andHW: How do you who are the bots?
andHW: I think Tychkorg, Westicles and Mathieuxxxx are the bots
Vigasaurus: if you look at their profiles
Vigasaurus: it's their bio
ChampionCoder: See the profiles of the players It will be said which is the bot and who is not See this link for example: https://www.codingame.com/profile/929a32931c811078ab286744570b24f05230652
lopidav: is that an arrow?
monkey: maybe Max is just happy to see you
monkey: ...or is less than or really really really equal to three
AntiSquid: less than exactly equal to 3
AntiSquid: or it's a funny ascii drawing .
jacek: hmm i need to rethink jacekmax. now im experimenting and getting better results with just mcts ept
jacek: could be hyperparameter sensivity
geriatric1927: How hard is it to maintain a rank above 50?
jacek: what game
geriatric1927: Clash of code of course :')
jacek: quite hard. rank increases over time when idle
geriatric1927: Increases or decreases? :P
jacek: depends how you look at it. rank 30th -> 60th. did it increare or decrease?
geriatric1927: Well, actually increase of rank means the number decreasing
geriatric1927: I'm not saying I'm correct and he's wrong. Just that most people think of it as that way.
Uljahn: most people think you shouldn't be bothered with CoC rank :smirk:
jacek: yeah, when rank increases i think that means youre better
geriatric1927: Just a question.
drantini: why is shortest mode even a thing
drantini: so unfair for c#
Uljahn: how using a wrong tool can be unfair?
geriatric1927: Learn any other language
geriatric1927: Like ruby or python
geriatric1927: You'll have experience in an other language and also get a change to win shortest. So that's a win win.
Uljahn: or you could ignore clashes and wreck ruby and python with c# in bot ai multiplayers
geriatric1927: Perl too for some problems
geriatric1927: Simple ones
JLukeSkywalker: cool, finally beat the oware wood 2 boss
JLukeSkywalker: been sitting at 1 for weeks
AntiSquid: anyone in this chat has too much time at the moment? got something to ask 1 person only
ejpon: There is something like too much time?
AntiSquid: hi ejpon you want to play?
BlaiseEbuth: There's no jigsaw emoji...
ejpon: ok the red is scary :D
jacek: ejpon the red?
ejpon: (. )_(. )
AntiSquid: lol this is unbelievalbe :D can't find anyone right now
AntiSquid: even asked some folks on stock exchange discord room to join me
AntiSquid: maybe i should spam in #clash chat
AntiSquid: revenge !
ejpon: Its too early for coders, they are still asleep.
AntiSquid: real coders wake up at 4 AM and code .
BlaiseEbuth: This is always 4AM somewhere...
ejpon: Oh so what am I, if I code until 4AM and then sleep till noon?
BlaiseEbuth: A neet ?
ejpon: hmm, I guess so.
AntiSquid: you're at sea
AntiSquid: the onboarding ?
MSmits: the descent?
AntiSquid: want to play an escape game on CG?
MSmits: every game is an escape
AntiSquid: i help you with whatever you don't know
AntiSquid: i'll have to use reddit and twitter if i don't get anyone now and i hate those platforms
AntiSquid: it's like spaceship mountain, just more fun
AntiSquid: and we can talk
AntiSquid: is that you ?
AntiSquid: ok talk in private chat please
AntiSquid: i direct messaged you
AntiSquid: or we can go to duiscord
linjoehan: hello internet
ZarthaxX: hello pacman
KiwiTae: ZarthaxX :/
KiwiTae: linjoehan :/
ZarthaxX: KiwiTae why that face
ZarthaxX: structo mah man
AntiSquid: jrke ?
struct: Did you try it ZarthaxX?
EliteDaMyth: shortest only
ZarthaxX: no struct
KiwiTae: ZarthaxX i typoed :D
jacek: hmm new multi
jacek: as just for chinese new year
Uljahn: wow, cooperative game
jacek: i hate people, so no cooperative games for me :mad:
AntiSquid: so edgy
AntiSquid: should i share the invite link and pretend you get 1 free GME :thinking:
jacek: do you get $$$ when someone plays escape with you?
jacek: then why you are so eager to play with someone? :o
AntiSquid: you need min 2 lol
AntiSquid: but seems like certain polish people with smiley avatars are anti-social, not going to name any names
AntiSquid: i take it back, might be wrong :P
AntiSquid: shared link on stock exchange chat room, nobody clicking yet
AntiSquid: you have an invite link you can use and get up to 20 people into the game with it
AntiSquid: most of the communities i joined aren't coding sites so ...
Uljahn: i have no friends besides Automaton2000 :confused:
Automaton2000: like the guy who is in the same turn?
jacek: or AutomatonNN and frog
AutomatonNN: cool its the world of students
Westicles: I wonder why they put it on a separate site
jacek: they are ashamed
struct: Maybe because its beta test?
struct: and its not really related to cg
AntiSquid: you just need to share it in a chat with high traffic
trictrac: thanks Jacek for your fireworks approval :slight_smile:
Westicles: it seems I am unable to solve the tutorial
Uljahn: keep calm and stop overengineering
Westicles: The same solution worked 2nd time through. Probably user error
jacek: MSmits mcts w/ ept seems better than jacekmax now. could be hyperparameters or bugs in my earlier versions, or better NNs
jacek: early playout termination
NinjaDoggy: AntiSquid I'd love to play too :D
AntiSquid: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/l25-5I0-5Mm-NT7 anyone else want to try?
AntiSquid: 90 mins apparently
Uljahn: let's go
PatrickMcGinnisII: yall beta testing some coop game on cg?
jacek: only 5% of them
PatrickMcGinnisII: is it in the contributions somewhere?
AntiSquid: if page got blank you should be able to refresh
AntiSquid: click door to go to next round, does it load for everyone? (no spoilers please, just want to know if it loads)
AntiSquid: direct message spoilers
Westicles: weird that you can't talk to each other in game
MetehanBayraktar: is code golf just 4 game ?
JLukeSkywalker: you solve them in different languages though
JLukeSkywalker: your top 7 i think for each get scored
JLukeSkywalker: huh, i win most 2 and 3 player GoD, but lose almost every 4 player
JLukeSkywalker: is it worth it writing separate algorithm based on number of players?
MSmits: jacek it may just depend on the game
kovi: which game?
jacek: so far, bt
jacek: but this is me fiddling with training process
jacek: or training 'pipeline'
kovi: actually i use mcts/ept...but no nn
kovi: what is jacekmax?
PatrickMcGinnisII: kovi what happenned to eulers 3d tetris, did he kill it?
jacek: it got... approved
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh i couldn't find it...tx
JLukeSkywalker: its a survival horror game, why wouldnt it get approved
kovi: thx jacek
jacek: kovi do you use bitboards in bt?
jacek: with some ifs you can see the win about 3 plies aheads
kovi: not yet
kovi: before mcts i had heavy eval
AntiSquid: uljahn pls pm, missed last one
AntiSquid: jrke ?
YurkovAS: someone use mcts in D&B in top20?
jacek: its all about math :(
jacek: under the viewer
jacek: what game or puzzle?
Wontonimo: Loui - it's mixed in with the game output in the bottom left
Loui: where is it can you point it out plase? http://prntscr.com/y6d7w9
jacek: click play all testcases
jacek: is this uttt
Wontonimo: sigh ... yes.
AntiSquid: guys up for another round ? want to check rescue mission https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/v9y-Q25-xPV-8jA
AntiSquid: or girls :P
NinjaDoggy: let's go! :D
eulerscheZahl: fine squid i'll do it
jacek: or AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: good luck with that
AntiSquid: 3 spaces left
jacek: AutomatonNN oh my
AutomatonNN: why not coding in a different rank?
NinjaDoggy: let's make discord pm group for it?
eulerscheZahl: does the CG account work there?
NinjaDoggy: uh... did you get invite?
AntiSquid: ok wait i make one
NinjaDoggy: I think u make new account
AntiSquid: https://discord.gg/27trGtv6 just for this instance
AntiSquid: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/uuY-XRW-Hy7-h0x 1 free space
jacek: AutomatonNN why dont you join
AutomatonNN: what is the problem?
TBali: AntiSquid - how much time did you need for the 80s?
TBali: We were quite lame yesterday :-)
Scarfield: top 100% is worth celebrating!
jacek: top 5%
Scarfield: 100 > 5
Astrobytes: Hey TBali, Scarfield, struct etc I can't make it tonight! On the plus side I have audio sorted for next time
BlaiseEbuth: Ah. I can't either today...
Astrobytes: I know :/ Let's do another one whenever everyone is free
jacek: is CG becoming more social? :scream:
BlaiseEbuth: I got my access btw.
Astrobytes: Sorry guys :/
Scarfield: sure, i had 2h sleep this night, so im up for anoher time instead tbh
ZarthaxX: struct F
Astrobytes: Alright, I gotta go for now, somebody message me details if there's another one organised :+1:
TBali: I 'accidentaly' clixcked on the session link Antisquid posted here. I think it is a bug, now I am listed as 6th member under 2 sessions . I did not enter them
TBali: and max id 5 anyway
TBali: *max is 5
Scarfield: cya micstrobytes
TBali: Back to "Particle Detection with Cloud Chamber" then
TBali: just solved, needs some code cleanup
TBali: most creative use of ascii art
TBali: Astrobytes, struct, Scarfield, tomorrow 9pm cet then, let's leave no cats behind
Scarfield: there are polar foxes, maybe its time for an avatar change
ZarthaxX: do you want me to become a fox?
Scarfield: yes, too few in the cat family
ZarthaxX: i will make my transition
jacek: with blackjack and hookers
The.Imposter: I'm new
The.Imposter: How can I follow you
MSmits: gps tracker
The.Imposter: I meant how can I follow you on codin game
MSmits: hover on profile pic
YurkovAS: MSmits in D&B you use mcts?
MSmits: random moves till I can sort of solve it
MSmits: I have an endgame solver and in the 10 turns or so before that I try nimstring analysis to come up with a move
MSmits: so generally I play perfectly from around halfway through the game and random before that
Scarfield: ZarthaxX https://prnt.sc/y6hqvx
YurkovAS: MSmits thanks. If i'm switch to minimax (negascout, pvs) this not give huge improvements?
ZarthaxX: Scarfield i didnt expect such a gift... thanks :D
MSmits: it depends
The.Imposter: Can people follow me and give me advice since I'm new?
MSmits: if you use it for the endgame, then it may help you choose chains and loops effectively
MSmits: before that, it basically does nothing
JLukeSkywalker: ask on here, ppl will give advice. follower count is pretty meaningless
MSmits: you and your opponent use the same board, so what would you evaluate?
Scarfield: u welcome xD
The.Imposter: It just makes me feel good
The.Imposter: But thanks for telling me about the advice
MSmits: nr 1 does what i do, but bettere
ZarthaxX: done scarfo
The.Imposter: Does anyone want to be friends with me
MSmits: best thing you can do is dive into the mathematical theoiy. YurkovAS
Scarfield: there are a lot of advice to give, but if you have problems with a specific puzzle, make a specific question (programming language, puzzle, and issue) there most likely will be someone that can help The.Imposter :)
Scarfield: hahaha nice zarto xD
The.Imposter: Thank you I'm following you by the way
ZarthaxX: maybe should put the hat a bit lower
ZarthaxX: so the ears dont show up
The.Imposter: I'm following you
The.Imposter: ZarthaxX I'm following you
jacek: good for you
The.Imposter: Hahaha very funny
The.Imposter: Thank you Scarfield for following me
The.Imposter: Anyone tell me when they're going to be on tomorrow
The.Imposter: I'll be on at 8:35 A.M. Tomorrow and all day tomorrow
Scarfield: ZarthaxX https://prnt.sc/y6izvg you are putting my Paint skills to the test :p
Scarfield: But welcome to the feline family
The.Imposter: Hey Scarfield
The.Imposter: I'm about to join Clash of code can anyone help me
Scarfield: just fyi, people generally dont like being invited to clash of code (CoC)
The.Imposter: Could I have helped though
Scarfield: but there is a chat in the CoC where you can ask about the puzzle if you need help, but dont expect help though
Scarfield: and np, how could you know
The.Imposter: Yeah I know
ZarthaxX: Scarfield that one looks way better i think :OP
The.Imposter: I've already joined it
Scarfield: maybe i should start an avatar business, you are now the 2nd user i made an artwork of an avatar for xD
ZarthaxX: im a feline once more
ZarthaxX: i had a cat pic once
Scarfield: :o you were before
ZarthaxX: my cat pic
ZarthaxX: she is cute
Scarfield: CG lore
The.Imposter: Scarfield are you in Clash of code chat cuz I need help
ZarthaxX: look at me now scarfo
Scarfield: oh yea that is a cute cat :)
The.Imposter: LOL LOL:joy:
Scarfield: The.Imposter no i dont really do CoC, but maybe start with easy puzzles if the clashes are too difficult
ZarthaxX: Scarfield did you mess up with the edit? i see a weird rectangle bottom right
The.Imposter: Thank you
The.Imposter: Which one I supposed to do
Scarfield: haha yea i figured it wouldnt be noticable on the avatar size
The.Imposter: There are many
The.Imposter: Thank you pyBoy. for following me
The.Imposter: Someone help me with trying to solve The Descent
ZarthaxX: did it came with the real pic scarfo?
The.Imposter: Because of course I'm new
Scarfield: https://www.artphotolimited.com/us-en/fine-art-photography/wildlife/fox/photo/nature-picturelibrary/arctic-fox-sitting-in-the-snow original photo, ill try a quick fix
ZarthaxX: its ok :P
ZarthaxX: excellent, thanks :)
ZarthaxX: im ready for toad to tell me "go back to the bear rn"
ZarthaxX: thanks scarfoldo
Scarfield: xD np, seriously i not sure i would notice if i didnt know
ZarthaxX: i think it was noticeable even on mini pic
Scarfield: hmm closed my browser reopened, but i can only see the new avatar when hovering
ZarthaxX: it takes time maybe?
Scarfield: no idea, but im curious to see how fast the toad will notice it
Scarfield: chose the picture to look somewhat like the bear
BlaiseEbuth: Meh... Where's the bear ?
Scarfield: where's your cat avatar ?
BlaiseEbuth: Cat ?
Scarfield: you know, the meow'ers
Scarfield: in other news, isnt baliseeebuth some pun on a nickname for satan or something?
BlaiseEbuth: balisebuth ? :thinking: <ebuth>
Scarfield: ah yes
BlaiseEbuth: But why should I have a cat avatar ?
ZarthaxX: Scarfield maybe he doesnt notice e.e
ZarthaxX: tho i feel like a have a worm pic lol
Scarfield: just kidding, many here has cats for whatever reason, and zartho rejoined the cats
ZarthaxX: i have*
ZarthaxX: the catgang
Scarfield: you are in world chat Zezco
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. The letter that come after the M
BlaiseEbuth: Is that a cat ? On the pic I thought about a snow fox. ^^'
Scarfield: yea its a arctic fox, and apparently foxes are canines :'(
BlaiseEbuth: So where's your cat avatar ?
Uljahn: https://i.redd.it/6csl7u9m6ye61.jpg :upside_down:
ZarthaxX: Scarfield :face_palm:
PatrickMcGinnisII: Potw is interesting, hard puzzles should be worth more
ZarthaxX: so im not a cat?
BlaiseEbuth: Good news ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Want to cut a sexy anime girl, who is most popular right now? I'm old, i dunno these things
BlaiseEbuth: Corona-chan ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh come on, seriously
Scarfield: technically you are not a cat :'(
ZarthaxX: im gonna fix this
Scarfield: change the wiki page about foxes?
ZarthaxX: oh well, i opted to become an actual cat lol
Scarfield: nooo, i should not have mentioned it
ZarthaxX: okey lets go back to the snowy fox lol
BlaiseEbuth: Your cat is not white, and does not have all the pirate stuff :/
Scarfield: BlaiseEbuth now its just you https://prnt.sc/y6q1ng
ZarthaxX: wow those paint skillz
ZarthaxX: im the fox, no more changes
ZarthaxX: imgonna get banned for spamming
BlaiseEbuth: My avatar is copyrighted ! :rage:
ZarthaxX: we are gonna get banned now scarfo, gj
BlaiseEbuth: But that's a nice kitty.
BlaiseEbuth: with horns
AntiSquid: zarthaxx, i would still his avatar, but ...
Scarfield: almost added a :c: to the catEbuth, but not sure if you are actually serious
Scarfield: hmm thought :c: would be the copyright symbol
AntiSquid: double click
AntiSquid: or reboot
Scarfield: AntiSquid here is gift https://prnt.sc/y6rjwi
BlaiseEbuth: Rally love this one
AntiSquid: covers milky way dot with one ear, would make it smaller and put the cat on top of a flying saucer
AntiSquid: sorry for critique, thanks for effort
Scarfield: ahem https://prnt.sc/y6t1ql
AntiSquid: no zarthaxx i don't mean to sound rude, was constructive feedback
AntiSquid: ya that's cool Scarfield, you went the extra mile now
myNickName01: clash time
AntiSquid: was expecting some sloppy "cat stands on ufo" kind of edit :D
AntiSquid: it's good
Scarfield: ty, theres no limits to my paint skillz
AntiSquid: myNickName01 most people who like clash don't hang out in here, you're welcome to chat though
myNickName01: antisquid ty
myNickName01: what's everybody up to today?
AntiSquid: mind if i use it? Scarfield
AntiSquid: i support memes, they unity the world
AntiSquid: unite *
Scarfield: that was the idea :) go for it
Scarfield: nice xD
ZarthaxX: unite the world
ZarthaxX: this dude LOL
BlaiseEbuth: cat pow
Scarfield: :fist: :smirk_cat:
ZarthaxX: im starting to like the snowy pics
ZarthaxX: thanks scarfo
ZarthaxX: now im competing with lerenar d
Scarfield: xD np
EliteDaMyth: shortest only
BlaiseEbuth: join Please
BlaiseEbuth: #Clash for spamming your link
Myrrhe: Is there a way to use multiple classes in Java in Codingame ? New to Java here
Astrobytes: struct, Scarfield, you guys play in the end?
struct: tomorrow right?
Scarfield: no, t-bali decided for tomorrow
Scarfield: same time
BlaiseEbuth: t-bali say, you do
Astrobytes: Awesome. I can totally do that.
Astrobytes: Fix your scar Sleepfield
Scarfield: yea, gonna hit the hay soon
Scarfield: then go to bed
BlaiseEbuth: enter sandman
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: you in for tomorrow?
BlaiseEbuth: Nope, I have to blow out some candles tomorrow... :3
struct: maybe ZarthaxX wants in?
Astrobytes: Birthday eh
Astrobytes: Yeah ZarthaxX, how about it
BlaiseEbuth: 2121 years already... So many candles...
Astrobytes: Hmm, birthday... or did you have some satanic ritual going on BlaiseEbuth
BlaiseEbuth: It goes hand in hand
ZarthaxX: 2121? wtf
ZarthaxX: dude loves satan
ZarthaxX: struct howdy, and what?
Scarfield: join in to the new and super secret CG escape beta puzzles
BlaiseEbuth: go go go ZarCat
ZarthaxX: oh i cant rn
Scarfield: tomorrow 21.00 paris time
Astrobytes: Ah, AstroLags
BlaiseEbuth: Gonna hit the hay too...
Scarfield: yea gn all
struct: tomorrow ZarthaxX 5pm your time
Astrobytes: gn guys
Astrobytes: oh jacek approved Fireworks, nice one. I didn't have time to finish my bot
ZarthaxX: gn :P
Astrobytes: I was only saying gn to the guys that left!
ZarthaxX: I SAID GN
ZarthaxX: 8pm time to sleep ?(
struct: you can come tomorrow zarthax?
Astrobytes: 8pm ZarthaxX!!!!
Astrobytes: Turning into Grandpa euler!
ZarthaxX: imagine if i went to sleep at 8
ZarthaxX: struct i think
Astrobytes: You better be available tomorrow ZarthaxX or Bad Things will happen
ZarthaxX: *oh my*
ZarthaxX: i will be there chief
reCurse: What's happening tomorrow?
Astrobytes: reCurse: Not much, just our rescheduled escape thingy
Astrobytes: You should try it out if you haven't already, my only qualm (bugs aside) is the pricing question
Astrobytes: At the end of the session: "How much would you be willing to pay per user?" (or words to that effect
Astrobytes: Check my post on discord for my thoughts on that
ZarthaxX: oh yeah that pricing thing was a concern lol
reCurse: I gave up on the Discord channel, too many spoilers
Astrobytes: I mean, it's legit good fun. For a casual user, paying? Nah.
Astrobytes: From discord: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f964ea5b-1a1b-4f9a-88c8-0bd2c8ce4c3b
Westicles: What happened to "I'll be giving that a miss then"?
Astrobytes: It just seems like something for CG for Work as opposed to something viable for us lot.
Astrobytes: Westicles: lol, I had to eat my words when TBali challenged me to try it before forming an opinion
Westicles: heh heh. Did you guys have audio going while playing? Seems like a necessary component
Astrobytes: Since I had an invite I went for it, was surprised in a good way.
Astrobytes: I didn't have mic until today though so I was lagging in text chat.
Westicles: We tried it with just chat, it wasn't pleasant
Astrobytes: Audio is a must imo.
Astrobytes: Pretty cool format though.
Astrobytes: If they consider payment then for me it speaks to companies and team leaders.
reCurse: I guess it could work as a work activity like you said
reCurse: Though I don't know, is there really a market for that
reCurse: Well I didn't try it but I'm not interested either
Astrobytes: Yeah, I'd be happy if my boss did something like that. I'm not sure if it's a marketable thing or not tbh.
Westicles: It was tougher than expected, and we had euler so I just got to watch him go
Astrobytes: I wasn't interested overly much but it was actually harder than we thought
reCurse: The thing is escape rooms work in person
Astrobytes: lol yeah, what difficulty/level did you do Westicles?
reCurse: Online? Meh.
Astrobytes: Don't take the escape room thing too literally in this case
reCurse: The whole purpose is team bonding so if you do it online, though I guess my mind isn't adjusted post-covid yet...
Westicles: It was the airlock one, easy I think
Astrobytes: We did the 80s medium one
Astrobytes: *Back to the 80s
Astrobytes: Bear in mind that me and struct (at least) went in with very low expectations.
Westicles: I wouldn't mind going through them alone, not really interesting in the team part
struct: yes and completing the tutorial did not help at all with the expectation
reCurse: So we're going to be flooded with clashers AND escapers now? -_-
Astrobytes: I think you can do them alone Westicles but it is kinda cool with a team on audio.
Astrobytes: reCurse: this is why I question who they are targeting here.
struct: I think for solo you have better Alternate reality games
Astrobytes: I cannot see the vast mahjority of CG users signing up to it, especially if paid
reCurse: I just can't see them monetizing that unless it's done privately like they do for contests etc
Astrobytes: *majority (too much mahjong :P )
reCurse: So I'm assuming f2p at some point
reCurse: I could be way off mark
Wontonimo: i think someone up in management went to an escape maze and just can't shut up about it, so to appease them ... CG escape maze
Astrobytes: Yeah, but this is why I mentioned microtransactions, f2p initially but unlocking more costs...
Wontonimo: i mean, i like escape maze as much as the next guy, but I haven't really got much out of online ones
reCurse: MTX is necessary
reCurse: This is how the market goes
Astrobytes: Yeah, I get that - but on CG?
reCurse: It's a game, it's online, it obeys the same rules
Astrobytes: Meh. Actually, given the recent discord discussion - yes.
Astrobytes: fizzbuzz in asm, dijkstra in clojure, that kinda thing
Wontonimo: in an interview, probably something easier than "easy" in CG
Astrobytes: (I'm joking)
Wontonimo: if you can do all easy, you'll be GTG
Astrobytes: Think they're usually up to medium, depends on the company
Wontonimo: are you actually directed to CG for interviews in France?
Astrobytes: No, just whoever signs up to their screening programme
Astrobytes: So if you interview with one of those companies you might get a CG test
Wontonimo: in Canada, a coding interview is usually a task completed at a white board. The main skills involved is being able to write psudo code without googling it while talking out loud and being open to critique
Astrobytes: Yeah, I mean I don't think it's like the be all and end all of the interview process, just a part
struct: but is that the first interview?
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm off to bed. Gn all, see you tomorrow
therealbeef: i wonder if those coding interviews are useful
therealbeef: i never do it when interviewing candidates
reCurse: To assess fitness for a role, no. To make sure you're not dealing with a pretender, yes.
therealbeef: i find it more important that they can design
reCurse: And the latter is very necessary, trust me.
Wontonimo: pretenders or horrible
reCurse: Same thing
therealbeef: you get a lot of pretenders?
Wontonimo: yeah, i agree with reCurse
reCurse: Well let's just say I was in the camp of "those tests are useless"
reCurse: Until I actually had to do interviews on the employer side
reCurse: And oh boy yes we need them.
reCurse: Some of the answers I've read...
Wontonimo: i had a candidate not know how many Kb is in a Mb. ... and they said they had 8 years experience
Wontonimo: they thought it was somewhere between 8 and 20
Westicles: I had a phone interview with spaceX. They give you a problem, 3 days to work on it, then fly you out to present the solution. Kind of hardcore
therealbeef: i do find that seniority doesnt mean much in some countries
reCurse: Try in general
reCurse: It is very possible to surf doing very little for many years
Wontonimo: I used to have a few OO questions that I was proud of for interviewees. Then I had a recursion question for interviewees. Now I stick with fizzbuzz level and try to get more talking and unit test examples out of them.
Wontonimo: i'm also okay with candidates using google
struct: Interviews should be done on CoC
Wontonimo: Good luck Ianc14
Wontonimo: whatever you do, make sure if you are called into an interview you can do that same problem in person and explain why
therealbeef: it's kind of a gut feeling often. i've accepted candidates that barely knew C++ but understood design, or candidates that were very quiet and hard to get answers out of. what matters for me is if they have the potential to learn things on the job and are open to be 'shaped', and (very important) if they fit in the team atmosphere
Wontonimo: if it helps, remember that you are interviewing them as much as they are interviewing your. As for the coding challenge itself, another way of taking the anxiety away is to believe that you'll do the best you can but in the end it is mostly a lottery if they find the one specific secret thing they are looking for in your code. You can't really do anything about it other than to do less than your regular.
Wontonimo: like poker, you can't always win a hand, but if you play enough and play right you will eventually win. There is nothing you can do to get a specific job, that's chance. Just keep on interviewing
skotz: anyone have tips for dealing with the c# gc while trying to do a bfs?
jacek: depends on the job. im android developer, but i have stuff on github or play store published and i'd rather talk about them during interview than many technical questions
jacek: skotz this? https://stackoverflow.com/a/32007523/3122936
skotz: yeah, i've been messing with that for a while with no luck
jacek: use nonGC language [solved]