leocrabe225: Hey guys, in Ghost in the Cell, can we know if a factory has been hit by a bomb ?
FuriousT: is it possible to dump molecules in Code4Life?
tinManB: Hellow!
leocrabe225: Hello
tinManB: can you please explain the chuck Norris technique?
leocrabe225: You need to struggle the guy from his back, you must compress his blood vessel, doing so he will pass out
eulerscheZahl: FuriousT no it's not possible
tinManB: lol. I was talking about the challenge
leocrabe225: I don't know about any challenge lmao
tinManB: ok then
AndrewAung11: Who can explain me about Skynet Revolution - Episode 1?
AndrewAung11: Can anyone explain me about Skynet Revolution - Episode 1?
leocrabe225: OK, I read the subject tinMan
leocrabe225: I can explain
leocrabe225: Do yo
ProgrammerDog: moderate my contribution please
ProgrammerDog: and by that I mean approve it
leocrabe225: Let's explain the first example
BenjaminUrquhart: time to not moderate ProgrammerDog's contrib
BenjaminUrquhart: AndrewAung11 are you still there?
tinManB: I googled it and I think I got it now. so 1 is 0 and 0 is 00
leocrabe225: C = 1000011 in ascii binary, so you wanna separate the 0s from the 1s it give you 1 0000 11. Then if you wanna write a 1 you start with 0 otherwise you start with 00
leocrabe225: So : 0 0|00 0000|0 00
leocrabe225: for 1|0000|11
tinManB: so the frequency is displayed by 0's with out spaces
tinManB: right?
leocrabe225: You must output the spaces
leocrabe225: Or you would just have a lot of 0s
leocrabe225: And you must not separate the letters
tinManB: o okay, the number representation 1st 0 or 00 and space then the frequency of appirance 000
leocrabe225: Like, if a A is 0000000 then AA translated is 00 00000000000000
tinManB: got it thanks
leocrabe225: Ok nice, you're welcome !
rajutsav1234: hiiiiii
rajutsav1234: hiiii to all
rajutsav1234: please say somthing
rajutsav1234: please say
rajutsav1234: please
Uljahn: please no flood :pouting_cat:
GoogleJeff: is it time for everyone to spam chat?
GoogleJeff: 🦃
Rodrigo_the_coder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c84f0fb0-3d6d-41f7-8a5b-6f642b6362cc
Rodrigo_the_coder: c++ solution of tron battle
ProgrammerDog: thanks tysm
KiwiTae: hey bobs
struct: hi kiwi
Matrix007: hey guys...i need help with temperatures
KiwiTae: jiayou
Matrix007: i have finshed all other test cases except the simple test case..
KiwiTae: simple? no temperature?
Matrix007: no..the first test case
KiwiTae: bummer~
KiwiTae: whats the case?
Matrix007: 5
1 -2 -8 4 5
struct: Can you share the code
struct: ?
KiwiTae: need to output 1 no?
Matrix007: thats what i am asking how to share it
KiwiTae: paste it it will create a pastebin link
struct: just paste it here
Matrix007: i am a total noob so my code looks dirty...wait let me see
KiwiTae: no worry we seen worse
Matrix007: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/30ae6942-72ec-45ed-8725-d98f55bb1e65
struct: They have seen my code
Matrix007: great theres it..
Matrix007: shall i just explain the code?
Matrix007: i am just sorry guys..
Matrix007: gotta go..
struct: Np, Im reading it
Matrix007: i will come later..
struct: oh ok
Matrix007: basic logic is seperate negative and positive...find smallest in both of them..make them both positive...find the smallest one thats the required one
Matrix007: i am sorry if it was spoiled..
KiwiTae: dont want to just use abs() ? hehe
struct: if(small==1)
{
cout<<-smalln;
}
struct: its not the only problem
struct: removing this creates other problems
Nezinau: Hey, can't figure out, why my code fails if first 2 numbers have smallest diff. Could you bring me on a right path?
Nezinau: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a7a61f3a-45a1-4216-92e5-499d761272ff
Earthborne: Nezinau aren't you getting an index error when i==N-1?
DaNinja: it wont work if two consecutive numbers are negative
MadKnight: because this is js Nezinau
MadKnight: that explains everything
Earthborne: ^^^^
KiwiTae: :grimacing: Maddy
Nezinau: :D
MadKnight: i'm not joking, his sort does string sort
Earthborne: wtf
Nezinau: No i am not getting any error, just fails in submit phase.
DaNinja: abs(-8 - -7) is not 1
DaNinja: o_O
Nezinau: oh,
DaNinja: wait
Earthborne: wait
Earthborne: it is though
**wlesavo waits
DaNinja: try abs(all[i+1]) - abs(all[i])
MadKnight: no i mean [1, 2, 10].sort() ->
[1. 10, 2]
Earthborne: well that's weird
MadKnight: just check if it's like that
Nezinau: try abs(all[i+1]) - abs(all[i]) same issue
jrke: all set for contest :muscle_tone2:
DaNinja: you need to split() the 2nd line
MadKnight: DaNinja since when are there negative numbers?
MadKnight: DaNinja it's not temperatues puzzle also
Earthborne: what puzzle is this anyway?
MadKnight: Nezinau don't listen to DaNinja he thinks it's temperatues
DaNinja: its not temps?
MadKnight: no it's horses
DaNinja: duh
MadKnight: Nezinau your sort goes [1, 2, 10].sort() ->
[1. 10, 2]
KiwiTae: uuh we can't do string("hello")*2 in c++ to output hellohello?
Earthborne: But why on earth isn't he getting an index error on `for (let i = 0; i < N; i++) { all[i+1] .... }`??
Nezinau: Yeah, its horses
MadKnight: u can if u overload * KiwiTae
struct: Earthborne he goes out of bounds at end
MadKnight: because it's js Earthborne
MadKnight: js allows u to go out of index
MadKnight: it just gives 'undefined'
Earthborne: oh
MadKnight: Nezinau fix your sort
Earthborne: I keep far away from js
Nezinau: MadKnight, ok thx
Nezinau: It worked, Thanks!!!
Earthborne: Ouf, gotta do some more exam reading before the contest start, good it wasn't until this afternoon
AntonCosmin: any hints about the fall challenge?
struct: Don't think there are any.
AntonCosmin: I am soo excited :) can't wait
Rodrigo_the_coder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/cff6372e-fa2a-4dae-9a71-591df412b399
Rodrigo_the_coder: code for tron battle
Rodrigo_the_coder: works in any league
jrke: hey struct saw you after a long time
struct: hi jrke
Rodrigo_the_coder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ff2eb9c2-ede6-4af6-98e4-7521fc2d5fdf
Rodrigo_the_coder: a very great code
Rodrigo_the_coder: try it now
struct: Can you stop spamming it Rodrigo_the_coder?
Rodrigo_the_coder: for tron battle
Rodrigo_the_coder: it was just a code
struct: Well you keep spamming it
MadKnight: it's not even full lol
Rodrigo_the_coder: if you try discord will donate you
Rodrigo_the_coder: money and solutions
MadKnight: wat
Rodrigo_the_coder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9759e04a-27d1-41e2-a302-08755ddf969f
MadKnight: why would we want that, Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: because it's hard to figure out the best way to be sure to use the boost
MadKnight: do we just kick him, Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: oh and if you want to do that?
MadKnight: yea that's better
SeekDog: Hi
tinManB: Hello
tinManB: Anybody who knows chuck Norris' method?
hem123: sure what do you need
tinManB: I was able to convert simple chars to it. but special characters and long texts are different
hem123: python?
tinManB: yes
hem123: yes so you need to loop per character
Uljahn: do you use 7-bit for binary representation with leading zeros?
hem123: ie: CC= 1000011+1000011
hem123: and indeed one need to make sure to make them 7 bit
tinManB: yes I did
hem123: for example use .zfill(7)
hem123: CC= 1000011+1000011 ==>10000111000011
tinManB: answer = .join(format(ord(i), 'b') for i in message)
tinManB: for example for % i get binary 100101 but the expected result starts with 00
tinManB: I thought zero was 00 and 1 is 0?
hem123: 7bits
Uljahn: you should extend the binary to 7-bit with leading zeros, for example use .zfill(7)
hem123: 0100101
Uljahn: :shrug:
tinManB: answer = .join(format(ord(i), '07b') for i in message)
hem123: also if you wnat it short look into printf
tinManB: look this is what I get even after .zfill(7)
tinManB: Failure
Found: 00 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 00 0
Expected: 00 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 00 0 0 0
Uljahn: maybe you have a bug somewhere else
tinManB: its for %
hem123: i cannot look into your code but it seems to be missing the last number
tinManB: Thanks it was a while loop problem
Oursbrun: there is a problem with the puzzle "codevs zombies"
Oursbrun: I hard coded and get all the test pass how can I report that
Oursbrun: "code vs Zombies"
wlesavo: thats not a problem, thats a feature
Uljahn: your score isn't very high, is it? the goal is not just to pass but to get the highest score possible
Oursbrun: ok, I see
struct: also the validators are different from test cases
struct: so hardcoding test cases wont do much
wlesavo: i think he meant validators
ImagineLosing: monkey
Uljahn: patching
DomiKo: ehhhh I have to do Code of Rings
DomiKo: I hate that opti :(
DomiKo: someone hate that one too?
ParticleBeam: A relatively basic greedy algorithm seems to work for Code of the Rings
DomiKo: not really :/
ParticleBeam: its not globally optimal no, but a reasonable place to start
ParticleBeam: Oh. I see you have done the puzzle already.
wlesavo: DomiKo you also may cash in some easy cp in cg sponsored, map detection + simple sim = easy top 15 there
DomiKo: you could be right
DomiKo: yesterday I finally done A*Craft and CodeVsZombie offline and reach top6 and top15
logiqub: @DomiKo I love it actually.
DomiKo: and CodeOfRight and Sposored are the ones I have to do
DomiKo: tell me
DomiKo: what is so great in that one?
struct: in sponsored?
logiqub: At first I hated it, because I don't really like Brainfuck. But once you get it working a little bit, it becomes fun. Probably easier if you wrote interpreters/compilers before.
DomiKo: struct in Code Of Rings
struct: 1:30 hours lets go
DomiKo: yea
ZarthaxX: STRUCTOOOOOOOOOOOO
ZarthaxX: hai sweetie :*
struct: /ban zarthax
struct: Hi
ZarthaxX: now you can actually do that
ZarthaxX: D:
DomiKo: :joy:
ZarthaxX: how u doin
struct: I didnt even know
struct: I'm fine thanks
ZarthaxX: excellent
struct: I only know I was a mod 2 days ago
ZarthaxX: lmao
struct: knew*
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
ZarthaxX: *it just came*
struct: Lets see if my accounts lasts more than 12 days
struct: my account*
struct: can't spell today
ZarthaxX: :rofl: god no
ZarthaxX: yeah i noticed :P
jrke: oh new hovering feature on leaderboard
struct: which leaderboard'
jrke: any leaderboard
struct: What is this "feature"?
struct: I don't see anything different
jrke: hover it
struct: I am
struct: ah it turns dark?
jrke: gotcha
struct: Not sure if I like it or not
jrke: another feature private team chat option on contest home page
struct: Is it really private?
struct: or just creates a new public room?
G-Rom: nop, public room
jrke: my bad
G-Rom: even if it was private, it's easy to update your school or company, so it's not really secure anyway
struct: I notice a nice feature
struct: Past contest pages load instantly
struct: Is this true?
struct: ah only happens if im not logged in
player_one: I'm looking forward to it. This will be my first CG contest since Wonder Woman! That's more than 3 years ago! Boy how time flies.
struct: that long?
struct: damn
AhmedH2O: guys i keep getting this error SyntaxError: invalid syntax
at Answer.py. not in a function on line 17 can anyone help
AhmedH2O: and the print(ans) should be out of the function
struct: can you paste the code here?
Uljahn: check for balanced brackets
jrke: it means the syntax of code present on line 17
jrke: check it
AhmedH2O: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7878db3a-dd05-4a87-8e3f-95ad027600aa
DomiKo: does anyone from top 4 in A*Craft posted their hiscores?
Uljahn: x[n - x[n-c]
MadKnight: x[n - x[n - x[n -
AhmedH2O: that was quick thanks
MadKnight: Automaton2000 how to end this ?
Automaton2000: ah, that might be a feature
jacek: eeyup
MadKnight: oh it's just an hour left
jacek: to what
struct: contest
jrke: to contest
jacek: impossibru
jrke: i m possible
struct: hi possible
jrke: :smiley:
ayachi-bassem: viele danke
jacek: oO
Uljahn: pardun?
Gabbek: Hello everyone :)
eulerscheZahl: a lvl1 user on the chat, how did that happen?
struct: Doesnt pidgin allow it?
G-Rom: we didn't lock the chat for user coming from the chat system of the contest. It will probably evolve in the future, quick fix to have the chat feature for teams
Nerchio: hola amigos
AlPaca: does codingame have an irc chat?
AlPaca: or matrix channel?
Gabbek: Hello Nerchio
MadKnight: isn't xmpp chat not enough ?
eulerscheZahl: so many users online, note the tiny scrollbar https://imgur.com/a/yigWodD
my chormium refuses to do anything. I wonder if that's related to the crowded chat
eulerscheZahl: switched to firefox now
MadKnight: page reload did nothing ?
struct: 1944 users
MadKnight: wow that's nice
Gabbek: eulerscheZahl tried to scroll down on chrome, it freezes :D
eulerscheZahl: and you have the reduced list
Gabbek: can't use it either way ^^
eulerscheZahl: my chromium bugs out as soon as i want to switch to world
eulerscheZahl: not even listing the participants
eulerscheZahl: i'll go to codeforces, kotlin heroes starts in 5min
Gabbek: good luck eulerscheZahl!
MadKnight: okay i prepared my new shiny codemerger and cg local and now i'm ready for the contest
MadKnight: on ff on my laptop world list doesn't lag
MadKnight: eulerscheZahl what's kotlin heroes ?
Icebox: Hello my dudes
ZarthaxX: the cube
Uljahn: hey
MadKnight: since when are u red
Gabbek: MadKnight https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/84403
Gabbek: afk 20min~
Icebox: ZarthaxX I even wrote you on discord but you ignoring me
MadKnight: are u supposed to code it in kotlin ?
Icebox: smh
MadKnight: ZarthaxX is ignoring everyone
MadKnight: on discord
ZarthaxX: wot
Icebox: nah, he's quite active on our cool kids server
MadKnight: his notifications are rip
ZarthaxX: i closed the discord
ZarthaxX: lemme check
ZarthaxX: yeah my notifs get lost a lot too :D
MadKnight: fix your notifs
MadKnight: ezpz
dbf: wow, there is trip to Moscow as a special prize for Kotlin Heroes, eulerscheZahl you must get it
MadKnight: we will drink vodka and play balalaika with our home bear Uljahn the Bear
MenoIy: hello there
MadKnight: and learn to say R like russians
dbf: lol
MadKnight: most important skill
MadKnight: our pet* bear
MadKnight: lel
ZarthaxX: wot
Quidome: wow 13.000+ players registered
MadKnight: Automaton2000 is not registered
Quidome: Can the hardware handle this :P
Automaton2000: i bet you can still work on your bot
MadKnight: 90% of registered people usually don't play at all
MadKnight: or play just a bit
MadKnight: but get ready to have some server lag in the beginning
MadKnight: Icebox ezpz legend ?
G-Rom: we updated the db, just in case ;)
KnightMoves: good morning everyone
Gabbek: good day
Washier: good luck peeps <cracks knuckles>
maddenvvs: Good luck everyone!
BrainNotFound: Simple question. If I submit a puzzle, get on the leaderboard, and later I find an improvement, can I go back change it and resubmit?
MadKnight: yea
kovi: early email?
KnightMoves: of course
BrainNotFound: Thanks.
KnightMoves: yeah the youtube link isn't working for me
jacek: so many streams
Q12: yeah
struct: We get a sneak peak
struct: at screenshot
RockyMullet: hi
struct: hi
RockyMullet: I came for the hype :D
Icebox: ah, here's our favorite mullet
ZarthaxX: cya RockyMullet
Jdools05: This is my first Challenge
RockyMullet: hi, coolest of the boxes :D
Quidome: :drumroll:
RockyMullet: CARNE
RockyMullet: cya ? but im not leaving yet
Washier: 30 secs left to wait
Icebox: good luck boys
Quidome: have fun everyone
kovi: gl
RockyMullet: :triumph:
Washier: GO GO GO
MojoJojo: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada: :tada:
struct: lets go
stylemanguy: Oh yeah I have been waiting for so long :D
ZarthaxX: gl everyone
LinusDev: lets gooo!
ZarthaxX: carneeeeeeeeee RockyMullet
Maciulis: gl gl
Thheo: hf
BenjaminUrquhart: I just woke up 2 seconds ago lmao
BenjaminUrquhart: gl
hasleron: gl everyone
RockyMullet: im fighting with the lag, im not even in yet
jacek: the page doesnt load
RockyMullet: big F
E_pur_si_muove: network error 504 :(
jacek: lets do CSB promotion now
Gabbek: just try again, here's the link for you: https://www.codingame.com/ide/challenge/fall-challenge-2020
Earthborne: yey back in chat!
Astrobytes: :neutral_face:
Doju: Damn i'm so sad
Doju: I've been waiting for the next challenge since the spring one
Scarfield: lol i was joking the other day saying contest was obviously a potion brewer
Doju: But i'm a conscript in the finnish army atm so i don't have time to properly participate in this one
BenjaminUrquhart: Scarfield lmao
Astrobytes: Not sure I like it
struct: bronze
SkyDreamer: i have a chemistry degree
struct: ill try to take screen shot of rules if you want
struct: from bronze
Scarfield: just started reading, but hope is one of those that gets interesting along the way
ParticleBeam: Odd. The boss seems to fail. Outputs "REST" instead of "WAIT"
struct: https://i.imgur.com/DiibMep.jpg
Washier: REST seems to be for later leagues
jacek: wood1 is so drawish
[CG]Thibaud: yes Washier
struct: I got lucky I guess
BenjaminUrquhart: cause everyone is just doing BREW <last action id>
jacek: i use first action :v
BenjaminUrquhart: you're banned
Gabbek: hehe, gotta use spells :)
ParticleBeam: I use a random action
BenjaminUrquhart: sorry to do it to you
Donotalo: For instance, a client order with delta = -2, -1, 0, 0 means you have to consume 2 tier-0 ingredients and 1 tier-2 ingredients from your inventory in order to brew the potion.
Donotalo: in the problem statement
BoBot: lol you lazy guys, I at least sorted them by price
Donotalo: ... 1 tier-2 ingredients ? OR 1 tier-1 ingredent?
BenjaminUrquhart: BoBot if it works it works
BoBot: but did not look if I had the ingredients, that is for later :D
BoBot: got me to Wood 1
BenjaminUrquhart: wood 2 is a joke usually so
BenjaminUrquhart: or whatever the starting league is
jacek: easy to learn hard to master
struct: except ocean of code wood 2 boss
BoBot: oh, they said Wood 1 is drawish :D
BenjaminUrquhart: we don't talk about OOC
jacek: lets talk about UTG
Zhmyh: Ah shit, he we go again.
jacek: meh wood1 ex too
Icebox: first to bronze leggo
struct: no
struct: I was :p
Icebox: or maybe tied with romka
Icebox: struct I beat you on %
Hjax: hello everyone
struct: https://i.imgur.com/9RFAciO.png
Hjax: i see the contest has started
Icebox: crap
struct: This was like from 15 minutes ago +
CowZow: Hello! The usual suspects have returned ....
Icebox: wait what
arkwaw: wood 2 boss is like 30th in his league
struct: Thats why I posted rules and github repo
struct: on discord
struct: also I shared replay of bosses
Kiiskil: sudoku solver
Icebox: oh yeah I wasn't looking at bronze leaderboard, only at the promotions
Icebox: explains why I didn't see you get promoted
struct: Yeah I was lucky
jacek: so lucky with 0.68
struct: lol
struct: If it works it works
jrke: man contest leaderboard is broked
Astrobytes: 13000+ people in it last I checked :D
Dan4Life: when did the contest start?
Dan4Life: im guessing 4:30
BenjaminUrquhart: 30 minutes ago
BoBot: 34 minutes ago
DomiKo: 34 min ago
BoBot: :D
Dan4Life: oh
BenjaminUrquhart: might as well have been 30 from the hug of death
Dan4Life: lol
longdong: :)
DXstation: ...
MadKnight: ezpz wood 1
CommanderCero: Lol random actions and immediatly bronze
Dan4Life: lemme try that
Dan4Life: is it possible to get demoted
CommanderCero: no
Hjax: this game reminds me of code4life
struct: Better c4l
Icebox: that was the best contest ever anyway
Gabbek: this is so cool :D
Hjax: im glad you are having fun Gabbek :D
CommanderCero: god so many rules its like reading a book
Gabbek: do you have to be #1 to get to bronze, even if you're above the boss in wood league?
struct: no
BenjaminUrquhart: I've seen worse
Hjax: no you just need to be above the boss
struct: just need to be above the boss at 100%
CommanderCero: no you just need to be above the boss
Gabbek: okey, so just need to wait few minutes
jacek: AutomatonNN what are the rules
CommanderCero: yeah until the leaderboard says 100% of matches completed
Gabbek: oh yeah, that worked
AutomatonNN: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤
Gabbek: Hjax you're in bronze, or do you want a screenshot of bronze rules?
BooDeer: Is something wrong with the promotion?
BenjaminUrquhart: automaton did the funny again
Gabbek: hehehe
Hjax: im not in bronze yet, im at work so i cant really do anything right now anyway
rmuskovets: im in wood 1 now!
CommanderCero: congrats!
VaseSimion: Hi guys, is just me or the chat keeps refreshing?
VaseSimion: Because my cursor just gets thrown in the chat window all the time
aristotelis-bobas: how do you recognize your own inventory input?
Immanio: Your own inventory is read first
aristotelis-bobas: always? in arena sometimes you are the right witch
Immanio: in the for loop reading iventory, i = 0 is your inventory, i = 1 is the opponent
aristotelis-bobas: ok ty
Q12: look at actionType
CommanderCero: integers to describe each player, your data is always first:
CommanderCero: in the rules
aristotelis-bobas: you are right, thank you
aristotelis-bobas: 5 integers to describe each player, your data is always first:
aristotelis-bobas: YOUR data is bold
MadKnight: is it always gonna have this bunch of spells ?
MadKnight: or it will be different spells?
aristotelis-bobas: in later leagues you will have learn / tome mechanics
struct: bronze is final
aristotelis-bobas: lol
CommanderCero: seems like it, they have hardcoded spells which are just shuffles
CommanderCero: here from bronze:
You can check out the source code of this game on this GitHub repo. You can find a list of all possible spells in the tome.
MadKnight: so how are u guys doing the code for spells ?
tomatoes: no referee this time?
struct: https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020
tomatoes: thanks!
MadKnight: struct how are u gonna be checking what spells to use ?
struct: idk, Im still reading rules
yhyoxx: maybe choose the spell that will let u brez the potion with most rupees
BenjaminUrquhart: I have ideas
yhyoxx: brew*
MadKnight: but what if u can get enough stuff for a potion with -2 rupess in 3 turns less?
yhyoxx: that was as far as my brain could go goodluck with that :')
AntiSquid: hi MadKnight
MadKnight: hihi squiddy
Dan4Life: what happens if u brew a potion but u dont have enough ingredients for that potion?
Dan4Life: does it automatically wait
arthurb123: this is so fun
BenjaminUrquhart: nothing
MadKnight: nothing
crgonzal: you should catch those cases, i guess it will do nothing
Uemu: I print BREW with some ID and it tells me SPELL ID does not exist, lol wth ?
Washier: foor wood 1 is purely pick the potion with the biggest price
AntiSquid: oh there's another D user already on the LB
Dan4Life: how do i check inventory?
AntiSquid: hi Jeroen.
Dan4Life: the inventory is showing after the action count loop so i dont know what i initially have
Washier: you get the actions and the inventory every turn, so you do know what you have before acting
BryanGriffiths: then store the actions and do all your logic after the input is finished
Washier: ^^
yhyoxx: yup
Dan4Life: oh
BryanGriffiths: for example I make a brew struc, a spell struc, a player struc, etc. then parse all the input into the relevent arrays of structs
Dan4Life: i understand
BryanGriffiths: then do what ever logic I want. This way I can adapt as the tiers get more complex
BryanGriffiths: :thumbsup:
DeCe: every spell can only be used once?
Hjax: @DeCe if you REST you can refresh your reusuable spells
DeCe: thanks :) missed that part
Washier: hi Hjax
Hjax: hi there :)
Gabbek: there are some repeatable spells in bronze
Washier: Hjax, any early thoughts you have on how to approach(optimize?) this puppy?
Hjax: im thinking i might want to read some code4life postmortems
Hjax: since this game is pretty similar looking
Washier: cool tx
Washier: its a perfect info game, think gametrees useful?
AntiSquid: recurze said it's similar to code a la mode too, not sure :thinking: i see some similarities indeed
Gabbek: mix of code a la mode & code4life I think
Hjax: yeah it looks searchable, but in higher leagues the ability to learn more complex spells will make the branching factor blow up a bit more
AntiSquid: regression trees washier
Washier: tx, will look into it
Gabbek: looks like I'll have a really rough time, but I'll try anyway :D
Astrobytes: I don't like it much, though I've not tried properly yet
AntiSquid: haha was joking, not sure you have time to do that during contest, applause if you do Washier
Washier: haha. i'm taking some time off from work for this. so much moarr interesting
Hjax: i wont be able to start my bot until this evening
AntiSquid: then maybe you do have time!
AntiSquid: it's evening in UK
Washier: is the game engine open?
AntiSquid: check your time zone privilege !
Washier: haven't checked
Astrobytes: Washier:
https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020
Washier: sweeet
Washier: tx
Astrobytes: np
Cohmedy: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
**Cohmedy slaps Astrobytes around a bit with a large fishbot
BloodyTurtles: lol, everybody in the challenge wood league 1 has the same code
BenjaminUrquhart: Automaton2000 do thing
Automaton2000: the problem is that if you make a move in the same league
BloodyTurtles: I haven't lost a single time but they are all ties
Barimehdi77: how can I make a spell in the wood 1 league?
BloodyTurtles: CAST id
Gabbek: make sure you fulfill the requirements and then output command: CAST {action_id}
Gabbek: (you probably want to create a list of spells so that you can track them)
Barimehdi77: but how can I turn the tier-0 ingredient to tier-1?
Barimehdi77: so I can complete the spell ingredients
LastRick: The comment for tomeIndex says "Always 0" in the first two leagues. Yet, I'm reading it and it says -1?
LastRick: Same with taxCOunt
cegprakash: any C++ streamers?
Barimehdi77: but how can I turn the tier-0 ingredient to tier-1?
so I can complete the spell ingredients
SabertheLost: I feel bad for the wood 1 boss
DeCe: Will there be new rules for Silver league?
BenjaminUrquhart: no
BloodyTurtles: probably, there is that tax thing
BenjaminUrquhart: final rules are in bronze
BloodyTurtles: oh ok
DeCe: Thanks :)
Barimehdi77: can any one help me
Barimehdi77: plz
Barimehdi77: how can I turn the tier-0 ingredient to tier-1?
so I can complete the spell ingredients
LastRick: i'm only guessing here but what if that's something you cant do in the first league?
Gabbek: Barimehdi77 you have to cast a spell which creates tier-1 ingredient, but to do that you have to have certain ingredients required by the said spell
LastRick: I'm guessing that is a CAST option
LastRick: yeah, what Gabbek said
Gabbek: available spells are provided for you in input section, their action_id is "CAST"
Dan4Life: what happens if u and ur opponent both get the same points?
Hjax: you both win
Dan4Life: oh
Hjax: (you tie)
Hjax: but it will display on the results as both of you getting #1
Jayantpro: Man even league 2 seems har
Jayantpro: hard*
Dan4Life: lol, just greedily picking the highest price that u can brew is enough, i hvnt lost a single game yet, but then its wood 2...
BloodyTurtles: it gets a bit more complicated in wood1
BloodyTurtles: but no need for any fancy algorithm
BloodyTurtles: greedy works just fine
BloodyTurtles: ooh, I am about the beat the boss like after 10 min in wood 1
Dan4Life: nice
AntiSquid: wood1 here
sahilrox: In case of a tie, what is the tie-breaker?
BloodyTurtles: ok, I'm just 1 position under the boss
Jayantpro: Sorry i meant wood1 only lol
BloodyTurtles: oh, i'm 3rd now after the boss
AntiSquid: what's a quick way to bronze from wood1? don't want to overengineer
Nerchio: asd
Uljahn: random choice for bronze
AntiSquid: what?
BloodyTurtles: here's a greedy algorithm
BloodyTurtles: :
Nerchio: my chat lagged sry :P
AntiSquid: kick + ban @_@
BloodyTurtles: if you can cast a spell, cast the highest price one
BloodyTurtles: srry, meant brew a potion
BloodyTurtles: else if you can cast a spell, cast the first one
Nerchio: you need to start casting spells in wood1 so its not so easy i guess
Nerchio: thats only enough to pass wood2 though
BloodyTurtles: else if not all castable, REST
BloodyTurtles: else WAIT
AntiSquid: damn it
BloodyTurtles: yes, i'm in bronze
BloodyTurtles: ok, it's getting a bit more complicated now in bronze
Dan4Life: :clap:
AntiSquid: i go watch a stream for quick bronze @_@
ProgrammerDog: &_&
Avenslova: Hey everyone
Avenslova: Whar does the actionId refer to exactly in the order?
VaseSimion: wood 2 is really simple to pass and in wood one you just need to figure out how the logic of the spells advantages you
Xenoid: The actionId is what you enter in your output to tell the game what to brew, cast, or learn
Avenslova: Oh, thank you
AbsorbantLight: There's no learning in wood-1, right?
Xenoid: correct
Hjax: correct no tome until bronze
MarcinS: qwertyiiuyteertyuioiuytrtyuiol;lkfnbij9iujnfdvjufirjn fdvnj
Icebox: I agree with him
Waffle3z: I was just about to say that
AntonCosmin: Hey guys, anyone knows how to write debug in C#?
ScifiSpirit: To debug: Console.Error.WriteLine("Debug messages...");
AntonCosmin: yes, it works! thank you
ScifiSpirit: Np
lNitsua: I haven't played since Ocean of code, but the IDE seems much smoother now, or is it just me?
Waffle3z: "The game ends once at least one witch has brewed 3 potions." looks like it's still giong on for 100 rounds?
tutubalin: typo in contest description:
"However, the witch's hut in witch..."
ProgrammerDog: What is capital C in binary?
tutubalin: ProgrammerDog 64+3
Xenoid: 67 = 0x1000011
Waffle3z: oh they're all spells not brews
Xenoid: err just 1000011 rather, not hex
Waffle3z: 0b1000011
Xenoid: yeah that ^
Xenoid: thanks
linjoehan: can the editor stop trying to be smart?
crgonzal: why if "inv" mean the ammount of gems on inventory it run a for loop twice ?
Laws: your inv and their inv
Xenoid: You also receive information about your opponent's inventory
GiraffeKing: first is you, second is opponent
crgonzal: omg i so dumb LOL
BenjaminUrquhart: k I finally have a basic bot done
BenjaminUrquhart: gonna wait for bronze promotion before I do anything else
Hjax: are all the rules available in bronze
Hjax: or will something change in silver (more spells?)
tomatoes: All the rules are now unlocked!
Over9000: Learn new spells from the magic tome
struct: bronze should be final Hjax
Over9000: Oh wait sorry I'm dumb
Hjax: ok nice
Gabbek: Hjax wanna talk a bit? Guess we can share some ideas :)
Hjax: sure, i cant do anything but brainstorm until i get home anyway
Gabbek: sent you a message on discord
Hjax: ah i can use discord where i am right now, just message me here
Gabbek: hopefully the anime girl named Hjax is you :P
Gabbek: okey, sure
Hjax: hey thats Yuko from The Demon Girl Next Door
linjoehan: Whoop no loses for me so far. (Wood 2)
BenjaminUrquhart: yay timeouts my favorite
Biaggio: yo
Jayantpro: Man even going after wood1 is hard
Biaggio: what's the lowest league
BenjaminUrquhart: wood 2 for this contest
BenjaminUrquhart: oh boy this tome is gonna be a pain
Nerchio: :innocent:
Avenslova: how do you guys read actionId's?
Avenslova: Sorry for a dumb question
tomatoes: they're in input. bootstrap code handle it
BenjaminUrquhart: with our eyes
Nerchio: the input for each turn gives you actionId?
Quidome: you can het into wood1 with random play :)
crgonzal: "the unique ID of this spell or recipe"
The id of the spell or the potion
Nerchio: i feel like urgency bonus should be given somewhere not sure why we are supposed to calculate it ourselves :D
Avenslova: wait, maybe I messed something else up in my loop
Quidome: what are the bronze rules?
tomatoes: that's complicated
BenjaminUrquhart: https://i.imgur.com/DiibMep.jpg
Quidome: thnxs
lNitsua: sometimes I just don't understand programming. LIterally just copied my code over to another doc, refereshed this ones IDE, and then copied it over step by step, and now all of a sudden my code works
lNitsua: I don't think I changed anything
hem123: is there an easy way to know which potions have been made and are gone?
GiraffeKing: They won't be in the action list anymore, for one
BenjaminUrquhart: they don't appear in the input
hem123: thanks made a mistake
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/499656178 why does the boss get 28 and me 27 ? i see 23 and 20 throughout the game
tomatoes: unused ingredients
tomatoes: Players gain 1 rupee for each tier-1 ingredient or higher in their inventory.
Icebox: guys
Icebox: the spells dissapear after 3 turns of being exhauster?
Icebox: exhausted*
Icebox: and if yes, why don't the rules mention it
Icebox: or does it dissapear only visually
[CG]Thibaud: only visually
Icebox: ah
Icebox: thank you
[CG]Thibaud: if you learn many spells
lxnn: Hey :slight_smile: Do the rules change at all after Bronze?
BenjaminUrquhart: no
AntiSquid: yes, harder opponents
lxnn: Thanks
Icebox: Rule change: opponents are now hard
Icebox: kappa
BenjaminUrquhart: how could I forget
BenjaminUrquhart: stupid me
Avenslova: I return the command to brew and the game tells that I don't wth
DomiKo: why we have to calculate urgency :(
[Csongor]: lol my code used the enemy inventory as mine until now.
AntiSquid: trying to promote the lazy way failed . putting too much work into this :/
jacek: are here any other way?
njaber: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0d1e4f8a-457c-404b-98bb-2d971fc8a169
njaber: Should have made a s shorter message
njaber: TL;DR, I find this challenge quite underwhelming
AntiSquid: or break it into paragraphs
njaber: Yeah
Rxspect: how do you change the height of mountain 0 on the descent Im new
Rxspect: also Im on java
Doju: njaber i agree
Gabbek: AntiSquid you want to reach bronze?
Doju: I was dissapointed because don't have the time to build a good bot for this challenge
Doju: But now i think i might not even try to build one at all
Hjax: this game looks way more fun than pacman to me
Hjax: i hated how random pacman felt
jacek: njaber i think it will be better to watch when the bots will be better. now is somewhat random fest
Gabbek: AntiSquid I suggest you try to go after cheapest/most expensive brew and make sure to use spells, that should do it
AntiSquid: 31.45 vs bots 32.03 can just wait lol
njaber: I feel like even with better bots, the replay is just unreadable, you need to think for a long time on each frame to try to understand why a choic would be better or hy a bot made agiven choice
AntiSquid: boss *
Nerchio: is there a spell limi?
Nerchio: limit? i guess not
Gabbek: there isn't
njaber: 46, the 4 base spells + the 42 in the tome
AntiSquid: i don't think it's an easier challenge. you still have to make the best bot
AntiSquid: well easier to get start if you even bother tracking the game state
AntiSquid: want bronze before i think of my bot structure lol kinda annoyed :P
jacek: i got to bronze making random actions
AntiSquid: but you need to verify them no?
Hjax: lol really? how do you define random actions
tomatoes: like my life
Hjax: like squid said, you at least need to check that its something valid
AntiSquid: exactly, just random can be a mess
jacek: well they give you actions. other than ignoring OPPONENT_CAST, there is no filtering
jacek: i did in in first 30 minutes of challenge, could be because of others pushing me up
njaber: I don't think it's easier either, actually I think the it probably is more challenging on a technical standpoint, but it feels way more straightforward then pacman, I feel like in this one everyone will have a somwhat similar bots, and the small optimizations will make the big difference, whereas in pacman there was a lot of interesting approaches one could take
AntiSquid: i only look at brew and cast
Hjax: so you just randomly brew or cast something?
Hjax: with no regard for your inventory
AntiSquid: not me . i select valid brew / cast
Hjax: dont you just try invalid brews every turn?
jacek: so far, yes
jacek: thast why im 280 / 301 in bronze
Hjax: im kind of surprised that got bronze
jacek: i got bronze when there were only 4 people there
AntiSquid: early on you are more likely to get pushed
struct: yeah
Gabbek: uhh, #9 - bot losing most games by being stuck on 10 items :D
struct: I got pushed
AntiSquid: 0.40 :o
struct: I was 2nd on wood 1
Nerchio: im wondering if at the absolute optimization this game won't be very drawish
njaber: I just put together a bot that weighs actions with a manually tweaked algorithm that evaluates ingredient value, brew value, etc. and I got 80 bronze
struct: and then was pushed to bronze
BenjaminUrquhart: njaber I did none that that and got the same place basically lmao
BenjaminUrquhart: I have no scoring just a blind search
Gabbek: I would love to hear some basic tip regarding contest - I should be checking out replays if I want to fix the most prevelant issue, right? (Not aiming for anything crazy, just trying to adapt for the time being)
njaber: I don't even search
BenjaminUrquhart: I search because I'm used to contests with pathfinding
njaber: I just count number of items in inventory > evaluate value of items depending on existing brews,casts and number of items > get value of each action > take action with highest gain
njaber: I can't even integrate spell learning with this
BenjaminUrquhart: oh that reminds me I need to do full inventory checks
Gabbek: make sure you implement even the most basic inventory size check
Gabbek: since that's very easy to get stuck
njaber: yeah having a bot that doesn't soft-lock is enough to get out of wood 1 I feel like
Hjax: lol, i submitted random bot and it promoted, thats hilarious
Hjax: im bronze now
Gabbek: haha, grats Hjax
AntiSquid: oof
Gabbek: that's actually quite an achievement :D
AntiSquid: what rand did you use?
jacek: return 4;
AntiSquid: did you test valid actions?
Hjax: its literally, rest if you have any unavail spells, then 50% chance between choose random brew and choose random spell
Hjax: testing no validities or anything
Hjax: i cant believe that promotes
jacek: hjaxmax
AntiSquid: i just need my +0.3
jacek: hmax
Hjax: i hadnt tried random because i didnt think it would work, thanks for convincing me jacek
njaber: if you add a random chance to the rest and add a learn, you could just submit that and have a chance you bot plays perfectly untill the end of the tournament :')
Gabbek: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/499685295
AntiSquid: ok i can promote now probably, only was picking last valid spell, now collecting all valid ones and picking rand
Gabbek: a useful reminder for score: make sure to count inventory as points!
Gabbek: otherwise this can happen :D
Hjax: my bot rests after every spell cast, for even chance of using each spell
Hjax: otherwise you will cast every spell, and slowly fill your inventory with t4
AntiSquid: i only rest if len(spells) == 0
Hjax: which isnt great
Hjax: yeah that will just fill inventory with t4
Hjax: and make you get stuck
MadKnight: ezpz top-25 bronze
Hjax: i did rest if len(spells) < 4
Waffle3z: I rest if the spell I want isn't castable
njaber: just do 50% chance if len < 4
Hjax: we arent doing intelligent things here Waffle3z
Hjax: we are making random bots
AntiSquid: it's ok i am already above boss with this mess
AntiSquid: mine isn't really rand collects valid actions :P
Gabbek: do you guys see where it's mentioned about inventory ingrements counting towards score at the end? Can't find it :(
tomatoes: <4 will stuck at the start
AlexisMolestos: any way to use my IDE (pycharm) instead of this?
Gabbek: oh, found it: Players gain 1 rupee for each tier-1 ingredient or higher in their inventory.
Hjax: it was good enough to get bronze tomatoes
Hjax: which is all i was trying to do
Hjax: i added like 5 lines of code to the python 3 starter and got bronze
Hjax: missions accomplished
AntiSquid: brawnze now
jacek: starter?
tomatoes: only 2 spells castable at the start :thinking:
Hjax: the default code
Hjax: whatever you want to call it
jacek: oh
Beresta: bronze is at full rules right?
yhyoxx: very motivating, ive tryin to write an algo for hours now ;_;
AntiSquid: cast times ? this really complicates things
njaber: yhyoxx just make sure your bot doesn't soft lock and you should be able to get into bronze
yhyoxx: what's softlock ?
Hjax: fill its inventory with junk and get stuck
njaber: Taking no action/invalid action each turn
AntiSquid: yhyoxx get valid moves and pick a random one
njaber: If your bot always takes a valid action it should be ok
yhyoxx: yep thanks
AntiSquid: just valid move alone isn't enough
AntiSquid: had to add random
Hjax: straight random moves with no validity checking is fine for bronze
Hjax: at least it worked for me
AntiSquid: didn't work for me first few tries though
Hjax: maybe i just got lucky :D
AntiSquid: :thinking: maybe a demotion is warranted
inoryy: seems basic greedy approach is enough to get into bronze straight out of W2
njaber: They should have just made the boss take random moves lol
AntiSquid: we are talking about laziest possible bot to get to bronze inoryy :P
yhyoxx: #demoteHjax
Hjax: D:
yhyoxx: kidding x)
njaber: not, promote this guy, he is a genius
AntiSquid: #metoo
AntiSquid: oh wrong hashtag
Hjax: #blamejacek
njaber: #HjaxInSilver
njaber: just open the league in advance just for him
AntiSquid: #HjaxLegendElect
Gabbek: hmm
Gabbek: can we somehow know how many potions the opponent has made?
njaber: you can deduce it but you need to keep track of the potion list between turns
inoryy: it's no 5 lines added to default but still < 100 locs written in ~30min
Nerchio: :(
njaber: waitno
njaber: the points
Hjax: check when they get rupees
njaber: how many times thei points changed
Gabbek: oh, so true, thanks!'
AntiSquid: last op command would be nicer
inoryy: well, good contest, time to pretend I've got no time for it for the next 10 days
njaber: ^
AntiSquid: i actually don't
AntiSquid: i move house + have to do some courses + there are some nice job postings i want to apply for :P
Beresta: yay, bronze
Gabbek: congrats
Beresta: no more new rules later on, right?
Cukinoden: could some one expalain for me what does it mean the last loop "for i in range(2)"
Hjax: it gives you the inventory for each player
njaber: I'm coding my own language, was hopping to finish it in time for the contest but I'm far from finished, I think I'll just go back to it and hope I'm finished for the next
Hjax: your data is first, your opponent is second @Cukinoden
Cukinoden: thanks
AntiSquid: laters, have fun time! :P
Gabbek: have a great one AntiSquid
Gabbek: general tip for bronze: make sure you somehow manage your items well enough not to get stack
Gabbek: that alone is worth tons of ranks
Hjax: general tip for bronze, flip some coins
Hjax: :P
Gabbek: ohh right
qweoruqowrueoqwue: mmm
inoryy: make sure not to flip tables though
BenjaminUrquhart: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Hjax: ┬─┬ノ( ◕◡◕ ノ)
Gabbek: haha
Gabbek: those are epic!
njaber: Well since there are true random elements to this one I reckon at some points even good bots will have to take bets
Hjax: this game is an acceptable amount of random
Hjax: and not a fog of war mess
njaber: fog of war is fun, it makes deduction and induction a very important factor
Hjax: it was not fun in pacman
njaber: I like it personally
Hjax: the, walk around the wrong corner and lose abruptly aspect was annoying
njaber: I got an almost perfect predictor for the opponent, but never made any use of it because my bot was sub-par appart from that
Icebox: just track enemy lul
njaber: wait not a predictor
njaber: a traker
njaber: tracker*
Hjax: i had a tracker, still died randomly and horribly
njaber: then you weren't tracking good enough
Hjax: sometimes you just dont know, you havent seen a pac for a long time
njaber: On the other hand my bot was often frozen in fear after a few turns realizing how many corners it could turns and get eaten at
Gabbek: time to lose some ranks :)
Gabbek: anyone checked recipes yet? are they all premade?
ClockSort: I don't see any repeatability indicators in the visualizer (final rules). Is that normal?
Gabbek: they are atleast visible on spell list in the middle
Gabbek: not sure if they are visible on player's sides
ClockSort: what do they look like in the middle?
njaber: hover your mouse on them
ClockSort: ah, repeatable: true
ClockSort: why isn't that reflected in Deck.java of the provided source?
ClockSort: oh, they are all repeatable? I now see, repeatable = IntStream.of(recipe.delta)
.anyMatch(x -> x < 0);
ClockSort: I guess they are repeatable if they consume anything. that answers my question.
inoryy: ok I guess nobody else is trying to learn spells right now...
Icebox: where?
inoryy: nvm, misread initial replays
inoryy: though not many are doing it for sure, adding even a simple heuristic helps a ton right now
NicoNeko: :o
Ille-Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/xilledanx
inoryy: meh, can't figure out how to make repeatable useful
Scarfield: oh thats an early stream :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: how long it has been open?
BryanGriffiths: meh, I made it to top 71 using my AI from Wood 1... LOL, So yeah no one is utilizing the tome yet.
BryanGriffiths: 71 in the full leaderboard that is
BenjaminUrquhart: I use it :)
BenjaminUrquhart: still submitting though
BryanGriffiths: yeah, I haven't even started on bronze yet, but surprised how high my wood 1 was without even adapting to the new rules
BryanGriffiths: :D
BenjaminUrquhart: same
Gabbek: strange - seems like no matter what kind of brew I'm trying to make
MadKnight: top-30 is using the tome BryanGriffiths and i got top-25 with my w1 bot
Gabbek: I always land on #10 spot :/
MadKnight: which league ?
Gabbek: so I would say it's all about resource management, atleast for now
BryanGriffiths: nice @madKnight.
DomiKo: right now it's for better random :sweat_smile:
yhyoxx: any of you guys know any algorithms related ot resourse management for later on ?
BryanGriffiths: mine was simple greedy poition maker
DomiKo: BFS bro
Gabbek: even simple BFS should do well enough early on
BryanGriffiths: no efficiency anywhere else
MadKnight: and i made a pathfinder
BryanGriffiths: Hmm only a 4 point difference. Intersting
BenjaminUrquhart: woah I implemented something and it actually made my bot better :O
ParticleBeam: Yay. Bronze
BenjaminUrquhart: usually it makes things worse
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/499748157
crashing to victory
eulerscheZahl: is that a bug? :P
BenjaminUrquhart: lmao
BenjaminUrquhart: didn't OOC have a similar issue
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: i submitted that bot, performs poorly at the bottom :(
Gabbek: hello eulerscheZahl :)
ZarthaxX: how was the kotlin toad
Gabbek: how was the kotlin?
ZarthaxX: i saw the first problem and was doable, but didnt know kotlin
Gabbek: bah, ZarthaxX :D you're too fast!
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ZarthaxX: Gabbek LMAO
eulerscheZahl: that's how it went
ZarthaxX: next time gabbek :rofl:
ZarthaxX: sad toad :(
AlexisMolestos: ZarthaxX hello
ZarthaxX: i saw gennady smashing, as always
eulerscheZahl: and there are tshirts for top50 and 50 random winners
ZarthaxX: AlexisMolestos hai man :O
AlexisMolestos: I gonna participate
Gabbek: I was hoping I can find something simple to improve atm - but no matter what kind of brew I'm going for... it seems to not matter at all for my rank :o
AlexisMolestos: it seems difficult allthoug
eulerscheZahl: i'm at the shared 132nd. but my last submission was a minute later, that's used as a tie breaker
eulerscheZahl: 132 is a lucky random winner but it's not me :/
eulerscheZahl: this chat is so extremely laggy. almost unusable
ZarthaxX: AlexisMolestos nice nice, it's a bit messy :P
eulerscheZahl: i write something and letters keep appearing 5s later
Hjax: really? i havent had any problems with chat
Gabbek: no problems with chat at all either
DomiKo: mod's have ;)
eulerscheZahl: we can see 2k users online
eulerscheZahl: that seems to cause some hiccups
eulerscheZahl: chromium is completely dead, firefox is laggy
Gabbek: oh crap
Hjax: need a smurf account lol
Gabbek: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/499754472
Gabbek: spells spam :O
LastRick: No lag for me using CHrome fwiw
eulerscheZahl: you are no mod
eulerscheZahl: i'm really tempted for the smurf
struct: hmm i also get a little bit of lag
struct: like 0.5 sec between each char
struct: When I left tab open for a while it got slower
Andriamanitra: this spell learning stuff is so complicated
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl just smurf and when you get to legend you submit with your main and delete the other
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
ClockSort: what happens if you want to cast a spell that overflows your inventory? can you discard the lesser-value items clogging your inventory?
BenjaminUrquhart: it fails iirc
Andriamanitra: no, it just fails
ClockSort: brutal.
Andriamanitra: gotta make sure to manage inventory space
BryanGriffiths: no chat lag here
Gabbek: never thought I would have so much fun with random bot
BryanGriffiths: Using chrome with a ton of tabs while simulating and coding
Gabbek: just picking spells and doing whatever :D
Clagus: random power!!1
Gabbek: ClockSort inventory management is really crucial, very easy to get stuck otherwise
Meme_Magician: I'm having a big problem with my AI for the Fall Challenge... The debug messages say it's brewing potions, but it always wait on the first turn - without printing the corresponding debug message for waiting!
Meme_Magician: *waits
Nerchio: maybe you print with error output instead of normal output idk?
ionutzxy: helloy guys
Liora: are you sure you didn't just forget to remove the default output of wait?
ionutzxy: how can you find out if the spell is yours or not?
Meme_Magician: @Nerchio I have been using the error output
Liora: I think both witch have the same spells?
Kathrin: use the action type to check if its yours or not
AlexisMolestos: I gonna win I know it :grin:
ionutzxy: it's also spell for the opponent
ionutzxy: should I just divide by 2?
Meme_Magician: I'm in Wood 2 right now, the only actions are 'brew' and 'wait'
ionutzxy: and get the first half?
ionutzxy: there is no simpler solution?
Kathrin: no actiontype is cast or opponent_cast (at least in wood 1) does it change later on?
ionutzxy: ah ok
ionutzxy: in wood 2 you have also spell
ionutzxy: which you can CAST
Nerchio: no you don't in wood2
Nerchio: wood2 is just brewing
Nerchio: wood1 is spells
Clagus: so the deck of spells is predefined, and also the deck of orders?
Nerchio: as far as i know orders are not predefined
ionutzxy: wood 1 sorry
Clagus: Nerchio - look here: https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
Clagus: seems like deliveries are defined
aristotelis-bobas: how do you know how many times you can cast a spell if its repeatable?
eulerscheZahl: as often as you have input stones
Clagus: don't know what are deliveries though :P
ionutzxy: you have to rest
ionutzxy: and the it will be available again
Nerchio: Clagus i don't think its delivieries
Nerchio: or maybe :o
Clagus: it seems like it has recipe + reward
tobk: Do casts always increase the "tier" of the ingredients?
DomiKo: no
BrunoFelthes: wood1 yes
tobk: seemed like it in wood 1, but probably will get more erratic in bronze, right? would have been to easy
Nerchio: Can't find some recipes there though so not sure
Clagus: Nerchio - ok, interesting
Nerchio: nvm missed it so i guess they are predefined
Clagus: yeah, I'm checking now, and can't find anything outside of this predefined deck
Clagus: nice try trolling me though :D
Clagus: but maybe they will change it later
Clagus: it would be nice to know :D
Nerchio: in ruleset i found that spells have a predefined deck but nothing said about recipes
Clagus: yeah, I know, I went to github just to check out the spells, and found more :P
NoahAnteau: hello
PatrickMcGinnisII: wood2 action is kinda nutz
tibithegreat: sorry if this was asked before, but is there a limit to the number of spells?
Meme_Magician: I figured out the next step, but still need help
Gabbek: tibithegreat nope, but there's 52 spells in a tome
Meme_Magician: It's telling me, `Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.`
Meme_Magician: But I'm reading every piece of it
tibithegreat: ok, thanks
Gabbek: Meme_Magician you're most likely outputing multiple commands in a single turn
Meme_Magician: Gabbek I checked, and each command has a debug message associated with it, so I would've seen both messages if there were multiple actions
Gabbek: Meme_Magician try to output just wait and see if you get a warning
Gabbek: WAIT command I mean
Cukinoden: why they show me this message ?
Cukinoden: "Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur."
Gabbek: same reason as above, Cukinoden
MadKnight: how do u check for 50ms in c# ?
MadKnight: Cukinoden because your code timed out ?
Gabbek: MadKnight most likely stopwatch
Meme_Magician: Gabbek Doesn't help much; now it just WAITs twice. Before, the AI clearly selected a brew potion action, then waited until next turn to produce the action
Meme_Magician: I take it Python won't be fast enough for this competition?
ParticleBeam: System.Diagnostics
tempux: if you want to be top 50, python is not fast enough
NoahAnteau: i can not figure this out:disappointed:
Meme_Magician: Gosh darn it.
Meme_Magician: Gotta recode everything in C++ now
Meme_Magician: (grouchy mumbling)
tempux: its fine it is still its day 1 :))
Meme_Magician: Yeah, I know, I just expected to be faster than this
Hjax: i bet there will be a python in the top 50
Meme_Magician: I'll be mad abt it if there is
jacek: i would still work on heuristic before switching to c++
Hjax: this game is heuristic friendly enough for python i think
Meme_Magician: jacek the only issue with my heuristic is that it's timing out the game
sadakatsu: I plan to read through the GitHub code later to try to understand the Bronze+ mechanics. My immediate question is, "What happens when the two players try to learn the same spell?" For some reason that is never explicitly stated...
cypy: memoization
Meme_Magician: Either that of I have to make the inputs match up somehow
BenjaminUrquhart: sadakatsu they both get the spell
sadakatsu: That MIGHT be stated in, "When both witches perform the same action, they both reap the rewards for that action. This applies namely to potion prices, the urgency bonus, the read-ahead tax, and learning spells," but if so, I am somehow still confused.
tempux: the spring competition I got around top 100 and there were only two other pythons better than me
tempux: you can search far enough with python, using c++ you can search so much deeper
Recovery_disaster: will the spells be the same for every league?
Gabbek: starting spells, yes
Recovery_disaster: Oh, so you get more spells later which are random ?
Gabbek: in which league are you, Recovery?
struct: There are at total 42 spells
inoryy: eulerscheZahl php?!
Recovery_disaster: still wood 1 ...
Gabbek: in bronze you unlock tome and there's total of 52 spells
Gabbek: oh, 42 - sorry
Hjax: are the recipes randomly generated
Hjax: or are there a fixed number of those too
struct: I do think recipees are random
Hjax: i wonder if this will be like locm where someone worked out how good each spell is
Hjax: and just had a fixed greedy draft order
lxnn: Is it possible to turn the suggestions box in the editor off? I couldn't find a setting for this. Might be blind... :)
MadKnight: now with stopwatch it always timeouts
sadakatsu: My current plan is to try to pick my next move as though the current options are the only ones that will ever be available ^_^;
struct: lxnn I think the most you can do is disable "accpet suggestion on enter key"
lxnn: Ah right. Thanks. Might try out the auto-uploader thing.
inoryy: Hjax https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java#L13-L92
Hjax: ah, they are hard coded
Hjax: thanks inoryy :D
inoryy: though they are randomized https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L141-L142
inoryy: the order that is
Hjax: sure, but this means theres room to do some analysis
struct: Deliveries are orders right?
Hjax: on what kind of recipes are likely / what spells help the most recipes
tutubalin: Why (1, 3, 1, 1) recipe worth 18 rupees, and (1, 1, 3, 1) worth only 16?
SpaghettiCode: omg the challenge is so cool, but I think i'm too noob... i'm already stuck at wood league lmfao
inoryy: hah, Psyho taking part in the contest
Hjax: because 1,1,3,1 tastes bad
Hjax: the customers dont like it
Hjax: psyho was really good at halite right?
Hjax: like, re curse good
inoryy: yes, he's from openAI afaik
Hjax: fun, i like seeing scary people join
kovi: not just halite. psyho is probably best topcoder marathonist
jthemphill: is the challenge a reskin of century spice road?
Gabbek: whoa :o
struct: They mentioned spice road yes jthemphill
Avrem: if you take an action, is it removed from the action input in the next read?
jthemphill: struct cool, thanks
BenjaminUrquhart: yes it is Avrem
tutubalin: Also
(2, 0, 2, 2) = 15
(2, 2, 0, 2) = 17
BenjaminUrquhart: less is more clearly
tutubalin: So tier1 is better than tier2
Hjax: spells are not removed, brews are removed
Hjax: spells just become exhausted
eulerscheZahl: inoryy PHP for hardcoding https://forum.codingame.com/t/fall-challenge-2020-bugs-questions/187495/7?u=eulerschezahl
eulerscheZahl: beats top players but fails at the bottom :(
inoryy: lol
tutubalin: Again:
(0, 0, 2, 3) = 16
(0, 2, 0, 3) = 18
BenjaminUrquhart: known bug
Hjax: it doesnt really matter of the potions have consistent values
BenjaminUrquhart: https://forum.codingame.com/t/fall-challenge-2020-bugs-questions/187495/8?u=benjaminurquhart
GiraffeKing: It's not about which ingredients go in; the potions have a random value based on their usefulness.
If a potion of "Turn this rock into solid gold" cost [0,2,0,0] and a potion of "Turn this apple into an orange" costs [1,1,3,1]; that doesn't mean turning apples to oranges is more valuable, it just means the ingredients are higher leveled.
BryanGriffiths: I just assumed potions are random values and there for I do a price vs time to make check to choose the best one
tutubalin: value is not random, it is hardcoded.
but it looks like both in receipts and book spells tier-1 and tier-2 are swapped
tobk: wow, bronze is getting quite complicated...
Waffle3z: oh wow I'm in 6th
BryanGriffiths: @tutubalin yeah I know, but at least when they fix the code my code doesn't need to change. ;)
lNitsua: I kinda wish I could do this challenge in matlab
lNitsua: matrix operations and symbolic math would make programming this so easy
Cappefra: right? hahahaha
Cappefra: Was thinking the same
Meme_Magician: Figured it
lxnn: I think numpy library is provided for Python.
Scarfield: could use numpy in python
lxnn: jinx
lNitsua: I have never worked in python
Scarfield: :zipper_mouth:
karliso: https://www.codingame.com/replay/499807936
karliso: Turn 5. It looks to me like red player manges to play non-repeatable cast repeatedly on same turn.
BryanGriffiths: weird I just see a black screen with the progress abrs showing who scored
Nerchio: shows repeatable to me karliso
Nerchio: in ui
BenjaminUrquhart: not me
BenjaminUrquhart: unless we're looking at the wrong spell
Glenn: Only one action id is given per round. How do I get the id for the other 4 orders?
BenjaminUrquhart: spell 90 is being cast that turn, it does not look repeatable
BenjaminUrquhart: https://i.nani.rocks/yr/PfcEja.png
tutubalin: karliso also i can't find when he learned this spell
Nerchio: ah I see i looked at turn 6, thats true
karliso: tutubalin Turn 4
Nerchio: he casts unrepeatable twice
karliso: yeah, looks like a bug t me
ClosetAI: Yeah I've noticed the bug with repeatable flag as well
Snap997: i hate coding :(
tutubalin: karliso ah, yes. id has changed
ClockSort: looks like items don't show as repeatable on the side panels. but they still might be. they show their repeatable state while still in the tome list.
Scarfield: they show if they are repeatable in both the tome and spell list, guessing it is a bug as well
karliso: When I read inputs from tome list it says that card is not repeatable.
Scarfield: it also shows as not repeatable in replay, he just has the power to recast it :p
Scarfield: weird, i just tried recasting a not repeatble spell, didnt work: "attempted an invalid action:
Spell 78 is not repeatable"
BenjaminUrquhart: a wild euler appeared
Scarfield: use Masterball
ClockSort: is `castable` starts at 1, then 0 if you use, then 1 when you rest?
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
eulerscheZahl: don't worry BenjaminUrquhart. euler has to go to bed soon, the cat is already waiting
lNitsua: castable also appears to always be 0 for potions
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl yes the cat is more important, better take care of that
eulerscheZahl: will do, good nicht
eulerscheZahl: night
eulerscheZahl: i hate blind typing, laggy chat
Icebox: going to sleep already?
Zilvester: Looking at the Github code, I see the source for the spells. But has anybody found a static list of "brews" (or are they randomly generated)? I'm trying to calculate the relative frequencies of the different ingredients.
eulerscheZahl: i urgently need an alt, first thing tomorrow :D
Icebox: wait, why alt?
BenjaminUrquhart: secret alt or no
eulerscheZahl: why aren't you a chat mod icebox?
Cappefra: I gotta say I wasn't expecting to have to perform matrix inversion
BenjaminUrquhart: probably to test against
Icebox: I don't know, why am I not?
eulerscheZahl: there are like 2k users on the chat. and a mod can see all of them. causes a huge lag
eulerscheZahl: i even switched to firefox for chatting as chromium keeps crashing
Scarfield: a mod breaking the rules openly :o
Gabbek: euler, damn you :p stop beating my randomness! :D
eulerscheZahl: i have random too
eulerscheZahl: but i seeded my RNG
MadKnight: because Icebox only comes for contests?
Gabbek: oh, that's too powerful, hehe
eulerscheZahl: so, good night for real now
Gabbek: good night
Scarfield: 7, 8
Icebox: MadKnight thats not true
Icebox: I've been grinding golf for the last 2 weeks as well
Icebox: got to top 5 on py on thor
Gabbek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4358e4ea-fd6e-4119-8a57-26bb26d8d3d5
Gabbek: omg
Gabbek: this copy
Gabbek: delete this link please! :(
Zilvester: cancel my last question - found it
BenjaminUrquhart: quick, someone send 20 messages so it gets lost
Gabbek: hdhsj
Gabbek: vncxnx
Gabbek: hsfhsd
Scarfield: xD
Zilvester: like this...
BenjaminUrquhart: I was joking
Gabbek: any mod around to delete it please?
struct: We can't delete it sorry
BenjaminUrquhart: can't delete chat messages
Scarfield: i dont think you can delete a message
struct: At least its not full code
Scarfield: yea, and early in the contest
Andriamanitra: in wood league i think yes, after that it gets more complicated
Gabbek: https://www.codingame.com/replay/499838817 turn 37 basic spell gets thrown out?
AntiSquid: just ping Automaton2000 and AutomatonNN a few times
ParticleBeam: I wonder if quoting the "jabberwocky" would be enough
Gabbek: *confused*
Andriamanitra: oh i was scrolled waaayyy up
Automaton2000: i thought about it and i have a simple eval
AutomatonNN: why not make the league of really slow on the boss?
Scarfield: phew
tutubalin: karliso interesting thing: according to referee code, when you learn a spell, it becomes repeatable automatically
BenjaminUrquhart: hm
AntiSquid: only some spells are repeatable though right? or is that a bug?
Gabbek: how do I lose a basic spell on turn 37? :(
tomatoes: thats only player
tomatoes: visual
Gabbek: ohh
Gabbek: okey, thanks a lot tomatoes
Scarfield: yea tried casting a spell twice, didnt work, so its not a bug for all spells at least
PatrickMcGinnisII: damnit, does a casting sequence always exist to find a brew?
AntiSquid: my mental image of that username: https://www.spendwithpennies.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SWP-SpendWithPennies-Tomato-Salad-27.jpg
AntiSquid: every time .
PatrickMcGinnisII: So it took a boss 21 turns to brew, holy hell
AntiSquid: well it's wood
AntiSquid: also 1800 people in wood @_@
AntiSquid: 2500 bots on first day that's something special
Scarfield: yea, more than most contest has had for participants overall iirc?
natec360: well I'm straight up bad so that's why I'm in wood
lNitsua: covid got people hoping this game will get them a job
PatrickMcGinnisII: I at least thought wood1 would be a depth 0 casting solution for a brew
AntiSquid: pacman had close to 5k Scarfield . well actually pacman was most popular contest
Scarfield: wood usually is just about implementing the rules of the game, stategy starts at bronze
Hjax: pacman has already been dethroned in terms of signups
tutubalin: AntiSquid this is a bug with repeatable: https://forum.codingame.com/t/fall-challenge-2020-bugs-questions/187495/13?u=tutubalin
AntiSquid: depends, you have all rules in bronze so imo that's where you start implementing the rules, wood is to get familiar with the game
PatrickMcGinnisII: a depth 20 casting solution with rests may be unnattainable for alot of people
Scarfield: yea it seems i recalled incorrectly :p
tutubalin: Scarfield this bug is for learnt spells only. doesn't affect default spells
Scarfield: oh, for every learnt spell then? still in wood so i cant test
AntiSquid: nah you do you Scarfield . but imo you have to redo a lot if there's a new rule added
Astrobytes: Not sure if I'm motivated to even continue lol
Hjax: whats wrong astro?
Astrobytes: I don't like it :P
Scarfield: i meant recalled incorrectly about the no. of participants, i pretty much meant what you said about wood squiddy, just phrased it badly
Hjax: D:
Astrobytes: It's like CalM + C4L, neither of which I liked
Scarfield: CastroBytes
Hjax: yeah definitely seems like those two games mixed together
Astrobytes: RecallField
PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6c59b24b-1eaa-40de-a331-621b02884bdd
AntiSquid: i don't see the CalM part
Scarfield: xD
BenjaminUrquhart: C4L but less state machine
AntiSquid: i liked a la mode
Scarfield: total recallField
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: I'll probably have a go at it but I'm not keen
AntiSquid: i guess the recipes aspect ?
Astrobytes: yep
Paluke: Help please: I am trying to do this challenge in TS. How to set type for readline() and printerr() ? I am stuck.
PatrickMcGinnisII: cast 78 cast 79 rest cast 79 rest cast 79 rest cast 79 rest cast 79 brew 0 is some BS!
PatrickMcGinnisII: for wood1
Paluke: It was simply `/* globals readline, printErr */` in plain JS
AntiSquid: i still have yet to sort by recipe and add pathing to my CALM bot so ... maybe the recipe sorting isn't most important part of this game either
Paluke: I get "Cannot find name 'readline'." error
lNitsua: what's easier, learning python and numpy, or getting good enough at c to figure out how to program matrix math
Hjax: python + numpy is definitely easier
AntiSquid: python ofc
Astrobytes: quicker for sure
Hjax: better is up to debate, but certainly easier
lNitsua: guess it's time to learn python
lNitsua: thanks
AntiSquid: even doing machine learning in python is easier than mastering C :D
Astrobytes: *quicker to learn I mean
BenjaminUrquhart: lmao that bottom spell https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/499863096
dreadylein: also mastering c normaly means messing up slightly less then all the other :D
BenjaminUrquhart: frame 34+
Andriamanitra: no such thing as "mastering C", the language is so dead simple you can learn all of it in a couple days
RohanasaurusRex: so how long have you guys been programming for?
BenjaminUrquhart: a time
RohanasaurusRex: nice
RohanasaurusRex: lol
dreadylein: @Andriamanitra the same is true for asm, but both also give you all the tools to shoot into your own foot reeealy easy :P
Astrobytes: Benjamin was born in the JVM
Astrobytes: :P
inoryy: that reminds me of https://i.imgur.com/Qfjgm8h.png
Gabbek: Hjax seems like getting stuck with having lots of ways of generating 3 but not 4 tiers is really painful, gotta pick those spells nicely :|
BenjaminUrquhart: you don't know me
BenjaminUrquhart: I started in python
BenjaminUrquhart: smh
Astrobytes: lol inoryy
dreadylein: lol inorry :D
Astrobytes: calm down Benjamin it was a joke
Astrobytes: So toucheh
BenjaminUrquhart: I know
Gabbek: haha, that's a good one inorry
BenjaminUrquhart: I have difficulty with tone in text so yeah that came off a bit aggressive
BenjaminUrquhart: mb
Astrobytes: Benjamin was born in a snake ;)
dreadylein: the thing with asking , how long are you coding is, tons of people feel old about 3 seconds after its asked :P
Scarfield: xD
SamSev: hello
dreadylein: hi
Astrobytes: no agression or anything intended in the slightest BenjaminUrquhart
BenjaminUrquhart: think this is my 5th year programming
Scarfield: agrestroBytes
BenjaminUrquhart: Astrobytes the aggression was on my end, not yours
Andriamanitra: i've been programming 10-ish years, never regularly enough to get good though
BenjaminUrquhart: :upside_down:
Astrobytes: case in point then :D
Gabbek: inoryy you're doing search or something random, if I may ask?
AntiSquid: i see i should focus on reversing aging instead of being here
dreadylein: ;)
inoryy: no search, bunch of greedy decisions that fit in < 100 loc
Scarfield: it takes 40 years to do so apperently
Gabbek: interesting
AntiSquid: you have all of eternity afterwards
inoryy: pick a potion to brew first then build your invertory for it
RohanasaurusRex: ok thank you i was just curious because im pretty new
PatrickMcGinnisII: AntiSquid find a way to synth https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Adrenochrome and make a B $
Andriamanitra: you seem to have a pretty good score without doing search, this gives me hope :D
inoryy: I wouldn't read too much into it, people writing search are busy debugging their segfaults
Andriamanitra: i don't have a search either and i am 100% sure i won't be able to write one for this either
Gabbek: ^-- indeed
inoryy: I would be surprised if my bot would get through to silver without changes
Avrem: is this the global chat? or wood chat
BenjaminUrquhart: global
Scarfield: global
BenjaminUrquhart: there's no such thing as league-specific chats
Scarfield: the chat name is viewed in the top "world" :)
struct: silver is only in 4 days
struct: But I think if you are currently top 5 you should be safe
Avrem: not gonna lie, the IDE makes it hard to debug
Jdools05: I just started the challenge, can someone explain to me what the second for loop does? I know it is used for the inventory, but why does it loop twice?
Scarfield: just write your code in Word, its where its at
Scarfield: for both players
Scarfield: Jdools05
dreadylein: 2 player
BenjaminUrquhart: second time around is opponent inventory
v1993: One for your inventory, once for your enemy's
Hjax: what happens if you try to cast a spell that produces more resources than you have room for
BenjaminUrquhart: fails
Fosfen: it fails
Hjax: ah cant cast at all?
Hjax: ok
BenjaminUrquhart: nope
Jdools05: ah thank you, i did not know that
struct: wait what?
Scarfield: i thought it only discharded what couldnt fit?
BenjaminUrquhart: too little space means no spell
Jdools05: thats probably why my code was selecting weird spells
BenjaminUrquhart: that's only for learning from tome
struct: if you dont have space for the resources that the spell generates it fails?
Hjax: the tax is discarded when it wont fit
Scarfield: ooh
Hjax: rules dont say anything about spell outputs
Fosfen: Is a graph approach a good idea for this challenge ?
BenjaminUrquhart: yeah discard only applies to tome tax
BenjaminUrquhart: Fosfen depends on what you want to do, I use a graph only because that's what I'm used to and it's working pretty well so far
Fosfen: Thanks
Andriamanitra: i think graph would be the most logical way to approach it, but that said it's not what i did at all :D
Gabbek: so how do leagues work in contest? One of the codes get's chosen from bronze, like the top 20%ish or something?
struct: yes
hem123: Question for the fall challenge
hem123: how can one use cast id times if you need to rest after the use of a spell
Scarfield: somes spells are repeatable
Hurda: Gabbek - every tiem you submit you play against everyone in the league. Each league has a boss (AI) - you have to have better score than teh boss to pass up
ParticleBeam: I believe you can cast it multiple times in one round after which it gets exhausted
hem123: @Scarfield is there a limit on repeats?
Gabbek: repeats has no limit, apart from your inventory space
Scarfield: afaik your inventory
struct: Hjax https://www.codingame.com/replay/499881546
struct: I guess this answers it
ParticleBeam: I think its only limited by the amount of ingredients you have
Gabbek: but it'll get exhausted after using it
Gabbek: Hurda thanks a lot :)
struct: "struct attempted an invalid action:
Not enough space in inventory for spell 86"
Scarfield: hem123 no need for "@" in chat here, also you can autocomplete usernames: scar[tab] -> Scarfield
hem123: ta
RockyMullet: I dont understand tax
struct: Rocky
struct: so from bot to top
struct: if you want imagine 3rd spell
struct: 1st and 2nd get taxed + 1 each
Cappefra: the tome is wild...
struct: with tier 0 igredients
ParticleBeam: You can learn the first item from a tome for free. If you want to skip to learn the next one, you have to pay a tier-0 ingredient per skip.
ParticleBeam: You can learn the first item from a tome for free. If you want to skip to learn the next one, you have to pay a tier-0 ingredient per skip.
RockyMullet: so I need to spend 2 tier 0 ^
struct: When someone picks that spell they get those igredients
RockyMullet: oooooh
struct: Yes
RockyMullet: you should be writting the statement lol
RockyMullet: thanks
struct: np
Scarfield: interesting kind of tax, it gets payed back to whoever buys the next product
tutubalin: i find tier-X term a bit anti-ergonomic.
we'd better choose other terms like Blue, Green, Orange, Yellow.
or D, C, B, A
Scarfield: damn my spelling is way off today
Gabbek: the tax thing is really interesting
Scarfield: yea, seems like there are some strats in the tax/inventory department
Gabbek: yeah, started collecting tax - looks really good
Gabbek: apart from ahem inventory management which I dont have :D
Gabbek: suddenly losing pretty much all via full inventory, hehe
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: the tax collector struggling from succes
Doju: Does anybody know what all of the possible actions are?
struct: Learn, Cast, Rest and Brew
Paluke: How to make Typescript ignore readline and printErr?
Doju: I mean in terms of values
Remus_: Can I test on a specific seed? My code doesn't pick anything in like 1 out of 30 battles. :(
Paluke: in plain JS it was /* globals readline, printErr */
struct: Remus_ you can
Xenoid: The action types are "CAST", "OPPONENT_CAST", "LEARN", and "BREW"
struct: enable expert mode on settings
struct: then you can choose seed
Doju: yes thank you, but i mean like deltas for example
Doju: what are all of the possible deltas
Doju: there has to be a fixed amount, right?
Remus_: Thanks! :)
tutubalin: Doju https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
Doju: Oh nice, that's exactly what i was looking for. thanks tutubalin
Gabbek: tax collecting seems to be very powerful, just need to manage your inventory well enough :|
tutubalin: Doju it may change a bit soon. so keep an eye on it
Icebox: wait a minute
Icebox: I've read the chat about repeatable spells being bugged
Icebox: but how exactly?
Icebox: now I'm scared to implement it
Gabbek: Icebox the other way around - non-repeatable are repeatable
Icebox: and repeatable aren't?
Gabbek: which should not be the case (but dunno exactly how it works, just seen it being mentioned earlier)
Gabbek: repeatable are
Scarfield: learned spells are apparently bugged, all repeatable(?)
Icebox: so basically all spells are repeatable except the starting ones?
struct: yes Scarfield
Scarfield: i think so
struct: Icebox its bugged
Gabbek: yes, but that's a bug
Scarfield: i know so * :p
Icebox: nah nah struct
Icebox: it's a feature
Scarfield: xD
inoryy: as long as you rely on repeatable flag from inputs you'll be fine even after it's fixed
Icebox: I knew that Oioi was hacking
Icebox: kappa
Icebox: dude made the bug into a feature
Icebox: literally
Scarfield: its cost effective!
Scarfield: free turns ftw
Gabbek: well, I must say that contests are really fun!
Gabbek: this is my first one and I'm having a blast; such a friendly community and awesome conversations, a huge thank you to everyone :)
Scarfield: :muscle:
Gabbek: Hjax have you started with the contest?
MadKnight: he already got bronze
casmith789: what's the silver/gold/legend leagues for?
KleinesAtom93: Is it possible to already get promoted to silver or is everyone in the bronze league atm? Sorry, my first contest :X
casmith789: it says they are locked until the 16th
BenjaminUrquhart: silver opens later
Xenoid: For glory, @casmith789. They will open later in the week
Scarfield: highest league currently is bronze, silver will open in 4 days
Gabbek: KleinesAtom93 it will be open on 16th
KleinesAtom93: alright, ty! :)
casmith789: do you just get promoted if you do well in bronze then? when it opens
inoryy: aim for top~30% if you want to get auto-promoted
Xenoid: The highest ranked players in Bronze will form the Silver league when it opens, and other players can get promoted by beating the boss, which is usually derived from the highest ranked player in Bronze at the cut
Scarfield: KleinesAtom93 if you click on the League symbol next to "Fall Challenge 2020" you can always see when the next league will open
Icebox: screenshot collection extended
Icebox: #1
Gabbek: hehe, congrats
RockyMullet: this submit got me from ~500th to 21st, I'd say it's a good submit :)
dreadylein: grats :)
inoryy: nice
Gabbek: RockyMullet beautiful! :)
RockyMullet: fixed my spell learning, I didnt realized it had such a big impact haha
RockyMullet: inoryy 11th ! doing good :)
inoryy: thanks!
Gabbek: https://www.codingame.com/replay/499930095
Gabbek: so that's how you use repeatable actions...
Gabbek: *amazed*
Doju: I just don't have the same excitement over this game compared to the spring challenge...
RockyMullet: oooh thats how
Gabbek: but I'm confused - is free green supposed to be repeatable?
Remus_: wow
Gabbek: doesn't say so on the tooltip, hmm
RockyMullet: oh drifted 15th, the CG gods are too good with me
Gabbek: hehe, hi Rocky :D
Gabbek: let's hold the ground together :P
Doju: Do you guys already have working searches?
RockyMullet: next to each other, gatekeeping the top
RockyMullet: me not yet, but im only 16th
Gabbek: so apparently people are using all spells as repeatable now
RockyMullet: gotta read how this thing work
RockyMullet: but it's probably not useful before you get a search
Gabbek: pretty sure it's bugged - even those spells which have no repeatable tag
Gabbek: are being repeated
RockyMullet: pretty sure Romka already has one
Gabbek: unless I'm missing something crucial
inoryy: it's bugged https://forum.codingame.com/t/fall-challenge-2020-bugs-questions/187495/13
Gabbek: thank you for the link, let me have a look
Gabbek: oh, well that kills that insane performance, sure - still need to devise a plan how to even go about search
Gabbek: but that atleast explains it a bit, thank you inoryy
Icebox: lmao I got to 100% dropping only 2 out of 70 games
Icebox: one against 2nd and one against 5th
Icebox: and I ruined it
Gabbek: Icebox are you using repeatable actions?
Icebox: yes
Gabbek: just wondering
DomiKo: i need to debug my :(
Gabbek: with spells that are not repeatable, correct?
Icebox: I got 1st without that
Icebox: but this "flex" submit inclused that, yes
Icebox: included*
Gabbek: fair enough, was curious, thanks :)
DomiKo: we can feel the diference
inoryy: weird flex but ok
Icebox: ah, a fellow youngster
inoryy: insert matt damon meme here
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPWJOJYVKc
inoryy: lol I meant this one https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/852/325/8d6.gif
Recovery_disaster: Can I get the urgend bonus from the input, or do I need to calculate it myself?
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/499940489
DomiKo: I'm close to you Icebox
azh412: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Icebox: I'll keep the spot 1 warm for you DomiKo
Icebox: come and get it
DomiKo: mmmm
DomiKo: I have to check if I will timeout or not
DomiKo: and I guess I have somebugs
DomiKo: :(
DomiKo: give me sometime
PatrickMcGinnisII: more movement in wood1 than i have seen in awhile
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/replay/499947807
DomiKo: what happend there
DomiKo: he had 50 points
DomiKo: made 18 points potion
DomiKo: and boom 69 points
Gabbek: you get +1 point for all tier-1 and higher ingrements
Gabbek: in your inventory
DomiKo: ohhhhhh
Gabbek: quote: "Players gain 1 rupee for each tier-1 ingredient or higher in their inventory."
Subsage: after each action, we get orders *up to some number*, but what about ingredients? Do they also refill, and at what rate, if any?
Gabbek: oh, so if I'm not mistaken -- all learned spells are repeatable at the moment? :(
Gabbek: Subsage which league are we talking about?
Subsage: 2nd one, just unlocked spells
Gabbek: ingredients don't refill at all, you have to cast spells in order to gain additional resources
Gabbek: from wood 1 and onwards
Subsage: so if I were to exhaust my inventory, that's it for me then? Just hardlocked
Drallieiv: Is that me or does it return "attempted an invalid action:
Tried to cast an opponent's spell..."
If I try to cast one of my spell that will make me over 10 ingredients
Gabbek: not at all - you have the basic spell of creating 2 tier-0 ingredients
Gabbek: (and spell becomes exhausted, but you can use rest action in order to make all spells available again)
Subsage: I see, but nonetheless, all generation of inventory is from our own actions. Interesting, thanks for the info!
Gabbek: aye, from our actions indeed, you're welcome :)
SpaghettiCode: lol how tf am i top 10 in wood 1
SpaghettiCode: my bot is terrible
ivan44: what's the purpose of `OPPONENT_CAST`?
Drallieiv: you could see if the opponent can snipe the potion you plan on doing before u
Drallieiv: if he can do it in 2 turns, while you need 3, you now the client may disappear first
Luca_Poda: someone know why happen this? "attempted an invalid action:
Command does not match action, expected 'CAST' but got 'BREW'"
Xenoid: You have to brew potions and cast spells
Luca_Poda: Ok thank you but why does the program tell me to cast and not to brew?
Xenoid: Most likely, because you output a command like 'BREW 17' but 17 was the ID of a spell, not a potion
Luca_Poda: Ok thanks you so much
Xenoid: No problem
Zenoscave: Finally got a chance to sit down for the challenge
Gabbek: hello Zeno
PatrickMcGinnisII: good, push me out of wood1 plz
Zenoscave: Hi noname
Zenoscave: Hi PatrickMcGinnisII
dreadylein: hi
SpaghettiCode: is it possible to be demoted from a league?
Zenoscave: no SpaghettiCode
SpaghettiCode: nice
Gabbek: how's going RockyMullet?
RockyMullet: found a bug in my learning stuff, scrashing my head so far
Hjax: Zenoscave same, unfair europeans get a head start, i was at work all day :P
RockyMullet: oh you gave me 3 victory, really nice of you :P
Zenoscave: I was moving a friend into a new appratment
Zenoscave: no work currnetly
Gabbek: haha, yeah enjoy :D trying some experiments and this one seems to be quite a bad one
LastRick: That leap in difficulty from Wood 2 to 1 shocked me.
Samer: hey guys, is the list of spells always constant?
tomatoes: yes, but shuffled
RockyMullet: 100% win in 20 games, submit looking good :D
Gabbek: good luck RockyMullet!
RockyMullet: first lost at 27 games :cry:
Gabbek: gonna gift you some wins, hehe :P
RockyMullet: ty for the generous gift :P
RockyMullet: lost 3 times in a row against icebox
RockyMullet: lol i pushed icebox first
Ille-Stream: Damn, top 3 is in a different league
RockyMullet: aaand lost against romka, everything back to normal lol
Gabbek: seems like I'll be stuck around #20 ish for now
Gabbek: just losing too much games against top 10
Ille-Stream: Stream ended top 13 \o/
RockyMullet: gj
dreadylein: grats :)
Gabbek: great job Ille-Stream :)
Ille-Stream: Oh, wrong account. brb
Illedan: :)
RockyMullet: stabilized 11th :D
Gabbek: nice!
RockyMullet: strating to smell like sim/search, I doubt I can cheat my way higher than that
Illedan: agreed
Gabbek: same here, unless you manage to get a really good inventory management
Gabbek: then you probably can cheat a bit higher
RockyMullet: Illedan will you submit your stream code on Illedan ?
Subsage: looking at leader board, is the number with arrows the score?
Illedan: Sure, but gotta fix it first. Not going to accept worse than top 10 :P
RockyMullet: see you in 3 days lol
RockyMullet: jk jk
Illedan: I'll leave stream code though, as a reference
ClockSort: how do i view matches between the top players?
Illedan: leaderboard => last battles => watch
RockyMullet: Subsage yes, thats how the ranking is done
Illedan: ClockSort, you need to go to the contest landing page and not the IDE
Gabbek: Rocky - I thought I'm gonna go high but it seems I'm getting a bit stuck with inventory against low, so dropping tons of ranks :D
Subsage: Thanks Rocky
RockyMullet: whats wrong with your inventory ?
RockyMullet: np
Gabbek: likes to get stuck with tier3 or tier4 :D
ClockSort: um, it looks like top players are repeating non-repeatable spells?
ClockSort: is that a bug?
Gabbek: yes
Gabbek: but it kind of happens naturally if you try to implement repeatable because of the bug
John.Pop: Does any one action cost the same amount of time?
RockyMullet: oh yeah, I could still cheat my way up by implementing repeat cast
Gabbek: true
RockyMullet: ooooh I see sneaky people abusing the bug of repeating non repeatable spells
RockyMullet: that could help too
Illedan: Oh, you can repeat them all? :P
DomiKo: dont do that ;(
Gabbek: Illedan yeah
RockyMullet: from what i understand the bug is, if you cast a repeatable first, you can repeat all of them after, even non repeatable
MattSOrme: If its a bug then how about just not using it? since it'll get patched anyway?
ZarthaxX: for the lolz
RockyMullet: the lolz are fun yes
ZarthaxX: and also for the carne master
Gabbek: I guess I'll try to defend top 20 with my randomness
RockyMullet: anyway im not even using the ones that are not a bug
ZarthaxX: Gabbek gl :P
Icebox: RockyMullet no I don't think it works like that
Icebox: I think you can cast all non-repeatables repeatedly as long as those are not your starting ones
Gabbek: yeah, think that's how it works
RockyMullet: im confused again
Gabbek: all spells learned from tome are repeatable
Gabbek: and worse - all of them will appear with the flag if I'm not mistaken, right?
RockyMullet: ok so its just casting the same spell, i get it now
Gabbek: well - you can cast any, as long as it's not a starting one :p
Gabbek: seems like randomly saying defender of 25 works - rank #26, haha
MarekM: hi, it just me in python, or everyone lose 33ms out of 50 just for reading mandatory inputs?
Gabbek: tell me about your results Rocky, if you'll try repeats
MattSOrme: @MarekM
MattSOrme: When are you starting your clock?
Gabbek: MattSOrme found the merger useful, or using a single file atm?
MattSOrme: @Gabbek single file atm. I'm going to re-format everything and start again on the weekend
MarekM: after while True:
Gabbek: poke me if you would need help using it, I'll be around on the weekend MattSOrme
MattSOrme: @MarekM move it to after the first input
Jdools05: anyone know how to open a private chat i closed on accident? I didnt have them as a friend and i dont remember the specifics of their username
MarekM: @MattSOrme looks much better, thank You
Jdools05: it was like Rwillson something...
Astrobytes: use the search at the top
Astrobytes: then message them if you recognise the right username
LastRick: its in the top if you're not on a puzzle
Astrobytes: ^
Surina_Kaiba_Quinn: Hello, just unlocked chat and wanted to say hi.:relaxed:
Gabbek: Hello BrandonRobertBerg-Mcdougald :)
Subsage: that's a big name
ZarthaxX: autogenerated
ClockSort: are you allowed to pay the tax with the taxcount you collect from LEARN?
BrunoFelthes: no
ZarthaxX: that's given after
ClockSort: IRS lets me do it
Andriamanitra: i've won 9/10 clashes since i accidentally missed one and finished last... still not back to the rank i was before that
Andriamanitra: this is brutal T_T
zeeton_red: lol... adding random rest to clear wood1 feels so naughty. Anyway will start work on bronze tomorrow.
zeeton_red: good night and gl hf everyone
Zhmyh: Anyone knows if there will be an increase of potions count for game over in the higher leagues?
Zhmyh: I mean silver+
Zenoscave: I had a ternary switched. was scoring all completeable brews as 0
Zenoscave: lol
Gabbek: ouch, good catch though!
icecream17: just joined
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave F
RockyMullet: nooooo timeout
ZarthaxX: F x2
Zenoscave: 80% of my losses are timeouts
RockyMullet: wow all my lost are from timeout
RockyMullet: gotta fix that
Zhmyh: Wtf did you already do to get a timeout? xD
Icebox: I'm already getting timeouts since an hour
Icebox: xD
Zenoscave: hush icebox
Zhmyh: U mean 1 AM or T+1 since the beginning?
Zenoscave: 1st place should never timeout
Icebox: LET ME BE PROUD OF MY TIMEOUTS
Icebox: PEW PEW
Zenoscave: PEW PEW PEW PEW
RockyMullet: ok some bugs in here lol
RockyMullet: PEW PEW
Icebox: Zhmyh since an hour ago*
Icebox: forgot a word
Zhmyh: Oh
RockyMullet: actually my timeout is a crash, so "better?" I guess
Zenoscave: "better" lol
RockyMullet: stabilized 7th !
RockyMullet: :D
Gabbek: :D holy molly
Hjax: wow the repeatable potions are really bugged arent they
Hjax: er, spells *
Gabbek: yeah, they really are
Icebox: repeatable potions :o
Hjax: https://www.codingame.com/replay/500023291
Gabbek: RockyMullet I'm between 10-40 with my random heurestics
Hjax: first turn both bots grab a non repeatable and cast it 5 times
Hjax: amazing
DomiKo: :sweat_smile:
Gabbek: oddly enough I think it could work, atleast for now; just need to tweak some numbers
Gabbek: getting closer to you :P
Gabbek: I must admit - I've never felt so clueless as in this multi
Gabbek: I have no idea what I'm doing :D
RockyMullet: fixed my crash, time for a resubmit :triumph:
Gabbek: oh noes, here comes #1 Rocky
RockyMullet: I was crashing against romka sadly :P
RockyMullet: wasnt*
Zenoscave: RIP
RockyMullet: damn, also have a bug where I do nothing
kreska: Hi everybody I have a question. Can one potion consists of more than 6 ingredients or this is max because from the game visualisation it looks like there can be max 6 ingredients per potion?
DomiKo: its max
Gabbek: kreska 6 is the max
kreska: thank you very much for quick answer!!
RockyMullet: lol knowledge is power
https://www.codingame.com/replay/500028919
Zenoscave: Rocky how many do you win in first 30 matches?
Gabbek: I would say about 90%
RockyMullet: I lost twice in first 80, this game being one
RockyMullet: I think I lock myself with a full inventory
Gabbek: #14 here and about 10-15 loses in 75ish games, so I guess Rocky must be around 5ish
Gabbek: oh, I was wrong :D
RockyMullet: still losing to Romka :unamused:
BenjaminUrquhart: looks like I need to start doing stuff
icecream17: what only 2
RockyMullet: ok fixed it I think, RESUBMIT !
Zenoscave: top 200. not base for 1.5 hours
Zenoscave: err top ~200
RockyMullet: icebox raining on my party
RockyMullet: hum i think my fix made it worse
lNitsua: I've never used python before, but figured this was told this was the best time for me to learn because of the linear algebra capabilities. I just finished my bronze bot and was wondering if anyone could just look at the code and tell me if I made any python fau paux's
lNitsua: https://pastebin.com/ySRybCSD
icecream17: 4 people pormotiong
lNitsua: I'm not really asking for bot advice, just python tips/advice/mistakes I made
lNitsua: but tips are always welcome
RockyMullet: what ???
https://www.codingame.com/replay/500036614
RockyMullet: my opponent timeout and then I lose ?
Gabbek: oh lol
Gabbek: he got 2 points for having tier-1+ items in inventory
Hjax: known bug
Gabbek: that's even better hack than repeating spells :D
Hjax: well im almost done formatting the inputs in a way i like
Hjax: maybe ill get something that runs before i go to bed lol
RockyMullet: 100% win in 26 games, looking good
Hjax: what are you doing right now rocky? just some heuristics?
Hjax: or do you have something more fancy already?
Waffle3z: pretty tedious to figure out what exact move the opponent made
RockyMullet: hard to say how fancy it is
RockyMullet: probably still in heuristic territory
RockyMullet: 3 lost to Romka, he wants to assert dominance
RockyMullet: 4 lost
RockyMullet: 5, please staph
Waffle3z: trying to keep track of that +3 bonus which means I need to know if the opponent and I both brewed the #1 potion at the same time
AbsentMoon: Since you may play either the red or blue witch, how do I know which inventory to track?
Hjax: your inventory is always given first
Hjax: regardless of which witch you are
RockyMullet: 7 lost to romka, not a single game against icebox
Gabbek: aww
Gabbek: you were too good :p
Gabbek: so you ended up playing against romka all the time, hehe
RockyMullet: icebox is scared of my beautiful mullet thats why
RockyMullet: 9 lost against romka, still no game against icebox, not understanding how it works lol
RockyMullet: oh no lsot to icebox in the end
Andriamanitra: oh no i've ran into the dreaded flood fill clash
Andriamanitra: why is this a thing ;_;
RockyMullet: hum, im still fulling my inventory some times
RockyMullet: https://www.codingame.com/replay/500041066
Chloris: hows day1?
RockyMullet: laggy lol
Gabbek: tough, feeling clueless :)
RockyMullet: trying to have fun before people smarter than me crushs my hopes and dreams
Chloris: lol
RockyMullet: stabilized 6th, seems fair :D
Chloris:
👍
solaimanope: How do you upload java project that has multiple files into the competiton?
Xenoid: I don't think that is possible
BenjaminUrquhart: you put it all into 1 file
hito: I remember a past challange had starter kits for some languages - is there a python3 starter kit this time around?
BenjaminUrquhart: no
BenjaminUrquhart: have fun
icecream17: somehow i'm stuck with a bug that's hard to find already
lNitsua: is numpy capable of symbolics, or is sympy usable in this?
Icebox: unfortunately nor
Icebox: not*
icecream17: my code keeps thinking that green is tier 2 and i cant figure out why
lNitsua: my only real approach to this is linear algebra, and the only way I can think to solve with more than 4 spells is symbolically. You all are using linear algebra, right?
icecream17: i'm still in Wood 1
Waffle3z: I'm doing BFS
BenjaminUrquhart: ^ just a search
Gabbek: random
lNitsua: that sucks to hear, I was excited for this one cause EVERY contest uses bfs
Waffle3z: linear combination would require casting negative spells
lNitsua: How?
Icebox: it's funny you mention sympy lNitsua
Waffle3z: unless you mean something other than solving a system of linear equations
Waffle3z: actually that's not how to approach this anyway
lNitsua: that's exactly what I mean. You can sum the affect of each spell into the neccessary amount for a potion, then solve for constants, which are casts of each spell
Waffle3z: yeah maybe that is a better approach than bfs
lNitsua: works fine for the first 4 spells, it would fail without symbolics after learning a new spell
lNitsua: Icebox why?
Icebox: I remember talking with [CG]Thibaud about improving python and what's the best way to do it at the start of 2019 and I specifically mentioned sympy https://imgur.com/qyH8IA8
Icebox: but either intentionally or not that addition was skipped over :D
lNitsua: I'm much more proficient in matlab so I made a draft in it, and it gave me the appropriate amount. Now I just need to move it to python
Waffle3z: bfs is still good for finding the shortest path, which may include a detour through LEARN
Icebox: .
lNitsua: tbh this challenge would be borderline broken with sympy imo
Waffle3z: or a creative usage of some other spell that avoids a REST
Icebox: lNitsua that is unfortunately not true
Icebox: even with sympy, someone who reimplements the same math in C++ will just outperform your code with a factor of 100 if not more
lNitsua: Waffle3z my first thought is that you could do a run through of the available spells and see if they're more "efficient" than the base. Including them in a linear equation should include the shortcut
Icebox: that's why I wanted sympy added
icecream17: aaaa it was a typo!!!!
icecream17: YES the bug was fixed!!!
Gabbek: congrats icecream17
lNitsua: That's fair, as far as the coding goes I'm out of my league here. I know cpp is far faster, but I don't see any reasonable ways to include symbolics in cpp
BenjaminUrquhart: roll your own :upside_down:
lNitsua: or solve the equations without syms. But I'll be working on that part for the next few days I guess
Waffle3z: something like 4 tier 0 -> 1 tier 4 and 1 tier 4 -> 5 tier 0 has a net gain of +1 tier 0 but still requires that you have 4 in the first place
PatrickMcGinnisII: wow, typo...i shoul dhave never reached bronze
RohanasaurusRex: You guys seem really experienced so I was just wondering what language you think I should learn next(I've already learnt Python and C). I'm thinking maybe Javascript or C++. Thanks
Icebox: C++ unless you're a web developer
Gabbek: whoa, my random's 17 and there's still some games left
RohanasaurusRex: Oh thank you
Xenoid: Those are both good choices. Java would also be a good choice
Gabbek: going :o
RohanasaurusRex: Yeah thanks
PatrickMcGinnisII: say no to JS... java
Icebox: say no to java... kotlin
Waffle3z: is java better than other languages for something?
lNitsua: I'm confused on what your example there proves, waffle3z
Waffle3z: there are some initial conditions necessary for any given sequence of spells to be possible
BenjaminUrquhart: Waffle3z not really other than an intermediary between python and C/C++ in terms of speed
BenjaminUrquhart: at least imo
lNitsua: yeah of course, but because the initial spell gives 2 for free, the math would allow it to be done
Waffle3z: why would you want an intermediary in terms of speed, that sounds like a disadvantage
PatrickMcGinnisII: I learned Fortran, never used it beyond academia
Gabbek: you have to manage your inventory size
Gabbek: that's very important
BenjaminUrquhart: my inventory seems to manage itself
BenjaminUrquhart: somehow
Gabbek: it feels like top10 is where you need repeating spells
lNitsua: is there a cap on the number of times you can cast a repeatable spell in one turn?
lNitsua: aside from soft limits?
BenjaminUrquhart: don't think so
Gabbek: nope, only inventory space is your limit
BenjaminUrquhart: as long as you have space
lNitsua: ty
BenjaminUrquhart: Gabbek your bot is a spell hoarder
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/500059556
Gabbek: I don't have any search so it's still not really all that useful tbh :D
Gabbek: I've just watched my losses and could've won about half of them with search :/ hmm
dauom: how do you get promoted from league to league?
For instance I'm in bronze but I don't know how to figure out when I will be promoted or what the criteria are
BenjaminUrquhart: when you finish placement above the boss for the league
Gabbek: silver league will unlock on 16th
BenjaminUrquhart: right now there's no boss because the next league isn't open
dauom: I see... that was confused me, not seeing any boss in this league
dauom: Thanks
Gabbek: BenjaminUrquhart just tried with 20ish spells, it's funny :D
BenjaminUrquhart: nice
Gabbek: with tons of spells you should most likely aim for very expensive potions
Gabbek: even if someone makes potions much faster than you
BenjaminUrquhart: I don't aim for specific potions, I just search until it's possible to make one
Gabbek: than they still can't win if you get huge rupees values from your potions
Gabbek: https://www.codingame.com/replay/500068936
Gabbek: haha, not good, but funny :D
Thienu: what happens if both witches brews the same potion? do they both get the reward?
Xenoid: Yes
Thienu: thanks
Xenoid: No problem
Rodrigo_the_coder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/12bc8552-d5b9-4c55-acb0-440499eb25c8
Xenoid: Is the file size limit still 100K or did they raise it?
Rodrigo_the_coder: https://www.codingame.com/replay/500080848
NicoNeko: if you code in java how do u combine multiple class files into one
NicoNeko: do u literally just copy and paste
Rodrigo_the_coder: it was incomplete
Rodrigo_the_coder: file over the limit
DToTheE: Are we allowed to share ideas and our code with other people we are working ideas with?
MoMaT: no code sharing @DToTheE
DToTheE: Got it, thanks!
SeekDog: wow
SeekDog: fall challenge got some fun
Meme_Magician: I have no idea what to do q_q
I know this is some sort of optimization problem but the recursive method I wrote to select the best action takes too long
NinjaDoggy: so what's up with the reusable bug people were talking about earlier? Are all spells reusable right now, even if they're not supposed to be?
NinjaDoggy: repeatable*
Laminator: for the bot competitions, anyone know if slower languages are at a disadvantage? Like 50 ms is brutal if we're talking C++ vs Python.
tinManB: Hellow!
