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MiyamuraIzumi: well, I am from Mars

Default avatar.png StopDiscriminatingAsian: well, I am from a jail

swaggycat: helloooo

ProCoder03: I was born in Mars (March in German) :sunglasses:

OwlGifter2.0: i am really unefficient with 2d arrays in java, i be filling out constraints for every posibility

ProCoder03: try 2D arrray in C !!

OwlGifter2.0: i dont know C T~T fairly new to programming and java is the first programming lang. im learning ;-;

ProCoder03: what are you going ??

ProCoder03: with 2D arrays

ProCoder03: *doing

mr.bossman: ah there ar multiple types ... try 2D arrray in C !!

OwlGifter2.0: well im doing the reverse minesweeper puzzle

OwlGifter2.0: and for each x im basically setting all array values around the x to 1 and it has become 99+ lines of code to do the simple ones ;-;

ProCoder03: That's Java :wink:

OwlGifter2.0: is it really? T~T im exhausted lmao

OwlGifter2.0: i think i need another 200+ to fit all the possible conditions lmao

MiyamuraIzumi: you could see other published solutions after you solve a problem

OwlGifter2.0: i know

ProCoder03: Did you finish ASCII art OwlGifter2.0

MiyamuraIzumi: solve the problem by yourself first, then check for others

OwlGifter2.0: the problem is im too lazy to code it all and i know there should be a better way of doing it ;-;


OwlGifter2.0: and ummm no ;-;

OwlGifter2.0: i gave up on that one hhh

ProCoder03: Then do it first, its 2D array

MiyamuraIzumi: so the main problem is your laziness, not your code

OwlGifter2.0: ummm i mean yeah i guess

OwlGifter2.0: i just wanna be more efficient

OwlGifter2.0: not really wanna code 300+ lines for an easy puzzle ;-;

ProCoder03: I understand :P

OwlGifter2.0: and thank you procoder, ill give that a try again as when i gave up on it i hadnt learned arrays yet

OwlGifter2.0: :D

ProCoder03: Just tinker around with arrays for 1 week locally

OwlGifter2.0: ok ill give that a try :D

ProCoder03: every CG puzzle can be solved 10% with Arrays atleast..

OwlGifter2.0: ill try my best to learn arrays, thank you :D

dreadylein: @OwlGifter2.0 if people have the feeling you put effort into it, asking questions here will nearly always find someone willing to help you if you get stuck

ProCoder03: yeah CG has the most hospitable community ever

dreadylein: if they dont feel like you wawnna be spoonfed thats true :D

OwlGifter2.0: i know its just i feel stupid for trying to code it in such an long manual manner ;-;

dreadylein: eh, dont do that hehe

OwlGifter2.0: xD

ProCoder03: I too feel like that sometime hehe

ProCoder03: Its normal..

OwlGifter2.0: im trying not to but i felt the same way when instead of using for loops i would use more variables, it was a dark time xD

dreadylein: i crossed the boarder on 2 decades coding and feel the same, so all good :D

dreadylein: you will always learn ways to organize stuff nicer

OwlGifter2.0: ok ok good to know, yeah its not a pleasant feeling

OwlGifter2.0: and i just found out today that when you complete a puzzle you get access to other peoples answers so i can adjust my code and adapt it from their responses xD

Thorcode: Owl solo clash?

Thorcode: sorry husoki I can't join my clash cuz my network crash

Thorcode: bored

DerMert: :flag_eg:

Thorcode: solo? dermert

Thorcode: thor gona beat you

DerMert: what is that?

Thorcode: COC

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: hahahaa wtf

DerMert: clash of clans?

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: clash royale 1v1?

Thorcode: yeah

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: hahahahaa

Thorcode: ok

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: what deck u playin

Thorcode: how to solo clash royale

Default avatar.png Gussaci: Hä

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: egiant and elitebarbs

Thorcode: just mine and knight and tower

Default avatar.png Gussaci: Hat jemand 3?

DerMert: same bracuh auch 3

DerMert: brauch

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: pls send solution of this

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: we lazy and our teacher wants us to finish this

DerMert: thorcode did you do number 3?

DerMert: pls help

Thorcode: in ?

DerMert: MIME type

Thorcode: oh

Thorcode: you want to solve clash royal ?

DerMert: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/mime-type

Thorcode: I haven't solve it

Thorcode: I solve another one

Thorcode: bruh

DerMert: ah

DerMert: well

Default avatar.png Gussaci: Who r u?

Thorcode: and that is deck in Clash royal

DerMert: ????

Thorcode: oh you haven't played clash royal?

DerMert: yes i have

Thorcode: Gussaci 01:52PM Who r u?

Thorcode: thor

DerMert: but im not talking ybout clash royale im talking about coding game

Thorcode: I know

DerMert: youre here at 9am for a reason

DerMert: have a life?

Thorcode: how do you know that

DerMert: cuz its 9 am

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: bc its 9 am lol

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: you from europe?

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: :D

Thorcode: nope

Thorcode: it almost 2PM in my country

Thorcode: lol

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: ohhh

DerMert: turkey?

Thorcode: no

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: you from the us?

Thorcode: no

Thorcode: VN

DerMert: waht is vn?

Thorcode: You guy look older than me

Thorcode: VIETNAMESE

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: oh sheeeeesh

DerMert: ohhh

DerMert: how u know what i look like?

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: we 17 and 18

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: ma brother

Thorcode: hold to your proflie

Thorcode: i'm 13

DerMert: 13 and u know how to coe?

DerMert: code

Thorcode: yeah

DerMert: thats impressive

Thorcode: I know it when i was in grade 4

Default avatar.png n.vaite: asilas

DerMert: wow

Thorcode: you and ivan are brother?

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: no

DerMert: yes

Thorcode: I'm confusing

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: he is not my biological one

Thorcode: bruh

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: he was adopted

Default avatar.png a3: asilas

Thorcode: lmao

DerMert: asilas

Thorcode: what is asilas

DerMert: idk the guy keeps saying it

Default avatar.png n.vaite: asilas

Thorcode: guy

Thorcode: what is asilas

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: hahahaha what

Thorcode: play some private clash ?

Default avatar.png a3: asilas

Thorcode: what is asilas

Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1979904498a5d9a64e78744059cfa138e5c4aba

Default avatar.png a3: it is asilas

Thorcode: lmao

Default avatar.png a3: there is no explanation

Default avatar.png a3: it is only asilas

Thorcode: bruh

Default avatar.png a3: it is not bruh

Default avatar.png a3: its asilas

Thorcode: ok

Thorcode: lmao

Default avatar.png a3: it is neither ok nor lmao

Default avatar.png a3: asilas

Uljahn: pls no spam

Thorcode: Coding game is quite in these day

Thorcode: how to know the highest mointain in the descent?

BlaiseEbuth: :straight_ruler:

Thorcode: bruh

Default avatar.png Alejandro127: good morning

Default avatar.png MeBen: Thorcode you're given the height of all mountains as input each turn

Thorcode: thanks

Thorcode: bruh

Thorcode: it have a solution

Default avatar.png MeBen: I'm not sure what you mean. It's very simple.

Thorcode: in hint it have solotion

Thorcode: well

Thorcode: I solve it

Default avatar.png MeBen: nice, well done

Thorcode: how to use the last line in ascill art

Default avatar.png MeBen: Part of these puzzles are to figure things out by yourself :P

Thorcode: bruh

Thorcode: I solved most of the puzzle

Thorcode: to start in easy

Thorcode: but ascill art is hard

Default avatar.png MeBen: It gives you the ascii art

Thorcode: yeah

Thorcode: the last line

Thorcode: I rather tried shadow of the knight

Thorcode: try

Uljahn: what is the last line?

Thorcode: the ascill code line

Uljahn: ascii-art is multiline, it's in the loop

Thorcode: oh

Uljahn: read the descrition

Uljahn: description

raizbro: hi'

Thorcode: where is the last line in code

raizbro: oh

raizbro: I kno


Thorcode: oh

Thorcode: can you help me

Uljahn: :rolling_eyes:

raizbro: for

raizbro: that

raizbro: you

Thorcode: yeah

Uljahn: use DM guys

raizbro: need

raizbro: to

Thorcode: ok

Thorcode: yeah

raizbro: fowlling

Uljahn: no spam here

Thorcode: ok

Thorcode: well you are the rule keeper in chat Ulijahn

Uljahn: im trying to be nice

Thorcode: yeah

Default avatar.png Gussaci: Hat wer?

Thorcode: why today has too many australia guy

Default avatar.png Gussaci: austria du kek

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: hahahaha

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: gussaci is my 2nd brother

Uljahn: pls use english here

ProCoder03: Gussaci This is only for english, use #de

DerMert: :nerd:

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: im sorry daddy procoder03

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: im your kitten

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: and youre my master

Thorcode: wow you have many bro ivan

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: uwu

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: hahahahaha

Uljahn: you're too talkative for a lvl 3, aren't you supposed to practice coding here?

raizbro: no

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: im not here bc its fun

DerMert: were here bcuz we have to

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: our teacher forces us to do some things

DerMert: its kinda fun ngl

Uljahn: so you don't really need the chat

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: i need it

raizbro: what

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: so we can communicate

Justin-Truong: why

raizbro: why

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: why

DerMert: why

Justin-Truong: bruh

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: bruh

Justin-Truong: stop it

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: stop it

raizbro: stop it

Uljahn: you can create your own channel e.g. #austria

Default avatar.png ivanmusa: we can?

Default avatar.png Gussaci: a leberkas semmal

Thorcode: wow

Thorcode: how

Default avatar.png Gussaci: Omg i know u didnt kik ivan

DerMert: ISTG

Uljahn: next time is ban

Thorcode: wow

Thorcode: you can ban?

Justin-Truong: how powerful are you Uljahn

Uljahn: we have to keep the chat comfortable for those who is interested in coding

Justin-Truong: nice

Thorcode: gosh the fith test case I be like

Thorcode: what is the command to make a new channel Uljahn

Uljahn: use /help

Uljahn: there's /join roomName

Thorcode: oh

Thorcode: use /join

Thorcode: thanks

ProCoder03: #spam go here...

Uljahn: also #clash

Uljahn: there are no mods there, so you can go full ape

Thorcode: yes

Thorcode: I passed the ascll art

Thorcode: that tough

raizbro: WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Benji-the-scripter: hello?

Benji-the-scripter: "Uljahn 09:59AM we have to keep the chat comfortable for those who is interested in coding" Yeah right you relly did that to me yesterday

Benji-the-scripter: verry comfortable

Benji-the-scripter: very*

Uljahn: maybe you should actually do more coding instead of flooding the chat and complaining

Uljahn: also read this: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct and this: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/moderation

Uljahn: "Should you have an issue with a moderator, please contact another moderator or CodinGame's community manager directly ([CG]Thibaud)."

Benji-the-scripter: not to any help

Benji-the-scripter: btw no help from you

Uljahn: "remember that they don't have to answer you"

Uljahn: im not a CG employee, just a regular user, i have my own work to do

Thorcode: guys

Thorcode: could you help me

Thorcode: I need your like on faceboook

Thorcode: to win this competition

Thorcode: to take the money from it to upgrade my latop

Thorcode: please

Thorcode: https://www.facebook.com/groups/300639484090442/permalink/1005365200284530/

Thorcode: support me or you guys like it is ok

Benji-the-scripter: ok

Thorcode: Thank you

Benji-the-scripter: i support u

Thorcode: thank you wish you guy best luck

Thorcode: you guy Just like it

Default avatar.png gugrbywitkr: heyo

Benji-the-scripter: hello

Default avatar.png gugrbywitkr: what's up

ProCoder03: Thorcode is your other account Justin Troung ??

MiyamuraIzumi: Heyzo

MiyamuraIzumi: sup

Thorcode: ?

Default avatar.png GruelingPine185: hello

Thorcode: hi

Thorcode: shall you support me

Thorcode: guys plz

Uljahn: pls stop spamming

Thorcode: okk

Thorcode: pls help me

Uljahn: what's your question?

BlaiseEbuth: He wants help, not answers.

Justin-Truong: how to intput in php

Justin-Truong: input int in php

Justin-Truong: like make a var

Justin-Truong: pls help me

Default avatar.png Jazzar101: uh

Justin-Truong: so

Default avatar.png Jazzar101: try google

Justin-Truong: how to input number in php?

Justin-Truong: lmao

Justin-Truong: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2bebca9c-a4b8-41b2-bf80-4030c01d5651

Default avatar.png gugrbywitkr: $a = 5?

Justin-Truong: bruh

Justin-Truong: no like

Justin-Truong: (int)input

Justin-Truong: $year = (int)readline();

Justin-Truong: like thiss

Default avatar.png gugrbywitkr: fscanf(STDIN, "%d", $yourvariable);


Justin-Truong: THanks

Justin-Truong: alot

Westicles: so many 13yo Hanoians

Justin-Truong: yeah

Westicles: you guys should have a picnic

Justin-Truong: no

Justin-Truong: in VN there is still restriction

Justin-Truong: sad

BlaiseEbuth: Does this hanoy you Westicles?

Justin-Truong: what is hanoy

Justin-Truong: new words?

Justin-Truong: Thor and I almost the same

Default avatar.png MohED: :eye:

Default avatar.png MohED: :eye: :eye:

Default avatar.png MohED: :eye: :eye: :eye:

Default avatar.png MohED: :eye: :eye: :eye: :eye:

Default avatar.png MohED: any people here

Astrobytes: Yes. Quit spamming rubbish please.

Default avatar.png MohED: what do you mean with spamming

Illedan: Writing messages without any deeper meaning about life

Default avatar.png MohED: oh, I understand now

Default avatar.png MohED: sorry

struct: darkhorse64 I think you are right, loa could use a little more time, and it should be fine to reduce max turns to 150

struct: But I havent managed to make a good bot yet

struct: I think any time between 150-200 will work

struct: it wont be much because most battles vs bad bots will take like < 30 turns

eulerscheZahl: oh, so many eyes

struct: you have a match today euler?

Uljahn: a lower triangular matrix of identity matrices :sweat:

eulerscheZahl: yes. best of 5 today, first match in 4h 15min. will be streamed live on twitch with commenting

Astrobytes: fame at last!

eulerscheZahl: and 0.1ETH safe already

eulerscheZahl: played some test matches vs my opponent from today last week. he had to learn the hard way that he can't play vs me the same way as he does vs others

Default avatar.png MohED: against who you are going to play the match

eulerscheZahl: https://yare.io/replay/isygv1s24w1l3 the thing around frame 90 happened all the time when he got too close

eulerscheZahl: he won the match where he didn't try to disturb me though. but I improved a lot in the last week

struct: whats the twitch channel?

eulerscheZahl: i'm not 100% sure. but there was another match streamed 2 days ago

eulerscheZahl: In English on roxkstar74's channel: https://www.twitch.tv/roxkstar74 in Spanish on baumannzone's channel: https://www.twitch.tv/baumannzone

Westicles: I wonder if the teads puzzle is still out there somewhere

Illedan: Gratz on 0.1 ETH. that is some money

Wontonimo: I really don't understand how yare.io is making money, or how it is going to evolve into something that does

Wontonimo: it is all very hard-coded. at least if there were 5 different maps, but it's always the same map

Wontonimo: yeah, congrats eulerscheZahl on the ETH

Default avatar.png M0H07ED: wait a minute guys does yare.io give you ETH for wining javascript competition

Wontonimo: no

Wontonimo: it is a promotional match, to attract players one-time

Wontonimo: it may happen again sometime, but it isn't something you can join this late in the competition

eulerscheZahl: they are planning some game changes and another contest

eulerscheZahl: i suggested randomly generated maps, not sure if it will happen

Illedan: Of the same gameplay?

Illedan: What about C# support? :D

eulerscheZahl: they plan to change the rules. but no details announced yet

eulerscheZahl: you can use C# if you get it working yourself

Illedan: hm

eulerscheZahl: one player is using Rust via WASM

eulerscheZahl: C# also works with WASM, see Blazor

Default avatar.png NoahSK: hey guys!

Illedan: I know

Illedan: Maybe one da

Illedan: y

Illedan: Too busy these days

eulerscheZahl: these 5 months off from work must be really stressful :P

Wontonimo: :wave: NoahSK welcome

Default avatar.png NoahSK: ty

Default avatar.png Retorian: Hy

Wontonimo: :wave: Retorian welcome

Default avatar.png thibout: hey

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: WSP

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: :wave:

Wontonimo: :wave: Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf

Aduboahen: hey

Default avatar.png Aresmouth: hey

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: how is everyone

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: this morning/noon/night

Default avatar.png Aresmouth: almost the end of the day at the office :D

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: nice

Default avatar.png Aresmouth: & u

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Starting school

Default avatar.png Aresmouth: so good luck ! almost week-end !

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Yep

Wontonimo: anyone here new-ish who would like to be given an intro into bot battles?

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I need help on this loop thing

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm new

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I just started today

Wontonimo: there is a game called connect 4 and tic tac toe

Wontonimo: type

/join botbattles

and I'll chat there

Wontonimo: or click here #botbattles

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: What is everyone doing today

Default avatar.png Mirkoal: Hi, end of the week. First time here. (old programmer / dev)

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: nice

Default avatar.png essaberYahya: hi

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Hi

Wontonimo: hey Mirkoal, there is a lot on this site, like bot battles and puzzles.

Wontonimo: what kind of dev work have you done?

brule: !

brule: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brule: :peace:

brule: :peace:

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: hi

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Hi

Uljahn: pls stop spamming

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: srry just want to talk to some one

Uljahn: so your "want to be a coder" is a lie all along

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: ???

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: No

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm just bored rn

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I do want to be a coder

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: the college I want to go to MIT College

Default avatar.png MasterCyph3r: Bro i'm so glad i found this site!!!!

Default avatar.png demooo: I also wanted go to MIT. I was rejected

Westicles: brass rats for everyone

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: damn that sucks

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I just some one to talk to I'm bored AS FUCK

eulerscheZahl: that's not our problem

Default avatar.png demooo: you do realize you are talking to us right now right

Default avatar.png demooo: but you are using all your messages to ask to talk to someone

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: oh yeah sorry I'm in school and bored

eulerscheZahl: talk to your classmates

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: nah they doing their thing and they don't want to talk about coidng

Default avatar.png demooo: then say something about coding

chorusjourney: Hi guys, I have create a class before the main class of the Scrabble test, I made getters/setters, but it always responde null when I use a get. Do you know if I can't create/use class that I made?

Default avatar.png demooo: place your code on a code sharing website so people can look at it

eulerscheZahl: did you create an instance of that class?

eulerscheZahl: you can just paste your code here

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: ????

chorusjourney: Euler I really post here?

eulerscheZahl: yes

Stilgart: yep

chorusjourney: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3cb31e82-e8b3-4ad0-a9c1-2f081bba0258

Stilgart: see ;)

eulerscheZahl: magic

chorusjourney: Ahah right I though I'll trash the chat

chorusjourney: Tx

eulerscheZahl: value = this.value;

eulerscheZahl: should be: this.value = value

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: ????

chorusjourney: Damn....

Stilgart: gg euler

eulerscheZahl: sometimes it's the stupid mistakes, I almost overlooked it as well

Stilgart: (I missed that one)

chorusjourney: Tx for your help, very kind

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I need help with python 3

eulerscheZahl: int pos = ((int) a) - 97

int pos = a - 'a'

eulerscheZahl: does the same thing

chorusjourney: a is my variable, it's char, that I want to link to a number in a tab

eulerscheZahl: i know

Stilgart: a char is an int, actually

Stilgart: sort of

eulerscheZahl: but that 97 is the ASCII code of the letter 'a'

chorusjourney: Aaah yeah I know what you mean now

eulerscheZahl: and you don't have to write it as 97 (which you can do of course)

Stilgart: I wanted to say that a char is an integer

eulerscheZahl: but 'a' is more readable than 97

Stilgart: and easier to remember too

eulerscheZahl: maybe we should rename the variable a by c (like character) to avoid confusion

eulerscheZahl: c - 'a'

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: .........................

chorusjourney: So you mean that if I write a - 'a' will return to me the difference between my char and the first letter of alphabet?

Stilgart: Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: you won't have any answer if you don't ask a specific question

eulerscheZahl: ask your question and stop asking to ask. my urge to kick is rising

eulerscheZahl: 'a' takes the ASCII value of that character. it gets replaced by 97 during compilation

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: oh ok

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm am borecd

eulerscheZahl: you told multiple times

eulerscheZahl: this chat is not the right place to compensate for that

chorusjourney: Hum, I understand, I learned things like this with C

eulerscheZahl: in C you can also do -'a'

Default avatar.png MeBen: The amount of nonsense you guys have to deal with in this chat is astonishing

eulerscheZahl: sometimes it's hard to be patient. but i don't want to instantly kick/ban everyone

Stilgart: would be nice to have a title

eulerscheZahl: title? like PhD?

Stilgart: sometimes, it is just that people do not know how to interact with a chat

eulerscheZahl: aah, a header text to explain

chorusjourney: Very cool tips, don't thougth that it work on Java too, tx a lot

Stilgart: a banner to tell people to directly ask their question, and so on

Stilgart: and to avoid MPs

Default avatar.png MeBen: IRC etiquette, basically

Stilgart: (they are a real knighmare on CG)

Stilgart: -k

eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1thdi4g discord has this on #general

Stilgart: +t

Stilgart: this should help at least a little

eulerscheZahl: what annoys me the most: when people keep asking me general questions (e.g. like to get into coding, where to start) in a private message rather than using a public chat

eulerscheZahl: * i feel obliged to answer

  • i might be biased or don't know some good resources that others can give

Stilgart: I can't understand why, but it is really ANNOYING

Stilgart: I can*

Stilgart: my english is really broken today :/

eulerscheZahl: i see you get those messages too :D

Stilgart: and tabs that keeps poping for days

Default avatar.png MeBen: Maybe a pop up like you get in Discord that tells you the rules and basic etiquette before you can start chatting would be a good idea

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm the only one here form USA

Stilgart: pretty sure you get one when you reach lvl 3

eulerscheZahl: it's more realistic that this chat will disappear and only leave discord for interaction I fear

Default avatar.png MeBen: Would be a shame just for the rare clash interaction I encounter

Stilgart: Discord is not suitable for chat anyway

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: https://www.codingame.com/ide/42905866413ff7b3c33af8a04224be91144c2bca

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: HELP

Default avatar.png MeBen: We can't access your IDE session. If you want help, ask for something specific and we can try our best.

Stilgart: Something wrong happened Only the CodinGamer associated with this testsession can access it

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: FUCK

struct: chill

Default avatar.png MeBen: Calm down

Default avatar.png demooo: I think we might be getting trolled

Stilgart: would be easier to tell us the title of the puzzle and to ask a concrete question

Default avatar.png MeBen: I think they're just young to be honest, with that name and everything

Westicles: Astro has banned him like 20 times now

chorusjourney: And the fact that he's 14

struct: rules still apply

eulerscheZahl: Damocles sword is pending over his head already, don't worry

Default avatar.png demooo: You said discord was bad for chas @Stilgart. What makes you have that opinion? It's a chat app

Stilgart: did i miss something ?

Stilgart: afaik, discord was an voip app to begin with

chorusjourney: For me it's less reachable

Default avatar.png STOP4643: ㅗㅑ

Default avatar.png STOP4643: hi

eulerscheZahl: somehow i just like this chat. feels more casual to me than discord

Default avatar.png STOP4643: help me..........

Stilgart: and adding a chat above it makes it slow and ugly (to my eyes at least)

Default avatar.png demooo: Discord is indeed a voip app but I believe that, even at launch, discord had fully fledged chat functionalities

Default avatar.png STOP4643: help

Stilgart: starcraft 2 has a chat too :)

Default avatar.png demooo: STOP4643, ask the question you need help with. Don't ask for help without any more info

Stilgart: but I won't call it a chat app

Default avatar.png demooo: Discord chat is convenient and supports all functionality that 99% of individuals would desire from a chat app

Default avatar.png demooo: Not sure where it is even remotely lacking. Chat it a 1st class citizen along with voice

Default avatar.png STOP4643: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/chuck-norris

Stilgart: either I want 3% of what others wants or chat apps exist since decades

eulerscheZahl: you mean 1.84%?

chorusjourney: @euler I pass my first test but I have other problems for the rest Tx for your help Have a good day to everybody:upside_down:

Stilgart: it's 1.64% actually

Stilgart: (yes, I had to go to discord to check this one)

Default avatar.png STOP4643: It's too difficult.

struct: try to solve an easier puzzle then

Default avatar.png demooo: Not sure what you mean by that

eulerscheZahl: indeed, 1.64%. that's even worse

Stilgart: in my opinion, on discord, the pace is too slow to be a real chat, and too fast to be a forum

Stilgart: (and for the record, I don't like forums anymore)

Default avatar.png demooo: What do you mean by pace in this context? Is pace not defined by the members of the chat?

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: How old is everyone here

Default avatar.png demooo: old enough to write code

eulerscheZahl: your age * 2

struct: well cg discord has a decent number of members but 0 activity

Stilgart: their reactivity, the length of their answer, and so on

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: eulerscheZahl ur 28

Stilgart: and don't take it too seriously, it is just my opinion of discord ;)

eulerscheZahl: i muted most channels

Default avatar.png demooo: So are you specifically referring to the codingame discord, or discord as a whole?

eulerscheZahl: i mostly use discord as a news feed. contest announcements

Stilgart: all the discord rooms I went where about the same

eulerscheZahl: #external-contests is my favorite channel on CG discord

Stilgart: (less than 10)

Stilgart: maybe I am unlucky

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: #single_as_Fuck join if u are

eulerscheZahl: can i kick please?

Stilgart: but I prefer chat here on this webchat, and read stuff on reddit

Astrobytes: ban it

Astrobytes: hi btw

Stilgart: \o

eulerscheZahl: hi

struct: hi

Default avatar.png MeBen: I tried using Pidgin for this chat but since my account is tied to Github it doesn't seem to work

Stilgart: the cat is angry, the toad is angry, the turtle looks angry

eulerscheZahl: the troll is kicked

Astrobytes: Ah yes, a new turtle picture for you Stilgart

eulerscheZahl: i'm tensed. that's the right word i think

eulerscheZahl: yare in 30min

Astrobytes: Good luck!

Default avatar.png demooo: Then I can understand your opinion of the specific CG discord. I was confused because it seemed that you presented it as an argument for the application as a whole

struct: gl

Stilgart: MeBen: pidgin doesn't seem to work (but it is another story, this soft is on my forever-blacklisted list)

eulerscheZahl: i don't have many discord servers that i joined

Stilgart: cool, now I have a kawaii tab \o/

eulerscheZahl: i kicked but don't have that chat yet

eulerscheZahl: :tada:

Default avatar.png MeBen: Do you have a suggestions for a different xmpp client?

Astrobytes: Discord is my 'social media', as is CG

eulerscheZahl: recently some other mod banned a user and i got spammed to please unban

eulerscheZahl: then the chat server got a reboot and the ban was lost

Default avatar.png demooo: My primary social media is reddit, followed by discord

Stilgart: I am using gajim, even though I am not a big fan

eulerscheZahl: tried it for a bit. always was red in my task bar when a new message popped up

Stilgart: and I have absolutely no idea what a "social media" might mean :)

eulerscheZahl: back to webchat

Default avatar.png MeBen: What do you put in as password if you use OAuth2 to log into CG?

eulerscheZahl: gh67AL§

Stilgart: this chat and irc are probably my social media

Stilgart: for CG, I am using the webchat

Stilgart: (I really find it more attractive than discord)

Default avatar.png MeBen: eulerscheZahl: hunter2?

eulerscheZahl: there is some way to reset your password and turn your github login into email+password

Astrobytes: The thing that annoys me about the web chat, is the total lack of even relatively basic functionality (removing messages etc)

eulerscheZahl: i don't know the exact steps, never was in that situation

Astrobytes: And the most annoying thing about that is that we're stuck with it in this state.

eulerscheZahl: yare stream started https://www.twitch.tv/roxkstar74

struct: They should have added account age

struct: bans are useless

Stilgart: in fact, bans are usually useless

struct: at least when i kick/ban on discord i can choose to auto remove the messages

Default avatar.png demooo: what is the subject matter of the stream?

struct: its an AI tournament

eulerscheZahl: a bot contest

eulerscheZahl: i'm playing soon

Astrobytes: If we could remove the offending messages the chat would have a little more respectability. I shudder to think what kind of impression it makes on some new people when they see it at times

eulerscheZahl: hey, he can pronounce my nick :)

Astrobytes: Anyone with a brain can :)

eulerscheZahl: some say uler

Astrobytes: I know. It's a personal bugbear of mine lol. Must be a Euclid/Euler thing

Default avatar.png MeBen: I don't know the process of becoming a mod, but it seems weird that there's these features to make mods lives easier that just aren't implemented. Do you not have contact with the admins?

BlaiseEbuth: Admins ? There's no such thing...

Astrobytes: We do. We were informed that the web chat will never be updated.

Default avatar.png MeBen: Great

struct: darkhorse64 you here by any chance?

Stilgart: i didn't see him the last few days

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: me neither

struct: I need to still figure eval and learn some minimax stuff

struct: my depth 7 minimax loses to depth 5 ludii minimax :(

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: ikr it's kinda frustrating

Astrobytes: What don't you know wrt minimax struct?

struct: wrt?

Astrobytes: with respect/regard to

struct: i only know the basic

struct: alpha beta

Wontonimo: not negamax ?

Astrobytes: The key is getting the eval working very well first

Astrobytes: and yeah, negamax is cleaner

Wontonimo: it is a lot more like mcts backprop where you reverse the reward

struct: my mcts i doing better currently I think

struct: ill check it

Astrobytes: Are you using best move from previous depth? Any other move ordering?

struct: no move ordering at all

Astrobytes: Well I would strongly recommend implementing some

Wontonimo: if you do depth 7 and are losing to depth 5, then it is a question of eval

Wontonimo: if your depth 7 loses to your depth 5, then it could be a bug in eval or your tree logic

MiyamuraIzumi: dep 7 lose to dep 5 is normal, I think

struct: I dont think its detecting win properly

MiyamuraIzumi: a better move in dep 7 may actually not really good in longer run

struct: I mean lose*

struct: But I cant ask much from my 1 line eval

Astrobytes: Yeah as I said first of all, work on the eval, without it you have nothing.

struct: what score should my minimax returns

struct: if opponent can win in the next play

struct: so in 2 plys

struct: mine + opponent

Astrobytes: if the opponent wins you need to backprop loss for you and win for him

Astrobytes: negamax does help here as Wontonimo said, it's a bit more intuitive

Stilgart: MiyamuraIzumi: it may... but it should definitely not happen often

Stilgart: struct: -1

Stilgart: and I agree with negamax

BlaiseEbuth: Who's negamax?

Stilgart: the guy who invented the algorithm with the same name ;)

BlaiseEbuth: :o

MiyamuraIzumi: :D

MiyamuraIzumi: and ...

MiyamuraIzumi: I still don't see official announcement on FC2021 format

aCat: dates are still unknown?

Astrobytes: Yes. But format is confirmed as: Escape Room

struct: thibaud said it would be around Halloween

ZarthaxX: contest is a escape room??

Astrobytes: Yes.

ZarthaxX: so wont last ,uch

ZarthaxX: much

Astrobytes: couple of hours. No CP awarded

ZarthaxX: wtf

ZarthaxX: hi btw

Astrobytes: And team based

ZarthaxX: no troll??

Astrobytes: hi :)

Astrobytes: No troll.

ZarthaxX: tshirts awarded ??

ZarthaxX: this is so weird

Astrobytes: Tibo confirmed in chat the other day

ZarthaxX: no tshirts i guess?

Astrobytes: No idea man

struct: my minimax must be bugged

darkhorse64: struct: connected

struct: on depth 3 it cant find a win for some reason

Astrobytes: Lost interest as soon as it was confirmed as escape

struct: hi darkhorse64

darkhorse64: hi

darkhorse64: hii

Astrobytes: :)

struct: I finally managed to make a working bot

struct: I think increasing time might be a good idea yes

ZarthaxX: Astrobytes sameee

ZarthaxX: i wont be able to participate anyway

ZarthaxX: but f

Astrobytes: At least you know you're not missing anything

struct: also draw at turn 150 should be fine

struct: since most draws happen by move repetition

darkhorse64: great, you did better than me. 150 ms for 150 turns fits with CG constraints

struct: yeah and even then games wont be that long

ZarthaxX: feels nice actually yeah Astrobytes haha

struct: because most of them will be under 30 turns

struct: I saw games lasting 13 turns

struct: ill need to read these 50 pages to understand the game

struct: https://dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/m.winands/documents/Analysis%20and%20Implementation.pdf

darkhorse64: I plan to add pass, maybe change the color scheme and complete the statement. If I can figure out a decent, I may remove the 2nd league. I do not expect the game to be very popular. By the way, I noticed I goofed with Clobber statement. The turn duration is 150 ms not 100 ms

darkhorse64: *decent bot*

struct: oh

Astrobytes: If it gets potw it'll be *more* popular though

struct: game is quite hard tbf

aCat: Ah LOA - i wanted to implement it some day on CG ;p

aCat: Mark's thesis is complicated ;p

darkhorse64: Compared to clobber, it is much harder and clobber is not very popular. I guess it's because there is no obvious playing strategy

Astrobytes: which is what makes it interesting :)

darkhorse64: At least, for LOA, you have "rush the center with your checkers"

Astrobytes: fair

darkhorse64: If you dig the internet, you will find quite a number of tips for LOA, for instance old issues of Abstract Games https://www.abstractgames.org/

Astrobytes: interesting

darkhorse64: ofc, Winands papers are must read

Astrobytes: always

struct: also they say on the paper that 30% of the time is spent on generating moves

darkhorse64: Will 150 ms be enough for MM/MCTS to survive some times against NN ? When I see how NN fare for C4 whose simplicity allows for a tremendous number of rollouts, we may have concerns

struct: NN will dominate here

struct: hand written eval will have no chance sorry

Astrobytes: This goes for a number of games

struct: well the harder is to eval the game the better the NN does

Illedan: How many possible moves do you get each round on avreage?

struct: paper says 30

Illedan: Just add spells and some RNG and NN wont be a problem

struct: and dont forget fog

Illedan: Blind chess maybe?

Astrobytes: lol

struct: maybe ill finish the NN book instead of reading the loa paper

darkhorse64: The good news is that you still need to write a fast bot.

Illedan: What book?

struct: nnfs

struct: neural networks from scratch

Die-Die-Missile-Barrage: Hi

darkhorse64: Neural Network from Scratch (in Python)

struct: Grats eulerscheZahl

Default avatar.png demooo: quite intense games

struct: yeah when euler started losing the middle I thought it was lost

Illedan: What rank is now?

struct: he is going to the final now

struct: not today

struct: in 2 days

Astrobytes: well done eulerscheZahl :) That was ridiculously tense

struct: it also has these videos Illedan

struct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5dMEP_BbI&list=PLQVvvaa0QuDcjD5BAw2DxE6OF2tius3V3

struct: I havent read the book yet so I cant comment on it

Default avatar.png 65140: yo wassup

eulerscheZahl: oh, so many missed pings

eulerscheZahl: thanks everyone

Astrobytes: some of those games man... whooo

ZarthaxX: gzzz toaaad

ZarthaxX: replay plz?

eulerscheZahl: https://www.twitch.tv/roxkstar74

ZarthaxX: tyy

eulerscheZahl: ends right now but there's a recording of it

Astrobytes: I was literally on the edge of my seat

ZarthaxX: lmao

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: WSP

Astrobytes: You'll understand when you watch those games

ZarthaxX: in this game you could also interact as a human right?

Astrobytes: Yeah, with some effort. The opponent was playing manually in this case, in some little control panel he made

Astrobytes: Clearly a strong RTS player

eulerscheZahl: "I was literally on the edge of my seat" imagine me :D

ZarthaxX: ahhh

eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVKDB2WuPXg

eulerscheZahl: opponent's view

ZarthaxX: wait the guy coded a control panel=?

Astrobytes: Seriously man, I woulda been shaking!

eulerscheZahl: it's my usualy bed time. but i don't feel like i can sleep right now

Astrobytes: I was going back and forth between both streams

eulerscheZahl: and aecert will hate me when i perform poorly in the finals

Astrobytes: It's Friday, live dangerously :)

eulerscheZahl: that circle player is my nemesis

Astrobytes: Yeah I saw the discord messages on his stream

Astrobytes: Well, you've got 2 days

wlesavo: oh nice, grats

Astrobytes: hey wlesavo

wlesavo: hey

wlesavo: got some easy time at work with more researching and reading, so came back for sometime =) i was hoping for a contest but i understand there wont be one

wlesavo: so i try to get CoIF legend with heuristic python bot, expected it to be easier than it is

Astrobytes: Yeah, shame about the contest. That's a tough but great game, you can definitely get legend with python though iirc

wlesavo: yeah, i still have around 35ms and some ideas how to fill them

eulerscheZahl: CoIF is one of my favorites

Default avatar.png JBM: what about the contest?

Astrobytes: It's an Escape Room

Default avatar.png JBM: oh

wlesavo: euler i remember you saying so, one of the reasons i picked it :slight_smile:

Astrobytes: couple of hours, no CP

Default avatar.png JBM: haven't tried that out yet

Astrobytes: team-based

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah must be too atisocial to find one

Default avatar.png JBM: when is it btw?

Astrobytes: Not announced os of yet

Default avatar.png JBM: fall 2021

Default avatar.png JBM: so probably late december

Default avatar.png JBM: with the CG hemispheres

Astrobytes: I think Tibo said around halloween, but then he said it should be announced this week (iirc)

Default avatar.png JBM: can i try out the escape thingy on my own at a time of my choosing? (those who did)

Astrobytes: Yeah there's an introductory one and maybe another one you can do by yourself

Astrobytes: It's fun in a team, don't get me wrong.

eulerscheZahl: beginning this week

Astrobytes: ah ok

eulerscheZahl: week starts on Friday in France

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png JBM: TIL

Default avatar.png JBM: oh we eat frogs too

Default avatar.png JBM: so i heard

Astrobytes: :P

Astrobytes: Only problem I have is replacing the bot programming contest with Escape Room, I mean they already had an Escape Room contest earlier in the year... still, it is what it is

Astrobytes: darkhorse64: "If a position with the same player to move occurs for the second time, the game is drawn"

Astrobytes: re. LoA

Astrobytes: also, the Abstract Games magazine link is cool

struct: it depends on the tournament rules astro

Astrobytes: Yeah, I'm going with the ones in Winands paper

Astrobytes: These are the official rules. Some situations were not covered by the original rules. For these situations, the rules of the Mind Sports Olympiad (MSO) are used: 9. If a player cannot move, this player loses.2 10. If a position with the same player to move occurs for the second time, the game is drawn.

Astrobytes: just ideas

Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Ugh I'm Bored as fuck

struct: was bored sorry

Illedan: :)

Illedan: My eval in FB is damn hard to balance -.-

Illedan: 0.1 off and it is like it hates the ball

struct: just paste it here ill fix it :)

Astrobytes: :D

BlaiseEbuth: ezpz

Illedan: You need it all?

struct: yes

struct: But just to eval

struct: I dont need the entire code

darkhorse64: I can fix it too

struct: now I need to figure why my minimax cant find a win in depth 3

struct: Also I cant really understand their move generator on the paper

struct: at least for now

BlaiseEbuth: And behold a dark horse: and his name that sat on him was 64, and Thales followed with him... :smiling_imp:

Astrobytes: where's tric trac btw? Expected him to be on LoA already

darkhorse64: should I really implement the drawing rule ?

Astrobytes: Was more just food for thought tbh

darkhorse64: I can zobrist hash the thing

darkhorse64: which paper struct ? The winands one you quote ?

struct: yes

struct: 3.1.1 Move generation

struct: my way is kinda slow

struct: I can call moveGen 500k times in 100ms

struct: still if I fix my eval my bot should be decent

struct: I think my wincheck is fast

struct: but i dont use Quads like the paper says

struct: I use normal floodfill

Illedan: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/48c0bc24-b80b-4188-a2ea-77fe499306d9

struct: do you use ga vs dummy Illedan?

Illedan: SGA

struct: no idea how that works

Illedan: two simulations fighting and growing simultaneously

TheSun00000: hi

struct: seems to work well

TheSun00000: im nood

TheSun00000: noob*

ouxs: I WILL BE UR SINSI

ouxs: SENSI

TheSun00000: and I am a girl very bad in english

ouxs: IN A GOOD A WAY

Illedan: Stop spamming

struct: have you tried this in any other game?

Illedan: Yes

Illedan: But I want to try it more

Illedan: Just want 2nd or 1st in FB first

Astrobytes: quads? Like quadtree kinda thing?

Astrobytes: I didn't read the whole paper as of now

struct: like regions of the board

struct: I didnt read it all just a bit

Astrobytes: yeah, grouping it by 4 squares, quadtree

Astrobytes: Interesting. Will read the rest of the paper later

flipped_a_bit: how come I can't view some people's code after a clash?

Rhitakorrr: I think people need to opt into sharing it

flipped_a_bit: i thought the point of those was to find better ways of writing it...

Default avatar.png zaraptwillbebeaten: after each round they can chose to share or not

Default avatar.png zaraptwillbebeaten: most people do share

Default avatar.png zaraptwillbebeaten: you might've gotten into a lobby with a lot of bots

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