eulerscheZahl: AkhilJohn is a bot
eulerscheZahl: I almost forgot: Happy Caturday
jrke: oh me too happy caturday
struct: because its a bot
Salted: ha! it's funny
Salted: they've played tens of thousands of games
Vigasaurus: yeah imagine dedicating their entire life to this
eulerscheZahl: and still being that bad at it
Vigasaurus: I will say, I kinda wish this didn't use captcha
Vigasaurus: I get one literally every time
jacek: happy Caturday
AntiSquid: ChampionCoder there's a report functionality on the profile, report them for being bots, also report AutomatonNN, gotta purge them all
AntiSquid: AutomatonNN dead? Automaton2000
AutomatonNN: ah no i don't know how to speed it to the problem
AutomatonNN: i need some help with coding today
C_Boy: anyone else keep running out of time for the clashes?
eulerscheZahl: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/ search them here and keep playing if you want to finish after the 15min
proogrmr: amazing tnx
jacek: good afternoon
Stilgart: Automaton2000: are you dead?
Stilgart: no more turtles ;(
jacek: omelette du fromage
AntiSquid: that's not turkish
jacek: not really french either
BlaiseEbuth: Turkeys are not turkish either.
BlaiseEbuth: Immigrant ones ?
BlaiseEbuth: Very flattering...
jacek: maybe they were hungary
BlaiseEbuth: See that big chicken over there ? We gonna name it "Turkey" and we gonna eat it once a year.
BlaiseEbuth: If they had been english, probably the big chicken would have been named "France"...
EmreUnlu: they named it like that bsc during the UK embargo over Ireland irish ppl starve to death bcs lack of food but old Turkey (Ottoman Empire) exported them "turkeys" to help them then they named it after them.
jacek: so it is form of gratitude
BlaiseEbuth: "I like you. I will name this poultry after you."
BlaiseEbuth: "race" :/
eulerscheZahl: ok, let's make fun about Uruguay then
eulerscheZahl: there's a google reCaptcha
BlaiseEbuth: Solve a captcha on a twitch live ?
eulerscheZahl: which is blocked in China
eulerscheZahl: get a VPN or wait a bit. you only get captchas if you play too many clashes in a row
eulerscheZahl: as BlaiseEbuth mentioned twitch: that's a weird stream featured right now, isn't it?
BlaiseEbuth: Oh ?
BlaiseEbuth: How someone can code on a picture background ?! Oo
eulerscheZahl: transparent editor
BlaiseEbuth: Thanks... :expressionless:
BlaiseEbuth: I meant how can somebody support that.
eulerscheZahl: or some Atom extension
eulerscheZahl: that clash, only 1 user got 100% :D
BlaiseEbuth: So. Is the neko girl a problem ?
eulerscheZahl: i don't know. personally I don't care
eulerscheZahl: just weird
eulerscheZahl: and music that only plays while the streamer is talking. and a computer voice to read chat messages
eulerscheZahl: i've seen enough
BlaiseEbuth: I don't care either. But I remember some users who were choked by the "wondev woman" background...
eulerscheZahl: if twitch doesn't ban it, CG should be fine with it too
eulerscheZahl: we are more liberal than twitch, aren't we?
BlaiseEbuth: Hope so.
BlaiseEbuth: Oh ! Hatsune Miku.
eulerscheZahl: Hakuna Matata
Astrobytes: Catgirls! Quick, tell jacek
BlaiseEbuth: Seriously ! The guy is from ireland ? I would have bet on an east-asian country...
eulerscheZahl: and AntiSquid
BlaiseEbuth: Don't put a squid with a neko-girl...
jacek: is this logarithm?
jacek: its a small part. but do you compute log(parentVisits) for every children? or just once and just put the value there
jacek: though still its hard to tell whats taking so much in your selection phase
reCurse: You might be looking at a too micro level
reCurse: What does the selection look like
reCurse: Also you're always bound by *something*, so if your rollout is really light, then it being bound by selection makes sense.
Angecide: I tried creating my selection as true to the vanilla mcts algo as possible. Basically after each reset, I start at the root, and do a for each loop on all reachable nodes from the current node and compute the ucb1 in order to pick the most promising one. I then set current node to the best node and repeat.
reCurse: Also % is always going to move somewhere so you need more absolute metrics
reCurse: Also if your exploration constant is too low, you'll go very deep in the tree, and therefore spend even more time in selection
Waffle3z: why not remove os.execute and all analogous functions in other languages from code golf so all of the language leaderboards aren't fake
reCurse: Because it's not a priority
jacek: clash is priority>
Waffle3z: has another clash wars happened since java
Waffle3z: you could just figure out whatever the execute function is in whatever the chosen clash wars language is and write the language you want instead
reCurse: And I don't think exploitation and the prevention of it is the main point of those
Waffle3z: it could be if people brought the code golf problem somewhere else with more attention
Waffle3z: clash wars
reCurse: Like I said I don't think that's the priority of clash wars
reCurse: Or the main point
Waffle3z: if they're organizing a clash wars and somebody finds some boilerplate to paste that lets them write in python instead and beat everyone else then now it's at least more relevant than code golf
reCurse: Sure. Cross the bridge when it gets there.
Waffle3z: they'll just have to do another clash wars again eventually
reCurse: It's all very hypothetical and I don't think competitive integrity is a priority for those either, again.
reCurse: And much like obfuscation rule, they could review and disqualify, hypothetically.
reCurse: Much simpler to implement too.
Waffle3z: they could do that for code golf then
Waffle3z: unless competitive integrity isn't a priority
reCurse: It's worth it for a competition
reCurse: Not for a playground
reCurse: They don't have time to keep reviewing code golfs all year long
reCurse: Might be the least popular section of the site too
Waffle3z: right, which is why that's dumb and removing the exploits isn't
reCurse: You were talking about clash wars
reCurse: You're moving the goal posts
reCurse: It's frustrating
Waffle3z: right, clash wars is more relevant than code golf so bringing it there would get it more attention
reCurse: Feel free to keep complaining then, but the reasoning should be obvious
Waffle3z: but they could still choose to manually review and disqualify clash wars solutions and still ignore code golf solutions
struct: Also I dont think cg can remove some stuff easily
struct: The c++ is the same for everywhere
reCurse: You might want to learn the basics elsewhere and come back to practice
reCurse: It's not a very good site to learn
struct: Dont think they will change every language just for golf
reCurse: Also please provide the 'simple' implementation for removing those and countering circumvention
Waffle3z: figured since code.golf does it anywhere else could too but its language implementations are open-source so maybe the community patched it themselves there
Waffle3z: doesn't sound easy to fix otherwise
eulerscheZahl: i expect my C# golfing to drastically improve with the next language update
XorZy: Yeah, still probably won't beat ruby or perl but a nice improvement nonetheless
darkhorse64: What are the expected changes ?
eulerscheZahl: you don't need a class and main function anymore
eulerscheZahl: just start with the body of the main
reCurse: Still have those pesky using namespaces though
darkhorse64: Very big change for sure
reCurse: Not good for size
eulerscheZahl: i'm not even sure if I like that change
darkhorse64: like C++ #include <iostream>
eulerscheZahl: obviously i don't care about golfing at all
Astrobytes: you can use #import instead of #include darkhorse64
darkhorse64: and remove the space.
eulerscheZahl: and as we are on it, let's use "" instead of <> doesn't make it shorter, just for additional shudder
reCurse: That works?
darkhorse64: Nothing beats 16 bit encoding for ugliness
eulerscheZahl: not sure if it works along with the missing space but in general it does
reCurse: I thought quotes ignored include directories
Astrobytes: hm, it works. I had no idea.
eulerscheZahl: when I leared C/C++ (already a decade ago :scream:), i've been told to use <> for libraries and "" for my own headers (as a style guide)
reCurse: That's usually how it goes, but I thought it was because "" was directly relative to the file and <> goes to include directories
eulerscheZahl: they do the same
reCurse: No actually it's implementation defined
reCurse: Effing great.
reCurse: So it might have been true at some point in my existence
eulerscheZahl: oh, the usual unspecified behavior we love :D
reCurse: "Searches for the file in implementation-defined manner. The intent of this syntax is to search for the files under control of the implementation. Typical implementations search only standard include directories. The standard C++ library and the standard C library are implicitly included in these standard include directories. The standard include directories usually can be controlled by the user through compiler options."
reCurse: That's for <>
reCurse: So I wasn't far off actually
reCurse: For the intent at least
eulerscheZahl: how did that not become a pastebin?
reCurse: I wasted my wish on that special power
Astrobytes: line breaks
Astrobytes: or lack thereof
eulerscheZahl: there's also a pastbin after X chars
Astrobytes: maybe not enough chars to trigger it?
eulerscheZahl: but that wasn't the point, thanks for quoting that
reCurse: But quotes don't ignore the include directories, sadly
reCurse: "Searches for the file in implementation-defined manner. The intent of this syntax is to search for the files that are not controlled by the implementation. Typical implementations first search the directory where the current file resides and, only if the file is not found, search the standard include directories as with (1)."
reCurse: That last bit triggers me, oh well.
eulerscheZahl: and that's how I didn't even need Java to trigger you
reCurse: Some ill-intended people would say you don't need much to trigger me.
reCurse: Speaking of ill-intended people
kovi: meh: last weeks d&b has two newcomers in top3 and interestingly now everyone else is in a big pack
BlaiseEbuth: Dungeon & Bacon ?
jrke: yup very close points
jrke: dots and boxes = D&B
jacek: or maybe the bots code is leaking
jacek: and we have some random guy ahead
Metanoob: maybe drunk&baked? not condoning bad behavior?
kovi: not random. i remember he did well with kutulu (was among the first smitsimax users)
jrke: i will say yes we all are having same rating of bot
Salted: Do you guys monitor this manually or is there a process that flags groups like that?
Salted: You know what would be a great feature. Listing the ranking that code achieved at the time along with the date in the History list of submitted code for competitions. That's a mouthful.
reCurse: Wasn't there a third party like that?
jacek: magus' cgstats?
reCurse: No neither
reCurse: It had a graph over time
reCurse: Of player rankings
Astrobytes: Ohhh, I remember that. Was during the Amadeus competition he linked it I think?
eulerscheZahl: from .Adrien
Astrobytes: (the unofficial one)
eulerscheZahl: even seems up to date, i thought it broke at some point
eulerscheZahl: but the game list isn't updating
Salted: Thanks for the CGEnhancer tip! That's awesome
Astrobytes: Wait til it steals all your memory...
eulerscheZahl: we still have dbdr's github for leaderboards
eulerscheZahl: yeah, I disabled CG Enhancer again :(
jacek: hmm no onitama there
Astrobytes: It's a shame, rather useful.
reCurse: As if CG wasn't bad enough
reCurse: Makes my GPU perf drops significantly whenever I have a viewer open...
jacek: no mining for you then
reCurse: No no I despise cryptomining
reCurse: That's insulting
jacek: no GPU or CPU available :(
reCurse: So I was looking into GCE for GPUs
reCurse: Apparently there's shortage there too
reCurse: It's maddening
Salted: If you had to "mine" something but it had to benefit the world in a better way than bitcoin would would you compute?
Astrobytes: Protein folding or something
Salted: So harder and harder proteins until they're nearly impossible and require insane amounts of computation to find a new protein coin?
reCurse: I find the cryptocurrency concept abhorrent
reCurse: As a whole
reCurse: Doesn't matter if it pretends to contribute to making the world a better place
jacek: someone mining opening book coins
Astrobytes: No coins. Just protein folding. I also hate crypto stuff. https://deepmind.com/blog/article/alphafold-a-solution-to-a-50-year-old-grand-challenge-in-biology
reCurse: Not sure I would risk crowdsourcing important stuff like that
Astrobytes: Even if it's just lending some computational power it can only be useful right?
jacek: hey! if only it would lead to bioengineering cat girls...
reCurse: You're assuming a lot of good intent out of people
reCurse: That's surprising
jacek: + electricity cost
Astrobytes: I let my inner optimist out for a split second.
reCurse: Besides it's not even about greater good or stuff like that
reCurse: Crypto is a net negative
reCurse: Even using that power for gaming is better
reCurse: At least it has a purpose
Salted: I don't like coins either, but they exist.
Salted: I also though weather prediction could be good. Computation would be based on predicting the weather further and further out including all points between for a particular spot on earth. The spot would change making sure we cover all of earth.
Salted: As the future starts at seconds (for easy coins) then progresses to times such as 10 days, 1 month, maybe 1 year out. This way you also have to wait that amount of time to verify the coin.
Salted: Good / bad outcomes. If the coins became so valuable you'd have people in policy making roles trying to swing climate change policies to affect the weather for the economy. So maybe someone is better big on super heating / ice age and well we push ourselves towards that for the money.
Salted: It's like the plot to a bad movie
reCurse: Is there really a point though? Why not just put that job to data centers.
reCurse: Eliminates a lot of unneeded complexity
Astrobytes: Weather prediction is already actually very good considering how chaotic a system it is.
reCurse: Surely they already have tons of investments on complex models already.
reCurse: Not sure if lack of compute is an issue
Astrobytes: Can be, but probably limited to prediction of individual phenomena as opposed to general weather system models.
reCurse: In any case I'd say funding + data centers will do a lot more nicely than some weird crowdfunding cryptocurrency scheme
Astrobytes: Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.
Salted: I just wish the coins were doing anything useful since we use as much electricity as entire country of Switzerland to get compute them.
reCurse: That's my entire gripe about them.
reCurse: They are just some financial speculation plaything
reCurse: Born out of laughably innocent ideals, to put it charitably.
reCurse: Wasting tons of resources in the process, and bringing what? Absolutely nothing tangible.
reCurse: Like I said, even the most frivolous and vacuous entertainment would be better than that
Astrobytes: I guess a few shady characters turn a decent profit with it.
reCurse: Of course there's money to be made
reCurse: But for the sake of ripping others out
reCurse: Absolutely no value is produced
reCurse: Reminds me of that guy who mass bought sanitizer products before covid to make money out of it
reCurse: Makes me want to puke
reCurse: Parasites the lot of them
Astrobytes: There's a lot of that about.
Salted: Shady for sure. I'm always afraid someone will get access to aws root accounts (or similar) and get setup a bitcoin farm. Even for a few minutes that's a huge ass bill.
reCurse: There's already tons of hacking around planting cryptomining
reCurse: Fucking disease
jacek: reminds me of bots crawling github for private keys or tokens
eulerscheZahl: nowadays even github itself does that
igr.: What do you have to do to get mod on codingame?
jacek: be insane
Astrobytes: Mine bitcoins.
eulerscheZahl: i once uploaded a private key (the database contains no user data, just a list of CG puzzles that I don't care to protect). and github instantly warned me
reCurse: That's cool
eulerscheZahl: be a respected community member for a long time. and then get suggested by Astrobytes when Thibaud is looking for new mods
jacek: and someone actually suggested me :v
Astrobytes: that was that WINWINWIN character, or someone... not me
eulerscheZahl: with MK mod, why not you? ;)
Astrobytes: And yes, I was the unwilling kingmaker.
Astrobytes: For want of a better term.
eulerscheZahl: to be fair i was mod on discord at that time. and Thibaud merged those teams so probably your nomination wasn't even necessary
reCurse: Let's ignore the strange nature of the question
eulerscheZahl: ok, back to Bitcoin
jacek: AutomatonNN could you mine bitcoin for better UTTT moves?
eulerscheZahl: or another question as Astrobytes is colorblind: what do you think about an option to select the color for each player in a multiplayer game?
eulerscheZahl: and assign a fixed color for yourself and opponent
reCurse: Sounds like a terrible design constraint to respect
Astrobytes: Yes, that would be useful in some games for sure.
eulerscheZahl: why terrible? to find enough fitting colors to choose from?
Astrobytes: Most systems use shapes or symbols to indicate differences though.
eulerscheZahl: because I have something like that working already (select a static color for yourself + opponent)
Salted: Seems better to just consider colorblind to start and put other types of signifiers on the shapes instead of relying on color alone.
reCurse: To make all colors look good
reCurse: No matter the game
eulerscheZahl: the user just has to pick a pair of 2 colors that look good
reCurse: Dark vs dark background or vice versa...
eulerscheZahl: and the game uses a default pair that's ok as well
reCurse: Customization is a pain
eulerscheZahl: well, you could still keep the default
eulerscheZahl: as a user
reCurse: I guess.
jacek: im dumb...
jacek: i was wndering why after each iteration the trained model had either 0% or 100% winrate
jacek: i forgot to seed
reCurse: Let me guess
jacek: and i use xorshift
reCurse: Fixed starting position and deterministic MCTS
reCurse: That's more boring
eulerscheZahl: actually my main question: if i assign a static color for me and opponent but the game is between other players: should I use the default colors or give one of the players my color?
eulerscheZahl: argument for custom colors: colorblind users may want a higher contrast. argument against: you don't participate, makes it clearer when watching
reCurse: As long as I get the option to override any customization and leave things to default, I'm fine
Astrobytes: Yes, any customization should definitely be purely optional.
eulerscheZahl: of course, it will be
jacek: :unamused: https://i.imgur.com/tyGgkth.png
reCurse: Unless it's part of a CG monetization scheme to sell hats. Then...
eulerscheZahl: resonable default colors if you don't select anything
eulerscheZahl: game 90 has a winner
Salted: I'd buy many hats!
jacek: and this is not checkers
Astrobytes: wow, that's an impressive lead that mikll a has in D&B.
eulerscheZahl: they are using this for vim: https://github.com/brijeshb42/monaco-vim i'm pretty sure it's not that easy for you to modify
eulerscheZahl: there was a bug in it reported recently and CG made a pull request to that repo and Thibaud said they are waiting for it to get approved
Astrobytes: Nice, jumped to 22nd in samegame
Astrobytes: Unoptimized, online.
DomiKo: Wish you luck with offline
eulerscheZahl: your score is an even number => offline ;)
Astrobytes: Nope. That's online.
Astrobytes: Or wait - are you counting only the first turn as offline?
eulerscheZahl: no, we play the whole game offline
eulerscheZahl: and as someone had the brillant (typo intended) idea to duplicate validators...
Astrobytes: Well, I do it only online and in the first turn. And I get even scores...
Astrobytes: lol 'brillant' :D
eulerscheZahl: i knew you would understand the reference
Astrobytes: could the validators in the repo not have been in a convenient format ffs...
Astrobytes: I mean, it's not much work but I am feeling lazy
darkhorse64: keep on searching during the next 50 ms, you will improve. Doing MC ?
eulerscheZahl: no more excuses!
kovi: apage satanas
BlaiseEbuth: hmm ?
eulerscheZahl: quick, kick him so he won't know
Astrobytes: MC and tabu as most frequently occurring colour
darkhorse64: I have alternated first and second color as tabu for a tiny improvement
Astrobytes: Yeah, after I clean it up a bit I was thinking of trying what Westicle s said about changing tabu on the fly
darkhorse64: I have also tried random tabu with no luck. Progressing further requires to try NRPA
DomiKo: you can try SA
darkhorse64: How to mutate ?
BlaiseEbuth: eat plutonium
Astrobytes: Yes I tried random tabu, was very bad. Tried ordering moves according to color frequency but it didn't do much, at least online.
Astrobytes: And the only reason I didn't improve earlier today was because of a bug in my scoring. I only found out when I started the offline version.
DomiKo: "Yeah, pick a tabu color, make a random move list, delete a random move and anneal. Not sure what you would call that... Same as NS for me at least" by Westicles
Astrobytes: SA/tabu hybrid
Astrobytes: But isn't SA pretty similar anyway?
Astrobytes: If you think about it
darkhorse64: At least, for NS, some moves remain valid after the mutated, here ... That said, it makes sense to keep at least a few moves. I'll do that
Astrobytes: I almost don't want to touch NS since I had such fun playing it manually :P
darkhorse64: How many levels by hand ?
eulerscheZahl: i still don't see how you can solve those relatively large maps by hand
Astrobytes: Uljahn did more
eulerscheZahl: i know
Astrobytes: The ruler feature was helpful
darkhorse64: I think this is a very good memorizing experience without paper
eulerscheZahl: uljahn wanted the ruler
Astrobytes: I know. It's a huge help when solving manually.
Astrobytes: stops you counting squares with your pen/finger on the screen :D
eulerscheZahl: thus keeping the screen fat-free
eulerscheZahl: i hate colleagues coming to my desk and touching my screen
Astrobytes: Yes, it's a pet peeve of mine when I'm in the office environment
eulerscheZahl: for me it's the fire door
darkhorse64: I have no ruler for NS. What do you mean ?
Astrobytes: On the web app
eulerscheZahl: next to my desk and really loud when someone is approaching it fast from the other side
Astrobytes: Ugh. Almost as bad as sitting near the toilet.
eulerscheZahl: one day the toilet was leaking
darkhorse64: Never tried it. Can you enter a grid ?
eulerscheZahl: someone went home early that day :D
Astrobytes: every cloud has a silver lining :D
Astrobytes: yes darkhorse64
darkhorse64: kk. That should help me a lot
Astrobytes: And you get all the moves as output when you solve.
eulerscheZahl: or write a bot
jacek: like AutomatonNN and Automaton2000
Astrobytes: Like I said, I'll get around to it!
Astrobytes: Wait NN is dead too?
Astrobytes: Did you kick him again?
eulerscheZahl: i said that to darkhorse64 actually
eulerscheZahl: they just crashed
jacek: better report it to discord bugs
Astrobytes: well, it worked both ways
Astrobytes: Peace and quiet in World.
eulerscheZahl: broken automaton is a feature
darkhorse64: This app is great. Silly me not to have tried it
eulerscheZahl: took me a day to make it
Astrobytes: If only Illedan would finish his mobile app...
eulerscheZahl: had to read the pixi manual first
Astrobytes: I forgive him since he is soon with child however.
eulerscheZahl: end of month
eulerscheZahl: so before CG decides about the future of community contests in the beginning of the month :upside_down:
Astrobytes: I can hardly contain my excitement
Astrobytes: When is the semi-private contest again? 20th?
eulerscheZahl: boy or girl? did he tell already?
SwagColoredKitteh: oh hi
Astrobytes: I don't think he said tbh
SwagColoredKitteh: i exist.
darkhorse64: There is a semi private contest at the end of the month. That may delay things a bit
SwagColoredKitteh: semi private contest sounds fun
eulerscheZahl: January 21, 2021 at 6:00 PM (UTC+1) until January 31, 2021 11:59 PM (UTC+1).
jacek: semi private?
Astrobytes: Oh, well, I was 1 day off.
SwagColoredKitteh: i haven't really participated in one in a long while
Astrobytes: will you play darkhorse64? XP farming opportunity.
Astrobytes: oh hi swaggeh
eulerscheZahl: will be a remake of an existing game
darkhorse64: yes ofc
SwagColoredKitteh: code busters pic
eulerscheZahl: darkhorse64 is eligible for prizes
Astrobytes: As long as it's not codebusters again.
Astrobytes: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Good point.
eulerscheZahl: they have a codebusters version where you have 3 different busters
darkhorse64: Only a few hundreds of XP needed for level 40. I would compete for nothing
Astrobytes: Yes I know. It was in that Kree? contest, where they leaked everyones email addresses
eulerscheZahl: i also saw a hypersonic where only opponent bombs could kill you
eulerscheZahl: wasn't it Klee?
Astrobytes: That's it
eulerscheZahl: the Chinese Kree
Astrobytes: That's why I had the '?'
Astrobytes: lol ffs
eulerscheZahl: i skipped that klee
Astrobytes: JBM, I thought of using some friends addresses in France and creating some dodgy accounts to participate but I decided against it :P
eulerscheZahl: you still have to reach top3, probably not that easy
Astrobytes: (I'm clearly not serious!)
darkhorse64: Can you register without being French ?
Astrobytes: Yeah, we're gonna play for XP.
eulerscheZahl: and to annoy you
Astrobytes: Who wants prizes from a Racist Contest such as this anyway... :P
reCurse: Easy there
Astrobytes: French-only :)
eulerscheZahl: i feel discriminated against
darkhorse64: Ah, French only
Astrobytes: Behold the tongue emoji I did type!
eulerscheZahl: and AutomatonNN is back too :(
AutomatonNN: why do you ask your stream before and not a little bit of coding?
Astrobytes: You just had to ping it.
Astrobytes: For clarification: I do not think the contest is racist (in case there was any doubt)
reCurse: Those are charged words these days
eulerscheZahl: and i jumped on that train. we get lots of cool content for free. up to the organizers whom they invite when they pay for the contest
darkhorse64: I knew you were kidding but I did not get it. I would have preferred more people
eulerscheZahl: if you look for possible hires, i can understand that constraint
Astrobytes: Yes, I should have worded it better reCurse. When among friendly company it's easy to forget it's a public forum.
eulerscheZahl: or that it's way past bad time
darkhorse64: Don't worry
Astrobytes: Yeah, they have offices here too actually.
Astrobytes: Edinburgh and somewhere else in Scotland
Astrobytes: They run our health service db/software
eulerscheZahl: in excel?
Astrobytes: You can look up how that went, I won't bother explaining.
Astrobytes: The excel thing was governmental iirc
Astrobytes: anyways, screw politicking on a Saturday.
eulerscheZahl: ok, let's keep that for sundays
jacek: AutomatonNN Automaton2000 are you alright
eulerscheZahl: i ordered cat food online for the first time
AutomatonNN: why do you have a simulation of the stream?
AutomatonNN: what do you mean?
eulerscheZahl: the store with my cat's favorite food is closed currently
Astrobytes: Oh, so still the regular food and not a new one then.
eulerscheZahl: it's frustrating to try something else
Astrobytes: Yeah, tell me about it.
eulerscheZahl: she licks the sauce, eats the dry food and then begs for more sauce
Astrobytes: They go on hunger strike.
Astrobytes: Especially if I switch the dry food.
eulerscheZahl: so, i have 6 cans left
eulerscheZahl: and 5-6 working days for delivery
Astrobytes: You may have to stretch out a can or two into 3 portions.
Astrobytes: (assuming single portion cans)
eulerscheZahl: i mix it with another can that she likes less
eulerscheZahl: she's not too thrilled but eats it
Astrobytes: Heh heh. All cat owners are the same.
eulerscheZahl: all cats are the same :D
Astrobytes: Also true.
Astrobytes: Well, to an extent.
Salted: What about people who end up with a cat but didn't really want a cat? Like me.
Salted: Actually I bet I become a cat person over time
Salted: He's so cute. Who wants to see pics of my cat, Mr Waffles
jacek: today its Caturday
Astrobytes: Cats own you. They grace you with their presence when they feel inclined to do so.
TBali: What a funny forum this one became.... :-) Time to listen to Webber's Cats
TBali: The lyrics (T.S.Eliot verses as I learned later) are quite good at grasping being 'cat'
TBali: As the vocabulary is a bit hard for a non-native speaker I used it for language learning.
Astrobytes: Yeah well it's not like Webber could come up with anything quite as good... (I strongly dislike Webber and his work :D )
Astrobytes: That's a cool application of it.
jacek: cats the movie?
Astrobytes: No. The musical. That it was based on.
TBali: No, cats, the musical. From 1980s
TBali: I don't know the movie
TBali: Is it the same?
Astrobytes: I'm not a fan of musicals in general, other than Jeff Wayne's Musical War of the Worlds that is.
jacek: well i think it is musical. but has horrible CGI, causing uncanny valley. i think it was worst movie of 2019
Astrobytes: Preserve your eyes TBali, do not look up the Cats movie.
TBali: I did not intend to.
War of the Worlds - don'T know that one, look to it. Is it the H.G.Wells novel?
TBali: (Which I did not read either, just heard of it)
TBali: "The multi-award-winning Jeff Wayne’s The War of The Worlds: The Immersive Experience returns with a new production, featuring: live actors, virtual and augmented realities, 5D effects, ..."
TBali: Did not they pushed a bit too much D-s here? :-)ú
Astrobytes: Yes the HG Wells story. The audio-only is the version you should check out first (other than the book)
Astrobytes: As in the original album (late 70s I think?)
Astrobytes: Ah yes, 1978.
TBali: Found this one now, started to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVe7EoRKoXY&list=PLFV_pTSMduaURY4rVeOeWDCIWcgdAW7PZ
Astrobytes: (that's my most hated tune on the album :D )
kovi: i loved wow...it is epic
jacek: noted. *bookmarked*
Astrobytes: (Forever Autumn that is) But that's the correct playlist.
TBali: went to first track
Astrobytes: Cool. I have one stage version which is pretty good, but I always prefer the album version.
kovi: my original casette was totally worn (listen it a lot it the early 80ties)
TBali: :ok_hand: thanks for the tip
Astrobytes: Me too, I was a kid. I wore it out completely and my uncle had to buy me a new copy :)
jacek: casette? what year is it? 2020?
Astrobytes: Listening to it was like going to another world.
TBali: casette - fyki that is the modern stuff after bakelit :-)
TBali: or is it vinyl in English?
TBali: In the 80s I was more a Depeche Mode kid...
Astrobytes: You should say vinyl if you refer to vinyl records yes
TBali: We call it "bakelit"
Astrobytes: Yes, from Bakelite
Astrobytes: I was a massive fan of electronic 70s, 80s stuff as a kid. As well as all the rock from before. Big early OMD fan. You should note TBali that the only 'real' instruments on musical War of the Worlds is the guitars and drums I believe
Astrobytes: Oh and the orchestra :rofl:
Astrobytes: Forgot about that...
TBali: The music changed a lot .... Oh not, it is the ad on youtube :-)
Astrobytes: Fix your ad-blocking situation!
TBali: does a blocker work also for youtube video? I thought it is for pop-ups
Astrobytes: Yeah a decent one should block yt ads too
XorZy: uBlock origin does wonders :)
Astrobytes: man I've started listening now, you've done it.
TBali: why is track 8 special? It says "it is restricted in the country"
TBali: Bot only that one
TBali: The music is fine. The prose requires a bit "getting used to"
Astrobytes: No idea. Anyway the track is called ""Thunder Child""
Astrobytes: "Thunder Child" rather
Astrobytes: Oh no, forgive me
Astrobytes: I misread
TBali: It says 'The Red Weed' - maybe different YT channel that is more strict on copyright
Astrobytes: It's the Nathaniel song
Astrobytes: "Parson Nathaniel"
TBali: comes after "The Spirit of Man" and before "Brave New World" in the tracklist I listen to
TBali: I don't understand why don't we get a kick from an admin for being so off-topic? Ahh, you are an admin :-)
Astrobytes: Oh wait, yes... strange
Astrobytes: Pt 2
Astrobytes: Nothing wrong with being off-topic if you are having a reasonable conversation.
Astrobytes: In webchat at least.
Astrobytes: Also TBali, I think you should be able to find a transcript online, the accents can be pretty confusing to non-native speakers in some parts.
TBali: To be honest, I listened to the music without much following the lyrics now - I am not good enough in English to multitask in that way.
TBali: Also, after I read the transcript once I much better understand the lyrics from that point
Astrobytes: That's fair enough. I'd encourage you to pick up a copy of HG Wells book, Hungarian translations are available I am very sure.
TBali: For example - I remeber with Webbers's cats my first understanding was maybe 20% or less
Astrobytes: But the music speaks right
Astrobytes: (even in Cats I admit)
TBali: waterloo bridge, big ben - I understand this now:-)
TBali: I am at Forever Autumn
Westicles: Jeez, I just let this scroll and now YT is recommending cat videos and electronic music. Scary
Astrobytes: You get a strong feel for the story through the music alone even if you understand a minimal amount. As is the case with most good music.
TBali: With Rap my understanding is 10% - but I don't listent to rap - only by accident
TBali: CG stands for Cats & Guitars
Astrobytes: Stop moaning Westicles :P
TBali: Westicles - yes a few years ago I exactly knew when my daughter used my computer - when YT started to replace Aviation & Chess recommendations with Taylor Swift :-)
TBali: Now she is older and has computer
Astrobytes: Could still be chess-related: when the queen is on the move you have to tail-her-swiftly... (I'll get my coat and leave)
Westicles: Yeah, but it is super creepy when something you discuss over email makes its way to a YT recommendation. They should try to be less obvious about it
Astrobytes: Yes, in that respect I do agree.
TBali: let me check my YT start page. It still seems legit.
Astrobytes: Btw TBali, the only War of the Worlds movie that's ever come close is the most recent one with that scientology midget guy in it. Despite the usual hollywood business it has some nice parts.
TBali: I haven't seen any WoW movie (even not the Warcraft one :-) )
Salted: Would anyone happen to know what this type of sequence is called? All combinations combinations of 1 to n which sum to n
TBali: I like good sci-fi (but has to be at least a bit "sci")
Astrobytes: It's worth a watch.
Salted: nvm, I found it. I guess just describing it was enough to find it.
Westicles: Irregular triangle read by rows in which n-th row lists all partitions of n, in graded reverse lexicographic ordering, using a compressed notation?
Salted: Thanks! That's really helpful. I can't believe someone has a massive list of sequences
TBali: Wow, this website works for 1,2,3,4
TBali: Hmm, A000027 . What other 26 sequences are more basic than that ?
Astrobytes: Credit to Westicles, Salted, he found the sequence on there before I posted the link lol
Salted: I thought westicles was being sarcastic until I looked this sequence up. Super impressive
Astrobytes: No, you should be able to tell when Westicles is being sarcastic :D
Westicles: I am a very serious person :P
Astrobytes: And there you have it!
Salted: It's crazy that sequence was only added in 2018!
Astrobytes: TBali: I blame you for my lack of progress this evening due to me recommending Jeff Wayne's WotW
Astrobytes: That site is a rabbithole Salted
TBali: Ahh, so you are a kind of guy who cannot walk and eating a bubble gum at the same time :-)
Astrobytes: No, I can. But since it's Saturday I have a few beers, if you add some music to that I can't do any coding at all.
Astrobytes: samegame can wait
TBali: It will be samegame tommorrow
TBali: I played with that one but bnot much
TBali: #108 now I check
Astrobytes: I went from 120(?)+ to 22 tonight but I need to do a lot of work.
TBali: is hardcoding involved?
Astrobytes: Not so far.
TBali: nice then!
VizGhar: Somebody got link for that plugin that allows me to name my submissions?
TBali: I call them 'f*cking bot, work better then last time!'
Astrobytes: There are others higher without hardcoding TBali, though the optim puzzles really are designed for offline solving tbh
Westicles: Das Bot?
TBali: no linmk, sorry
TBali: maybe mentioned in forum somewhere?
TBali: There is a collection of utils
Astrobytes: ^that's it
VizGhar: perfect thanks
Astrobytes: Just watch your memory as it disappears
Astrobytes: It'll crash the tab/maybe browser after some point
VizGhar: what you mean "as it disappears"?
Astrobytes: hehe, it's a massive memory hog
VizGhar: uh ok :| maybe not ideal for my 7yo laptop
Astrobytes: Especially that particular feature of naming your submits iirc
VizGhar: can't imagine what is so memory consuming
VizGhar: but ok
Astrobytes: Ah I think it's a pixi.js thing
Astrobytes: Not 100% so don't quote me on it
VizGhar: sure... but i see js, I flip table... Hate JS since my React Native experience
Astrobytes: CG viewer and whatnot are built on it - have fun :D
VizGhar: But i don't have to understand it :D
Astrobytes: It's a grim language I agree.
TBali: Thx for WoW, will continue another time from Brave new World
Astrobytes: Yeah, but for your SDK projects you may need to tinker with it
VizGhar: hmm but I have to understand it o.O since I've been working on multiplayer
VizGhar: yeah SDK
Astrobytes: TBali: I'm on Dead London :D Literally almost the end. And no problem.
VizGhar: Literraly almost...
Astrobytes: Stop fixing my English.
Astrobytes: I reserve the right to speak lazily :P
VizGhar: no you typed it correctly i suppose... I'm just making fun of those 2 words
Astrobytes: No I used them in a lazy, modern fashion. You're right to make fun of it :D
Westicles: It gets used so much, they actually changed the dictionary definition of literally to include figuratively
Astrobytes: It was always valid depending on context iirc
Astrobytes: In fact, looking back, "literally almost the end" if I'd used it in a non-internet-sentence may have been perfectly fine
VizGhar: I dont like discussion I started :|
Astrobytes: Figuratively-speaking, I agree,
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm away to watch a movie or something. See ya all tomorrow :)
Donkey_Kong_Jr: Hello, http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c3d3c9c4-5ded-4392-8929-f4dde09e59c2