud said that in discord

Thorcode: [CG]Thibaud — Hôm qua lúc 20:18 Exceptionally, it will be possible to play the Coding Escape mission of the Fall Challenge 2021 as a solo player

Thorcode: is this true?

ProCoder03: well I was thinking about it ??

ProCoder03: was it sarcasm or real ??

TheBlueBias: Oh. Well, yes so...

ProCoder03: No more searching for teammates :grinning: :joy: :wink:

Thorcode: I've just check that

Thorcode: is that all of member in top 3 team has prize?

Thorcode: if yes I will play team else I will try to duel :D

ProCoder03: yes

Thorcode: ok I will play with my team :D

[CG]Thibaud: Thorcode why ping me to confirm I wrote in the announcement channel? Please don't

Thorcode: oh sorry

[CG]Thibaud: confirm what I*

Thorcode: I just copy your message and forget that :(

Thorcode: I should read the rule of the contest more carefully :sweat_smile:

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: i need help in spring challange

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: wood 2

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: code

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: help

ProCoder03: which year ??

ProCoder03: 2021 ?

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 2020

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: :grimacing:

ProCoder03: sorry I used heuristics to solve that one

007_008: hello

ProCoder03: :waveL

ProCoder03: :wave:

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: lol

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: please help me

ProCoder03: what's your preoblem ??

ProCoder03: *problem

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: i dont understand

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: it

ProCoder03: if you can't understand the puzzle, I am afraid I can't help much

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: i understand it

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: a bit

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: why did i stop in the middle

Thorcode: show us your replay

ProCoder03: That's something you only know....

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: wait

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: https://www.codingame.com/replay/587172589

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: see

TheBlueBias: The pac is where you said it to go...

ProCoder03: yeah...

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: ok

ProCoder03: the way you filter the pellets in your code is the problem it seems

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: lets gooooo

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: ready for areana

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: arena

TheBlueBias: He doesn't filter anything, just print the same coordinate all along...

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/587173206

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: wood 1

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 10

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 9

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 8

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 3

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 2

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: 1

Thorcode: nice

Uljahn: no need to spam though

Default avatar.png Raghuveer:


Default avatar.png Raghuveer: print("MOVE " + pac_id , x , y)

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: should this work

Default avatar.png Raghuveer: in wood 1

aangairbender: hey guys, is it possible to use simd in rust on codingame?

TechnoBot: hmmm?

derjack: release mode?

TechnoBot: Why is CODINGAME FALL CHALLENGE 2021 at 3:00 am?!?!?!

aangairbender: TechnoBot it lasts for multiple days

TechnoBot: ok

TechnoBot: so ill be ok

TechnoBot: thx

derjack: but noone gonna participate anyway

TechnoBot: there are participants

TechnoBot: CODINGAME FALL CHALLENGE 2021

aangairbender: true xD

aangairbender: nah bot programming forever

TechnoBot: Im not a bot

TechnoBot: im Technoblade

TechnoBot: brb

TechnoBot: its only cause this is "approprite" for coding

TechnoBot: pls join my team

TechnoBot: https://escape.codingame.com/events/t4z-VTs-KDG-mhg?join=thP-WDR-AHi-amk

MSmits: I wonder how they will make sure it is fair. I mean you can start at any moment, but if team 1 takes a look at the challenge and tells team 2 what to do 2 days later, then team 2 has a speed advantage

MSmits: it must have a lot of random elements i guess?

Uljahn: the first to solve will win

MSmits: mmh so you do need to start at 3 am to win?

Uljahn: ye

MSmits: that's weird. They did not mention that in the details

MSmits: they made it sound like timezones would not be an advantage or disadvantage

Karne: "How is the ranking working?

To prevent cheating, the default leaderboard will rank teams according to the official start time of the event. It will also be possible to sort the teams by the time they took to solve the mission whenever they started." https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/coding-escape-events

MSmits: ok so both ways of sorting has issues

MSmits: from the official start time you have a time zone advantage and when you consider time to solve you have an information advantage

MSmits: seems there is some unfairness either way.

MSmits: unless you consider the event to be more about fun/participation, then thats fine i guess

Uljahn: then there is no reason in having prizes though

MSmits: depends, if they are just low cost prizes, it's fine

MSmits: (like t-shirts)

Uljahn: you mean t-shirts for everyone?

MSmits: top 20, it's a small prize so the unfairness doesn't bother me then

MSmits: it already doesn't count for contest leaderboard

Uljahn: don't underestimate t-shirt hoarders, they'll be competing death serious :smiley:

MSmits: haha that's fine

Cosmo: I don't know that I could bring myself to enter a competition for the prize alone tbh

Cosmo: Like, in general

Milanovich: Can you add using statements for c# like Globalization to deal with decimals( . and , )

MSmits: Cosmo me neither, but prizes do affect the motivation of players.

Cosmo: also I've not been in a hot minute but you seem familiar, ulhjan, have you always been a mod?

Cosmo: MSmits, I guess, though of the competitions I did enter, I think there was only one prize of interest, a cute little robot thing?

MSmits: ahh ok. The ones I participated seriously in only had t-shirts and artwork

Cosmo: probably years ago now, was having a rough time with my health/sleep for years after my undergrad thesis throwing my pattern out

Cosmo: a couple of years*

MSmits: contests do not help with sleep

MSmits: unless you think not sleeping is of benefit to you

Cosmo: Indeed, though I've been relatively good at learning to limit work hours over the course of the pandemic

MSmits: you mean by working at home?

Cosmo: well, last 6 months, but a lot of health improvements in general in the past 3-4 years

Cosmo: By working from home, by lowering stress.. I lost all routine for a while at first but as of a few months ago I'm now someone that wakes at 7am sharp every morning which I had never done since birth

Uljahn: no, not always

Cosmo: Less energy spent pretending to keep up with external expectations of how morning routines work, more energy available to figure out what I actually need to be healthy/functional

Cosmo: noted, uljahn, how long have you been particpating in CG in general, may I ask?

Uljahn: 6+ years

Uljahn: yep, 7 already

Cosmo: oh, neat, you definitely would have been a least active way back when I was then

Cosmo: sidenote what's the deal with the language level assessments now?

Cosmo: I did job search test but it seemed to just be 4 minor progressions of a single exercise?

jacek: hm?

Default avatar.png BADASZ: please can someone explain the MIME type solution to me

Default avatar.png BADASZ: its really confusing

Default avatar.png BADASZ: im a beginner im just trying to get better at codding

Uljahn: check the puzzle tags for hints or go to "discussions" tab for more hints

Uljahn: i guess if you lack the basics as a beginner you'd be experiencing hard times here

Cosmo: also googling "MIME types" may or may not help to provide conceptual context.

aangairbender: hey guys, is it possible to use SIMD in rust on codingame?

Default avatar.png GoldStandard: I came here thinking I could go from nothing to ~not nothing~ am I wrong? Everything feels too advanced...

darkhorse64: I think it's now possible with Rust in general, please check supported version and crates at CG

Press_F_to-Cesar: who wached jojo?

5DN1L: GoldStandard, you need at least some basic knowledge of any one programming language to start solving the puzzles here

5DN1L: Otherwise, you may have to explore the learning section first: https://www.codingame.com/learn

Press_F_to-Cesar: guys, how are you?

Bradux: fine ty

Default avatar.png Mau2e: oh,hello

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: hi

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: how re u , dude?

Default avatar.png Mau2e: sam dude

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: da idi ti

Default avatar.png Mau2e: net

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: lol

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: durak

Default avatar.png Mau2e: ne pravda

Default avatar.png Mau2e: ne vri

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: kozel

Default avatar.png Mau2e: aboba

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: abobys

Default avatar.png Mau2e: amogus pravilnee

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: kaka skagesh

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: kak*

Default avatar.png Mau2e: dada

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: da

Default avatar.png Mau2e: pisat,nauchis

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: ti durak

Default avatar.png Mau2e: ne vri

Default avatar.png Sandra_28: ne vry

Musaab: English

Musaab: And no spam

Default avatar.png Mau2e: ok men

Default avatar.png Mau2e: good day

Astrobytes: Any more spam and I kick you

Astrobytes: lol struct

eulerscheZahl: am I late to the party?

Astrobytes: seems so :D

Astrobytes: struct is in hunter-killer stealth mode

eulerscheZahl: shadows of the knight

Astrobytes: hahaha

Drayble: hi

eulerscheZahl: 6 days left to validate the rubik cube. i might give it a shot on the weekend

Astrobytes: oh the j rke optim?

eulerscheZahl: and coder one is close to launching their new version of the game. might be my replacement for RAIC

eulerscheZahl: yes, the jrke one

eulerscheZahl: he made the cubes unsolvable, I checked that already

eulerscheZahl: corner stones with same color on both sides

Astrobytes: Nice! Didn't realise it was ready for approval. what's the coderone game? The bomberman thingy?

TheBlueBias: Where is it? I want contests!

eulerscheZahl: yes. now with 3 bombers per team

Scarfield: sounds caotic

Astrobytes: interesting

Scarfield: insert h

eulerscheZahl: https://www.gocoder.one/bomberland

eulerscheZahl: caothic?

eulerscheZahl: catholic?

Astrobytes: :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: chaotic and catholic are anagrams :tada:

Astrobytes: nope

eulerscheZahl: :(

eulerscheZahl: you are no fun

Astrobytes: back to remedial English for you

Scarfield: xD

Astrobytes: Catholic bomberman would be an IRA game, not sure that would be acceptable...

eulerscheZahl: reminds me of the holy bomb from worms world party

Mau2e: .

Scarfield: HALLELUJA

eulerscheZahl: haleluja :boom:

Astrobytes: haha yes indeed!

rizonbro: hi

rizonbro: you guys good

Scarfield: the donkey was nice as well

Scarfield: hi

rizonbro: where

Astrobytes: Worms was great

eulerscheZahl: i always played with unlimited ninja rope. and then used the baseball bat in close combat

Astrobytes: Ah, the true professional

Scarfield: oh yea you could swing around, but prod/push kills where the most satisfying

Astrobytes: for sure :D

Default avatar.png gtrkogvrko: Has someone done Equivalent Resistance, Circuit Building ? I don't know how to resolve it

eulerscheZahl: seems that I solved it

eulerscheZahl: keep replacing the inner-most group by a single resistance

Default avatar.png gtrkogvrko: ok thanks i ll try!

MSmits: hey guys, I optimized my meta mcts program for draws and went from 2 million nodes to 175k nodes on solving 7x5 C4. Still have to optimize the bot it's calling to play the games. That may give me another factor of 10 I think

Daredevil1902: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/db124ee0-35c6-4543-8f4c-6015856b00f6

jacek: the bot calling to play the games?

jacek: also, do you somehow remember the moves from inside the plays?

MSmits: i dont remember the moves from inside the plays. The bot being called to play the games is basically my c++ bot thats on the leaderboard

MSmits: so a C# windows forms gui program calls this bot and also manages the db

MSmits: i still need to optimize that c++ bot, working on it now.

jacek: just something i remember reading nested MCTS paper, that remembering sequencing moves from rollouts improved the bot

MSmits: how would that work?

MSmits: oh you mean played moves inside the rollout. there's only a few of those

jacek: probably something like rave

MSmits: yeah i guess some of that could be used.

jacek: https://www.lamsade.dauphine.fr/~cazenave/papers/nested.pdf

MSmits: thanks, I'll take a look

Drayble: DONT CLICK IT

Drayble: IT BROKE MY PC

Astrobytes: Drayble: Quit being an idiot please.

Drayble: ooo how'd you get your text red

Drayble: also my b

Astrobytes: Just type in a username and it will appear red for that user only

jacek: Drayble only mods can write in red

Astrobytes: back in your box jacek

MSmits: jacek-in-the-box ?

Default avatar.png Atomcast: you guys suck dick

jacek: and dots

Astrobytes: Bye-bye Atomcast

Default avatar.png _Anthony_: ok

Default avatar.png WhoTho: he said hes very sorry for his actions and hes hope to improve on his behavior and has learned his lesson

Astrobytes: Tough luck he's banned.

Default avatar.png WhoTho: :O

eulerscheZahl: where do all these trolls come from all of the sudden?

Default avatar.png WhoTho: idk

Astrobytes: classrooms I think

Default avatar.png WhoTho: actually ye we in chem rn

struct: sorry ill unban him

Astrobytes: Pay attention in chemistry. Especially organic chemistry. It's fun.

Drayble: yo chem is harder than i thought

Default avatar.png WhoTho: the work the teacher assigned doesnt work

eulerscheZahl: did all the teachers decide to send their students to CG?

jacek: what you can do after organic chemistry :thinking:

Astrobytes: Make things

Drayble: blow things up

struct: is this the teacher job?

Drayble: through the scientific process

eulerscheZahl: there were classes coming in the past. but not that extreme

Astrobytes: oh some are worse

Drayble: in a controlled environment, of course

eulerscheZahl: maybe CGs growth strategy is working

struct: this is why im a mod

struct: to improve growth

Astrobytes: are they giving away sweets?

struct: by banning

Scarfield: its just pruning

Astrobytes: heh

eulerscheZahl: more bans => more 2nd accounts to keep trolling

jacek: hydra eh

Drayble: idk why ppl just make 2nd accts

Drayble: or troll in the first place

Drayble: such a waste of time

jacek: :zipper_mouth:

Scarfield: i think it was Ille who had someone keep making accounts with a counter in the end of his nickname

MSmits: Ille instructed someone to do that?

jacek: it was Automaton2000 's 1999 ancestors

Scarfield: xD, no i meant someone kept trolling him, the counter got rather high iirc

Automaton2000: i have no clue what my bot was trying to use the boost

MSmits: ahh ok

MSmits: who won the staring contest?

MSmits: I haven't seen ille in a while

eulerscheZahl: making new accounts is so noob level

eulerscheZahl: write a script that changes your nickname every few seconds to dodge bans

jacek: deleting ones is pro

eulerscheZahl: when the mod writes "/ban nickname", you are already somewhere else

Default avatar.png julio11111111111111: w

jacek: he has high count

darkhorse64: this guy has been banned quit a lot of times

darkhorse64: quite

Scarfield: yea, the counter is in binary

MSmits: eulerscheZahl I would say make a script to change your name to add a random number so it can't be guessed what the next one is and then only change the name whenever you place a message in chat

MSmits: then they go by the name in chat and it's always different right

MSmits: more efficient too. No need to overload the servers just to troll

eulerscheZahl: you will still see the current name on mouse-over

eulerscheZahl: the chat name won't even update, caching...

MSmits: oh hmm, did not think of that

struct: just ban by id :)

eulerscheZahl: we can do that?

struct: no

Uljahn: just ban by subnet

eulerscheZahl: but i did other overheads in the past. like downloading all puzzle contributions including comments

eulerscheZahl: or playing top100 of each game vs self

MSmits: ah but that's for a good cause

eulerscheZahl: good thing that the game quota is per arena and not a global one

eulerscheZahl: when you are blocked from 1 game, you can continue with the next

struct: hmm, is it still like that?

eulerscheZahl: at least it was about 3 weeks ago

struct: ah so you are probably right

struct: I thought it was global for some reason

eulerscheZahl: side effect: the games on your start page are always different

DouglasBolden: haha

Wontonimo: more bans => more 2nd accounts => CG's num of reported users goes up => keep up the banning!

jacek: more suicides -> less suicides

MSmits: more is less?

xspeedasx: accurate but unacceptable

DouglasBolden: Spicy Comment

Someone.kt: Why the feck is Kotlin language assist never actually loads?

MSmits: real Kotlin heroes don't need assist

xspeedasx: they use iphone autocorrect

darkhorse64: they ask siri to write the code

jacek: they write in java and convert to kotlin

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: hii everyone im new!

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: nice to meet u guys :D

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: nice to meet u too! I joined yesterday lol

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: lets goo

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: what program language are your primary ones?

struct: foxpro

jacek: java/kotlin for working, c++ for bot programming and python for... hmm

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: i havent heard of that one woow

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: i started with py and now learning js :D

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: even though my collegue probably gonna teach us C# and java

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: college*

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: onstely, the only language I know well is HTML/CSS, I am trying to learn java on freeCodeCamp but it is extremly difficult for me

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: python kinda the ones im most familiar in i guess, ive been sticking to js more often though :o

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: (im 12)

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: ohh i see, i started java also but its kinda difficult haha

jacek: how js is so popular :thinking:

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: idk, i would guess that its used around the globe for websites stuff, also the core for web apps

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: I am interested in machine learning I wish I knew how to use it but I can't even get past the first game on the AI path

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: i think you will come to it eventually :D

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: Thanks!:grinning:

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: i just did like 2 clashes and im disappointed

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: these questions kinda new and p difficult for me

jacek: clashes vary. better stick to the puzzles

eulerscheZahl: p difficult?

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: Im in class rn gtg bye!

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: pretty difficult

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: goodluck!

eulerscheZahl: so NP difficult?

jacek: yes, if P=NP

Default avatar.png ayeurgood: yeah i guess, i cant solve them though

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: ok out of class anyone got suggestions on what language to learn after HTML&CSS mastery?

DouglasBolden: Go

DouglasBolden: or SQL

DouglasBolden: to use with your HTML

DouglasBolden: Python if you want to use all three together

DouglasBolden: and then Javascript to tie them all in.

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: thanks!

DouglasBolden: You are welcome.

TheBlueBias: :no_mouth:

Wontonimo: i don't agree gjjkdfcjnsjfn. if you are learning and already know html, javascript would be fun for you

Wontonimo: check out "the coding train" on youtube, he has tons of really really awesome content for beginners

jacek: (...) javascript would be fun (...) :scream:

**eulerscheZahl played a whole bot contest with JS

MSmits: which botcontest?

eulerscheZahl: yare

MSmits: pirates?

eulerscheZahl: yare

MSmits: YARRR!

eulerscheZahl: yare.io

MSmits: o

**eulerscheZahl slaps MSmits around a bit with a large fishbot

Wontonimo: jacek, I really think javascript is fun for people who already know HTML. Javascript allows them to add motion and actions to their html

TheBlueBias: And to add trackware, and stuffs :3

eulerscheZahl: or you use a big framework like blazor to get around JS

MSmits: make a button that moves away when people try to click it

jacek: like X in ad?

MSmits: sure

MSmits: this sort of thing helps keyboard manufacturers

Wontonimo: really, why are you all hating on JS so much? Do you really think Go + SQL like DouglasBolden suggested would be better for someone who only knows HTML+CSS ?

struct: js is allright

jacek: this is my usual js trolling

TimothyAlexisVass: I used to think JS was crap, then I learned it and now I think it's good.

Wontonimo: tbh, I had the same experience. I *HATED* it for 15 years.

Astrobytes: I've hated it for ~21 years and don't plan on stopping any time soon :P

Wontonimo: lol

bearnilu: lol

jacek: oO

DanteFromTheHitSeriesDevilMayCry: Haha Waahoo! Pizza!

Astrobytes: DanteFromTheHitSeriesDevilMayCry: Haha Wahoo! Keep talking crap and get a free kick!

DanteFromTheHitSeriesDevilMayCry: mega bummer dude

Amrhossam: I want to get a job as an iOS developer any thoughts ? I made several clone apps but what’s next

Wontonimo: apply for a job

AndoMcTavish: +1

Wontonimo: the 5 things that will help you get a job:


Wontonimo: knowing the right people and asking them for help

Wontonimo: job experience

Wontonimo: education

Wontonimo: ability to pass the interview

Wontonimo: actual technical ability (the lowest out of the 5)

Westicles: You'll never be a mod like that. You are supposed to tell him to click on 'GET A JOB'

Wontonimo: :( oh, my hopes and dreams are dashed

Wontonimo: get to know the right people by getting out IRL to tech meetups, keep a good relationship with teachers and profs, etc

jacek: meeting other people :scream:

Wontonimo: seriously, does anyone do that anymore?

eulerscheZahl: play contests, get the contact info of recruiters for free

eulerscheZahl: or just create a linkedIn profile i've been told

Westicles: I wonder why they decided to let individuals do the escape contest

eulerscheZahl: over 1000 teams of up to 6 players competed

Westicles: Ah, numbers again

Foxwizard5556: error code

Foxwizard5556: haha bertio

Illedan: Hello

Wontonimo: in uni when there was an option to go solo on group assignments, i'd always pick solo

Wontonimo: hmm... I've been doing that at work also now that I think about it

Wontonimo: :wave: Illedan

Illedan: I get more energy from working in a team.

darkhorse64: If team has any energy

Illedan: Yeah

eulerscheZahl: i think a team would be of advantage in the escape thing. different people have different ideas

eulerscheZahl: but there's also the saying "the only winning move is not to play"

Wontonimo: who says that?

jacek: the cold war people?

Wontonimo: oh, from War Games

Wontonimo: i really liked that movie

Wontonimo: totally forgot about it. what a pleasant memory. Thanks eulerscheZahl

eulerscheZahl: i haven't seen the movie. I only know the quote

Wontonimo: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Wontonimo: :D

Wontonimo: i just watched a clip. the memory was better

struct: ive been doing ecapes rooms for weeks now to practice for the contest

Scarfield: they really shouldnt take weeks to escape from

jacek: welp :( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46765692

Default avatar.png zeplul: never going to another escape room :smiley:

Astrobytes: jacek: damn dude that's awful

Astrobytes: jacek: also from 2019

Astrobytes: We need a Global Thermonuclear War game

Astrobytes: We've got TTT variants and chess

Astrobytes: Now we just need GTW, ofc authored by Dr. Falken

Default avatar.png Saber-Tiger: 😢

Default avatar.png PrivateCommitter_b940: 新手表示好难,题目都看不懂

MSmits: don't spoil the best opening moves for c4 please

struct: finally

struct: just what I needed to improve my bot

AllYourTrees: smits what'd you update in your latest C4 bot?!

jacek: its emergent intelligence

struct: I think he improved his bot AllYourTrees

AllYourTrees: :expressionless:

jacek: :upside_down:

struct: I think it was mostly his solver

jacek: TT

TheBlueBias: (╯°□°)╯︵ :)

struct: ah and that

jacek: he flipped the table?

AllYourTrees: _jacek when you train your value nn how many simulations per turn do you use during training?

jacek: mostly 200

struct: only 200?

jacek: yes, for most games

AllYourTrees: thats good to know cool

jacek: simulations, as in 200 iterations, as in 200 x selection, expansion, 'rollout', backpropagation

Jario_Productions: Hello

AllYourTrees: :thumbs_up:

struct: hi

Default avatar.png TheFighter: yooo

Default avatar.png TheFighter: tbh I think I'm the best coder here

AllYourTrees: me too, i've heard about you

Default avatar.png TheFighter: yea, I always love meeting fans

DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: shutup bruh

DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: no one cares

DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: ole goofy boy

DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: ole dick in the booty ass boy

Default avatar.png TheFighter: Bro who do you think you are

Default avatar.png TheFighter: Bro I bet you are so dumb

Default avatar.png TheFighter: Don't even know how to code

Default avatar.png TheFighter: Why you stop talking

struct: he is banned

Default avatar.png TheFighter: oh damn

AllYourTrees: people on the internet are so weird

Default avatar.png TheFighter: honestly

ipsissimus: lol that went 0-100 real quick

Default avatar.png TheFighter: honestly. that dude thinks he is so cool, trying to beat a professional

ipsissimus: we all make mistakes in the heat of passion, jimbo

CristianHG: TheFighter you sound like someone who doesn't wash between their buttcheeks because they think it's gay

AllYourTrees: :thinking:

Default avatar.png TheFighter: At least I'm not gay

CristianHG: "HoNeStLy. ThAt dUdE ThInKs hE Is sO CoOl, TrYiNg tO BeAt a pRoFeSsIoNaL"

Default avatar.png TheFighter: Now you think you're cool

ipsissimus: some people just cant handle the neutron style

CristianHG: Well I'm gay and that statement is offensive

juandiegox17: I'm gay too

juandiegox17: Can you not be offensive, thank you

Default avatar.png TheFighter: hahaha GAY

juandiegox17: ._.

juandiegox17: Please stop.

CristianHG: Please stop being a homophone

AllYourTrees: so how about that local sports team

Westicles: all these french smurfs pretending to be dumb americans

AllYourTrees: that game the other day phew

CristianHG: baguette

juandiegox17: I thought this place was cool with LBTG

juandiegox17: people

ipsissimus: as a dumb american im not impressed :nail_care:

juandiegox17: Didn't know this community was so unwelcoming.

CristianHG: As a dUmB AmErIcAn iM NoT ImPrEsSeD :nAiL_CaRe:


Scarfield: Astrobytes, struct pls

CristianHG: 🍆

CristianHG: wowwww

Astrobytes: struct that was the wrong guy (first one)

ipsissimus: chat going mega hamm today

Astrobytes: oh wait no

Astrobytes: or maybe

TheBlueBias: Yeah Westicles, there's enough dumb americans without adding fakes...

struct: maybe

Default avatar.png TheFighter: Just like the gender you're supposed to, it's not that hard

struct: I guess he can email cg

struct: idc too much tbh

Astrobytes: This crap annoys me so much.

Astrobytes: It also puts people off from participating in the chat.

Scarfield: yea, today has been bad, but ty guys

TheBlueBias: Chat is peaceful when there's nobody on. Coincidence? I don't think so! Ban everybody Astrobytes!

Astrobytes: TheBlueBias: :rofl:

Wontonimo: not even a keyword list for auto-moderation eh?

Astrobytes: Primitive webchat man

Scarfield: hey be nice to wonto

Scarfield: :p

struct: ban Wontonimo

struct: ah missed a /

struct: you are lucky

Scarfield: xD

Astrobytes: Scarfield: ffs, OK OK lol

Astrobytes: Wontonimo: it's a primitive webchat, man

Scarfield: I enjoyed that more than i should

Astrobytes: Friday mood eh :D

Scarfield: ye :) but why did i start with locam again

Astrobytes: lol, only you can answer that

jacek: lolcam?

Default avatar.png Ethan....: i wrote the worst code possible, it was just .replace ;(

Wontonimo: if it was just replace and it passed the validation, then I'd say it's pretty good

Wontonimo: lol Astrobytes

Default avatar.png 5922: Why does it seem as though some of the answers that I'm presented to rate don't show up in the published list?

struct: o.o

Default avatar.png 5922: I saw a really strange one and wanted to find it, but I can't seem to.

Wontonimo: have you solved that language for that puzzle?

Default avatar.png 5922: I am pretty sure it was a Java solution, but it did look rather strange, which is what made me look for it. Perhaps it was another language, though.

Default avatar.png 5922: Are the solutions presented not always in a language for which you have provided a solution?

jacek: you can see answers for the language you solved it

Default avatar.png 5922: Yea, I solved it in Java and was presented three solutions to rate before viewing the published solutions.

Default avatar.png 5922: I don't see one of the ones that I rated in list of published solutions.

Scarfield: that must be some new feature, havent seen that before

jacek: i saw that rating feature, but i dont know when do they come from

struct: rate my c4 please

jacek: :bomb:

jacek: darn, im gonna browse through the c4 memes once again

Default avatar.png Fabricioo: ???

Scarfield: ill rate your c4 10/336

MSmits: struct, I got my solve for 7x5 C4 down from 2 million nodes to 93k

struct: o.o

MSmits: over 20x faster

MSmits: because of the optimization for draws

struct: how much time does it take now?

MSmits: i didnt time it, i just look at nodecount

MSmits: but it's fast, around 15-30 mins

MSmits: was a full morning before

MSmits: but that's 7x5 ofc, not particularly big. I solved 4x11 earlier, that took longer

struct: ofc but the improvement should also help ther other ones

MSmits: yeah, especially the ones that are solved as draw

MSmits: 9x7 is not solved as draw, but with the steal move it is

MSmits: (I am guessing)

jacek: its not solve until you solve it

MSmits: i am trying the smaller sizes first though.

jacek: whats the biggest you solved

MSmits: currently the normal c4, so 7x6.

jacek: and is 9x7 within reasonable scope?

MSmits: 4x11 has more cells though

MSmits: but is easier to solve

jacek: but only 4 moves

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: 9x7 seems within reason, if within reason is months. That is my guess

struct: months?

struct: damn

jacek: amazon aws it is then

struct: yeah just rent 128 threads server

jacek: and mine c4 coins

Westicles: ^^ the french have reported you can get at unpublished solutions through that ranking thing

MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/NtfIwvT

MSmits: trying to replicate: https://tromp.github.io/c4/c4.html

MSmits: so far it matches

struct: are you using 128bit?

MSmits: 2x 64 bit

struct: ah you are using msvc

struct: I forgot

MSmits: doesn't matter though, i don't think the 128 bit is faster. It's the same as using a struct prolly

struct: yeah

struct: do you use avx?

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: I know i should probably compile it with a different compiler for 10-20% speed up

MSmits: but I am not installing linux or some such

jacek: intel?

struct: well you really just needed to enable wsl 2 :p

MSmits: wsl 2?

struct: windows subsystem for linux

MSmits: meh

struct: basicly you have linux on your windows

MSmits: whenever i touch things like that it goes wrong

struct: yeah I guess its always a risk

MSmits: gonna try for 7x7 now

MSmits: maybe finish it overnight if possible

struct: i give it 45 minutes

MSmits: no way, it's much much longer

MSmits: 7x5 was up to 30 mins

MSmits: John says it's a draw as well

struct: 7*5 = 35 - 5 = 30 7*7 = 49 - 5 = 44

struct: my math checks out

MSmits: lol

MSmits: if only that were true, then i could d 9x7 in an hour :P

MSmits: btw, i tested it for a normal bot too. It solves faster if you improve the solver function. It didn't help to touch the selection function

MSmits: I tried not selecting children that already have a drawn child

MSmits: it worked for the meta mcts, 20% improvement, but in a normal bot the slowdown hurt too much i guess

struct: why?

struct: cant a node with a draw child still be a win?

MSmits: yes, i mean i still select it, but as a lower priority. So only if all children have one

struct: ah ok

jacek: draw child means opponent has at least draw

jacek: so no win

MSmits: no but the opponent can win

MSmits: i skip it because the player can only draw and lose with that node

struct: jacek but one of the other childs that is not solved can be a win for you

jacek: then opponent would choose the draw

MSmits: you guys are confusing the child layer with the grandchild layer

MSmits: which is why you disagree

jacek: if youre talking about nodes, children of parent node are opponent's moves

struct: yeah but if only one of those children is solved as a draw

struct: maybe the opponent has one that is still a win?

jacek: then its lose for me eh

struct: oh

struct: I see

struct: im wrong sorry

MSmits: i usually see child nodes as player moves and grandchildren as opponent moves

MSmits: the current parent node is always an opponent move for me

MSmits: root node = opponent move

MSmits: maybe a matter of definition

struct: yeah i was confusing it a bit

struct: this new solve thing confuses me a bit

MSmits: it is pretty complicated. I can't explain it well with a drawing

MSmits: without

struct: yeah I get how it works

jacek: try with pseudocode

struct: readable pseudocode

jacek: woah imagine paying for that

Scarfield: if (!win) {loss}

MSmits: just simplified the code a bit (hopefully not introducing bugs)

MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/24289be2-c11b-49e0-bae5-10a61c03e6af

MSmits: that has the optimization

MSmits: i keep "hasDraw" on the node

MSmits: to keep track a node has a child that is a draw

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: what knowledge will i need to know about coding (python related) i know indexes,input,strings,lists and and variables

MSmits: conditions and loops

MSmits: functions are helpful

MSmits: at some point, also classes

MSmits: you can avoid classes in many puzzles though

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: i think i know classes

MSmits: did you use def ?

MSmits: and "for i in range(x):"

MSmits: and "if, elif, else"

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: what is def

MSmits: a function

MSmits: it's easy enough to learn

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: oh ok

MSmits: do you know the other 2 i mentioned?

MSmits: the for and the if/.\

MSmits: you absolutely need those

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: am learning if

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: statements

MSmits: ah ok, loops soon too

Uljahn: also dictionaries, sets, list comprehension, maybe generator expressions

Wontonimo: passionisNOTmymiddlename , if you are still on , here is a nice python practice resource https://www.hackinscience.org/exercises/

struct: nice Wontonimo

TechnoBot: hi

Default avatar.png bsemagn: lol

TechnoBot: brb

Wontonimo: i'm back

struct: wb

Wontonimo: wb? i know not this code you use

struct: welcome back

Wontonimo: ah. it's an old code, but it is still valid i see

Wontonimo: let me guess, nothing happened since i left

struct: dont think so

struct: at least that I noticed

Westicles: Alec Baldwin killed somebody...

struct: I saw that

struct: with a prop gun right?

Westicles: I guess. So *something* happened

Default avatar.png _Cerulean_: cojones

aaron9753: where should a new coder start? im kind of lost..

Wontonimo: hey, what programming language are you going to start on?

Wontonimo: aaron9753, have you done the onboarding challenge yet? https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/onboarding

aaron9753: c# was what im going for, looking to get into game design

Wontonimo: that's cool (there's no money in it, but it's cool)

aaron9753: i have not tried that one

Wontonimo: I love making games. just never made made even 1$ at it

aaron9753: yea its hard unless with a corp. kinda sucks right now lmao

Wontonimo: try the onboarding challenge I sent you. choose C# as the lang

aaron9753: Thank you!!

Wontonimo: tell me how easy/hard that was once you are done

aaron9753: super easy, it had me copy it in lol

Wontonimo: okay, cool. glad to hear

Wontonimo: next up is .... i can't remember ... the one where you help Captin Kirk ... anyone ?

Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/the-descent

Wontonimo: this is it.

Wontonimo: give this a try

aaron9753: ahh okay, Thank you:D

Wontonimo: how's it going aaron9753 on 'the descent"?

aaron9753: still a working, im still, uhhhhhh, novice at best lmao

Wontonimo: no problem

Wontonimo: if this one is giving you trouble, then this site is probably too hard right now. I'll DM you with more info

aaron9753: i was stuck on this one yesterday. I think this is probably too advanced

ipsissimus: can anyone link me the archive of the puzzles?

Smelty: hi

ipsissimus: i just ran out of time on a CoC and i really wanna finish it

Thorcode: nice

Smelty: can someone join team :c

Smelty: https://escape.codingame.com/events/t4z-VTs-KDG-mhg/registration?join=Z0b-5tY-MXl-HGZ

Thorcode: sorry I have my own team

Thorcode: and you can solo

Thorcode: Smelty do you want to join my team

ipsissimus: hey python question.

ipsissimus: if i have for element in number:

       h.append(int(element) + int(number[n]))
   print(*h)

ipsissimus: what does the * actually do

ipsissimus: i cant seem to pin down the behavior

Thorcode: is h is list?

ipsissimus: yes

ipsissimus: i know it unpacks it somehow but what are the rules of unpacking

ipsissimus: because it doesnt seem to work in every context

Thorcode: what does it print?

ipsissimus: it prints each element space separated

ipsissimus: in this case

Thorcode: I think that take the element in h list

ipsissimus: ive also seen it used for unpacking iterator objects like generators

ipsissimus: but like i said im not sure how it works exactly

Thorcode: ipsissimus thanks for that new "*" i learn something about it on the internet

ipsissimus: i still dont know how to use it correctly for anything that isnt a list

ipsissimus: :thinking:

Wontonimo: afaik it is just for lists

ipsissimus: well ive seen some witchcraft in these solutions that are definitely not list usages

KayKay1202: Hey anyone still here

KayKay1202: Lol

Wontonimo: nope. definitely not

KayKay1202: Hah

ipsissimus: gone fishing

KayKay1202: Ipsissimus I ;rivet texted you

KayKay1202: *private