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PatrickMcGinnisII: :innocent::astonished:

eulerscheZahl: that's a 30% redneck

PatrickMcGinnisII: Biden either, they all crooks

eulerscheZahl: i was ruling for Bernie

Thorcode: Shepherd's crook?

Thorcode: or it have another mean?

eulerscheZahl: fraudster

PatrickMcGinnisII: Politicians here are all garbage

wyenat: Bernie "Gotta change the world to make it more equal" into "please "vote for this billionnaire from a powerfull family over this billionnaire from a powerful family" TWICE

PatrickMcGinnisII: i was rooting for Andrew Yang, but he quit... quitter...smh

eulerscheZahl: i don't even know that one

wyenat: He's the universal revenue guy

PatrickMcGinnisII: He liked entrepreneurs and tech

PatrickMcGinnisII: Read the proposed US 2022 budget, proof positive they all crooks

PatrickMcGinnisII: it cost 100Billion to collect an extra 90Billion in taxes...smh

PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm not a redneck, I can do math

PatrickMcGinnisII: :(

PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm watching a Turkish Sitcom, oh crap it's a historical drama. heh

eulerscheZahl: then let me share this article about early US history https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03972-8

PatrickMcGinnisII: lol, yup they been finding all kinds of relics all the way across N America

Default avatar.png MeBen: y'all sometimes hope you get beat in clash because you feel like there's a clever solution you can't find?

Default avatar.png Good_Coder: ya

PatrickMcGinnisII: I trace my family back to the 11th century, when we arrived in Ireland. Before that we were in a mountainous region of N. Spain. In US since 1846...potato famine

Thorcode: why all pro in cg got low rank in clash?

Default avatar.png Good_Coder: idk

Thorcode: like the top one got rank 18000 in clash

PatrickMcGinnisII: clash points are temporary

Default avatar.png MeBen: I think clash is newish, and a lot of the top ranked regular CG members probably haven't played much of it

wyenat: Your clash points go down, so there's not much points to maintain them

eulerscheZahl: thor because top players don't care about clash

eulerscheZahl: we are here for the multiplayer games. i can assure you that i could climb the CoC ranks quickly

wyenat: and let's be honnest, it's fun to be 1st in most challenging aspects like multiplayer league based games, CoC you're gonna find string that can be reversed approximately 100 times

eulerscheZahl: yes. in short: repetitive and not really challenging

eulerscheZahl: apart from golfing, i'm bad at those. but i don't feel joy doing it either

wyenat: I think "size of code" is funny but suffers from language differences rather than ability

wyenat: And reverse mode is plain out useless for me

eulerscheZahl: choose the right tool for your problem

PatrickMcGinnisII: quick doesn't mean clean code, short doesn't mean readable... kinda enforces bad coding practices... although it doesn't take hours to get your coding fix

eulerscheZahl: anyways, getting ready for work. bye

PatrickMcGinnisII: later king eulerscheZahl

wyenat: Sure, but competing in size of code is just Ruby vs exec(bytes) in python

TechnoBot: I just finished a puzzle, what r u guys talking about?

TechnoBot: my ranks r going up!

TechnoBot: i mean down

TechnoBot: i mean like

TechnoBot: u know

Default avatar.png dooon: reverse sucks big balls

PatrickMcGinnisII: gheesh 120 lines of code to do "Simple AI duels"

PatrickMcGinnisII: fml

bongsoon92: hi

PeakMaster: hola

JHBonarius: jeez. I tried this certification test on GC, but hated it and quit. Now it says I score a 2/100 for C++.

JHBonarius: this is stupis.

JHBonarius: glad it can be hided

JHBonarius: stupid*

Coddertech: java is best

martinpapa69: c++ is bester

Coddertech: java

Mundgus: Every language beautiful as own way :)

JHBonarius: APL all the way!

JHBonarius: Very readible

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Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/20255289c3a3560dcf00b16fd2f785a4b06659d

Coddertech: join clash

Coddertech: 1v1

Coddertech: i wating for one layer

NamKL: alo

Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2025539b477554b70793ae0d777e017feb748ac

NamKL: :))

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NamKL: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d12750e9-6a0f-48e7-b46b-eda41b29f1ed

Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/202554811a89fe2e6b501527cf2c37d77f52e31

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Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/202554811a89fe2e6b501527cf2c37d77f52e31

Coddertech: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/05e16272-3d74-4572-8582-87f16195e8db

NamKL: :))))))))))))))))))))))

Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/servlet/urlinvite?u=4373371

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Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/servlet/urlinvite?u=4373371

WildSiphon: i can't join

Coddertech: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2025563a2732a06946c22996dad3052f98b5e48

Coddertech: join this

NamKL: :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

WildSiphon: i'm in

Coddertech: ok

WildSiphon: too late :(

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Nope08: ;dl'8k

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Thorcode: stop spamming guys

Nope08: 01001001110110101000001000100010101000111110001101101010

NamKL: stop spamming guys cái clmm

Thorcode: if a mod here he can ban all of you guys

Thorcode: he or she

Uljahn: or it

NamKL: if a mod here he can ban all of you guys he or she kệ mẹ nó

Thorcode: Uljahn you don't think you will use that command?

Thorcode: that fun :)

Thorcode: :joy:

MASTER123: :D

MASTER123: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2025602f621d106e54265b5beb92e3708fe43b6

Uljahn: pls post clash invites on #clash channel, not here

Thorcode: could you use "/" kick on me?

Thorcode: I want to see how it work :D

Thorcode: pls Uljahn

TheColorWheel: hi :)'

Default avatar.png ForgottenShoe_cbd: ;

TechnoBot: Hi.

TechnoBot: brb

TheColorWheel: sup dude

TechnoBot: hi :wave:

TheColorWheel: :wave:

TheColorWheel: :waves:

TheColorWheel: brb

TechnoBot: there r no waves.

TheColorWheel: yea i know now

TechnoBot: okie

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Thorcode: Porkchop

Thorcode: do you remember that TechnoBot

TechnoBot: #TecnoBotToTechnoBotchat01

TechnoBot: Brb

TechnoBot: I remember alright

TechnoBot: Thorcode

TechnoBot: Thorcode join or "0IQ"

RemoStein: hs digga

TechnoBot: brb

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: who else high af rn

RemoStein: i'm zooted bruh

TechnoBot: shut up

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: im zooted aswell

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: shut up technoblade

RemoStein: fr fr

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: Remo bre was geght

RemoStein: go watch dream or some shi

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: schick mir den bubatz rüber ehrenmann

TechnoBot: shut up

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: TechnoBlade imma play Man Hunt but in reallife and hunting your ass off

RemoStein: ja hallo, wann bubatz legel?

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: don't take a look in ur closet

TechnoBot: I dont even have a closet

TechnoBot: lol

TechnoBot: HaHaha

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: homeless ass

TechnoBot: I have a mansion!


Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: just kidding ur a nice person i guess

TechnoBot: so u shut up

RemoStein: mf storing his clothes on the ground

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: techno bro don't be rude

TechnoBot: brb

TechnoBot: okie

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: me_irl

TechnoBot: :smirk:

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: u gay

RemoStein: wer ist er digga

Uljahn: stop spamming here guys

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: Uljahn bre

RemoStein: sorry bre

TechnoBot: SRRY

TechnoBot: what?! i just said sorry

Uljahn: i said stop

TechnoBot: oki

darkhorse64: Uljahn: ban all these clowns

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: im friendly man

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: guys what is the difference between var and let in javascript

TechnoBot: hmmmmmmm

TechnoBot: let me think

TechnoBot: i know!

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: scoping

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: at a certain point right

TechnoBot: var in javascript means you create a varibale

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: and var is older

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: let is the same man

TechnoBot: ok

TechnoBot: let is var

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: not exactly

TechnoBot: but newer

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: yes

TechnoBot: kind of

TechnoBot: hey

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: hi

RemoStein: where we droppin boys?

Default avatar.png ToastedPilot: Tilted Towers man

Uljahn: that's enough i guess

5DN1L: ToastedPilot https://www.tutorialspoint.com/difference-between-var-and-let-in-javascript

[CG]Thibaud: :+1: Uljahn

TechnoBot: Hi

TechnoBot: Im back with more "Coding"

MSmits: isn't var vs let a scoping thing?

MSmits: I found it very counterintuitive the few times i was presented with js

MSmits: besides that, i am allergic to variables being declared in a loop that are then accessible outside the loop

ProCoder03: not just you, very C/C++/C# programmer will be :joy:

MSmits: and java too i guess and probably many other languages :)

TheColorWheel: brb

Uljahn: please abstain from "brb" spam, having lvl3 is not an excuse to be annoying

TechnoBot: oh

TechnoBot: so someone is spamming

TechnoBot: im trying to code

TheColorWheel: ok

TheColorWheel: mr. admin

TechnoBot: seriously?

Thorcode: he is jusst a mod

TechnoBot: yeah

Thorcode: not admin

TechnoBot: yea

TechnoBot: but still

TechnoBot: respect

Thorcode: have power

TheColorWheel: okie

ISAI: hey can some one help me

TechnoBot: ok

Thorcode: ok

TechnoBot: Ill help

Thorcode: what the problem?

ISAI: how to sort

TechnoBot: accuttaly well both help

ISAI: loop variable without making arra

TechnoBot: error?

ISAI: arry

TechnoBot: hmmmm

ISAI: array

TechnoBot: what puzzle

Thorcode: we should talk in private

TechnoBot: name

ISAI: scan a in loop

TechnoBot: wait

ISAI: and sort it

Thorcode: ez

TechnoBot: we'll talk private

Thorcode: just chat private with me

ISAI: without making array

TechnoBot: #CODEisai

TechnoBot: join

TechnoBot: lets talk there

TechnoBot: ISAI

Thorcode: He use C

TechnoBot: ok

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: hi

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: im sara

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: whatsup

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: i dont knmow how to ude

niluthebear: :wave:

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: use this app

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: help me

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: who wanna by my gamer bf

MSmits: Uljahn

niluthebear: lol

martinpapa69: MAD POD RACING

martinpapa69: wtf

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: pls

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: guysssss

Default avatar.png vancouver: wtf

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: plssss

MSmits: martinpapa69 fear of copyright :)

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: i don wanna be alone

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: any mnikre

martinpapa69: oh

Default avatar.png vancouver: imo sus

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: imo tez

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: martytna is lookig for a gamer

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Default avatar.png vancouver: come on bro

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: u?

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Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: batrosz

Default avatar.png vancouver: chill bro

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: ur in??

Default avatar.png vancouver: no.

MSmits: please stop the spam or take it to private messaging

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: WHY??

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: O OKEJ

Default avatar.png sarawisniajd: MSmits

Default avatar.png Nygson: yooo

MSmits: wow 7x5 C4 takes me longer to solve than 7x6 C4, because 7x5 is a draw. I think I need to put my ab pruning for mcts solver in.

MSmits: if most nodes are solved draws then mcts solver has a really hard time

MSmits: this is a good way to test the effectiveness of the pruning trick too. I can compare both ways to do it

struct: hi

Bon[]Crayon: ho

LittleFlea: on there is no spoon i just add the given string to a list in the readline loop and it give me an error sayin i didnt wait for all input before printing out something.why

struct: are you reading all the inputs before outputing?

LittleFlea: pretty sure .i didnt change their initial code at all .just add the given row to a list to iterate later.

LittleFlea: an then i do another for loop to check for answer.my code work and everything when tried on VS but it always give me the error here

struct: if you want message me the code

struct: i can take a quick look

MSmits: 2 million nodes to solve 7x5 and 500k nodes to solve 7x6. Damn

struct: how long does that take to solve?

niluthebear: Harcoded typo In There is no Spoon - Episode 1 Note Section

MSmits: the 2 million took a few hours

struct: not too bad

MSmits: each node is either a solve with < 70 ms or a played game

struct: do you use bitboards?

MSmits: yeah, both in the meta mcts and in the bot that it uses to play the games an solve

MSmits: but just to be clear, the 2 million could have been like 50k i think, if not less, if i used optimizations for draws

MSmits: seeing it happen live, made me realize how important these are

struct: you know that because the game isnt solved as a draw right?

MSmits: 7x5 is solved as a draw

MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/66f8a807-fc56-44c7-87d2-d8ec4861832e

struct: I see

MSmits: this is 7x6

MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/00d2760f-f150-46e2-9801-21418177a196

MSmits: you can see how much easier it solves

struct: maybe you need to update some stuff before you move into the other board sizes

MSmits: i will

MSmits: i am using these smaller sizes as a testbed

MSmits: i am just happy so far all the results are identical to the known results

MSmits: so i think i am bug free

derjack: or you both are wrong

niluthebear: Oo

MSmits: thats always a possibility, but a remote one when there's so many sizes to check :)

struct: i would solve it on paper just to be sure

MSmits: lol!

MSmits: i dont have enough paper even for the smal ones

Astrobytes: Write a proof. ezpz

MSmits: bleh doesn't sound like fun

MSmits: once I am done optimizing the solver I might write it out on tech.io

Astrobytes: :+1:

MSmits: the tricks for dealing with draws i mean

Astrobytes: yep

MSmits: i think to some degree it's helpful in a normal bot too. I am going to have to do it in the meta mcts program first and then try it in the bot itself. Both times i should get improvement

Astrobytes: Seems a promising idea at least

MSmits: I know it works because sometimes I am looking at the parent node having 3 drawn children and 1 unsolved child. The unsolved child already has a drawn child, which means the whole thing is a draw, but it just keeps searching, sometimes wasting minutes to an hour

Astrobytes: an hour!

MSmits: easily, i think the 5 hrs it spent solving 7x5 could have been 15 mins or less, that's my guess

struct: damn

Astrobytes: Jeez. That's... significant

MSmits: yeah, the thing is, with solved wins or losses you only have to fully explore every other layer, with the draw trick you can get close to that

MSmits: brb

Diwash: :ok_hand:

Thorcode: ruby kinda cool

Thorcode: in shortest

niluthebear: the numbering of rows and cols of there is no spoon made me lot of bugs

darkhorse64: "I know it works because sometimes I am looking at the parent node having 3 drawn children and 1 unsolved child. The unsolved child already has a drawn child, which means the whole thing is a draw". Err, what if one of the unsolved nodes is a win ?

jzen: Does private clashes increment clash participation count?

Thorcode: no

FeralitowyWojtas: maybe

FeralitowyWojtas: depends

FeralitowyWojtas: guys

FeralitowyWojtas: do you want to talk about our lord and saviour Jesus Christ?

Default avatar.png salezJanek: OH YEAH!

Uljahn: nah, we talk about coding here

FeralitowyWojtas: Then it might be a wrong place for me :(

Default avatar.png salezJanek: im so into the church

FeralitowyWojtas: Im so into GOD

Default avatar.png salezJanek: hmm I can be your god if you want ((:

Uljahn: use DM guys

FeralitowyWojtas: no

FeralitowyWojtas: fuck off

Default avatar.png salezJanek: sorry

RayChen: hi, guys

RayChen: good night

Default avatar.png salezJanek: its 3pm in middle europe

Thorcode: you guy can make a god channel :D

Thorcode: why you kick me Uljahn?

Uljahn: you asked for this

Thorcode: oh I forgot that

Uljahn: next time is ban

Thorcode: why?

Thorcode: what have I done

Thorcode: Uljahn 07:49PM next time is ban is this text true?

Uljahn: pls keep the chat related to coding

Thorcode: ok I just worried to be banned

Thorcode: and lose my acc

Uljahn: nah, you acc is safe, you just lose the chat

Thorcode: ok I will keep clashing :D

Thorcode: yeah my rank up in clash

Astrobytes: Thorcode: we don't require a running commentary thank you

Uljahn: darkhorse64: if one of the unsolved nodes is a win then it's a loss for the parent child

Uljahn: which is worse than draws

darkhorse64: Thanks, I always forget to "change the sign" when backpropagating

Uljahn: https://imgur.com/a/G7iT54b

struct: oh I see

struct: I dont have that in my solver

MSmits: hey that's my pic

MSmits: i recognize the amateurish paint skills

MSmits: you can even make use of this during selection btw.

MSmits: don't select children that have at least 1 drawn child

MSmits: because those can no longer be wins

MSmits: only when all children have 1 drawn child, do you start selecting them

MSmits: as soon as one of them gets solved as a draw, the whole thing is a draw. So you're tackling the problem both from the selection side and from the solver side

darkhorse64: Although I do not use it in selection, I have a best/worst result in my node. Once solved, best == worst. This way, you can still backpropagate "at least draws", even if not all nodes are not yet solved.

darkhorse64: too many "not". Even if all nodes are not yet solved

Uljahn: here's another MSmits' pic https://imgur.com/a/WT2rvDU

struct: does your current bot has this features MSmits?

struct: these*

MSmits: no, the current bot has a TT only

MSmits: In the meta mcts program it's a nobrainer, but in the nornal bot it could only be a small improvement or none. It complicates things

struct: hmm, I might try

struct: it seems easy to implement

MSmits: it's not hard, just becareful at the root node

MSmits: you could have a root solved as a draw, with only 1 of its children solved

MSmits: all the other children will have at least a drawn node

MSmits: (child)

MSmits: but because of the pruning, the exploration stopped

MSmits: you can research the children or just select the fully solved node, the other ones will be draws or worse, so...

struct: yeah should not really matter much

MSmits: i think i'll go for the easy fix

MSmits: this helped me solve a little bit faster in drawn uttt games

struct: this should prune the tree a lot I guess

MSmits: but c4 has way more draws

struct: maybe not prune but it will help you to explore other nodes

MSmits: yeah, you know that that particular branch will be at most a draw, so it's better to go elsewhere

struct: time to open my tic tac toe mcts bot and test it there

MSmits: so even in non-drawn games you should have some benefit. Also our c4 with starting move 1 seems to be a solved draw, so that matters

MSmits: I say *seems* because i have no proof

MSmits: I continued my 7x6 solver for the 1 and 2 starting moves. Move 0 is a loss and move 3 is a win. I just realized this could take a day without the draw optimizations

MSmits: does anyone know if the 1 and 2 moves in c4 are draws?

MSmits: (normal 7x6 c4)

Default avatar.png sobirjon: hello!

darkhorse64: https://connect4.gamesolver.org/ will get you all answers

MSmits: thanks

MSmits: thats great

MSmits: 1 is a loss and 2 is a draw

MSmits: so it's loss-loss-draw-win from left to right

MSmits: seems consistent: https://imgur.com/a/cEBZAKL

MSmits: I could use this site to verify the whole tree

MSmits: or at least a sizable chunk. To see if i have bugs

darkhorse64: The source code for the solver (mm based) is also available

MSmits: oh, yeah i've seen several of those. Have you seen any based on mcts solver? It seems fairly rare

darkhorse64: Only MM so far

struct: you can even do post to get positions to check with yours

struct: this is how it looks with empty board

struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2506be05-f518-41a0-b843-3a96ed9322be

struct: after I play on center

struct: score: [-4, -2, -2, -1, -2, -2, -4]

ja_fica: sorry for spam C4...

MSmits: oh

MSmits: are you apologizing for our benefit ? :P

ja_fica: xD

ja_fica: This bot has openinig book + NN + TT

ja_fica: neether of them are good enouth

MSmits: oh you mean the submit. I thought you were apologizing for our c4 spam on chat

ja_fica: no xD

ja_fica: the submition

MSmits: you got wins vs me though

ja_fica: I'm trying several configs. I will try it local xD

ja_fica: the NN may behave fine sometimes

ja_fica: my bot is what I like to call very unstable

ja_fica: maybe I should remove TT for now xD

MSmits: ja_fica test vs a local bot that has a random component. Maybe one with extra calculation time to make it stronger

MSmits: going by the leaderboard seems like a bad idea

MSmits: with all those deterministic bots

ja_fica: yh, I don't really kow what to change

MSmits: you give it maybe 1 full second per move, but on the value calculation you do +- 0.05

ja_fica: NN outputs seems to be working very nice

ja_fica: at least ooutputs what I trained them for

MSmits: this reminds me of when i trained that TTT NN

MSmits: it could play perfectly 97% of the time

MSmits: 100% seems impossible

ja_fica: but my bot is losing too much

MSmits: yes but when it loses, how many mistakes did it really make. it could be only 1

ja_fica: I can try convolutions and use PUCT instead, but convs are much slower

ja_fica: good point of view

MSmits: You could try train a c4 7x6 bot and then test various architectures for your NN vs known positions to get a % for the number of mistakes it makes

MSmits: 9x7 should not be that different

MSmits: you can get a much better idea of what general approaches work well

ja_fica: I will try to use PUCT now, it seems to make sense

MSmits: also testing convolution and such

ja_fica: im just propagating the value of the state right now

ja_fica: im wasting the power of the NN

MSmits: you mean no policy?

MSmits: jace k never uses policy afaik

MSmits: and does well

ja_fica: I have tried multiple configs

ja_fica: this time I wanted to try a smaller network using only the value

MSmits: ahh ok

MSmits: i watched that documentary about alpha go

MSmits: with the game vs Lee Sedol

ja_fica: like jacek but the difference is that he backpropagates like minimax

MSmits: quite cool

MSmits: ah yeah it's very easy to switch between ept style backprop and his jacekmax thingy

MSmits: you can try both and see what works

MSmits: i never use his method either. I believe it works, but i never got it to work better and it doesn't really click with me

MSmits: that it is supposed to work

ja_fica: the version I use it is still a faster solver because of the TT

ja_fica: this last bot was not so terrible as the others

MSmits: ahh that's good to hear

martinpapa69: convolution works much worse on c4

martinpapa69: for me at least

Default avatar.png NlCKSTER: Hello

J_The_Legend: hi

Default avatar.png NlCKSTER: Im a self taught beginner in C++ any recommendations to better my skill?

J_The_Legend: hmmm

J_The_Legend: i am good at almost all languages naturally

J_The_Legend: i am not sure how to give youany tips here

Default avatar.png NlCKSTER: Nice im getting there, this website seems fun!

Default avatar.png ankan2526: hmm

Default avatar.png ankan2526: too much fun

J_The_Legend: try coding things that challenge you

colver123: :unamused:

jacek: Oo

JacobTheCoder: one day jacek is gonna be a mod i can feel it

TheBlueBias: :scream:

darkhorse64: Fear jacek ban hammer !!

Mortis_666: hi

MSmits: there is a good reason i don't want jacek to be mod

MSmits: he'd be forced to ban himself and then I'd miss him

struct: or he would stop trolling

TheBlueBias: Mods can't ban mods.

struct: mods cant even delete the account...

struct: their own account

TheBlueBias: Nobody can...

Astrobytes: He was actually offered the position of mod (believe it or not) but he excused himself on account of being a massive troll

MSmits: lol

MSmits: wait struct, don't tell me you found this out because you tried to delete yourself again?

MSmits: there must be some help-line fo rthis

struct: ofc, any mod is free to test it :)

MSmits: ahh ok

struct: or maybe its a bit risky :p

struct: and im joking

MSmits: well I am going to fill a hole again

MSmits: I dug it 2 days ago and now I am going to fill it again

Astrobytes: Just for the fun of it right?

MSmits: no, it's different type of sand

MSmits: tiling part of my front and backyard

Astrobytes: ah I see

struct: have fun

MSmits: thanks

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: hi! Just fyi, I am a kid, and most chats end up being innappropriate for my age, so please try to refrain from innappropriate convos on world chat byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Default avatar.png Luigis3: :pizza:

Astrobytes: Er... right

Default avatar.png Luigis3: Pete za

jacek: bloody hell

Astrobytes: Stop it Luigis3

Default avatar.png gjjkdfcjnsjfn: sorry i say that every time I join a new chat bc I am 12

Default avatar.png Luigis3: my bad

TheBlueBias: I know that MSmits. Almost no more place in my backyard, I dig up at least 2 or 3 corpses before finding a free emplacement... That's boring... :weary:

Astrobytes: :rofl:

MSmits: lol... no corpses here

MSmits: but my previous house supposedly had a car buried under my lawn

struct: lol

Astrobytes: A dead car?

MSmits: i never dug down to check. Neighbors told me this

struct: nice trolls

struct: Your neighbor was jacek

TheBlueBias: Oh... Do you rent ? :innocent:

MSmits: who knows

MSmits: i rent yeah

Astrobytes: Yeah. They probably were waiting to watch you dig a massive hole for no reason whatsoever

MSmits: lol yes

TheBlueBias: I mean as renter.

MSmits: got it

MSmits: wait

MSmits: no i dont

MSmits: are you asking to live with me, then the answer is no :P

Astrobytes: I think blaise means are you the landlord for that place

MSmits: nope

Default avatar.png omboyo: does anyone wanna help me with: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/63980336fc4b13ed3c23c5a8a6ebdfe836fe :smile:

MSmits: anyways ttyl

Astrobytes: Later. Don't forget to give us the 'hole' story when you come back

Default avatar.png RJ9: Hi I'm new I'm only 9 but I'm in GT so I kinda have to learn code

TheBlueBias: No. Just need another place to, huh... "tidy" my "clients". :rolling_eyes:

eulerscheZahl: "Already more than 10 000 players have registered to the event! Will you be there too? " who of you registered before the official announcement of the format?

MACKEYTH: I did

Wontonimo: i did

jacek: :(

struct: did they mail that?

TheBlueBias: I did.

Wontonimo: mail what?

struct: What euler said

Wontonimo: i dont remember

TheBlueBias: Well. BlaiSe did.

TheBlueBias: I registered after...

eulerscheZahl: yes struct, I got it per mail

eulerscheZahl: telling my why I should join the fun

eulerscheZahl: Hello, http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/709bac82-d5a7-4158-a3ae-ac868f8f7e84

eulerscheZahl: somehow none of their 3 points can convince me

niluthebear: those fun days when the contest starts :(

eulerscheZahl: and the submit takes 2h just to pass wood

struct: when 5/7 are related to team

struct: Not for me

TheBlueBias: The 3 are pretty discouraging

struct: but idc much about it anymore

struct: im doing other stuff anyways

Foxwizard5556: whats happening

TheBlueBias: Yes.

Wontonimo: the earth is rotating

Wontonimo: it may cause dizziness

MSmits: only if you don't pick the correct rotating frame of refence

MSmits: reference

TheBlueBias: &

MSmits: |

niluthebear: ^

TheBlueBias: Meh.

MSmits: we are doing favorite bit ops right?

TheBlueBias: Nope

MSmits: o

niluthebear: False

TheBlueBias: & is the reference symbol in c++

MSmits: oh

niluthebear: Oo

Foxwizard5556: haha nice one big brain

TheBlueBias: The 3yo kid is back :scream:

Foxwizard5556: oh yeah i am

Foxwizard5556: :burrito:

MSmits: you are a burrito?

TheBlueBias: Wontonimo gonna eat you...

Foxwizard5556: haha no i'm a :taco::hamburger:

jacek: taco?

Foxwizard5556: nah

Foxwizard5556: big brIANS

TheBlueBias: Who's brian?

Kafteji: brian is in the kitchen

Foxwizard5556: COOL

TheBlueBias: French joke Kafteji ^^

TheBlueBias: Anyway Foxwizard5556, 3 years old is a little young to go on internet...

MSmits: it's safe, he can't swallow his computer

TheBlueBias: :D

Astrobytes: Foxwizard5556: you're already on a warning.

Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl: 10 000? :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: lots of players register for the next event right after a contest

MSmits: I did too

Scarfield: yea i did that

eulerscheZahl: i might give jrke's Rubik a shot

eulerscheZahl: i always register last-minute

TheBlueBias: Needed it to unlock IA path on questmap...

eulerscheZahl: so now it works?

TheBlueBias: For a few days yes.

struct: you can always count the number of teams to get the actual players

Westicles: all the twitch guys seem to have switched from clashes to binarysearch

MSmits: batman?

Astrobytes: MSmits: yes?

Astrobytes: ah crap

Astrobytes: :P

Westicles: https://binarysearch.com/

MSmits: :)

eulerscheZahl: did they rename it?

Scarfield: lol Astrobytes

Astrobytes: :grin:

Scarfield: darkKnighstrobytes

MSmits: The bytes we deserve but not the ones we need?

Astrobytes: Scarlfred

Scarfield: xD

Scarfield: why do we segfault sir

Default avatar.png pardis: Does anyone need a team member, I can do c/c++/python

MSmits: then you're overqualified :P

MSmits: they should make a looking-for-team channel

Astrobytes: Scarfield: :rofl:

Default avatar.png pardis: Yeah everyone is doing that, so no one end up on any team

Scarfield: i think discord will be a better place to find a team pardis

Westicles: The only time I played I kept erasing Astro's code... that was fun

MSmits: you mean you were fixing bugs Westicles ?

Westicles: well, no...

Scarfield: but also yes

Astrobytes: my code?

Scarfield: was the sherlock escape any good?

struct: Programming 696 / 696pts (100%) BETTER THAN>99% Time to retire

UndercoverToad: I wish I were that good

Westicles: I think it was Astro... we were a team and I didn't realize code was shared

Scarfield: im definately gonna be better than >99‰

Westicles: then euler left and it all fell apart

JaYS: ‰ sure

Astrobytes: Wasn't me Westicles, I only played with T Bali, struc t and Scarfield

MSmits: Hey euler I heard from dreadylein that you were awesome on a contest he was in

Scarfield: oh you havent played the sherlock then, im up for it some day

MSmits: one part of it you beat everyone?

eulerscheZahl: i only did the coding tasks. by far the easiest track IMO (of course that's relative, depends on your skills)

Astrobytes: Sure Scarfield, not seen TBali around recently mind you

MSmits: ah ok

eulerscheZahl: there was 1 tasks where we had the first solve of all teams. then again there were 15 tasks open all at the same time and I started with that one

MSmits: ahh I see. Still kinda cool to be the first

eulerscheZahl: was a fun contest

Scarfield: im in no hurry, he will turn up again :)

eulerscheZahl: dready did the binary tasks

eulerscheZahl: that is: you have an executable file and have to figure out what that program does

MSmits: yeah he can do that kind of magical stuff

eulerscheZahl: that's why I asked him

Astrobytes: zeno on crypto/linux duty?

TheBlueBias: :(

eulerscheZahl: zeno was busy with work and didn't even tell us where he is until after the event :(

Astrobytes: ah OK

eulerscheZahl: eulerscheZahl — 10/18/2021 I was hoping for a more interesting story 😞 trapped in an elevator maybe. or on an escalator

MSmits: he was in hiding?

Astrobytes: TheBlueBias: what were you specialising in?

Westicles: zeno has been hiding from the french

TheBlueBias: Psychological support

MSmits: Trolling other teams?

Astrobytes: lol

Scarfield: "support"

eulerscheZahl: that's forbidden

MSmits: TheBlueBias is skilled, he knows where the line is

eulerscheZahl: zeno nominated Blaise btw

TheBlueBias: Oh?

Astrobytes: yeah I know

eulerscheZahl: Blaise or Westicles were his suggestions. One of them was online at the time, the other wasn't. on a coinflip

jacek: huh

jacek: is GA without crossover just some hill climbing?

eulerscheZahl: a few parallel hillclimbings I would say

Scarfield: GA without crossover would be MA

jacek: Meh Algorithm?

Scarfield: Mutation Algo

Scarfield: you could also have a mix of both and get MAGA

Default avatar.png azis_i_vanko1: hello guys

elisaado: hey goys

Uljahn: also looks like MC beam search

JacobTheCoder: i got my script done im just trying to put it in a "loadstring" but it isnt working...

JacobTheCoder: any idea on how i can fix that?


KayKay1202: hi

JacobTheCoder: hello

JacobTheCoder: ima go watch a tutorial hold on

KayKay1202: pls follow me

JacobTheCoder: why

KayKay1202: so i can challenge you on clash of code

JacobTheCoder: what type of code?

KayKay1202: and to makw friends

JacobTheCoder: im in class and im about to switch so illl follow you and msg you when im back on (i have a sub in math anyways)

KayKay1202: same

KayKay1202: i am at school

JacobTheCoder: yeah got all my work done so i figured "lets try to make my script a loadstring"

KayKay1202: my teacher has no clue

JacobTheCoder: but that didnt go as lanned

JacobTheCoder: go to dm

Default avatar.png zeplul: put code in pastebin and copy paste link into loadstring template

Default avatar.png zeplul: raw link*

KayKay1202: what is dm

JacobTheCoder: i msged you

JacobTheCoder: also thanks zep

AntiSquid: hahah Scarfield

AntiSquid: i prefer the Let's Go Automaton2000 algo

JacobTheCoder: hi squid

Automaton2000: are you looking for a way to make a game for cg ?

AntiSquid: no, i am not a squid :'(

AntiSquid: i always drive safely

AntiSquid: what's up JacobGreenslade

AntiSquid: JacobTheCoder

Scarfield: yea its a great algo, the best, many coders use it

JacobTheCoder: "JacobGreenSlade" - AniSquid 10/21/2021 02:08PM

jacek: no more loa talks eh?

AntiSquid: JacobTheCoder i used tab complete, maybe it would help you write my name :P

JacobTheCoder: oh it was no big deal jus the perfect time to quote someone :)

AntiSquid: wrote Jaco->Tab and got that, too many jacobs in chat, maybe you should clash to see who keeps the name

JacobTheCoder: im probably gonna change it to my YT

JacobTheCoder: but idk cause i dont do coding videos

JacobTheCoder: and its pretty cringy

KayKay1202: Hey

AntiSquid: now you can link your twitch coding stream and stream on youtube too ! the future is here

USSR_Chicken: and im waiting for the cringe comments about my name XD

USSR_Chicken: im probably gonna change it back

Seito_Shinkiel: can we not see the right answer for a clash ? it's frustrating

eulerscheZahl: a reverse task?

USSR_Chicken: i hate it when im doing clash and i just see the code

USSR_Chicken: just make me wanna

Seito_Shinkiel: I mean , can we see the answer, if we don't find the right solution for a problem ?

USSR_Chicken: i can

USSR_Chicken: sometimes atleast

eulerscheZahl: only if the other players decide to share their code

eulerscheZahl: if it's reverse and you can't figure out the task, search here: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/

jacek: shameless advertising

Default avatar.png Hidatara: can we see opponent answer for clash? idk about mine,just wanna know how that madafaka can fix the code XD

Mesmerize: A lot of the puzzles seem to have changed names - how come?

Wontonimo: lawyers

Mesmerize: or changed graphics

Mesmerize: I see

Wontonimo: lawyers part 2

jacek: should make puzzle about blood sucking lawyers

Wontonimo: or fear of lawyers

Wontonimo: may not have been lawyers. may have been management afraid of lawsuits

Wontonimo: I had a boss once who would regularly tell the law department at work to go suck it and not do what they said

Wontonimo: his response to me was that their job is to advise, not dictate. And lawyers don't particularly make good business decisions, if they did we'd see more Lawyer CEOs

USSR_Chicken: hi Wontonimo

USSR_Chicken: very interesting

Wontonimo: hey JacobTheCoder :wave:

USSR_Chicken: i got my friend to help me out and i made my own mod menu for multiple games like gta, firtnite and all those

USSR_Chicken: fortnite*

USSR_Chicken: im working on one for minecraft and roblox

USSR_Chicken: but yeah

SandmanSW96: heya kylaro

TheBlueBias: Enter sandman.

bearnilu: hello

Default avatar.png vedantiscool2010: hi

tobk: What happened with some of the Covers? Did CG get a cease&desist from Disney?

Astrobytes: Pre-emptive I think, due to growing as a company and being taken over

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: I guys I am really new to this - I am on Cosers strikes back and my code is valid but it just goes to dust immediately, any idea why?

jacek: is it that destrinationY and destinationY?

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: no, im past that, it's the angle part

Astrobytes: what happens?

Astrobytes: Pod doesn't move... goes the wrong waY?

Astrobytes: *way

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: I think it the way I am using else

Astrobytes: you can paste your code here

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: what was happening was the game just stopped in a dust storm

derjack: and what exactly is that "coders strike back" you speak of?

jacek: so you program crashed?

Astrobytes: derjack: get back in the jacek box

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: mate, I am a total beginner

jacek: do you have any errors under the viewer?

Astrobytes: Seems like it crashed.

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: CS8641: 'else' cannot start a statement.

Astrobytes: just paste your code in here (in chat)

jacek: so program didnt even compile

Astrobytes: (It will pastebin automatically)

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3c90bd28-36cb-4c36-9601-f4c92d6a9fdb

Astrobytes: you missed a }

Astrobytes: before the else

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: ah

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: but I don't need one before the IF?

Astrobytes: can you post all the code please? It's not possible to see your nested braces

jacek: you just have more { than }

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: Bear with me, it looks like a three year old has been at it with a crayon...

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/89f00696-461b-4c8f-835e-511207557c49

Astrobytes: 1. You don't need { and } around your print to stderr

Astrobytes: 2. Fix that brace I told you about

Astrobytes: 3. Print your actual output to stdout not stderr

Astrobytes: (point 1: your first print)

Astrobytes: 4. remove that brace on line 37

Astrobytes: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5a0b73f9-c3e0-4e36-a942-a2d0e45b873a

Astrobytes: 5. There is a semicolon after your initial if condition. Remove that

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: I'm getting a timeout

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: still getting the crash :D

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ec509a0f-0e54-4600-8d35-cc4a353bd806

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: If think that is cleaner

Astrobytes: See my earlier point 3

Astrobytes: change to Console.WriteLine for the outputs within your if-else clauses

Astrobytes: Right now you are only printing to stderr

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: ahhh

Astrobytes: and you still have an extra }

Astrobytes: Oh wait, no you don't, just poor indentation ;)

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: Maybe I should take indentation classes :D

Astrobytes: lol, if you're using this style just get each closing brace to align with the opening brace, pay attention to the IDE

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: It is weird, I write these codes, it crashes loads then I get promoted to the next league...

Astrobytes: Does it work now?

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: yeah it runs

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: I refreshed the browser

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: Thanks btw

Astrobytes: np

Astrobytes: Now you know the kind of things to look out for and be careful of

jzen: Is there any way to modify contributions post-approval?

Moncef_dev:

Astrobytes: TheBlueBias: Sent you a Sabbath concert on discord

Default avatar.png passionismymiddlename: I dont understand this am too dumb

Default avatar.png passionismymiddlename: I NEED SOMETHING EASY

Astrobytes: Stop shouting ffs

Astrobytes: What are you trying to do?

Default avatar.png passionismymiddlename: am trying to be good at python

Default avatar.png passionismymiddlename: but am failing

Astrobytes: which puzzle are you doing, and are you competent in basic python?

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: Maybe a stupid question here... but where would I go to become competent at basic c#...

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: am doing "easy" puzzles like pedestrain traffic and i have no expirience in python

Default avatar.png Rick-o-matic: I thought I would start here, but it seeming a little of a stretch for my grey matter

Astrobytes: passionismymiddlename: here they assume basic working knowledge of at least one language, basic logic etc

Astrobytes: It's more for building on what you know

Astrobytes: Rick-o-matic: same as above

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: uh huh but is there anything that can support starting

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: out

Astrobytes: passionismymiddlename: are you experienced in any other language other than python? If not, it's best to learn elsewhere, this site will not teach you any language. It will force you to learn more about your given language and focuses more on algorithms

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: No but maybe i can just watch some indian tutrorials

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: and then i can build off of that i will see what i can do

Astrobytes: Again, this is not the site to learn your first language. But if you want to learn at the same time elsewhere and practice here then feel free :)

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: ok 4 hours is waaaaayyyyy too long

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: whatever

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: thanks for the words and advice

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: i have already learnt basic stuff in 2 minutes yay

Astrobytes: ...

Default avatar.png MeBen: ...

Default avatar.png redrhyno: ,,,

Gabbek: Good evening, Astrobytes!

Default avatar.png passionisNOTmymiddlename: :_[

Gabbek: passionismymiddlename - if you want to learn more about python I would suggest one of the websites that's focused on the language teaching, for example: jetbrains academy

TheBlueBias: Thanks Astrobytes. I'll take a look tomorrow, time to sleep a little for now. ^^

TheBlueBias: GN

Gabbek: good night

Astrobytes: gn TheBlueBias

Porsuk: does anyone know the last requirement of coding speed tree?

Wontonimo: go fast. sonic fast

LelouchVC2: my code is already going the speed of light

Wontonimo: literally

Wontonimo: Porsuk, what tree is that? There isn't one called "coding speed"

Thorcode: it is speed tree

Thorcode: not coding speed Wontonimo

rizonbro: hi

rizonbro: I am back

Default avatar.png Arces: hello

TechnoBot: Hello.

bingler: my name is sam the samba man and I live in samba land. catch me if you can!!!

Default avatar.png Leejuwoo: help

TechnoBot: hi

Default avatar.png Leejuwoo: I can't solve the 'war' last problem PAT of the coding game.

TechnoBot: srry

TechnoBot: i didn't do that either

TechnoBot: i didnt solve it i mean