MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: blazeswipe on what?
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Time to spam clashes to get my rank back up...
Majeck: It's 3 AM
Majeck: On A school night
Majeck: I can't decide whether I should continue or just go to sleep
Majeck: I'm literally two lines away from completing Mars Lander 3
eulerscheZahl: i might be late but I would suggest Bandas for MCTS
eulerscheZahl: monte carlo tree search
Majeck: Ah yes of course
Majeck: And Bandas?
aCat: but this was I suppose answer for Zenoscave question from before
Illedan: :tada: my testing of random values on C4L was enough for Legend :D
aCat: congratz ;-)
bi0phaz3: It's been years since I've been in this chat and I still see the same names :)
DomiKo: there are some new ones ;)
bi0phaz3: Well of course, I just mean it's nice to see those who were on when I was still in junior high school still on now
bi0phaz3: Now I'm in my 2nd year of uni haha
Astrobytes: No you may not.
Illedan: Better to ask what you are stuck at
Astrobytes: and check the relevant forum thread
AntiSquid: someone help me!
AntiSquid: i need to load a van
Realsakib25: What is masters theorem in algorithm
Jdools05: hey, I have a quick question on how to use slackbot for CoC, I would like to play private matches with my friends. Thanks in advance!
eulerscheZahl: nice, another multiplayer as the puzzle of the week
Astrobytes: yeah, pretty awesome
eulerscheZahl: meanwhile i still try to understand the selection algo. 4.4 stars and only 8 votes isn't that impressive. The Go puzzle from last week had a much better rating
eulerscheZahl: not complaining about penguins being chosen, just confused by how it works
Astrobytes: yeah, and strange how we've had so many multiplayers as potw recently
Astrobytes: Perhaps it's been changed recently
eulerscheZahl: we had so many new multiplayers recently :P
Astrobytes: Hm, yeah, fair point lol
darkhorse64: Multis are CG strong points. No wonder they want to highlight them.
Realsakib25: what is optimal merge pattern
eulerscheZahl: but i'm convinced the selection isn't done my a human. and probably in place without any changes for a long time
eulerscheZahl: so i would expect it to be some function of rating, vote counts, maybe age
eulerscheZahl: and one that hasn't been promoted before
darkhorse64: Ask our favorite CM
eulerscheZahl: asking irrelevant questions and pinging staff members always was MadKnight's job
darkhorse64: Next step: promote a community multi with real leagues once a year
eulerscheZahl: let's do the math...
darkhorse64: I mean, a contribution
eulerscheZahl: first community multi: Vindinium in February 2019
eulerscheZahl: new we are at 24 community multiplayer games
eulerscheZahl: 22 if we count coders of the realm
and go as 1 each
eulerscheZahl: so that would mean that less than 10% of the games deserve a league system?
Realsakib25: What is Cooley–Tukey FFT algorithm
eulerscheZahl: a word that you paste into google
eulerscheZahl: FFT = fast fourier transformation
eulerscheZahl: for the rest i would have to investigate too
darkhorse64: One per year is maybe too restrictive but not too overly ambituous
eulerscheZahl: i'm still waiting for leagues at PR2 and BTTC
Astrobytes: would be nice but seems like wishful thinking unfortunately
eulerscheZahl: i'm happy that we can upload our own games. was a huge feature to allow that
eulerscheZahl: darkhorse64 is too young to really remember the time before ;)
darkhorse64: I don't know what is involved in having real leagues but this is really where CG expectations is a mystery to me
darkhorse64: Completing my second year here
player_one: Hey CGs... Haven't been on in a while (years) and I just started getting back into it last week.
eulerscheZahl: at some point there were no leagues at all. one big fat blob in each contest
player_one: I'm playing around with Bulls and Cows 2.
eulerscheZahl: oh, hi player_one. haven't seen you in ages
Astrobytes: A wild player_one appears!
player_one: I'm pretty sure that the validators are random, as in... They're different every time I submit.
eulerscheZahl: and thibaud stole your mod circle :(
eulerscheZahl: validators are random
eulerscheZahl: they have some constraints
eulerscheZahl: the 1 digit case always gives you a score of 5
eulerscheZahl: and others have a fixed number of bulls and cows returned after your first guess
player_one: Yeah. I shouldn't be a mod anymore, euler
player_one: Doesn't make sense.
player_one: Okay. Just checking on that.
eulerscheZahl: you could try some statistical analysis if you should put a 0 in your initial guess or not. I didn't go that far
player_one: That implementation really encourages re-submit until you get a better placement, and it's also hard to determine if your algorithm actually improves. :joy:
eulerscheZahl: as the 0 can't be at the first place. so that might reduce the number of candidates with the first guess.
player_one: But OTOH, it's possible to figure out the validator numbers if they're not random, so I guess that's the only way.
eulerscheZahl: how would that reward spam submitting? :thinking: https://prnt.sc/vbzxln
eulerscheZahl: yeah, known validators would make the whole thing pointless
eulerscheZahl: so, back to the CG history lesson...
eulerscheZahl: in the past there were no leagues at all. and contests just ended. no final rerun
eulerscheZahl: smash the code was the first with a league system
eulerscheZahl: and later some older games got leagues added
eulerscheZahl: initially CG said they would add them to all their games. 2 are still missing
eulerscheZahl: the final recalc in a contest was added even after STC. must have been CSB or codebusters. still before my active time
dbdr: the meta on resubs near the end must have been crazy!
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Dbdr broke it
eulerscheZahl: broke what? my wall of text?
eulerscheZahl: i'll kick him for interrupting me
dbdr: kick duel :D
eulerscheZahl: who's faster?
eulerscheZahl: wait, i have chat history to lose
dbdr: and meaner
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: What if I just report you both?
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: For abusing mod privileges :p
eulerscheZahl: we would kick you as a revenge
dbdr: anything super valuable in the chat history right now?
eulerscheZahl: i'm still a little kid inside
eulerscheZahl: no, just casual talk
eulerscheZahl: about penguins as the new puzzle of the week
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: I'm struggling with a super vague problem statement
eulerscheZahl: share it
eulerscheZahl: so you are given 2 binary numbers
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Idk what to do with them
eulerscheZahl: and shall print the bitwise OR operation result
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: No idea what that means
eulerscheZahl: if one if the numbers as a '1' at a given index, the result has so too
eulerscheZahl: 0 OR 0 = 0 0 OR 1 = 1 1 OR 0 = 1 1 OR 1 = 1
player_one: Discussion of adding recalc for CodeBusters
eulerscheZahl: with 200 matches. it's 500 now
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Ohhh I get it now
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Best I could do was 132 chars...
AntiSquid: how's life ?
Majeck: At what level is chat unlocked?
LastRick: wait, I was laughing, is it really locked for new users below 3? I guess i didn't notice early on.
Majeck: First few levels the chat is locked
Majeck: (For good reason)
Majeck: I still remember round about two years ago, the moment I gained access to the chat I felt like a king lol
LastRick: hah hah
eulerscheZahl: i remember the time when everyone could use the chat
Majeck: Oof, how many years ago was that?
eulerscheZahl: i think that constraint is a good thing to require some basic knowledge at least
player_one: You mean the time when no one could use chat? :-P
eulerscheZahl: hm, maybe 2. not sure
eulerscheZahl: the time without a chat at all is too far back for me to know :D
eulerscheZahl: also the time with puzzle contests and no multiplayers
player_one: Well there's that too, but I mean before the restriction was in place, there was so much spam, it was completely unusable.
eulerscheZahl: but i've been here when you had to solve easy puzzles first to unlock the harder ones
LastRick: that's an interesting idea
eulerscheZahl: and community puzzles had their own section. not scrambled in easy, medium, ...
LastRick: Is there a way I can look at a puzzle and know if it is an original or a community donated one?
eulerscheZahl: by XXX => community
player_one: In the puzzle tile screen, if it doesn't have an avatar, then it's not community.
eulerscheZahl: and initially only very few users could moderate the pending contributions. player one being one of them
LastRick: I can't complain about the community puzzles then -- without them, there'd be so few puzzles. I mean, mediums must be 80% community driven at least/
eulerscheZahl: later it was dependent of your user level. and i was happy when i finally reached lvl20 and got the moderation rights too
jacek: w000 new puzzle of the week
Majeck: Not for Clash of Code
Majeck: Yes for normal puzzles
Majeck: Just click "Solve" in the puzzle page and then -> Results on the left of the IDE
Majeck: No for clash
Majeck: Unless you remember specific keywords
Majeck: And are willing to look for them in this site: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
Majeck: Absolutely hopeless
Majeck: Your only hope to knowing wtf you were supposed to do is:
Majeck: A) Look at the solutions of the other people who played the clash with you
Majeck: B) In the clash channel ask what was the task to be solved
Majeck: B )
Majeck: You can write in them
Majeck: And they're there precisely so that you can ask what the solution was
Majeck: Or make friends
jacek: clash pals
eulerscheZahl: or you remember the author of the clash
LastRick: you can also use those chats to complain about the clash to fellow clashers
eulerscheZahl: but the bots won't reply
LastRick: Random thought: if I'm on the home page, why is it so non-obvious how to get to the message board?
LastRick: Random thought 2: On the "Learn" tab, can we get a checkbox for Dart? I wish that tab was different. Like maybe arranged by topics so it was more intuitive "how" to use the page to learn.
PatrickMcGinnisII: Interesting: https://ibb.co/L52F2tC
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone been busy, +34 levels and clash points
darkhorse64: in one day. Wrist injury from copy/pasting
PatrickMcGinnisII: That's a huge amount of copy/paste, gotta be over a hundred
PatrickMcGinnisII: and submits, gheesh
darkhorse64: Yeah, an incredible cheating performance
jacek: what if he made bot making bots
darkhorse64: nah, not so great. It took to weeks. What a wimp
PatrickMcGinnisII: well a puzzle a day keeps the covid away
**PatrickMcGinnisII marked safe
Skynse: hmm, what's behind that link
Skynse: oh it's an image
jacek: i expected rick roll
CyrusTheCurator: Happy 1 year of job hunting anniversary to me
TBali: oh.. :(
Illedan: trictrac here?
Illedan: Guess I'll just cheat on blocking then :D
Zenoscave: euler here?
Zenoscave: automaton2000 Get euler
Automaton2000: im not sure what to do about it
Zenoscave: Automaton2000 just get him, duh
Automaton2000: i must be missing something
LastRick: yeah, you're missing euler
Zenoscave: ^ LastRick gets it
LastRick: what good are bots if they cant rouse Euler from sleeping?
Zenoscave: they're no good to me dead
LastRick: Spring 2021 Contest idea: Code a realistic Euler AI. Able to send me validators and code snippets and tell old grandpa stories about CG back in 2018.
Majeck: "Back in my day we only had official puzzles! And we liked it"
Majeck: "We had no riff raffing Vim editors and the whaddaya call them"
Majeck: "the EmAcs"
Majeck: I no-joke had a dream where the CG editor let me use multiple files last night
Majeck: I woke up and thought it was an actual feature lol
Majeck: Someday I guess
LastRick: Thats why they call it a dream
Majeck: Right now I have a 1700 line project
Majeck: It's really clean code
Majeck: And it gets me through the two Mars Lander - Episode 3 tests
LastRick: Sheesh. Which puzzle?
Majeck: I'm worried it won't pass the validators though
Majeck: I'm too scared too submit
Majeck: Cause they arrive with barely any fuel too the landing site
KiwiTae: failure is good just go for it
LastRick: Validators are the worst.
Majeck: It's just I've put on a lot of importance on me passing this puzzle (I've planned for it to be the one that gets me to level 20)
Majeck: I don't want to pass with like 33% hahaha
Majeck: So I'll keep working on it, in the 1700 hundred line program :weary:
Majeck: At least there's no bugs
Majeck: That's cool
Majeck: And really unexpected
KiwiTae: i passed lvl32 2 nights ago
KiwiTae: it was hardwork too
Majeck: What's the longest program you've written for CG KiwiTae?
KiwiTae: someone pushed me silver in a multi i barely touched 2years ago lol
Majeck: And you LastRick?
Majeck: KiwiTae that's awesome lol
LastRick: Longest? Hmm, I'll have to look. I've done zero contests (just joined this fall) and haven't touched much past medium. so I'm guessing nothing too long.
KiwiTae: Majeck no clue maybe it was for botters of the galaxi lol
KiwiTae: or meanmax
Majeck: I have a serious problem with long programs
Majeck: I always write like the triple amount of lines than every other solution hahaha
LastRick: its definitely a challenge on here when it all has to be one file. I find it definitely helps that you can collapse functions. So I tend to write everything in functions as much as possible
Majeck: For example I was seeing the Cat & Mouse game and to solve it, I did like 300 lines more than everybody else lol
KiwiTae: Majeck I just updated the camera actor in my game yesterday that file in 2000 lines already lol
Majeck: LastRick I usually don't like collapsing functions and classes (harder to locate bugs), but yeah it's kind of a necessity for long programs
Majeck: KiwiTae for what game?
Majeck: It's also a shame that the IDE doesn't remember what you've collapsed :P
Majeck: My algorithmic-solution is 50 units of fuel more efficient than my brute force one
Majeck: That's awesome! the program can solve the problem better than I can
LastRick: Majeck thanks for the follow
Majeck: No problem, it took me off guard that I wasn't already following you lol
SandmanSW96: Hey, quick question, I know it's not related to CG or coding, but does anyone here use Steam?
SandmanSW96: trying to download a free to play game and can not for the life of me find the download button/link/etc
Majeck: Do you use Mac?
SandmanSW96: put it on the 'wish list' *shrugs*
SandmanSW96: nah win 10
Majeck: Two possibilities (three)
Majeck: A) You didn't find the button (unlikely)
Majeck: B) It's not available in your device/OS (probable)
Majeck: B )
Majeck: C) The game's not available for release yet/in your location (probable)
SandmanSW96: it's been out for years, and when I first googled the game for PC I am well within the requirements, even Vista was listed. and I have hunted every screen in there. Apparantly I'm not the only one with this problem lol
SandmanSW96: the developer's website has a download button, give you one guess where it sent me XD
SandmanSW96: all roads lead to steam's page for the game itself, and it has no download button at all
Majeck: What's the game?
SandmanSW96: Heroes Evolved
SandmanSW96: found it on a 3rd party site
SandmanSW96: man what a pain in the sack loll
SandmanSW96: nvm that one was shady
Majeck: Are you saying the internet can be untrustworthy?