ClockSort: what do you mean, "losing an openref"? you mean newing something that becomes garbage?
Zenoscave: If a var goes out of scope and is no longer referenced
Zenoscave: yeah
ClockSort: ok to create local-scoped value-type primitives in a function? or do those end up with the GC?
ClockSort: based on my research, that should be ok
Zenoscave: those will be stack so fine
ClockSort: what about setting a Tuple<> (value type) to a New Tuple<> value? does the old value get GC'd?
Zenoscave: yup
ClockSort: it shouldn't since Tuple is value type.
Zenoscave: It is?
Zenoscave: Thought tuple was ref
ClockSort: oh wow it was changed. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2410710/why-is-the-new-tuple-type-in-net-4-0-a-reference-type-class-and-not-a-value-t
Zenoscave: Microsoft made all tuple types reference types in the interests of simplicity.
Zenoscave: Yeah
ClockSort: well that's probably my problem, let me test it...
ClockSort: yes that's it, i'm creating thousands of tuples and letting GC clean up. lol
Zenoscave: lol nice find
ClockSort: whoa, there's a ValueTuple in C# 7 which is a value-type tuple
Zenoscave: what vers. is on CG again? time for the faq
Zenoscave: 8.0
ClockSort: *phew*
ClockSort: let's see if that improves things.
rockstar555: hii world
ClockSort: hello rockstar
ClockSort: did you know that stars are also rocks? just really wet ones.
rockstar555: hello ClockSort
Zenoscave: is plasma wet?
Zenoscave: never thought of it that way
rockstar555: thanks for information
rockstar555: hello Zenoscave
Zenoscave: hi rockstar555
rockstar555: lets play clash of code
ClockSort: i don't have time, only 172 more hours available for the fall challenge
Zenoscave: ^^^
rockstar555: okkk
rockstar555: let me go match was started
rockstar555: clash of code
rockstar555: hii
ClockSort: oh sweet, i think that fixed it
Zenoscave: only d=3? full or beam?
FahrendraKhoirul: kuy play clash of code
ClockSort: you looking at my bot?
Zenoscave: perhaps ;)
ClockSort: that's running at 5ms to combat GC :P
FahrendraKhoirul: wow
FahrendraKhoirul: that cool
ClockSort: let me submit this...
Zenoscave: no throttle on time?
NinjaDoggy: GC can be combated pretty effeciently
NinjaDoggy: initialize all the variables you need on turn 1
NinjaDoggy: and never let GC do anything ;)
Zenoscave: lol hey NinjaDoggy
NinjaDoggy: hey zeno!
Zenoscave: how's your bot
NinjaDoggy: it's not bad
ClockSort: i'm setting my C# BFS search to run until 40ms is up
rockstar555: hii
NinjaDoggy: i'm full rewriting in C++
NinjaDoggy: and i had an AHA! moment :)
NinjaDoggy: should be top 20 minimum again soon ;)
Zenoscave: oh no. Not a famous Ninja aha
NinjaDoggy: hehe... last time i had that
ClockSort: @ninjadoggy what search alg you using?
NinjaDoggy: was on Code of ice and fire :P
Zenoscave: I remember
NinjaDoggy: dijkstra's to solve the game
NinjaDoggy: just bfs
NinjaDoggy: should be able to go depth 20+ or something
ClockSort: i'm getting depth 6 or 7 bfs in C#
Zenoscave: full bfs depth 20!?
NinjaDoggy: soons ;)
Zenoscave: are you MAD
ClockSort: that's mad, you must be trimming
NinjaDoggy: cast/brew depth 20+
NinjaDoggy: current java bot gets like depth 10 with cast/brew
ClockSort: it does help to cut learns
Zenoscave: no learn?
NinjaDoggy: i don't think learning is too important yet
NinjaDoggy: just learn first X turns ;)
Zenoscave: Testing now...
NinjaDoggy: a lot of bots have success with it
Donotalo: i'm only casting and resting upto depth 20 easily, to find brewable orders from a given inventory
rockstar555: hello averyone
Zenoscave: I do both first x and then learns in between
NinjaDoggy: yea cast/rest can go really deep
NinjaDoggy: yea that sounds good as well
NinjaDoggy: where if learning doesn't impede anything
NinjaDoggy: just learn because it's helpful later
Zenoscave: fair
ClockSort: if you tame the GC, can you really get much better perf out of C++ vs C# or Java?
NinjaDoggy: yea it's huge for java at least
NinjaDoggy: in my experience
rockstar555: C++
D.FooL: Why i'm not getting a 100% though i passed all the test cases?
NinjaDoggy: for what? a puzzle?
NinjaDoggy: the test cases in IDE are different from the cases when you hit submit
NinjaDoggy: (to prevent hard coding)
rockstar555: hey tell me what was the best among java c++ and c#
NinjaDoggy: depends...
NinjaDoggy: C++ is best for speed
NinjaDoggy: C# is mostly just better java? I think?
NinjaDoggy: java is best if that's what you're most comfortable with
rockstar555: thanks NinjaDoggy
D.FooL: TicTacToe
D.FooL: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ac50fbfd-e578-448b-912a-fe57be32f147
rockstar555: yes i made this game in dev C++
D.FooL: i think i don't have a problem on my code.
D.FooL: Is this a kind of bug?
D.FooL: This is my 2nd time
rockstar555: can you tell me about turbo C++
ClockSort: @ninjadoggy do you know how many states you're looking at during a search?
rockstar555: hiii
rockstar555: hey anybody wants to play coc
kerdei: Promotion to Bronze League in :
00H 00MN 33SC YASSS! :nerd:
HungryBurger: @kerdei You're out of the woods now.
rockstar555: hii
kerdei: :sweat_smile:
rockstar555: Hello World Program
FahrendraKhoirul: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/146481637cf69f1fed1decc8aaabb84716336fe
lets play
ClockSort: i'm in
ClockSort: lol i'm not in.
ClockSort: i guess you have to click Join
rockstar555: https://www.codingame.com/profile/1f5b0ff230728fcbcecbae143f3ae5148463604
phord: Am I the only one making up my own search algo as I go?
ClockSort: you are not.
rockstar555: https://discord.gg/arg8qgQp
FahrendraKhoirul: cmon join discord
Rodrigo_the_coder: C:\Users\USER\Videos\Captures\help me leh.mp4
useAllTheThings: Whoa, you got some weird things in that folder
AbundantPuddle: Yeah, I wouldn't be sharing that if I were you.
AbundantPuddle: I mean to each his own, but... The world doesn't need to know.
phord: It asked me for a login. :-(
phord: hunter2
AbundantPuddle: The username is "password" and the password is "password."
AbundantPuddle: It's just easier to remember it that way.
yhyoxx: nice
rockstar555: hello
rockstar555: yhyoxx
Csipcsirip: server is dead again :(
Zenoscave: On submits?
Csipcsirip: ye
Zenoscave: Shame :/
Marcelo-Hackerman: i hate these long problems
Marcelo-Hackerman: so much to read
Csipcsirip: the game engine is the simplest one ever tho
yhyoxx: hello rockstar555
rockstar555: hello yhyoxx
yhyoxx: how do u red text ?
yhyoxx: are u so a moderator
rockstar555: yes
yhyoxx: did u hack this website ?
rockstar555: no
yhyoxx: okay :')
Westicles: That's the blood of Jesus
rockstar555: hi
yhyoxx: x)
rockstar555: what you are saying
eulerscheZahl: Csipcsirip not simpler than Tron
rockstar555: https://discord.gg/2QFMQ8Wy
rockstar555: join me
eulerscheZahl: no, stop posting that link
rockstar555: PUbg
rockstar555: I am a hacker
rockstar555: i am just joking
rockstar555: i am not a hacker
yhyoxx: :grimacing:
rockstar555: hey gueys can you play Pubg
rockstar555: tell me about codingame
rockstar555: anybody here
Uljahn: rockstar555: yes
rockstar555: join me on above link
anantaCodes: Please dont spam here
Ifthel: I doubt this is the place to look for pubg teammates rockstar555
anantaCodes: I checked Eulers Heroku app containing some 1200 puzzles from Codingames? Does it mean those are all the questions that we get while competing too?
phord: "Top 100 Companies" has a search field that says "Search for a friend, school or country". But searching for "country" doesn't work here.
eulerscheZahl: no, i would have to update my database. i guess i have 98% or so
rockstar555: hii
anantaCodes: 98% is impressive too.Thanks
eulerscheZahl: it's a dual use sadly. it can help you understand a reverse or finish a clash after the 15min. but also help you cheat :/
eulerscheZahl: i have a script for the DB update, give me a second...
eulerscheZahl: 1195 puzzles => 1231
updated
rockstar555: hii
Remus_: good morning
Got up to work but still ended up here
anantaCodes: Thanks a lot Euler !
raymoo: can you buy a spell if you can only afford it with the tax accumulated on it?
Remus_: afaik, no
raymoo: thanks
rockstar555: anybody knows websites for playing games
eulerscheZahl: go to miniclip.com and leave us alone
NinjaDoggy: euler, if you don't mind me asking...
NinjaDoggy: what's nodes = X and d = 13
NinjaDoggy: especially the nodes part :O
NinjaDoggy: 46k? how D:
Nerchio: not-java for starters
NinjaDoggy: yea he's using C#, but I just rewrote in C++
NinjaDoggy: and only getting 30-40k "iterations" of bfs
eulerscheZahl: d is the depth
NinjaDoggy: yeh that's obvious... but nodes? :D
eulerscheZahl: and i'm still optimizing performance, i think i have a good idea to completely clutter my code
NinjaDoggy: lol nice
eulerscheZahl: nodes = single states that i can reach
rockstar555: https://discord.gg/arg8qgQp
eulerscheZahl: some nodes might be equal
eulerscheZahl: you've been warned Rockspringa
eulerscheZahl: rockstar555 (sorry, tab completion)
NinjaDoggy: oh... I think i might know why
NinjaDoggy: i count the same way but
NinjaDoggy: i prune out nodes really well
NinjaDoggy: so my depth conversion is better but less nodes
NinjaDoggy: ;)
eulerscheZahl: i do: expand node() => increase counter => add to set which removes duplicates
NinjaDoggy: ok yea lemme try that method of counting
eulerscheZahl: now rockstar is insulting me in private messages
Nerchio: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: taking 1 for the team
NinjaDoggy: lol
eulerscheZahl: so, back to my madness, afk
Remus_: I can sometimes match your Ai in the first 75% of the match, euler, then you destroy me in the last 25%
NinjaDoggy: ok phew there we go, i'm getting roughly 120k "nodes" by how you're counting
NinjaDoggy: I was going to say... what magic is he doing is C# that's faster than my current sim ._.
eulerscheZahl: working on it. it will be faster i think
Nerchio: euler probably gets the most out of his language :P
Nerchio: still much easier to do with c++
xineohp: euler do you think your current search will stay good for higher leagues as well, with slight modifications?
rockstar555: you dont know who i am
eulerscheZahl: xineohp i still have some ideas how to improve. not sure if my current bot will reach legend as it is
eulerscheZahl: rockstar555 now stop spamming or the next strike will be permanent
rockstar555: i am a hacker
VizGhar: Can I create multithreaded bot?
rockstar555: Sorry guys
VizGhar: might be fun to compute graph nodes even while waiting for referee or other players
eulerscheZahl: yes but you only get 1 core anyways VizGhar
eulerscheZahl: and your process gets paused
VizGhar: ah i see :)
rockstar555: how i can make games
rockstar555: can i make a multiplayer game using coding
rockstar555: like a battle royal game
GoogleJeff: yes
GoogleJeff: start here: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/
GoogleJeff: come back when you've finished all of the steps there
GoogleJeff: or if you have questions
VizGhar: And if you mean game for CG go for java instead
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/code-royale
the closest to battle royale we have here
rockstar555: nice thanks for information
rockstar555: thanks for everybody
eulerscheZahl: aaaand it crashed
eulerscheZahl: so much about my rewrite
VizGhar: I want your life guys :) I have like 1hr a day for coding CG...
VizGhar: work, family, sleep until I get out of rat race
yhyoxx: it's okay
yhyoxx: we're doing all of this for the things u have achieved
yhyoxx: i dont even have a job
yhyoxx: im so broke :'(
eulerscheZahl: i took a week off from my job just for this contest
Westicles: Heh heh, you are so ethical. Sitting there typing all day, who would know
rockstar555: the game was fun queen i like this battle royal game thank
rockstar555: you
Westicles: Well, except for all the witches and cauldrons and whatnot
rockstar555: can you tell me websites for coding like codingame.com
Q12: which spells are repeatable?
Remus_: All except the first 4
Nerchio: no
Nerchio: the ones that give you ingredients without sacrificing any are not repeatable too
Remus_: true
Remus_: didn't notice that
Q12: so the first 4 and the ones that are free not repeatable, yeah?
Nerchio: i think so
Q12: thanks
LLG: what happens if 2 players issue a LEARN command on the same spell in the same turn?
Westicles: All the ones here without a negative number
eulerscheZahl: both get the spell
Westicles: https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
rockstar555: tell about CG
AbundantPuddle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CodinGame
eulerscheZahl: i donated already. stop showing me this wikipedia!
AbundantPuddle: Lmfao
Csipcsirip: wow this wikipedia site is bad euler is missing from the list of key ppl
AbundantPuddle: It needs updated
Csipcsirip: or maybe he is not calle eulerscheZahl irl ?
eulerscheZahl: the last of languages does not include D!!!!!
eulerscheZahl: someone edit the wiki right now
AbundantPuddle: Nope, pretty sure that's their real life name.
Westicles: His real name is Euler Merkel
rockstar555: tell me best software for designing games
AbundantPuddle: Somebody give wikipedia the D!
rockstar555: what is D
WINWINWIN: Its a programming Language
Westicles: You are too young for that answer
rockstar555: I don't know about this types of programming language
Westicles: It is one of those languages where you google something and it turns out to be obsolete
rockstar555: nice
eulerscheZahl: what's google? let me altavista that quickly
rockstar555: can you want to make your logo
Westicles: Oh right, I meant duckduckgo it
rockstar555: how i can win legend achivments in codingame
GoogleJeff: but seriously, what is google
rockstar555: https://www.canva.com/tools/logo-maker-q1/?irgwc=1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=ONLINE%20ONLY&clickId=Q3KQTO2CoxyLUaa0Rw0UrUzuUkEzpzWENyIUVc0
eulerscheZahl: and what's a Jeff?
Westicles: Every time I see Googlejeff, I think of Gurdjieff
rockstar555: hii
rockstar555: is unity is best than Unreal
deoxify: is there a way to close this panel
Uljahn: to close click the triangle icon on the bottom or you mean disable completely?
rockstar555: https://www.canva.com/design/DAENqGR4mI0/LfKJ58VlDwpKG38jfL7pYw/view?utm_content=DAENqGR4mI0&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=publishsharelink
deoxify: oh thanks i thought that button was for something else
rockstar555: hey you don't give me my answer
rockstar555: is Unity best than Unreal engine
AbundantPuddle: I think you have a lot of learning to do rockstar. I would lean towards Unity being more beginner-friendly. However, which one is "better" is purely subjective.
rockstar555: this is the logo made by me
rockstar555: ok
LordSkaven: are we allowed to use threads or async programming?
AbundantPuddle: Actually let me rephrase that as well, it is subjective in a lot of cases, but depending on the application, one may fair better than the other as well.
rmuskovets: LordSkaven: i think yes, but afaik the runner VMs are given only 1 core
AbundantPuddle: iirc, that is what somebody said earlier in chat.
LordSkaven: thanks
LordSkaven: I am probably getting ahead of myself, I am still not sure how to generate my graph fully, all the work I have done with BFS has been with pathfinding and generating the grid there is easy lol
rmuskovets: what puzzle are you doing?
rockstar555: bye gueys
LordSkaven: Fall challenge
AbundantPuddle: Bye rockstar. Good luck.
ikadimi: 7
rockstar555: thank you
rmuskovets: LordSkaven do you use it for recipes? if so, how, if not a secret?
rockstar555: i will tell you websites for playing games
rockstar555: https://www.agame.com/
rockstar555: Play Subway Clash 3d
eulerscheZahl: stop it or ban rockstar555
rmuskovets: rockstar555 this is not a #offtopic channel
LordSkaven: rmuskovets: I am not sure yet. using a tree for the simulations. I hear some people are using BFS to transverse it, not sure if that is the best way yet.
rmuskovets: I'm trying to make a simple sim too
rmuskovets: especially for ranking potions
rockstar555: Sorry
LordSkaven: yeah, at the moment my sim is just a block of foreach's. Trying to figure out how to make it more recursive and adjustable
rockstar555: ok tell me about Unreal engine
rockstar555: this help me for making games
rmuskovets: like "if (isBestBalance(potion, allPotions)) { actionsQueue = paths[potion.delta] }
rockstar555: can i make software by using java
rmuskovets: yes
AbundantPuddle: There are tons of tutorials online and on YouTube.
rockstar555: tell me
tomatoes: :expressionless:
AbundantPuddle: I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're being serious.
rockstar555: tomatoes
yhyoxx: ^
AbundantPuddle: But in any case, I'm back to working on my code. Good luck.
Uljahn: rockstar555: people are busy here with ongoing competition, so pls be patient, don't annoy them and use search engines before you ask
yhyoxx: "rmuskovets 09:38AM
I'm trying to make a simple sim too
especially for ranking potions"
yhyoxx: what do u mean by sim ?
Gronahak: \/mute rockstar555
Gronahak: /mute rockstar555
Gronahak: /mute rockstar555
rmuskovets: yhyoxx: simulation of my moves
rmuskovets: btw guys what do you use for this chat (xmpp/jabber clients)?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/faq check the bottom
eulerscheZahl: i think you need a "real" CG account. no github login
Illedan: Nice lead euler :O
eulerscheZahl: pb pushed me
eulerscheZahl: and i have weird bugs
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/vjwl6t
i want to double-cast
Illedan: :D
SabertheLost: when is silver unlocked?
Illedan: In about 8 hours I guess
b0n5a1: 18h00
LordSkaven: today between 16:00 UTC and 18:00 UTC
SabertheLost: cool
Westicles: Mysterious new American in the top 10
SabertheLost: I will not make it. My still do not look into what it should make. Just collect spells and makes ingredients then brew anything it can ..
eulerscheZahl: mysterious python at 31
rmuskovets: euler, you're at #1 now? cool
rmuskovets: so many c++ at top of leaderboard...
Uljahn: that python is pretty cool, would like to read his postmortem
rmuskovets: what does that decimal number in leaderboard say?
rmuskovets: percentage of wins?
Uljahn: TrueSkill rank
rmuskovets: wikipedia says it's a microsoft product, am I missing something?
Uljahn: that's just an algo similar to Elo
rmuskovets: is it a good idea to build a graph with nodes=recipes and 'lines'=inventory after that recipe?
rmuskovets: i think i'll do that vice-versa
Uljahn: that's the best way to learn
Uljahn: you do both and profile
rmuskovets: then I'll probably be able to implement some algo like DFT
ngxingyu: is genetic algorithm good for this?
rmuskovets: my brain looks at it like the lines are some changes, so latter is more intuitive
rmuskovets: also if I have a starting inventory, how to represent that as a Delta?
rmuskovets: (^ rhetoric question)
Westicles: GA isn't great for 50ms type of puzzles
ngxingyu: i see okay thanks @Westicles
kreska: im 428 this is super addictive:D
rmuskovets: in what league?
kreska: bronze
rmuskovets: :open_mouth:
Clagus: are the bugs fixed already?
Clagus: ok, I can see that they are
[FIXED] all spells repeatable
rmuskovets: i think i'm going to use mcts... it looks good
LordSkaven: yeah it looks promising rmuskovets
eulerscheZahl: return (ActiveSpells | spell.Mask) != 0;
oops
yhyoxx: woah
yhyoxx: i never used |
yhyoxx: outside bash
eulerscheZahl: bitwise OR
and it should be &
rmuskovets: i think i could write a postmortem after this challenge ends
Westicles: We should all make a solemn pact to start with 20 learns
eulerscheZahl: first 20, no picking
Westicles: right
rmuskovets: in the 20 first turns
wlesavo: and the winner would be the one breaking the pact
eulerscheZahl: no, that would just be a disqualification
rmuskovets: so that both players get the 20 learned spells
rmuskovets: wlesavo if so, just make a bot that does a first WAIT
wlesavo: oh i see, we should make all the move besides learn 0 be non active in referee until turn 20
rmuskovets: can I make vscode also treat comment+indent as a proper indent?
rmuskovets: like this
rmuskovets: like this:
// Types
class Delta {
rmuskovets: cg editor does treat that as a indent and lets me fold/unfold
rmuskovets: vscode doesn't
rmuskovets: ah, I just need to place a #region
eulerscheZahl: that sounds like C#
rmuskovets: i mean inside of a comment
rmuskovets: like // #region Game loop
rmuskovets: also, I'm writing TS
rmuskovets: turned out I'm writing a DFT
rmuskovets: lol
rmuskovets: instead of MCTS
mcts: oh wow I need to change my name I just received a ping for your message ^^
[CG]Thibaud: :D
rmuskovets: I think setting a depth limit on recursive DFT is a good idea, isn't it?
rmuskovets: maybe I could overcome this by not including the recipes that give free stuff to my algo
Csipcsirip: dft? like Discrete Fourier transform?
rmuskovets: nah, depth first traversal
rmuskovets: i dont even know what's a Fourier transform
Csipcsirip: oh u mean DFS
eulerscheZahl: congrats pb4
SujalAI: How do I find the optimal path to a spell?
SujalAI: I am a newbie in coding so can you suggest some algorithms
eulerscheZahl: i think even top players only found the optimal path by chance
rmuskovets: I'm currently trying a depth first traversal SujalAI but that algo can easily timeout
SujalAI: oh
SujalAI: I guess I should look it up
rmuskovets: it's a pretty simple one
SujalAI: I heard someone is using dijkstra
LuckyJ.: Why not using a bfs instead of a dfs?
Westicles: Seems like people are saying BFS with pruning
SujalAI: which is easier to implement lol?
andrefpoliveira: Both are pretty simple
rmuskovets: they're kinda the same difficulty
rmuskovets: that is "simple"
SujalAI: Unfortunately I have never used either of them
andrefpoliveira: Ahah the simpler you will find probably
rmuskovets: for djikstra or a-star you need a heuristic function that'll give a estimate path length to the goal iirc
Westicles: And I declare the optimal number of learn 0's to start is... 11 or 12
SujalAI: I don't think heuristic is required for dijkstra
Remus_: dfs didn't really work for me
it was really fast compared to bfs but it made some nonsense moves with sorted actins
SujalAI: or is it?
AbundantPuddle: Or you can just hard code every possible combination.
SujalAI: I didn't understand how a path finding algo could be applied to this, because there are vectors for nodes
rmuskovets: you can give it pretty much anything as a node type
rmuskovets: I'm using recipes as edges and inventory after the recipe as node
SujalAI: i thought of that too but didn't understand how to implemrnt it
SujalAI: and also some spells disappear after using them]
Uljahn: they just become inactive until you REST
Remus_: @rmuskovets
if you only store inventory, how do you know which recipes exits/castable at that point?
eulerscheZahl: click the gear (viewer settings) to still see the spells
rmuskovets: I also store all recipes
SujalAI: ive seen some spells disappear and not jus exhausted
SujalAI: does this really happen?
Uljahn: no, show a replay with disappearing spells, could be a bug
yhyoxx: i keep ending up with full inventory :/
Michael_Howard: There's a setting to hide exhausted spells
SujalAI: o
SujalAI: oh
SujalAI: oh yeah it was turned on
aristotelis-bobas: why is silver league postponed?
aristotelis-bobas: will there be new mechanics in silver league?
Uljahn: no
aristotelis-bobas: ok thnx
Uljahn: silver opens in about 4 hours
aristotelis-bobas: ah nice
SujalAI: rmuskovets which path finding also are you using
rmuskovets: depth first search
SujalAI: kk
rmuskovets: Uljahn so at ~14:30 +0?
Uljahn: current time + 5-6 hours i guess
Uljahn: 4 hours was a bit harsh estimation, sorry
rmuskovets: now you say 5-6 hours... time keeps changing:)
rmuskovets: np
rmuskovets: it's just more time for us to get ready
rmuskovets: SujalAI: how you're so high? I'm at 3189 now
Uljahn: nobody knows the exact time, we can only extrapolate from the past experience :smiley:
Michael_Howard: so it's not empty
SujalAI: rmuskovets I'm not using any path finding algos, just basic strats
Michael_Howard: oops lag
SujalAI: I learn the spells of highest 'value' (determined by a heuristic)
rmuskovets: that's what I used before too
SujalAI: And I'm not really using any strat to cast spells
SujalAI: I just brew any potion I can
SujalAI: I also priortize casting spells with higher 'value'
rmuskovets: I'll bring back my old strategy
rmuskovets: it's better than what I currently do (learn every single recipe)
rmuskovets: definitely better.
LordSkaven: that moment when your bot breaks top 2000, but you have no idea why it works
Illedan: eulerscheZahl, did you break it?
eulerscheZahl: i don't think so
eulerscheZahl: i fixed it
eulerscheZahl: performs better offline
Illedan: An era of C# is over already? :(
eulerscheZahl: before it even started
Illedan: True
Illedan: 7 days to learn C++, lets go!
eulerscheZahl: resubmit of yesterday evening just to be sure
wlesavo: it was good while it lasted
rmuskovets: eulerscheZahl same
rmuskovets: yesterday evening performs better than now
rmuskovets: I was 3189, now I'm 2537
rmuskovets: yesterday > today
LordSkaven: mmm, I just went from 2780 to 1690. No idea why my bot is even working lol
Westicles: Is it ever a thing to see a low rank player at the top who always seems to lose to one particular guy?
struct: I think its normal
Illedan: Sure
Westicles: I mean, would that kind of thing get you in trouble...
struct: With such a big league no
Snowite: hi
Snowite: can someone help me with a problem ?
SujalAI: yes?
eulerscheZahl: hm, back to 3rd with some battles left
rmuskovets: my newest code was timeouting because of a console.error()
rmuskovets: lol
eulerscheZahl: maybe i did break something. or unlucky run
Illedan: Fix it :)
struct: Why do you think you broke something euler?
struct: I wasnt here
eulerscheZahl: i'll let it finish and then push the version again that i see superior
eulerscheZahl: was 4th with my "improved" bot
SujalAI: woah
SujalAI: nice
SujalAI: now you're second
eulerscheZahl: my current one (first from yesterday) thinks i can cast the same spell again if i use it an even amount of times
eulerscheZahl: and that nonsense is back to #2 atm
yhyoxx: x)
struct: maybe unlucky submit
eulerscheZahl: offline: 100 wins vs current bot, 69 losses, 38 draws
struct: How does it perform in these seeds you have lost with the "fixed" version
eulerscheZahl: i feel sorry for the CG servers but i'll submit again
SujalAI: your rank dropped
SujalAI: quite a bit
Westicles: 38 draws seems surprising
Illedan: Why?
jrke: how does it feel when improved bot gets bad rank(the current feel of our legendary toad) ;)
Westicles: Hmmm, well I guess I haven't seen many in the wild, but probably related to not having a good bot
eulerscheZahl: it's still me vs other me
eulerscheZahl: not the same bot anymore but similar
eulerscheZahl: and i'm almost deterministic (time makes me random)
jrke: what you all think the opening window of silver would be?
tobk: hm, why do I not see any "opponent-cast" in my actions list? shouldn't it list the opponent's known spells?
tobk: (I wouldn't really know what to do with it, just wondering)
yhyoxx: i think u do get the values
tobk: oh, you are right. I did not notice the debug output being pruned ("..."), now printing just the types and there they are
eulerscheZahl: i think i learned absolutely nothing from that submit :/
jrke: just went 3rd from 2nd
Westicles: You've got a Rounddice problem
eulerscheZahl: i know :D
SujalAI: I'm braindead now
SujalAI: I have no ideas
eulerscheZahl: and an empty stomach problem. but i know a cure for that one at least
SujalAI: Can someone explain how depth first search can be used here?
SujalAI: Because I don't know the whole graph already, I have to extend it as I go
Q12: When the silver league is open? and which ranks from the bronze league will promote immediately?
yhyoxx: only 10 first sadly
Q12: really?!?
SujalAI: oh damn
jrke: no no not top 10 it will be between 300-600 not confirmed
Astrobytes: No, it's usually about half the leaeuge
SujalAI: isn't it any program that can defeat the boss of that league?
Astrobytes: *league
jrke: Astrobytes hi
Uljahn: first 10 is for legend
Q12: thanks
jrke: i think it was 10% for pacman
yhyoxx: was kidding :'0
Astrobytes: a Boss will be chosen by CG, everyone above it will auto-promote, everyone who beats it after will promote
Q12: and when the bronze league will be open?
Astrobytes: hi jrke
Q12: *silver
Uljahn: silver in 4+hours
Astrobytes: ^
Q12: :thumbsup:
Astrobytes: It's done manually so the time can vary a little
jrke: 5 hours from now
yhyoxx: if ur on the ide, click on the league next to the time left
DinuBrat: Wood in 2 mins)
DinuBrat: Uljahn Hi)
DinuBrat: #ru
Q12: > yhyoxx it saying just the day
SujalAI: I better get my rank above 600 before the league opens :/
yhyoxx: u asked if the bronze league is open
Q12: yeah I got confused, I am already in the bronze league :sweat_smile:
SujalAI: It seems like basic strateies are working better than path finding algos
SujalAI: weird
Snowite: can someone help me with some constructors?
SujalAI: yes?
SujalAI: Snowite
RockyMullet: hello nice people
Astrobytes: hey Rocky
RockyMullet: how you doing Astrobytes
Astrobytes: all good, yourself?
RockyMullet: yeah good good, slowly coding my sim
Astrobytes: I'm gonna start writing something shortly, after another coffee
RockyMullet: yeah good idea, I need one
Nerchio: i will be trying C++ as well we will see if badly implemented sim is better than decent java sim :D
yhyoxx: ive had so many coffees in the last 15 hours
Astrobytes: :)
Astrobytes: lol Nerchio, good luck :D
yhyoxx: does language change something ?
yhyoxx: execution time ?
andrefpoliveira: Yap
SujalAI: yes
SujalAI: c++ is fast
Nerchio: yeah the differences can be huge
yhyoxx: interesting
Astrobytes: Yeah, C++ (and Rust) can give a performance boost if done properly
yhyoxx: how can i do it properly ?
Astrobytes: Don't make it slow :P
yhyoxx: haha true
yhyoxx: for loop go brrrr
RockyMullet: yeah performance with coffee is way better
Astrobytes: :D
ParticleBeam: Sigh. When you log on and see your bot dropped a few hundred slots
rmuskovets: i really hope nodejs has some optimisations
SujalAI: im still trying to figure out the optimal path to a potion. Can someone help me pls :cry:
Nerchio: Particle it happens to almost every bot
eulerscheZahl: yeah, every single time. and then you have to fight your way up again
eulerscheZahl: the same every contest
Q12: Are the battles in arena working?
RockyMullet: yeah the things is noob like me rush a shitty bot in the first days to get top 10, then actually good programmers show up and shatter my dreams
Astrobytes: "noob like me" :D
RockyMullet: well im 236 with saturday bot rn, so nothing to write home about lol
andrefpoliveira: I wish xD
RockyMullet: should be good enough for silver, so it's time to waste time on the chat haha
Q12: Are the battles in arena working? need to know before submit
andrefpoliveira: Yeah they are
Q12: thanks
RockyMullet: well I'm actually coding my scoring for my sim, so I might have a bugged broken version soon
eulerscheZahl: i share your rush problem RockyMullet
eulerscheZahl: not to the same extent but on the last day or 2 i see that i messed up
RockyMullet: eulerscheZahl I think I always get too excited in the early days of contests :P
RockyMullet: going for instant gratification haha
eulerscheZahl: i'm too much of a CG veteran for that now :D
RockyMullet: yeah I'll never learn
eulerscheZahl: no one is surprised anymore to see me at the top early on. so it's less gratification :P
eulerscheZahl: so i build it properly and take 2 or 3 days to get to the top. and then fail because i rushed a little too much
RockyMullet: well I'm like "that son of a b did it again !" lol
AdrianGeorgeM: Hello dev friends✌️
eulerscheZahl: see, you are not surprised :D
RockyMullet: AdrianGeorgeM hello
RockyMullet: eulerscheZahl true, you need to work on your sneakyness
dauom: When will silver league be open?
andrefpoliveira: 3h30 I guess
dauom: thanks
RockyMullet: based on previous contest, it should be in 5-7 hours from now
eulerscheZahl: 5h 30min
eulerscheZahl: 6pm SaiksyTime as the French users tend to day
eulerscheZahl: say*
RockyMullet: is Saiksy the one pushing the boss ?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: [CG] Saiksy Apo
RockyMullet: I should peak more in Fr, to know the memes
eulerscheZahl: the tall, bald guy (johnnyYuge)
Astrobytes: lol
Nerchio: euler don't you think C# is going to limit you a little bit?
eulerscheZahl: it does. but less than it used to (release mode + .net core have an impact)
wlesavo: RIIR
eulerscheZahl: and it also helps me (i just can code fater in C#)
eulerscheZahl: MVVM (i have no idea what wlesavo says, just another palindrome)
Astrobytes: Rewrite It In Rust I believe
eulerscheZahl: accept defeat
eulerscheZahl: but i'm not ready for that option yet
Astrobytes: :)
NicolasH_42: + for the Rust, its such a good language ! I do this challenge to learn itand its very good so far
yhyoxx: why do we only see error streams when we're left player :/
RockyMullet: yhyoxx you se your own error stream
RockyMullet: so, there's a total of 66 rupees in the 5 potions of my test case and my sim tells me that my move gives me 204 rupees
RockyMullet: my sim too good I guess
RoundBananas: I don't understand the codingame learning path interface.
RoundBananas: How do I find the 'next' challenge to tackle?
RockyMullet: the nodes with a little "play" icon on them
RockyMullet: it's a challenge you didnt do yet
RoundBananas: Thanks RockyMullet. I've done the intro. Then it gives me three options - AI, Clash of Code and Algorithms. I chose Algorithms and it just takes me to a page called Loops with a gallery of Associated Training Puzzles. There doesn't seem to be any path or order to the challenges?
RockyMullet: oh and I have -13k of each ingredients, sooooooomething might be wrong in my code
RoundBananas: Is Chrome browser fully supported?
RockyMullet: RoundBananas hover your mouse over it
RockyMullet: it's more like "achievements"
RockyMullet: the tooltip will tell you want you need to do
LordSkaven: RockyMullet, I dont know, maybe having -13k ingredients is the secret to winning. Not sure what you will win but definitely something
RoundBananas: ok. I didn't read all that stuff in the tooltip - there it is on the last line. Cheers
RockyMullet: LordSkaven yes, I'm thinking outside the box
RockyMullet: RoundBananas have fun ! :)
RockyMullet: okay copying my sim data breaks it, giving me a broken inventory and broken rupee count :thinking:
RockyMullet: gotta untangle that spaghetti
RockyMullet: oh god im dumb
RockyMullet: uninitialized variable
RockyMullet: good, now my best move gives 0 rupee hahaha
RockyMullet: progress !
rmuskovets: :thumbsup:
blasterpoard: I've been trying to create good move generation for my search
blasterpoard: if I always play the first move it suggests, it looks like this: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/503125889
blasterpoard: for now
yhyoxx: looks good to me x)
blasterpoard: it's ok for having absolutely no search other than 1ms precalc every time I learn a spell
aCat: OK, repeteable casts done :-)
LordSkaven: nice, I am still thinking how I want to approach them
aCat: bleh, I got bunch of nested ifs
aCat: and additional bits to store the info about the number of repetitions done
Remus_: anyone else with random outcomes?
Sometimes I win by 50 points then in another seed my bot does nothing for 40 rounds
RockyMullet: Remus_ take a look at your learn code
RockyMullet: maybe you learn too many spells without checking if their any good
RockyMullet: making it way more random than choosing
RockyMullet: one seed you might be lucky and pick good spells, while in another one, bad ones
LordSkaven: booyah, Top 700 now.(650) Pretty happy with that, started 6 hours ago in Top 3000.
yhyoxx: good job
Csipcsirip: you gotta need to win all of first 30 games to get in top50...this huge bronze league is no fun
Remus_: RockyMullet, thanks for the tip, will do
Presac: I'm just happy being in the top 2000. Still haven't figured out how to handle learning spells and updating the value of spells/ingredients
RockyMullet: :thumbsup:
RockyMullet: Csipcsirip silver is out soon (couple of hours), it's probably better to hold submits until then
yhyoxx: good advice
Csipcsirip: but i need to submit :(
RockyMullet: I mean, if you have a "good enough for silver" bot
eulerscheZahl: you can reach top50 with 1 or 2 timeouts as well
RockyMullet: i'd say top 1000 is probably good enough
eulerscheZahl: and then it's server stress test time again
wlesavo: yeah, it is probably better to wait couple of hours now than couple of hours after the league will be opened
Csipcsirip: and the wait another 3 days cuz silver league wil lbe huge too
RockyMullet: Csipcsirip well maybe you can submit once during that time :P
Stanworld: you can reach top800 with a bot without considering the opponent actions...(or considering he "waits" always)
eulerscheZahl: you can reach top5 without opponent
eulerscheZahl: at least for now. will change during the contest
namenick111: heloo
namenick111: hello
Neumann: top5 without even looking at how many pots he has completed ?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: on my todo
Neumann: Interestring
Neumann: Interesting*
eulerscheZahl: but i know my own completion count
Neumann: So you do look at his score, at least
eulerscheZahl: no
Stanworld: top5 without guessing opponent moves... impressive
struct: STC
eulerscheZahl: i rush to complete the 6th when doing so is a definite loss even
eulerscheZahl: so i know what to improve at least
AbsentMoon: If I want to learn the 6th spell and there is already tax placed under the previous 5 spells, can I learn that 6th spell for free or do I need to place new tax?
struct: no
AbsentMoon: So I need to place new tax?
eulerscheZahl: :100:
AbsentMoon: So just to be clear. You have to place new tax every time you want to learn a spell. Correct?
struct: yes if its above index 0
AbsentMoon: Okay. Thank you.
eulerscheZahl: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711887567590654013/777672969127723008/W5EydYr.png
AbsentMoon: lol
AbsentMoon: Is that normal for you lol
eulerscheZahl: no, someone shared it on discord
AbsentMoon: Oh lol
anoburn: I'm a bit confused. Every time I submit, my bot times out in the first round
anoburn: Following matches work fine (occasional timeout), but first match is ALWAYS a timeout
Stanworld: is there any moment that casting a spell repeatable more 11 times (or more ?) can be valid ?
eulerscheZahl: 5 is the max
Stanworld: ho... i didn'd know that
AbsentMoon: Are all the spell that give resources for no inventory charge non-repeatable?
eulerscheZahl: yes
AbsentMoon: I figured.
struct: My code was bugging everywhere
struct: It breaks if I had 6 recipes instead of 5
struct: add*
xSkyline: the game code including all the possible spells is available on github:
https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
pedrosorio: is there an example on how to use the referee code in github to play the game locally?
MadKnight: u wanna play against whom ?
Neumann: eulerscheZahl: the number of nodes you display is before or after the removal of duplicates ?
pedrosorio: @MadKnight I want to be able to play different versions of my bot against each other
adouz: what time the silver will be open guys?
MadKnight: u probably need to run it from the console
xSkyline: not sure it's worth it to run locally but you can probably do it by reading the documentation
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/game-runner
MadKnight: probably in 2h adouz
adouz: MadKnight thanks
eulerscheZahl: before @Neumann
eulerscheZahl: i know, it's low
MadKnight: pedrosorio don't get your bot overtrained against your strategy making him play worse against other strategies
pedrosorio: @xSkyline thanks for the link!
MadKnight: sometimes it can go a bit weird when your bot will play very well against your previous best but worse against everyone else
anoburn: Yeah yeah Euler, flex with your numbers while I'm stuck at 7000 nodes :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
eulerscheZahl: blaster mentioned 150k
anoburn: woah
eulerscheZahl: and i'm pretty sure Neumann has more than me as well
pedrosorio: thanks for the tip madknight, I understand the issue with overfitting, and while the web interface is nice, I want the ability to iterate and test faster locally
MadKnight: but how are u gonna avoid overfitting ?
pedrosorio: how do you avoid overfitting with the web interface?
MadKnight: by playing against multiple different players
MadKnight: who use different strategies
pedrosorio: manually pick 30 different opponents by hand?
Neumann: eulerscheZahl: Even then it's pretty high for C#
Neumann: How much the typical perf ratio C#/C++ is ?
MadKnight: usually like 10-15 players in range of some rank
pedrosorio: I can do the manual work after iterating locally with 500 automatically generated versions of my own bot with different parameters
MadKnight: that's still the same strategy
MadKnight: it won't generate major differences
eulerscheZahl: used to be factor 2-3 when i converted my UTTT. but now we have release mode and .net core
Neumann: Oh, I though it was higher
eulerscheZahl: i would guess factor 1.5 maybe
MadKnight: but still a lot better than 1 opponent
eulerscheZahl: i mean 0.66 as you asked for C#/C++ not C++/C# :P
Neumann: I have 180/190k simulated moves (that means less nodes since a lot of them are duplicate)
LordSkaven: just realized that in my repeatable cast implemation I always returned 0 times cast amount if it was repeatable lol
eulerscheZahl: my 60k is with duplicates too
eulerscheZahl: so you are higher than me for sure
eulerscheZahl: at least i have a bitboard this time
eulerscheZahl: felt like a must-have
pedrosorio: Madknight, the same code with different parameters (branch factor, heuristic, etc.) can generate wildly different strategies. I am not saying I will iterate locally and then submit the best bot blindly.
I can still do the manual work later, just don't want to do it for every tiny idea I have.
Neumann: Uh ? For inventory ?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Neumann: I don't and don't feel like it's worth the saved memory
eulerscheZahl: it's about speed
MadKnight: yea it might be good enough pedrosorio, try it
eulerscheZahl: except if you have a lookup table for inventory transitions
eulerscheZahl: keeping it as an array and looping was slow for me
eulerscheZahl: and copying the array especially
Neumann: You managed to cast/brew in a single operation with bitboard ? How do you handle negative numbers ?
eulerscheZahl: 2's complement
MadKnight: or u could run it on GPU and get a ton of games running at the same time pedrosorio
pedrosorio: :D
eulerscheZahl: i can cast/brew with a single add, yes. then an AND to remove overflows
Neumann: Hum, will look into that
Counterbalance: you can get far more sims than that
Counterbalance: i'm getting about 40k sims per ms
eulerscheZahl: but you don't use them to your advantage :D
eulerscheZahl: just trolling
Counterbalance: nope, that's the tricky part :)
MadKnight: what exactly are u simming Counterbalance ?
eulerscheZahl: i spent the whole morning refactoring and then it was slower
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
MadKnight: just the spell usage ?
Counterbalance: casting spells and rest
eulerscheZahl: and brewing
kovi: how many spells?
Counterbalance: yeah.. i collect the solutions for the brews
Counterbalance: 14 spells
eulerscheZahl: i don't understand the question
Counterbalance: I have no idea how you'd do a cast/brew with 1 add and 1 and though, that's pure magic
eulerscheZahl: i'll tell you after the contest, that's the only remotely clever thing in my bot :D
Counterbalance: okay :)
darkhorse64: if you have no carry, you can add four chars contained in an int
eulerscheZahl: but we still need a 5th, the total
**eulerscheZahl does that too
eulerscheZahl: and thanks to dreadylein i learned that C# has a PopCount now
Zenoscave: numerics eh?
Zenoscave: dreadylein reached out to you too ;)
eulerscheZahl: :D
Zenoscave: That's 1 of the 2 todos for today
eulerscheZahl: he loves speed tuning with managed code
CommanderCero: Furiosly writing down everything eulerscheZahl mentiones
eulerscheZahl: let me guess: he also told you about vector using AVX behind the scenes?
Zenoscave: ;)
Zenoscave: My biggest bug is switching between different outcomes turn to turn. my search isn't stable
eulerscheZahl: mine is when i set a fixed sim count
Zenoscave: interesting
Zenoscave: I'll have to try that
Zenoscave: but need the big sims first
eulerscheZahl: you are already above toad level, aren't you? :/
eulerscheZahl: i always struggle with these speed contests
Zenoscave: I was earlier.
Zenoscave: No lookup table yet
jacek: good afternoon
jacek: when silver
LordSkaven: like 50 minutes to 2 hours
karliso: There is no brutaltester compatible referee on github?!
JRFerguson: hi all
JRFerguson: anyone has any good tips on how to debug memory access violation errors in c++ ?
JRFerguson: my bot is crushing randomly, aparently due to that
Counterbalance: run offline in valgrind or in an IDE
JRFerguson: when i test locally in visual studio it works just fine
JRFerguson: there must be some difference in memory handling between my local environment and CG
Counterbalance: you could compile with gcc -Wall which prints some warnings that VS does not
JRFerguson: will try that
JRFerguson: thx
JRFerguson: i'm getting this warning
JRFerguson: Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur
JRFerguson: i'm not sure what it means
Jdools05: basically your providing outputs before the game as provided all the inputs
Jdools05: it is not expecting your outputs so you may need to check all your input variables
JRFerguson: did the inputs changed ?
Counterbalance: hm yeah i'm getting crashes in the arena now - unknown spell
JRFerguson: maybe outputs to error console are considered for the warning ?
Counterbalance: maybe your bot crashed before reading all inputs
Jdools05: well there are a lot of inputs to handle. for each action you have: id, type, delta 0-3, price, tome_index, tax, castable, repeatable
Jdools05: and then inventory 0-3 and score for both you and your opponent
Jdools05: id just make sure you are receiving all those inputs before sending an output
Jdools05: @JRFerguson I hope that helped out your issue, otherwise I have no clue
Xmaster6: It's more likely to be performance issue, like if your bot is too slow the output at a given turn will be taken into account only at the next one and thus create dis-synchronization...
Bzn0r-Karloid: could someone confirm that: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7b7aefc3-8523-4bbd-abe4-b0c9890624be
Bzn0r-Karloid: could someone confirm that: swift locally on macos works 10 times faster than on codingame runtime? Did anyone have this kind of issues? or it works fine for everyone else? my local cpu 9700k, same strategy on kotlin shows kind of same performance both for local and codingame run
[K]Gabor: @JRFerguson has it stopped with a timeout? everytime my bot times out, it gives me that warning
mandersn: JRFerguson - Are you trying to do any debugging output? I've seen that error when I accidentally send my debug to STDOUT instead of STDERR.
eulerscheZahl: god dammit. 4 losses in that submit so far. all timeouts
Counterbalance: do you have a list of all spells in your bot, eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: why should i? CG is kind enough to give them to me
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/503280035
that match had some outliners in the timing before
eulerscheZahl: and other 3 are just in the first turn
eulerscheZahl: seems fine offline
eulerscheZahl: *sends to CG IDE*
eulerscheZahl: and wins the game
JBence: same here euler
Westicles: How many spells did they add?
JBence: random timeouts
eulerscheZahl: i had 1 vs you JBence. you are the one who got sent in my IDE
Eclipse_Storm: When does Silver League open?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/503283405
take that, kill in 31 turns :P
ntroPi: Within the next hour
JBence: ouch
JBence: there's plenty of room to improve
VizGhar: holy shit euler take some sleep :D
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/503285880
pb with a timeout too
JBence: so is it not our fault?
eulerscheZahl: unlikely
eulerscheZahl: yes, i did submit a new version with some changes. but that all of us break our bots at the same time?
JRFerguson: euler, you also timeouting in ide some times ?
pb4: New spells
mlomb: ETA till silver open?
eulerscheZahl: didn't test
pb4: I timeout if I don't recognize the spell
eulerscheZahl: oh
Remus_: New spells?
ntroPi: 1h
Icebox: what
pb4: As for "normal" timeouts, I get the 1% of games
Counterbalance: same here, they fixed 1 spell
Icebox: god damn it
JBence: I'm not getting timeouts in IDE with 45ms and getting them in arena with 30ms
Icebox: how many "fixes" are there gonna be
eulerscheZahl: i won't even ask why you hardcoded them. afk
Cappefra: what time is silver opening?
pb4: Couterbalance : only one ?
Majeck: 1 hour I think
pb4: Which one ? I'll just fix it by hand if it's only one
Counterbalance: I've asked on discord, waiting for an answer..
Michael_Howard: We need a dedicated "When does silver open" chat channel
Remus_: deck has not been changed, I wish they'd update that too...
Telokis: An error was reported regardin spell 69 on the forum, it may be that one
tempux: NICE
Csipcsirip: nice idd
Telokis: I don't remember the precise message but the main post states "potion 69 is wrong" under "Current bugs". It may have been fixed, idk
Counterbalance: they said that that one was okay.
I'ts most likely the (-1, 0, -1, 1) that got changed to (-1, -1, 0, 1)
Cappefra: my goood I'm the noobest of all noobs. I was getting timeouts that seemed random af even after dropping the time limit for the main search down do 35 ms and then I saw I was checking for the timer to be == 35 instead of >= 35 :sweat_smile:
VizGhar: :D nice one
Cappefra: running fine with >=48 now :D
kovi: -1, 0, -1, 1
kovi: chat delay sorry
Cappefra: word kovi, word
Beresta: wait a second, so there are only 36 possible brews
ClockSort: Cappafra, >=48ms? What's your secret?
Beresta: each with predefined cost
Cappefra: @Clocksort I don't do almost anything after that algo, a couple quick decision checks that will never take more than 1 ms, then I print the output
Counterbalance: ok +2500 ranks with that spell fix so it seems to be the one
Remus_: maybe, but cost is calculated from the recipe so they could add some more
ClockSort: @cappefra what language?
Cappefra: C#
AbsentMoon: What method are you all using for choosing what potion to make? I am doing it by price, but I am wondering if it would be better to do it in terms of efficiency (rupees/steps)
Cappefra: @ClockSort going by our ranks doesn't seem like you have anything to learn from me though :)
ClockSort: sweet. i iterate over thousands of states afterwards so i'm stopping at 42ms
VizGhar: if you can make cheaper potion by 2 rupees but 1-2 moves sooner, you should pick the cheaper one (if you are looking only for a single brew)
Beresta: well it could lead you to losing game easily, if you are few points away from winning
daffie: finally found the secret sauce
NoobCod3: anybody wanna be friends?
NoobCod3: IM SO LONELY:(
cegprakash: when is silver opening
MattSOrme: sometime in the next hour?
NoobCod3: I have no friends :(
MattSOrme: Its manual. So whenever CG can pick a suitable boss
NoobCod3: :cry:
Stanworld: there is no friends,...only interfaces...
Hamyzo: How many usually go automatically up to the next league when it opens?
MattSOrme: I've heard as many as top 50%. But they've never had this many people in bronze before i dont think lol
Cappefra: @hamyzo usually like 30-40% of bronze but last contest was like 15% because of how crowded it was
Cappefra: this time it's also as crowded iirc
ClockSort: @cappefra how many states do you search in 48ms?
jrke: 200/1800 was in spring challenge silver opening
MattSOrme: we have over 3500 in bronze this time lol
Hamyzo: Hmm so many opinions, guess we'll know when it happens then
Cappefra: @ClockSort that is a really good question! Let me see
MattSOrme: Hopefully top 1200 ;)
VizGhar: Hmm if I know every single possible LEARN, BREW and CAST... I can simply make complete decision tree right? :D
jrke: ok everyone lets make a guesss how many will be automatically promoted to silver
Donotalo: top 50% won't advance to silver, right?
Remus_: 200
ClockSort: you can see my states if you look at my bot, it's simple bfs
Donotalo: top X% will advance, what's X?
MattSOrme: 200 is too aggressive. Bots at that level are too good for bronze
jrke: in think 12-18%
Remus_: DEFAULT would stay in Bronze right?
Telokis: Is the boss picked from one of the contestants? Or is it handcrafted by CG?
jrke: defaulr will be replaced by boss
MattSOrme: picked from contestants, and maybe tweaked
Westicles: I think I will be boss. Nice and deterministic, around 500
jrke: telokis one of contestants
Remus_: I hope it won't get much stronger then :D
Telokis: Thanks, that's an interesting way of doing it
DeWitt: hm, is the repeatability of the same potions always the same?
MattSOrme: yes. Only learned tomes with a cost are repeatable
jrke: why i made a resubmit :(
eulerscheZahl: why not?
Remus_: Will they change the bot's though? If bot from like 1000th place becomes the Boss, in a few days lot's of people will get past again if it stays the same
DeWitt: wdym by learned?
DeWitt: i mean, is the spell +2 0 0 0 always not repeatable?
MattSOrme: @Remus_ thats kinda the point?
Remus_: I don't think it is, but this is my first challenge so idk
eulerscheZahl: they'll just bot another boss above on wednesday
eulerscheZahl: and one more on friday
MattSOrme: bronze boss isn't meant to be gold boss lol. Can't just go straight to a top bot
rmuskovets: well in bronze rules they say this is the final (no more rule unlocks)
rmuskovets: so maybe "just go straight to a top bot" is possible
eulerscheZahl: just harder bosses
Q12: If my rank is 700 what is the chance I will be in silver? should I risk submit my new bot with the hope he will be better than my current bot?
reCurse: Fairly high but no one knows
Cappefra: I think 700 is a good chance of being promoted
Q12: ok thanks
Q12: I hope my rank will be enough for silver :slight_smile:
AbsentMoon: The game ends after 6 potions. If I were to speed brew 6 potions that are cheap, if my score is higher than my opponents score I would win. Would this be a viable strategy or would it barely ever work?
Cappefra: it doesn't matter anyways if you submit or not, if you revert to a bot that would have been promoted to silver directly, that bot will be able to beat the bronze boss
Remus_: It's not a problem if we don't get it now. At least we will know that to beat
Cappefra: @AbsentMoon it can be viable maybe after 3 or 4 good value potions, if you brew 5 very cheap ones just to be fast there's a good change your opponent will be able to brew 3 good value ones and still have you beat
AbsentMoon: I figured lol. I might try a variation of it later.
AbsentMoon: This is probably a silly question, but are the prices for each potion always the same (not including bonuses).
Remus_: yes
BoBot: damn, this discussion made me realize you do not win just by getting to 6 potions faster - I thought speed vs rupees were 2 different strategies...
rmuskovets: how to run this challenge offline?
daffie: rates are not necessarily the same if you factor in the number of turns spent on casting
BoBot: @AbsentMoon all spells are listed here I think:
https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
ayoubyt: 1337
NoobCod3: anybody wanna be my friend?
jrke: 1337?
eulerscheZahl: leet
Neteroo: 0k3y
Myrky: Should I be proud that my solution got 100% or ashamed that is not optimal?
AntonCosmin: I wanna be your friend NoobCod3
Zenoscave: no silver yet? I thought it would be ready by now
linjoehan: I won't make it to silver yet anyway I'm just gonna stay down here maybe then the boss might be an easier one?
ErikBrendel: yeah I am also wondering when the silver league comes...
Cappefra: I hate this... I make a change that wins like 90% against my own submitted bot, I submit and I lose 450 positions
Cappefra: wtf
Beresta: thats overfitting to one specific opponent
Cappefra: yeah...
jrke: Cappefra randomness and winning against one doesn't mean a better bot
Cappefra: learning the hard lesson
Counterbalance: also the leaderboard gets more volatile further down.. if you have timeouts, it's basically impossible to tell anything
LordSkaven: can you be demoted from league? Like from silver to bronze?
arkwaw: no
Remus_: yey
linjoehan: maybe that should be a thing though
DomiKo: here we go
tempux: PogChamp silver coming soon
Stanworld: :)
Icebox: jesus no linjoehan, imagine you submit a code with a typo that times out and doesn't compile just to drop a league
Icebox: I don't think you want that
Zenoscave: Yeah I'd be furious if I had to do gold to legend twice in UTTT
eulerscheZahl: bossyboss where are you?
Zenoscave: I got the silver soon notificatin
eulerscheZahl: 1.5k
other bets?
ntroPi: But having the previous league bosses in the higher leagues would be fun as a comparison point.
Icebox: 1.2k
Zenoscave: 1.35k
ntroPi: 900
Zenoscave: I averaged
Michael_Howard: 228 (I'm at 229)
Samer: is it possible in a game to see a tome spell that's not in the deck??
Zenoscave: silver opening is never that restrictive
Zenoscave: Samer no the tome's are detirministic
RockyMullet: oh
RockyMullet: silver
CommanderCero: silver boys
DaNinja: ding
qsantos: 867
allahoAkbar: oh yeah
Beresta: 867
Icebox: 867
ClockSort: woot i'm in silver
struct: Nice no resubmit
Icebox: ntroPi wons
Nerchio: i made it
struct: so it saves server
RockyMullet: yeah, a couple will drift for sure
DomiKo: no resbmit?
DomiKo: nice save CG
Michael_Howard: :second_place:
Remus_: so about 800 was the cut
LordSkaven: yippe I am in silver!
Nerchio: so who was 868 before resubmit = boss? :D
linjoehan: goodbye my friends I will see you there later I hope :tired_face:
ErikBrendel: "woot i'm in silver" - yes, feeling the same over here :D
Cappefra: fuuuuuuuck I was 750 before my shitty resubmit
_martynas: Is there anything new in silver league?
Michael_Howard: Wow only 867
RockyMullet: oh they made it so we dont resubmit, good idea tbh
DeWitt: Players gain 1 rupee for each tier-1 ingredient or higher in their inventory.
ntroPi: IceBox thx, yay. :-)
Zenoscave: _martynas no
xSkyline: are there no actual game changes in Silver ?
linjoehan: DeWitt that's at the end of the game I think
Donotalo: 867 people in siler
RockyMullet: Michael_Howard it's pretty likely a lot of people will drift or pass with a resubmit, I'm getting it will climb to at less 1200 soon
DomiKo: in bronze there are final rules
DomiKo: no new rules in silver
RockyMullet: xSkyline no, just bigger boi league
Zenoscave: xSkyline the only thing that changes in silver is the opponent meta ;)
DerthekNagra: when will gold come out? :D
xSkyline: thanks guys
RockyMullet: 2 days from now
Icebox: in 2 days exactly DerthekNagra
pb4: Was the a recompute in Silver ?
DerthekNagra: ty
struct: no pb4
pb4: was there*
Icebox: no pb4
Zenoscave: nope
Zenoscave: pb4
DeWitt: nope
pb4: Ok
Zenoscave: lol everyone all together now
RockyMullet: let those poor servers breath
xSkyline: my first coding game, I'm 460ish
Icebox: chat gigga laggy for me Zenoscave
Remus_: VincentBab is the boss
Zenoscave: same
Zenoscave: Seriously remus? He was 6th yesterday
VincentBab: lool
Zenoscave: VincentBab what happened?
VincentBab: i dont know :/
i was in the top#10 and was not promoted directly lol
Zenoscave: ouch
MadKnight: VincentBab were u submitting ?
wlesavo: VincentBab probably was computing
MadKnight: was it not 100% ?
VincentBab: nope, last submit this morning
MadKnight: random bug
ntroPi: more coming in, almost at 1k now
MadKnight: hey Zenoscave how's your search ?
Zenoscave: Pretty good. slow but steady
Zenoscave: Hey MK
RockyMullet: already at 981, didnt take long
DerthekNagra: is it possible to have a thread calculating stuff outside of the game loop here?
pedrosorio: what's the point of the leagues if the rules remain the same?
RockyMullet: no
raymoo: in two more days
raymoo: oh I was scrolled up
RockyMullet: no multithreading
kovi: no recalc just warp?
DerthekNagra: ty
spaceorc: Why list of available spells is changing in repo? When it will stabilize? I encode spell as index from that list!
Icebox: pedrosorio clear tracking of progress
RockyMullet: my guess would be that they already use their threads to run multiple games at the same time
Grudo: how doeas this new rule works? I don't see a difference
BrunoFelthes: @DerthekNagra you can use multi thread, but you have only one proecessor
RockyMullet: Grudo no new rules, just harder opponents
Icebox: just cause you remain 10th doesn't mean that your bot didn't improve pedrosorio, everyone is improving their bots so you might not feel like progressing. if you have a bot above you though, you can always clearly see if you're performing better or not because the bot doesn't improve
Grudo: RockyMullet "Players gain 1 rupee for each tier-1 ingredient or higher in their inventory."
Icebox: this was always the case Grudo
Zenoscave: Grudo that was already a rule
RockyMullet: thats not new
Grudo: oh so i missed it :F
pedrosorio: @icebox makes sense - how can you tell who is the boss in the bronze league?
RockyMullet: but to answer the question, at the end of the game, you get one point for all ingredients except the blue ones, in your inventory
Redstrike: @spaceorc thanks for pointing that out. I was really confused why I get errors now
RockyMullet: pedrosorio we can guess :P
Icebox: well the boss bot is the bot ranked at #1
RockyMullet: generally with what language, who was around that position, sometimes algos are easy to compare too
Icebox: because everyone above him get instantly promoted
dauom: I've seen in Bronze that "all rules unlocked", does that mean from that point onward nothing will change, only how strong your bot?
RockyMullet: dauom exactly
dauom: from that league onward*
dauom: Thanks
RockyMullet: so you dont have to deal with thousands of bots, crushing most of them
spaceorc: hm, not only tome spells, but delivery spells are also different!
RockyMullet: so you can tweak you bot to deal with better opponents
RockyMullet: also no as long to submit
Remus_: why does this happen to me lol
https://www.codingame.com/replay/503356206
LordSkaven: lol
RockyMullet: hum seems like my old replay is broken
Remus_: no possible actions left I think
RockyMullet: they must have changed something
reCurse: They changed (fixed) a spell
reCurse: Broke all old replays
reCurse: And a few bots
RockyMullet: kk makes sense
RockyMullet: what spell btw ?
RockyMullet: what was wrong with it
RockyMullet: kind of wanna know if it breaks my bot :P
Redstrike: from
new Recipe(-1, 0, -1, 1)
to
new Recipe(-1, -1, 0, 1)
RockyMullet: oh they just tweaked the values
RockyMullet: tnx
jacek: w00t? im silver
RockyMullet: wow I never add rupees in my sim...
RockyMullet: I was wondering why my sim would always give me 0 rupee
AntiSquid: always feels strange to see recurze in chat but not on the LB, Automaton2000 how do you feel about it?
Automaton2000: but there are many ways to do so
jacek: LB?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/profile/8374201b6f1d19eb99d61c80351465b65150051
i have a badge now :D
jacek: AutomatonNN what is LB?
AutomatonNN: go there to make a general problem
jacek: thats only participation badge
jacek: nothing to brag about
RockyMullet: whats that project euler thing ?
reCurse: leaderboard I guess
eulerscheZahl: project euler = maths puzzles
AntiSquid: ^ yes
RockyMullet: well I dont have one :'(
reCurse: fwiw I was active in chat in previous contests I didn't participate in
reCurse: That's when it's the most interesting to be around so
AntiSquid: what do i need to do to get the participation badge
RockyMullet: I want to be "special" too
AntiSquid: as i said, it always feels strange, not just this time :P
eulerscheZahl: open your email client AntiSquid
reCurse: Ahh ok
eulerscheZahl: and poor reCurse has no badge now?
reCurse: That's um...
aCat: why this badge has nothing in common with the contest?
reCurse: eh, when you have nothing nice to say...
aCat: there is some other fall challenge this cat known nothing about?
RockyMullet: see what those badges are doing !?!?!?!
eulerscheZahl: the fall down the stairs challenge?
Astrobytes: there are only Spring and Fall challenges now I guess
AntiSquid: i find the badge is a bit huge, imagine having one for each contest
reCurse: Imagine having a badge for clicking a button
reCurse: Damnit
eulerscheZahl: or "certificates"
AntiSquid: i submitted a basic bot too !
jacek: or quests in quest map
RockyMullet: I guess I'm too dumb to click that button, still dont have it lol
AntiSquid: disqualified !
eulerscheZahl: didn't you get an email?
RockyMullet: yah
Q12: Why can't I put the image of the budget in my profile?
Astrobytes: You overspent :P
Astrobytes: (sorry)
MeSeet: what are the requirement to pass to the next league (I'm wood 1 but I do not go to the next one even tho I win more than 95% of my fights
Astrobytes: badge, not budget Q12 ;)
rmuskovets: MeSeet you need to be above the boss of your league
Q12: my mistake :joy:
Astrobytes: :D
AntiSquid: i don't see the badge on my profile though
Q12: at least I got into silver, that the only thing I matter :grinning:
AntiSquid: and i clicked the bloody link
MeSeet: hum, for a while I was above (3 position, but also nothing, I have to stay there for a long time?
Q12: *that
RockyMullet: I guess euler is the only who participates
eulerscheZahl: just enter this to insert it q12
RockyMullet: Am I even real ?
Quidome: MeSeet, you have to be above the boss after total recompute
MeSeet: ahhhhh ok... I see :) I need to be patient and wait then. Thanks for info Quidome
RockyMullet: oh im specila now !!!
dbf: silver league was without resubmit?
eulerscheZahl: yes
dbf: cool
Q12: Thanks eulerscheZahl, it worked
RockyMullet: eulerscheZahl I though it was a new feature. You were trolling us lol
eulerscheZahl: ? i just inserted the image from the email they sent us
eulerscheZahl: no trolling intended
RockyMullet: yeah I just misunderstood
eulerscheZahl: that's a wide badge q12 :D
Q12: refresh the page :joy:
eulerscheZahl: better
SinOfWrath: First time I got auto promoted on league opening. Was worth being up until 2am over the weekend. :D
struct: Maybe thats what Im missing
AntiSquid: damn it still not there :/
eulerscheZahl: where?
AntiSquid: on my profile
Earthborne: Will taxCount >= tomeIndex if enough tax-ahead is paid?
reCurse: Very successful troll
eulerscheZahl: thanks :)
struct: Are the avatars in chat not loading for anyone else?
RockyMullet: my sim still not brewing a single potion lol
https://www.codingame.com/replay/503380569
lowzhao: if you submit in silver will you go down to bronze?
struct: no
lowzhao: ok thanks!
sadakatsu: I tried implementing a simulation yesterday. It times out every time. Are there any general tips on how to search the move space quicker than BFS since that is apparently doomed to fail?
RockyMullet: well you gotta have a time check to stop before you time out
lowzhao: not really you should have got something able to brew before you fail.
**Astrobytes makes a mental note to never use a timer again
sadakatsu: I have not been able to figure out a distance heuristic to potions, so I haven't been able to figure out a way to estimate an action's value unless the search stumbles upon a brew action : /
RockyMullet: well you gotta stop so you can output something...
Earthborne: Why Astrobytes?
Astrobytes: Earthborne, see the comment(s) just before mine
Earthborne: Oh, heh, sry
Astrobytes: :)
raymoo: is there a reference for what compiler flags are used for a particular language
BrunoFelthes: run a ps - ef than you can see it
AntiSquid: lol thought i had to resub for the stupid badge, forgot i need to edit that shit -.-
Earthborne: I didn't really catch what's wrong with timer though
raymoo: thanks bruno
AntiSquid: then i'll add a better badge
ProMikeSundays: do you have tips for getting to the solution faster
Eclipse_Storm: Oh no new rules in Silver?
Earthborne: Helped me search further without timing out (no matter the processing power I get)
sadakatsu: listening intently
kreska: i dont see anything new
Astrobytes: was a joke Earthborne, the previous guy said "not really ... " after Rocky suggested the timer
kreska: it should be in green right?
Earthborne: oh.. right
sadakatsu: The code repo and the E-mail that was sent out say that Bronze and up use the same rules.
RockyMullet: finally ! my sim outputing potions
https://www.codingame.com/replay/503392186
RockyMullet: it still lose to my old bot, most likely because I dont handle multicast yet
eulerscheZahl: you learn a lot
lowzhao: how to compete with yourself?
tobk: somehow the Kotlin language assist is not consistent with the installed version of Kotlin itself...
eulerscheZahl: delete the default
eulerscheZahl: then add someone else
eulerscheZahl: tobk => forum or discord bugs channel
lowzhao: oh thank you for the tips!
raymoo: @BrunoFelthes this just gives me the flags for the running program, am I doing this right?
raymoo: I am trying to get the compiler flags
eulerscheZahl: and give a minimum example where it's wrong maybe
kreska: RockyMullet how do you do it? is there a way to play on site with different versions of your own bot?
RockyMullet: you can play against your submitted bot
RockyMullet: on the bottom there's "IDE CODE" then another player
RockyMullet: press delete on the other player
RockyMullet: then the +
RockyMullet: you can pick yourself "arena code"
kreska: RockyMullet and when i delete default bot will i be able to pick it again?
RockyMullet: yes
LordSkaven: yes
RockyMullet: you can after rpess on a + sign and you'll have a picker with all available bots
raymoo: Anyone else have any suggestions on how I might know what flags are given to the compiler
RockyMullet: I'd say the forum is your best bet raymoo
raymoo: ok, thanks
RockyMullet: https://www.codingame.com/forum
kreska: RockyMullet thanks for info i appreciate it!
jacek: so for bronze bot they chose 1000nd player?
jacek: boss*
sadakatsu: I removed learning from my bot's options, and the sims are fast enough now orz
sadakatsu: I don't win, but I can compete.
CodingCarter: What bot game are you playing @sadakatsu ?
sadakatsu: The Fall Challenge 2020.
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/contests/fall-challenge-2020
sadakatsu: LEARN is an action. I dropped that from the choices I search, and now my bot finds a path to a potion within 50 ms.
CodingCarter: Thanks for the link astro and thanks for ref sadakatsu
Astrobytes: np :+1:
sadakatsu: Is the same seed being used across these battles? My replays are showing the same matches repeatedly when I replay opponents.
struct: if you press replay in same conditions it will repeat the same seed
sadakatsu: I clicked "Test in Arena". I'm seeing identical matches over and over.
struct: press options
struct: and check if seed is not manual
eulerscheZahl: he's talking about the lat battles viewer
Grudo: these are replays
eulerscheZahl: showing the same few while not showing others
eulerscheZahl: i know that, annoys me too every time
struct: seeds are repeating on battles that often?
sadakatsu: No, what I mean is, if I play multiple games against opponent A, it's the same game every time.
Grudo: for me it's not the same
struct: sorry, I missunderstood
eulerscheZahl: just a bad selection of which battles of your last submit to randomly show
meh1001: I noticed it would get out of sync somehow and repeat like that if you mess with the viewing controls
sadakatsu: Ah, I thought it iterated through all of them.
meh1001: like if you make it show one of the earlier battles I coulnd't figure out how to make it start again with the current ones
goolmoos: I put an debug print saying "lol" when a certain something that I expected now to happen, happens. Now I realize it activates exactly when my opponent gets himself stuck at the end of game(Eg inventory 0,0,0,9). So it appears that I accidently programed my bot to laugh at the other bot if he is stuck at the end of the game.
goolmoos: *expect not to happen
AntiSquid: there, 2 badges for same contest, well deserved
sadakatsu: @goolmoos That is awesome and awful at the same time.
raymoo: I've noticed that the final score display often adds a few points to one or both players compared to the rupee display in-game, is this one of the visual glitches people talk about?
sadakatsu: No, that's part of the rules.
raymoo: or is there some kind of bonus applied at the end that I missed
goolmoos: @raymoo it is not
sadakatsu: Tier 2 and up ingredients are worth 1 point each.
goolmoos: you get one point for each ingredient (apart from tier0)
raymoo: oh, I see
raymoo: thank you
lowzhao: Can I assume spell's action id is different from brew's action id?
sadakatsu: (look at this bottom-of-bronze guy acting like he knows anything XD)
goolmoos: @lowzhao yes. id is unique
lowzhao: @goolmoos
lowzhao: thanks!
adouz: can anyone tell me a way to count the moves of casting to brew a potion?any idea plz?
sadakatsu: I'm using what is effectively a BFS right now ^_^;
rmuskovets: do a DFS traversal
adouz: i have never used bfs or dfs but I will try
sadakatsu: Breadth-First Search and Depth-First Search are graph traversal algorithms.
sadakatsu: The first iterates over the vertices using a queue, the other using a stack.
kreska: adouz when you do a bfs then mantain parent array of every node and when algo finds an answer traverse back the parent array and count the moves this way
AntiSquid: it's too hard, best to give up before you start
Q12: wow, I made it from 650 to 326 with my new bot!!!! :grinning:
adouz: ok thanks guys
kreska: wow good job
AntiSquid: :clap::clap_tone1::clap_tone2::clap_tone3::clap_tone4::clap_tone5:
kreska: so your new bot is two time better
adouz: AntiSquid i will try anyway cuz am learnnig
AntiSquid: was a joke
adouz: ok
phord: Nice job, Q12!
AntiSquid: you're not supposed to give up, the site moto is: No sleep till Legend
sadakatsu: Yeah, that came across pretty meanly : /
Q12: > kreska I wouldn't say it you:sweat_smile:
Q12: Thank you :smiley:
NinjaDoggy: no sleep till legend indeed :)
NinjaDoggy: after you hit legend it's no sleep till top 20 :)
sadakatsu: I don't think I've ever done better than Silver : /
Q12: this is the moto NinjaDoggy
AntiSquid: it's also custom to ask the others "Hey <insert_name>, when 1st?"
Cristinel: who is better? Kotake or Koume?
jacek: yes
struct: who are those?
tomatoes: witches
Cristinel: those 2 witches
AntiSquid: oh god, thought you were talking about some anime characters .
v1993: Twinrova is
Scarfield: which witch is which?
Astrobytes: Zelda, Ocarina of Time etc etc
jacek: celestia or luna?
jacek: i think i have some idea for next contest
RockyMullet: art is better than pretty much all the previous contest imo
jacek: did they pay $$$ for license?
Astrobytes: yeah, it's visually brilliant
Cristinel: I wonder how the soup tastes at the end after 6 brews
AntiSquid: https://kamisamahajimemashita.fandom.com/wiki/Kotake
https://usamin.info/idols/view/Koume_Shirasaka
jacek: that reminds me of some bartender game
jacek: when you mix drinks and give to customers
tomatoes: valhalla
jacek: something older
jacek: from 90s or early 00s
NoobCod3: I want somebody to be my friends because I have none :(
LordSkaven: I am sure if you ask another 100 times it will work
AntiSquid: no, just 99 times, since you already asked once
Cristinel: Does anybody here also have a day job?
Astrobytes: Ofc
casmith789: ofc lol
NoobCod3: Can somebody be my friend(s)?
Edrevan: Most people here are not students
AntiSquid: i think this is the worst time to ask this when most people work from hom lol Cristinel
Cristinel: how do you make time for both
AntiSquid: also some have holiday
Xenoid: 8 hrs work, 12 hrs contest, 4 hrs sleep
AntiSquid: also maybe some work night shift
Xenoid: or something
Edrevan: Cristinel look for the "useful resources" page for codingame contests. On it you'll find Bob's excellent article about reaching legends in less than 10 hours of code
Edrevan: TL;DR : it's about being smart and efficient (which is harder said than done...)
Edrevan: easier*
Cristinel: I wanted to take a some days off for enjoing the contest
dbf: wise decision!
AntiSquid: Edrevan imo times changed since the and competition gets harder each time :P
NoobCod3: im eating a salad
NoobCod3: lol
Skynse: yummy
NoobCod3: I know I also have ranch
Skynse: I haven't had a salad in such a long time
Edrevan: True ! It could be interesting to have a "time efficiency" survey or something. Ask everyone how much time they spent on the contest, compare to their rating
NoobCod3: @Skynse since how long?
Skynse: like 2 years
Skynse: could be less
NoobCod3: dayum
Cristinel: I always do Bob's approach, I never got in Legend yet
NoobCod3: you should get one lol
Skynse: I eat healthy foods and all, I just haven't had a salad
Skynse: mmmm, that crunch
Cappefra: how does the AI work btw? does it get better with time until the opening of the next league?
Edrevan: TBH this contest and the previous one weren't a good match for it
NoobCod3: thats good that you eat healthy foods
NoobCod3: there's also chicken in there
NoobCod3: coding has made my typing speed much faster
Skynse: Yeah I eat meat to :stuck_out_tongue:
Skynse: wrong emoji
NoobCod3: :thumbsup:
Edrevan: Cappefra when the boss is not available they just put the "Default" one, whichever league it is.
Cristinel: Cappefra what bot?
AntiSquid: were you here during ocean of code ? Edrevan
NoobCod3: @Skynse wanna be friends?
Skynse: sure
NoobCod3: ok
Jdools05: Hey world, my code doesnt save when I leave the page for the fall challenge, any idea why?
NoobCod3: I finally have a friend
Cristinel: NoobCod3, I'm also available
NoobCod3: I don't @Jdools05
NoobCod3: absolutely no idea
NoobCod3: @Cristinel wanna be friends?
Cristinel: sure
Edrevan: AntiSquid yeah, didn't have much luck with it ^^ Never could get my triangulation code to work, and I suck at "longest paths" type problems
NoobCod3: :)
jacek: Jdools05 you have to run code at least once
NoobCod3: true
Edrevan: but it was really fun
AntiSquid: Jdools05 not sure what you mean but you could just click this : https://www.codingame.com/
AntiSquid: it takes you to home page :P
NoobCod3: IoI
winston444: hello noobs
NoobCod3: hello
NoobCod3: and I am a noob
NoobCod3: its the truth
winston444: hhh me too
NoobCod3: oh
Skynse: I've been programming for a while
NoobCod3: i thought you were a pro
Skynse: It becomes easier over time
winston444: nice
NoobCod3: @Skynse can you teach me python?
Skynse: I used to think I sucked at python....until I started making stuff
jacek: good you didnt suck pythons :v
NoobCod3: im just learning python I need somebody to teach me
AntiSquid: wtf man, jacek
NoobCod3: oof
AntiSquid: gross
NoobCod3: brb
AntiSquid: off
winston444: im pro in algorithme :blush:
NoobCod3: noice
struct: :hammer:
Cristinel: NoobCod3 did you enter this Fall contest?
NoobCod3: yea
Skynse: A lot of people always ask other people to teach them how to program, here's what I did. I learned the syntax of the language, then I did research on basic data structures and programming logic (if statements, else statements etc). After a while, I decided to learn object oriented programming and classes (that helped a lot). My first actual program was a quadratic equation solver
NoobCod3: but i suck at coding
Glitch-_-: yo
Skynse: Start making stuff
NoobCod3: that's why I need somebody to teach me python
Glitch-_-: how life
NoobCod3: and I don't know python that much
Skynse: Start with the basics by learning functions
Glitch-_-: no
Glitch-_-: he is wrong
AntiSquid: no hammer please struct
NoobCod3: -_-
Glitch-_-: lol
NoobCod3: im tired
Cristinel: do you know other programing language or programing expirience?
Glitch-_-: help
winston444: you can learn on youtube
NoobCod3: JAva
NoobCod3: Java
Skynse: C, C++ and Java, but C is a brain twister
NoobCod3: I know this code for Java
Skynse: I prefer to use C++ for anything that doesn't work super closely with hardware (drivers etc)
NoobCod3: system.out.print("Hello Java")
Its bad tho
AntiSquid: did you know your submit finished faster when you type in chat ?
AntiSquid: finishes *
Skynse: what submission?
NoobCod3: yea what submission
NoobCod3: i might stream on twitch for CodinGame
Cristinel: NoobCod3 where did you get stuck ?
NoobCod3: LOL but I suck at coding
NoobCod3: @Cristinel what?
AntiSquid: hard audience
Cristinel: you said you need help with python
jacek: thats what she said
NoobCod3: HOW DARE YOU Just kidding
NoobCod3: hahahahhahahahahhaha
LordSkaven: AntiSquid, euler already did the troll of the day.
Cristinel: NoobCod3 about page:
Cristinel: About
I NEED HELP WITH PYTHON!
Cristinel: :))
NoobCod3: @everybody if any of you wanna watch my stream on twitch (even if i do it) search monsterlovegames
NoobCod3: @Cristinel I do need help with coding
NoobCod3: python
AntiSquid: ok, but i am here to chat @_@ if i may LordSkaven
NoobCod3: I'm home alone:grimacing:
NoobCod3: JK
nvergnac: Anyone knows how i can switch league in the challenge ? I've met the requirements to get to the next league but it doesnt seems to work
NoobCod3: nobody's talking :(
Cristinel: just wait a bit
NoobCod3: Im looking at your profile @Cristinel
AntiSquid: i don't have permission to, NoobCod3
Cristinel: nice
Glitch-_-: Hi
Glitch-_-: I like your cut g
NoobCod3: @AntiSquid don't have permission to what?
NoobCod3: '_'
MoMaT: nvergnac, you need to wait for all the battles to finish. and *then* be higher than boss.
nvergnac: oh ok so it takes almost an hour
NoobCod3: do any of you have discord?
Glitch-_-: hi
Glitch-_-: hi
Glitch-_-: you guys at school
nvergnac: @Momat, thanks
Glitch-_-: yes or no
NoobCod3: yes
Glitch-_-: what school
NoobCod3: umm
NoobCod3: bilingual
NoobCod3: schoo
NoobCod3: l
Glitch-_-: where is that
AntiSquid: school of life
NoobCod3: BW
NoobCod3: I wonder if there is any coding schools because if there is than I would want to go to one
MoMaT: yeah in bronze, with this many people, the battles will be slow. but you will get there eventually :)
NoobCod3: LOL]
NoobCod3: uno dos tres cuatro tacos
Glitch-_-: si
struct: Try again
Glitch-_-: si
Glitch-_-: yes
Glitch-_-: yes
NoobCod3: don't forget the rice and beans on the plato
struct: ok, stop flooding chat
NoobCod3: boy you don't know spanish
Glitch-_-: f
AntiSquid: Glitch-_- dude .
Glitch-_-: f
Glitch-_-: f
AntiSquid: press F to pay respect ?
NoobCod3: Guys Ima stream in a bit follow me on twitch: monsterlovegames
Glitch-_-: ok
Glitch-_-: what do you stream
NoobCod3: typing
Glitch-_-: bru
NoobCod3: and coding sometimes
NoobCod3: just my hands
Glitch-_-: nahh I am not watching you
NoobCod3: like the keyboard
NoobCod3: your bully
Glitch-_-: no
Glitch-_-: I am not
AntiSquid: bullies don't have an avatar so ...
NoobCod3: true @AntiSquid
MoMaT: AntiSquid, what are your thought about this contest?
AntiSquid: any particular aspect you want me to talk about?
MoMaT: You have some experience in making one with the MOBA-like one, which was very original.
MoMaT: Does it ignite you with joy?
MoMaT: I mean, is it doll, or run of a mill, nothing special, another optimisation fest...
MoMaT: *cool
NoobCod3: he's not answering
NoobCod3: guys what's the time zone for you
AntiSquid: i don't like the graphics, apart from that i like that it's unique, def optimization fest later on (imo), i don't have time for it
struct: I think the game is good
phord: PST here
struct: But I'm bad at it
NoobCod3: what time
AntiSquid: how do you feel about it momat ?
MoMaT: The witches look great, I give you that. The visualisation of moves not so much. You can't step through and see deliveries for example.
AntiSquid: not sure why my experience for the contest creation matters though, this one is clearly better advertised :P
AntiSquid: most popular contest so far 5k before half the contest .
MoMaT: For me there is almost nothing to mess with in your opponents play. No sneaky "place the mines at the baseline" thing...
NoobCod3: mine is 12:21
MoMaT: I meant that as a maker of one, you faced the problem of balancing different aspects of the contest.
AntiSquid: you can try to deny useful spells for the opponent no?
eulerscheZahl: " def optimization fest later on (imo)"
we are already into the CPU masterrace
AntiSquid: and then you can try to steal brews (bit difficult)
sadakatsu: Well! My dropping of LEARN as an option bumped me up more than 1200 places in Bronze.
MoMaT: Which I'm not sure this one is doing so well...
AntiSquid: i mean to progress to next league euler
AntiSquid: i have 3 ifs and 10 commented lines of ruby code, so ...
NoobCod3: I'm watching TV and chatting LOL
eulerscheZahl: legend in python? i laugh at you
Icebox: come at me
Icebox: I'll clap u
NoobCod3: OOf
Icebox: noone talks smack about python and gets away with it
NoobCod3: I guess that's true
Icebox: except maybe this contest cause my C++ code does in 4ms what my python code did in 800ms
Icebox: :eyes:
sadakatsu: There's no smack about Python that Python does not make self-evident ; )
AntiSquid: there's not much to balance here MoMaT
MoMaT: I don't think you can really mess with spells so much, it's too costly. If it was turn-based, and the spell goes to one player only, that would be different.
NoobCod3: don't make the argument (even if it is) violent
AntiSquid: not sure how much this matches the original board game they ported
AntiSquid: people try to steal 0 cost spells MoMaT
MoMaT: It's the same, just simultanous turns.
wlesavo: get in legend -> submit in python -> easy first language
Cristinel: how Catan board game will work as a future contest?
Icebox: wlesavo shhhh
AntiSquid: there are 7 D users eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: i want 7k users
MoMaT: when I say balance, I meant the algorithmic efficiency vs. the strategic depth.
wlesavo: but im facinated by this guys in top30 with python
AntiSquid: just algo . optimize the search . that's all i can see MoMaT
MoMaT: most fun contests are those in which people come up with different ideas and you need to counter them in your play.
eulerscheZahl: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CodinGame&type=revision&diff=988966878&oldid=978610386
eulerscheZahl: someone edited the CG wikipage today
MichaelPu: wlesavo, your'e gonna have a tough fight for first in python :)
eulerscheZahl: but didn't add typescript
NoobCod3: join the CLASH OF CODE RN
AbundantPuddle: You didn't aske me to Euler. xp
eulerscheZahl: :D
NoobCod3: I joined
Uljahn: MichaelPu: waiting for your postmortem
kovi: nice submit euler
MichaelPu: :) ty
RockyMullet: nice gj
RockyMullet: showing those C++ scrubs the power of C#
MoMaT: AntiSquid, there is one difference with the board game. universal upgrade spells. any items could be levelled up.
MoMaT: here it's always specific input and output.
wlesavo: MichaelPu nah im not sure ill even get in legend, this plan wont work for me :smiley: but yeah, i hope there will be pms from top pythons
eulerscheZahl: partial opponent analysis now :)
AntiSquid: would those upgrades make this game more like code 4 life?
struct: show mercy euler
eulerscheZahl: pb still the best (crashing on 1 spell)
NoobCod3: I did the CLASH OF CODe
wlesavo: oh, pb have a broken bot in arena?
MoMaT: I haven't played C4L, but it's perhaps easier to have it generic, when played with a human brain :)
LordSkaven: Top 300, yeah boy
wlesavo: some how it always crashes when i try to play him
eulerscheZahl: yes, a referee update makes him lose some games
Soulee: Hello!
what I have to do when OPPONENT_CAST ?
wlesavo: oh i see
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/503469099
AntiSquid: nothing Soulee
AbundantPuddle: TypeScript was added to the Wiki page. I hope this pleases the almighty Euler.
eulerscheZahl: blue+green=yellow makes him crash
RockyMullet: Soulee it's only to tell you what spell the enemy learned, in case you wanna do some prediction
lNitsua: my first thought when I saw opponent_cast was that you could cast spells on your opponent
Cristinel: same here
lNitsua: would be a neat, but very difficult addition
rwilson: they're more interesting in terms of figuring out what you opponent COULD do ( i.e. their shortest spell path to a set of resources is 3 turns, but yours is 2, then you can beat them to brewing that potion )
Soulee: Thnx!
Soulee: so I print wait?
NinjaDoggy: REWRITE COMPLETE! TOP 10 HERE WE COME!
RockyMullet: NinjaDoggy do it
CommanderCero: DESTROY THEM
zahariaca: F
HackingHues: any difference between bronze and silver... or do I have to read lol
Illedan: NinjaDoggy, you can't get top 10 with that 1 lose failure :P
NinjaDoggy: ;(
NinjaDoggy: i got blocked
NinjaDoggy: down to resubmit
eulerscheZahl: what's that ille?
CommanderCero: resubmit until you get top 10
AntiSquid: HackingHues your opponents are now harder
rwilson: HackingHues - bronze description claims "All the rules are now unlocked!"
NinjaDoggy: opponent sim is next on the board i guess
HackingHues: thx :)
MoMaT: hmmm... lNitsua, I like this idea. casting a "messing spell", for some high cost would be nice...
wlesavo: euler did referee update conserned only spells?
eulerscheZahl: and viewer, warning messages
wlesavo: oh i see thx
MoMaT: wlesavo, there are now proper commits in GH repo, so you can track it there directly
eulerscheZahl: the first update was an amend, not sure why
eulerscheZahl: maybe to hide the boss code?
MoMaT: like that would make any difference :) look at the numbers in bronze...
eulerscheZahl: i think bob submitted the default AI (not sure)
eulerscheZahl: ranks in bottom silver
NinjaDoggy: ok nvm, top 10 isn't happening yet :(
eulerscheZahl: at least he was first early in the contest. and same language as the boss
eulerscheZahl: fix it ninja
AntiSquid: i would have used it to skip wood . so i can start with full rules
AntiSquid: done a quick and dirty python instead :P
eulerscheZahl: oh, nice https://prnt.sc/vkaelm
NinjaDoggy: he's back at the top!
AntiSquid: you can add more 1s with a crash submit
eulerscheZahl: :D
wlesavo: 1111/1111
eulerscheZahl: still almost a week to go. i need holidays after this
mojojojo: what changes if you move from bronze to silver?
eulerscheZahl: the color
PatrickMcGinnisII: alot of processing on the leaderboard
AntiSquid: opponents have +1 stamina and charisma
mojojojo: okay
mojojojo: i believe antisquid
wlesavo: more games to lose in a submit also
AntiSquid: bronze last rule change MojoJojo
mojojojo: what rule
Barimehdi77: is the spells id always fix (78,79,80,81)?
mojojojo: so apart from the trolling, only difference is your bot only starts from the bottom of your league after a submit?
rockstar555: hii world
