HiHat1937: Good morning!
HiHat1937: Here is morning right now
ChampionCoder: Afternoon here :sweat_smile:
ChampionCoder: VERY hot afternoon
ChampionCoder: :smile:
MadKnight: where do u live that it's so hot ?
ChampionCoder: India
ChampionCoder: Chennai
ChampionCoder: Among the hottest areas in India
MadKnight: come to russia
MadKnight: cool down a bit
kishorecoder: oh me also chennai
Astrobytes: Good morning.
MadKnight: hihi Astrobytes
MadKnight: want some news from the US ?
prgrmrO_O: yeah why not
Astrobytes: I've read the news already, thanks.
MadKnight: texas and 7 more states sued the entire elections for being compromised
prgrmrO_O: oh
PatrickMcGinnisII: don't believe the news, its garbage
Matr1x-101: im in uk
MadKnight: true, just look at how they phrased that on the news
https://sun9-5.userapi.com/impg/jSN9WDwAjL74912rdpiOi47o3epfhuWMZsgc2g/x5sTI7KO8AM.jpg?proxy=1&sign=97f1ebf35c7fbfc88575d15c2c5f9914
MadKnight: https://sun9-5.userapi.com/impg/jSN9WDwAjL74912rdpiOi47o3epfhuWMZsgc2g/x5sTI7KO8AM.jpg?size=750x1334&quality=96&proxy=1&sign=97f1ebf35c7fbfc88575d15c2c5f9914&type=album
MadKnight: first link broken
Astrobytes: 7 more? I was under the impression Texas was attempting to sue 4 states.
MadKnight: no, they want to decline the entire election results and make it so that special people do the elections instead
MadKnight: by sueing 4 states
Astrobytes: Well, they say Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin made 'unlawful changes' to the election procedures. It'll never work, load of crap.
MadKnight: nonono Astrobytes 7 states joined texas at sueing 4 states
MadKnight: so it's texas+7 more against those 4
MadKnight: https://sun9-15.userapi.com/impg/6KUpYeCem81KtFl6luoqdE3K2Ao62VkRfhTomg/6DDkBpVhMdk.jpg?size=1080x960&quality=96&proxy=1&sign=95dbce227afeabbdbeb5c357257417cd&type=album
MadKnight: need to start turning those into short links
Astrobytes: That'd be helpful.
PatrickMcGinnisII: the BS about the election is just a distraction for them sneaking some other sh*t by us
MadKnight: could be true if the dems weren't so weird
PatrickMcGinnisII: I watched the hearings, total garbage ... it's just a show
Astrobytes: Yep.
PatrickMcGinnisII: Trump don't leave me and 10M of my friends gonna go evict his ass...rofl
MadKnight: lol
MadKnight: "sounds like a threat!"
Astrobytes: Oh he'll leave. After he tries to cause as much trouble as he can between now and then.
MadKnight: like what trouble
Astrobytes: throwing McDonalds wrappers all over the Whitehouse carpets? I donno lol
PatrickMcGinnisII: elections are only crooked when dems win, they look the other way every other election ... trust me there is all kinds of fraud, but none substantial enough to change a damn thing
Astrobytes: Same goes for most countries Patrick
MadKnight: this one is pretty big
MadKnight: 8 states are trying to do something about it
Astrobytes: Anyway, far too much politics for this time of day, back to coding
MadKnight: texas is soo based, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: or does it have anything to do with the way i do it is to be expected
PatrickMcGinnisII: threat, lol ... yup I own guns, got lic. to carry them, and shoot pretty damn good. but you know that's why they outlawed guns in D.C. - cause the USA is a f'ing corporation - not a sovereign nation anymore
MadKnight: PatrickMcPolitical
PatrickMcGinnisII: U started it
MadKnight: i just gave some news
jacek: good morning
PatrickMcGinnisII: ignore that bad news crap
MadKnight: hey JackJohnson
MadKnight: jacek
Astrobytes: morning jacek
jacek: oO
MadKnight: u got such an imagination PatrickMcGinnisII
MadKnight: use it to make the strongest bot in CSB
PatrickMcGinnisII: that's more like it
Astrobytes: I thought you'd moved on from the CSB thing MK
MadKnight: now i'm not being serious
Astrobytes: :)
MadKnight: it's just for the meme
MadKnight: anyway PatrickMcGinnisII is gonna go sleep in a bit
MadKnight: Astrobytes what do u code ?
MadKnight: work stuff ?
Astrobytes: no I have some time off, doing raic
MadKnight: тшсук
MadKnight: nice
MadKnight: how strong is it ?
MadKnight: already
PatrickMcGinnisII: i've been rewriting There is no spoon ep2 and watching movies
MadKnight: oh what's up with your TinS2 ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: raic, nice
MadKnight: your spoon still not working ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: 62%
Astrobytes: how strong is what MadKnight? The competition or my bot?
MadKnight: your bot ofc
MadKnight: Astrobots
Astrobytes: Not very, only just submitted yesterday
PatrickMcGinnisII: Figured out how to get my cpu cycles overhead reduced, so I can apply it to most the other multis
Astrobytes: 394th/549
MadKnight: so how to ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's just how php references variables, data structure changes, mostly kicking in statics to replace bs var references
TBali: I am all ears :-)
PatrickMcGinnisII: you already know, I seen some of your solutions
PatrickMcGinnisII: heh, but maybe not
PatrickMcGinnisII: if u really wanna know
PatrickMcGinnisII: I been using alot of defines
TBali: I like to use classes, because it makes code easier to manage. But object creation is expensive.
TBali: But at least always passed as reference
TBali: did not really uses static variables
PatrickMcGinnisII: for libraries, preprossed data, etc... alot of arrays, well when i generate these class trees, etc. I end up with CG not identifying bad by reference calls
PatrickMcGinnisII: i guess CG doesn't recursive error check
PatrickMcGinnisII: but anyways
PatrickMcGinnisII: you can just replace all the defines with a class full of statics
PatrickMcGinnisII: never actually do a new on it
PatrickMcGinnisII: and access and make all the changes u need to
PatrickMcGinnisII: no bad by referrence on a constant errors
PatrickMcGinnisII: use the class as a gamestate stack but never delete anything off of it
TBali: I tried out oobject farming once (creating in first turn and put in an array and reuse as needed) - but it did not bring convincing result
PatrickMcGinnisII: class astack { public static $gamestate=[]; }
TBali: My traditional aproach is building tree of gamestate objects - but that involves lots of "clone"
PatrickMcGinnisII: then just astack::$gamestate[]=new whatever object;
TBali: Yes I see, will try out your approach someday
PatrickMcGinnisII: pretty easy
TBali: I always start with
gc_disable(); // disable garbage collection
PatrickMcGinnisII: yes a was having problems with gamestates not deep cloning because of all the references pointing to the same darn objects
PatrickMcGinnisII: so i had to put deep clones in __clone
PatrickMcGinnisII: functions
TBali: with simulation I don't know how to avoid deep cloning...
TBali: I leardned I have to keep game state as few bytes as possible
Astrobytes: make/unmake moves (but that can be problematic depending on the game)
TBali: packing several fields in the same int with bitwose operators
PatrickMcGinnisII: i still have to clone, but i can minimize the data by dropping it in the "global static"
TBali: my problem with make unmake that than I need assignmnets in PHP (interpreted) - it turned out even slover then a full clone which is a language construct, so runs in C
PatrickMcGinnisII: then all i have in a tree is the index of the gamestate and a couple status vars
PatrickMcGinnisII: and maybe parent and child
TBali: Thanks for the tips, gotta go back to work now
PatrickMcGinnisII: sorry
PatrickMcGinnisII: u good
TBali: static approach sounds interesting
PatrickMcGinnisII: bitpacking can get expensive too, it's like serialize and unserialize ... you just gott figure out whats worth more... calling on the kernel or executing a bunch of instructions
MadKnight: TEars
PatrickMcGinnisII: yes Astrobytes I've tried the do/undo stacks, works some some games, but if it's bigger than a simple array, its too expensive
BanjoMan: Is Clash down?
codybumba: Seems so
BanjoMan: Or hacked?
codybumba: noname Hacked!
Thunderbolt: what's going on with clash
Thunderbolt: ?
ChampionCoder: Unable to submit code in Bot Programming
ChampionCoder: What's wrong>
ChampionCoder: ?
codybumba: I think whole CG is down!
Thunderbolt: maybe
ChampionCoder: But this chat is working just fine
ChampionCoder: Right?
JBM: no, we can't read you
ChampionCoder: What?
codybumba: Code submission seems not working
ChampionCoder: Yeah
ChampionCoder: :weary:
DJForgottenSuperstar_f0a5: hello
ChampionCoder: hi
Velcoro: ok, what can I do when I get my contributions rejected (with completely nonsensical explanations) just because someone wants to revenge?
Velcoro: reasons I got for rejection:
- Solution not appropriate for shortest mode.
- I don't like this. You have to better than this.
- Makes no sense Try harder next time!
Velcoro: not sure if the link works, if it's refused
https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/58584d99ff5a768c2e2415abc3abc14eefcb
Rockstar555: hey guys know he was sharing links
Rockstar555: now u don't tell like me he was spaming
Velcoro: Rockstar555 - author of the second rejection comment
Rockstar555: guys rule and regulation are same for everyone
Uljahn: the link is on point though
PatrickMcGinnisII: i don't like the reverse
Rockstar555: yeah
Rockstar555: m link about same about code
Rockstar555: not at all
PatrickMcGinnisII: eh, still figurable...i don't clash much
ChampionCoder: I mainly do clash
ChampionCoder: Among the best things here
Rockstar555: guys
ChampionCoder: (The best is Bot programming)
Rockstar555: so unfair
Rockstar555: with me
Rockstar555: I do respect of all codingame player or member
Uljahn: Automaton2000: are you whining, son?
Automaton2000: illedan do you know the basics
PatrickMcGinnisII: yea don't see how reverse totally works
PatrickMcGinnisII: the other seemingly random input data...nah
Westicles: Feedback is often lame... one time I got this: the shown solution is obfuscated for no reason
PatrickMcGinnisII: there like hundreds of CoCs, smh, so many ... i guess it is popular
ChampionCoder: Westicles what is that supposed to MEAN?
Westicles: haha, no idea :)
ChampionCoder: :sweat_smile:
Rockstar555: any body don't like me so say i will delete my id no use of codingame
Rockstar555: :disappointed:
PatrickMcGinnisII: that's all it takes :joy:
prgrmrO_O: LOL
prgrmrO_O: it was a nice contribution @Velcoro
Velcoro: thanks
prgrmrO_O: the rejection comment is I don;t like this, c'mon
Westicles: ooh, libel in the forum!
ChampionCoder: what?
Rockstar555: baned myself
Rockstar555: i think this is good for me
Velcoro: Westicles, ChampionCoder, Rockstar555, yes, I posted it on the forum. Do you have any other ideas that I could do to defend against your trolling?
WelloHorld: Hello How are you all
WelloHorld: :money_mouth:
Westicles: Anyone who doesn't like your contribution is a troll?
WelloHorld: Yes for sure
Rockstar555: Velcoro
Rockstar555: stop it
WelloHorld: fo
WelloHorld: FO*
Westicles: And I thought I was bad at taking criticism :)
Rockstar555: Rockstar555 05:28PM
Now guys listen to me i am leaving coding i don't do code in my life
mzbear: Well... Three people rejected Velcoro's submission, and they're all following each others, so it is somewhat plausible that it could be a voting ring from a group of friends coordinating on a 3rd party platform
mzbear: So, I can see why Velcoro would jump to such conclusion
Rockstar555: hey stop it
mzbear: That said, I very much dislike drama, surely there's a better way to handle this than arguing about it in the chat
ChampionCoder: Really, is this soooo serious?
ChampionCoder: Answer that first
mzbear: If you three know each others and conspired to get 3 rejections for someone's submission, then yes, it is very much serious and I'd be surprised if that wasn't a bannable offense
prgrmrO_O: we should respect others contribution, and if it is bad they can try to say to improve, without any clear explanation of rejection it is bad I think
ChampionCoder: I DON'T KNOW THEM!!!
Rockstar555: prgrmrO_O
Rockstar555: Nice
ChampionCoder: If i see someone good at programming, I'll follow them
Rockstar555: but respect this contribution
ChampionCoder: Don't create hypotheses on that point
ChampionCoder: ok?
kishorecoder: Hello Champion Coder
WelloHorld: Can you people please stop talking? You people are fkin annoying
Rockstar555: I don't like this. You have to better than this.
Rockstar555: i say that u have to better than this
[CG]Thibaud: I'm sorry what WelloHorld ?
Rockstar555: hey abusing in world chat
Rockstar555: baned it
Uljahn: you could've just downvoted and left a comment, rejection should be well justified
Rockstar555: WelloHorld
prgrmrO_O: absolulty
Haxr69: An error for my Coders Strike Back bot is that it didn't "provide 1 input lines in due time". Is that likely due to an error or is the allowed computation time smaller than my algorithm needs (which is quite tiny tbh)?
kishorecoder: hm
PatrickMcGinnisII: Haxr69 primary issue is usally an infiinite loop
kishorecoder: prgrmrO_O what happened to your account
Rockstar555: yeah
Rockstar555: he was still changing his account
kishorecoder: I have 5 more followers as Pro_Ogrmr
mzbear: Haxr69, if your bot is written in C++, I've seen that timeout message happen upon hard crashes as well, with nothing indicating that the program actually segfaulted
Uljahn: Haxr69: make sure your inputs are updated, there could be a change in inputs when you get promoted
kishorecoder: c++ integer input is confusing
kishorecoder: we have to use cin.ignore() :/
ChampionCoder: what you can do is make sure there is no and or "or' conditions in loop or if statement
Rockstar555: guys happy ending
Rockstar555: of mylife in codingame
Rockstar555: tommorow shut down
Uljahn: not the right place to seek for attention, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: why is it so hard to find
mzbear: Rockstar555, I believe this is already 3rd or 4th time you've said that. Do it or don't do, but stop crying for attention and pity.
Trebor_303: yeee incels
mzbear: Ugh. I should've never opened this chat today. I started writing a bot for Blocking and it was too tedious so I thought I'd check the chat instead; big mistake :D
ChampionCoder: :sweat_smile:
Astrobytes: what on earth is going on in here today?
prgrmrO_O: :D
ChampionCoder: impeachment trial
ChampionCoder: :smile:
Rockstar555: Wait guys I change my mind my mother told me not solution for this plz to practice to so all u are also better:smile:
Astrobytes: Rockstar555: just give it a rest will you, please.
Rockstar555: okk
Rockstar555: Sorry
Rockstar555: Only do important topic in world chat
Rockstar555: now fine
mzbear: Blocking has to be the most annoying bot game I've started so far. I've already spent a few hours and I haven't even gotten started writing any actual decisionmaking code
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh there is a new league in blocking
PatrickMcGinnisII: mzbear want me to tell you best/fastest way to get on board?
mzbear: at least there's plenty of redundant input given, so i can progressively bootstrap the bot code, but this is still quite tedious to get started with
mzbear: Well, I kinda did rand()%validMoves just to test things out, but anything beyond that is horrible
mzbear: it's fairly pointless to write evaluation functions using only the x/y coordinates of the referee-provided valid moves, so there's a lot of work I have to do to deal with board management etc
PatrickMcGinnisII: making library of bitmap like tiles and pattern fitting to board is fastest imho, you can xor like an old school bitblt
WelloHorld: :eyes:
mzbear: ohwell, submitted a naive weighted random AI just to get myself onto the leaderboard to encourage others to join too
PatrickMcGinnisII: tryinmg to remember boardseg xor tile xor not boardseg ==0 is a good move... i think that's how it goes
PatrickMcGinnisII: eh, i'm sleep deprived
mzbear: I'm a bit concerned about the board size being input, though. To hardcode against N=13 size or to make generic code in case future leagues vary the board size? :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: make it bigger like +8 so 21x21... easier to bitblt without a bunch of is x and y valid stuff
PatrickMcGinnisII: i have no idea if board size is gonna change
nsrsn: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5588845f-8f17-4f6c-a908-5230171a4f02
mzbear: nsrsn: programming puzzles can be very different from real life programming. just keep doing them and remember to view other people's solutions once you have finished a puzzle to see how others solved it, there are sometimes really good stuff to be found there. some puzzles are more tedious than others, pick your battles
mzbear: and make sure to take a look in the medium and hard puzzles too, some of them might be easier for you than many of the easy puzzles.
VizGhar: nsrsn which problems are you exactly referring to? There are differences when solving algorithms/CoC/AI... but most of the time it is about finding best possible data structure and apply best possible transformations/search algorithms.
VizGhar: have a look at other programmers solutions after you solve some puzzle, or read post mortems on AI challenges, or just read this chat... you will hear of some algorithms here (my first algos reading this chat were MCTS and Beam Search)
VizGhar: Or just be infinitelly curious
mzbear: programming is basically just the art of applying transformations to your inputs, and problem solving is about figuring which sequence of transformations help you turn your inputs into the desired outputs
mzbear: thus, to become better at problem solving is two-fold: learn new ways to manipulate your data, and learn how to combine the tricks at your disposal to get from A to B. figuring out the algorithms to use is itself a pathfinding problem, i suppose :)
mzbear: divide and conquer: turn large problems into a pile of small problems, and small problems into pile of trivialities
VizGhar: But these are some high level advices :) give us an example which problem exactly do you need to solve? we wont give you solution, just hints
ParticleBeam: When exactly can you consider a bot puzzle like Blocking to be "solved"?
Astrobytes: When you reach the next league iirc
YodaMaster123: A game is solved when all outcomes are computed right?
Astrobytes: Oh did you mean theoretically?
ParticleBeam: Well, I just meant in terms of CG puzzles
ParticleBeam: Not theoretically
mzbear: from game theory point of view, the game is "solved" when you know for certain who's going to win even without playing :)
Astrobytes: then yes, next league
Astrobytes: *top league
Haxr69: Apparently, my code doesn't read all available input before giving an output. Given the fact that in my code, the ouput is distinctly after the input, does that mean that my code takes so long to compute that by the time it gives an output, it's already time to get the next input?
mzbear: Haxr69, that message also sometimes happens when the program crashes :)
Haxr69: I see :D
mzbear: add some good old fashioned debug output to stderr and see that it doesn't stop at some unexpected position
Haxr69: It's pretty funny my pod is just racing all over the screen, spastically changing direction while the other pod is calmly completing the race xD
Matr1x-101: lol
mzbear: i've even resorted to tracking loop counters and outputting a line every 1000 rounds etc, to find out the exact loop round it crashes... and then i'll just do if (i==12765) std::cerr << "foo" .... etc inside the loop to find the exact spot ;D
wlesavo: Haxr69 also this can happen if you print your actions twice, like having another endl; or smth
philRG: it is also good to test your code locally at the last, but message generally occurs when you don't read all input, have a print on stdout, or when programs does not respond after an amount of time due to different reasons (crashs, timeout, etc...)
philRG: for debugging, local ide is the best
Haxr69: I think in my case the issue was that I had two outputs sometimes because I had two "if" statements that weren't exclusive.
Haxr69: Now I have to solve the more amusing problem of how to prevent my pod from getting into a perfect orbit around a checkpoint lol
Uljahn: should be ez with taking the velocity vector into account
LastRick: ^ if you're going in a circle, think about what your thrust should be
nsrsn: late reply: thanks for your replies guys.
Leirn: Hi guys. On The Polish Dictionary, I pass all the tests, but still failed one the validator 7, I have no clue why...
eulerscheZahl: oh, the footer got a redesign
Uljahn: FAQ is quite well-hidden
AntiSquid: smaller footer that's locked in place (fixed position) would be better
AntiSquid: just a personal opinion
eulerscheZahl: Uljahn that was my first thought: where is FAQ?
then I found it
Samzok123: 101010110101011010101010101010010001111101010101100110110011001101100101110101010000100111101
Samzok123: jdfjfjhtikgy
eulerscheZahl: antisquid wasn't that a bit harsh again?
elderlybeginner: what is your data structure for map grid in python?
elderlybeginner: I usually fight between dictionary, numpy 2d matrix, complex numbers, string for whole line or simple grid[x][y] and even linear list.
LastRick: Q about MeanMax for the forum: In Wood 1 when you're able to SKILL with the destroyer, would there be a reason an output like "SKILL 4387 -4336 DESTROYER" is not working if I have enough rage (currently 120).
eulerscheZahl: is that point in skill range?
LastRick: maybe not, great catch
Uljahn: elderlybeginner: i always go for numpy, but just because im trying to learn it better
Alurian: hello :)
AntiSquid: hi
jacek: good evening
jacek: w00t? only 3 ppl in wood1 in blocking?
jacek: they must be so alone
Shadowtick: hey everyone
Shadowtick: what happened while i was gone for a few months
Surina_Kaiba_Quinn: too much, the virus got into the system and ate everything lol
Shadowtick: on here?
struct: Not much changed I think
struct: The fall challenge had 7k people+-
vanya.delova: hey
Nurlein: hey
NikBomb89: jude
hatjjjjj: oof
hatjjjjj: bhraej;oialgthfnerskldfijogmbkhpoldgrkjklok,trms.kjngjpfirlhig;otifjhgskrjgviklfdjskeg.jrfpojbgsvjpifkobijo[ifpubvtrshgiohrsijgotrsjhnilhugbpijherwjngkbrfmvjnkfioekjnvbihltrhnfgiuojnvtjrlhngvhgjbtvjghtrjngjbfbfdijtrngvjfndvjnfjgnjbg itrkjhvkjbv dskhjngjsdhbfjdrfsnbhgjn trjgb svjtkrg
Astrobytes: that's a kick hatjjjjj
LastRick: You can say that again
Astrobytes: "that's a kick hatjjjjj" :P
Astrobytes: how you getting on in CSB gold LastRick?
LastRick: My best submission was inside the top 50. Fiddled with it for another day or so but couldn't break through. I'm beginning to fear I've done all I can, that I can only get into legend if I simulate or use GA on the turns.
LastRick: Taking a break for a few days to de-stress, playing mean max right now
Astrobytes: No, it's definitely possible using just mathematics + physics. Sim & search is probably easier though
Astrobytes: Oh nice :D
Astrobytes: I'm sure that will massively reduce your stress level lol
LastRick: Yeah /s
Astrobytes: Cool game though, I really should get around to it properly
Astrobytes: Just lazy to write the sim. Same for PCR
LastRick: PCR?
JBM: lazyness ftw
LastRick: hah
Astrobytes: Ah sorry, Poker Chip Race
Astrobytes: you know it JBM
JBM: i do
Astrobytes: how's it going?
JBM: so so
JBM: not much news
Astrobytes: yeah, about the same here
Astrobytes: btw, forgive me if I repeat myself, but your contest report was a fun read
Wajdi.B: anyone hiring an embedded systems engineer with good knowledge in autosar?
Astrobytes: him ->
JBM: i don't recall reading you say it yet
JBM: glad you liked it
Astrobytes: Probably not the best place to ask for work Wajdi.B
Astrobytes: Missed the streams (I know it was French but the code is the code right)
Wajdi.B: thought I'd try my luck hahah @astrobytes
JBM: well they're youtubed
JBM: there was only one, no?
LastRick: Astro/JBM: Is the postmortem writeup the one linked to in the forum?
JBM: i forget
JBM: LastRick: yes
Astrobytes: there is a jobs section on the discord Wajdi.B but... well, yeah
Astrobytes: I also forget JBM. I pretty much forgot the contest by now as well if I'm totally honest :D
LastRick: thanks, i'll check it out. This was my first contest (i've never coded any AI/bots/etc) so I'm curious to read others reactions.
JBM: there's a full thread of them LastRick ^^
JBM: Astrobytes: i haven't forgotten the contest yet
JBM: being the first in a *long* time helps
Astrobytes: Yeah, there were quite a few more than usual this time around
Astrobytes: Yes, nice to see you enthused tbh
JBM: heh :D
JBM: conjunctions
Astrobytes: the key to your heart huh?
JBM: something like that
Astrobytes: I had a mind to go back to one of the board games on here after the contest but ended up doing raic
LastRick: JBM: Interesting. I thought the timeouts were just me.
JBM: far from
Astrobytes: It was a known issue during the contest
LastRick: it was my first contest so i didnt know this wasnt normal
Astrobytes: (and before if I'm honest)
JBM: took me a long time to open my eyes though
JBM: we CG'd language users tend to take it language-personally
JBM: CG? no, GC
LastRick: I too probably lean AGAINST wood leagues (restricting rules). It felt like every time I got promoted, I had to rewrite my code from scratch, new classes, etc.
Astrobytes: CG, GC... I always associate one with the other
jacek: wood contest?
Astrobytes: Yeah I find it rather annoying too
Astrobytes: ffs jacek
jacek: hello to you to
LastRick: heh
Astrobytes: Good evening jacek
struct: Hello I have a c++ question shouldn't this
struct: void Agent::simulate(State& copy, int8(&check)[HEIGHT * WIDTH][2], int8& checkCounter, int8(&cells)[32][2], int8(&visited)[WIDTH][HEIGHT])
struct: be passing by reference?
jacek: ohh never saw the int (&x)[3] as argument
jacek: but yeah, they should be passed as reference
Astrobytes: it's a way of passing raw arrays as references jacek
jacek: so change one inside the function and it will be changed outside
Astrobytes: perhaps it's the 2d part?
struct: Ok, so I got it right
struct: Now I cant understand why calling that function is costing so much
struct: I moved the code to a function so I dont have repeated code
struct: But now it slowed by 50%
Astrobytes: do you have to calculate height * width on the fly?
struct: compiler should handle it right?
Astrobytes: possibly, I like to be sure
Astrobytes: I don't think that's the issue though
struct: Ok makes sense it was 50%
struct: I had a bug where i increased sims two times..
Astrobytes: I believe the appropriate response is: "lel"
Astrobytes: don't worry, I've had many of those moments in the past 24 hours
jacek: aww
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
MadKnight: wow that looks like a ton of weird code
MadKnight: why would anyone need to pass such things somewhere ?
MadKnight: in such a way ?
MadKnight: what is struct even doing ?
struct: stc
jacek: not using structs obiously
Astrobytes: passing raw arrays by reference
MadKnight: no i mean what for ?
Astrobytes: he just said, stc
MadKnight: stc has visited ?
struct: floodfill has
MadKnight: just use my fancy BFS implementation
Astrobytes: you're passing all that to a floodfill?
MadKnight: fast and readable
struct: no
struct: for floodfill i pass this
struct: int8 Agent::floodFill(State& state, int8 _x, int8 _y, int8& min_x, int8& max_x, int8 (&cells)[32][2], int8 (&visited)[WIDTH][HEIGHT])
MadKnight: lol just make a struct for all of these
AntiSquid: still huge line in param
MadKnight: Agent::floodFill(ffData& data)
Astrobytes: it is a tad unwieldy tbh
MadKnight: why do u need to pass visited ?
MadKnight: why not generate new?
MadKnight: and what are these min/max x ?
MadKnight: u still could just use my BFS which supports all of that and doesn't look weird
struct: minX maxX is for piecesFall
AntiSquid: how about a function call as parameter, the function then returns a bunch of paramters!?
MadKnight: why "!?" ?
AntiSquid: because it's a question with a lot of enthusiasm
MadKnight: we can't tell if that's better, struct isn't giving a lot of info about what exactly he's trying to do
MadKnight: with this
MadKnight: he's like
MadKnight: "i'm trying to do this weird way for something"
MadKnight: wow so YT just stated
MadKnight: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c9d060a5-8f19-4897-b569-310a01fcc343
AntiSquid: w/e ... i just hope at some point article 230 gets reworked and social media doesn't take sides / goes political on its users . really hate the censorship ...
LastRick: ^
AntiSquid: but don't expect anyone to do something for the people at this point, everyone just covering their own ass and doing their lobbying and business dealz
AntiSquid: MadKnight https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmKtn_HvpfbTu3QV4lhJIMw/videos scroll down a bit, zuck and dorsey were under fire for how they handle their platforms
Astrobytes: hey AntiSquid, ever check out Lex Fridman on youtube?
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: why? is there a particular video / topic you want to mention ?
AntiSquid: i even joined his discord, but was getting pinged for random stuff like "poetry hour" ... even Automaton2000 is more reasonable
Automaton2000: i really want to submit my code and it works fine
Astrobytes: Totally unrelated to previous chat, just seemed like a channel you'd check out. Just watched (well, listened mostly) to his Leonard Susskind and Jim Gates
Astrobytes: interviews
AntiSquid: a lot of the stuff he says end up being repetitive at some point btw, he follows specific format, you'll notice after 10 - 20 videos :P
AntiSquid: guests can be interesting to listen to but it often gets philosophical and it's somewhat watered down for the audience
Astrobytes: Yeah I already noticed, but still responses vary. He's framing topics in a ML/AI context which is cool. But yes, rather dumbed down
Astrobytes: I don't mind the philosophical parts tbh
AntiSquid: when GPT-3 just became popular he started asking about it every god-damn video, i mean it's an awesome tool, but you don't learn much about it from his videos, you would need to search gpt-3 specific videos to see all the cool stuff it can do (this is what i mean by watered down)
Astrobytes: Yeah I get you. Tbh I was more interested in his videos with theoretical physicists :D
AntiSquid: also you had to apply for the tool and were put in a queue and chances were high you wouldn't get access unless you work in a lab and do some super interesting projects :/
AntiSquid: for gpt-3
Astrobytes: I didn't start listening for educational purposes, just interesting conversation
Astrobytes: For example, I'm not gonna listen to his Joe Rogan interview.
AntiSquid: Elon Musk was in some of his vids, that's how i found his channel
Mastermori: how do I repeat the first part of coders strike back??
BenPix: what's a bruh number ?
AntiSquid: you can't reset to wood Mastermori if that's what you mean
Astrobytes: Otherwise just type "Coders" :P
Astrobytes: I have no idea BenPix
Mastermori: I apparently played it over 2 years ago and have no idea whats going on now, can I reset the hitns and the state of the instructions (its telling me that I "now have access to boost" which implies there were easier instructions before these)
BenPix: no idea for the meaning of this question "A bruh number of n is square of sum digits of n"
AntiSquid: Astrobytes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m3hGZvD-0s interesting how his way of life religious (strict habits) without involving any religion :P
BenPix: example: 4 is the bruh number of 11
Mastermori: it means for 6241 its (6+2+4+1)^2 @BenPix
BenPix: ooooh I see, thanks bud :)
Mastermori: no problem ^^
jacek: so clash
jacek: y
AntiSquid: you can only go through the old leagues from a new account or by deleting your account and re-registering it :/ Mastermori
Astrobytes: yeah, I don't get into any of that crap AntiSquid, life is too volatile.
Mastermori: Oh, ok ty Antisquid
Astrobytes: Annoying as it is :/
Mastermori: WIll just create a new account then, dont have much here anyways
jacek: oO
AntiSquid: i think i like joe rogan more than lex fridman
Astrobytes: lol, on a personal level perhaps yeah haha
Astrobytes: Can't see Lex doing DMT
Astrobytes: If Joe would perhaps smoke less of the ganja he might get his head together a bit more
Astrobytes: anyway, out for tonight. Off to cross my fingers my raic bot climbs overnight before I bring it down again with my rewrite tomorrow
Astrobytes: gn all
jacek: mods are asleep, start trolling
Astrobytes: i'm not gone just yet
Astrobytes: shocking behaviour jacek :P
jacek: AutomatonNN is that true
AutomatonNN: why is life a contest?
jacek: indeed
Astrobytes: very profound. Good night
AntiSquid: and Isaac Arthur is my favorite for listening to philosophical stuff, but havn't tuned in for a while
AntiSquid: i thought proper trolling happens right in front of mods and goes unnoticed jacek
reCurse: I'm pretty sure at least 50% of my time in pytorch is spent making tensor match in size and dimensions
reCurse: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
AntiSquid: what are you working on ?
reCurse: ML for work project
Westicles: Kind of scary, people mess up a tensor and cars drive off bridges
reCurse: Gladly working on less life-critical stuff
reCurse: Still though I must be missing something
reCurse: Or maybe I just suck at remembering shapes
reCurse: But there has to be a smarter way
mzbear: WTF, some people solve every puzzle in every language, like 300+ puzzles solved in 20+ languages. Is there some tool to generate solutions in every language at the same time or what's going on?
reCurse: A lot of languages have very straightforward translations
Westicles: I wouldn't know
mzbear: Westicles, how did you do it? Every language with 387 puzzles solved, except c++ with 388 puzzles solved
Westicles: Well, the supernintendo challenge is c++ only...
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5800a36c655f42f53885c128d09eaed15f7f
DomiKo: mzbear that could help
Westicles: Oh, so now it is helpful :P
mzbear: I see, he only needs to write solution in one language and then write an execution wrapper in every other language ... *sigh*
DomiKo: "only"
reCurse: That's not what this contribution is about though?
Westicles: No, different problem entirely
Westicles: More of a golfing application
Westicles: Funny everybody says "how do you do that", looks at the solution, declares it trivial, and gets all haughty
DomiKo: 100% agree
mzbear: Yes, I didn't expect cheating to be an option
Westicles: And there you go...
mzbear: it's indeed trivial if you change the rules and don't actually write the solution in the given language
DomiKo: cheating?
Westicles: mzbear, you are ignorant of the rules
mzbear: There only seems to be rules for contests, the puzzles don't seem to have rules at all
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/rules-of-the-code-golf-and-optimization-challenges/187258/5
mzbear: A pascal code that executes a c++ compiler and runs the resulting binary is not a solution written in pascal. Makes those statistics completely useless
mzbear: It would be nice if the profile directly allowed displaying the player's published solutions to puzzles (if the viewer has solved them as well)
reCurse: Blame the game not the player
Westicles: Well, they could fix it pretty easily. Move perl to /usr/share/zzz....zzz/perl
mzbear: I'm just disappointed. Also, that link about code golfing rules shocked me a bit, as I had never thought of the "output random answer, submit until it passes" approach. If that is a legit strategy, code golfing leaderboards are worth nothing
Westicles: Oh yeah, those guys brag about submitting 500 times with random answers. You have to turn off your personal sense of Justice and just enjoy that the problem has sneaky approaches
Westicles: Of course, that could be fixed with many validators.
Westicles: I don't think most people care much about it. Like the least important thing in the universe to change it
mzbear: I had taken a brief attempt at code golf puzzles before and thought I just sucked at it because my solutions got nowhere close to winning ones and I couldn't think of any further tricks to employ
mzbear: I used the leaderboard as a goal to see how much room I have to improve
mzbear: Seems to have been a foolish thing to do.
mzbear: I was expecting the leaderboard scores to represent the algorithmic complexity of the problem, or at least the kolmogorov complexity of the validation set
mzbear: I must admit I'm currently upset
LastRick: hahahah
struct: The multies with the most players give the easier points
therealbeef: and contests
mzbear: Waitamoment. Since solutions can run arbitrary binaries, is it possible for bot challenges to execute the opponent's bot to play in its stead?
mzbear: Does the referee run as same user as the bot? Now that the fall contest is over and the rules no longer apply, would it be OK for bot to snoop the referee's memory to look up the upcoming recipes and spells to eliminate randomness?
Westicles: You mess around with contests or bot problems, you get banned
mzbear: contests yes, but where are the rules for bot competitions? I'm not seeing any rules anywhere
struct: I doubt you can execute opponent code
struct: They run under different users, but on the same machine
mzbear: oh, so they've considered that already
reCurse: Something that obvious would have been abused years ago
GD_JackAttack: no
GD_JackAttack: I wont
GD_JackAttack: you know what
GD_JackAttack: i will
LastRick: Must be that time of night
GD_JackAttack: yes
Wisart: I completed power of thor but didn't get any coding points, how does this work?
GD_JackAttack: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6dc2f132-f4cf-4e8f-a3c4-31c5198a4ead
GD_JackAttack: a
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Majeck: Wisart, you get XP for solving single-player puzzles and CodinPoints for beating other players in the "Compete" tab
Majeck: XP = Levels
CodinPoints = Rank
GD_JackAttack: c=var
GD_JackAttack: vore
Majeck: You could beat all the Very Hard puzzles, be level 50 but if you didn't participate in any multis you would have a rank of 2000000 or something
Wisart: sry again, so if I click on Compete in the top ther is a section code golf, there I have power of thor which I completed and gained XP
Majeck: Ohhh
Wisart: So thor is only xp but no coding points?
Majeck: You have to wait a day hahaha
Majeck: Yeah Code Golf gives you CodinPoints
Wisart: ah damn, thx
Wisart: kk i'm just too impatient :D
Majeck: But your rank updates once a day
Wisart: well I already got my thor rank, that updated pretty quickly
GD_JackAttack: nigger
bullettime: ??
HorseNuggets: whoa there buddy
Toppizzalover7: ikr
Toppizzalover7: hi
HorseNuggets: how it goin
Toppizzalover7: ok im a newbie
HorseNuggets: really now
Toppizzalover7: so like i dont know a interger is
HorseNuggets: yeah bro integers are pretty complex
Toppizzalover7: soooo care to help
HorseNuggets: integers aren't real
Toppizzalover7: ?
Toppizzalover7: wym
HorseNuggets: they are yet a figment of your imagination
Toppizzalover7: oh so whats int
Toppizzalover7: also can u follow my
Toppizzalover7: *me
Toppizzalover7: Hello?
Toppizzalover7: gtg
StuInDev-Evan: hi
Toppizzalover7: hi
Toppizzalover7: also ive got no idea what im doing
Toppizzalover7: gtg
BrainBomber100: poggers
slvt_c0d3r: yo wasup losrs
HiHat1937: Good morning!
