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Thorcode: could you guy offer me a easy puzzle in practice

Thorcode: thanks

Default avatar.png VHessCode: how do i kms

Default avatar.png VHessCode: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Default avatar.png VHessCode: :smile_cat:

Default avatar.png VHessCode: :runner_tone5:

Ednik: sucuk hot

DerMert: what

derjack: good morning

Default avatar.png gugrbywitkr: good morning

Default avatar.png Jackpos: Hi!

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: hi!!

Default avatar.png Edward.Zhu: hi

TimothyAlexisVass: Anyone here doing the codingame sponsored contest?

BlaiseEbuth: Done long before. Not doing it now, sorry.

TimothyAlexisVass: Did you complete it?

BlaiseEbuth: Yes.

Default avatar.png manuthecoder: hi

Enyx: Hello, I'm sorry if it's stupid but I found where I can upvote or downvote a contribution, but I can't find where I can approve or reject a contribution. Could someone help me please?

Default avatar.png JBM: do you need to?

BlaiseEbuth: "Verry nice. I love it"

Enyx: It was to complete the quest map. I don't really need to no but I wanted to x)

BlaiseEbuth: You need to have played 50+ public clashs to moderate clash contributions, and to be lvl20+ to moderate other ones.

Enyx: Oh ok so it's because I'm not level 20. Thanks for the answer, I didn't understand how I was supposed to do that

Westicles: Also, it needs to say 50 clashes on the leaderboard. For some reason most people have 1 or 2 less when they get the quest map for 50

ProCoder03: contributions unlock after you played 50 Clashes

Westicles: There have been like a million people complaining they have 50 on the quest map but can't approve. They always show 48 or 49 on the leaderboard. It isn't a public/private thing, something else

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: Help im stuck on second AI quest can someone hellp me with my code?

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: help*

derjack: hm?

Default avatar.png monsterx: :no_mouth:

KasparasVEVO: :family_mmg:

Default avatar.png MarTau: children

TimothyAlexisVass: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7361e10138c4a040c6ee05712f9ba5ed2b7e?comment=52226 Is it too hard?

KasparasVEVO: as uz klasikine seima

ProCoder03: English here KasparasVEVO

TimothyAlexisVass: "as to the classic family "

TimothyAlexisVass: KasparasVEVO, parašyk angliškai

ProCoder03: that moment when your bot defeats all other bot and finally decides to sit just below the boss :rage:

ProCoder03: :Sob:

ProCoder03: :sob:

dreadylein: classic

dreadylein: ^^

derjack: aww

Manopphysics: Hello There

ProCoder03: Hello

Manopphysics: General Kenobi!

Default avatar.png mrrobot-caretaker: Hello

Default avatar.png mrrobot-caretaker: What's up?

Default avatar.png mrrobot-caretaker: hey how can i join html clash

Default avatar.png MeBen: HTML isn't a programming language, so an HTML clash wouldn't make sense. Maybe you're thinking of JavaScript?

BlaiseEbuth: JavaScript isn't a programming language either...

Default avatar.png MeBen: Of course it is

derjack: is mayonaisse a programming language?

Default avatar.png MeBen: If you write an interpreter for mayo it well could be

Pantoine: It would be an interpreted language then

Default avatar.png MeBen: An interpreted programming language, yes.

derjack: loa sim seems to be finished. but its so slow

Default avatar.png magnuww: ie

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: help im stuck on second AI quest and need help, someone know what to do?

Uljahn: is it "Your first bot" quest?

derjack: im stuck, help step-mods

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: yes "first bot"

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: what to do?

Uljahn: it asks you to reach bronze league, click the quest knob to go to bot ai games

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: ?

Uljahn: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: ok

Default avatar.png Benji-the-scripter: thx

Uljahn: choose one and reach bronze league

Benji-the-scripter: ok

Benji-the-scripter: i check now

Benji-the-scripter: how to code is my real question, i dont understand this with angels

Uljahn: it seems you can't do the quest yet

Benji-the-scripter: im new okey

Benji-the-scripter: i started right now

derjack: coders strke back should be easy for bronze

Uljahn: there are other games without angles

Benji-the-scripter: i try but i cant code

Benji-the-scripter: im a fricking noob im trying to say

Uljahn: this site is meant for practice, not for learning from scratch

Benji-the-scripter: this is all i know about coding x, y and nothing more. Thats why im trying =(

Om1234: hello guys

Om1234: noice

Benji-the-scripter: hi

Default avatar.png Gamer1603: hi

AmazingPro: hi

derjack: c-c-c-...

AmazingPro: can anybody check out my contribution and vote up?

ImSoNuts: how do you see other ppl codes in clash of code please ?

ImSoNuts: or maybe, nobody shared... it's a first time for me :x

derjack: you can see only the shared ones

Default avatar.png HarlRoehm: help

ImSoNuts: ok, so that means nobody shared i guess... nevermind ^^

Default avatar.png Rimka_93: hi

Default avatar.png Kastanie: :eggplant:

AmazingPro: hi

AmazingPro: please vote up my contribution

AmazingPro: thx much

Uljahn: :thumbsup:

AmazingPro: крутяк

AmazingPro: 42 уровень круто

derjack: :scream:

struct: hi

AmazingPro: hi

AmazingPro: vote up my contribution pls

AmazingPro: thx much

BlaiseEbuth: Downvoted :thumbsup:

AmazingPro: ok

AmazingPro: i dont underdstant how you rich so big level, cause u destroy a newbie contributors, downvote to u

Scarfield: colors are weird in the IDE o0

AmazingPro: ah anyway you just lonely rude person its ok

struct: jacek have you faced any non moving state yet?

BlaiseEbuth: "newbie contributors" that's the problem.

BlaiseEbuth: Beginner shouldn't create contributions just to validate questmap, or gain xp.

BlaiseEbuth: Furthermore, there's a moderation system with a dedicated page.

BlaiseEbuth: If someone want to moderate contributions, he goes there.

BlaiseEbuth: This way, interested people will see your contrib, other will not...

Default avatar.png neo_0: do the tests get hard with levels?

BlaiseEbuth: Excepted if you ask for attention on the chat.

Default avatar.png MeBen: One could argue that the quest map probably shouldn't incentivize beginners to make contributions

BlaiseEbuth: I don't go on this page anymore because what I see on it make me sad.

BlaiseEbuth: But you asked, so I went to see. And I given my opinion.

BlaiseEbuth: If someone disliking what you do look like rude for you, well, don't post things publicly?

BlaiseEbuth: Nor moderate them MeBen... We said this since the questmap was released.

Default avatar.png MeBen: Seems like they're going for quantity over quality

Astrobytes: Yep.

Scarfield: YepstroBytes

BlaiseEbuth: Astrobyep

Westicles: It works okay if you get intervention for the zimablues

Astrobytes: Positivefield

BlaiseEbuth: Zima, eve and robin are on a boat...

eulerscheZahl: hello

Scarfield: hi :wave:

struct: hi euler

eulerscheZahl: btw smartwatch arrived today. ignore my negative vibes about Huawei, all good

jacek: oO

jacek: now they know everything about you, your bots, your code

eulerscheZahl: only that one code. but i think it's visible to everyone anyways

eulerscheZahl: oh no, it isn't

jacek: hm?

struct: usually cf code is available for everyone jacek

eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ico_nz15HAg&t=47s what is he doing at 47s? coding in windows explorer?

eulerscheZahl: they didn't manually publish the codes for that optim contest. i guess they just forgot

BlaiseEbuth: A hacker! :scream:

struct: writing on a notepad

eulerscheZahl: and at 1:33 he says 5 days marathon. codeforces website clearly says 4 days

struct: jacek I played millions of random games and cant find a state that has no moves for the current player

jacek: a little polished text https://img19.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/1259417543_by_logan_600.jpg

jacek: struct me neither

eulerscheZahl: *Polish text

PatrickMcGinnisII: she rolling a big ass blunt on a waxpapered keyboard?

PatrickMcGinnisII: If there's no :pouting_cat: in the pic it didn't happen

Westicles: kind of interesting... 11 deleted puzzles

Westicles: https://chadok.info/codingame/puzzles_completion.html

jacek: huh

Default avatar.png pyprog: wello

Default avatar.png pyprog: hello

Default avatar.png pyprog: hello

Default avatar.png pyprog: hello

Default avatar.png pyprog: hello

jacek: bye

eulerscheZahl: 11 puzzles that we know about. Stilgart got them from his XP history

jacek: why would they be removed

jacek: and how

eulerscheZahl: low rating, CG bot

eulerscheZahl: and a few even manually I think, before the bot existed

BlaiseEbuth: Missing a "removed optim" category... I'll tell him.

eulerscheZahl: you can still see them when you tinker with the URL. e.g. https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/bet-payout-calculator

eulerscheZahl: which optim did we lose?

eulerscheZahl: aaah

BlaiseEbuth: TGD :cry:

eulerscheZahl: the great dispatch

eulerscheZahl: that was a good one :(

Westicles: you can still play it though

eulerscheZahl: i know

BlaiseEbuth: 'f course

eulerscheZahl: why TGD? it was nice and all. can't we just sacrifice Aneo?

eulerscheZahl: i don't know the company, all that comes to my mind is a boring puzzle

BlaiseEbuth: It's planned iirc

eulerscheZahl: i won't miss it

Westicles: wait, you can still play all the deleted ones?

BlaiseEbuth: Of course

eulerscheZahl: and get the XP afaik

Westicles: oh boy

liboy129: wsp

liboy129: :taco:

liboy129: :burger

BlaiseEbuth: "removing" mean removing the link. Any delete in db could erase the entire website... :smirk:

Westicles: cool. anybody have the list?

eulerscheZahl: just use the chadok list and replace /training/easy in the URL with /ide/puzzle

BlaiseEbuth: They made a little script to 'unmod' me after a server reboot. I regularly see the mod icon coming back, and disapear short time after... Simpler than correcting the real problem :p

eulerscheZahl: ./BlaiseEbuth.sh

liboy129: noise

BlaiseEbuth: ./vaderetro.sh

liboy129: https://Discord.com/ForwardAssault

eulerscheZahl: i'm getting more and more annoyed, please stop spamming

struct: euler when is next match of yare?

eulerscheZahl: in 3.5h approx

eulerscheZahl: getting nervous already

struct: so if you make it to the final

struct: you will play vs the same guy :(

eulerscheZahl: yes. but i need 2 wins just to reach the finals

struct: 3rd already has a prize

eulerscheZahl: and my bot vs the finalist had some weaknesses that I can try to clean up before a match

eulerscheZahl: my usual strategy of playing defensive at first doesn't work against him so I had to try a barely tested bot and failed

BlaiseEbuth: Best defense is attack.

eulerscheZahl: yes, i would probably go for a rush in the finals (if i make it there)

BlaiseEbuth: Zergling rush ftw

jacek: rush b

struct: 13 moves game on loa o.o

jacek: share it

jacek: oh you cant :(

eulerscheZahl: you can. give us your password

jacek: dupa.8

struct: I can jacek

jacek: via ludii?

struct: via ascii art

struct: :p

struct: https://pastebin.com/4mVQKRBL

struct: on console looks better because it has colors

jacek: is this from demo or local

struct: local

Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: as I was explaining on #fr, there is also TGD (optim made by CG)

struct: I ran millions of games

struct: to get shortest and longest

struct: longest was 650+ moves

struct: but is just random moves

eulerscheZahl: yes, blaise reminded me about our loss

eulerscheZahl: and there was this official puzzle. finding the central node of a graph

jacek: longest can be forever

Alastor69: whats up ya wankers! whose ready to... ah, what the bloody hell happened!?

eulerscheZahl: the thing that JBM recreated with some tissue story

Stilgart: but I won't add this one, since its removal is special

struct: you are right jacek

Stilgart: CG did stuff to really hide TGD

eulerscheZahl: and when we tell everyone that it's still online, they might completely delete it

jacek: TGD?

Stilgart: as for the other removed puzzles, dwarfie did not found more in his XP history

struct: the great dispatch

Stilgart: The Great Dispatch

struct: was an optimization puzzle

eulerscheZahl: they once deleted a leaderboard of an internal contest after I linked it on the announcement of another contest which turned out to be the same game

Stilgart: anyway, my number of puzzle solved in haskell is still not right, even with TGD

eulerscheZahl: CG is a mystery

Stilgart: maybe I should count Detective Pikapcha (contest) and A*C (contest)

Stilgart: we need a new puzzle/optim contest to check this :D

eulerscheZahl: that would be another lost bot contest :(

eulerscheZahl: we have optim on codeforces

eulerscheZahl: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/94906

Stilgart: not even sure I used Haskell at some point for A*C, though

Stilgart: the only code I still have is in C++

struct: maybe ill join that one euler

Default avatar.png Kepe55: Has anyone read the Competitive Programmer's Handbook? Has it helped?

eulerscheZahl: haven't read it. not reading it did not help

jacek: therefore reading it did help?

Default avatar.png Kepe55: I think finishing it and only then beginning to practice more is good, I will know most algorithms and stuff like that

Stilgart: Automaton2000: read it for us, please

Automaton2000: then at the end of the game and it was a feature

Default avatar.png Criptor: anyone have code on c++

struct: yes

Default avatar.png Criptor: can you share?

struct: code for what?

Default avatar.png Criptor: coders strike back

struct: My code is unreadable

eulerscheZahl: and what did you learn if we just copy a bot here and you insert it in your IDE?

Default avatar.png Criptor: don't worry I try to understand

struct: also my code wont work on lower leagues

eulerscheZahl: i don't have C++ code

struct: I think sim for loa should be done

struct: But sim is so expensive

struct: :(

BlaiseEbuth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/loa

Astrobytes: So expensive that the time needs to be increased/games shortened? Or doable?

struct: Expensive in comparison with c4

struct: The goal to beat ludii number of sims per second was surely beaten

eulerscheZahl: how many do you get?

eulerscheZahl: and what's the ludii number?

struct: ludii was like 100 per second lol

jacek: playouts, as in random games to the end?

eulerscheZahl: i don't know the rules of the game. but sounds like a rookie number

eulerscheZahl: or readability over speed

jacek: ludii is interpreted (?)

struct: im joking yes

struct: I only get 20k :(

struct: per sec

eulerscheZahl: noob

derjack: dunno how much I get, but i get 5 plies negamax with some eval

derjack: in 100ms

struct: let me do ept 5 plys rollout

struct: The move gen is quite expensive here

struct: at least mine is

struct: There are probably better approaches

jacek: yeah

jacek: im thinking of masks and pext

struct: no idea yet how to eval this game

jacek: for now i use popcount of center 6x6 and try to minimize the number of independent chains

struct: I will try mcts since i can copy paste it from the other games

struct: but I dont have high hopes for it

jacek: youd want to have at least some smart rollouts, otherwise most of them would be draw with the turn limit

struct: rollouts wont be a problem if I dont do them

struct: do you currently use Rays to get the legal moves jacek?

struct: I currently have rays[64][4];

eulerscheZahl: you need more rays to solve Space Maze

struct: path games are not my strong

struct: Maybe one day ill manage to learn it

jacek: yeah i have rows, columns and diagonals

jacek: and antidiagonals

struct: thanks

jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ab1653b5-da34-4fb1-8b69-b4348d4fc6d6

jacek: rare isnt it

jacek: W to move

struct: nice

struct: was it local?

jacek: yes

struct: I was trying no rollout

struct: but ill run out of nodes

jacek: 1st world problems

struct: solver seems to work I guess

struct: https://i.imgur.com/fOAzePA.png

struct: But game would be an easy loss

struct: 2 pieces vs 9

jacek: loa and mcts solver :thinking:

struct: its just the copy paste from breakthrough bot

struct: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

struct: https://i.imgur.com/7XzS3Qm.gif

struct: ah wait

struct: I had no eval

Wontonimo: eulerscheZahl, for https://yare.io/, how much compute can you do? it says you have 600ms per turn, but do you have effectively 600ms of compute?

Wontonimo: i'm wonder if Simulation+Search or Eval+Search is even reasonable

eulerscheZahl: honestly: I don't know Wontonimo. I managed to get some timeouts (only applies for your current turn) though

struct: Did the round ended euler?

eulerscheZahl: first game in 45min

eulerscheZahl: i feel like before a big exam at school/university

eulerscheZahl: one where i'm not sure if i'm well prepared

eulerscheZahl: i'll try with my standard bot first. and rush if the default fails

eulerscheZahl: semi-rush. rush and then retreat. hoping that I cause more damage than I took

struct: hope it works

Mindarius: Hello World

Default avatar.png CrispyBacon1764: how to go?

Kidd_MikeJunior: im back

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: hello

Default avatar.png CrispyBacon1764: how to go? fast i need

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: ?

NoCap_Junior: gv

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: what?

Astrobytes: Stop talking crap. Please.

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: ikr

Default avatar.png BoudinDjama: Oyy

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: ?

Default avatar.png BoudinDjama: hello

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: hi

eulerscheZahl: https://yare.io/d1/jrzgw16t27w9 hype

Default avatar.png zomboi1012: nice quick link

Astrobytes: good luck eulerscheZahl

ZarthaxX: toad is smashing him right? lol

Astrobytes: you held that well!

Wontonimo: game over. yeah toad

eulerscheZahl: :muscle:

ZarthaxX: nice :O

ZarthaxX: he didnt stand a chance

Astrobytes: ZarthaxX! How are ya dude?

ZarthaxX: hey!

PatrickMcGinnisII: who mudrc?

ZarthaxX: im tired

Astrobytes: Working a lot huh?

ZarthaxX: past weeks have been exhausting and i have an exam today

jacek: hello tired

ZarthaxX: starting to code a bit in work yes

ZarthaxX: hello jacek :rofl:

Astrobytes: Ah, you'll manage. SuperZarth

Wontonimo: is there a second round?

ZarthaxX: yes im chilling

eulerscheZahl: best of 3

Astrobytes: Are you 3rd in the standings now euler or 2nd? (before this I mean)

ZarthaxX: how are u astroman

Wontonimo: when does it start ? and what's the link?

eulerscheZahl: if i win, i get into battle for top3

Astrobytes: Same old crap different day ZarthaxX. Though am currently medically signed off from working, which is incredibly boring

eulerscheZahl: or i'm 4th and out

Astrobytes: Ah OK

ZarthaxX: so you wont work until you are back up?

ZarthaxX: :thinking:

Astrobytes: Depends

Astrobytes: Still waiting on that scan btw

ZarthaxX: since when???

ZarthaxX: D:

Astrobytes: That's almost a year and a half now

ZarthaxX: oh god

ZarthaxX: :(

ZarthaxX: health stuff sucks with covid in the middlestill

Astrobytes: Yeah for sure

PatrickMcGinnisII: so $300 $900 or $1800 ... nice eulerscheZahl

ZarthaxX: you know my mom was about tto call a doctor to continue the health analysis for my grandma that were paused since covid started

eulerscheZahl: oh right the link https://yare.io/d1/080gw16z2ia7

ZarthaxX: and at the same time my grandma contracted urinary infection and died a few days later

ZarthaxX: we didnt even notice she had one, she was perfect

ZarthaxX: :(

Astrobytes: Aw goddamnit ZarthaxX, so sorry to hear that brother

ZarthaxX: that was 2 weeks ago

ZarthaxX: week after that had a final exam with my motivation down asf

ZarthaxX: sometimes i wish you could put a pause in life

Astrobytes: Yeah, I feel that man

Astrobytes: That sucks hard.

ZarthaxX: yes :/

eulerscheZahl: oh, sorry to head that ZarthaxX :(

ZarthaxX: are you feeling okey at least astro?

ZarthaxX: a bit okeish

ZarthaxX: thanks toad <3

struct: hi ZarthaxX

Astrobytes: Painful but good otherwise, it's just so damn restrictive in terms of what I can do

ZarthaxX: it's pretty hard to move on as she was living with us for 5 years

struct: grats on the win euler

ZarthaxX: hey structo

ZarthaxX: Astrobytes can you give an example of that?

ZarthaxX: what are not able to do?

ZarthaxX: you*

Astrobytes: ZarthaxX: I feel that dude. Although he wasn't living with me looking after my Grandad for the past 5 years totally changed my life, then when he was gone there's a big hole

Astrobytes: Still not over it. You never get over it. You just learn to live with it.

Astrobytes: Yeah. So, unless I dose up on painkillers I can't remain upright for anything between 10-25 minutes.

Astrobytes: If I take painkillers I get 30-45 minutes (still with pain, but bearable).

TimothyAlexisVass: :D

ZarthaxX: i know i know, but takes time to get over it

Astrobytes: It takes me 2 or 3 days to mow the lawn, 2 or 3 days to cut the hedge, another 2 or 3 days to pull the weeds

ZarthaxX: wat???

ZarthaxX: have you been living like that for the past year?¡

Astrobytes: ZarthaxX: A lot of time.

Astrobytes: Yes.

TimothyAlexisVass: Change your garden

ZarthaxX: oh god wtf

ZarthaxX: are those painkillers like expensive or have bad secondary efffects???

Astrobytes: And it's worsening recently, which is why I'm signed off this month

eulerscheZahl: that doesn't sound too healthy on a long-term scale :(

Astrobytes: Codeine, not something you wanna take all the time

Astrobytes: Thankfully I have a high pain threshold

karter1231211: everything started to go down hill when we said we were going to raid area 51

ZarthaxX: okey that sucks

ZarthaxX: you should pressure people to get that health studies done tbh

ZarthaxX: you cant live like this, it's a really bad life quality you got

Astrobytes: I even had to be excused from jury service, since it was in a town quite far from here (due to Covid)

Astrobytes: Yeah, I call them every week.

Astrobytes: Makes no difference.

Astrobytes: Hey, there are cancer patients not getting treatment here because of the state of the health system, I am (rightly) not highest priority

ZarthaxX: well yeah, cancer patients are in the same situation here, and some even die coz of it :(

Astrobytes: Same here. It's obscene :(

Default avatar.png berserk76: Sorry to hear that man, maybe this could help you:

Default avatar.png berserk76: https://paleomedicina.com/en/bronchial_tumor_paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_PKD

Astrobytes: Don't think that would help my back lol (I don't have cancer)

struct: finally managed to win 1 game vs derjack

struct: :D

BlaiseEbuth: Garlic cancer

Astrobytes: nice struct!

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: Grancer.

Astrobytes: *Garancer

brule: wow

Veln: Now's your chance to be a BIG SHOT @___@

xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xXx: yo some guy broke the firewall

xXxMaoUwUZedongxXxttvATprimeg: I Sat On It

xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xXx: to the labor camps

xXxMaoUwUZedongxXxttvATprimeg: @xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xX

Uljahn: pls guys, use this place to practice coding, no need to spam

xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xXx: yep

Default avatar.png GruelingPine185: codingame told me to say "hi", so .... hi

icecream17: ooh, multicolored braces

Default avatar.png herreramaxi: hi guys, looks like coding in C# is kind of disadvantage from the quantity of characters point of view. What do you think ?

Default avatar.png GruelingPine185: agreed

Default avatar.png GruelingPine185: are esoteric languages allowed?

Default avatar.png herreramaxi: it is funny cos I added one line of code but I got 404 characters

Default avatar.png herreramaxi: hehe

Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1979572dfaa387f00359481f5636aa78038645a

Thorcode: plz join my clash

Thorcode: well the world is quite

Hexagonal: ill join

Hexagonal: send the link?

Thorcode: ok

Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19795840481f7b977f1e40e4f6de43d904b3f56

Thorcode: oh

Thorcode: I got a little bussy bye

icecream17: wow these wood bot strategies are soooo simple

Wontonimo: which multi icecream17 ?

icecream17: Space Shooter

Wontonimo: it's all wood

Wontonimo: for space shooter

icecream17: I only implemented "shoot bullets at enemy all of the time" which made me beat wood 1, and tie so much in wood 2 (with a few wins) that's i'm #1 (just below the bot)

Wontonimo: shots adjusted for your own movement and enemy movement AND moving out of the way of the enemy shots is enough to destroy wood 2

EMERALDZZZ: baby mama

Wontonimo: hey Thorcode and EMERALDZZZ, join the space battle https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/space-shooter

EMERALDZZZ: nah

struct: hi

EMERALDZZZ: hi. mr.mod

Default avatar.png Laysin: im trying to learn to code and this site is not helping at all

struct: its not really for beginners

struct: its more to improve your current skills

Default avatar.png Laysin: ok what do you recomend

Default avatar.png Laysin: ?

struct: not sure, i havent used learning sites in a while

Default avatar.png Laysin: ok

Default avatar.png Hosein1864: hey!

struct: hi

Default avatar.png Hosein1864: I am a beginner

struct: same

PatrickMcGinnisII: :laughing:

struct: my ai cant beat ludii :(

struct: at least for now

Default avatar.png Hosein1864: where are you guys from?

struct: portugal

Wontonimo: Hosein1864 سلام [hello]

struct: What language do they speak in Iran?

Wontonimo: Persian

struct: Did you made any improvements on tron Wontonimo?

Wontonimo: i got to legend

struct: I saw

Wontonimo: then i stopped

struct: I was here

struct: Yeah

struct: im still trying lines of action

struct: very hard game

Wontonimo: that's great that you are helping with the game in the early days

struct: I enjoy board games for some strange reason

struct: maybe im getting old

Wontonimo: i've got another game i'm thinking of, either opti or multi.

struct: what kind of game?

Wontonimo: Each round you are given 100 quotes from a book, and you have to classify them as real or fake. You are also given the answers to the round before. It's a NLP task. For multi, it is up to the players to make fake sentences to fool the opponent

ZarthaxX: hello

struct: Could be interesting

struct: hi again ZarthaxX

ZarthaxX: waddup

struct: not much, just trying to make a working bot on lines of action

Default avatar.png dkslslep: 코딩 어렵다.

ZarthaxX: i read yesterday about that

ZarthaxX: is it interesting?

struct: about the game or about what I said?

ZarthaxX: everything :P

struct: well only if you enjoy board games I guess

ZarthaxX: i do..

ZarthaxX: doesnt it have a big branching factor tho?

struct: yes

struct: 30+moves per turn

struct: and moves are not trivial to compute

ZarthaxX: you mean bitboard

struct: yes

struct: they are easy

struct: to do

struct: but expensive

Default avatar.png StopDiscriminatingAsian: Stop Being Racist

struct: Nobody here is being racist

Default avatar.png StopDiscriminatingAsian: Thank you for understanding

ZarthaxX: wdym by expensive?

ZarthaxX: i saved the magic bitboard thing that was shared here the other day

struct: which magic o.o

ZarthaxX: i want to take a look at that

struct: ah the one I shared

ZarthaxX: https://www.rhysre.net/fast-chess-move-generation-with-magic-bitboards.html

ZarthaxX: right

struct: i dont use it yet

ZarthaxX: is it interesting mindblowing?

struct: havent read it all yet

ZarthaxX: thought there was no more bitboard magic to know

struct: I just wanted to get something working first

ZarthaxX: more than the one we already know

ZarthaxX: oh ok..

ZarthaxX: i have been trying to find a board game that is "educational"

struct: currently i have an array with rays for each bit index

ZarthaxX: like for people learning about graph theory to code

struct: so RAYS[64][4]

struct: 4 directions

ZarthaxX: okey

struct: ZarthaxX c4 might be good

ZarthaxX: ah that one was already used

ZarthaxX: cn even

ZarthaxX: n from 3 to 8 i think

struct: breakthrough is nice but hard to eval

ZarthaxX: butt i wanted another option

ZarthaxX: right...

struct: but very easy to sim

ZarthaxX: loa? :P

ZarthaxX: right, i wanted a super easy sim

struct: if breakthrough is hard to eval

struct: I dont know what loa is

ZarthaxX: what's your opinion on isolation

ZarthaxX: if you know the game

ZarthaxX: kind of wondev woman

ZarthaxX: haha

ZarthaxX: well if its hard its interesting as you can apply many heuristics

struct: you told me about it before I think

ZarthaxX: just a game where you have a board, you move to adyacent and remove a cell

ZarthaxX: the player tha t cannot move loses

ZarthaxX: classic

struct: What about amazons?

struct: very small branching factor

struct: only 1k moves first turn

struct: :D

struct: damn my minimax times out depth 5 :(

ZarthaxX: 1K???????????????

ZarthaxX: WAT

ZarthaxX: 5 isnt that bad right?

ZarthaxX: D:

struct: well

struct: 30^5

struct: it can be even higher than 30 so

ZarthaxX: 24m..

ZarthaxX: it's dope

struct: 1k on the 8x8 version

ZarthaxX: did toad play another yare game btw?

struct: on 10x10 is 2k+

ZarthaxX: wat.

struct: on 2nd turn can be 4k+

ZarthaxX: fuck amazons

ZarthaxX: :D

struct: yes

struct: he won

ZarthaxX: twice'?'

ZarthaxX: he got to top 3?

ZarthaxX: :O

struct: he is now playing to go to the final

ZarthaxX: right now?

struct: yes 3rd is garanted

struct: no

struct: should be today 24-09

ZarthaxX: ah ok

ZarthaxX: he will win pro

ZarthaxX: b

ZarthaxX: well then so amazons is a no

ZarthaxX: i liked the infexction game that darkhorse shared

struct: Will you use it to teach?

ZarthaxX: i have a plan

ZarthaxX: but is 1 year from now

ZarthaxX: just curious

ZarthaxX: i need to do smth before :P

ZarthaxX: anyway was just interested in gathering options

ZarthaxX: i have to try them myself obv

ZarthaxX: but as you are the master of board games :)

ZarthaxX: i thought it was a good idea to ask

struct: I think c4 has some pluses

struct: easy to sim but you need to do some stuff to have a good bot

struct: but is a little bit bland

struct: after a certain point is very hard to improve

struct: if you want you can look at my bot

ZarthaxX: ah..

struct: I can even share my bot if you want, i have shared it before

ZarthaxX: well wait, i didnt say the important part of using this for teaching

struct: ok

ZarthaxX: ppl would have to make an heuristics bot

ZarthaxX: depth 1

ZarthaxX: fitted with a GA

ZarthaxX: that's all

ZarthaxX: the idea wasnt to smash their brains

ZarthaxX: THO i could teach minmax if they allow me to lol

struct: ah

struct: I thought it was mcts or something

ZarthaxX: you mean share your code?

ZarthaxX: nah..

struct: yes

ZarthaxX: i would like to teach mcts tho..

ZarthaxX: it's nice graph theory

ZarthaxX: but might be hard

struct: clobber is easy to sim but hard to eval imo

struct: a lot of moves

struct: like 128 on first turn

ZarthaxX: i see

ZarthaxX: i need to go into all these games on summer

ZarthaxX: prob i wont anyway

ZarthaxX: i need to finish uni to have life again

ZarthaxX: :D

struct: :D

ZarthaxX: clobber also looks interesting

ZarthaxX: will try

ZarthaxX: anyway, post exam headache killimg me

ZarthaxX: gotta go D:

struct: gn

ZarthaxX: good luck with your loa thingy

struct: thanks

ZarthaxX: gn :*

Default avatar.png Hosein1864: where are you guys from?

Default avatar.png Hosein1864: im from iran

Default avatar.png Hosein1864: heeey?

Emyx: :nerd: