KiwiTae: Volere its ok
KiwiTae: get better overtime
Uljahn: Automaton2000: just spend 10k hours coding
Automaton2000: i think i might try that
jacek: good morning
thanhhv317: in here is afternoon
thanhhv317: not morning
jacek: you live in the future
thanhhv317: and u live in the pass
UMUT-hue: hey hey
AntiSquid: whÿ̶͙́̏̃̃͊̍̓͒͛͆̔̂͑̓͊̉̚̚ are ÿ̶͙́̏̃̃͊̍̓͒͛͆̔̂͑̓͊̉̚̚ou using funnÿ̶͙́̏̃̃͊̍̓͒͛͆̔̂͑̓͊̉̚̚ sÿ̶͙́̏̃̃͊̍̓͒͛͆̔̂͑̓͊̉̚̚mbols?
KiwiTae: ZarthaxX o/ pewpew
Shadowtick: welp time to change my profile picture to a gif I made
Shadowtick: ok I couldnt have the gif since it wouldn't spin
Shadowtick: I made a gif that it has a spinning pyramid that is colorful
Shadowtick: I dont know how to explain it
Shadowtick: 𝕀 𝕨𝕚𝕝𝕝 𝕛𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕘𝕠 𝕘𝕖𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕜
Shadowtick: 🅃🄾 🅃🄷🄴 🅆🄴🄱🅂🄸🅃🄴 🄸 🄼🄰🄳🄴 🅆🄸🅃🄷 🄰🄻🄻 🅃🄷🄴 🄶🄸🄵🅂 🄸 🄼🄰🄳🄴
Shadowtick: and my name is shadowtick :3
Shadowtick: ok I will shoot you a message
KiwiTae: Gryja how so hehe
AntiSquid: for loop @Gryja
for i in range(8): mountain_h = int(input())
KiwiTae: when u press play testcase , they send you the input
Metanoob: Gryja, exactly yes! Not exactly random, they are crafted by the author
Uljahn: don't hesitate to read hints on the left
Metanoob: yes Gryja
KiwiTae: oh damn so many hints they do it well
KiwiTae: yea all is executed on the server
Astrobytes: yes, just imagine you're reading the inputs straight from stdin
Shadowtick: Gryja I have your told you how to fix yours
generated mountain height and then use it to shoot if that makes sense
Uljahn: also debug print is your best friend
KiwiTae: print("hekllo",file=sys.stderr) in python i think
Astrobytes: Imagine it's giving you a text file every turn and you're reading the data from there
KiwiTae: Gryja take it slow gonna work out jia you
Astrobytes: yeah, no rush when you're learning
AntiSquid: what's this error about? i see it in a lot of different places on CG : ERROR: ld.so: object 'libstdbuf.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored
Astrobytes: something on CG end, they know but haven't fixed it. Doesn't seem to cause any issues, been happening for a few weeks now iirc
AntiSquid: thought it's my code since i reuse some stuff ...
Astrobytes: nah it's not you
Astrobytes: :smirk: afternoon JBM
AntiSquid: must be
AntiSquid: all these avatarless people on chat are kinda dodgy to begin with
AntiSquid: just anything really
AntiSquid: python is easy to start of with#
AntiSquid: Remembered_Goodbye how about paper snooker? https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/paper-soccer
Astrobytes: paper snooker... that would be something
jacek: why are you spamming
jacek: AutomatonNN good afternoon
AutomatonNN: How do I specify the last test case?
AntiSquid: sudo apt-get purge openjdk
jacek: sudo pip install paper-soccer
AntiSquid: could not find version that satisfy requirement
AntiSquid: tesla short shorts?
AntiSquid: i am glad at least one of the rich people has some common sense and knows how to meme
AntiSquid: sololearn quick fast easy .
AntiSquid: even the easy puzzles?
HelloWorld183L: https://shop.tesla.com/product/tesla-model-s-for-kids?sku=1465592-00-A A weapon more powerful than metal gear...
AntiSquid: idk maybe you're just confused by the starter code?
AntiSquid: read it carefully? did you do onboarding?
AntiSquid: which one did you try
AntiSquid: well i am starting to wonder what they were doing lol
AntiSquid: if CG is confusing then so is every other puzzle site which usually has more active people doing puzzles afaik
AntiSquid: same issue, you got to learn the code base when you start a new job
Astrobytes: Wait you did a computer science and engineering degree and didn't learn about arrays?
Astrobytes: Oh, all theory no coding
Astrobytes: Well, get practising. It'll come
AntiSquid: i thought uni / college hooks you up with a company to slave some free hours so you can gain experience? and aren't there any tests?
AntiSquid: microcontrollers have arrays no?
AntiSquid: go to codesignal > developer login > arcade and do the stuff there to help you catch up with whatever you missed out on: https://app.codesignal.com/arcade
AntiSquid: i can do that stuff without degree .
Astrobytes: yeah, that's a common complaint I've heard a lot
AntiSquid: what uni did you study at ?
MSmits: it's good to start with sample code when you dont know much yet, but at some point you need to start from scratch
eulerscheZahl: i like the default code
MSmits: in CG i do yeah
MSmits: I meant in general for teaching coding
eulerscheZahl: except if someone didn't read the manual how to write stubs
eulerscheZahl: e.g. reading a line as a string instead of list of integers
MSmits: ah yeah
MSmits: input/output stuff is a special part of coding for sure and so is string manipulation.
MSmits: for writing bots and such, the focus should not be on that
MSmits: so the default code is great to skip this
eulerscheZahl: Console.ReadLine().Split().Select(int.Parse).ToArray() done
AntiSquid: you could argue the simulation part should be imported from a library outside your IDE because it's boilerplate code
eulerscheZahl: nah, i want full control
MSmits: mmh not that easy to answer, because for some games, coming up with the fastest simulation is a big part
eulerscheZahl: RAIC gives you a huge starter code with all classes defined already
MSmits: you could also have boilerplate minimax and mcts ready to go. Or just give the whole bot except the eval
MSmits: or give even the eval and set all parameters to 0 so they just have to fit them
AntiSquid: same as with writing your own machine learning models, but libraries for that are very popular
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/MailRuChamps/raic-2019/tree/master/clients last contest. open any folder and just have a look at how many classes it has
AntiSquid: oh and i guess that could include some granularity on parts of the simulations you want to import
eulerscheZahl: you get the full gamestate using their class model
AntiSquid: ya i used their stuff
AntiSquid: but their code is confusing
eulerscheZahl: and then you create your own classes and map to them as you don't like the initial setup
AntiSquid: why is the same library #included multiple times on the same file
eulerscheZahl: the nullables annoyed me in the C# starter
eulerscheZahl: just define a NONE weapon type instead of using a Weapon?
AntiSquid: lots of nonsense in their code .
**eulerscheZahl almost never uses nullable
MSmits: same here euler
eulerscheZahl: asked illedan, he doesn't either
Illedan: Only when creating APIs for others.
MSmits: well I use almost nothing :P
AntiSquid: oh i remember that, had to check everytime if weapon != nullpointer
MSmits: whats a generic again?
MSmits: I use Lists
MSmits: not List<T>
eulerscheZahl: oh dear
MSmits: never used that sry :)
MSmits: seriously I code in C# almost like i do C++
eulerscheZahl: you surprised Illedan as well. see what you've done
eulerscheZahl: c++ has a vector<T> too
MSmits: C# to me is like C++ without being able to do suicidal lines of code
AntiSquid: i added question marks too for extra dramatic effect
MSmits: oh and i like the string stuff
MSmits: in C#
AntiSquid: multiple ones HelloWorld183L
MSmits: university of Amsterdam
eulerscheZahl: a German one that you've probably never heard of
MSmits: and university of codingame
eulerscheZahl: Friedrich Alexander Universität Erlangen
AntiSquid: i mean i cooked at multiple universities HelloWorld183L
MSmits: that's the swastika place right euler?
eulerscheZahl: the one where the Erlang language is from
eulerscheZahl: no, that was my high school ("Gymnasium")
MSmits: the one where it's on the floor?
MSmits: oh ok
eulerscheZahl: fun times
MSmits: yup. HelloWorld183L thinks you went through high school in WWII now
AntiSquid: timetraveling with a haunebu
MSmits: gonna take a nap. too tired, hf :)
Westicles: Lots of young lads under alan turing, so they say
eulerscheZahl: found the school website again https://3dcad.websharecloud.com/?v=pv&t=p:default,c:panoramaview,h:f,m:t&pv=pv1&pv1=vt:p,u:a5d6a02a-4fea-4c35-8794-49584fbfaf06,cf:47.36,p:0.13654,t:-0.00982&p=hanssachsgymnasium
AntiSquid: is that a figure of speech for something else ? lol
Astrobytes: shocking Westicles :P
eulerscheZahl: another student showed it to me
Astrobytes: found it randomly
AntiSquid: TogaCat just googled for fun coding sites .
AntiSquid: HelloWorld183L i mean
AntiSquid: simooooon ya kaggle or aicrowd
Astrobytes: something up with submits?
Astrobytes: oh working now, just slow
eulerscheZahl: 98 in CSB
eulerscheZahl: silver promotino
AntiSquid: join codingame discord at the top, i linked a lot more contest sites in the external contest section simooooon
eulerscheZahl: why didn't you check that yourself astro? such an obvious thing to do :D
eulerscheZahl: and it's silver so it will take a little longer
Astrobytes: couldn't be bothered tbh
Astrobytes: plus you always do it so it saves me :P
eulerscheZahl: let's all congratulate Nagrarok for finally reaching silver
KiwiTae: hehe wellplay
Astrobytes: grrr, I mean gj
Astrobytes: well at least I'm not in the middle league of Penguins by myself any more
yassineH: hello guys and girls
Astrobytes: I wasn't in there long but I hate being stuck in a league by myself
yassineH: i have a little problem with the testing thingin
yassineH: Oups An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
Shrimpster: prob server wide
Shrimpster: same here
eulerscheZahl: will fix itself in 2 or 3 minutes
yassineH: ok thx
AntiSquid: dots and boxes still works
Astrobytes: and penguins
Shadowtick: I bet no one can guess what my profile pic is
Asgardinho: is there something wrong with the IDE tests?
Asgardinho: I guess service is down/overloaded
hbooex: same here during coc
AntiSquid: is it a green background Shadowtick ?
sbrnc: error everywhere
sbrnc: any tests
Shrimpster: euler said its gonna take a few mins to fix it so keep patient ^^
LastRick: So I've got to do my real work instead? Ridiculous.
JoJoey: "only one executor running a t the same time for a test session". please how do i kill the test session ?
AntiSquid: if it's a CSB submit issue then you probably need to wait for an hour
JoJoey: ah ok thanks. i was thinking that my program bugged the system with some kind of infinite loop
Oups An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
AntiSquid: who's that?
SpaghettiCode: So i was bronze league in coders strike back for weeks and now I randomly got in silver league... how is it possible? I didn't even change the algo
SpaghettiCode: lol I don't understand how
Peter-Griffin: i have the same error and i wrote a for loop
Matrix007: so what iserror #73
SpaghettiCode: then probably it was luck
yassineH: server errors
Matrix007: An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
yassineH: just give it some time
hbooex: global issus
Peter-Griffin: i have the same error
yassineH: we all do
Peter-Griffin: in clash of code
yassineH: dont go there
hbooex: seems to be with everything
SmolPepeL: :sunglasses: coz we hacked it
yassineH: the clash of code is harder
Peter-Griffin: it works again here in clash of code
yassineH: it is back to normal
SpaghettiCode: what you mean it's harder?
[CG]Thibaud: error 73 should be fixed
eulerscheZahl: but 73 is such a nice number... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyFr279K9TE&ab_channel=zinedinealex
pharesmostafa: i m c++
pharesmostafa: u r ?
Uljahn: please post CoC invite links on #clash
pharesmostafa: follow me
SpaghettiCode: lol python is op for coc shortest mode
LastRick: dont forget ruby
eulerscheZahl: or bash
eulerscheZahl: or php
LastRick: There is no better feeling than beating a python/ruby/php user in shortest with Dart. I get a coders high.
AntiSquid: pharesmostafa wtf man
eulerscheZahl: did you click the follow button yet AntiSquid?
eulerscheZahl: also: when did the promotion popup change?
eulerscheZahl: oh, minesweeper just got approved. that's why
LastRick: Sheesh, Euler, just approved the tree problem and you've already done it!
eulerscheZahl: yes, saw it in the forum and gave it a quick look
eulerscheZahl: didn't notice it on the contribute section but the puzzle is fine. nothing to criticize from my side
AntiSquid: wolf 3D would have been a good ico
AntiSquid: who keeps such shortcuts on the desktop anyway? lol
351062: Illedan: doing some magic bitboard stuff on 2048 ?
Neumann: I was about to blame my engine for my scoring ..
Illedan: A good eval + strong pruning should get you far ;)
jacek: prune array?
Illedan: Prune beam search
AntiSquid: really hard pruning
Neumann: I really am rusty
Dartisan: LastRIck I confirm, doing CoC with Dart and win tastes sweeter, but I still need my second win for the Quest Map ;-)
Dartisan: By the way, for those seeking lectures about Algos, Baeldung is a site known by Java developpers, but also document more and more Algos: https://www.baeldung.com/category/algorithms/
AntiSquid: heavy java focus ?
jacek: java is easy
Dartisan: Mostly, it is one of the sources for Java and Spring developpers but from the explications you could perhaps understand the way, only without the special features different languages have for shortcuts
Dartisan: As Java is a verbose language, I feel it easier to read.
Dartisan: SInce I am in Codingame, I search more and more documentations and collect them in this direction.
eulerscheZahl: https://cp-algorithms.com/ the algorithm bible
AntiSquid: Sorry, the website myshadysite.com cannot be found. Automaton2000 :(
Automaton2000: and try to get you
Dartisan: Thanks, will take in my collection
AntiSquid: you could disable scripts with an extension
Unkmar: Now I am going to do some practical coding for myself. Ciao.
pefbrute: Guys, hi! Are there some pros of exercising here?
AntiSquid: yes, 10 push ups, 10 squats, run for 10 miles every day !
pefbrute: Haha, sorry, I mean, solving tasks here
AntiSquid: actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7rBDKrWprU
eulerscheZahl: just ask your question pefbrute
eulerscheZahl: if it's about an easy puzzle here, odds are good that we've solve it already
Astrobytes: I think he means pros as in pros and cons of using CG
eulerscheZahl: then i'll mention a friendly community :P
pefbrute: Well, yeah, actually, I did mean it, Astrobytes!
AntiSquid: you get our awesome company
AntiSquid: and i can suggest cool anime avatars
eulerscheZahl: visual games to motivate you and help you see what's going on
pefbrute: Woah, sounds nice )
AntiSquid: ikr and it's free
pefbrute: Haha, that would be definitely cool
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/spring-challenge-2020 the last contest
Dartisan: Say, I use CG to learn Dart, a language not practiced, you will not learn, and PRO, CG gives me many exercices to write each day Code in Dart, this opportunity I have not on work :-)
pefbrute: Okey, gotcha, thank you guys
Astrobytes: and people are always willing to help you out if they can
eulerscheZahl: next one will take place in 3 weeks
Astrobytes: oh yeah, contests, they're always fun
AntiSquid: seriously, CG is about the multiplayer and the visuals, because otherwise you can just use any of the 100++ coding puzzle sites out there
pefbrute: Mmm, thanks, AntiSquid
pefbrute: I start to get the picture
eulerscheZahl: for the multiplayers there's only a handful of similar websites but with less content and less frequent contests
eulerscheZahl: such as Russian AI Cup
Dartisan: That part comes later, to optimise and climb the ranks ;-)
Astrobytes: But ofc there are many who just do puzzles too.
eulerscheZahl: or even clashes
eulerscheZahl: poor misguided souls
AntiSquid: 73/247 in d&b . i know i didn't put in a lot of effort but when rank > 50% i expect to get more than 350 / 2700 CP
AntiSquid: 2450 *
Astrobytes: Community multis are about prestige not points :P
AntiSquid: now i need to sort by area size what to take in late game
AntiSquid: ya feeling proud every time i beat something like a heavy sim or bitboard magic with a low effort algo
AntiSquid: i go read something, don't want to overexert now
Astrobytes: I like Penguins better, I'll work on that before D&B
AntiSquid: i know the d&b game from memory, that's all the reason i am doing it
jacek: linuxes eh
AntiSquid: i can't think of any gameboard structure i like
jacek: unary board
Dartisan: I am curious if the Fall Challenge 2020 will be a State Machine problem.
AntiSquid: i think it's a gardening problem
AntiSquid: witches collect herbs
Astrobytes: could be herbs vs witches
eulerscheZahl: my money is on some grid map.
Dartisan: so more Pathfinder :-)
eulerscheZahl: but can you control more than 1 witch?
AntiSquid: i am 100% it's a grid map contest
Astrobytes: oh, witches in a labyrinth with FOW
Astrobytes: Blind witches
AntiSquid: no maze no
eulerscheZahl: but with a magic spell to see through the fog
AntiSquid: i expect some timers on items or something like that
PatrickMcGinnisII: Maybe I can be a grandmaster, i freakin' gurus
Dartisan: Sounds nearly a bit like HyperSonic where I currently in.
AntiSquid: maze games will sound similar but they're not
eulerscheZahl: exploding vessels?
PatrickMcGinnisII: a combo of code vs zombies and fantastic bits, lol
Astrobytes: I highly doubt it would be another physics-based game
AntiSquid: i mean grid games, not maze
Einwickler: Please no physics game :pray:
Scarfield: its obviously a potions game
PatrickMcGinnisII: lol, and I'm rewriting codevzomb
AntiSquid: is codevszomb physics game? :P
AntiSquid: what does it count as
Astrobytes: oh christ, I hope it's not like CalM, with potion recipes
Dartisan: say, it is more the components finding and timer, I am just calculating.
Scarfield: i was too late to approve your mine sweeper frogfog :'(
AntiSquid: i expect it to be like calm only in the sense that you plant seeds and then collect them after a timer Astrobytes
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, well cvz doesn't have tiles/cells , but it does have circle intersection maths
Illedan: Damn, Minesweeper was harder than I thought :O
Astrobytes: Hm, could be interesting like that AntiSquid
Astrobytes: Can minesweeper be made into an optim or not worth it?
Illedan: Just luck
Illedan: After a certain point
Einwickler: AntisSquid like a facebok game? :joy:
AntiSquid: i never played minsweeper seriously, there were always an awful lot of nice windows games to play back then instead of the default win95-98 games
Astrobytes: Hm, yeah I guess
Scarfield: next up will be pinball
Astrobytes: I spent many lessons at school playing minesweeper :P
eulerscheZahl: not blockout?
AntiSquid: ugh physics ugh someone complain :P
Illedan: Pinball would be fun
PatrickMcGinnisII: another code a la mode would kill me
Illedan: crazy physics :D
AntiSquid: what is CvZ classed as ?
AntiSquid: is BotG physics ?
AntiSquid: next wolf 3D or DOOM euler :P the image files are ripped
Dartisan: I prefer code4life over code à la mode ;-)
Astrobytes: wolf 3D was great
PatrickMcGinnisII: Illedan likes physics
PatrickMcGinnisII: *cough* bitrunner
Einwickler: Maybe he just likes the pain :)
Astrobytes: nice AntiSquid
Astrobytes: I don't know why everyone hates the physics so much, just implement the engine and get on with it
Illedan: I think Minesweeper classifies as hard euler :thinking:
AntiSquid: i don't read referees astro :P
AntiSquid: usually .
PatrickMcGinnisII: What game would sum up 2020?
Scarfield: the worst sim imho i have made so far was Chutulu
AntiSquid: not pandemic PatrickMcGinnisII
Astrobytes: The Mexican Lovecraft one Spellfield?
Scarfield: you know which one :p
AntiSquid: some goofy chaotic clown game would be more suitable for 2020
eulerscheZahl: you are wrong Illedan. when it's in hard, less players will see it :D
Scarfield: fake news detector
Illedan: Going for them users
PatrickMcGinnisII: The CDC admitted it has no samples of CoV-19 ... how do you make a vaccine? W/ samples of the virus ... something smells funny
Illedan: I'm too tierd today to see the clear solution in the endgame
eulerscheZahl: do you find those mines?
Illedan: This is where I am now
Illedan: And wondering how to implement it with my mess :D
eulerscheZahl: does human Illedan find them?
AntiSquid: PatrickMcGinnisII ! Death Stranding is the game that leaves you just as confused and annoyed as 2020 ! No doubt there. Good graphics, but hate being a delivery boy (didn't buy it based on that)
Illedan: I tried to make this code small and stupid. Should have gone full on from the start :P Feel like I need a search to solve this
Scarfield: i only did certain bombs -> certain safe cells -> probability of bomb on remaining edge tiles
PatrickMcGinnisII: my daughter wants to dress up as an AmongUS character for halloween ... I'm like wtf, u want me to make you look like a hazmat person
eulerscheZahl: i opted for ugly code
Scarfield: wouldnt find the bombs on the pic euler linked, but the probability part would pass still
AntiSquid: i like the meme: "for Halloween this year i am going to dress as myself without a mask, people find it scary enough"
Einwickler: AntiSquid Empty supermarket shelves
Scarfield: with toilet paper prices
PatrickMcGinnisII: AntiSquid I don't have a ps4, i like norman reedus...hmmm
AntiSquid: Einwickler a plain card board tube (from the toilet paper roll)
Einwickler: AntiSquid thats way better yeah! :D
AntiSquid: i was using kitchen wipes for 1-2 weeks btw .
PatrickMcGinnisII: I ordered a wire face light up mask. Last year my daughter was a devil woman...they gonna love us at the church around the corner again this year!
Scarfield: try out some puzzles Romil
AntiSquid: 15 minutes romil
Scarfield: then you can choose the difficulty you want :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: yall ran out of TP in the UK?
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/space-maze Romil, this is only solved by 4 people on the site
AntiSquid: much harder .
Scarfield: np, also check out the compete sections. The Bot programming is by far what i enjoy the most on this site Romil :)
**PatrickMcGinnisII grumbles fkin' Euler
Einwickler: AntiSquid Ouch. I just used 1 sheet peer session :D
eulerscheZahl: at least I was kind enough to put Space Maze into expert (was going for "hard" at first)
Scarfield: didnt know you and euler were that close patrickMc
AntiSquid: a bit too friendly
PatrickMcGinnisII: he can Funge himself thankyou
Astrobytes: ffs hahaha
PatrickMcGinnisII: at least euler keeps making content despite trying his best to melt brains
Astrobytes: when my nephew was really small he used to call fire engines "funge-ins"
ZarthaxX: sounds like :mushroom:
Astrobytes: Ah Mr Mushroom, he was a fungi to be with
Astrobytes: hello SporethaxX
PatrickMcGinnisII: i didn't know a tesla could do 235kph
ZarthaxX: SporeaxX sounded cool Astrobytocus
Scarfield: finished the boys in a week, and waiting for the contest :)
ZarthaxX: what is that?
Einwickler: The boys is really worth it
Scarfield: amazon prime show about super heroes
Einwickler: Im pretty anti super hero movies but this series was really good
eulerscheZahl: hi ZarthaxX. how's it going with the SDK?
ZarthaxX: have been busy, couldnt continue
ZarthaxX: and also found out im a noob with gmail
eulerscheZahl: what's hard about gmail?
ZarthaxX: i found out that i missed 2 mails from a company
eulerscheZahl: important ones?
ZarthaxX: yeah, but i got the third one today, asking me if i was seeing the mails
ZarthaxX: and that's how i realized i missed the other ones :P
ZarthaxX: i had 2 interviews with it until now, and now im goingto have a third one
ZarthaxX: im glad they insisted sending 3 mails to contact me..
eulerscheZahl: ghosting a company that wants to hire you, smart move
Astrobytes: lol, what's the job?
ZarthaxX: the other 2 mails were sent to promotions
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl ;)
ZarthaxX: honestly i dont know astro lol, i just started talking with them after winning a contest from them
eulerscheZahl: do you use an external client for your emails?
ZarthaxX: it's a company relate dto security
Astrobytes: Oh, interesting
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl no
Astrobytes: You did a CTF or something?
ZarthaxX: the possible job would be a security research, but im just starting lol
ZarthaxX: but they "believe" i have pontential
ZarthaxX: yes, it was a pre ctf
ZarthaxX: it was cool
ZarthaxX: challenges are still out there i think
eulerscheZahl: give link
ZarthaxX: you had to find flags in 6 different games
ZarthaxX: 2 made in c, 2 in python and 2 in java
Scarfield: sounds nice, polar bears are rare these days, of course they want you
eulerscheZahl: the C ones are probably the hardest
eulerscheZahl: stupid me found the "download all" too late
ZarthaxX: Scarfield LOL
ZarthaxX: i have to explain the rules
ZarthaxX: you need an initial password for the first zip
ZarthaxX: the first password is this one We1come_To_0napsis_Ch4llenges
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl i would say the java ones are the hardest :P
ZarthaxX: there is a minesweeper
eulerscheZahl: python2, how ancient
ZarthaxX: yes, annoying
eulerscheZahl: there are 2 minesweepers now
eulerscheZahl: or do you mean in the CTF?
ZarthaxX: in the ctf
ZarthaxX: the third one is java
eulerscheZahl: i'm too tired for this now
ZarthaxX: anyway in each lvl folder
ZarthaxX: you have the flag at the end
ZarthaxX: if you want to test any
eulerscheZahl: euler non comprendo
eulerscheZahl: non able Espanol
ZarthaxX: just a bit of google translation
ZarthaxX: funny toad :rofl:
ZarthaxX: i will explain tommorrow
eulerscheZahl: nah, i trust in google translate
eulerscheZahl: guided me through mini RAIC
ZarthaxX: i tried RAIC :rofl:
ZarthaxX: still cant stand the translation
AntiSquid: when is raic this year
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX is doing CTFs? :o
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid starting to look into security :P
ZarthaxX: well, dive into
jacek: yay for bayern
eulerscheZahl: btw RAIC will not have any tshirts / hoodies this time :(
ZarthaxX: i never tried it but well
eulerscheZahl: but if you go for the overly complex game, there's still hope
ZarthaxX: it always discourages me
Astrobytes: same, I take a look at the engine, and the hundred page manual and give up
AntiSquid: it helped me practice pointers and shared pointers (the shitty messy RAIC game engine i mean)
AntiSquid: because i built on their shitty code
MSmits: hey jacek... I am still fitting params for your jacekmax
MSmits: it's slowly getting better, but I don't think it'll be better at the end
MSmits: probably same rank on leaderboard though
MSmits: somewhere within that huge gap
MSmits: at least it proves it can work fine for something other than your NN's
AntiSquid: which game
jacek: i thought as much
jacek: i think with best parameters it wont be different from what you have now
MSmits: I'm not sure, it might be worse. I suspect your search is more sensitive to a good eval
MSmits: and your NN obviously has a far better eval
MSmits: because the EPT way is fuzzier, taking the average
MSmits: it's like what you do with normal mcts, you dont have a good eval, so you take the average
MSmits: AntiSquid: Oware
MSmits: but i will keep the structure of the eval completely identical and also fit the same (slowass) way with cg bench. That's probably the fairest way to do this
MSmits: so far I get 50+% vs everyone but darkhorse
MSmits: and the NN's... just testing vs Agade, but he wrecks me
jacek: do you have some automated parameter tuning?
MSmits: i dont atm, but i can whip it up I suppose when i have some time
MSmits: not any thing fancy though, i dont have the temoral difference thingy down yet
MSmits: just taking a param, fitting it, using a random move param like you do, then take a different parameter, fitting it again, just visiting each in order
MSmits: multiple passes until stuck in local optimum
jacek: you do it all manually? :scream:
MSmits: always have
jacek: i thought maybe some GA was involved
Astrobytes: (the M in MSmits stands for 'masochistic' :P )
MSmits: except when i am wrecking you though, then the S means something else
MSmits: jacek i also never wrote a GA
MSmits: I have some bad holes in my knowledge
Astrobytes: Still? I thought you were gonna practice it a few months back
MSmits: it is still on my list i suppose
MSmits: btw, doesnt have to be GA
MSmits: can also be SA
MSmits: just need one of those things
jacek: or PSO or CLOP or SPSA or whatever
MSmits: yeah, there's many ways to put 3 or 4 charactes together
MSmits: hard to use those in conjunction with CG bench though
MSmits: so you kinda have to use self-training
MSmits: I mean it's not impossible, just difficult for me
MSmits: I have had self training arenas before. All I would have to do is put one of those GA thingies in there
MSmits: basically, I would take a set of parameters. And another set of parameters, make them have babies and select the best. Maybe mutate the babies a bit. Sounds easy
jacek: but fitness function is most expensive
MSmits: isnt it just winrate?
MSmits: oh, you do changes compared to the last version
MSmits: the params that changed more are adjusted more
MSmits: but thats a different type of training
MSmits: so I am confused
MSmits: what is this fitness function?
jacek: how do you compare 2 organisms? which one is better
MSmits: the one that wins more
Astrobytes: fitness function is your eval
MSmits: so dont you have all sets play a bunch of games?
Astrobytes: you select offspring according to their fitness
jacek: fitness function is way do determine which bot is better. but to do that you need to play handful of games
jacek: for each pair
MSmits: ohhh wait
MSmits: you mean the playing of games is part of the fitness function
MSmits: i thought of that as being separate
MSmits: ofc playing games is expensive
MSmits: there is a lot of experimentation to be done with is
MSmits: so many free paramters in GA
MSmits: SA is way easier like that
Astrobytes: tuning SA ain't always easy
jacek: ah, the hyper parameters :unamused:
MSmits: maybe not easier, but less parameters makes it faster
MSmits: i would guess GA often outperforms SA, just because there are more dials
MSmits: btw if you know a good animation about GA or even SA where you can adjust dials to get different fitting results, let me know
MSmits: i dont mean a video
MSmits: some iteractive thing. I've seen people in videos do them
Astrobytes: there's an interactive Mars Lander one somewhere iirc
jacek: i dont know any
Astrobytes: Or something along those lines
MSmits: I'll look for that more specifically
MSmits: things like that really beef up a course
jacek: yes there are some articles on cg for ga
MSmits: I can tell the students what to try and think about the results
MSmits: yeah i knew that
MSmits: I am also thinking of letting them fit a NN for a simple "AND" or "OR" operator
MSmits: and calculate the output by hand
MSmits: maybe something animated so you can see the NN being trained to give the right result
MSmits: and of course the google website about tensorflow
Scarfield: go to the testing paragraph there is a animation which explains the process pretty well
Scarfield: if you are still here MSmits
yankydoodle: hey, im just trying to do that with mars lander. still stuck at trying to simulate it. does anyone know i should round any of the numbers? because currently i am getting different positions compared to the site
Scarfield: its a bit weird, it keeps the decimal points until you crash/land/fly out, but then it shows rounded values iirc
Scarfield: so you should not round, its only the values shown that are rounded
Scarfield: np, how are you calculating the change of position?
Scarfield: mars lander is the only puzzle where you have to take into consideration that the acceleration is not instant
Scarfield: so: dy = y0 + v0 t + 0.5 a t^2
dy = y + v + 0.5a
Scarfield: yup :)
Scarfield: vy just to be clear
Scarfield: and ay
Scarfield: np mars lander is a bit weird since all other puzzles just assume the acceleration is added instantly to the velocity
Scarfield: yea good job :)
MSmits: thanks Scarfield, that's not directly usable as a teaching tool, but I can use it as inspiration
MSmits: i mean in my specific circumstances, i can't directly link this for the students and expect them to use it, but it's very detailed and will help me understand and transform it into something better
Scarfield: oh missed that you wanted to use it for teaching, but yea it explains the idea very well :)
MSmits: it sure does
MSmits: for me the extra detail is good, because I already read a lot of general stuff about GA
MSmits: this gif is great
MSmits: I might actually use this in my teaching material
Scarfield: yea its great, are you going to teach NN's GA or both?
MSmits: it's an AI course
MSmits: I start with BFS/DFS and such
MSmits: then GA/SA
MSmits: maybe i'll do pagerank
MSmits: for sure machine learning in several forms
Scarfield: cool :)
MSmits: and I will definitely link to the social dilemma and do something with that
MSmits: it will mostly be code-free, with coding exercises being extra for smarter students
MSmits: but they need to completely understand the algorithms
MSmits: so they need to be able to explain when BFS works better or DFS
MSmits: and which one finds the shortest path
MSmits: thats why i am looking at a lot of interactive examples
MSmits: coding it yourself works, but is way too time consuming
MSmits: for the student I mean
Scarfield: yea makes sense, and you cant really code it if you dont understand it to begin with
MSmits: maybe I'll let them all work out a section of their choice and grade that
MSmits: so, a pathfinding coding exercise or a ga or whatever
MSmits: maybe I'll involve CG some way, not sure
Scarfield: do you have animations for BFS and A*?
Scarfield: ok, just remembered seing some good ones, but not where. but wont look if you already have them :)
MSmits: this is amazing
MSmits: if you know more, sure do share
MSmits: the more I have the better
MSmits: i already put this in an iframe in my course
Scarfield: damn, thats i nice link. sure ill see if i can find it
MSmits: at first i wondered why DFS is not in that link i shared
MSmits: but i guess it's a horrible algorithm for such an open space
MSmits: even though you could draw a very closed mazelike thing
MSmits: so anything that compares DFS and BFS in a similar way would be perfect
Scarfield: you know redblobgames.com right?
MSmits: i know it, but did not check it for this
MSmits: lol it was even in my favorites already
MSmits: i just didnt check it
Scarfield: pretty sure thats the animations i was thinking of
MSmits: it even has python
MSmits: which is the language we use
MSmits: wow that is amazing
MSmits: I should translate this whole thing and then refer to the redblobgames site for the english version. Then they get credit
Scarfield: yea its a great site, there is also stuff about hex tiles :p
MSmits: i knew that
MSmits: i studied it for that pirate game
MSmits: this site is similar to https://catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/
MSmits: except very different subject
MSmits: but equally amazing
MSmits: that one is all about learning to code 3D stuff, noise, shaders and randomly generating things
Scarfield: oh yea, forgot about this one, but can see i have it favorited
Scarfield: have considered to look into noise, the stuff you can make with it is amazing
MSmits: I did a lot of experimentation on random world generation at some point
MSmits: with voxel engines and such
MSmits: I even learned how to do it on the GPU for speed
MSmits: it's one of those rabbit holes i fell into
Scarfield: do you know the coding train youtube channel?
Scarfield: he has a lot of great coding videos, also about different projects with noise
MSmits: ahh ok
MSmits: I'll probably watch that just for fun
Scarfield: he has tons of videos, with some great projects for ideas :)
MSmits: gonna go sleep. alarm clock goes in 6 hrs, thanks for the help Scarfield
Scarfield: np gn :)
ImaNoob: what's the best way to learn python?
colinemonds: also https://automatetheboringstuff.com/
ImaNoob: Maybe i can go codecombat
ImaNoob: I'm not good at codingame yet
GoogleJeff: why is every Clash of Code today "fastest" or "reversed". where are my Shortest Mode clashes!
GoogleJeff: who cares about being fast. i am here for the code golf
GoogleJeff: also, why is there no "reverse shortest" mode?
Anth: maybe you are looking for https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/codegolf
GoogleJeff: Anth: thanks for the pointer
GoogleJeff: GreatPanda03: yeah, the different languages need like a handicap or something to make it fair
GoogleJeff: or else everyone just needs to learn ruby and python.
Allis: I think adding a performance mode would be a great way to balance everything out.
Xedux: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/there-is-no-spoon-episode-1 anyone have it's solution ?
KiwiTae: Xedux whats blocking you?
Xedux: i can't write proper syntax for the required output ?