Allis: Bon voyage.
athensclub: do you know josho?
athensclub: josho boiling
SuthiwatPraesi: Im blind
Gorbit99: if it's a question, it's usually better to ask it, instead of asking if you can ask it in the first place
eulerscheZahl: i ignore this kind of question as i'm worried about the follow-up question that i feel obligated to answer
AntiSquid: sinobi123 yes me and Automaton2000
Automaton2000: no i just corrected myself
AntiSquid: python was a mistake shinbi123
Gorbit99: eulerscheZahl what could the follow up be that's so horrifying?
FinnWerner: whats up
eulerscheZahl: a question that needs a lot of text to answer or one that is plain boring
eulerscheZahl: i don't want to explain how the chuck norris puzzle works for the 10th time
Allis: What is a chucknorris?
Gorbit99: from experience, most questions like that can be answered in a few, usually language inspecific words
Gorbit99: a unit of absolute measurement
Gorbit99: I need to get into golfing that
AntiSquid: Allis https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/bruce-lee this one was better imo
AntiSquid: ah nvm it's the other way around
SydM107: Hello everyone
Gorbit99: Hey there
SydM107: I'm trying to figure out how to use a genetic algorithm for Code vs Zombies but I'm having trouble seeing how it could apply
SydM107: there are so many factors and I can't see how to produce offspring
Marchete: random angle + random dist?
SydM107: but the number of moves would differ depending on all sorts of factors
SPDene: genetic? or generic?
Gorbit99: genetic probably
Gorbit99: he's looking to outsource the work
SydM107: haha no,
SPDene: that makes me think "if both daddy zombie and mummy zombie have blue eyes, baby zom,bie has blue eyes", sorry
SydM107: I'm more of an ACO guy, I've never used genetic algorithms before
Uljahn: SydM107: if you're ok with python i'd recommend this playground https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/334/genetic-algorithms/history
SydM107: yeah python is fine
AlexisMolestos: I gonna try lumen now
AlexisMolestos: it's not that easy :nerd:
AlexisMolestos: yes please
Aldavon: yoyoy navid
Aldavon: you outchea
Aldavon: i mean nav
Aldavon: sorry for the name drop
AlexisMolestos: @Memo12334 thanks almost solved
AlexisMolestos: 75 :joy:
AlexisMolestos: I think it's something with round
eulerscheZahl: so you pass all visible testcases at lumen but fail on submit?
AlexisMolestos: I read in forum many people have this problem
eulerscheZahl: would you mind sharing the code? i'd like to have a look at it and maybe add an extra testcase
eulerscheZahl: yes, paste it here
eulerscheZahl: find_distance should do this:
eulerscheZahl: return max(xd,yd);
SPDene: @eulerscheZahl if it helps, I had the same problem when I tried to use sum-of-squares to measure distance. it will pass all visible test cases then fail when submitted
eulerscheZahl: yes, I just realized that too. I'll just swap a testcase and validator I guess. Or create a new (simple) testcase to make it clear
SPDene: yeah - a visible test case which fails using ^^ that code would be good
SydM107: Why do you calculate the absolute value in find_distance? it's completely unnecessary
eulerscheZahl: expected: 9 your code gets 10
eulerscheZahl: the 75% code I mean
eulerscheZahl: so that will be the new testcase
eulerscheZahl: easy enough to go through by hand
SydM107: how so? if xd is negative xd*xd is positive, same goes for yd
eulerscheZahl: updated. I took the opportunity to clean up the default code as well (reading each cell, not the whole line)
eulerscheZahl: the pythagorean distance defines a circle @SydM107 the solution expects a square around the lights
SydM107: that's a euclidean distance
eulerscheZahl: right, Euclidean. by bad
AlexisMolestos: so you solved?
eulerscheZahl: Yes. On Feb 23rd 2019
AlexisMolestos: I googled for solution... Will I get banned?
SPDene: if you're in a "fixing puzzles" mood, eulerscheZahl : in https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/high-rise-buildings I believe the example given in the Goal (not the "Example" after the constraints) has no valid solution
SPDene: yes that one
eulerscheZahl: agreed, drawfie's job my program finds no solution assuming I correctly converted the input
eulerscheZahl: whoops, I even approved it
eulerscheZahl: that 2 should be a 3
SPDene: yep - it has to be symmetrical about a \ line
dwarfie: yes euler , you approved it :D
eulerscheZahl: so, will you edit it? :D
dwarfie: of course ... i trust you when you tell that it should be 2 and not 3 ;)
eulerscheZahl: I can't be help accountable for what I approved 2 years ago
SPDene: it delayed me a bit when solving it - i couldn't manually work out the answer!
eulerscheZahl: thanks for reporting
dwarfie: but ... if it is 2 , horizontally , it can be 2 and 2 ...?
dwarfie: nor 3 vertically ...
dwarfie: ok ... i found the real problem .... (just read all the discussion :D)
eulerscheZahl: the real problem? Lumen having insufficient testcases?
dwarfie: do old that it did not have difficulty set ... :D
dwarfie: so old ...
dwarfie: no euler ... i was talking about mine ...
SPDene: I didn't see a discussion link on that one - do you need to be a certain level to see it for v hard difficulty?
Illedan: Discussion link? You talk about the forum link?
SPDene: nope, once you've solved the, some puzzles have details/solutions/discussion tabs; others don't have the discussion
SPDene: unless that's a link to forum post (if it exists)?
eulerscheZahl: the discussion is an embedded forum
eulerscheZahl: these thread get created automatically on approval. but for a while the forum bot creating those was inactive
eulerscheZahl: or didn't exist for older contributions
eulerscheZahl: forum embedded as an iframe https://imgur.com/a/cXQOOgx
eulerscheZahl: the replay viewer has an iframe too for sandboxing purposes I think
SPDene: MunyoudoumPav was it fastest or shortest?
SPDene: and you finished first?
SPDene: maybe because you were against really low-score opponents? idk how the scoring works
Thyl: Hello !
Thyl: Illedan you are on a special mail ?
Thyl: In the French canal I see you in the participant list
Illedan: The moderator list?
Thyl: No the participant list
Thyl: You see ?
Thyl: moderators are probably automatically included
Thyl: sincerally sorry
Thyl: and the same for my english :)
Illedan: Np, stuck on a bug anyway atm
AntiSquid: hi - sorry for my bad english
AntiSquid: reference: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sorry%20For%20My%20Bad%20English
eulerscheZahl: I hate that sentence, seen way too often
jacek: is python rubic
jacek: is ruby pythonic
Hjax: most people who apologize for their english have such flawless english i wouldn't have known otherwise
eulerscheZahl: I'm writing a referee Sorry in advance for my poor Java
jacek: its like people who have clean room say 'sorry for the mess'
tutubalin: sorry for my pure Java
eulerscheZahl: not so pure, I mixed it with some JS
eulerscheZahl: you are a native speaker, that doesn't count
vfpx07: shortest mode kinda sucks
Gorbit99: shortest mode is the best
Gorbit99: no arguments
Astrobytes: Not clashing is the best. Let the arguments commence.
inoryy: idling in chat is the best
Hjax: sometimes i think it would be better if there was a separate chat for clashers
Hjax: because normally they show up in World and get shoo'd away by the chorus of "boooooo clash"
Astrobytes: (it's real)
Laminator: bicklil how did you solve that reverse?
Astrobytes: Just not enough peeps know about it
Laminator: actually, does anyone know how to solve the reverse, it had A beef = 64
Laminator: bad face = 85
Astrobytes: Also I'm going easy on the clashers in general atm cause the clash-specific chats aren't working
Astrobytes: *world not general
eulerscheZahl: I miss #general :(
eulerscheZahl: on a coder's website we spell it #kernel
Astrobytes: kernel, awesome
AntiSquid: don't remember exact details, but you need to look at what the test cases expect, partially ignore statement Memo12334
eulerscheZahl: you should get XP
eulerscheZahl: i'll solve an easy one to see what happens
eulerscheZahl: boring sudoku validator, i choose you
eulerscheZahl: now i've already coded the input parsing :/
eulerscheZahl: solved it
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/txxpdy and there's the XP
Astrobytes: Gotta see sharp to C#
Hjax: easy puzzles only take a couple minutes if you know what you are doing and are comfortable with the language youre writing
Hjax: thats why they are called easy puzzles :P
Hjax: youll get better as you get more practice
Hjax: euler is the #1 ranked person on this site
Hjax: then go find a multi that looks fun and get cracking
Hjax: no need to do puzzles first
eulerscheZahl: you are free to have a look at the games now. whatever motivates you
Gorbit99: i haven't done hards before competitons
Gorbit99: most people don't find the puzzles fun
Gorbit99: nah, hard puzzles are harder than first few leagues in multis
Gorbit99: they are very different
Hjax: imo contests are by far the most fun
eulerscheZahl: there is no real "solution"
Hjax: not solving as fast as possible
Hjax: you write a program that plays a game against other peoples programs
Astrobytes: that would be clashes
Hjax: if you win, you gain points
Gorbit99: fast as possible is coc usually
Hjax: whoever writes the best program at the game wins the contest
Gorbit99: in competitions it's basically like a tourney
Hjax: contests are for everyone!
Astrobytes: For everyone, it's all about the fun
eulerscheZahl: there were almost 5k participants in the last contest
Gorbit99: contests are the easiest thing to start on this site basically
Hjax: you can usually write a simple program that plays the game
eulerscheZahl: only about 100 reached the highest league. didn't stop the others from trying
Hjax: it doesnt have to be anything complex
Gorbit99: it can start with two if statements
Hjax: multis are old contests that anyone can play
Astrobytes: Get stuck in tbh
Hjax: i want another unofficial contest, the last one was fun
eulerscheZahl: i want a real contest
Hjax: that too
Hjax: i just hope the next contest is less annoying than pacman
Hjax: i really did not like pacman
eulerscheZahl: what was your problem with it? fog of war? rock paper scissors?
Hjax: the way corners were blind
Hjax: you could get unlucky and just lose
Hjax: i do!
Hjax: last contest my rank varied wildly even with the same submit, because of how heavy the luck factor was
Hjax: was pretty discouraging
eulerscheZahl: i've seen randomness in other contests before
eulerscheZahl: at the top it's usually quite consistent. but below there's a lot of variance
Hjax: randomness is fine if one bad random outcome doesnt mean instantly losing the game
eulerscheZahl: good point. there's no comeback in pacman
Hjax: like the randomness with ore deposits in UTG was fine
Hjax: could you get really unlucky and lose? sure, but it didnt happen very often
Hjax: the better bot almost always won
Hjax: and the only other random thing was digging up your opponents mines, because you couldnt see them
Hjax: but that was more risk taking than losing to randomness
eulerscheZahl: the starting position wasn't that relevant anyways. 5 robots and 6 possible lines to start at
Gorbit99: MadKnight dropped into my dms with "hey, do you need help with multis"
AlexisMolestos: May I know if I need to lear vuejs framework what would you recommend?
Astrobytes: MadKnight has returned?!
Gorbit99: only in my dms
Astrobytes: And it was *the* MadKnight and not an impostor right?
Gorbit99: I assume so
Gorbit99: this "hey, want some help in multi" is a madknight thing
Astrobytes: That is true.
Gorbit99: his discord is TheVillainAgain
Gorbit99: I assume he's madknight
inoryy: that does look like his username
Hjax: maybe hes a ghost
Hjax: ooooh spooky
Astrobytes: Donno why he doesn't come back in chat tbh
Gorbit99: I can ask if you want
Astrobytes: Go for it. We saw the chat where he said he quit, but... not like MadKnight to actually quit
Gorbit99: he's talking about some weird russian movei
Hjax: well, he is russian
Astrobytes: The basketball one?
Gorbit99: no, this one is an alien one
Hjax: ive been looking into the stockfish nnue stuff, pretty mindblowing
Hjax: +100 elo in like, a week
Astrobytes: It's insanely strong huh
Hjax: seems like it
Hjax: by the time tcec premier league comes around it will be even stronger
Astrobytes: Yup. I see it's available in the STockfish dev builds now
Hjax: the regression graph is something else
Hjax: thats like a year of progress, all at once
Astrobytes: wow, ain't it just!
Hjax: and the idea is still so young, im sure theres a lot of room to improve still
Hjax: make better nets, use it in different ways, etc
Astrobytes: it's a game changer for sure
jacek: surprisingly this is similar to what im doing several past weeks
Hjax: what are you working on?
jacek: using NN for eval, training in supervised/unsupervised mix
Hjax: what game i mean?
Astrobytes: Several ;)
jacek: right now breakthrough
inoryy: nice, jacek
Astrobytes: Been impressive so far, how is Breakthrough coming along?
jacek: im still testing different net archtecture and learning ways
jacek: and i think i found a bug in some of my endings
Hjax: writing my own nns is still quite a bit over my head
Hjax: so many people doing fancy stuff on this site :P
Hjax: ive considered trying to go back to school and getting a masters in machine learning
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's cool to see people pushing the boundaries
Astrobytes: ask inoryy for advice
jacek: i would be bored in machine learning lessons
jacek: too much theory
jacek: i just want to code stuff and see results
jacek: thats why i like machine learning. it works and i dont care why
inoryy: reminds me of this https://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/7102012232216iwsmt.jpeg
Hjax: i did take linear algebra and an intro to ml class in college
Hjax: so i know the basics
Astrobytes: lol inoryy
jacek: though i liked turing machines
jacek: but then again there were many weird symbols
Astrobytes: I really should refresh my maths a bit, very rusty tbh. All this pharmaceutical stuff doesn't really work the maths muscles
jacek: rusty :F
Hjax: i tried to figure out how leela works at some point
Hjax: i understand the concept, but the technical details are beyond me
jacek: its always the technical details
Gorbit99: Astrobytes Madknight said he's working on other things
jacek: at first i made xor example in python, then without library, then without numpy, just for loops and multiplication. then i rewritten it to C++
jacek: and it started and I dont see the end of it
Astrobytes: Gorbit99 tell him I said (we all said) hello and come back once in a while if he has time
jacek: mk? that troll?
Gorbit99: already put down the call
Gorbit99: I basically listened to him trying to explain the entire plot of the movie
Astrobytes: definitely MadKnight
Gorbit99: seems like he's happy to talk to people if you want
Astrobytes: He was never unwelcome
Astrobytes: He just left one day
Uljahn: i guess we (non-natives) have to use every chance to practice english or it becomes rusty in no time
Astrobytes: Maybe I should start learning Russian
SPDene: Uljahnjust make sure you don't start speaking american instead :P:
Astrobytes: Yeah, that's just weird :P
Hjax: i just assume everyone on this site is from europe at this point
Astrobytes: All the europeans on here think there's loads of americans, and the americans are like "where?" :D
Astrobytes: They'll be asking for their own channel next :P
Astrobytes: We love you all really Hjax
Astrobytes: #freedom is the Scottish channel, awa' wi' ye laddie
tutubalin: #freedom is too long. let's just shorten it to #fr
Hjax: when i first found the scots wikipedia i thought it was a joke language
Hjax: like how some sites offer a "pirate speak" translation option
Hjax: its beautiful
Astrobytes: aye a' ken that yin like
SPDene: hjax you should try welsh - our equivalent of DMV website: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/driver-and-vehicle-licensing-agency.cy (scroll down)
Hjax: that looks like its been through a blender
SPDene: that's "licenses"
Hjax: i wouldnt have guessed that :D
Hjax: the UK is a fascinating place, i hope to visit some day
Astrobytes: Hehe, Welsh is related with Cornish and Breton languages, shares little with Scots Gaelic. Great that Wales embraces the language more than we do
Astrobytes: We're 'working on it' apparently
Hjax: do brits think that americans have cool accents? or is that a one way affair?
AntiSquid: fascinating in what way?
Hjax: theres a lot of history and different cultures crammed together in a small space
SPDene: you have accents? all americans sound the same. we have a different accent if you go down the road 10 miles :P
Astrobytes: Is it still being pushed SPDene? Learning Welsh that is
Astrobytes: I hope so
SPDene: I'm not welsh :)
Astrobytes: Oh I thought you were given the link
SPDene: I just find it fascinating that all UK government websites are translated into welsh
Hjax: americans have accents, people from the south sound much different from the north
Astrobytes: Because it's their language
Hjax: new york and boston areas have strongish accents too
Astrobytes: US accents vary wildly
Astrobytes: But I guess they can be subtle at times
SPDene: yeah - I'm oversimplifying... but I could identify maybe 5 US accents... and 200 UK accents
Hjax: i think my accent is mostly what would be considered "general american" which is probably quite boring
Hjax: everyone in the US thinks british accents are cool
Astrobytes: People over here get certain New England accents confused with New York accents for instance
AntiSquid: even the strong accents? :D
Hjax: people from boston are incapable of pronouncing the letter r
Hjax: pahk the cah
Astrobytes: lol I was gonna say cahpahk
Astrobytes: I have relatives over that way
Hjax: im just far enough from NYC and Boston that i dont have either accent
jacek: why theres r in colonel
SPDene: most of the sowthwest UK use a rhotic R... the rest of the country not so much
AntiSquid: sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone is speaking a different language or is just pronouncing words weirdly: https://youtu.be/ySyBMTo-1sc?t=15
AntiSquid: (good movie btw)
Hjax: ive known a few people from england who had the most amazing accents
Astrobytes: That's supposed to be 'pikey' Irish
AntiSquid: giving one example there
SPDene: try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk-_XlU5s6A (orkney)
AntiSquid: not everyone understands strong scottish accent either btw, i didn't have that much difficulty so far, but there are native brits who have problems understanding
AntiSquid: i understand that SPDene ! :o
Astrobytes: Yeah, if you can understand Irish or Welsh people you can understand Scots islanders (most of the time)
AntiSquid: Hjax i call that posh snob accent (no offense intended though) :p
Astrobytes: Not if they're fu' though
Hjax: it sounds incredible though
Hjax: the people with really smooth accents
Astrobytes: The American 'favourite' English accents usually indicate people who are of the upper class
Astrobytes: i.e. the ruling class
Astrobytes: Many in the UK don't take kindly to those accents
SPDene: Astrobytes you mean people who pronounce house "hice"?
Astrobytes: Oh if they could have some kind of return to feudalism here they'd go for it.
Astrobytes: Depending how you say that SPDene it could also be a Norn Irn accent :P
SPDene: true - but i mean the homecounties ones
AntiSquid: they seem very common in ox, even among the "normal" people though so don't see the problem
AntiSquid: i am more worried about chavs and the "got a li' may' ? "
Astrobytes: You're spoiled in that Oxon you are
AntiSquid: (translation: got a light mate)
Astrobytes: No shit. Try living in Peckham
AntiSquid: well when i first heard that kind pronunciation i just stared and the guy said it exactly the same just louder getting angry, i was like "wtf?", walked away
SPDene: your "li' may'" reminded me of Limmy - I imagine is accent's quite hard for some people to understand
Hjax: the brits have taken over the chat
Astrobytes: Stay in Oxfordshire AntiSquid. Don't leave under any circumstances
AntiSquid: lol why
Astrobytes: Because of what you said. You'll be on the first train back within minutes :P
Astrobytes: Well, you can try a few of the other Counties but don't venture into the city centre :P
Hjax: i dont think theres any part of the US where i would have issues understanding their accent
SPDene: yeah - oxford's not my idea of "full of chavs" compared to other places
AntiSquid: hah, doubt it met people from other cities too and bringing things like these up with others doesn't seem to bother most
AntiSquid: even the people from the capital of joy riding can have a normal conversation some times
SPDene: for anyone who doesn't understand "chav".. think "ned"... but that won't help you either :) :)
AntiSquid: suburbian culture
Hjax: when i hear chav i think of eggsy from kingsman
Hjax: is that good enough
Astrobytes: I went to Witney once, when I visited the Wychwood brewery. The pub was interesting
Astrobytes: lol, ned
AntiSquid: witney seems very quite
Astrobytes: It is
AntiSquid: relaxed town
Astrobytes: a bit... too quiet
Astrobytes: lol, was just typical small-place vibes. Was alright
AntiSquid: Hjax imagine skinny dehydrated extremely casually clothed individual telling you how cool it is to get high and inviting you to a joint with them
Astrobytes: "Interpreting for the neds"
Natorade: how do I output an error message in c++?
Astrobytes: cerr << message << endl;
Hjax: you could have been describing me until the last bit
AntiSquid: cerr << msg << endl;///
AntiSquid: ok ...
Natorade: ty <3
AntiSquid: Astrobytes is that a ned translator or what
Astrobytes: Compilation of the "Interpreting for the neds" segments of Chewin' The Fat, a Scottish comedy from a while ago
Astrobytes: neds = non-educated delinquents = chavs
AntiSquid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE9BqmJrrW0 sorry for offtopic, but new video !! always fun channel
Astrobytes: Don't worry, think my neds vid killed chat anyway lol. Yeah good channel
Astrobytes: And once again does not disappoint
Astrobytes: Very impressive
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm out, gn
AntiSquid: aha chat lurker
Illedan: was looking at the meat video you posted
Illedan: funny stuff
Illedan: Love the bones not being included
AntiSquid: just wait 2 papers down the line
benschreyer: Károly Zsolnai-Fehér:sunglasses:
Uljahn: amazing how they got 45 degrees angle for strain breaking which is pretty accurate from strength of materials theory
Uljahn: are they using FEM as the grid method?
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Why are there so many mods suddenly???
Uljahn: most active and trusted users were given mod rights
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Is there a need for more mods?
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: This chat doesn't seem that active...
Uljahn: we should be ready for the upcoming contest though
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: When did you join cg? I joined around csb
Uljahn: 1 year before csb
Uljahn: but wasn't very active
RJMontalvo: *sips his tea*
Zenoscave: MaliciouslyCrypticUsername you've been here since 2013?
Zenoscave: no idea where that came from 2013...
WINWINWIN: No details on Fall challenge out yet?