jrke: damn my depth minimax bot in python can defeat depth 8 minimax bot of c++ mine :nerd:
jrke: i think cause bugs in my c++ bot
jrke: depth 2 minimax bot in python*
Andriamanitra: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/595249e2fdd7523cab7a57b3652120e4d51c
Andriamanitra: this clash has no business being approved and at +3 votes
Lisker_the_slow: wassup programerssss
Uwafuwa: :smile:
The_Else: hello everybody
jacek: good morning
marcal279: morninggg
marcal279: or rather afternoon now
Passifi: mornin'
Passifi: marcal i don't know what you're talking about it is morning in the correct part of the world :P
Stilgart: it's always morning, we are in a chat here ;)
TSC: Test
DarkDiamonD: Test passed.
Allstreamer_: noice
MSmits: morning
jrke: morning ms recurse took your othello
jacek: *our* othello
MSmits: for a day
jacek: 99902 chatacters, phew
MSmits: lol what?
MSmits: did you nearly fill your bot?
jacek: yeah, though i didnt minify the c. probably could get 2-3k chars
MSmits: ahh yeah
MSmits: small program then, I would be able to get 10
MSmits: 10k
MSmits: easily
jacek: hmm without weights its 26k
MSmits: ah yes, so you can get much more
MSmits: should be able to get down to 6k or less
MSmits: i have never had to do that thankfully
jrke: btw how do you compress them?bz2?
MSmits: minifier
jrke: whats that?
MSmits: there's free browser thingies
jacek: i dont use any compression
MSmits: or stuff you can down load
MSmits: google it jrke
MSmits: btw, i need to teach a class, ttyl :)
jacek: teach a struct
MSmits: :P
Gabriel_IUT: how to solve the othello problem
jrke: thats not problem its multiplayer game write your bot submit it and see where it stands in front of other players and then again improve you bot and submit
jacek: there is othello puzzle, jrke
jacek: that why the multiplayer game has othello-1
jrke: oh sorry i forgot
Velcoro: @Andriamanitra if you have a bunch of approvers, you can have anything aproved (check other top quality contributions of this author and his approvers)
jacek: :tada: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/524235642
MSmits: gj
MSmits: your rewrite?
jacek: eeyup
jacek: it has 68% winrate against old version. but to beat reBless i need something fundamentally different
Lisker_the_slow: what language do you use >
Lisker_the_slow: ?
struct: othello puzzle of the week :tada:
jacek: oh my
jacek: C++ mostly
jacek: and it is othello game, not othello puzzle
struct: c++ on multis, javascript on puzzles
MSmits: c++ on multis, C#/C++ on contests. C#/python on puzzles
MSmits: oh and python on clashes, if i ever care to
MSmits: basically i go from python -> C# -> c++ the more time i have available
jacek: and -> assembly
MSmits: lol one time i tried that, never again
Angecide: Hi, I was wondering how people in uttt calculate their win % during the game, are they dividing how many nodes their solver has proved win with loss or something else?
jacek: i use score / visits
jacek: of the chosen node
Angecide: I see
jacek: if you use [0, 0.5, 1] score then its score/visits
jacek: if [-1,0,1] scale accordingly
Angecide: ye that makes sense, on anoter note, I was gonna work on a NN for evaluating uttt board, but it turns out to be more pain than gain, and I also figured out from reading old CG logs that I should probably work on clever heuristic, since it is possible to reach top 10 with just good heuristic and fast mcts solver
jacek: only reBless uses NN successfully
Angecide: translating old discussions in #ru gave me some ideas
jacek: top legend is just performance-fest and some heuristics
Angecide: does recurse use NN for his uttt bot?
Angecide: the one that is top 1 in leaderboard
jacek: yes. he only recently submitted
Angecide: yea I see
struct: He also tried it long ago
struct: with no success
struct: he managed legend IIRC
forgatsby: Hi Guys
struct: hi
Angecide: btw, I always wondered, why is it that you can still keep computing for a short period during enemy turn?
Angecide: it's like a high risk high reward strategy, since it can sometimes give timeouts
struct: you cant
struct: when you output your process gets paused
struct: after opponent outputs it resumes
struct: This is why you might get timeouts
Angecide: I presume the 100ms is my turn, and anything that exceeds that is part of the enemy turn right?
struct: no
struct: 100ms
print
if you use time here
struct: it will overlap on next turn
struct: like
struct: 100ms
print()
20ms
struct: on next turn you will have 80
struct: because you already used 20 on that turn
struct: maybe im not explaining well :/
Angecide: ye I am trying to wrap my head around it, I think it makes sense, but I am using 109ms every time it is my turn, and I can play a lot of games with no timeouts
struct: When do you start your timer?
Angecide: right before my mcts loop, I don't start it when I receive enemy imputs
struct: The timer should start after reading first input
Angecide: ye that's what I mean, I am using way more than 100ms on my turn
struct: Yeah but you might get timeouts sometimes
Angecide: using 109 ms is a safe duration, 110ms is high risk but still doable with no timeouts
struct: in ide or arena?
Angecide: arena
struct: i tried and dont get timeouts aswell
Angecide: submit and reach high ranking in legend
struct: 10ms wont give me that much of an advantage
struct: I would need to rewrite my bot
Angecide: but, to my original question, do u have a theory on why this is possible?
struct: https://forum.codingame.com/t/timeouts-how-do-they-work/24504/4
Angecide: oh I see, so it is indeed an intended high risk strategy
TwilightImp_1204: 1
jacek: i used 95ms in bt and ocassionaly timeouted
wjan: python is 3.7?
Uljahn: ye
wjan: ty
Uljahn: https://www.codingame.com/faq for more details
YCS-Venom: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/15608491cda69aecb3328f3d109f3aadf890ab0
Kitkat260: can u guys help me with clash of code
Wontonimo: do you have the title of the clash?
Kitkat260: hold on
Kitkat260: its called it's a starry night
Wontonimo: I can't find a CoC with that exact name, sorry. Copy and paste the exact title please
Wontonimo: do you mean this community contribution that hasn't been accepted yet https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5984cf98ff9bc833f50bd37d11b149e25a07
Kitkat260: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8661152a0ee13a53e14a83eeb90aadeca6631b
Kitkat260: this it
eulerscheZahl: Wontonimo found it first, points go to him
Kitkat260: ok
PatrickMcGinnisII: still driving me crazy https://www.codingame.com/replay/524296878
eulerscheZahl: "driving"
I was expecting Space Maze, now I'm disappointed
PatrickMcGinnisII: space maze is a shorter route to crazy
1400179: Faithfully reproduced the frustration
1400179: A+
Kitkat260: wow
PatrickMcGinnisII: i'm gonna submit it anyways
eulerscheZahl: that map was unlucky, PatrickMcGinnisII :(
eulerscheZahl: for another one you shared there would have been a way to find another safe cell
RoboStac: can't you tell that square must be a mine ?
eulerscheZahl: not always
eulerscheZahl: there's only 1 validator. but random generated after your first click
RoboStac: there are 3 empty squares, a 2 with no mines and some ones that share the corner
RoboStac: no, I mean on that specific replay
PatrickMcGinnisII: I don't check non-adjacent subgroups
struct: that one was solvable yes
struct: or maybe not :/
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/107BcQJ
what do I miss?
1400179: No it's not solvable
RoboStac: your middle and left ones have 2 mines on a '1'
eulerscheZahl: right
RoboStac: only the right hand one is valid
PatrickMcGinnisII: maddenning https://www.codingame.com/replay/524296878
1400179: Oh nvm I'm dumb
eulerscheZahl: so you have the real minesweeper experience. authentic port to CG
1400179: I give it 5% out of 100
eulerscheZahl: :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: my win % is around 16%
eulerscheZahl: good enough to submit but can still be improved
PatrickMcGinnisII: which is better than it was it was at 7%
eulerscheZahl: how did you get those numbers? click "play" that often?
varName: Is this app enough to prepare for interviews?
PatrickMcGinnisII: took me 4 submits
eulerscheZahl: most of us are here for fun, we don't really know how interviews work
PatrickMcGinnisII: and 1 "I'm not a robot"
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/work/offers/screening/product-tour/
eulerscheZahl: to give you an idea about the interview process
PatrickMcGinnisII: glhf
eulerscheZahl: congrats on solving it
JM54: ngl, the constant void of being assigned assignment after assignment after assignment, is really hindering my self confidence in completing a coding course
struct: reCurse https://www.codingame.com/replay/524308197
struct: not sure if it happens often
eulerscheZahl: fix it
eulerscheZahl: i couldn't resist, I'll show the door to myself :(
struct: Well I cant reproduce it, so I think its not important
reCurse: Server hiccup probably
reCurse: Thanks though
DomiKo: struct doing some Chess?
reCurse: I'm starting to regret a bit the 50ms because the hiccups won't get fixed and it's going to cause issues
reCurse: But it's either that or give up pairings, so unacceptable
eulerscheZahl: or having some more fun with the SDK and find a way around
eulerscheZahl: the build process just includes a framework that handles some things for you and defines the constraints
eulerscheZahl: but i guess you could just copy-paste the whole SDK and include it in your contribution rather then referencing it via Maven
eulerscheZahl: and then adjust whatever you don't like
reCurse: I'm sure they would approve of me busting the time limit...
reCurse: Unless you mean there's a way to do explicit pairing by fiddling the SDK?
struct: DomiKo no, I might try it when I have more time
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/CodinGame/game-skeleton/blob/master/pom.xml
don't include the SDK as shown here
eulerscheZahl: just copy-paste the whole SDK code into your contribution
hpa: is c++20 available?
eulerscheZahl: and then tweak some constants :P
reCurse: Ok but to my actual question
eulerscheZahl: i saw some mirror thing iirc
reCurse: !
eulerscheZahl: didn't investigate any further
reCurse: hpa: not yet
hpa: thank you for your reply
eulerscheZahl: can't find the mirror anymore, maybe I was wrong :(
but saw something else that I want to test now
struct: yeah, I couldnt find mirror aswell
struct: I wonder if you can increase the time though
eulerscheZahl: i think that's possible (any might make some staff mad?)
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/CodinGame/codingame-game-engine/blob/master/engine/core/src/main/java/com/codingame/gameengine/core/GameManager.java#L38
reCurse: No I knew that, that's what I didn't want to do
reCurse: But enabling pairing though...
reCurse: Besides it's totally possible to get killed by a higher level process
reCurse: nvm didn't see struct's question for some reason
reCurse: My multitasking is failing today need to close this chat for a bit
JLukeSkywalker: if designing a road based game/puzzle, should the cars be on the left or the right?
JLukeSkywalker: wont actually affect input/output, just the visual
JLukeSkywalker: Output Line 1: True if in US, False otherwise
eulerscheZahl: US isn't the only country where they drive on the right, yk
JLukeSkywalker: the output line was a joke
JLukeSkywalker: just want to know in general on here, should it be right or left
eulerscheZahl: i vote for right but doesn't really matter
eulerscheZahl: make it a toggle in the viewer :P
eulerscheZahl: draw cards on both sides and use the DebugModule to hide one at a time
jacek: also the speed should be in km/h, not that heresy mph
eulerscheZahl: cars, not cards
eulerscheZahl: m/s
eulerscheZahl: SI-units
jacek: so when there sign with 100, that means 100 m/s?
BtB1: tfw the silly american uses bald eagles / hamburger instead of tea / crumpet
n4gb07: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6134e166e1820c3f53a2e3765700235e0a8e
BlaiseEbuth: I don't trust links with many numbers like this... Don't spam malicious links here n4gb07
n4gb07: its not phishing.. its a codingame link only
JLukeSkywalker: i think blaise was kidding, all the contribuion links are that long
n4gb07: asking people to review my contribution/creating question
Astrobytes: They will. It's in the contribution section.
n4gb07: :)
BlaiseEbuth: Oh ! I hav'nt seen your question... :smirk:
struct: Ascii art :rolling_eyes:
Astrobytes: I just see Yet Another Clash Contribution and close.
struct: I guess its fine, just not to my liking
BlaiseEbuth: You're very brave guys, for clicking on strange links like that. :o
JLukeSkywalker: hey, reviewing all the clash contributions sucks, but the more we have the better
JLukeSkywalker: also i didnt click on it, went in through the contributioon menu
Astrobytes: (I don't like clash)
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah, but you're an evil 5% member
eulerscheZahl: n4gb07 i will have a look if you review mine first https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5774f141c59462b06e77d826d14d052d7966
struct: review for review
n4gb07: @Blaise : iam a security engg.. i can understand about how ppl get phished :)
n4gb07: :)
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah ... But You don't understand what I meant...
eulerscheZahl: clashes are malicious?
BlaiseEbuth: Yes. But no, the other thing ^^
JLukeSkywalker: Blaise is malicious
n4gb07: :)
BlaiseEbuth: Yes. But no, the other thing ^^
n4gb07: conspiracy guy
BlaiseEbuth: -> "Hey guys ! I just created a clash contribution. Any feedback would be appreciated. Here's the link: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6134e166e1820c3f53a2e3765700235e0a8e Thx !"
BlaiseEbuth: Clearer ?
JLukeSkywalker: you dont have any clash contributions listed
Astrobytes: Good manners cost nothing n4gb07
Astrobytes: Hm, someone made Battleship multi
BlaiseEbuth: I prefer kancol
Astrobytes: ?
n4gb07: got waht you are saying Blaise..
i thought this is just chat.. not some official mail..so sent the link directly.. but what you say make sense
n4gb07: iam new here
Astrobytes: Just be polite, that's all
n4gb07: about 10days old : )
BlaiseEbuth: Of you course you don't need full salutations formulas, but at least some words...
n4gb07: :thumbsup:
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: WHAT! I demand full formal introductions at ALL TIMES.
Astrobytes: So uncouth... :P
JLukeSkywalker: @Astro: Take a cookie, open your floppy drive, insert cookie
Westicles: Dear Sirs, I am an eleven yo gold, please look at my contribution. BR, Sheila
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/594260c73701c441f17acd586a15d3e159e3
Westicles: *girl
BlaiseEbuth: I prefer gold
Astrobytes: ^
BlaiseEbuth: Astrobytes : kancol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantai_Collection
Astrobytes: "The central theme of the game is the representation of World War II warships personified as teenage girls and young adult women with personality characteristics reflecting the history of each ship"
I see.
BlaiseEbuth: :no_mouth:
Westicles: with tentacles no doubt
BlaiseEbuth: :octopus:
eulerscheZahl: politeness?
sudo review my contribution!
Astrobytes: Ohh Tentacles, the Greek god of seafood...
BlaiseEbuth: Give this man some hagiss, he's hungry
NazzLotrzyk: :cowboy:
MSmits: this chat is all over the place
MSmits: should I homogenize it with a smits-ramble
Astrobytes: Also see Spectacles: Greek god of eyesight.
Astrobytes: Finished rioting MSmits :D
MSmits: oh, the riots were on the news?
Astrobytes: Yes.
MSmits: did you see me dodge that horse charge?
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: Feel free to continue with your daily sermon.
MSmits: i am more worried about what i just found out a few minutes ago
BlaiseEbuth: League of legend championship ?
MSmits: apparently our health service for testing has been selling personal information to criminals
MSmits: massive amounts
Astrobytes: Which criminals? The UK govt? :P
struct: What multi next?
struct: any suggestion?
MSmits: nah not those, just your average fraud criminal
MSmits: identity theft, phishing etc.
Westicles: scrabble?
Astrobytes: Nice. Really cool of them.
MSmits: yeah...
MSmits: if you do scrabble, I will *book* it
MSmits: the book is a dictionary
Astrobytes: Scrabble was on Al Zimmerman once right?
Westicles: yeah
BlaiseEbuth: Why not organ traffickers ? "This guy lungs are OK"
Astrobytes: Ah you came 4th Westicles :)
Westicles: I did them manually, almost broke my brain
Astrobytes: lol, not surprised!
struct: how does it work?
struct: I know what scrabble is but for an AI?
Astrobytes: Check the AZ one for inspiration:
http://azspcs.com/Contest/AlphabetCityLight
Westicles: There are any big dictionary puzzles here, not sure if that is doable
Westicles: *aren't
Astrobytes: Perhaps eulerscheZahl knows
BlaiseEbuth: After freecell and minesweeper, I want space cadet !
Astrobytes: Ah the pinball
struct: not enough frames
BlaiseEbuth: :(
Westicles: You could do monopoly, but figuring out trading would be tricky
ErrorRazor: If you want an RNG-heavy game, yahtzee would be much easier to make than monopoly :p
eulerscheZahl: snakes and ladders
JBM: yahtzee… that'd be horrible
eulerscheZahl: regarding the big dictionary @Westicles
give it to the bot in the first turn?
eulerscheZahl: and include the list in the referee
ErrorRazor: Exactly, don't waste extra time making the horror more complex
BlaiseEbuth: Why not 421 ? :D
eulerscheZahl: i don't see why jahtzee should be more random than troll vs castle
**eulerscheZahl knows the game as Kniffel
Westicles: the official scrabble dictionary is 100k words...
ErrorRazor: yuge
eulerscheZahl: not sure how much input we can read in 1 turn but 100k probably exceeds that
jacek: MSmits you havent your C4 results in 2 days. the suspense is killing me
eulerscheZahl: how about taking the full list of words in the referee but only sending a subset to the players each time?
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: that would also ensure that each game is different
eulerscheZahl: no hardcoding, books or anything
Westicles: that's a great idea
Westicles: make it so
Astrobytes: I was thinking this, dependent on the validators you can send the appropriate subset
eulerscheZahl: wait, is that for a puzzle or multiplayer?
eulerscheZahl: or optim
Astrobytes: Optim I presume
Astrobytes: AZ style
eulerscheZahl: i see
Westicles: I was thinking multi
Astrobytes: Interesting...
Westicles: I was going to try to make an optim just like Alz, but the winner published his code...
Astrobytes: Ah.
eulerscheZahl: sorry for German :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVP_wcV3yH8&ab_channel=SpinMasterDeutschland
eulerscheZahl: Topwords, another game about making words
eulerscheZahl: where you can write above existing words
Astrobytes: Hmm, that looks interesting too.
ErrorRazor: Looks exactly like Upwords
Astrobytes: (It is)
eulerscheZahl: i don't know upwords :D
eulerscheZahl: I blame German marketing
jacek: german :scream:
eulerscheZahl: of course the Polish user is scared
Astrobytes: :D
jacek: everything in german sounds like doomsday weapon
Westicles: here it comes...Schmetterling!
Astrobytes: And everything in Polish sounds like "schneepschneepschepschneep"
DomiKo: that's accurate
Astrobytes: I know!
Astrobytes: Confirmed with multiple Polish people.
struct: no notification for puzzle of the week?
Astrobytes: Not for me, what is it?
struct: I guess its a bug that came with the new deploy :(
struct: Othello
Astrobytes: The multi?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: Oh cool
struct: No email too?
Astrobytes: Didn't check
eulerscheZahl: i unsubscribed from the emails
Astrobytes: I usually ignore them
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/xmbta5
Astrobytes: Yeah, that page seriously needs updating.
Astrobytes: (very minor issue)
eulerscheZahl: move that screenshot directly to #bugs
struct: the 95% dont go to that page
struct: oh tehre is no email for potw
struct: I guess its fine
struct: But ill report the no notification
eulerscheZahl: it's sometimes late
eulerscheZahl: i think it's a manual trigger
Astrobytes: Like the selection process eh...
jacek: last week was in late evening
duckymirror: Is Rust code compiled in release mode when I test it in the IDE?
Astrobytes: Yes, they fixed that issue.
duckymirror: That explains why my integers overflow without crashing... :sweat_smile:
duckymirror: Thanks!
Astrobytes: haha, no worries
jacek: rust...
jacek: oh wait, that why rebless could test against dbdr
Astrobytes: Yeah, they fixed it before a contest iirc
Astrobytes: It's on the forum/discord somewhere
Astrobytes: "rebless" :D
struct: they fixed it during fc 2020
struct: they were "forced" too
Astrobytes: That was because of "rebless" right
struct: yes
Astrobytes: I remember now.
struct: If they fixed rust and didnt fix C#
struct: he could have done the same
struct: :D
Astrobytes: Indeed.
jacek: done what?
duckymirror: I miss my overflow panics... And those inlined functions in stack traces are pretty confusing too:grinning:
Astrobytes: Can you not activate a debug mode prior to submitting? e.g. like with a C++ pragma directive?
Astrobytes: So you can deactivate it when you submit I mean.
duckymirror: I don't know a way to do that, but I'm far from being a Rust expert
jacek: just pump some oxygen into iron
Astrobytes: Just seems like since Rust already thought of everything else they would have thought of that too :D
Astrobytes: I do like the fact that the Rust mascot is called Ferris.
duckymirror: They didn't make Rust for environments without access to the configuration
XIlayPVPX: Yo, if anyone did "Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock" how do I look at others' solutions?
XIlayPVPX: my solution was super long and stupid
XIlayPVPX: and I'm hoping that the guy who wrote the question didn't intend for the programmer to test every single possible scenario individually
JLukeSkywalker: if you have solved it, clicking results should show other's solutions
XIlayPVPX: got it, I guess I gotta finish up the code
struct: jacek with rust you could check if it was on arena or ide
struct: if it was on ide you could just crash the bot
struct: Same with C#
JLukeSkywalker: nvm, its on the main problem page after you solve it
struct: you only needed to check debug flag
JLukeSkywalker: any good resources for optimizing java run times? My referee is pretty slow
darkhorse64: Your game should use degrees instead of radians. It's much more intuitive
Astrobytes: Looks fun though.
Astrobytes: Also, game turns and such are modifiable from the SDK no?
struct: what do you mean astro?
MSmits: jacek
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1fe88964-718f-4f5d-88c7-58e0832be299
jacek: ?
struct: wow
MSmits: you asked
Astrobytes: To change number of turns/times etc struct
MSmits: oh damn
jacek: ivalid id
MSmits: that still doesnt work
MSmits: let me just put it in the connect4 thread
struct: yeah its possible
struct: gameManager.setMaxTurns()
struct: gameManager.setTurnTimeout
Astrobytes: JLukeSkywalker was looking to increase his turns
Astrobytes: for Tanks
MSmits: jacek updated. Nearly to 1M games
struct: ah I didnt read
struct: if he wants to make it 4 players
struct: he can go up to 150 turns per player using 50ms earch
struct: so 600 turns total
Astrobytes: Maybe reply to his forum thread (just noticed he made one)
Astrobytes: Nice work MSmits
MSmits: thanks, hope there's no bug in it lol
MSmits: wouldnt be the first time i notice one after weeks
Astrobytes: Heh. There's a reason for those proofs in the papers you know :P
struct: MSmits I want the meta for Amazons /s
MSmits: it wouldn't get past ply 1 :P
struct: About the optimizations I cant help him much
struct: I just write bad java code
struct: and my contributions are very simple
MSmits: it will be interesting to see how re curse solves amazons
struct: I wonder how well NN do there
jacek: especially MLP with friendship extension
MSmits: pretty sure it's doable, but output will be different
Astrobytes: Might work better as a component of a multi-faceted solution
Astrobytes: Haven't checked papers recently
JLukeSkywalker: sry, was afk. was thinking about degrees instead of radians, simple swap on my end, can do it. I know how to set the turn number and time limit per turn, its just that my referee takes so long that I am hitting the maximum game time.
JLukeSkywalker: also very sorry, its a simple program so i didnt comment it, didnt need to. will upload a commented version in a bit
struct: https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/44583c0f-7cc9-490b-94ea-0e0df067a46d/view/de1eaffe-9b12-4471-84b9-87bfce50bd59/Song_Jiaxing_Spring2013.pdf
struct: Someone tried to solve it :scream:
JLukeSkywalker: I think most of the issue is that I'm using an arraylist of bullets and doing a double for loop for collisions
struct: Can bullets collide with bullets?
JLukeSkywalker: no, just active players
JLukeSkywalker: so its currently
for bullet:
for player:check
JLukeSkywalker: which works, but is slow
darkhorse64: add shield and collision for tanks :innocent:
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: potw notification struct
struct: nice
darkhorse64: only a half joke actually
Astrobytes: I actually agree
Astrobytes: What was that game... Robot Wars? It was in Java, you had a robot with a turret and a radar
JLukeSkywalker: robocode
darkhorse64: maybe a cooldown for the gun. Too many bullets
Astrobytes: Yeah that's it JLukeSkywalker
JLukeSkywalker: * the inspiration :)
Astrobytes: Aha! :)
jacek: and puzzle of the week notification
JLukeSkywalker: wanted to keep it as simple as possible as it is already decently complex. might add a league with tank collision, healing if your bullet hits, and other goodies
Astrobytes: Already said it jacek
jacek: :s
struct: I was hoping for the type of map that I once tried to make
struct: were you can wrap around
JLukeSkywalker: for the tank game?
struct: yeah, I attempted to do something similar
struct: but never finished
JLukeSkywalker: its like 1 line of code to swap mine to that, just felt odd
struct: not 1 line
struct: at least it wasnt for what I was trying to do
JLukeSkywalker: the way i did my edge detection, i just swap where i have 0, height, and width
JLukeSkywalker: and it wraps instead of absolute border
struct: Removing debug messages might increase your referee speed
Astrobytes: Wraparound for Tanks doesn't seem right imo
JLukeSkywalker: ^^
JLukeSkywalker: yeah, i thought about corner abusing
darkhorse64: No disrespect for what you have done already but I think you need to make the game more complex while avoiding a Coders of the Carribean clone
Astrobytes: Turret rotation, radar, etc
Astrobytes: (imo)
struct: ah you dont have debug messages my bad, I missread
JLukeSkywalker: the controls and firing are very different, you have a turret control, and the actual bullet paths are different. I do want to add things like collision, but want to just get this workign first
jacek: MSmits rebooking?
darkhorse64: No worries, we are brainstorming
JLukeSkywalker: yeah, no insults taken at all
struct: im surprised to see that
struct: gameManager.addToGameSummary(player.getAvatarToken() + " was hit by " + firer.getAvatarToken());
struct: works
struct: But doesnt show avatars
Astrobytes: (the fact we're giving ideas it means we're interested :P )
struct: I guess it gets replaced by player.getNicknameToken()
JLukeSkywalker: oh lol, was the other one depreciated?
struct: The other one
struct: is to get the avatar
struct: But it still shows the name for some reason
JLukeSkywalker: maybe because i smashed it into a text field
MSmits: jacek ofcourse
MSmits: would not be fair to you if i skipped on re curse
reCurse: Is this really how you're going to play this?
MSmits: of course not, I was kidding
Astrobytes: (not)
MSmits: I was, poor joke maybe
Astrobytes: You went from MSBits to MBook
MSmits: dont be sensitive about it though reCurse, i did give fair warning about Othello
reCurse: Despicable
jacek: maybe if more players with strong bots appear, the situation will be better
MSmits: Onitama is a better game, no issues there
MSmits: jacek i think you may be right
Astrobytes: Ah lol, I didn't see your submit until now.
reCurse: What a joke
MSmits: i was not sure before
MSmits: but othello does take a lot of codesize, so i guess so, i think i would get tired of it before i ran out though
MSmits: reCurse if it really bothers you so much, i can just turn off the book and resubmit, i'll be top 10 somewhere
MSmits: but the thing is
MSmits: the method is out there
MSmits: if not me...
MSmits: well actually old john is already doing it (check out all the draws in my last submit, those are perfect games)
MSmits: this is a serious question by the way reCurse, I am not here to annoy people to this degree, if you want me to turn it off, i'll turn it off
MSmits: and no hard feelings
struct: just blame the creator for not adding forced openings
struct: :D
struct: illl take the blame
MSmits: nah struct, at that point you could not have known
MSmits: I didn't either
MSmits: well i didnt know it would be that easy
struct: Yeah, I dont do research on the games I port tbh
struct: I just ask for suggestions and do it
Astrobytes: Yeah, you non-forced-opening-multi-creator. Burn!!!
Astrobytes: :P
jacek: yinsh hasnt opening issues, has it
MSmits: thats an interesting game
MSmits: needs more players, but i'd do paper soccer first i think
jacek: try to book that
struct: So many games and I was thinking on starting to code Havannah
Astrobytes: struct, you can make a contrib with the forced openings for othello
Astrobytes: Private or public, whatever
MSmits: perhaps it's possible to have an agreement between me and old john to remove the books?
MSmits: or just me, old johns book isnt nearly as good, though he does victimize dbdr i think
Astrobytes: Others book to some extent too
jacek: nah, if its classic game then books are part of it
Astrobytes: ^
MSmits: mmh ok
MSmits: I dont feel bad for using them in oware, but in othello i do kinda
MSmits: cuz therés no way to stop it
MSmits: in connect4 I'm just trying to see if i can solve the game, never solved a game that big before
MSmits: maybe it will take a year :P
jacek: what other game you solved then
Astrobytes: jacek bringing the shade
MSmits: TTT and some optim stuff
MSmits: i solved some cotr phrases :P
Astrobytes: How is the search going?
MSmits: oh, got to rank 21. I have a good search now for non-loopy stuff
MSmits: it's very easy to search if you assume there are no loops possible
Astrobytes: Nice. Yeah, that makes sense.
struct: Are you fully solving?
struct: or is weakly solved?
MSmits: one phrase was funny. I did a manual solution for 292 chars
MSmits: then i did a BS with 2.5 million beamwidth
MSmits: and the optimal solution was.... 292 chars
MSmits: checker with someone else and he also had 292 for this one
Astrobytes: 1st LOL @ "2.5 million beamwidth"
2nd... well :)
MSmits: struct i solved only tiny ones for now, but with a meta mcst and hashing and more pruning i feel like i should be able to solve those <100 sized ones
struct: yeah, but you are only solving from starting position right?
MSmits: or do you mean in general? If you mean for board games, i always do weakly
struct: or do all states get solved?
struct: ah ok
Astrobytes: Until he convinces a university to lend him all their computing power.
MSmits: strongly solving is really rare because you need to know the best move from every state
MSmits: i would be afraid to find a bug after a million cpu hours :P
Astrobytes: What you never tell them, they will never know . . .
MSmits: it's one of the reason i run on 1 cpu core at a time, so i dont waste too much when i make a mistake
MSmits: in a sense i did solve a lot of "games" from a certain position. Like a uttt game 22 plies in or something
MSmits: i'm always solving stuff, just not whole games
Astrobytes: Also (back to original topic) I have a feeling that reCurse is gonna train against you hard and beat you again.
MSmits: well if he submits another version i may just let him that time
reCurse: No I'm done playing these stupid games. Hope you feel you deserve it.
MSmits: as I said, i can turn it off... it obviously bothers you
reCurse: What were you expecting? Congratulations?
jacek: no. he said it doesnt bother him.
jacek: so it doesnt bother him
MSmits: reCurse nah, not really
Astrobytes: Oi, where's that competitiveness
DJNinjaSpoon_37b8: fortnite
aidanv77: damn that shit look like it belong in fortnite
AntiSquid: what shit
aidanv77: that shit
AntiSquid: fortnite is the shit :/
aidanv77: ok
MSmits: that's actually a positive thing to say about it i think AntiSquid
aidanv77: lmao
MSmits: that's how the youngsters talk
AntiSquid: meant it literally
aidanv77: the youngsters hahah
MSmits: yeah i dont tihnk he got that
aidanv77: i got it
AntiSquid: sorry for negativity, enjoy your game
MSmits: who is this who stole AntiSquid's account
MSmits: the real AntiSquid would not back down from a burn
MSmits: pile on the fortnite bashing :P
AntiSquid: i don't see the problem, let the man enjoy his shit
MSmits: yeah I guess that's ok. If he didnt play fortnite he would just do something else silly, like the other youngsters
MSmits: how is it going AntiSquid?
MSmits: did you hear we got the riots too here
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: been doing some work in a vaccination center, highlight of the month ... all month?! :thinking:
MSmits: oh.. is this voluntary helping out? Or a job?
MSmits: or something in between maybe?
AntiSquid: more like since i work from home and have nothing else to do atm, might as well do this
aidanv77: damn bro my balls be stickin to my dick
MSmits: that's really cool of you AntiSquid
AntiSquid: idk it's really dull
MSmits: doesn't matter really
struct: aidan stop trolling
aidanv77: im not trolling
MSmits: you're helping
JLukeSkywalker: clash wont let me test or submit
JLukeSkywalker: but site isnt lagging?
TFisicaro: it's painfully slow
IlkerSaxion: Yeah
thanhhv317: have a good day everyone
Wings_of_Safety: hey any idea why my solved puzzles all say 0% even though I have 100% on them and achievements for them?
struct: Somtiems it takes a bit to update Wings_of_Safety
Rodrigo_the_coder: lol
Rodrigo_the_coder: what is W_o_S
**Rodrigo_the_coder slaps ur dicks around a bit with a large fishbot
Lisker_the_slow: wassup programerssss
