BleedingCatz: how do you get promoted in a league (specifically for the coders strike back game)? i've beaten the "Boss" but it won't promote me, do I need to click something or?
ProCoder03: wait promotions only happen in some time intervals
BleedingCatz: ok so i just need to to "play my code" and then wait a bit?
ProCoder03: hmmmmm...
ProCoder03: you need to wait
ProCoder03: your rank is still been calculated
ProCoder03: got to LeaderBoard -> change the score to computing to see your rank
BleedingCatz: yeah it shows me above the Boss
BleedingCatz: i will just wait, eventually it will promote me hahah
ProCoder03: yeah
TranTuan1: hello
TranTuan1: :pensive:
TranTuan1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI47bTJaMe4
TranTuan1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xypzmu5mMPY
Prof.Moriarty: I just started here today (a hour ago) and I am stuck with the temperatures exercise, is it ok to ask questions here?
LittleFlea: of course. i am actually doing the same one
Prof.Moriarty: Cool, because I am stuck on it, I manage to get the first 2 right, but have no ideia how to keep on the rest
LittleFlea: you mean choosing the positive one if there are two answer with the same number
Prof.Moriarty: Yes
LittleFlea: probably where they want the lambda expression they are talking about in the description IMO
Prof.Moriarty: It make sense
Depongkor: Hello! I am new Here
LittleFlea: hello new here i am littleflea.
howdoyoulive: hey, anyone how the coders strike back computes the dist, I am really confused when I want to use it in condition
eulerscheZahl: you have to compute it yourself. you know where you are and where the checkpoint is
eulerscheZahl: there's an old Greek called Pythagoras
juice0: he's even older than euler
ProCoder03: @howdoyoulive, what league are you in ??
ProCoder03: bcoz till bronze or silver , they give us the distance as input
howdoyoulive: bronze now lol,
michaellan: plot twist: he's in legend league
michaellan: hi euler
ProCoder03: hmmmm...... wrote my first MCTS , but just 100 iterations is taking way longer than it shoud
ProCoder03: *it must
ProCoder03: https://tech.io/snippet/t5gnK0l
ProCoder03: can someone tell me where I have gone wrong please !?!
ProCoder03: i used this as
my guide https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/57060/mcts-tic-tac-toe-playground
TheRhodiumMan: hi
TheRhodiumMan: All
TheRhodiumMan: Alfa here
45jung: Beta there
TheRhodiumMan: theta there
Almin5k: Goodmorning everyone happy friday :)
Almin5k: today is my last day on codingame, because im becoming a soldier:muscle:
Merfi: ooooh, im so proud of you. you have been on the grind latetly. good job:muscle::muscle:
Almin5k: it's not a goodbye, it's a see you later
Almin5k: thank you my friend, you too
Aidan1233456: how to be pro
Nachodood: You be pro by not being a beginner
derjack: oO
Almin5k: Don’t practice until you get it right. Practice until you can’t get it wrong.
LittleFlea: that'S actually really wise.
ProCoder03: that was good Almin5k
tran1903xd: hi
Westicles: If you kill the warlord, then you are the warlord
tran1903xd: lol
tran1903xd: imma beat the coc rn btw
Lekrkutj: tf
thealmightyjason: xam loz tran
Tom_Brown: has anyone taken a codeingame assessment
Tom_Brown: for a job?
Uljahn: what do you want to know? i haven't take it but there is #jobs channel on CG discord with some relevant info
Tom_Brown: Just had an employer send me a 60 minute assessment on this site
Tom_Brown: was wondering what it will consist of and the difficulty of it
Uljahn: https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/508991013763809280/691771868109209670
Tom_Brown: thanks <3
TimothyAlexisVass: You'll get a report like this:
https://www.codingame.com/work/dashboard/candidate-report/10235131225616f6e577873008e03c67322e65c
It's usually quite easy...
HiHat1937: good midnight, morning, afternoon or evening
TimothyAlexisVass: hello
Tom_Brown: Timothy what types on questions did you take, are they similar to the coc questions or easier or harder??
Not-Naman: stonks
Bthix: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
TimothyAlexisVass: What's coc questions?
RightHandElf: I think he means clash of code
eulerscheZahl: is this "better than 99%" even based on real results? or is full points = 99%?
eulerscheZahl: and i just realized that i reply to a message from 4h ago
TimothyAlexisVass: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TimothyAlexisVass: There are over 200K on this site, perhaps it's compared to all of those somehow.
eulerscheZahl: most didn't even take this test, so that would be possible. but give that 99% for pretty much any result
eulerscheZahl: btw there are > 2 million registered users
derjack: so 5% is 100k users
Astrobytes: *the* 5% was 5% of survey respondents.
Skinjbir: test
Astrobytes: failed
Wontonimo: plz try and use the words "clash" or "CoC" with caps. Without caps just invites poor behaviour and responses
eulerscheZahl: right, there were 200k users who brought us into that mess of less contests
ZeroMemory: hahahahahaah
derjack: who wants to be a clash of code king
Westicles: Wontonimo, you should add that to the FAQ along with the minimum IQ requirement
michaellan: I want to be a clash of code king
Not-Naman: then you must prepare for war
Not-Naman: I mean you must prepare to be expert in clashcode
Aidan1233456: how to past test 1?
Endless_void: lol
Endless_void: im in school
Q12: Hey eulerscheZahl, you said you had a problem with the auto publish in puzzles you solve, like ADVERSARIAL MATE WITH ROOK did the problem has been solved?
Q12: I am asking because I can see my published code
Westicles: Published in the last month?
Q12: yes
Westicles: which one?
Q12: ADVERSARIAL MATE WITH ROOK
Westicles: it doesn't show, only you can see it
Q12: ohh
Q12: so there is a problem
Q12: thanks
THE_FURRY_CODER: hey guys
THE_FURRY_CODER: how are you guys
AndroidUserOnAppleDevice: yo
THE_FURRY_CODER: wassup
THE_FURRY_CODER_FOX: how are ya
TimothyAlexisVass: ( ╯`°□° ）╯︵ ɐʎ ǝɹɐ ʍoɥ
TimothyAlexisVass: (ﾉ ◎曲◎)ﾉ =͟͟͞͞ ⌨
Wontonimo: haha Westicles ... minimum IQ
Wontonimo: hey Aidan1233456, did you ever get through test 1?
BlaiseEbuth: Lagtonimo
Wontonimo: yeah, i was *working* for my actual paying job
BlaiseEbuth: Working is for poor people...
Wontonimo: it is
jacek: diablo 2 beta, hyped or not?
BlaiseEbuth: Don't know... I'm still playing to D3 and D4 incoming, so... :/
BlaiseEbuth: *And 40€
Ran_42: If I have and idead for clash of code I want to make how can i check if it already exists?
Wontonimo: play all the clashes
Ran_42: :p
Wontonimo: yeah, there is a tool to check
jacek: search here https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
Wontonimo: ^^ thanks
jacek: slowtonimo
Wontonimo: donthavelinkontonimo
Ran_42: ty
Kepe55: My code for ASCII art works for all ide test cases except 4 and 6, does anyone know whats wrong with it?
Kepe55: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d627f3b0-92c3-40d2-bc64-1082e8cb4130
Kepe55: For 4 its Failure
Found: # # ### # # ### ### ###
Expected: # # ### ### # # ### ### ### ### ###
Kepe55: for 6 its Failure
Found: # # # ### # # # ### ### # ###
Expected: # # # ### ### # # # ### ### ### # ###
Kepe55: When I submit it, it's a 40%
Westicles: Kepe55, you'll figure it out
Westicles: One of those homilies from that Rwandan guy would help about now.
Kepe55: Can someone just give me a hint, I don't really get what's wrong
Westicles: w is missing from your alphabet?
Kepe55: oops
Kepe55: test cases 4 and 6 still not working, now that I added w
Kepe55: Now my score has gone up to 80% though!
Kepe55: Test case 4 and 5 are not working when I submit, "Test AB!!CD" and Test Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet,...
TimothyAlexisVass: You have to write ? for characters outside the alphabet
TimothyAlexisVass: such as the '@' and the ' '
Kepe55: oh
Kepe55: thanks, I will try to implement that
TimothyAlexisVass: You could do a replacement in the string for anything which is not in your alphabet string...
Kepe55: Hm, so I added a check to my getNumber function
Kepe55: def getNumber(letter): http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/74c00a57-4716-4764-8fa3-09ba65a86d3c
Kepe55: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/59627acb-19cb-4236-8583-271a1a1221fc
Kepe55: (second link is the full code)
Kepe55: And it's still not working, not replacing @ with ?
TimothyAlexisVass: How do you access pastebin?
Kepe55: It automatically turned it into a pastebin file when I just tried to copy paste my code
TimothyAlexisVass: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/300a50f7-e237-4f9c-9435-99cfa2b7315c
TimothyAlexisVass: I solved it like that now in Python...
Kepe55: wow thats shorter than mine
Uljahn: return alphabet.find(letter) seems wrong, it returns -1 if letter is not in alphabet
Uljahn: oops, chat froze
Kepe55: yeah I replaced it with this
Kepe55: def getNumber(letter): http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6ab21ef1-e4cc-449e-a15a-3ebe013fcd47
Uljahn: if letter == " " - what's that?
Kepe55: if its a space
Uljahn: is it in the statement?
Kepe55: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9b74d1b2-e7e6-4819-8be5-70cc006b1dad
Kepe55: Its in the letter loop, ^ my code
Uljahn: i mean the puzzle rules
Kepe55: oh
Kepe55: No but I think it has to be that way because in Test 6 they give you "MAN HAT TAN"
Kepe55: with spaces
Uljahn: space is not special, print it as any non-letter i.e. ?
Kepe55: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/cc22d817-889a-4730-959f-c7b3f9655cf0
Kepe55: So just remove that if statement so it becomes ^ ?
Kepe55: Test case 6 still failing
Uljahn: ye, try it
Kepe55: Test case 4 too
Uljahn: return len(alphabet) - 1
Uljahn: the error was here
Kepe55: YESS that fixed it!!!
Kepe55: so what was wrong?
Uljahn: typical off-by-1 error
Kepe55: Oh, because strings in python start from 0
Kepe55: I see now, thank you!!
Kepe55: When reading other's solutions on this one I feel like they are much more complicated than mine
TimothyAlexisVass: :D
TimothyAlexisVass: Sometimes, more code and simpler logic is better. But when you're playing a lot of Clash, you kind of get into the "write it short and fast" mode ;)
Kepe55: oh, alr
TimothyAlexisVass: Sometimes when I look at what I've written after, I have no idea what it means...
Kepe55: lol
TimothyAlexisVass: This was a "Fastest" clash now to print the sum of all characters which were not whitespace and only occured once in a string:
TimothyAlexisVass: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c3b7b7ef-85cc-428d-9643-9101fa8ff8df
TimothyAlexisVass: the ord() checks should have been >96 and <123
TimothyAlexisVass: But it passed so I submitted...
Kepe55: I didn't know about string.count()
TimothyAlexisVass: Now you do ;)
Kepe55: It returns the occurences, right? Thanks
TimothyAlexisVass: Yes
TimothyAlexisVass: 3 Clash wins in a row achievement should reward a lot more exp than +100 ;)
eulerscheZahl: no it shouldn't
eulerscheZahl: already twice as much as you get for solving https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/space-maze
TimothyAlexisVass: ohrly
TimothyAlexisVass: Well... rumor has it you are a noob!
(ノ`°□°)ノ
TimothyAlexisVass: wow
69razer69: min(N,5000)^((N-C+1)/N) what is C
Wontonimo: your rank
Wontonimo: 1 if your are 1st.
AllYourTrees: im bored
eulerscheZahl: min(N,5000)^((N-C+1)/N)
where did you even get that formula from 69razer69?
eulerscheZahl: it used to be like that but was changed years ago
69razer69: lol its still on forum
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1qdbirs
click this (i) on your profile for the updated formula
BlaiseEbuth: Oh! eulerscheZahl! You're guru! And first! :o Grats!
AllYourTrees: omg
ja_fica: how to print a vector of wchar_t?
ja_fica: ahahah
BlaiseEbuth: Btw this is a (?) on the profile
super_girl_coder: hi
eulerscheZahl: indeed. (i) on the start page, (?) on the profile
69razer69: yup got it
JaxC: :older_man:
super_girl_coder: hu
super_girl_coder: hi
KalamariKing: hey
super_girl_coder: how are u
Wontonimo: KalamariKing is shy, so I'll interpret his facial expression for you.
I'm pretty good. Concerned I don't have enough tacos on hand
for this weekend
**Astrobytes sends tacos
TimothyAlexisVass: What's the shortest way to get input with Ruby?
**Astrobytes is afk again
Wontonimo: echo hello | ruby_program
TimothyAlexisVass: compared to input() in Python and readline() in JavaScript
TimothyAlexisVass: What's the shortest way in Ruby?
Wontonimo: ah, golfing. idk
Jon...: *$< will read all lines of input
TimothyAlexisVass: and 1 line?
BlaiseEbuth: gets
Jon...: Into an array I think if you.
So for example if you had one line with a value, and then n additional lines, you could do
`n,*l=*$<`
Jon...: Also I've seen `dd`.eval, not super familiar with how that works though
Jon...: I think *$< Still has new line characters, but if you do `dd`.split it removes newlines
Jon...: I means `dd`.split not eval sorry
Jon...: I think? Still learning
TimothyAlexisVass: oh
Link_jon: .. huh this seems new. (btw what language is that?)
Jon...: Ruby
TimothyAlexisVass: Thank you Jon and Blaise
Jon...: It saves a ton of space on multiline problems vs languages like JS where you have to read one line at a time
TimothyAlexisVass: in JS you can do this:
for((r=readline)(a=[]);s=r();)a.push(s)
TimothyAlexisVass: to read all strings into array a
Jon...: Nice
TimothyAlexisVass: all lines as strings*
Link_jon: Yeah... im.. very odd in the fact my favourite language is Lua.
Link_jon: Basically something very simalar to JS and Python
TimothyAlexisVass: I've used Lua with Roblox. It's kinda nice.
Link_jon: yeah.. oddly enough, i didnt know roblox used it for the longest time. i allways messed around with it in Computercraft (minecraft mod)
Also, i have seen a decent number of very very bad habits roblox lua generates.
jacek: oO
Link_jon: sadly, i dont remember what they are exactly, nor can i find it
Link_jon: i just remember roblox lua has tendancies to teach people things that.. if you use in standard lua, kills it
theapp: what mean 4 on Example 1
theapp: ASCII Art
BlaiseEbuth: 4
TobiasA: 5
Link_jon: Actually from my small amount of research, (ie poking in google a bit)
Garrys mod does the same thing.
BlaiseEbuth: 4 doesn't mean 5 you fool -_-
TobiasA: 4==5(-1)
RightHandElf: def 5(i): return -4*i
Link_jon: ... no? that would be 4 == 5 * (-1)..? ehh. idk.
TobiasA: 1==2 ==> 4==5
Westicles: algebraic over algebraic is algebraic
TobiasA: 1==2 => false
TobiasA: 4==5 => false
TobiasA: 1=4
TobiasA: 2=5
TobiasA: :nerd:
MSmits: true == false returns false, which means it's true.
MSmits: it's true that it's false I mean
TobiasA: true == false = false therefore true == false = true therefore true is false and false is true
TobiasA: superposition:nerd:
whatevericando4you: waytoodank
Rob022: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a0f80159-f75b-40bd-8bb1-29079bdeb7da
TobiasA: you need a quantum computer my friend:nerd:
Maxim251: on what page I can share pictures ?
Maxim251: I mean I want share with You, but how
Rob022: onlyfans.com
Maxim251: No, I have screenshot from my pc, and I want use web site to download that picture and share with you link.
TobiasA: some people use imgur to do that but i don't know how to do it
TobiasA: except the sending link part
Maxim251: https://file.io/OpaLaXoVthOB
Maxim251: yey, I found it
TobiasA: noice
Maxim251: did I make corectly UML class drowing?
TobiasA: i don't see any drawing
Maxim251: Oh, no, its not that site what I want.
TobiasA: i also don't know what UML class is:sweat_smile:
BlaiseEbuth: Use imgur
BlaiseEbuth: With a soft like ksnip you can even directly upload screenshots
Maxim251: https://imgur.com/a/CxVLrFL
Maxim251: now it works?
BlaiseEbuth: yup
Maxim251: I just do what you propose #BlaiseEbuth
Maxim251: Can You see in details?
BlaiseEbuth: Yes.
Maxim251: Thats good,
Maxim251: uff. I was hard to find simillar site where peoples can share images just like so, especially on chats.
TobiasA: the tabs are a lot though:fearful:
Astrobytes: Not much UML but a decent class diagram
Maxim251: As I remember I never have problems to shae pictures, because other sites have chats where they have build in image atachments
Maxim251: Its first time form me, with diagram. How corectly I should make diagram that it could be reflecting code what i want do make?
Maxim251: Do I should write also function body? And make arrows everywhere?
Maxim251: I have :
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fa3689ab-6e2c-47cb-a654-3a7130eee717
Astrobytes: I don't think you need to worry about this kind of thing for such a simple project, in all honesty.
Astrobytes: Easier on paper
Maxim251: Hm.. But problem is that In pc I can move functions freelly, on paper I will make mess after I start corecting everything, or try add something on another place
Maxim251: Just I want know if I can desighn code structure befor I start actually code.
JipFr: Why did they remove the spread operator in JS?
michaellan: they didnt?
michaellan: backwards compatibility is a big deal
michaellan: you're probably experiencing some syntax error
michaellan: I wonder how MCTS/minimax works in Tron, for opponents moves
michaellan: randomly turning every second seems like an incorrect strategy for playouts
michaellan: and a fixed-depth minimax (with an eval function somehow) doesnt sound very feasaible
michaellan: dang, Maxim251 you did Mars Lander 3?
michaellan: what approach did you use?
michaellan: suspicious
kresteodymium: sup xxd
michaellan: howdy
kresteodymium: wassup
michaellan: are you the USACO guy
kresteodymium: what is USACO
kresteodymium: hmm
michaellan: baka
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duPJqfKiA78
dctrdee: gui
LazyMammal: xxd I'm not sure about the top bots, but I got to mid-Legend in Tron using Minimax
michaellan: oh, interesting. thanks for sharing
michaellan: what is each "turn" in your minimax
michaellan: one "move" doesn't feel right
michaellan: but maybe I'm wrong
LazyMammal: Simple is usually best :D Each turn in my minimax is one cycle making a move. Each cycle "wants" to maximize their heuristic.
BlaiseEbuth: I'm 86th (and was above 50th years ago) with a minimax in Tron xxd
BlaiseEbuth: Will probably take ot back one of these days... :thinking:
xxd: hmm
xxd: i
xxd: i've never coded a minimax i think
xxd: only MCTS so far
xxd: and tron doesn't seem that complicated
BlaiseEbuth: minimax is far less complicated to code
LazyMammal: but you need a heuristic for minimax. some games are a pain that way. Tron has a good heuristic. Probably several good ones to choose from.
BlaiseEbuth: ^
xxd: like "dont immediately die" right
xxd: or more sophisticated than that? :P
BlaiseEbuth: An evaluation function
LazyMammal: I use area fill for Tron
xxd: hmm ok
xxd: gonna do MC for LoCM for now
LazyMammal: If you use "sudden death" then your search tree has to go deep enough to evaluate all the ways your cycle can die. A good heuristic can make an estimate of the current board.
xxd: what do you mean by sudden death
Stilgart: BlaiseEbuth: actually, a minimax for more than two players is quite hellish to code
LazyMammal: If you only notice a "bad position" by dying the search doesn't get enough hints to prune branches early.
xxd: I see
Stilgart: the trick at tron is that you can ignore two fellows, do a minimax with the closest one, and still achieve good playing
xxd: wow, that is actually very interesting
Stilgart: (truth is, I had to test this to believe it)
xxd: good thinking
xxd: 4 player seems a bit overwhelming already for me, i think i'll pass for now
LazyMammal: That's likely true, although I maximize each player in Tron. For Photosynthesis I only maximized the bot's player
LazyMammal: Btw, "optimized" versions of Minimax make it seem very complicated (e.g. Negascout). But generic mimimax is simply "argmax(heuristic)" for all moves on a given turn. And that's simple for multiple players if you can get the heuristic from the point of view of each player.
BlaiseEbuth: Stilgart?
BlaiseEbuth: I have one. And I don't remember it was particularly hard to code.
xxd: I think I am more interested in learning about minimax and its variants than actually coding it :rofl:
xxd: like reading papers, watching videos etc.
LazyMammal: It's fun to get it working tho! Also a working prototype is proof that you understand all the parts needed. They say "teaching someone" is the best way to learn. I think writing a bot has the same effect. You have to be able to "explain in code"
michaellan: hmm, fair point
michaellan: I had so much excitement when my MCTS first worked
Stilgart: BlaiseEbuth: it is hard to design, to begin with
Stilgart: minimax is for two-players games
Stilgart: there are multiple generalizations for more players, but one has to choose the appropriate one carefully
BlaiseEbuth: That was precisely what I began with. ^^ First bot, first algo more complicated than a if/else forest.
michaellan: hmm
michaellan: these bot challenges are so intimidating
BlaiseEbuth: But perhaps I had a lot of chance and avoided some difficulties without realizing it... :thinking:
LazyMammal: Bot challenges are definitely harder than puzzles. each part isn't so hard but there are many parts and the choice of parts is entirely up to the coder.
BlaiseEbuth: Sad it's gonna be escape challenges now.. :(
Wontonimo: WHAT? for real? is that confirmed?
BlaiseEbuth: Don't know...
Wontonimo: just nasty rumors
BlaiseEbuth: https://forum.codingame.com/t/solo-contests/1114/3
LazyMammal: "some changes" == escape challenge?
BlaiseEbuth: Answering someone asking for 4 hours contest, that at least mean "not a bot challenge"
Wontonimo: :wave: LazyMammal
LazyMammal: I didn't get in on the escape room beta preview thingy. Any fun?
BlaiseEbuth: Tutorial is borring. Real rooms require other people, and other people are borring.
LazyMammal: Okay. To each their own, I guess.
BlaiseEbuth: :p
Wontonimo: woot, i just solved my own puzzle lol
LazyMammal: different language at least?
Wontonimo: 1/3rd the lines
LazyMammal: :D
michaellan: Wontonimo: I wonder why your comment asking for feedback got downvotes
michaellan: seems odd to me
BlaiseEbuth: Where where where? I want to downvote to!
michaellan: >:[
Wontonimo: haha
Wontonimo: yeah, i guess someone doesn't like giving verbal feedback
LazyMammal: “Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.”
― George Carlin
Wontonimo: words of wisdom
Wontonimo: I'll make sure to include you early next time BlaiseEbuth so you can get in on the action.
BlaiseEbuth: WHAT?! I can't downvote anymore?! :rage:
Wontonimo: nope, already approved
michaellan: B)
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. That doesn't matter, I can always downvote.
BlaiseEbuth: AND put one star. :imp:
Wontonimo: be even worse, put zero stars
BlaiseEbuth: Naa... :smirk:
LazyMammal: “haters gonna hate”
― 3LW
Wontonimo: rats, i thought i almost had ya there
masongtxr: hi
Wontonimo: hi
masongtxr: i'm the new player
LazyMammal: welcome to Friday night bingo
Wontonimo: if you put "the" in all caps it sounds more impressive
BlaiseEbuth: ZE
Wontonimo: have you checked out any of the multis masongtxr ? (the text is red because your name is in it. that's all)
masongtxr: i don't now
masongtxr: or maybe yes
LazyMammal: by "multis" wonton means the "Bot Programming" category under Activites -> Compete.
Wontonimo: Look at this replay from a multi called Coders Strikes Back. Notice these noobs are just flying straight to the next checkpoint and not even correcting for drift or turning ahead of times https://www.codingame.com/replay/560822383
michaellan: Wontonimo doesn't stop :joy:
Wontonimo: what do you think, perhaps you could make a better bot, perhaps one that slows down right before getting to the checkpoint and turning more agressively?
LazyMammal: Personally I'm a big fan of the solo puzzles. The bot multis are cool too
Westicles: are you talking to the guy who doesn't speak english?
Wontonimo: hey, that multi was made to help people start multis
BlaiseEbuth: No.
michaellan: when will you learn that CSB is not noob friendly at all
michaellan: just kidding
Wontonimo: hey, it totally is
LazyMammal: CSB is a great beginner multi. Just ... walk before you run, right? Maybe do some puzzles
BlaiseEbuth: I was made. And then they putted an expeditive tuto on it.
BlaiseEbuth: *it
Wontonimo: it has a tutorial
michaellan: yeah
michaellan: but they coulda done that for UTTT wood or something
Wontonimo: you are in gold xxd. seems friendly enough
masongtxr: no i't to hard for me
michaellan: yeah but that is only because there is a key piece of information
BlaiseEbuth: traduction: "see? even you are in gold, so it's friedly" :smirk:
michaellan: also remember that i couldnt even get there after knowing it, for a while
michaellan: :pensive:
Wontonimo: there are 2 things i like about CSB for people who are new to CG. 1 - pretty graphics. 2 - lots and lots of people have submitted bots and so you get very fine grain feedback on even small changes to your reflex bot
Westicles: probably better to figure out more about the person first
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. And stay stuck in the over 1000 players wood leagues if nobody give you the magic formula.
BlaiseEbuth: That too
michaellan: I got to silver with just boosting when distance to next checkpoint > 400
Wontonimo: it is the first link in the "related links"
michaellan: nobody wants to RTFM
michaellan: (although i agree it is important)
Wontonimo: and i usually don't give the formula. usually i give -v and then hint that it may have a better constant
BlaiseEbuth: "newcoder: Hey! I'm new on the site.
Wontonimo: Hey! Have you heard of our lord and savior CSB?"
masongtxr: no
Wontonimo: anyway. let's take a poll: Name the multi you'd suggest to new people who have only done clash to get them off clash?
michaellan: masongtxr: I have one piece of advice. Don't focus on Clash of Code. It is nowhere near as rewarding as the other paths
Westicles: A new guy who can barely communicate probably shouldn't be pointed toward any multi
michaellan: I'm gonna have to play every so often, however, to keep my rank and codinpoints :[
masongtxr: good advice
BlaiseEbuth: If people don't ask for, I don't point...
michaellan: Also, bash is his main language it seems
michaellan: this guy is scary
masongtxr: who
michaellan: you
masongtxr: ok
Wontonimo: i think he means respect
LazyMammal: 1. solo puzzles (classic)
2. solo puzzles (turn based)
3. solo puzzles (optimization)
4. bot programming
michaellan: what's a turn-based solo puzzle?
michaellan: Oh nvm
michaellan: Yeah but optiions 1 and 2 don't boost codinpoints, do they now :upside_down:
LazyMammal: chasing the fake internet points.. can be fun!
masongtxr: i'm now trying yo win code vs zomie
Wontonimo: it's everything, don't knock my fake internet points! I've worked hard for them so I will value them arbitrarily
michaellan: yeah i guess so
michaellan: but i worked pretty hard for them
michaellan: so i guess that imbues (sentimental?) value
michaellan: for me
Wontonimo: oh nice, code vs zombies is fun
michaellan: maybe there should never have been codinpoints system
michaellan: ignorance is bliss
LazyMammal: yeah, CvZ is great. you can use if/else rules or go "whole hog" and search like a multi
Westicles: it depends how escape rooms get hooked up. XP or CP or neither
michaellan: Yikes
masongtxr: but is a little hard for me
michaellan: If escape rooms give CP, i might actually go and do it
michaellan: I don't want to do it with some random people though, I might introduce it to the computer science club at my school
Westicles: CP comes and goes, but XP is (mostly) indestructible.
Wontonimo: looks like i have zero progress in MCTS https://www.codingame.com/learn/MCTS
michaellan: Yeah. A lot of games with Minimax should also be ttagged MCTS
LazyMammal: masongtxr maybe look at the easy and medium puzzle to see if you find something you like and is not too hard ?
masongtxr: i don't like puzzle
Wontonimo: what do you like?
michaellan: Clashes?
masongtxr: no
michaellan: good.
michaellan: Do you like using your brain to solve coding problems?
LazyMammal: clashes are just timed puzzles
michaellan: yeah but they're easier
LazyMammal: true
michaellan: avereage class is easier than Easy classic
michaellan: clash*
Westicles: I think officially they like it if new guys are pointed toward the quest map...
BlaiseEbuth: Officially they like if there is new guys. What a new guy do after, they don't care.
Westicles: As long as he applies for a job at some point, yeah\
Wontonimo: wow, a guy tries to promote multis and this happens
michaellan: D:
masongtxr: this is my old account https://www.codingame.com/profile/ef262ad0e8f6a2e469727c0354e82f824269734
masongtxr: i still keep it
Westicles: have you tried CSB?
BlaiseEbuth: 1) I don't think csb is a good advice for a first multi.
2) I don't think multis should be recomanded systematically to newcomers.
3) As a newcomer, not sure I would appreciate someone jumping on me to push me to do something, when I just said "hi" on the chat...
BlaiseEbuth: But, hey, that's me.
Westicles: agree
Wontonimo: i don't agree
masongtxr: 9 times but it just went wrong
Wontonimo: what do you mean 9 times?
masongtxr: in CSB
Westicles: maybe he prefers Mars Lander :P
masongtxr: no
Westicles: me personally, I like algorithms. so I started with the easy puzzles
Wontonimo: so i've helped about 14 people get into multis via CSB. Out of the 14, most need help just learning how to navigate the options in the multi. It's actually not intuitive at all is what I've discovered. CSB has the tutorial pop ups that really help a lot
Wontonimo: when i say most, i mean about half.
Westicles: the quest map shows you how to navigate that
Wontonimo: i don't remember the quest map helping with telling the difference between "submit" and "arena"
Wontonimo: or that you can change the opponents
Wontonimo: or debug
Wontonimo: or that all your arena submits are saved in history
Westicles: they can always ask in the chat if they don't understand
Wontonimo: really? do you think most people do that or just open it, say to themmselves "wtf" and then leave. In my experience, it's the second
Westicles: This goes back to the IQ discussion...
Wontonimo: perhaps EQ
Westicles: EQ is discriminatory against our friends on the spectrum.
juice0: even if one of those friends doesn't get it, or one of their friends... or neighbors
BlaiseEbuth: What a shame we can't see when a contribution was posted...
michaellan: stop trying to downvote!
BlaiseEbuth: How many time did your puzzle stayed in WIP Wontonimo?
Westicles: beach volleyball?
BlaiseEbuth: Naa. Fax
michaellan: Is there a max number of cards in hand for LoCM?
michaellan: the anser is yes but I dont know what the value is
BlaiseEbuth: RTFM?
michaellan: RTSC (Read the source code)
michaellan: the answer is 8
michaellan: (apparently used to be 10)
michaellan: https://github.com/CodinGame/LegendsOfCodeAndMagic/blob/1aacfeafcf183b9e3bd79b037391e990b9a49749/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/engine/Constants.java#L28
BlaiseEbuth: It's in the statement... -_-
michaellan: oopsie
BleedingCatz: how do you get promoted in a league (specifically for the coders strike back game)? i've beaten the "Boss" but it won't promote me, do I need to click something or?
