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Imsure1200q: a

Imsure1200q: hmm

Imsure1200q: in spacemaze it got timeout even if it didnt reach 1500 ms

Imsure1200q: is c++ faster than javascript in here

Scarfield: yes c++ is faster Imsure1200q

Scarfield: and also if you havent noticed:

Response time for the first turn ≤ 1000 ms Response time per turn ≤ 50 ms

Imsure1200q: oh ok thanks

Scarfield: oh. dont mind the times, i thought you said Search Race, not space mace xD

Imsure1200q: but is python slower than c++ or not

Scarfield: yes, much slower

Imsure1200q: wait but when i asked astro he said its faster?

Scarfield: c++ is faster than python

Imsure1200q: like i think also euler i asked

Default avatar.png AZX: C++ is the fastest language i

Imsure1200q: and they said that python is 10x faster than c++ or smth in the IDE

Default avatar.png AZX: since you can control memory

Scarfield: they must have been trolling, usually they are very hellpful, might have misunterstood your question

Imsure1200q: but i asked like multiple times

Imsure1200q: they said that it is slow in codingame but fast anywhere else

Imsure1200q: like is that true or no

Default avatar.png AZX: well ya in coding game sure it might be slower than in real life

Scarfield: hmm C++ is in debug mode here, so it would be even faster in release mode

Scarfield: but its still the fastest language here (C++)

Imsure1200q: so if i run c++ code in here its faster than if i run python here

Scarfield: yup

Imsure1200q: ok ill port to c++

Scarfield: for puzzles you sometimes get extra time though for slower languages

Imsure1200q: thats possible?

Csipcsirip: and there is some boilerpate code wich makes your c++ code almost as fast as it were compiled in "release"

Csipcsirip: #pragma GCC optimize("-O3")

  1. pragma GCC optimize("inline")
  2. pragma GCC optimize("omit-frame-pointer")
  3. pragma GCC optimize("unroll-loops")

Imsure1200q: but i dont know what gcc might do with my code

Imsure1200q: i know about -o3 but not inline and the others

Csipcsirip: ah ok

Imsure1200q: will codingame show g++ compilation errors

Imsure1200q: as is

Csipcsirip: compilaton errors:yes

Imsure1200q: okt hnx

Csipcsirip: runtime errors arent very helpful these days tho

Csipcsirip: *error messages

Imsure1200q: yeah i guess

Imsure1200q: i dont get any info from runtime when i compile by g++

Imsure1200q: its only weird characters and directories :(

Imsure1200q: ugh javascript being weird rn

Imsure1200q: acting as if there's such thing as "pass by reference" is this an interpreter bug

K4Mx: test

daffie: re reloading the page

daffie: try*

Imsure1200q: no doesnt work

Imsure1200q: i think i will port to c++ soon

Imsure1200q: javascript is getting too messy

Imsure1200q: ugh it keeps on passing by reference but it javascript its impossible

Imsure1200q: how to contact developers or smth

Astrobytes: " Imsure1200q 07:14AM wait but when i asked astro he said its faster?"

Astrobytes: Dude wtf are you talking about

Imsure1200q: python being faster than c++

Astrobytes: Yeah em... that was *not* me

Imsure1200q: wait your not the one who said that?

Imsure1200q: oh well

Astrobytes: It was that Lelouch guy

Imsure1200q: so since when did javascript do pass by reference

Astrobytes: I don't do JS like I said 100 times, but as far as I remember it passes primitevs by value and objects as references

Astrobytes: and arrays

Astrobytes: or something like that

Astrobytes: I thought you knew JS

Imsure1200q: yeah but last time i learned it

Imsure1200q: 3 years ago

Astrobytes: Right.

Imsure1200q: it probably updated but like im so used to everything passed by value

Astrobytes: And how many years ago did you learn C++

Imsure1200q: like 2 months

Imsure1200q: what i did instead to take out the reference is VALUE + 0

Imsure1200q: but then i have to do that for every obj so instead im porting to C++ which is less confusing

Astrobytes: I see.

Astrobytes: So you've written your algorithm then

Imsure1200q: I think it will overload the runner/codingame/whatever runs th code

Imsure1200q: lol

Astrobytes: Overload?

Astrobytes: It's too slow?

Imsure1200q: im still working on the "raycasting" part of the alg and, by seeing the logs, its so much iterations

Imsure1200q: but i dont know cuz i havent measured the actual speed of it

Astrobytes: You're ray casting in Space Maze

Imsure1200q: ys

Astrobytes: I see.

Imsure1200q: but its not the raycasting for graphics its just ray casting

Imsure1200q: like u know

Astrobytes: I know what ray casting is.

Default avatar.png mellololos: im lagging it is network problem?

Imsure1200q: maybe

Imsure1200q: i restarted my pc and no lag anymore

Imsure1200q: the steps i have so far are 1. convert fixed platforms into solid And then after that step i have like 2-3 methods which i havent decided which one is the best

Imsure1200q: And the first method overloaded :)

Default avatar.png SunwooKimw: Hello

Imsure1200q: hi

jrke: hi

Imsure1200q: lol how do you split a string without making it a constant

Uljahn: pls stop spamming the chat with google search queries

Imsure1200q: when did i spam?

Astrobytes: So you were going to write a NN for Space Maze, or use A*, now you're going to use er... ray casting - and you can't split a string?

jrke: hey astrobytes

Imsure1200q: no the raycasting is part of the alg but not the alg itself

Astrobytes: Hey jrke

Imsure1200q: i ported back to javascript because the only thing im confused lately with c++ is strings and everything is strings in codingame

Imsure1200q: And im not doing raycasting anymore bcuz overload

Uljahn: jeez

Astrobytes: ikr

Imsure1200q: :)

jrke: astrobytes can't check if checkpoint is crossed or not

jrke: means collision time

Astrobytes: Like I was saying yesterday, you're gonna have to implement the collision system from the game source code

jrke: K

Astrobytes: If you want your simulation to be accurate

jrke: ya

Astrobytes: Otherwise your eval won't work as expected

jrke: thats why im getting 14600 time

jrke: one change in eval system changes my whole outcome

cegprakash: hey Astrobytes

cegprakash: that's not neded to get to top 20

cegprakash: at least for me

cegprakash: distance to checkpoint < 600 and updating checkpoint in each turn is sufficient for top 20

cegprakash: my rank 13 bot doesn't use the collision code from referee

cegprakash: it still checks distance to checkpoint < 600 but I run it every 0.2 turns

Astrobytes: :shrug:

Astrobytes: I prefer accuracy over sufficiency. Your mileage may vary ;)

Uljahn: not sure if it's faster than finding ray-circle intersection though

Astrobytes: afk, on phone

Astrobytes: Sure, I mean implementation-dependent ofc but yeah. cegprakash: can you help jrke out, I think it's either an implementation issue somewhere in the search or eval - donno

Astrobytes: *or an issue in his eval

Astrobytes: ffs, afk again

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Imsure1200q: wow

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Imsure1200q: what

WINWINWIN: Please do not type random stuff Codergunny

Imsure1200q: maybe he doesnt know how to speak english?

Imsure1200q: typing random stuff and composing random phrases is somethings a non-fluent english speaker tends to do

Imsure1200q: in an english channel

Astrobytes: So many phonecalls this morning, my ear is burning

WINWINWIN: No, his school is english based

Astrobytes: hi WINWINWIN

WINWINWIN: hey Astrobytes

Default avatar.png zyrej: z.e.a.l

Default avatar.png Z.e.a.l: yes

Default avatar.png Z.e.a.l: @zyrej what happen bro

blackslex: hello

Imsure1200q: hi

blackslex: where are you come from

Imsure1200q: it says from philippines

Imsure1200q: i dunno

blackslex: wow

Imsure1200q: r u clashing

Csipcsirip: hey. do you know guys any multi that is more simple than oware?

struct: yes


Csipcsirip: oh no. to many inputs. I want to test my alpha zero implementation

Astrobytes: Why not Oware?

struct: many inputs?

struct: ah ok

struct: I see

struct: maybe Yavalath? :p

Csipcsirip: even more inputs... I need the most simple game possible, so I can be 100% sure if something is wrong its the alphazero module. yavalath looks simple, with a game that has ~8x8 inputs training can take days or even weeks on cpu

struct: ok wait I have 1 perfect

struct: let me find


Astrobytes: Is your Oware bot alphazero already Csipcsirip?

Csipcsirip: no, mcts

Astrobytes: Ah. Robo's is alphazero, he used Oware because it was the simplest game ;)

struct: Connect 4 might be simple right?

Astrobytes: Minimal input + simple rules.

Csipcsirip: haha yes, it's the simplest I've found yet

Astrobytes: I think it's your best option currently

struct: I never released it because its preety much solved

Astrobytes: struct, Connect 5? 6?

jacek: paper soccer looks simple enough

Csipcsirip: It has a grid with size like 20x20, no ?

Astrobytes: Is jacek advertising paper soccer an official CG meme yet?

jacek: nope

Csipcsirip: ah okay so I've been trolled

jacek: nope

struct: Astrobytes the problem is that is like 1 more mcts game

struct: I think there are enough games like that already

Astrobytes: Do you wish to make more True AI games?

struct: yes

Astrobytes: ConnectN with FOW

Astrobytes: And no statement

Astrobytes: Or viewer

struct: also moves are randomized

Astrobytes: Perfect

jacek: and you can swap any turn

jacek: most fair

Astrobytes: And steal move.

Imsure1200q: ha

Astrobytes: Finished your ray casting Space Maze solver yet?

Imsure1200q: lol no its not raycasting

Imsure1200q: anymore

Imsure1200q: im going for the pathfinding but my code is messy so cleaning it up

Imsure1200q: also optimizing it

WINWINWIN: Did you do space maze Astrobytes?

Astrobytes: Nah. I think only 4 or 5 people have completed it

Default avatar.png detonavomek: hi everyone, is this Code Royale or godingame chat?

struct: codingame chat

Default avatar.png detonavomek: thank you

jacek: yes

gobber: hi

gobber: gtg

jrke: hey astrobytes my sim worked best time 12350 rank 21

Astrobytes: Nice jrke, good work!

Astrobytes: Next you have to beat ceg :D

jrke: i did some changes in eval system and solved checkpoint crossed

jrke: ya i will ;)

jrke: ceg first in india im second

Astrobytes: Nice. Get 1st :)

gobber: cool

Csipcsirip: yay my alphazero bot beats the mcts one

solaimanope: Where can I find good tutorial for MCTS?

Astrobytes: grats Csipcsirip, yet another NN to wreck me :P

Csipcsirip: ty. it's in torch yet, have to implement CG inference

struct: Where Csipcsirip?

Csipcsirip: I haven't found any decent MCTS tutorial. the whitepaper isnt that hard to understand to. and you can implement it in 200 lines if you understand it

Csipcsirip: oware

jrke: hey astrobytes my mutation was a bug so removed it so can u tell is this ok


Uljahn: easy start for MCTS is with MAB and UCB1 i guess

Uljahn: goto mutated :scream_cat:

Astrobytes: Yeah, wow, goto jrke!

Astrobytes: You need to escape from a nested loop?

struct: I never used goto

struct: I didnt even know it existed

jrke: no for re-evalution i used goto statement

jrke: its there in c++ struct goto label;

Astrobytes: Can be alright to escape nested loops, either that or use a sentinel value

Astrobytes: jrke, there must be another way

tomatoes: i got it after pseudocode in the end

Astrobytes: But hey, if it works for you

OverStack: hi, i just finished my firsft clash of code, and i don't have any success is it normal ?

OverStack: i waited the 15 minutes for it to end

darkhorse64: Hey struct, why don't you polish a bit your Connect4, increase the size (because the game is solved) to 7 x 9 and publish it ?

Astrobytes: I suggested earlier darkhorse64, but struct thinks we don't need another MCTS game

struct: I could port it if more people want it, I dont mind

darkhorse64: It's a popular one. It may attract people

Astrobytes: OverStack "don't have any success" - you got less than 100% or you didn't submit your answer?

struct: Do you want Connect N?


eulerscheZahl: connect2

darkhorse64: Is it playable ? I mean, 6 in a row can be realized in a game ?

eulerscheZahl: on a 2x2 board

Astrobytes: connect1 ftw


Astrobytes: Who posted that troll thread with all the connect4 memes? That was funny

darkhorse64: I'd go for something simple

struct: Well kaggle has Connect X


eulerscheZahl: i like the note:

struct: Seems like it always is 4 in arow

jrke: astrobytes 19th now

Astrobytes: Getting closer to ceg jrke, gogogo

jrke: yup

darkhorse64: GA / distance to CP ?

Astrobytes: random + mutation afaik darkhorse64

darkhorse64: same as ceg, actually

darkhorse64: except for collisions

Astrobytes: Yeah, mutation was ceg's suggestion ;)

Astrobytes: ceg said he doesn't do collisions

darkhorse64: Yeah, he samples whether he crosses the CP. Dunno how it can work but results are here

Astrobytes: This is the way that jrke went in the end on ceg's advice

Astrobytes: I believe

jrke: yup

Astrobytes: as long as it works, right?

darkhorse64: Honestly, that makes no sense to me. Checking distances every 0.2s does not guarantee at all that you can detect you cross the CP

jrke: but he last suggested me at 5 pm and i made my sim worked at 7pm ;)

jrke: bye gtg

Astrobytes: later jrke

darkhorse64: gg

Astrobytes: ceg always takes the path of least resistance, you probably noticed that already ;)

darkhorse64: OK but it cannot work

Astrobytes: I don't get it either.

Astrobytes: I'm never explaining anything ever again. Just wastes my time

OverStack: Astrobytes i was first and had 100%, but the next one i did worked and gave me the success

darkhorse64: On something like Tokyo drift where you barely touch the CP

Astrobytes: Maybe just a glitch OverStack

Astrobytes: He must be using something else that compensates for that strange method darkhorse64, or it just wouldn't work at all

Astrobytes: Well, not very well anyway

Imsure1200q: m

AntiSquid: kaggle replays don't load for me, do they work for anyone else? struct eulerscheZahl i see you linked it, are you doing kaggle ?

eulerscheZahl: i don't even have an account on kaggle

struct: They work for me AntiSquid

Astrobytes: they work for me, but it was in reference to struct doing a connect n game

struct: I dont have an account

eulerscheZahl: but i can watch the replays

Imsure1200q: Euler does spacemaze score based on how efficient it is?

Imsure1200q: based on number of moves

AntiSquid: oh kaggle gives you replay download button with json ...

eulerscheZahl: you just have to get every testcase green Imsure1200q. it's a puzzle, not an optimization game

AntiSquid: ok weird, it works on opera but not on firefox, i don't get it

Imsure1200q: okay thanks

eulerscheZahl: i only tested with chromium

Astrobytes: Yeah just has a loading icon on FF, works fine for me in Chrome + Opera

AntiSquid: Agade #50 on that leaderboard btw

AntiSquid: right at the bottom

eulerscheZahl: as long as you don't click to show 342 more

AntiSquid: didn't mean he is the worst, just saying where to find him :p

eulerscheZahl: i found him too. my first thought was that he is last :D

AntiSquid: i mean he done the humpback whale challenge 1 year ago, at 1400/2000 or so, so clearly not serious about kaggle

jacek: connect4 memes?


Astrobytes: Thx jacek, I laughed a lot at that

Illedan: What leaderboard AntiSquid?

eulerscheZahl: the one linked 47min before you asked

Astrobytes: :P

Illedan: outside my chat history :P

eulerscheZahl: how far does your chat history go? :P

eulerscheZahl: i see


Illedan: only 45 min :(

Illedan: Thx

jacek: you dont have codingame premium?

Imsure1200q: ok since when

Illedan: lol jacek

Illedan: Wonder what would be good enough to pay for it :thinking:

Illedan: Unlimited submits?

Illedan: Priority on submit?

Illedan: Advantages in games? :D

WINWINWIN: what is codingame premium?

eulerscheZahl: or just supporting the website without any benefits

Imsure1200q: oh no its a s c am

Illedan: True euler :P

Illedan: I wish they gave you a counter for how many server hours your code had used :D With a donate button next to it


Illedan: hm?

eulerscheZahl: 5 million battles for pacman

Imsure1200q: pcman?

eulerscheZahl: pacman

Illedan: Yeah, but how many of those did my player id :P

eulerscheZahl: read carefully ;)

cegprakash: jrke #19 without mutation

cegprakash: xD

Astrobytes: It's his magic goto ceg

cegprakash: he uses goto? :P

eulerscheZahl: goto rank 19;

WINWINWIN: which multi?

Astrobytes: cegprakash:


cegprakash: someone teach jrke classes he still uses struct

cegprakash: sorry for tagging u struct I meant c++ struct

eulerscheZahl: i know the comic without clicking

struct: What is wrong with structs?

Astrobytes: Nothing wrong with struct

struct: struct is just a public class

Astrobytes: obviously eulerscheZahl, it's named "goto.png"

Default avatar.png JBM: don't link to the png :(

Default avatar.png JBM: makes us miss the title text

cegprakash: Astrobytes I told him to stop mutating

cegprakash: and u show me mutate :\

Astrobytes: Sorry, ripped it off thibpats discord server

WINWINWIN: cegprakash which multi?

cegprakash: search race

Astrobytes: I think he turned it off or something ceg, not 100% sure

WINWINWIN: Ahh, he told me he was going to make a sim, but I dont think that he had a solution pool

cegprakash: he said he turned it off

Astrobytes: but that goto eh :)

cegprakash: just random is giving him nice results

cegprakash: and he uses depth 7

Astrobytes: I know

cegprakash: I'm already thinking about changing classes to struct

cegprakash: older the faster right?

Astrobytes: there's no difference other than accessibility, classes are private by default, structs are public

cegprakash: jrke is #19 without mutation :O

struct: yes struct gives much more performance /s

cegprakash: have u benchmarked struct?

WINWINWIN: Has he even used pragma?

cegprakash: no jrke is #19 without pragmas

AntiSquid: i think there's a difference with the forward declaration of structs compared to classes

cegprakash: his code is just 100 lines in search race

cegprakash: I've a pleb 300 lines of code

cegprakash: with classes and functions

cegprakash: he has only 1 function apart from main

cegprakash: :D

Astrobytes: Not that I know of AntiSquid?

AntiSquid: then i am mixing things up

cegprakash: more like he inlined everything without using an inline

Imsure1200q: c++ is better for A*?

AntiSquid: in what way?

Imsure1200q: for backtracking once you have a solution

Default avatar.png JBM: ah i see it now right

Imsure1200q: c++ has pointers but javascript and others dont have

Default avatar.png JBM: that explains it all right

Imsure1200q: uhh jbm who u talking to lol

Default avatar.png JBM: i wonder

Imsure1200q: >:)))

Astrobytes: Yay for punctuation...

Astrobytes: Symbols ftw

Astrobytes: Finished yet Imsure1200q?

Illedan: So, 43 games on avg per submit eulerscheZahl? :P

Imsure1200q: haha (flashbacks about how bad websites explained A* and there was only one good one) no

Astrobytes: I told you to look at redblobgames

Imsure1200q: i dont think the redblobgames helped

Astrobytes: It's even interactive ffs

Astrobytes: If you can't understand it from that...

Imsure1200q: the redblobgames was about nodes like 1 to 1.4 unit away from each other

Astrobytes: Are you high?

Imsure1200q: but there was another site that explained it preety wel

Imsure1200q: no im not high

Imsure1200q: not allowed to take... things..

Astrobytes: I thought you said you 'knew' A* anyway, but no other pathfinding algorithms

Astrobytes: Something about only knowing A* and binary search

Imsure1200q: i thought i knew it cuz i learned it before but turns out the source that i learned it was incomplete

Imsure1200q: it didnt cover the "node = state" thingy

Astrobytes: Welp. Good luck with Space Maze.

eulerscheZahl: wood has less games Illedan or spam submits without waiting till the end

Imsure1200q: yah im making progress ;)

AntiSquid: i use geeksforgeeks Imsure1200q

Imsure1200q: hold on lemme search for it

AntiSquid: what other site did you use then that explained it well ?

Imsure1200q: imo this one did

Imsure1200q: but i also like the geeks one thnx

Astrobytes: Well, I tried to introduce you to pathfinding step by step with redblobgames, BFS, Dijkstra etc

cegprakash: A* looks like BFS

Astrobytes: You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink

cegprakash: I've never used A*

cegprakash: how is A* diff from BFS

Default avatar.png JBM: start comparing to dijkstra instead of bfs


Imsure1200q: but why bfs tho?

Astrobytes: Step by step, from bfs->dijkstra->astar

cegprakash: dijkstra we use priority_queue

cegprakash: instead of queue

Default avatar.png JBM: do you know why?

Imsure1200q: no

Default avatar.png JBM: sort that out first then

Imsure1200q: i dont even know whats priority_queue

Imsure1200q: im using javascript

Imsure1200q: is that a c++ library?

Astrobytes: I've been trying to get this guy to learn basic pathfinding all week. He wants to solve Space Maze


Imsure1200q: not all week its been 4 days at most

Default avatar.png JBM: which guy?

Imsure1200q: me

Default avatar.png JBM: oh that guy

Default avatar.png JBM: good luck

tomatoes: it's data structure

Astrobytes: Yeah, I give up.

Imsure1200q: okay

AntiSquid: maybe do something easier first Imsure1200q

Astrobytes: no, we tried to get him to do that already.

Imsure1200q: yeah

Imsure1200q: i mean i guess its pointless bcuz at one point i will get bored and go back to the hard questions

AntiSquid: scroll down, there are other ones related

AntiSquid: but can you even solve the easier ones?

Astrobytes: euler linked him the Forest Fire one the other day

eulerscheZahl: because it has a nice animation but is easier

Imsure1200q: oh yeah that one

AntiSquid: "got bored of the easy because i couldn't solve it so i went to the harder ones" ?

Astrobytes: Doesn't like puzzles without animations.

Imsure1200q: ye

eulerscheZahl: likes math but no formulas

Astrobytes: ^

Imsure1200q: ahh lol no

Imsure1200q: * likes math but no reading formulas

Astrobytes: Likes pathfinding without pathfinding

Imsure1200q: yes

AntiSquid: then play kutulu

Imsure1200q: whats that

AntiSquid: or code a la mode / pacman, they do the pathing for you

Imsure1200q: lol not right now

AntiSquid: this is the best time to pick and easir one and solve it

AntiSquid: an *

Astrobytes: Why don't you build a CNN A* ray-casting super algo

Imsure1200q: but seriously the only reason why i've been able to grow my skills extremely fast this year cuz im going to the hard ones right away

AntiSquid: wtf is that Astrobytes :p

Imsure1200q: lol

eulerscheZahl: you missed some :popcorn: AntiSquid

Imsure1200q: bcuz i wanted to test out raycasting

Astrobytes: Well, the other day he was gonna use a NN for Space Maze, then A* (but didn't know it), then, this morning: Ray-casting

Imsure1200q: but i found out its extremely time consuming (kinda) and its not worth it

Imsure1200q: also you forgot: 'i wanted to split a string

Astrobytes: ^

Imsure1200q: lol

Astrobytes: That too. Thank you.

AntiSquid: you should learn pathfinding, not use NN to do pathfinding for you, takes too long to train that shit

Imsure1200q: its good that i overcome that problem in no time

AntiSquid: i am trying to use NN in XR for the PUSH turns only :p

Imsure1200q: ^ which is why im not looking forward to nn anymore

AntiSquid: it's more like compiling some stats to find out best push moves for given board state

CommanderCero: Also neural networks are only good in recognizing patterns, pathfinding is pure brute force. You could use a nn to generate good heuristics but thats it

Astrobytes: Is it working yet AntiSquid or still outputting 6 3 ?

AntiSquid: no

AntiSquid: i fixed that bit somehow

Astrobytes: I thought you fixed it from 6 6 to 6 3 :P

AntiSquid: now i just need to make it stop swinging like a pendulum the weight values when training and make sure the results are good

Astrobytes: :D

Imsure1200q: is the oware thingy a NN challenge?

Astrobytes: Does your mouse work?

struct: you can use w/e

AntiSquid: everything is a whatever works works challenge

Astrobytes: I solved it using 2 magnets, a potato and some crocodile clips.

Imsure1200q: +

cegprakash: I see someone submitted my own code on my puzzle :O

cegprakash: did they copy paste from my contribution?

Default avatar.png JBM: most likely

cegprakash: is it allowed :o

Default avatar.png JBM: who knows

cegprakash: okay

cegprakash: to avoid ppl copy pasting

cegprakash: I'll give away a big hint

cegprakash: of using Bézout's identity

Imsure1200q: haha


here is that puzzle

gobber: hay guys

gobber: can you help me

gobber: ?

Default avatar.png JBM: probably not

gobber: ok what you doin?

Default avatar.png JBM: writing html for TVC

gobber: cool

Default avatar.png yhyoxx: help him guys come on

**Astrobytes sends help

gobber: its ok im a pro coder im just stummped

Astrobytes: I'm kinda busy rn but if you just ask your question someone might be able to help you

gobber: ok thx

Quidome: whats the problem?

AntiSquid: if you ask your question i can then pass to one of my secretaries in chat

gobber: ok so the one is

gobber: you know the last crusade 3

gobber: im stumped

Quidome: hm, ill be back in 30 minutes

gobber: ok





gobber: so im stumped

jacek: mhm

gobber: and its not working lol its so dumb

Astrobytes: So you copypasted from github, and it isn't working? :thinking:

gobber: nope

gobber: i tryed it my self then git hub

Astrobytes: First line: i got //

gobber: page not found

gobber: lol

struct: still

WINWINWIN: cyberlemonade probably did not give the perfect solution

WINWINWIN: why would he?

gobber: ?

struct: Might need to use google better

gobber: ? i did

WINWINWIN: He probably kept his previous versions there while he worked on it

gobber: oh ok but i went here and it dident work

Astrobytes: Don't come here telling us you're a pro coder, then post 4 disjointed sections of code you found on google, and try asking us to help you.

Astrobytes: Please.

WINWINWIN: Why dont you start with the easy puzzles?

struct: So you copy pasting code from a copy pasted code

struct: Not bad

WINWINWIN: I have not done last crusade 3 yet, but it if it like any other of the very hards, it is a full day`s work

Astrobytes: Copypaste Inception

Xcalibre: WINWINWIN u underestimate it

WINWINWIN: Underestimate what? :/

Xcalibre: last crusade episode 3

Astrobytes: The difficulty, I believe he means WINWINWIN

WINWINWIN: That hard huh :)

Xcalibre: yeah Astrobytes

gobber: fine i was a pro coder 4 years ago i just picked it up and im back i did atart with easy codes i did start frome easy to this one geze i tryed it my self and diden't work sorry fine ill leve thanks for helping

WINWINWIN: gobber there is nothing wrong with copy pasting puzzles

Astrobytes: ...

gobber: i know im not mad

WINWINWIN: but dont you want to do them on your own?

gobber: sorry lol

WINWINWIN: Next time, asking Automaton2000 for help is good

Automaton2000: but might be a feature

gobber: ? who is automaton2000

Automaton2000: i trying to solve the game

gobber: oh ok its you

Xcalibre: which game Automaton2000

Automaton2000: well that is a new multi

Imsure1200q: eulre when did you publich space maze

inoryy: Automaton2000 spill the beans

Automaton2000: it's not like i would be a problem for me in the first turn

Quidome: ok, i back, last crusade 3, well didn't try that one yet and think I am not of much help sorry

gobber: its ok

Astrobytes: o/ inoryy

gobber: ?

AntiSquid: 30 minutes to tell him that Quidome? nice

gobber: oh lol

WINWINWIN: gobber, why dont you try solving The Descent?

gobber: im trying that now thx

Quidome: sorry :(, something was happening here in my personal space wasn't clear about that

inoryy: \o Astrobytes

AntiSquid: are you doing any CG stuff inoryy ?

gobber: me

gobber: nvm

gobber: i finished the desent

WINWINWIN: Nicely done, try the first Last Crusade then

gobber: ok

WINWINWIN: build up to the 3rd episode

WINWINWIN: inoryy is working at DeepMind as interesting as it seems?

gobber: cool lol

inoryy: WINWINWIN it's quite fun, yeah :)

inoryy: AntiSquid thought about doing something on the ooc multi

TaimoorAbdullahKhan: Is there any plagerism check being done on our submissions?

TaimoorAbdullahKhan: like someone asked me to solve one of the questions to help them, i have done it, and given them the code, but i'm thinking should if i submit it on my side, will it cause them issues?

struct: I think they only check on contests

AntiSquid: yes for contests

AntiSquid: probably only at the end

jrke: when is next contest someone told me in june there is unofficial contest by thibpat

Man_on_the_Moon: i think the next contest is in the fall

Uljahn: jrke: check the forum

Uljahn: or discord

jrke: ya i checked from 5th june maybe

Man_on_the_Moon: oh i was wrong

Man_on_the_Moon: i dont know how to check these thing

Man_on_the_Moon: s

jrke: join thibpat server on discord

Man_on_the_Moon: ok i will

Man_on_the_Moon: thx


Kinlei: buy synapsex -

Default avatar.png IcePools: no kinlei

Kinlei: hi bby

Kinlei: join me

Default avatar.png IcePools: no

Kinlei: they-

Kinlei: ok

Kinlei: fuck you

Default avatar.png IcePools: we are already in one

Kinlei: ok

Kinlei: so you dont wait for me

Kinlei: kk

Astrobytes: Liking the perl submission in TVC JBM

Default avatar.png JBM: :bow:

jrke: [CG]Thibaud confirmed contest from this friday

eulerscheZahl: not a contest. just promoting an existing multiplayer game

jrke: but its unofficial contest written in discord

eulerscheZahl: just promoting an existing multiplayer game

eulerscheZahl: no new content

AntiSquid: let's hope it's XR

Astrobytes: So everyone competing in the same multiplayer game

AntiSquid: AutomatonNN what game would you pick?

struct: XR?

AutomatonNN: how do you play a game and then copy the replay so you should control the free to save me and maybe

Astrobytes: lol AntiSquid, let's hope the NN is up to speed then

jrke: ya euler that i know exsisting mutiplayer

AntiSquid: wouldn't save you even if you begged AutomatonNN

AutomatonNN: that is so not a huge battle and counter it

Astrobytes: Automaton2000, AutomatonNN is talking rubbish again, fix it

Automaton2000: why're u still not wood 3 ?

AutomatonNN: what trig the other player is the contest to the next contest?

Astrobytes: Pfff.

Astrobytes: Where is Space Maze Solver? Did he leave already?

AntiSquid: wonder if a prune array would help AutomatonNN, Automaton2000 build proper sentences

AutomatonNN: good

Automaton2000: want to see his code

Astrobytes: They agree.

Default avatar.png McJackson164: how can i get rid of captchas? damn, i'm not a robot

Astrobytes: Are you *completely* sure about that?

AntiSquid: stop playing clash, only way

Default avatar.png TheMysteriousDidgeridoo_be8a: Algorithms

Astrobytes: Proofs

eulerscheZahl: there will be more space maze solving tomorrow

Astrobytes: I can hardly contain my excitement

eulerscheZahl: somehow i have a feeling he might not solve it in the end

struct: Why do you say that euler?

eulerscheZahl: because i bet he will return tomorrow

struct: who?

Astrobytes: I have a similar feeling

eulerscheZahl: tried to solve space maze with a neural network and ray tracing so far

struct: nice troll

eulerscheZahl: something with 1200q, forgot the full nickname

Astrobytes: And A*. Even though he couldn't do it. And knows no pathfinding.

Astrobytes: 3 days 'solving' levels

eulerscheZahl: and he likes math. but not reading formulas

struct: Next thing you gonna say is that he uses D

Astrobytes: And couldn't split a string in C++ so 'ported his code' back to JS. Didn't know JS passed anything by reference (copies of references w/e), didn't know what objects, properties and prototypes were (he learned JS 3 years ago you see). Need we go on? :)

Astrobytes: The ray casting really made my morning though, I have to say.

eulerscheZahl: i missed it, just saw you nagging him :(

struct: The changes that they made to javascript make it so annoying to clash

struct: Why would they make all vars const ...

Astrobytes: They made JS *more* annoying? :P

eulerscheZahl: complain on the forum struct

eulerscheZahl: i vaguely remember someone did already

struct: It's annoying on fastest

Astrobytes: Fix ur speed struct

AntiSquid: iamsure1200iq

Astrobytes: That's the one

eulerscheZahl: iq? are you sure?

Astrobytes: -i

Astrobytes: Nah, it's Imsure1200q

AntiSquid: hm maybe i forgot his username or he deleted

Astrobytes: AntiSquid

Astrobytes: Imsure about this

eulerscheZahl: but are you sure 1200q?

Astrobytes: Guess he probably github'd the JS CSB gold bot he has

AntiSquid: i misread it lol

Astrobytes: I can never be sure 1200q euler

Astrobytes: Only he can.

AntiSquid: what does the q stand for then

AntiSquid: i kept reading it as IQ

eulerscheZahl: yeah, you told that it's not his real IQ

eulerscheZahl: which made no sense to me

AntiSquid: with 1200 IQ he could be doing what he said he is doing and we are a bunch of idiots for laughing at him :/


WINWINWIN: But, cant blame him for struggling with Space Maze

eulerscheZahl: i still can't solve part 2 :cry:

Astrobytes: q = questionable

struct: Have you tried NN euler?

Astrobytes: Try ray-casting.

eulerscheZahl: yeah but without raytracing so far

eulerscheZahl: :D

AntiSquid: try gaymax

eulerscheZahl: this time you were faster

Astrobytes: ;)

Astrobytes: You need to write down all the moves in other people's replays euler, then pretend you're not gonna hardcode them. Then ask about validators.

jrke: hey lets vote which multiplayer we want

Astrobytes: Why?

jrke: just for fun

eulerscheZahl: i vote for carcassonne

eulerscheZahl: that's a hint, wlesavo ;)

Astrobytes: Fishy Adventure

WINWINWIN: After a cursory read, is this logic fair for space maze? pathfinder only allowing ground tiles and n voids where n is the number of floaters, then move the floaters to accomodate that path?

AntiSquid: BOTG jrke

jrke: i vote for CSB a only vote for it maybe

WINWINWIN: CSB is boring

AntiSquid: that would be stupid if it's CSB :D


Astrobytes: Please not f'ing CSB

WINWINWIN: Exactly my reaction :P

jrke: i said only vote for CSB ;)

WINWINWIN: If it is physics based then Mean Max would be a lot more fun

Astrobytes: define 'fun'

WINWINWIN: new and not as monotonic

jrke: bit runner will be tough enough

AntiSquid: jrke i bet any of the games with 3k+ players in them won't be the contest, 100% sure

Astrobytes: Do you know how long I've been putting off the sim for that?

AntiSquid: sure1200q

AntiSquid: actually

WINWINWIN: what is 1200q?

AntiSquid: idk

Astrobytes: BR? That would be interesting.

WINWINWIN: Already done :/

jrke: but tough enough

Astrobytes: As in losing lots of players really fast.

jrke: only 4 in wood 1(BT)

eulerscheZahl: every game is touch when you try hard

Astrobytes: BT jrke?

jrke: Bit runner

AntiSquid: i mean look at thib pat's streams, i think he will pick something newbie friendly

jrke: sorry typing mist its BR

WINWINWIN: Tulips and Daisies?

Astrobytes: oh, BR :) The bosses are *hard*

AntiSquid: as in definitely not BR imo

Astrobytes: ^

WINWINWIN: How about Yinsh?

eulerscheZahl: i bet he will choose something that he wants to play himself. and not a community contribution

AntiSquid: something he will probably have fun streaming, kinda have a feeling he also wants to stream

Astrobytes: Probably. Do we care?

eulerscheZahl: i don't

WINWINWIN: PCR would probably be the best choice then?

AntiSquid: why euler? he tried twist, maybe he wants to play tower defence

eulerscheZahl: done most games

Astrobytes: *dereference

WINWINWIN: Wouldnt matter to you eulerscheZahl :P legend in all multis

AntiSquid: too long :p

Astrobytes: (see what I did there?)

jrke: ya PCR can be

eulerscheZahl: legend doesn't mean that i'm done

eulerscheZahl: just that i lost motivation

eulerscheZahl: there are bots where i'm happy, e.g. smash the code

WINWINWIN: Not many people are high ranking in PCR so wouldnt it be the natural choice?

AntiSquid: you're done when you are 4 points above 2nd in every multi :p

eulerscheZahl: and others where i just reached legend and called it a day

jrke: FB?

AntiSquid: funny bits

Astrobytes: I think that's why multi of the month was a good idea, to pique your interest again with some active participation

eulerscheZahl: "Not many people are high ranking in PCR "

eulerscheZahl: there are always 10 players in top10...

WINWINWIN: :) I meant that over 1K are in the bottommost league

jrke: i think they won't choose latest bot programming

eulerscheZahl: i'm fine with a multiplayer game of the month. i just refuse to call it a "contest"

Astrobytes: It better not be UTG/CR or Code Royale

AntiSquid: not many are high rank = legend isn't flooded :p

struct: Who the hell is accepting these clashes

Astrobytes: Yes eulerscheZahl

WINWINWIN: That makes sense, contest should probably be reserved for new Multis to give it seriousness

struct: a = 'JFMAMJJASOND'*50 m = input() print(a[a.find(m) + len(m)])

struct: This shit was reverse

Astrobytes: yeah WINWINWIN, I think thibpat has got that idea now from us all suggesting it :)

jrke: PCR is looking good as participants<3000 and held in 2014 so its looks good

eulerscheZahl: january, february, march, ...

eulerscheZahl: ezpz struct


jrke: just imagine if descent ;)

Astrobytes: Not a multi

jrke: :smile:

AntiSquid: there's a huge influx of new players doing clash and clash puzzles all the time so ... @struct also you don't need level you need clashes played for clash moderation

Astrobytes: struct - that was seriously a reverse clash?

struct: yes


Astrobytes: I mean I know they said "no clash is too easy" but for crying out loud, that's atrocious

AntiSquid: you need 1200iq

struct: euler got it preety fast though

struct: I think he is accepting the clashes invites

WINWINWIN: Exactly AntiSquid, Astrobytes there are some easier clashes out there

Astrobytes: I got it as soon as I looked at it. It's RIDICULOUSLY easy

Astrobytes: To the point of pointlessness

AntiSquid: he has some magical search app struct

WINWINWIN: There was one where you have to do a titling of all the words of a string

Astrobytes: Not really needed there AntiSquid!

WINWINWIN: in python that is literally print(s.title())

Astrobytes: What capitalise all the words?

AntiSquid: a = 'JFMAMJJASOND'*50

how do i deduce it then from the caps ?

jrke: what about OOC

jrke: maybe can't

WINWINWIN: OOC people just spent a month on

AntiSquid: ah ok .

jrke: PCR is getting highest probality

AntiSquid: but it looks random -,.....,-

eulerscheZahl: struct i sometimes read pending contributions and shake my head about the nonsense there

eulerscheZahl: and i have a good memory sometimes

struct: I dont even know what went through my head to try clashes again

AntiSquid: good way to fill your mind with useless shit

Astrobytes: Yes, same euler, some of the utter tripe in there is beyond belief

AntiSquid: wait tripe is bad?

WINWINWIN: Take this one for example,


Astrobytes: jrke, I bet you 95.05 (virtual) rupees that it's not gonna be PCR

AntiSquid: you have haggis as national favorite

WINWINWIN: Reasonably tough puzzle... But the "took me 3 mins to write the code" was ridiculous

jrke: i m not betting cz i don't want to win money ;)

AntiSquid: ah nvm ignore me

Astrobytes: AntiSquid, I used to eat a lot of tripe when I wasn't veggie actually. Mostly CEntral-Eastern european soups and stews

jrke: hey going to sleep bye everyone

jrke: astrobytes no bet :)

Astrobytes: lol gn jrke

Astrobytes: :D

AntiSquid: i forgot there's no tripe in haggis ... also forgot about the cow tripe with cream soup

eulerscheZahl: i bet it will be hypersonic

Astrobytes: AntiSquid, haggis is great

WINWINWIN: Who is python programer?

AntiSquid: what made you turn vegetarian ?

WINWINWIN: Some of his comments on contributions are ridiculous

AntiSquid: i use python ?

Alshock: @WINWINWIN I prented to be, but I don't know what I'm doing

eulerscheZahl: i puked and saw the remains. made me think about what i'm eating

AntiSquid: does that make me a python programmer?

WINWINWIN: I meant the id

eulerscheZahl: and that the poor animal died for nothing

WINWINWIN: python_programer

Alshock: @eulerscheZahl not sure if dying for something is actually a thing.

Astrobytes: AntiSquid was cooking a lot of veg stuff for my mother as she was having some allergy issues, plus I have a lot of vegan friends and am an animal lover and environmental conservationist. Made sense tbh

eulerscheZahl: i mean i started questioning my behaviour. i can live without anyone having to die.

eulerscheZahl: that was > 20 years ago

Astrobytes: Absolutely.

AntiSquid: idk ... my best selling dishes were vegan mostly, didn't turn me into a vegan vegetarian :p

Alshock: well, without anyone having to die seems a bit optimistic, but it makes sense to try and reduce that number

AntiSquid: by best selling i mean they sold out too fucking quickly

eulerscheZahl: because you had to less of them?

AntiSquid: no

WINWINWIN: These kinds of comments should not be allowed on contributions

WINWINWIN: python_programerPP16 days ago stfu m8,

AntiSquid: they looked pretty, veg dishes can be colorful

eulerscheZahl: so vegans (and others) actually buy your dishes, not just demand you to offer them. that distinguishes them from D coders

AntiSquid: i think it's law to offer some vegan or veg items on the menu, 1 or 2 ...

Astrobytes: Most food I cook is vegan by default, not deliberate. I just can't resist cheese. Although the horrors of the dairy industry are clear to me.

Astrobytes: WINWINWIN "python_programerPP16 " is IAmNoob

Astrobytes: "that distinguishes them from D coders" :D

AntiSquid: so much hate for D :p

Astrobytes: I'm not hating on the language, just those zealots

Astrobytes: Not my cup of tea but sure it has it's uses like most langs.

Astrobytes: And it's a good CG meme now so... :P

AntiSquid: it's a fast scripting language, maybe that's why it's backed by zealots

eulerscheZahl: it's compiled

AntiSquid: i don't really get the meme though, don't find it funny

Astrobytes: I can deal with Zealots but if they bring Carriers we're fked

AntiSquid: well script like syntax

Astrobytes: *Some script-like syntax

AntiSquid: what do you mean by " if they bring Carriers we're fked"

Astrobytes: Weird combo for me, but whatever

Astrobytes: Never played StarCraft AntiSquid?

AntiSquid: i did

Astrobytes: Protoss

struct: I played like 10 minutes and got bored

AntiSquid: mm

struct: not my type of game

Astrobytes: Zealots, carriers, probes, templar etc

Alshock: In 6 pools we trust

Alshock: Yeah I never played starcraft, and I just know some random memes

AntiSquid: need additional button mashing skills

AntiSquid: maybe we should have a D only contest ? :p

AntiSquid: D Heroes

Astrobytes: I didn't get into multi SC2, just SC then BW

Astrobytes: D'Heroes

AntiSquid: played sc2 for story

Alshock: BW ?

Astrobytes: Me too AntiSquid

AntiSquid: was disappointed / annoyed at the end

Astrobytes: Brood War Alshock

Alshock: Thanks and sorry xD

Astrobytes: Sorry for...?

AntiSquid: stopped playing blizz games, D3 story disappointed too (just personal opinion)

Astrobytes: Diablo 2 was best, but I still like grinding D3 single player or with a mate or 2

Astrobytes: Can't beat the atmosphere of original Diablo tho', the music, the darkness, 'twas awesome at the time

AntiSquid: do we need a D2 clone on CG ? fastest speedrun wins ?

Astrobytes: lol, I think not

Astrobytes: That's a RAIC candidate no?

Astrobytes: :D

AntiSquid: i liked the 2D shooter, except for the random aim

AntiSquid: the rules were annoyingly complicated, but i could have still enjoyed the game

Astrobytes: I didn't see it until it was too late, looked alright til I heard about it :D

AntiSquid: if you move while shooting aim becomes even more random

Astrobytes: Wouldn't be RAIC if the rules weren't annoyingly complicated tho

AntiSquid: but why random aim

Astrobytes: Movement anxiety? :P

AntiSquid: even if you stand still

Astrobytes: Your AI automatically has some kind of PTSD?

AntiSquid: hands shaking

eulerscheZahl: the suicide mines annoyed me much more than the random aim

Astrobytes: Also, what was with the ladders, when you could jump up to a platform anyway? Or was that just one replay I saw

AntiSquid: some times they were useful to climb

AntiSquid: in final part of the contest they def were

Astrobytes: Ah right

eulerscheZahl: you could stand in the air on ladders

Astrobytes: As in just be halfway up a ladder or actually in mid-air?

eulerscheZahl: stand anywhere on the ladder

AntiSquid: the random aim meant that beginner bots could still wreck you just by running towards you and shooting, no pathing needed

AntiSquid: default bot even

eulerscheZahl: just jumping without ladder => you fall down again, easy target

AntiSquid: i still remember late in contest, top 10 players were losing vs some default bots :p

eulerscheZahl: so ladders were a plus at dodging

Astrobytes: Yeah, I see the importance of ladders now, didn't know you could stay on them

WINWINWIN: When exacly do they update codinpoints?

Astrobytes: 1am French time?

eulerscheZahl: once per day. in about 6h i think

eulerscheZahl: i'm always sleeping when it happens

AntiSquid: 1 am UK time actually

Astrobytes: Ah OK


AntiSquid: quarter past midnight french time

AntiSquid: afaik

Astrobytes: Eh?

eulerscheZahl: isn't that 2am french?

AntiSquid: i checked leaderboard few times after french midnight

Astrobytes: They're 1 hour ahead of us squiddy

AntiSquid: and it's not updated

AntiSquid: it's always at 1:15 am or so

AntiSquid: UK time

eulerscheZahl: so 2:15 french time

AntiSquid: ah nvm it is 2am france

AntiSquid: ya ok my bad

eulerscheZahl: CEST

eulerscheZahl: right now it's 5 past bed time

eulerscheZahl: see you

AntiSquid: bye

Astrobytes: CEST? C'est vrai!

Astrobytes: gn

eulerscheZahl: contral eurpoean summer time :rolling_eyes:

Astrobytes: *central

Astrobytes: I just said "it's true"

Astrobytes: Bad pun?

Hvosten: Hi Guys, Do you use maybe file merger for Java? I tried various option and nothing works for me :/

AntiSquid: 7 am to 7 am why does the contest start at 8 in the morning? :D

Astrobytes: Hvosten I thiiiink if you search on the forum, there's one or two file mergers for Java

Astrobytes: At least one anyway

Astrobytes: AntiSquid thibpat streams clashes at 8am ffs, man's a beast

Hvosten: I tried them I cannot force them to work :D

Astrobytes: Post a request for help in the forum thread? Or ask here, maybe someone can help you get them working (not me, Java gives me a headache)

AntiSquid: @Astrobytes snaps fingers and plays same playlist

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: JBM, if you're around, the TVC viewer goes blank after a couple of games. Consistently. In Chrome. Other games not doing the same.

Astrobytes: Seems to be fine in Opera and FF

Astrobytes: struct, what's happening with Shabu/Shobu/Shamu/Shangis/whateverit'scalled?

jacek: shtruct

Astrobytes: Hey jacek, you should make Yahtzee

Default avatar.png JBM: interesting, lemme try

Default avatar.png JBM: mmm

Default avatar.png JBM: not here :(

Astrobytes: Any luck reproducing JBM? In true bug-form, it hasn't happened since I reported it. Yet it's been happening all day (on 2 different PCs) with multiple restarts.

Astrobytes: Ah.

Default avatar.png JBM: mmm

Default avatar.png JBM: i only started pushing stuff at around 6 CEST

Default avatar.png JBM: and then again, did not touch the viewer today

Astrobytes: One Win 8.1 and one Win 10

Default avatar.png JBM: i only have a win10

Default avatar.png JBM: chrome, errr 83.0.4103.61

Default avatar.png JBM: ... .97 now

Astrobytes: I'm on latest w/ever that is

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: I also had a few black screens (Firefox)

Astrobytes: Interesting

Astrobytes: Recent?

Default avatar.png JBM: nope, still get my ui

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: yes

Default avatar.png JBM: i only get a temporary black sometimes as part of the demo

Astrobytes: No, this is full-on blackout

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: it was full black here

Default avatar.png JBM: the rest of the ui still working?

Default avatar.png JBM: what does the console report?

Astrobytes: Didn't check console, if it happens again I'll let you know

Default avatar.png JBM: yes please

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: everything else seemed normal

Astrobytes: What were your UI settings UnnamedCodinGamer?

Astrobytes: Verbose trolling etc

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: like theme?

Astrobytes: No the settings for the viewer

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: on/off/GREen

Default avatar.png JBM: you have to give the actual options

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: I think this is the default

Default avatar.png JBM: the ordering is random

Default avatar.png JBM: the defaults, OTOH, aren't (too much)

Default avatar.png JBM: like, pants color definitely is random

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: verbose trolling on

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: detroll mode off

Default avatar.png JBM: but a bad pants color would likely merely result in a naked troll, not a crash or allblack ui

Default avatar.png JBM: yes, those are the defaults

Default avatar.png JBM: well, no matter if it currently doesn't reproduce

Default avatar.png JBM: and if it does

Default avatar.png JBM: please look at the JS console

Astrobytes: Then I've had it with detroll mode on and off

Astrobytes: Will certainly do

Default avatar.png JBM: is that in the main viewer only or in last battles?

Astrobytes: Main viewer only

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: i had both

Default avatar.png JBM: because it doesn't in B, or because you never tried?

Default avatar.png JBM: ah ok

Default avatar.png JBM: thx

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: after reload of last battles it was back to normal

Default avatar.png JBM: mmm

Astrobytes: Could be a resource usage thing over x amount of time

Astrobytes: Donno

Default avatar.png JBM: if it's irreproducible after reload, i'm tempted to dismiss as "something something cache"

Default avatar.png JBM: resource usage i'm more doubtful

Default avatar.png JBM: but who knows

Astrobytes: Was still getting it after clearing cache earlier

Default avatar.png JBM: dear me

Default avatar.png JBM: ok, creating an actual entry in the PLAB

Astrobytes: Anyway, don't worry about it too much until we can give you some more details

Default avatar.png JBM: right

Default avatar.png JBM: eagerly awaiting those

Astrobytes: Anybody doing any kind of search in this or is it just True AI and random()?

Default avatar.png JBM: entry created

Astrobytes: Cool

Default avatar.png JBM: :zipper_mouth:

Default avatar.png JBM: totally true ai

Default avatar.png JBM: more true than a scotsman

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: what is True AI?

Astrobytes: I've got a alphabeta which worked surprisingly well

Astrobytes: Just a CG meme since last contest UnnamedCodinGamer - If-else

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: aha

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: I have monte carlo search plus a couple of if - else

Default avatar.png JBM: just some guy trying to justify he should be ranked better than the opponents he lost to

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: I was gonna try some kind of MCTS but I messed it up, might try again

Default avatar.png JBM: i know it sounds stupid when you spell it out like this

Default avatar.png JBM: but that's what i read into it

Astrobytes: It's on point JBM

Astrobytes: Your search worked well UnnamedCodinGamer :)

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: hm

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: if you are referring to my current position - half of the bots are broken

Astrobytes: Yeah, it's annoying af

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: but yes, I was 9th before that

Default avatar.png UnnamedCodinGamer: yes, you can not test much now

Astrobytes: Indeed

pb4: Who's working on TvC at the moment ?

Default avatar.png JBM: only me it seems

Astrobytes: Us.

Default avatar.png JBM: patches welcome!

Default avatar.png JBM: please send help

Astrobytes: Oh well, not working on the source :P

pb4: sending thoughts and prayers

Astrobytes: :pray:

Default avatar.png JBM: i suppose that's (unprovably) better than nothing

pb4: Thanks for pushing me up Astrobytes :D

Default avatar.png JBM: so thanks for the intent

Astrobytes: lol pb4

Astrobytes: JBM I can piss in the wind if you like, I hear it's just as effective :+1:

Default avatar.png JBM: you write up bug reports

Default avatar.png JBM: that's a great help

Astrobytes: pb4 as UnnamedCodinGamer pointed out, too many broken bots in lb right now

Default avatar.png JBM: oh, and text content too

Astrobytes: Yeah, OK, I guess :)

Default avatar.png JBM: oh dear i'm mixing up the true AI guy and the please upgrade my rank one

Default avatar.png JBM: how unfair to... either of them i guess

Default avatar.png JBM: UnnamedCodinGamer: but you've got the spring challenge summary there in a nutshell

Astrobytes: Ah yeah. I still think there's a bit of overlap there though.

Default avatar.png JBM: still craking up at this one

Default avatar.png JBM: "the system favors bots ranked 50-60"

Default avatar.png JBM: now why didn't *I* think of just writing a rank 50-60 bot?

Default avatar.png JBM: that would have favored me, who knows, i might even have won

Default avatar.png JBM: oh sorry it's 40-50 in the original

Default avatar.png JBM: not sure my point still stands

Astrobytes: :P

Astrobytes: Must bear this in mind for next contest.

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah, heed the wisdom in *that*

Astrobytes: Truly words to live by.

struct: Is oware simple?

Default avatar.png JBM: yes

Astrobytes: Yes. But complex.

Default avatar.png JBM: 5 letters

Astrobytes: In it's own way.

Default avatar.png JBM: hard to trim

Astrobytes: lol

Astrobytes: Don't tell me you're doing an alphazero too struct

struct: no

Astrobytes: OK. Then what...

struct: mcts?

Astrobytes: Has to be EPT

Astrobytes: Can also alphabeta

struct: ept?

Astrobytes: Early playout termination

Astrobytes: AFAIK we all use depth 0

Astrobytes: So, instead of rollout, eval

Astrobytes: Getting your eval right is the hard bit

Astrobytes: I used alphabeta up to a point then tried to MCTS, then plugged in the eval and went from there

Astrobytes: There's too much happening for a straight MCTS to work

struct: hmm

jacek: do propagate eval or just squash it into win/lose

struct: I might just port shobu then

Astrobytes: You can do either jacek, but because of the strategic aspect it's hard to just win or lose

Astrobytes: You can cap your eval to certain values though

Astrobytes: Take one position and it looks like you're dead in the water, one move later you've won

jacek: like uttt

Astrobytes: Eval is more important here

Astrobytes: I mean I haven't done UTTT but I'm sickeningly familiar with it

jacek: no good eval for uttt exists

Astrobytes: Exactly

Astrobytes: Eval for Oware does

jacek: but mcts shows 65+% win, then move later, loss

Astrobytes: Yes, because each step needs eval

Astrobytes: Seems a bit weird at first to use MCTS in this way but it works

jacek: well for breakthrough smart people used 4 random moves before using eval in ept

Astrobytes: You won't get away with that in Oware. Random starting moves will not benefit you

Astrobytes: *a series of random moves

Astrobytes: Anyway, I need to go have a snack then sleep, ping me tomorrow jacek

jacek: what for :?

Astrobytes: Any questions or discussions

Astrobytes: Or random trolls :P

Astrobytes: Anyway, gn/bn/dobranoc

Default avatar.png JBM: gn

Default avatar.png koduncu: why dont you share yours codes

Default avatar.png JBM: why should we?

Default avatar.png JBM: do you share yours?

Default avatar.png koduncu: yes

Default avatar.png JBM: ok

Default avatar.png JBM: then we should

Default avatar.png koduncu: i want to learn how you solved problems

LelouchVC2: It's not something you learn

LelouchVC2: It's a gift from God

ZarthaxX: LMAO

struct: ZarthaxX

Default avatar.png JLace: wait, what am I supposed to be doing?

Default avatar.png JLace: lol

Default avatar.png JLace: first time, rip me

ZarthaxX: hey struct

Default avatar.png JAJAJAJAJoe: I'm kind of having trouble understanding the `Telephone Numbers` challenge, what exactly is it asking to be transformed?

LelouchVC2: Which one is that

LelouchVC2: CoC or puzzle?

Default avatar.png JAJAJAJAJoe: just puzzle, under practice. Medium I think

LelouchVC2: The one where you use a trie tree?

Default avatar.png JAJAJAJAJoe: I guess it makes sense if the 5 numbers depicted need to be stored. Yeah, that's it

Default avatar.png JAJAJAJAJoe: OOooooooh I think I see what it's asking. disregard, and thank you!

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: ...I am very confused. So I'm doing the Temperatures puzzle, and, as far as I can tell the autogenerated code doesn't actually parse all the entries?

Snef: it does but you have to store them

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: Right, I've got a for-loop storing them into a table, but. There are five expected entries, and the table is only taking four of them, the first one seems to be getting dropped.

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: I'm probably overthinking this, but

Snef: the default code is not bugged

Snef: which langage do you use

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: Lua

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: Oh, I see what I'm doing wrong

Snef: i tried it and it works


Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: The default loop starts at i=o, and I'm using that value to initialize my table, so it's trying to put the first value in temp[0]

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: Which I'm pretty sure is no bueno

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: There we go, now it's actually grabbing the whole thing. Sorry to be a pest

Default avatar.png TheAwardWinningStopwatch_865b: i=0 not i=o, fatfingers

code_maniac: What's wrong with chat server ? it keep on crashing :/

Imsure1200q: maybe restart your browser and do codingame first thing

Imsure1200q: *computer not browser

code_maniac: Thanks man, but still no luck

Imsure1200q: i think some users also experience the problem sometimes

Imsure1200q: either your computer overloaded, or the network is slow, or maybe the codingame server is being overloaded

code_maniac: Internet and computer doesn't seems to be issue, as i am able to access other website properly without any issue