mzbear: wtf. i woke up wanting to continue working on my bot to reach wood1 ... and i just got notification that i reached wood1
mzbear: Ah, Polilla and DavidAvsajanishvili, I thank both of you for submitting your bots to lose against mine, I needed that push since my score was so close to the boss :D
mzbear: this is a bit of an anticlimactic ending, though. I had a 4 hour nap so I could keep pushing the bot, and minutes after I wake up I hear that Blip notification sound from the computer. I suppose I should go back to sleep
mzbear: My bot is so much worse than everyone else in wood1 league, I didn't deserve this lol
struct: oh well
struct: I got pushed from 40th gold
struct: to legend in FC2020
mzbear: oh man
struct: its more prone to happen on active multis
mzbear: the fall challenge was the first bot programming thing i participated in, and i was at, like, 27th silver at one point, and I kept pushing changes and never got into gold at all. I started it 5 days late, too, and wrote the first prototype with python3 before rewriting in c++
Cucsijuan: Hi, I get a lot of "Can't send a troop from a factory you don't control", and happens when I issue a MOVE just a sec after a troop takes my base, any idea why is it happening?
struct: well if they just took your base you can no longer send units right?
Cucsijuan: so do I have to predict if is it going to be taken
struct: Do you have a replay?
Cucsijuan: https://www.codingame.com/replay/515863131
Cucsijuan: MOVE 5 3 8
struct: I think you did not own the factory anymore
struct: you sent units when they arrive
Cucsijuan: maybe I f***ed up the input reading
struct: but im gonna try to replicate on ide
struct: you can send troops
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/515863698
struct: Here turn 20
struct: I no longer own factory
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/515863742
struct: turn 19 I send troops
Cucsijuan: ok yep, i think I messed up the input
Cucsijuan: and Im managing wrong info maybe
Cucsijuan: I got a warning regarding that
struct: ah
struct: maybe you are printing two times on same turn?
struct: It can happen and it makes it go out of sync
Cucsijuan: what do you mean by "printing"
struct: outputing
Cucsijuan: cout or cerr?
struct: cout
Cucsijuan: yep im outputing
struct: how many cout do you have?
Cucsijuan: I though I could do that
Cucsijuan: depends on the situation
struct: you can have more than 1
struct: but for example if you have 1 cout
struct: and later you run a cout again
struct: it will go on referee aswell
Cucsijuan: my code can send like 10 or more couts per frame
struct: yeah that will cause you to skip some inputs
Cucsijuan: so if I want multiple MOVEs
Cucsijuan: should I chain them in one cout
Cucsijuan: with :
Cucsijuan: ;
struct: yeah with ;
Cucsijuan: ok great, will try that, thanks
ChampionCoder: has anyone noticed that the reverse of "codingame" is "emagnidoc"? :sweat_smile:
ChampionCoder: It sounds like "enigmatic doctor"
ChampionCoder: And by the way, can you guys give your feed back on this:
ChampionCoder: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/59031171cbc178b8b8e0ca2bd8e76949bef3
mzbear: that seems a bit too simple to be meaningful for shortest mode
AntiSquid: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/44fc2913-7354-423a-bc19-d1998b647507
AntiSquid: ChampionCoder
mzbear: yea, it's particularly simple for languages where reversing a string is either a standard function or built into the language directly
ChampionCoder: Thanks for the feedback! :slight_smile:
ChampionCoder: And AntiSquid I'll have a look at that
Westicles: Too simple is not allowed as feedback. Rule 1 or whatever
ChampionCoder: Had a look at the link AntiSquid. That was what I had in mind foor shortest mode
ChampionCoder: *For
wlesavo: the better one would be to reverse the string twice :slight_smile:
mzbear: westicles, are you being butthurt about something again?
Westicles: No, I'm serious
ChampionCoder: If you reverse the string twice, won't we get the same thing?
wlesavo: exactly
ChampionCoder: *wlesavo
ChampionCoder: Ohh
ChampionCoder: ok
ChampionCoder: But...
wlesavo: jk
ChampionCoder: yeah you can submit that @wlesavo
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/contribute---help/contribution-guidelines
Westicles: "No CoC puzzle should be rejected with the justification that it's too simple."
Westicles: so there, Mr. Butthurt caller :)
ChampionCoder: lol :sweat_smile:
kishorecoder: hi
mzbear: i explicitly specified i was talking about the shortest mode
Westicles: no, you were talking about my butt (again)
mzbear: when there aren't many possible answers, it becomes a bit meaningless, there's nothing to do
mzbear: alright, i admit i'm at fault for that
ChampionCoder: And can somebody help me with the Code vs Zombies quest? always falling short of 40,000 points :disappointed:
ChampionCoder: Will appreciate any help
ChampionCoder: Thanks in Advance
VizGhar: ChampionCoder have you tried to look into forum?
ChampionCoder: Sorry?
Westicles: We all got in big trouble
Westicles: Even though I never heard of you before
mzbear: such is the nature of internet drama
Westicles: mzbear, not meaning to offend, but do you have some philosophical (or other) basis to your worldview? I am always fascinated by people who have a firm opinion on almost everything
mzbear: hmm... my worldview is a strange mixture of discordian, lawful, and liberal values. it's not exactly following any clearly unified philosophy
mzbear: liberal but pedantic, if that makes any sense
Westicles: sure, sounds like a personal creation
mzbear: i just spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a better description of my worldview and failed. like all things in life, nothing's simple once you take a good long look at it, but it's complexity that originates from the observer and not the subject matter
Westicles: ha, everything is simple except you?
mzbear: life is life, it follows fairly straightforward principles on the low level, i think
Westicles: sure, you can derive everything from max entropy
mzbear: lol, just did the cgx-formatter puzzle and wrote a silly recursive descent parser, and it seems nobody else did it that way
mzbear: this puzzle needs an episode 2 that requires syntax checking ;D
darkhorse64: mzbear: You made it ! Congrats !
mzbear: darkhorse: it was a bit disappointing, because i took a nap and my ranking went up without having to improve my bot
mzbear: my bot is super weak compared to everyone else in wood1
mzbear: also, i dont think it counted for clearing the puzzle of the week *sigh*
darkhorse64: This one was quite difficult. It's an achievement in itself
mzbear: i certainly underestimated the difficulty when i jumped into it. i thought i'd be done in a day or two :D
darkhorse64: This game has clearly one of the most difficult move generation engine
YodaMaster123: Blcoking right?
darkhorse64: You wrote a MCTS n-player engine ? I only wrote 2-players engines. Yes, blocking
mzbear: yep, i had to write a separate movegens with slightly different optimizations for getting all moves and for getting an reasonably uniformly random move
mzbear: total of 900 lines of code, a bit too large for my taste
mzbear: the worst part is that i'm not supposed to show the code to anyone, and i put so much work into it :D
C_Boy: hi does anyone know how i can move a contribution in WIP for a clash of code to an easy in/out category without having to rewrite it all?
helenica: hi i'm supposed to send code sample for job application, can anyone recommend me cool puzzle that has an interesting problem solved? your personal favorite? its for game dev job, and im just so anxious about it
YodaMaster123: Go for one of the AI challenges.
YodaMaster123: Something like a tree search for tic tac toe would be cool
helenica: thanks for the advice!
helenica: wow, yes!!!
darkhorse64: 900 lines is pretty standard for a board game with a powerful search engine.
darkhorse64: at least fpr me
darkhorse64: *for*
YodaMaster123: Wow, for blocking, Wood1 is basically legend...
YodaMaster123: Awesome mzbear!!!
mzbear: heh, i dont think i would've even bothered trying if someone had told me that beforehand
YodaMaster123: Takes a lot of skill to be in the top 5 of a multi...
mzbear: not if there aren't many participants :)
YodaMaster123: The top 10 are still just as competitive :D all of the really good guys are there anyway...
mzbear: since my bot is only barely on level of the boss, it's likely going to stay at bottom of wood1 forever unless i continue working on it. so, being in top5 is only because not enough people have bothered writing their own bot
Maxim251: Wait untill some peoples at Your level will pass wood1, then You will be on top. I have similar situation, after two or tree days, I passed wood 1
Q12: Yes!!! I finally complete Vox Codei - Episode 2 :grinning:
mzbear: I suppose I'll write another bot to some more casual game. I'm a bit upset the list in compete page doesn't show number of participants for each game
wlesavo: well you can check the ladder manually before diving into it
wlesavo: Q12 thats a nice one, i think i had some hardcoded stuff for the last test case, and checking the solutions many others did smth simmilar as well
VizGhar: Hmm is it just me, or all Google services except search engine are down?
YodaMaster123: Can someone send me the link for the Blocking referee?
YodaMaster123: I wanted to see it after hearing about how complex it is :P
mzbear: that's the thing... you dont have it
YodaMaster123: Why?
YodaMaster123: All the other ones do?
YodaMaster123: Then you built a simulation without a referee? WOW:??
YodaMaster123: How much time did the simulation take
mzbear: i wrote the entire damn thing on the web editor
YodaMaster123: :joy:
mzbear: at least the referee is kind enough to provide a list of valid moves to me, so i could compare that to my own move generator until i got all the bugs fixed
Q12: @wlesavo yeah, the final test case was very hard. I would have finish the puzzle two days ago if the final test case was not exist :slight_smile:
Noah670: hi
Aayush.Curious: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5907e105b2d93598a6ef15be50a47ae6e0aa
derjack: oh my, google dead
Aayush.Curious: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5907e105b2d93598a6ef15be50a47ae6e0aa
Coury: hi
AntiSquid: Aayush.Curious why post twice?
Aayush.Curious: net delay..
derjack: oO
AntiSquid: gmail, youtube was down for everyone derjack
derjack: aww
AntiSquid: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/14/google-suffers-worldwide-outage-with-gmail-youtube-and-other-services-down
linjoehan: haha that happened
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/869fac9f-6173-44b2-9b4d-4c1d43d3e8b9
Maxim251: help with There is no Spoon - Episode 1
Maxim251: I pass all cases, but why I need conect nodes longer then 2?
Maxim251: after submit I din't pass brocken square and tunnel
derjack: oO
Maxim251: YES! I passed, It come out that I need add 3 loop to check how far nodes are in vertical or horisontal
mzbear: congratulations maxim
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f84dec4f-73b9-40b7-80bc-1836da823798
Maxim251: this is part of nested loop
Maxim251: And k represents lenght beetwen nodes
Maxim251: I dont understand, How is made pointing in puzzles? Because i Clean code from debugging code, I make extra lines to brake loops that they are not go full to end, and still I am in that same position in the list with best coders. I did not move eve one position
mzbear: what list? the published solutions? they're voted by other users, so it'll take time to gain upvotes
mzbear: if you mean 100% ... that's just the test completion percentage
Maxim251: Oww.. Then I spend few more seconds only to make my code more efitiency :(
mzbear: it's always good to clean up your code once you're done, especially if you choose to publish your solution for others to see
Maxim251: Yeah :)
Maxim251: Now when I see my cleaned code, with break from loop, now looks like poem :D
Astrobytes: well done on Blocking mzbear :)
mzbear: I thought I'd try something relaxing after Blocking, so I started writing UTTT bot without first looking up the full rules. i regret this decision
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Scarfield: ah yes, the relaxing UTTT xD
cytolytic: bruh
Astrobytes: UltimateScarf
cytolytic: how am i good at programming yet so trash at problem solving lmfao
Scarfield: AstroTic
struct: Yavalath most relaxing just ask MSmits
Astrobytes: :grin:
struct: Made by undefined
Astrobytes: Or Yinsh. Nice, simple, relaxing game.
eulerscheZahl: 2048
you can relax for more than 1 hour watching the same replay
DomiKo: Penguins are really cool
pb4: mzbear : Trolls vs Castles
pb4: Can always blame randomness when you lose :D
mzbear: that sounds ... convenient ... and also annoying :)
DomiKo: if you like MCTS and randomness then Bandas will be great
eulerscheZahl: so many games to chose from
mzbear: just submitted my bronze league UTTT bot which only does one step search for local wins/losses ... i might get into the next league with this, what are these other people doing? :O
eulerscheZahl: and if you don't like any of them: upload your own game
CommanderCero: what if i dont like my own games
DomiKo: only time is the limit :(
mzbear: ohhh... maybe I should make a game to torture you guys :D
eulerscheZahl: guess why I uploaded so many CommanderCero ;)
mzbear: i almost started playing that tower defense game, but the lack of clear specification annoyed me, and i didn't want to read the referee's source to figure out how the attackers exactly moved
mzbear: i like writing code against a specification, not against an implementation
mzbear: oh, one step search wasn't enough to get out of bronze, interesting. got rank 2 though
pb4: Isn't the specification clear in the last version ?
pb4: have to admit I haven't read it in a long time :D
pb4: Right, it's missing the main rule...
eulerscheZahl: the game logic might be a little complex for the statement, causing clutter
pb4: troll movement : one towards you if you send strictly less stones than the opponent, one towards him if you sent strictly more, no movement if you sent as many
eulerscheZahl: so: vague description in text. details in code if you care
struct: yavalath statement you win if you do 4 in a row but lose if you make 3 in a row
eulerscheZahl: and you expanded that to a series of images that makes every art museum jealous
mzbear: i meant euler's tower deference game's description
mzbear: i have no idea what the troll game is, cant see it in the list
eulerscheZahl: i consider TD as the worst of my contributions
struct: I think the images are still hosted on imgur instead of CG
eulerscheZahl: dwarfie disagrees, he really hates minesweeper
struct: if they are ever removed I cant edit it :(
dwarfie: i hates that i always have a random board where last move is to be played random ...
dwarfie: and i always lose
JBM: sounds like the real thing
JBM: improve ton random
struct: Just pick the opposite
struct: ez fix
eulerscheZahl: it's as frustrating as the original minesweeper
dwarfie: impossible ... stilgart uses me as bad random generator ... where i am , randaom is never good :D
eulerscheZahl: you can't make a better port
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/85c3ad12-2779-4aa9-8772-b428c5e7293a
Maxim251: struct is originated from C?
Maxim251: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18779600/can-we-hold-2-data-types-in-a-stl-list
eulerscheZahl: Fortran knows STRUCTURE too (not sure if that was part of the first version already or added later)
philRG: DomiKo: I liked penguins also
LastRick: For a change of pace from CSB I've been doing Mean Max for a week or so and I tell you, it is absolutely frustrating. The harder I try, the worse I rank.
eulerscheZahl: Penguins was fun
struct: Meanmax is harder than CSB
LastRick: i'm beginning to recognize that
LastRick: the gap between wood and bronze bosses feels like the Grand Canyon
philRG: yep
philRG: for penguins
[Itep]: Hello! Is there a way to turn of format warning in Python3? Its really annoying to see everything underlined by a big curly line, because I have different coding style.
eulerscheZahl: "we’ll look into it"
https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/disabling-pycodestyle/188260/6
[Itep]: thank you
sssuuri: hi all
sssuuri: please describe me python3 zfill?
elcolumbio: instead of zfill can you use f strings?
elcolumbio: print(f'{7:03}')
>> 007
its better in python3.6 +
DomiKo: LOL
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/replay/515982569
DomiKo: Am I blind or I should win?
DomiKo: ohhhh of course
DomiKo: bug in showing the battle in last battles
DomiKo: nevermind :(
struct: you are doing STC too
struct: nice
DomiKo: yea
eulerscheZahl: don't touch STC :scream:
DomiKo: I going to gold I guess
DomiKo: I have to!
DomiKo: STC is so grea....
struct: You have a bug though
DomiKo: Still????
struct: at least on the first replay I played with your code
eulerscheZahl: looking at that replay i'm not scared yt
eulerscheZahl: yet
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/515983389
DomiKo: There is one thing that is weird for me
That was PERFORMANCE contest and nobody in forum tell anything about how they handle it
DomiKo: structs its vs gold bosss
DomiKo: I'm still in silver
struct: I know
eulerscheZahl: he pulled the same "no move" thing vs me https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/515983689
struct: but its a bug :p
DomiKo: my bot is just bad?
DomiKo: that a bug?
struct: Ofc you still have space
struct: and placed piece on wrong place
DomiKo: I see
DomiKo: 3 points ahead of Silver boss that enought
DomiKo: ehhh let's debug that mess
struct: I was thinking on trying bitboards on STC
struct: to see if I can manage to do it
DomiKo: It's really weird that nobody tell anything about updating board
struct: What do you mean updating board?
DomiKo: after making move
DomiKo: I should say how to fast make move
struct: Well I keep track of columnsheight
struct: I think it was euler that gave me that tip
DomiKo: that help a lot
struct: Also on pieces fall I do the same
DomiKo: and that's why I think it's weird that nobody tell nothing
DomiKo: there is a lot of tricks
struct: and on pieces fall I start on minX and end on maxX
Astrobytes: sometimes it's best to ask in chat or discord wrt certain games
DomiKo: I know I could ask
DomiKo: and I will
Astrobytes: forum isn't *always* helpful
DomiKo: Right now I have to implement everything I came up with
DomiKo: then I will ask how to squeeze it more
DomiKo: but I was really shocked that forum tell nothing
struct: Yeah
struct: Also when I place a stone I only check for floodfill if there are >= 4 blocks of that color
struct: So I also keep track of colors
struct: I do the same when pieces fall, I only add them to floodfill if they have >= 4
struct: There are these posts though DomiKo
struct: https://www.codingame.com/blog/stochastic-algorithm-smash-the-code/
struct: https://www.codingame.com/blog/smash-code-contest-report/
eulerscheZahl: marchete has bitboards on STC
eulerscheZahl: tbh those posts aren't really helpful IMO
eulerscheZahl: just play the game and see where you get
eulerscheZahl: the tower building in the center was a little boost
eulerscheZahl: i think i read that on the forum
eulerscheZahl: lower risk of getting buried
struct: I saw re curse ai and he sometimes starts on corners
eulerscheZahl: cheater
darkhorse64: Maybe I'm wrong but the real issue is not to compute the best combo (hence performance does not matter that much) but to strike at the right moment
eulerscheZahl: watched some battles of me vs him. in the first attack i often get a higher score
eulerscheZahl: not sure if he gets less points on purpose (5 skulls ready for next attack)
eulerscheZahl: yeah, strike at the right time...
**eulerscheZahl doesn't predict the opponent
struct: yeah re curse definetly does
struct: darkhorse64 yeah perfomance should not matter much
eulerscheZahl: always attacks 1 before me and gets me stuck
struct: I was thinking on doing depth 4 enemy
struct: 22^4 at worse
DomiKo: struct yeah there are some posts
DomiKo: but they tell "I have search"
DomiKo: in most cases
eulerscheZahl: i have search too :P
darkhorse64: I have also noticed that one layer of skulls is not enough to make you lose
DomiKo: yea is so easy to ignore one layer
darkhorse64: Based on your search and opponent search, you can then make decisions
DomiKo: wow gold is weird
struct: bot strength is completely different
DomiKo: I have like few hours to reach legend
DomiKo: new update will be in 3 minutes :(
struct: update?
eulerscheZahl: promotion wave
DomiKo: yes :(
struct: Still placed quite high
reCurse: It's one of the hardest legend leagues
struct: for first submit
DomiKo: yeah not bad
struct: How much time did you spend on it reCurse?
reCurse: I forgot, let me check git history
reCurse: Crap, I did a single commit when I submitted...
struct: np
reCurse: Oldest file is may 10
reCurse: So 11 days?
reCurse: Roughly
reCurse: I was also in the middle of moving at that time so definitely upper bound
eulerscheZahl: my first submit was july 2016
eulerscheZahl: and i have no idea what i was thinking there, doesn't even print anything :D
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/65bc78b3-0e2e-4ea5-90c1-83a899bfb31c
struct: print the color :D
eulerscheZahl: how? i only have that var inside the loop
struct: seems a decent strategy
struct: if (i == 0) Console.WriteLine(colorA);
eulerscheZahl: how does CG input work? i'm confused
eulerscheZahl: oh, i was smarter than i thought :D
Maxim251: :grinning:
eulerscheZahl: sorry for spoiler, might promote you
DeadRider: hi
jacek: whats the puzzle of the week this week?
eulerscheZahl: it's not paper soccer
eulerscheZahl: blocking doesn't show the potw text
let's just open all puzzles to find out
jacek: someone pulled me down in othello :s
eulerscheZahl: i'm still waiting for space maze as puzzle of the week :imp:
struct: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/futoshiki-solver
struct: tip you can click on the achievement thing
struct: to check puzzle of the week
eulerscheZahl: clever
struct: Quest map*
jacek: meh
eulerscheZahl: quest meh
LastRick: One positive of the quest map: I've been on CG for about 5 months, finally did my first contest but really had done nothing but Puzzles. Had the entire contribution, clash and algorithm branches done. What should I do next? The compete branch said "Reach Silver in 2 games". So I went back to the bots I hadn't touched since I first joined. Got silver in CSB and it made me want to look at all the other competes.
eulerscheZahl: there we got the puzzle notification
jacek: wee
jacek: too slow
LastRick: Maybe its hard for old timers to understand this but as a newcomer, there is zero pulling you to the Compete section. I literally had no idea that the AI stuff was CG's big draw.
eulerscheZahl: i keep saying that. you find puzzles elsewhere
eulerscheZahl: codeforces, hackerrank, codechef, leetcode, ...
eulerscheZahl: multiplayers are the main difference between CG and those other websites
elcolumbio: are those puzzles better?
eulerscheZahl: i consider puzzles on the other websites as higher quality compared to the average CG puzzle
LastRick: good to know
elcolumbio: even i started coding at codingbat , it was nice
Astrobytes: yet still CG don't seem to notice
LastRick: they don't know how they are different and thus how to market themself?
Astrobytes: It may be changing, but I don't know if they realise that the multis are a massive thing
elcolumbio: i think they are great. Something for mobile would be nice
elcolumbio: by number clash of code is the biggest?
Astrobytes: puzzles are fine but if you want straight-up no fuss technical puzzles without graphics etc. as euler says you can find more suitable elsewhere
eulerscheZahl: seems they are planning their next big thing
Astrobytes: I saw that
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/FDesmoulins/status/1336720001550716928
eulerscheZahl: for those who didn't
Astrobytes: theories?
jacek: 3D UTTT
elcolumbio: wow thats great, i mainly come here to see others peoples ideas. i still wait for my first programming job.
eulerscheZahl: you solve a puzzle with other users. each codes a part of it
eulerscheZahl: other guesses?
Astrobytes: that would be so meh
LastRick: No idea
linjoehan: a multi clash?
eulerscheZahl: that's what i see in that video that i fail to scale up
Astrobytes: yeah, indeed
Astrobytes: unless it's more of a CTF type feel
Astrobytes: but I doubt that
jacek: what if they are multiarmed bandits
Astrobytes: linjoehan: I fear it may be a clash variant
Astrobytes: then we're good jacek
eulerscheZahl: i remember when tech.io was their new big project
eulerscheZahl: somehow didn't work out as planned
linjoehan: what evr happened to that thing?
Astrobytes: It's so underused
eulerscheZahl: i'm not saying that it's bad
Astrobytes: *underutilised
eulerscheZahl: just a different userbase
eulerscheZahl: we have a big community here on CG
Astrobytes: It could be useful for so much more
LastRick: I think the Learn tab is the most wasted space on this site.
eulerscheZahl: but you can't move them to tech.io
i don't need tech.io and those on tech.io don't necessarily care about CG
LastRick: fair
Astrobytes: Yeah, I mean there should be a lot more sections on there relating directly to CG tbh
Astrobytes: this is true yeah
linjoehan: There's just to much stuff there I think.
jacek: get a job tab is more wasted imo
Astrobytes: As a platform for teaching as it seems to be used for a lot I guess it's useful, but definitely cluttered
Astrobytes: I always thought Get A Job was just motivation for the unemployed :P
DomiKo: but it is not?
LastRick: It's not set up correctly. If I go to the Learn tab, i want the filters to be subject or topic, not language. So forgetting that, say I want to learn (pun intended) A*, where is the search function to find it?
jacek: write it your own
jacek: thats part of learning
Astrobytes: yeah, exactly LastRick
Astrobytes: shuddup jacek :rofl:
LastRick: the search function on their page, I should write that?
Astrobytes: don't listen to Troll-In-Chief over there :D
LastRick: oh
eulerscheZahl: thats why i wrote my own search for puzzles
LastRick: i guess now that I'm high enough level, I can find the puzzles through the contribute page but before then, that was an invaluable tool that you made
Astrobytes: Oh it's still valuable once you try to load everything on that page :D
struct: Its hard to understand whats going on the gif
LastRick: it takes a minute
eulerscheZahl: the puzzle page on CG has no full text search
struct: I see 3 mouse cursors
eulerscheZahl: if you want to find a puzzle because a similar one is pending on contribute
linjoehan: move the mouse and use that one
eulerscheZahl: cat tells me to go to bed, bye
struct: gn
Astrobytes: gn euler
struct: The quality of the gif doesnt help either
Astrobytes: Way too under the dewclaw of your cat may I add :P
LastRick: night
struct: But it has a timer that is increasing
Astrobytes: It'll be some new type of clash, mark my words
Astrobytes: CG regards clash as really important because so many people play it, yet don't realise that many are just unaware there are other parts to the whole experience
Astrobytes: *don't seem to realise
Astrobytes: I could be wrong
struct: 3 mouses, 1 timer, interactive viewer(?), ide
struct: also 2 tabs on ide
struct: After they interact with viewer a skull( boss ?) appears?
jacek: cg cyberpunk
LastRick: so each of the users has a yellow line going from their part of the code to something in the picture? Like their assigned portion to build/beat?
Astrobytes: something along those (pun not intended) lines it seems
Astrobytes: It will be interesting to find out what it is anyway
struct: Ok I managed to read what it says on ide tab
struct: it says JukeBox
LastRick: is that the yellow button?
struct: https://i.imgur.com/HEKQfBR.png
struct: This is what changes on ide
struct: 3 diffent types
Astrobytes: well they seem to click on one in the main screen, also arcade machine
jacek: CSI: struct edition
struct: 1 before interaction, 2nd shows after interaction and then the 3rd seems to be the same as 1 but with more lines
struct: Is like the last line expanded then collapsed again
LastRick: yeah
elcolumbio: is it 3 against 3?
LastRick: 5 against 1?
Astrobytes: DSI jacek, development scene investigation
struct: 5vs1 seems more likely
struct: Due to the 1 being at bottom right
elcolumbio: no it is the person who made the picture.
struct: ah
elcolumbio: i guess
struct: Someone increase quality
jacek: enhance!
Astrobytes: <enhancing intensifies>
jacek: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/2078832_700bwp.webp
Astrobytes: :smirk:
jacek: https://github.com/nagadomi/waifu2x
jacek: so NN
Astrobytes: So weeb
Astrobytes: Nice enhancement and all but... jeez
Astrobytes: still, could've been ponies eh jacek
jacek: im still searching
Astrobytes: :scream:
jacek: but i found something called pony waifu sim. interesting...
Astrobytes: ...to some and not to most
struct: 200$ to enchance
struct: Damn
reCurse: Well DLSS is pretty much SOTA for enhancing these days I think.
reCurse: Not sure nvidia cared about animes though.
reCurse: Nevermind it's not about images
Astrobytes: any thoughts on the twitter gif reCurse?
reCurse: ?
struct: https://twitter.com/FDesmoulins/status/1336720001550716928
Astrobytes: the root of this convo
Astrobytes: ah, was quite far up in the history, my apologies
reCurse: Ah yes I can see why
reCurse: Looks like early 2000s youtube geez
Astrobytes: indeed
Astrobytes: Deliberately I would guess
reCurse: err 2010
Astrobytes: 00s, 10's, w/e
struct: The challenge is to make an AI to enhance video
reCurse: New dimension of collaboration and inclusion? Meh.
Astrobytes: I am of the belief it's clash 2.0
reCurse: Coop clash :scream:
reCurse: Yeah that's very likely actually
Astrobytes: Or something along those lines
reCurse: Makes sense
reCurse: But oh boy is it out of my interest sphere
struct: I really hope its not clash
Astrobytes: Same.
reCurse: Collaborating with other devs is hell enough as it is, don't need a game about it
elcolumbio: i hope its a clash
reCurse: That would be like making chore simulator
reCurse: Why
jacek: goat simulator
Astrobytes: I was saying earlier how CG recognises it has loads of clashers, yet seems to fail to realise that half the clashers don't know about any other part of the site and what it has to offer.
jacek: i think even remi didnt know until later
reCurse: I'd say they don't care probably
reCurse: If you care about coding you'd stay out of clash
Astrobytes: In conjunction with the fact that other sites are better for puzzles and multis are their one differing strong point...
reCurse: Ok ok turning the edginess down
Astrobytes: OK boomer :P
reCurse: Alright bumping smoothiness to max
reCurse: Clashes are a unique side of CG so capitalizing on it makes sense
reCurse: I don't think clashers are in lack of exposure to other elements
reCurse: They just prefer clashing
elcolumbio: i know there are other challenges and i like clashes, because they are fast and give you a good feeling.
reCurse: That's as nice as I'm willing to get
Astrobytes: Haha. But seriously, oh yeah ofc, it's a huge drawing point. I donno, I come across a lot of people that didn't have a clue anything else existed.
Astrobytes: Heh.
elcolumbio: but do they have the will and time to invest so much time?
reCurse: Of course not
Astrobytes: No, which is what clashes are intended for. 'Fun' for 15 minutes.
reCurse: Well it's a fun distraction as long as you don't pretend it's for anything else
struct: Well a coop clash that lasts at least 30 minutes
reCurse: Like becoming a better coder
Astrobytes: I was about to get onto that yes
Astrobytes: Many view it as a serious endeavour. Take that guy the other day thinking they were like coding interview questions. I blame the internet, personally. YouTube specifically.
Westicles: They should add all puzzles to golf, that would stir things up a bit
reCurse: They are like coding interview questions, just for an inverse correlation
elcolumbio: can we agree it is like bullet chess.
reCurse: No
reCurse: No no no no
reCurse: NO
jacek: hows the chess going
reCurse: Who me?
Astrobytes: Let me rephrase: thinking they were going to help him with coding interview questions
jacek: you worked on chess or not?
reCurse: Oh, I was thinking helping employers weed out candidates
reCurse: Yeah, still am
reCurse: Engine is done, viewer is um... 80% there
reCurse: Still need to implement crazy rules
reCurse: And work on the bot protocol
Astrobytes: Looking forward to it
jacek: its antimsmits variant?
reCurse: Chess960 yes
reCurse: Because fuck opening theory
jacek: and crazyhouse because fck endtables
reCurse: Well I'm undecided on crazy
reCurse: I'll put it as an initialization input
struct: e4 thats all the theory I know
reCurse: Have 2 parts to submission
reCurse: See what happens
reCurse: One with and one without
reCurse: Also seed=0 to have standard initial position, but only for ide
Astrobytes: Nice. Seems all the bases are covered
Astrobytes: I won't touch it until after RAIC
struct: So if seed would create standard board, you do some stuff to the seed?
Astrobytes: If it comes before the end of that
reCurse: Yeah. Wasted a few hours to get font and piece rendering right. Fun times.
reCurse: The seed is used to generate the initial row
reCurse: Following chess960 method
Astrobytes: I saw the font issue on discord yeah, glorious JS
reCurse: I got rid of the scaling trick, just picked better size and colors after much trial and error...
reCurse: Web canvas is pain
Astrobytes: Fair play
reCurse: How many 50ms turns do we have max btw?
reCurse: 400/player for 2?
reCurse: Was that it?
struct: 600
struct: for 2
reCurse: So 300/player?
struct: yes
reCurse: Ok.
reCurse: So I can do pairs inside one game
reCurse: Auto-draw at move 150
reCurse: Lovely
jacek: pairs?
reCurse: Oh that's going to mess up player colors...
reCurse: Ack
reCurse: Yeah play as both white and black on same configuration
reCurse: Use 2 points as end result
jacek: so 1.5 == 2?
reCurse: Makes better use of the ridiculously low amount of games
reCurse: Yeah
reCurse: That just made me realize I may have wasted my time on that font rendering...
reCurse: ffs
Astrobytes: Flexible C++ CG SDK Dreams
reCurse: Nah it's my bad I should have realized there was no point of having a nice black rendering if they were going to switch sides, now I'd be better off using standard player colors
Astrobytes: Wasn't really a response to that, just fantasising out loud.
I'm completely put off by the Java
reCurse: Oh.
Astrobytes: And the JS
Astrobytes: Tis what it is, however.
reCurse: The JS is optional
Astrobytes: True.
reCurse: If you don't mind using the CG abstraction
Westicles: Anyone know the criteria for the moderation bot?
reCurse: Probably best left unanswered
jacek: AutomatonNN what are the criteria?
AutomatonNN: code version is already a complete solution
Westicles: Minimum 20 votes and <2.5 score?
reCurse: How about you try not to break things this time?
Astrobytes: Yeah, there's no need for proof of concept.
Westicles: I don't know how I could break that. I just wanted to know which puzzles need to be done soon before they go away
reCurse: Hmm ok
LastRick: Puzzles go away?
Astrobytes: Contributions?
Westicles: Accepted puzzles that get downvoted. Seems pretty rare
Giselus: Hello guys :)
Giselus: I have some question
Giselus: Is it possible to challenge my friends in bot programming?
Giselus: I ask if I can watch just one duel between my and my friend's bot
struct: only if they are in top 1000
Astrobytes: Only if they are within... ^ this :D
Giselus: If the game has less than 1000 players can we duel at any time, or should we get some higher league?
Giselus: I've tried only one game so far, so I don't know if it works the same everywhere
struct: You should be able to
struct: unless he is in a higher league than you
Giselus: Thanks you guys :)
DomiKo: oho
DomiKo: top5 in STC is hard :(
DomiKo: in gold :(
Giselus: What is stc? :x
DomiKo: Smash the Code
struct: I remember how I made it
Giselus: Oh, I get it
struct: https://i.imgur.com/ylBtNEV.png
DomiKo: xD
DomiKo: 30 here
Astrobytes: goddamnit. My computer/office chair just died. Now sitting on one of the good dining chairs from downstairs
struct: :/
DomiKo: :frowning2:
Astrobytes: 'good dining chairs' - who am I kidding. Chairs from my dinner table :D
But yeah, was on it's way out all week, now it goes backwards at any angle and crunches a lot.
Astrobytes: *all last week
AntiSquid: time for new fancy chair ?!
struct: DomiKo you still do very early combos
AntiSquid: you need something better for your back anyway
DomiKo: ehhh
struct: example
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/516031733
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: my old chair was good for it tbh, just not any more. And without advice it's hard to get one to suit my specific need
LastRick: Oh come on! I beat that cat by a mile! https://www.codingame.com/replay/516056025?f=300
Xx__THK__xX: Uhh hey guys, so apparently when I host a private clash the difficulty of the clash are way easier than a public one
Xx__THK__xX: Is there a way to increase the difficulty?
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/516060913
DomiKo: struct you have a bug
Xedux: hello @
ejle
Xedux: @ejle
Xedux: could you share your previous clash code program ?
mzbear: argh, the editor glitched and desynced source with the analysis, so it no longer recognizes one of the function names, thinking it's garbled instead .... so the entire code is full of red error lines but it runs and works correctly
Cucsijuan: Hi, I get a lot of "Can't send a troop from a factory you don't control", and happens when I issue a MOVE just a sec after a troop takes my base, any idea why is it happening?
