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Default avatar.png DragonJ: yes

jrke: Dragonj whats your league in CSB

AbundantPuddle: I don't remember a velocity angle or distance angle in CSB. I only remember there was a distance from the checkpoint and angle to checkpoint. I was only in bronze league though.

jrke: CSB is easy till gold

Default avatar.png TheIceSponge_84a2: hello

WINWINWIN: Hi TheIceSponge_84a2

ShlOk: Hola

JKSTUDIOS2020: hola

JKSTUDIOS2020: hello

drykberg: When is the next challenge

JKSTUDIOS2020: hey

JKSTUDIOS2020: They see it is the next year

JKSTUDIOS2020: say*

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: guys, i get correct output in my local pc, but different in CG

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: what's wrong?

ReborN: using random ?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: first test should be correct

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: or even more than one test

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: 3 tests out of 5 are correct in my local PC, but only the 2nd test in CG showing me correct output.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: WTF

WINWINWIN: Just learnt Floyd Warshall and used it in GitC anyone can advice a nother puzzle or game where I can use it?

Uljahn: any grid- or graph-based game?

Uljahn: e.g. using it in platinum rift

Uljahn: there are large maps in PR2, so have to use scipy in python

wlesavo: there are actualy not that many games on cg where you need a path searching on weighted graph, at least from what ive played

wlesavo: but you can still use fw instead of bfs i guess

WINWINWIN: Ty wlesavo, Uljahn but I dont think that some of the games have weighted graphs that can be precomputed

WINWINWIN: Will try it out in PR

wlesavo: lol 7 acceptions on yinsh

struct: :(

jacek: universe doesnt want yinsh

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: anyone knows why I'm getting correct output on my PC but not in CG

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: ?

struct: validators are differnt from test cases

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: but still

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: my code is generalized

struct: What puzzle?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: MIME

struct: language?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: C

struct: paste the code here

Default avatar.png ArianPunk:

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: wait

Default avatar.png ArianPunk:

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: my code doesn't work on capitalized file formats (i.e. TXT != txt)

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: but still it is giving me correct results when used for lower-cased file formats.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: That means, the first three cases are ok on my PC, and I know they are all lowercase on CG as well. So, there shouldn't be a problem.

wlesavo: 4th case have capitals


Default avatar.png ArianPunk: yes

wlesavo: oh i misread

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: but not the first 3

Uljahn: looks like your code only prints UNKNOWN on CG, you could use debug output to find the cause

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I generalized to upper and lower case, and still no change.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Although I get correct output on all cases on my PC

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Where to debug output in CG?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: It doesn't always output UNKNOWN.

Uljahn: are you using the same compiler as CG's?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Try the first case and you will see that only the 1st out of 3 outputs is UNKNOWN

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I don't know.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: mingw

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: mine is.


Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I checked the url.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: it says CG's is GCC.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I don't think that's the problem.

Uljahn: also there is a commented line with debug print in the default code

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: yea, so?

RoboStac: you've removed an fgetc(stdin) line from the stub code so you aren't reading the inputs correctly

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: i fflushed it

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: You're correct

RoboStac: fflush doesn't do anything on an input stream

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Thank you. Now only the last test is incorrect.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I used fflush coz' in stack overflow some have suggested on some posts.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I used fflush in another script and it seems it worked.

Default avatar.png Rafdune: Hi everybody !

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: hye

Default avatar.png DevelopWithAP: Hi everyone

kovi: very nice neumann

Neumann: Hardcoded :/

kovi: not nice then

Neumann: Last non-hardcoded was 10607

kovi: that is still nice

Neumann: Yup

Neumann: But not enough to beat a NN :D

kovi: :)

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Robostac you are in Manchester?

Default avatar.png TTTao: Hello,everybody!

wlesavo: Neumann how many test hardcoded?

Default avatar.png TTTao: SOOOOOOHARD CODED:grimacing:

WINWINWIN: What is the equivalent of a HashMap in C#?

Astrobytes: Dictionary I think

Tiramon: tried ?


WINWINWIN: Tiramon tried that :D

Tiramon: gives me a pretty precise answer to that question ;)

WINWINWIN: people only say dictionary, wanted to know if there is a better alternative

Astrobytes: If people only say one thing, that should give you an idea


Uljahn: try associative arrays :smirk:

Neumann: wlesavo: all of them

darkhorse64: How much can we reach without hardcoding ? sub 11k ?

darkhorse64: Sorry, the answer is in the scroll

jacek: harcoding? were?

darkhorse64: Speed Race

Astrobytes: *Search Race

Astrobytes: ;)

struct: Sub 11k is possible yeah

wlesavo: wow, thats hardcore hardcoding Neumann

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Guys, are google Facebook etc. employees play CG too?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Do*

ReborN: Some for sure

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: what are the competitors of CG, if any?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I mean other websites similar to CG.



Default avatar.png ArianPunk: there's too many.

Uljahn: they are not even close to CG by user experience i guess

ReborN: CG design and UI looks so clean compared to some of their main competitors

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Yeah, my thought the same.

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: I see no reason to join them

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Are there any Rankings for CG like games as well?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: CG-lie websites*

cegprakash: how do I check my rank in all multis in 1 page?

struct: you go to your profile

struct: press rank

struct: then press bot programming


cegprakash: my oware rank not showing here

struct: oware not on the game list I guess

struct: hasnt been updated

ShlOk: Hola

struct: hi

AntiSquid: is yinsh dead?

struct: I wonder what is the bug :thinking:

struct: could it be due to this?


eulerscheZahl: hmm

AntiSquid: doubt it, contribs shouldn't affect each other

AntiSquid: but why keep the old one?

struct: I cant delete it

AntiSquid: i know they don't affect each other because i had 2 diff botg contribs backwhen ...

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl I rekt u

cegprakash: did u see

cegprakash: I rekt u

cegprakash: on Oware

cegprakash: AntiSquid rekt u too

Astrobytes: I rekt you harder cegprakash :P

Astrobytes: Are you gonna continue with alphabeta or try a different algo?

cegprakash: Done with Oware

cegprakash: out off ideas

cegprakash: I'm planning lot of streams forward

Uljahn: the only true rekt is reking maddy in csb :smirk:

cegprakash: paper soccer, search race, fantastic bits and then UTTT

cegprakash: UTTT I plan MCTS

Astrobytes: Not trying hard enough, the highest alphabeta in there is tric trac in 6th place ;)

jacek: in uttt?

Astrobytes: no, oware

cegprakash: Astrobytes my eval only has 4 params

cegprakash: I reached #18 without knowing how to play Oware

jacek: but are they tuned

cegprakash: I mean I don't really have a strat inn my eval

Neumann: This isn't a golfing competition

nocturnalmachine: anyone ever heard of cfengine?

RoboStac: good, I don't want to have to golf my nn weights

Neumann: :D

cegprakash: golfing?

Astrobytes: I've got 6 or 7 params cegprakash, it's all about getting the right weights

Astrobytes: lol robo

cegprakash: I only have 4 and I'm above u

cegprakash: meaning ur params are bad or ur depth is bad

Astrobytes: above me?

Astrobytes: In Oware?

cegprakash: I'm #18

cegprakash: above euler

nocturnalmachine: anyone ever seen a good article, write up, book on the different ways math is applied to solve problems (in the context of programming)?

cegprakash: euler is #19

Astrobytes: I'm 7th, above you cegprakash

cegprakash: oh sorry

cegprakash: I confuse between u and AntiSquid

Astrobytes: How is that even possible?

Astrobytes: :D

cegprakash: coz both ur names start with A

cegprakash: and u both troll me

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: You love it

jacek: euler starts with A?

Astrobytes: Anyway, I helped you with your Oware, so I got a free pass to troll you harder

cegprakash: u deserve it

cegprakash: u earned it

Astrobytes: :)

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl never teaches me things

cegprakash: I cry to him how to find timeouts

cegprakash: no. of timeouts

cegprakash: after submissionn

cegprakash: he doesn't share script

Astrobytes: Write your own! Hard work goes into writing your own tools you know

dbdr: I think the best would be to lobby CG to provide the info

cegprakash: but I don't get it

dbdr: make it visible in last battles

cegprakash: what's the point in building if u don't want others to use it/learn from it

dbdr: then it would be easy to script cheaply as well for everyone

Astrobytes: Meh. We've been requesting that for as long as I've been around at least

dbdr: there is a specific reason not to share it

dbdr: didn't he say?

eulerscheZahl: cegprakash i shared a lot with that already

dbdr: by the way, eulerscheZahl, do you use the small or the big replays?

eulerscheZahl: ?

eulerscheZahl: leaderboard last battles

dbdr: there are several APIs to get replay jsons

Uljahn: with api key provided?

eulerscheZahl: let me guess: IDE last battles are slightly different?

dbdr: I think that's the small one, so :+1:

dbdr: there is one that includes the complete code of the javascript viewer inside the json :/

Uljahn: ah, i though of the difference in debug output

Astrobytes: lol, wow

dbdr: I think that's what uses, because otherwise it would not even know what game it is

dbdr: but they could have used one indirection, to avoid sending it each time...

eulerscheZahl: oh right. i don't have that inside the response.json() but it seems i get it without the json() part

eulerscheZahl: didn't investigate tbh

dbdr: that does not sound right to me

dbdr: isn't json() the parsed version of .text ?

eulerscheZahl: you can even test it with my playground

eulerscheZahl: wget on page 2

eulerscheZahl: is with JS

eulerscheZahl: findInformationById

eulerscheZahl: oh, my python uses findByGameId

dbdr: so you use the big one then :(

eulerscheZahl: no, small

dbdr: well, the one that has the JS

dbdr: so your scripts don't use it, but your playground does?

eulerscheZahl: that wget was just to show how to get access. the python is what i do for my actual analysis

dbdr: might be good to update the playground

eulerscheZahl: true

dbdr: avoid more people hammering the servers

dbdr: Astrobytes: yeah, probably json that contains js that contains json...

Astrobytes: Nice...!

dbdr: frontend development culture is not very efficient

Astrobytes: Clearly! Gone are the days of keeping things lightweight eh

dbdr: those who care do get a benefit though

dbdr: fast website => more users, more happy users

Astrobytes: Indeed. I suppose it applies to general development too, unless it's embedded stuff people are just lazy about resource usage and afficiency

Astrobytes: *efficiency

ZarthaxX: too many abstractions


ZarthaxX: hi AstroBanga

Astrobytes: Yeah that's a good one jacek

eulerscheZahl: i updated the playground dbdr

Astrobytes: looool Zarthanderthal

dbdr: eulerscheZahl :bow:

eulerscheZahl: :bow_arrow:

eulerscheZahl: :bow_and_arrow:

ZarthaxX: lmao Astrobytes

cegprakash: euler

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl ur link asks gameId

cegprakash: can't find gameId

cegprakash: 1 by 1

cegprakash: If I can spend time to get the gameId 1 by 1 then I would have time to watch the replay 1 by 1

cegprakash: the point of a script is to reduce time

cegprakash: I know u are doing it

cegprakash: and u don't share how u get all game Ids

ZarthaxX: stop annoying him lol

cegprakash: I like him

ZarthaxX: but he doesnt have to give all the code he did to you

cegprakash: but he only shared half the part that comes late

cegprakash: first half part he didn't share

ZarthaxX: many ppl did tools and they dont share code

ZarthaxX: i dont see a problem..

cegprakash: I don't want eulerscheZahl to be one of them

ZarthaxX: he shares enough

ZarthaxX: i dont think it's that hard to elarn it yourself

wlesavo: i think he even shared replay grabber for ooc in chat

ZarthaxX: the page one

Astrobytes: ceg I think euler has been more than generous

eulerscheZahl: the link does not only give code but also teach you how to understand the API on your own

cegprakash: hey I tried it

cegprakash: the html only shows gameIds that are in the view

cegprakash: I don't want to implement scroll action using selenium to get the gameIds

cegprakash: it's too much effort

eulerscheZahl: and you saw the thibpat stream. he did almost the same as me

cegprakash: he doesn't find timeouts

cegprakash: he only debugs a particular game

eulerscheZahl: he gets the replay json

cegprakash: but u showed me "15 timeouts in 90 games"

eulerscheZahl: then just parse it and check for a tooltip saying that you screwed up

cegprakash: and u did it in like 10 secondns

cegprakash: how do u get the gameIds

cegprakash: :\

jacek: tulips and daisies, puzzle of the week

eulerscheZahl: how do you get a list of battles as a human?

eulerscheZahl: go to leaderboard, open last battles

eulerscheZahl: how to get the API call? see my playground for answers

cegprakash: so u implementned scroll action?

cegprakash: to scroll through all the games?

eulerscheZahl: no, just using the API without any webbrowser frontend

eulerscheZahl: the API gives you all games

eulerscheZahl: that's the same way as CG stats gets your winrates. 1 call to get the last battles

eulerscheZahl: and CG stats is open source btw

eulerscheZahl: read the comments at the very top

eulerscheZahl: and

eulerscheZahl: no idea why i even reply after this aggressive opinion that I *have* to share. I can keep to myself whatever I want

Astrobytes: You are indeed overly generous at times euler

jacek: yeah

jacek: let me thank you by inviting to my clash

WINWINWIN: I dont understand how knowing the number of timeouts can be helpful

Astrobytes: Knowing the number of timeouts means you can subtract that from your number of losses

Astrobytes: So... useful knowledge no? Reasons why you lose matches? Do I timeout?

WINWINWIN: So you can see how good the AI would be if you fix the bugs?

eulerscheZahl: it's not about the number but the replays with timeouts

eulerscheZahl: to find possible crashes when you don't handle a corner case

Astrobytes: Well, it lets you know you *have* the bugs, and as euler says you can then analyse the games which timeout

WINWINWIN: Ahh, so you can automate the "Search for timeouts" bit

eulerscheZahl: yes

WINWINWIN: so you can directly analyze the replays

Astrobytes: Yes... that's what we've been talking about

WINWINWIN: Thanks :)

Astrobytes: WINWINWIN, check out euler's playground:

WINWINWIN: Thanks Astrobytes, am checking it now

cegprakash: i need the no. of timeouts as well :D especially in oware

cegprakash: as I do higher depth with alpha beta pruning I just want my timeout chance to be as less as possible

cegprakash: I don't do iterative deepening to constraint depth yet

cegprakash: my timeout bot performs better than non timeout bots at instances

Astrobytes: You can timeout with invalid moves also remember, not just run out of time

eulerscheZahl: let's teach google some nonsense

jacek: mhm, with iterative deepening you are constrained with time, not depth

cegprakash: yeah eulerscheZahl it sometimes asks me to choose bicycles whenn there is only 1 motorcycle

cegprakash: jacek yes that's the advanntage of iterative deepeningn

cegprakash: I need to learnn that soon

eulerscheZahl: i like the "crosswalks" with text written on the lane

cegprakash: but iterative deepening has a disadvantnage of usingn lot of memory and extra if connditionsn

jacek: no :?

cegprakash: I don't know why my keyboard is drunkk

WINWINWIN: At the end of the playground, euler uses this


WINWINWIN: Why the #if instead of a regular if?

eulerscheZahl: because i can define it in my IDE once. no need to chance a variable before submitting

cegprakash: yeah iterative deepening we need to remember all the game states at previous depth

Astrobytes: it's a preprocessor directive

WINWINWIN: Ok, thanks

cegprakash: along with all the gamestates in current branch

eulerscheZahl: and i avoid a runtime branching which is faster. but really doesn't matter if it's only once per turn

cegprakash: that's too much memory right jacek?

eulerscheZahl: you run minimax with a fixed depth of 4 e.g.

eulerscheZahl: then you see that you have time remaining and start from scratch with depth 6

eulerscheZahl: and increase the depth until you run out of time

eulerscheZahl: you don't have to remember the tree, you just recompute it

Astrobytes: "remember all the game states at previous depth" How do you come to that conclusion?

eulerscheZahl: the tree size explodes anyways. you don't save much by saving the tree. and pruning can change when you increase the depth

Astrobytes: You can store moves and scores, don't store gamestates

cegprakash: ppl talk about transposition tables and u say recalculate everything eulerscheZahl

Astrobytes: You don't store the whole state in a TT

jacek: cegprakash it is really just adding for loop for you alphabeta


jacek: TT and stuff is optional

cegprakash: jacek this looks slow...

Astrobytes: Yeah, you don't always need TTs and stuff, like we said the other day it's game-dependent

cegprakash: why do u recompute everything

cegprakash: say if u get a depth of 14 without recomputation u would reach depth of 15

cegprakash: which is lot better

cegprakash: that's the true iterative deepening

cegprakash: use the existing result

jacek: it looks slow at first glance

eulerscheZahl: then use your previous run for move ordering to speed it up, whatever

jacek: but the result of the biggest depth will dominate anyway

eulerscheZahl: the most time is spent in the last run anyways

Astrobytes: Dude, I thought you'd understood when we explained all this the other day

jacek: and he made his prune array :v

Astrobytes: hehehe


cegprakash: what is prune array

eulerscheZahl: the first number after the time is the depth i used for this iteration

ZarthaxX: lol eulerscheZahl that crosswalk

ZarthaxX: :rofl:

cegprakash: it enver happened

cegprakash: never*

ZarthaxX: didnt you mark arrows?

eulerscheZahl: would go there 10/10

ZarthaxX: lol

Astrobytes: lol

cegprakash: I know no prune array

Astrobytes: ceg is using the Magical Disappearing Stream STrategy

ZarthaxX: LMAO

cegprakash: I saw something similar to my prune array in smitsimax

cegprakash: not sure if he meant that

Astrobytes: Where, exactly, in the Smitsi page did you see anything remotely like The Prune Array?

eulerscheZahl: my English teacher always told us that we have to read between the lines

eulerscheZahl: I got an E that year. luckily the teacher changed again after half a year

Scarfield: lol

Scarfield: its easier to read while looking at the lines, not between them

Scarfield: :p

eulerscheZahl: "and till next week you'll learn these 2 DIN A3 pages of vocabulary. and that's not much"

Astrobytes: Hey cegprakash, try using these next time:

Astrobytes: Just line them up in a straight line

Astrobytes: afk

eulerscheZahl: :D

Scarfield: how to choose alpha and beta prune here?

Scarfield: :thinking:

cegprakash: "The exploration and expansion will focus on interesting parts of the tree and you can get much deeper than you would expect. "

cegprakash: is it a food Astrobytes?

Scarfield: The only thing i remember Smitsi mentioning pruning about is avoid expanding some series of moves

cegprakash: what is UCB formula?

MSmits: hey

Scarfield: Upper Confidence Bound from MCTS

Scarfield: hi

MSmits: yeah, pruning is always good. Prune at least the branches you know to be useless and if some branches are almost never good, prune them too

cegprakash: see.. smitsimax was developed with cegimax's idea

MSmits: I think for many games the pruning is where the real difference between bots is

cegprakash: but smitsimax came first

Scarfield: he is not doing smitsimax, something about a pruning array, but i dont now what they were talking about though, something with alpha/beta negamax

MSmits: what is cegimax

MSmits: ah

MSmits: to me it sounds like a cigarette brand

MSmits: :P

cegprakash: u must have heard of orderMoves in negamax..

MSmits: sure

cegprakash: just pick the first few moves after orderingn

cegprakash: that's cegimax

MSmits: thats not really anything new is it?

eulerscheZahl: more like drugs. you won't pass the doping test and will be disqualified. cegimax is too strong

cegprakash: it could work for CSB I think.. especially with opponents who are greedy

cegprakash: and opponents who don't do minimax

MSmits: but if you're ordering, what are you ordering by?

cegprakash: my eval

MSmits: isn't this just beamsearch?

cegprakash: wait there is a beam search?

cegprakash: why does everyone invent search

cegprakash: who is beam

MSmits: beamsearch is when you only keep the x best moves

Scarfield: Mr. Beam

MSmits: lol

MSmits: I've only ever used beamsearch in the context of 1p optimization though

cegprakash: but I don't always keep x best moves

cegprakash: x is a variable in cegimax

cegprakash: based on depth

MSmits: hm ok

MSmits: well stuff like that can work I suppose, kind of hinges on the quality of your eval though, as such things usually do

cegprakash: yeah it's only good against greedy bots

Astrobytes: MSmits, just sorting moves once per turn by eval before minimaxing to maximise pruning

cegprakash: not safe bots like minimax

Astrobytes: a/b pruning

MSmits: once per turn?

Astrobytes: yeah, just before you try all your moves. Not actual move ordering

MSmits: cegprakash if it only works against greedy bots, it doesnt really work

cegprakash: haha yeah

cegprakash: cegimax performed so bad on Oware Abapa

MSmits: aha

cegprakash: when my future moves are tightly dependent on opponents move it's better to play a safe move

cegprakash: I mean we don't know opponent is greedy right

MSmits: dunno what's a safe move in oware

cegprakash: he can even sacrifice too

cegprakash: say u play a game of chess

MSmits: I don't really... but sure

cegprakash: and u don't expect a queenn sacrifice

cegprakash: coz it's a bad path for opponnent

MSmits: right

cegprakash: but he does queen sacrifice and win the game

MSmits: right

MSmits: because you used cegimax?

cegprakash: yeah

Astrobytes: hahahaha

cegprakash: many ppl did queen sacrifice kinda move on oware

MSmits: the moral of that story was not to use cegimax right?

Astrobytes: I think so?!

cegprakash: on oware abapa yes

MSmits: and chess?

cegprakash: not on chess

cegprakash: yes

Astrobytes: Any game really

cegprakash: I will try on CSB

MSmits: allright then

cegprakash: :@ :@

cegprakash: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

eulerscheZahl: have you tried toadymediocre on Oware?

MSmits: the more bad things you tell me not to do, the more good things remain

Astrobytes: I have a free Troll Pass cegprakash remember

MSmits: toadymediocre? How's that perform?

eulerscheZahl: mediocre

Astrobytes: I thought it was toadallymediocre

MSmits: mmh wouldn't have guessed

eulerscheZahl: :D

MSmits: I think I finally made my mcts solver do some kind of ab pruning in regards to draws

MSmits: seems to solve 4 plies sooner

MSmits: on draws that is

MSmits: it's a mess of a function, so i am not sure if it is bugged

MSmits: basically, if a parent has a child A that is a draw and child B has a child that is a draw, then i don't have to explore the rest of child B because it is useless

eulerscheZahl: you are about to write a wall of text again :scream:

MSmits: no thats it

MSmits: I'm done :P

eulerscheZahl: nice

Astrobytes: Makes sense

MSmits: my problem was with meta mcts that it went into "draw hell" solving 47-50 plies deep sometimes on uttt. Now I think it can end at 40. Makes it easier to create opening books. \

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: guys, can we add extensions for CG's VSCode?

MSmits: huh

MSmits: you mean the IDE?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: yeah

MSmits: is it vs code??

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: yeah

eulerscheZahl: it's Monaco

Astrobytes: It's Mona.. .ffs


eulerscheZahl: :D

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: so similar to vscode

MSmits: i am guessing vs code uses monaco....

eulerscheZahl: oh, i didn't read the username at first

eulerscheZahl: it's you again

MSmits: who again?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: so?

Astrobytes: Him again MSmits

MSmits: you mean that Punk?

Astrobytes: lol yeah

Astrobytes: Ask him if he feels lucky

MSmits: ArianPunk, do you feel lucky, punk?

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: Be polite

Astrobytes: lmao

MSmits: I'm sharing movie quotes :(

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: :D

Astrobytes: Well do ya, punk?

Scarfield: 3 people here, me, Smith and Wesson

Astrobytes: That should be me, Smits and Wesson just for this occasion

Scarfield: true

Scarfield: or me Smits and WestroBytes

eulerscheZahl: westicle s

trictrac: Hello all, 9 approvals for yinsh and not public : struct bad luck !!

Astrobytes: Nice Scarfogen :D

eulerscheZahl: i only approved out of curiosity :D

MSmits: I thought he only needs 3?

Scarfield: only lvl20+ can approve, else its upvote iirc

MSmits: ohh

Astrobytes: yeah, there's something up with the approval

MSmits: it needs me?

eulerscheZahl: CG has a bug

eulerscheZahl: but sure, approve it

Scarfield: oh


Scarfield: i need my bribe first :p

eulerscheZahl: let's see how often we can approve without releasing it

Scarfield: i only see 2 approvals?

eulerscheZahl: then become #3

eulerscheZahl: click "approve"

Astrobytes: Tried. Still not working

Scarfield: i havent even looked at it, at least i played with SR before approving :pp

Astrobytes: btw, looks like IAmNoob changed his name

wlesavo: what it is now?

wlesavo: IAmPro?

Astrobytes: Check the profile under my approval comment on Yinsh

Scarfield: "A contribution by struct Approved by ..." then 23 users :D

Astrobytes: Or here

WINWINWIN: Lol struct, you cant approve it yourself :P


eulerscheZahl: no one can approve the own contribution

eulerscheZahl: that's the point of the review process

WINWINWIN: Yeah, makes sense

wlesavo: Astrobytes oh yeah, i forgot he had a bunch of contribs, easy to track from there

WINWINWIN: but I liked Yinsh seemed pretty interesting

eulerscheZahl: but you can upvote your own contriubtions and comments

WINWINWIN: What is the point of that?

Astrobytes: Yeah that too wlesavo :)

eulerscheZahl: infinite XP

wlesavo: thats how one get lvl 52 :slight_smile:

Astrobytes: in infinite time...

WINWINWIN: Hmm :smiling_imp:

eulerscheZahl: that's why you get more XP than me but only lvl50

WINWINWIN: @wlesavo finally get what you mean, find it hard to believe that he got to top 500 in 2 multis in a single day


MSmits: that's actually possible. Top 500 in 2 multis

MSmits: especially with community multis. Just submit the stub

wlesavo: lol

WINWINWIN: :) MSmits I meant difficult multis like Code royale

wlesavo: easy top 500 in tulips

WINWINWIN: Top 100 even

eulerscheZahl: i think i could reach gold in 1 afternoon on most multiplayer games. that alone isn't a cheating indicator

WINWINWIN: I thought that was only possible if you did a similar multi before

Astrobytes: Identical bots and screenshots however... they most definitely are :P

eulerscheZahl: yeah, these are great indicators

WINWINWIN: otherwise, you need to read and understand the rules, formulate a strategy, and debug it

MSmits: who are we talking about btw

WINWINWIN: Seems like it takes more than 1 -- 2 hours

eulerscheZahl: the promotion time alone is > 1-2h in some cases

WINWINWIN: python programmer guy

Astrobytes: IAmNoob MSmits, who now goes under a new name

MSmits: ah ok

eulerscheZahl: programer a mix of programmer and pro-gamer

Scarfield: lol he actually was cheating? saw someone bugging him about it the other day

Astrobytes: Ohhh yes

ZarthaxX: that was the astrobully


Astrobytes: Shush WeakhaxX


Scarfield: banter from A to Z

Astrobytes: lol

Astrobytes: Alphabanter from the banterbet

wlesavo: well not really bugging, most of that was him saiyng iamnotacheater in a walls of messages

Astrobytes: ^

Scarfield: read that as IAmNoTeacher.. didnt make sense :p

eulerscheZahl: same Scarfield :D

Astrobytes: hahaha

wlesavo: :smiley:

ZarthaxX: the Astrobuster got the cheater this time

wlesavo: thats what MSmits would say

eulerscheZahl: can you still call him a teacher when he isn't in front of his class? :P

Astrobytes: Meta-teacher

Astrobytes: lol Zarthuum

MSmits: hey, I will be in front of my class on tuesday

eulerscheZahl: and Friday

MSmits: exactly

MSmits: dont remember everything I say

Scarfield: nice

MSmits: it's creepy

eulerscheZahl: do you still remember the names of your students?

Astrobytes: We have a chat log now remember

wlesavo: especially when you a teacher

MSmits: oh euler studies the chat log?

eulerscheZahl: i was here when you mentioned it

Astrobytes: Only for your messages :smirk:

MSmits: eulerscheZahl i remember most of them, not all

MSmits: I know eulerscheZahl

MSmits: but you remember everything

MSmits: I forget stuff people say and then they point that out to me


eulerscheZahl: and I had some fun with the logs yesterday, see the very bottom

Scarfield: dont be that guy on monday smitsi :p

MSmits: whats that guy?

Scarfield: my link

Scarfield: rudely interrupted by euler :p

eulerscheZahl: sorry

Astrobytes: LOL Scarfondant

Astrobytes: that's funny

Scarfield: say one hail mary and all your sins will be forgiven :p

MSmits: lol eulerscheZahl, you're messing up the html of the chat log?

Scarfield: yea its a classic :)

eulerscheZahl: with the wiki syntax

eulerscheZahl: once i was sitting in physics class. teacher showed us a gas pump and wanted to highlight a certain part of it

Scarfield: that nick though lol

eulerscheZahl: moved his finger over it, breaking the glass in 2 parts

eulerscheZahl: one hit the student in the first row on his head, started bleeding immediately

eulerscheZahl: dropping on the floor as he was leaning forwards

eulerscheZahl: teacher told him not to bleed on the floor :D

Astrobytes: hahaha

Scarfield: lol yea how rude of him

eulerscheZahl: ambulance drove him to the hospital that day

Astrobytes: My chemistry teacher in 3rd year of highschool set fire to the ceiling and the bench with some hydrocarbon experiment

eulerscheZahl: classic

eulerscheZahl: chemistry teacher of mine explained us that he has to hurry with the phosphor. starts cutting off a part. was old and flew away

eulerscheZahl: while he was searching, the rest of it caught fire

eulerscheZahl: we ended the lesson in a different classroom

Astrobytes: hahahaha that's awesome

MSmits: I have a couple stories like that as well. My chemistry teacher. Did the H2 explosion experiment

MSmits: which is pretty standard

MSmits: what's not standard is that he left the classroom because "he didn't do well with loud noises"

MSmits: while we were waiting for it to go off

eulerscheZahl: :D

MSmits: the lid of the box he exploded landed on my table

eulerscheZahl: and in elementary school we were sitting in the classroom. someone from outside opened the door and closed it again with a loud bang

Astrobytes: My 1st year science (general science) teacher (who became my biology teacher) did the sodium in water 'experiment'. Had a massive water bath outside. Cut off a piece of sodium the size of a chess rook and chucked it in. We had to run. There was no water bath remaining. Was awesome :D

MSmits: after a few classes there was this other guy in the classroom who was really just an assistent lab guy... but we thought the school leadership hired him to keep an eye on our teacher

Astrobytes: lol MSmits :D

eulerscheZahl: one of my classmates wanted to demonstrate it to another teacher. repeated it and suddenly hold the door handle is his hands. we were locked inside the room

MSmits: nice :)

Astrobytes: We once ruined some teachers lab coats using high molarity H2SO4, had to sneak into the lab tech's storeroom and everything. Was great when the coats just fell apart.

MSmits: ouch

Astrobytes: (they weren't exactly what you call 'high'grade' lab coats)

MSmits: that would get you expelled for sure in our school. They love their lab coats

MSmits: as a teacher I made a dent in the ceiling once

AntiSquid: oh i remember the many occurrences no where no teacher showed up for class, and then when students started leaving early because of it, the school directing asshole came in to mark attendance

Astrobytes: We used to steal Büchner flasks and sell them to the stoners to make bongs from

Scarfield: lol

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: Hey guys, I'm Emeka, I'm new here.:slight_smile:

AntiSquid: hello new here

Scarfield: hi

Scarfield: HashtroBytes

AntiSquid: also your name says Emmaka, why do you pretend your name is Emeka ?

MSmits: I did an experiment with an aluminum ring around a coil and you suddenly turn on the current, causing induction in the ring which forces it to go up. Some student suggested to extend the iron core to see if it would have more effect. The dent is still in the ceiling today

Astrobytes: lol Weedfield

Scarfield: xD

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: Can you guys help me get familiar with this platform?

Astrobytes: That's great MSmits :D

AntiSquid: MSmits that reminds me of :

MSmits: I also did an experiment with fluid pressure using the gas lines as counter pressure. But there was some extra pressure on it and the green colored water jumped out of the other end all over me

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: btw why are you guys talking about chemistry?

MSmits: luckily it washed out, but i did have to teach green the rest of the day

Astrobytes: hahahaha

Jasperr: Emmaka9 start with the easy puzzles in Practice > Easy puzzles

Astrobytes: Emmaka9 the conversation just started from talking about teachers

MSmits: we were talking about our own teachers and I am one, so I have stories from both ends :P

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: oh

Jasperr: Haha my mom is a teacher, makes for great dinner stories :)

eulerscheZahl: so you have more stories in total :)

MSmits: definitely

MSmits: a colleague of mine was doing experiments with liquid nitrogen

MSmits: people that do that, tend to throw it around and watch it turn to smoke

MSmits: but my colleague just let it flow out of the can in one place

MSmits: the floor covering froze, cooled and tore

MSmits: oops

eulerscheZahl: :D

Astrobytes: How much area did he destroy?

MSmits: small area

MSmits: but you can still see it

Astrobytes: Awesome

eulerscheZahl: my teacher just put roses in it and them broke them like glass

AntiSquid: ugh good he didn't drop it on his shoes

MSmits: yeah i did that too

MSmits: I had a colleague who picked up a lot of liquid nitrogen from the university where he also worked and we got to play with it

Astrobytes: My pipette fights with my classmates seem lame in comparison. We used aqueous ammonia usually. Go around stinking of ammonia all day if you got hit.

MSmits: I one time slurped a lot of H2O2 whatever that is called, by sucking too hard on the thing

Astrobytes: You wouldn't know as it was silent. Unless it hit your skin.

Astrobytes: Hydrogen peroxide, yummy!

eulerscheZahl: i got some H2O2 on my finger once. teacher spilled a bit and i wasn't paying attention for a second and touched it

MSmits: thats not bad is it?

MSmits: not sure what it does

eulerscheZahl: my skin turned white instantly

AntiSquid: i guess i had the most unexciting chemistry classes then, most "sensational" was teacher mixing backing power and lemon juice together

eulerscheZahl: it's a bleach

MSmits: seriously? I must be very white on the inside then

Astrobytes: It's a strong oxidiser MSmits

Astrobytes: CAn be very nasty at high molarity

MSmits: I see

MSmits: I had a fellow student once that exclaimed: "These thermometers are crap, they aren't even set to 0 when you're not using them"

Astrobytes: ffs :D

eulerscheZahl: :D

MSmits: he was serious about it

Scarfield: xD

Alshock: I like that idea

AntiSquid: isn't that the teacher's fault failing to explain how they work?

MSmits: might be, it's funny either way

eulerscheZahl: you can assume common sense

Scarfield: everything is relative, except those damn thermometeres

AntiSquid: common sense, well depends, electric one can just be turned off

Astrobytes: I farted once in biology, and thestools were wooden so you can imagine it wasn't quiet. My teacher came offer and put a rubber bung on my desk and recommended I use it :D

Astrobytes: *over

Scarfield: rubber bung?

Astrobytes: rubber stopper

Astrobytes: like for a flask

Scarfield: oh ah lol xD

AntiSquid: humblebrag ?

Alshock: AntiSquid next class the teacher was hit by a rubber at high speed, followed by a noticeable scent

Astrobytes: I should point out that the rubber stopper remained on my desk.

Alshock: You mean you sat on your desk for the rest of the class?

Scarfield: you should have used it, not like the teacher could stop you after recommending it

Alshock: :D Sorry I'm out :door:

Astrobytes: lol :D

AntiSquid: well there was a story about a student getting disciplined for fapping in class ... his crush (the teacher) caught him in the act

Astrobytes: Yeah, a few of those 'incidents' in our school too. Better than the kid in primary school who dropped a steamer on the centre spot of the football field. (We called him Bobby the Jobby forever - he wasn't right in the head)

Alshock: Now I imagine a mix of disciplinary class, and lots of rubber stoppers

Astrobytes: I will not imagine that.

AntiSquid: my school was fucked up

AntiSquid: in a really bad way

Astrobytes: We had a music teacher who slept with a pupil (of legal age but still), numerous affairs, serious assaults, drugs, alcohol related issues (teachers and pupils)

Astrobytes: Was never a dull moment.

AntiSquid: ah had something similar too i guess, some former uni teacher who slept with students (for whatever underlying reason) got kicked out and then joined my school since he couldn't get a uni job afterwards

Astrobytes: lol, there's a lot of it about

AntiSquid: that's the mild stuff

Astrobytes: Grew up in a rough town as well AntiSquid I guess?

AntiSquid: wouldn't call it rough if that's the norm

Astrobytes: My town (in which I'm currently living) is and always has been a violent cesspit of junkies, drunks and all-round nasty fkers.

Astrobytes: It's a hole and should be erased from existence.

MSmits: have you thought about becoming a realtor?

Astrobytes: :D

MSmits: I just mean, you do such a great job of selling it :P

Astrobytes: I mean there are a few nice streets and small areas so there are upsides - but in the scale of the town, that makes no difference.

AntiSquid: you get oddities in every town, but in some towns / countries it's pretty much standard

Astrobytes: Yea I know MSmits :P

MSmits: so the normal places are the hidden back alleys?

Astrobytes: This is one of those towns AntiSquid, there's a lot of it in Scotland. A LOT.

MSmits: hey, so, about Scotland

MSmits: are you still forced to let in strangers if they need to pee?

Astrobytes: Eh?

MSmits: isnt that a law

AntiSquid: lol

MSmits: maybe i am mixing up different countries here

Astrobytes: First I heard of it

MSmits: let me check

MSmits: google: scotland law pee

Astrobytes: It's true :o

AntiSquid: well MSmits let me know when you visit scotland, because i have an urge to go visit people i know from chat in the middle of the night, so make sure you open the door, it's the law

Astrobytes: Fuck that

Astrobytes: :D

MSmits: yes, see now you learned something about your country from me

MSmits: lol AntiSquid

Astrobytes: Our national animal is a unicorn and we need to let strangers in for a Jimmy Riddle, whatever next

AntiSquid: ok well if it's true, let me know the hotel you stay at, need to take a piss in your toilet

MSmits: see my memory is quite good when it comes to some things

AntiSquid: ya

AntiSquid: :thinking: those sort of things

MSmits: :)

Astrobytes: Useless things. I have a friend like that. Can't remember anything except movie quotes

MSmits: those are the best friends to have

AntiSquid: does he learn anything from them?

Astrobytes: No. And they're usually obscure. He's a chef :shrug:

Astrobytes: afk

MSmits: food related quotes?

AntiSquid: he said movie quotes

MSmits: yes, but obscure, so movie and food both

CaillouBOB: yo

AntiSquid: do you think about your job outside your job MSmits ?

CaillouBOB: i think not

MSmits: my job and private life are a bit intertwined because i work a lot from home

MSmits: about 50% even without corona

AntiSquid: it's not something you want to think about if it stresses you all day

MSmits: when you're starting out, teaching stresses you. Unless you're crap at it, the stress goes away most of the time

MSmits: sometimes i have to do too much work in a short period of time due to unlucky deadlines, but thats pretty rare

MSmits: also i work only 30 hrs a week

Astrobytes: back

MSmits: (as in part time job, i am not slacking off)

Astrobytes: My friend is Swedish so often thinks about cheffing outside of work

MSmits: is this a Swedish thing?

Astrobytes: Swedish Chef, the Muppets...

MSmits: ow right, i sort of half got that reference, wasnt sure

AntiSquid: do you ever think about going back Astrobytes ?

AntiSquid: to cheffing

Astrobytes: I have over the years but I think I'm done with it for now. I miss the adrenaline and the camaraderie sometimes.

AntiSquid: i don't miss anything, that shit is retarded and underpaid for the amount of stress

AntiSquid: seeing fucking whales in offices doing nothing and getting paid a lot more kinda pisses me off

MSmits: whales?

Astrobytes: Nothing quite like the buzz of a busy service. Yeah, there's that. But a lot of us weren't doing it for the money (well, obviously needed it but we we passionate)

AntiSquid: talking about "administrative" jobs

Astrobytes: *were

AntiSquid: what a joke

WINWINWIN: Now that online classes have started, my classmates have a lot more interesting ways of coming to class


MSmits: does this depend on the quality of the restaurant you're cheffing at?

Astrobytes: Yeah, once I moved to office-based stuff I felt similarly AntiSquid

MSmits: I would guess the better restaurants pay their chefs better?

AntiSquid: it's generally lower paid jobs MSmits

Astrobytes: You'd be surprised MSmits

MSmits: hm ok

AntiSquid: at a better restaurant you just put in more work lol

Astrobytes: ^

MSmits: I see

Astrobytes: Even a lot of head chef positions aren't high-paying

MSmits: whats the difference between a head chef and a chef?

Astrobytes: Head Chef is in charge

MSmits: I thought the chef was


Astrobytes: In strict definition yes

AntiSquid: Astrobytes you talk about adrenaline and all that, i get what you are thinking about, but if you analyze it more carefully you realize, what you really want is to have your own place and have a bunch of staff handle the rough bits

Astrobytes: And in the US for example Chef = HEad/Executive chef, cook = chef

Astrobytes: Yeah chef/proprietor would be nice

Astrobytes: I had 2 head chef positions and worked my fking ass off

AntiSquid: MSmits emphazis on "head", they make sure to schedule shifts, find covers when someone calls off sick every tuesday and friday night, ensure there's enough stock (food), manages kitchen budget, disputes between staff

MSmits: ah ok

AntiSquid: basically you need to be the kitchen manage and a chef (but with higher caliber too)

MSmits: disputes between people with knives = bad

AntiSquid: uhm it's not like that usually

MSmits: nah, I'm sure it's usually just accidental

AbundantPuddle: I positioned two chef's heads in my ass and that worked.

Astrobytes: Don't. We had a religious extremist guy who started chucking knives at waitresses as they were showing themselfves in the kitchen

kovi: recurse strikes back

AntiSquid: though i remember one of my colleagues at a pub had a dent in one of his shoulder blades from a knife

MSmits: where's he striking kovi

Astrobytes: Took the whole kitchen to hold him down until the police came

kovi: sr

MSmits: sounds nasty Astrobytes

Astrobytes: It wasn't fun

MSmits: i forgot what sr was

kovi: search race

AbundantPuddle: I didn't know kitchens had arms. Interesting.

MSmits: oh the new racing

AntiSquid: oh those weirdos, wonder why they applied in the first place, also "can't serve pork products" rofl Astrobytes

Astrobytes: hahaha AbundantPuddle

Astrobytes: "The whole brigade" :P

AbundantPuddle: Lmao.

Astrobytes: AntiSquid yeah, tbh most of the guys were fine w/ pork because it was their job, but you always get one...

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: just a quick question, not to be offensive or anything - are you guys enjoying this chat? because I guess none of you know each other, right?

AbundantPuddle: I worked in restaurants a good portion of my working career. Never again.

AntiSquid: good for you

Astrobytes: It becomes a lifestyle, not a job

Astrobytes: Emmaka9 most of us are regulars here

MSmits: Emmaka9 we are coding a lot in between chatting

MSmits: well some of us

Astrobytes: Yep

AntiSquid: Emmaka9 you sound a bit ... introverted

jacek: i like trolling in the chat, so i enjoy it

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: ok, got it

AntiSquid: like i care if know these people or not

AntiSquid: i don't really know most people i talk to in my daily life can still have a conversation

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: yeah, I'm a bit introverted, and I thought its normal for CS people ...

MSmits: it seems more common

jacek: im better at chatting than talking

AbundantPuddle: I don't know where you all are from, but in America, the restaurant industry will just use and abuse you. No benefits, high stress level and low pay, unless you happen to be one of the very few lucky people who have made it to restaurant fame in some way, shape, or form.

AntiSquid: the definition of "CS people" is a bit ambiguous

Astrobytes: Same everywhere I think AbundantPuddle

MSmits: because CS = counterstrike?

Astrobytes: :smirk:

AntiSquid: i knew someone who worked for a Gordon Ramsey restaurant, he explained very clearly how everyone is treated like dirt AbundantPuddle

Astrobytes: I stole 2 of his KPs :D

AbundantPuddle: I had a buddy who went to culinary school a while back because he loved cooking. He was executive chef for a number of years. Now he drives for Uber and is going back to school for automechanics.

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: just meant to say coder (CS = Computer Science)

MSmits: yeah we got it Emmaka9 :)

reCurse: No we don't enjoy this chat at all

Astrobytes: We know Emmaka9 ;)

reCurse: The hatred is what powers us to keep talking

Astrobytes: lol

MSmits: reCurse goes here to get frustrated at people and then disappears to code some awesome bot to whack people with

jacek: yeah, hows uttt?

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: btw how to mention someone here ?

AbundantPuddle: It is true. The restaurant industry is probably the worst industry to work in. It is definitely the worst industry that I've personally worked for. And I've worked in a lot of industries. Lol.

jacek: Emmaka9

Astrobytes: Just type their name Emmaka9

MSmits: type part of their name, finish with tab key, you will make the message appear red

AntiSquid: most of the CS guys left since they stuck in wood Emmaka9, that' how things work here

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: AntiSquid "This is a test" :grin:

Scarfield: icles

Astrobytes: Test failed. Time limit exceeded.

AbundantPuddle: Can we Abbreviate "CS guys" even further to CS:G?

Astrobytes: or just CSG...

AbundantPuddle: That's no fun.

Scarfield: CSBG?

AbundantPuddle: Need to get as close to trademark infringement as possible.

Astrobytes: well, as Scarface there pointed out, it's very close to CSB

AbundantPuddle: CS:BG

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: can I try to know you guys? like what do you guys do? professional coder or student?

MSmits: all kinds here

AntiSquid: sure

AbundantPuddle: Professional Troll

AntiSquid: get an avatar Emmaka9

muy31: high school student

AntiSquid: anime avatars are superior

MSmits: coder, student, teacher, ex-chef

muy31: true AntiSquid

Astrobytes: 2 ex-chefs

AntiSquid: and what are you doing Emmaka9 ?

AbundantPuddle: AntiSquid is an Octopus

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: cs undergrad - juniior year

AbundantPuddle: He just wears sunglasses

Astrobytes: I work in conservation and pharmaceutical regulatory affairs

MSmits: Emmaka9 a lot of fun things to do here for you then

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: MSmits yeah, can already feel it

AntiSquid: AbundantPuddle

jacek: aww

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: MSmits btw how so?

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: like what?

jacek: puzzles, games bots

AbundantPuddle: AntiSquid, but why is it on a motorcycle? :joy:

Astrobytes: Programming bots for games, puzzles

AntiSquid: i work at a morgue, we had a lot of fresh junior students shipped in lately Emmaka9

muy31: it not an it

Astrobytes: ffs AntiSquid :P

AbundantPuddle: To learn about morgue stuff, I assune.

AbundantPuddle: *assume

AntiSquid: just a squeamish test

AntiSquid: or squeamishness ?

CaillouBOB: deezy

Astrobytes: The latter AntiSquid

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: AntiSquid what do mean by "a lot of fresh junior students shipped in lately" ?

Scarfield: claimed to work at a morgue also, it was a joke :)

AbundantPuddle: Has anybody else had chat problems where sometimes the text doesn't send properly? Ironically, my first attempt at sending that didn't work.

AntiSquid: ah that's the riddle of life Emmaka9

AntiSquid: pun intended

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: got it :upside_down:

AbundantPuddle: City morgue, you bag em, we tag em.

AbundantPuddle: City morgue, you kill em, we grill em.

Astrobytes: *City café

AbundantPuddle: Oh geeze Astrobytes... I don't envy you then.

Astrobytes: :P

AntiSquid: just to clarify, squid can refer to careless idiot motorbiker too btw AbundantPuddle

AbundantPuddle: I know AntiSquid. That was part of the joke. Lol.

AntiSquid: grill what? the rats?

muy31: the squids

AntiSquid: they do it themselves

Astrobytes: ^

AntiSquid: remember that one time being stuck on a highway for hours,

muy31: ccalamari

AbundantPuddle: 50 quid for grilled squids?

muy31: *calamari

AbundantPuddle: No, keep the stutter muy31.

AntiSquid: after like 4 hours we get past a truck that had potatoes spilled all over the ground and what seemed to be like burnt fuel on the ground?

Astrobytes: Was gonna say 'c', the letter so nice you say it twice

AntiSquid: basically roast dinner in open air

AbundantPuddle: Was therte any roadkill nearby?

AbundantPuddle: *there

AntiSquid: no, don't think so

AbundantPuddle: Shame

AbundantPuddle: Coulda had some Possum and Potatoes

AntiSquid: prefer a bamby

AntiSquid: bambi *

AntiSquid: looks deliciously cute

AbundantPuddle: Venison and veggies

AbundantPuddle: Too far?

Astrobytes: Chat goes quiet when we code

AbundantPuddle: Isn't that a song by Skrillex?

Astrobytes: Skrillex sucks. Nice fella though.

AbundantPuddle: I disagree. He's definitely way over-hyped, but the dude does have some skills.

AntiSquid: i don't code, try to find motivation to sort out a huge mess which others call a bot

Astrobytes: I'm a DnB head, he basically started off making what we call wobble/clownstep jumpup brostep. Went downhill from there. Good production skills? 100% yes.

AbundantPuddle: Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again?

AbundantPuddle: He actually started off in screamo. He was in From First to Last before he started his Skrillex project. The underground always hates on people who go mainstream. I do think Skrillex is way over-hyped, but as a musician myself, I do have a respect and can recognize his talent. That's just my opinion though. Music is very subjective.

Astrobytes: No I appreciate that. I was referring to his electronic career. I also make music (not currently, studio is packed away in other room). That's why I agree he's a great producer, he has excellent production skills, always has.

Astrobytes: What do you play/make AbundantPuddle?

Default avatar.png Emmaka9:

AntiSquid: aneo ? click Forum button

Default avatar.png Emmaka9: thanks

AntiSquid: more like a long list of complete spoilers, but w/e

AbundantPuddle: Well I can sight read for trumpet and french horn, but I also play guitar/bass, drums, piano/keyboard, as well as use DAWs.

AbundantPuddle: As far as genres go, I try not to limit myself as to what I listen to or make, but I've always considered myself more of a metalhead than anything.

Astrobytes: Awesome stuff AbundantPuddle! I can't play any wind/brass, but I play guitar, bass, 5-string banjo, mandolin and keys. I use Cubase, got loads of hardware, but as I say not currently doing anything except gathering dust

Astrobytes: I'm into all sorts too (metal included)

Uljahn: i play uTTT instead of bass now :(

AntiSquid: i play youtube

AbundantPuddle: That's awesome! I've always wanted to try banjo and mandolin. Mandolin is a staple for a lot of Greek music and my grandfather used to play it. Side-note, I've tried violin and am absolutely terrible. I can't do the bow with string instruments.

eulerscheZahl: i play no internet connection

eulerscheZahl: the chrome dinosaur game

AbundantPuddle: Lmao squid and euler.

AntiSquid: you have a bot for it ?

Astrobytes: Mandolin and bouzouki ofc AbundantPuddle!

Astrobytes: Here:

AbundantPuddle: Is that your gear?

Astrobytes: Yeah

Uljahn: holy moly

Astrobytes: You can see the cat in my profile pic in the first photo

Scarfield: heey, thats you in the chair

Astrobytes: :D

AntiSquid: rusting away like a bunch of unused knives

AbundantPuddle: Hell yeah dude! Way more extensive than mine.

Astrobytes: I've sold a few bits and pieces since but still got most of it

AntiSquid: didn't spot your cat

Astrobytes: In the chair

Scarfield: but damn thats a lot of gear

AntiSquid: plottwist: Astro is that cat

Astrobytes: The SH-101 really needs serviced but everything else works

Astrobytes: Guitars are still all set up, but can't play anything with this back issue atm

AbundantPuddle: Where's your keytar?

Astrobytes: Actually, the SH-101 has a handle extension, you may have seen it being used like that in the 80s :D

Astrobytes: Handle has modulation controls on it too, so you can pitch bend lol

AbundantPuddle: Lmao. I knew it. Def the set-up of somebody who owns a keytar!

AntiSquid: did you put any of your work out there on the web ?

Astrobytes: Only ever used it for basses and squealy acid stuff tbh

Hjax: im messing around with code golf, how small people can get their solutions blows my mind

reCurse: Wait until you see the solutions of tall people

Hjax: :P

Scarfield: xD

Alshock: that's so mean to dwarves :P

Alshock: aw I was too slow :(

Hjax: im doing tricks to shave off one character at a time, but im like 50% larger than the best solution

Hjax: so my approach is probably wrong

AbundantPuddle: I actually do have a song I put together for a buddy's horror movie on youtube that I did somewhat recently.

eulerscheZahl: which language Hjax?

Alshock: the best solution in your language Hjax?

Hjax: python 3, chuck norris

Hjax: yes best solution in my language

eulerscheZahl: for some it's better to do it in bash and then a system call

Astrobytes: Back in my software only days:

eulerscheZahl: not sure about python

Astrobytes: Went a bit mad on the edits

AntiSquid: this helps with finding some extra shortening tips

AntiSquid: someone posted the thor question somewhere in there i think

Hjax: doing it in bash and making a system call is kind of an amusing thought, i didnt consider that

eulerscheZahl: at some point it was even possible to wget your solution. but was fixed and online solutions removed from the leaderboard

AbundantPuddle: I'm digging it Astro.

eulerscheZahl: so it was about who can buy the shortest domain :D

Astrobytes: Here's another:

Alshock: oh that's why they wantedshort urls then!

Hjax: im surprised the container the scripts run in can access the internet at all

Hjax: seems like an obvious security issue

eulerscheZahl: only for one single codegolf puzzle, not for the others

Alshock: because you thik it's in a container? :P

eulerscheZahl: and not anymore, it's fixed

eulerscheZahl: but still gives access to other websites

AbundantPuddle: Ummm... Astrobytes... That was the same link. Lol.

Astrobytes: And here's the last DnB tune I ever made AbundantPuddle, you'll like it being a metalhead

Astrobytes: Oh Sorry:

AbundantPuddle: My chat is dead and broken.

jacek: astrocytes?

Astrobytes: Hard to believe this was so long ago

Astrobytes: We played 'I Am Still Among You' as the last track of my mates set at Twisted Sessions @ Ubu in REnnes (France). Was fking insanity. Great feeling watching all these crazy pilled-up French DnB nutters losing it to your own tune

AbundantPuddle: Def love the grungy hard-hitting bass!

AbundantPuddle: I don't believe I'm familiar with the original, however.

Astrobytes: Which one

AbundantPuddle: I am still among you

Astrobytes: My good mate Scott. We ran this little internet label for a couple years, along with DeeOne/DarkoneUK. Original:

Astrobytes: Me and Dee played pots and pans DnB mostly, Scott more jungle/tech

Astrobytes: And here's Surveillance, from that EP (more pots and pans):

AbundantPuddle: Not me, but just popped in my head. Haven't heard this one in a while.

Astrobytes: Meh, Jon should've stuck to his Spor stuff if you ask me :P

Astrobytes: I liked all the Noisia stuff that wasn't DnB though.

Astrobytes: Because, Noisia

AbundantPuddle: I just love the take on the old commercials. And then the giant line and gold nose. Epic.

Astrobytes: Now, lemme get back to coding. I've never shared those to anyone other than DnB groups back in the day btw, so consider yourself unlucky

Default avatar.png RomainJava: This is so cool

AntiSquid: "i'm still among you" - jesus reference? Automaton2000

Automaton2000: should i just make sure you read the first line of input

Astrobytes: It's from one of the 'Saw' movies iirc

AbundantPuddle: I do like Feed Me just as much as I like Spor. But yeah, I agree, time to code. Thanks for sharing. Lol.

Scarfield: yea thanks for sharing :)

AbundantPuddle: This chat thing irritates me. Does anybody else have chat problems?

Scarfield: it lags sometimes? if that is what you mean

AntiSquid: ah, sorry but that movie series was really dull, including the early ones

Astrobytes: Not my sample. I only remixed it.

AntiSquid: just gore + some villain with "moral lessons" about life

Astrobytes: I agree.

AntiSquid: and in about movie 7 or 8 (forgot how many there are) he basically broke his own moral code

Astrobytes: Don't think I got past 2

AbundantPuddle: Not just lag. I can't type in chat sometimes and I have to open up CG in a new window.

AntiSquid: forgot where exactly, but that one kill was going against everything he was preaching and just killed for the gore-thirsty audience

Scarfield: hm i never had that issue, which browser?

AbundantPuddle: Chrome

Scarfield: weird, do you have a million tabs open or something?

AbundantPuddle: It could also be because I have different instances of CG in different tabs.

eulerscheZahl: or some addons?

AntiSquid: it's ok Astrobytes you don't need to waste your life watching as many shitty movies as i did

AntiSquid: a lot of them i watched at double speed btw :p

AbundantPuddle: I do have addons. That could possibly be why.

Scarfield: but there are good shitty movies, the room, arnold/stallone movies and so on :)

AntiSquid: stallone movies aren't really shit

AbundantPuddle: I actually liked the first Saw. The twist was really good. However, when you start expecting the twists, they become less "twisty."

AntiSquid: the room was stupid imo ... i mean the premise of it

Astrobytes: The 'torture porn' genre doesn't do much for me, Hostel and such. Just boring and mindless. I like gore with humour, like Braindead (Dead Alive)

Scarfield: many of them are, but cop land and the first rambo are good movies

AntiSquid: oh torture porn is good term for it ...

AntiSquid: asian horror movies (that i watched) were less about torture and more about the story though

Astrobytes: Not my idea, 'saw' it used before and found it appropriate

AntiSquid: well they have their fair share of silly blood and gore movies

AbundantPuddle: The Evil Dead

Astrobytes: ^ hell yeah

Astrobytes: All 3

Astrobytes: So ridiculous

AbundantPuddle: Have you seen the new series too? Lol.

Astrobytes: Never got around to it, was it decent?

AbundantPuddle: I'm actually a big fan, but I agree 100%. They are extremely ridiculous.

Astrobytes: I'm a huge fan of ridiculous horror like that :)

AntiSquid: which series?

Astrobytes: Evil Dead

AbundantPuddle: I liked it. Did you know that Jason (from Friday the 13th) and Ash (The Evil Dead) are supposed to exist in the same universe.

AntiSquid: you like ridiculous horror? watch jap horror, all about the blood fountains with every tiny cut and some cute girls doing random shit

Astrobytes: Yeah, it got a bit crazy with the crossovers

Astrobytes: Was my first head chef actually that got me into all the dodgy /comedy horrors

AbundantPuddle: Yeah, Jason is actually a deadite.

Astrobytes: lol

Astrobytes: Brain Damage, Basket Case, stuff like that too

Astrobytes: Then you got Cannibal Ferox, Cannibal Holocaust (those can be considered early torture porn tho I guess, and have some unnecessary animal harming scenes)

AbundantPuddle: I forget which Friday the 13th movie it was, but they had the Necronomicon as a nod to Evil Dead. They were supposed to do a crossover as well but I believe the project died. Probably evilly.

Astrobytes: lol, dark forces prevented it

Astrobytes: Anyway, ENOUGH. I must code

Astrobytes: :D

AbundantPuddle: Dead Alive

Astrobytes: Yeah I mentioned it earlier, the uncut UK version is called Braindead

AbundantPuddle: Oh, that's news to me. I'll have to look into that. Agreed, coding time.

Astrobytes: And ofc, don't forget that other Peter Jackson classic, Bad Taste

struct: Hello

AbundantPuddle: Hi struct

Astrobytes: Oh Illedan added the debug lines in SR, nice

Illedan: Yeah, pushed 1 min ago :)

Astrobytes: I noticed :D

Illedan: And Collision times are added to game summary

Illedan: They are shown always

Astrobytes: Cool, thanks :)

Illedan: And you can get as input the latest collision with the debug message


Illedan: \o/

Astrobytes: reCurse, very nice, do you think you can squeeze much more out of SR?

Astrobytes: Oh cool Illedan

reCurse: No idea

Illedan: Still only 5 angles?

reCurse: Angle status: It's complicated

Illedan: :thinking:

Astrobytes: Switching from 5 to full range when needed?

reCurse: Something like that

reCurse: I hit the submit limit

Astrobytes: Interesting.

Astrobytes: lol

Illedan: :D

jacek: ban

kovi: wow, below 10500, grat

Illedan: Last week he was going full on going below 11000. Tomorrow it will be 10k :D

kovi: im still above 11k

Jasperr: I'm 36.18 away from joining the 11k league lol

Ryan1243: hi

Ryan1243: hi

Ryan1243: hi

Ryan1243: My name is Ryan

Jasperr: Hi Ryan

Ryan1243: Hi jasperr

Default avatar.png brettknowlton: i just "unlocked" the distance and angle variables, do i need to initialize them myself or does the game already understand them?

reCurse: You need to modify the input parsing

reCurse: You can backup your code and click on the arrow on top right to reset the code

reCurse: Then it will have the correct input

Astrobytes: Honestly, can CG not at least amend the stub for CSB so that the vars are there, if unused, once users reach Gold?

AbundantPuddle: In Vindinium, I'm assuming mine battles always take precedence and occur before hero battles?

Astrobytes: Yes, Hero battles are resolved at the end of the turn (it's there in the statement ;) )

reCurse: You mean they should implement a code scanner that correctly assumes where and how the input is parsed and used, and that the user did not touch it at all?

AbundantPuddle: Oh, you are correct. Just reread the statement. Lol.

Astrobytes: reCurse, I mean just have all the inputs there but with //unused until gold league etc

AbundantPuddle: I tried to give gold for the hero to leave me alone. It didn't work.

reCurse: Requires noticing and reading it, just like the statement

reCurse: Not sure it helps

reCurse: From CG's side the problem is already solved by never doing that again and relying on community

Astrobytes: Yeah, true I suppose. Just gets tedious.

reCurse: When I don't feel like it I just ignore the questions

AbundantPuddle: if enemy_hp > my_hp { enemy.giveGold(20); output="Please don't hurt me!"

AbundantPuddle: }

Astrobytes: That doesn't work AbundantPuddle

Astrobytes: Yeah, also an option reCurse. Btw, how did the move go? Settling in OK I hope?

reCurse: Yeah it's all good thanks

reCurse: It's an easy move but still takes time to get shit done

AntiSquid: the toilet sit isn't installed yet?

AntiSquid: seat *

Astrobytes: Cool, yeah, always worth it in the end

Astrobytes: lol squiddy, ffs

reCurse: Seat? It's just a hole in the ground

Astrobytes: That leads straight to the neighbours

Illedan: You have to fix a lot on the new place?

AntiSquid: squat toilet ?

Astrobytes: Used a few of those in my London warehouse rave days...

reCurse: There's always a few things... need to relocate a heating unit that's supremely inconveniently located in the living room where the tv should go

Astrobytes: lol, I hate that stuff

Astrobytes: What goes through some people's heads when they're installing things is beyond me

reCurse: Yeah that one is puzzling

reCurse: The entire tv setup before was puzzling

reCurse: Anyway just gotta hire an electrician and hope it's a good one

reCurse: Booked the painters too fast so gotta delay that too

reCurse: etc etc

reCurse: Fuuun

reCurse: Just like optimizing SR actually

Astrobytes: Easy enough job, just inconvenient. Hahaha

Astrobytes: (wrt to the heating unit relocation, definitely not SR :P )

reCurse: Totally expecting a Murphy's law there tbh

AntiSquid: maybe it's meant as a "bonefire" of sorts

reCurse: Won't go according to plan because whatever

AntiSquid: that's life in general

Astrobytes: My entire existence is Murphy's Law so yeah, probably :D

Astrobytes: Still, it'll all come good in the end

reCurse: Fast forwarding 6 months would be good on many levels

reCurse: Anyway

Astrobytes: :)

Illedan: Agreed, would be done with my own moving then too. Just before the contest hopefully

reCurse: Hopefully things starting to get back to normal

Astrobytes: Don't jinx it Illedan

reCurse: Going slightly crazy with this confinement bs

Astrobytes: Mixed bag for me, I like it in some ways

AntiSquid: there's on positive, people move out of the way when i walk on the streets, before they were carelessly bumping even

AntiSquid: most annoying is 5 people rows walking together and being oblivious to anyone in front of them @_@

Jasperr: The trick is not to look any of them in the eyes and just keep walking straight xD

AntiSquid: i do that, but still look them in the eyes

AntiSquid: i mean wtf are you morons walking in a row for

Jasperr: haha

AntiSquid: the other day a lady stopped on the sidewalk and move onto the grass waving for me to pass ... wasn't gonna stop either way, as i walked past her she said out loud: "you're welcome" as if i was supposed to say thank you, there was plenty space for her to walk without stopping ...

reCurse: You must be pleasant company

AntiSquid: i am

Jasperr: You could've smiled and said thank you to at least 3 people in the time it took you to write that loll

AntiSquid: i guess it's me, since i said nothing eh?

AntiSquid: i am going to stop on the sidewalk and shout "YOU WELCOME" to everyone passing me by lol

AntiSquid: as i said, there was plenty space

Jasperr: sure, ok, but maybe that lady had a different definition of plenty

Astrobytes: It's fairly amusing to see all the junkies in my town lining up at the pharmacy waiting for their methadone. All social distancing and wearing masks and gloves. Then they come out, go buy cider and sit and share it between themselves in the square

Astrobytes: :shrug:

Jasperr: Junkies around our local coffeeshops dont even bother with the masks

AntiSquid: maybe really scared, but don't see why i should stop and explain to her, might scare her talking towards her ...

Astrobytes: lol, they were them religiously. Half of them probably still needle-sharing too :/

Astrobytes: *wear

Astrobytes: Anyway, chat is distracting me again

AntiSquid: if the wind blows 2 meters aren't enough either i guess

AntiSquid: you might have to wear mask and goggles all the time

Astrobytes: Actually the droplet dispersal should be enough not to cause infection in most situations, but still a chance

AntiSquid: i think you, like me, are distracting yourself with chat, it's a choice, nobody is forcing you here, maybe what you try to do feels too mundane Astrobytes

Astrobytes: If disableChat still worked I'd be alright

AntiSquid: ah i have a solution for that

AntiSquid: i use ublock origin to block the chat element

AntiSquid: but then occasionally turn it off and check chat :p

Astrobytes: Ah, yeah, that would work

eulerscheZahl: or just keep chatting

AntiSquid: also blocking the rank in IDE, if i see it drop i feel the urge to submit spam until i climb back up, losing focus fairly easy there

Ziatzoraf: hi

AntiSquid: hello Ziatzoraf

eulerscheZahl: studying highschool, that's an awkward choice for a subject

Jasperr: You should contact MSmits, he's basically addicted to it

Ziatzoraf: i wanna do something as a volunteer

Default avatar.png JBM: to high school?

Default avatar.png JBM: "something"'s kinda vague

Ziatzoraf: hmm yeah

Astrobytes: Leave high school. That's voluntary :P

Astrobytes: (I'm waiting on a test case, hence return to chat)

Ziatzoraf: :DD

Default avatar.png JBM: what line do you draw between volunteering and slavery?

Astrobytes: lol

Astrobytes: how's things JBM

Default avatar.png JBM: so so

Default avatar.png JBM: you?

Astrobytes: On the lesser side of so-so

Default avatar.png JBM: aww

Astrobytes: But not terrible

Default avatar.png JBM: how may i cheer you up

eulerscheZahl: with troll drawings

Default avatar.png JBM: wasn't the one enough?

Astrobytes: I'm alright mood-wise, just grandfather issues

Astrobytes: He's in hospital now, and likely won't be returning to his home when he's better.

Default avatar.png JBM: hey eZ, while you're...

Default avatar.png JBM: (22:12:55) eulerscheZahl a quitté le salon

Default avatar.png JBM: ok i get the message

Astrobytes: And yes, MOAR of those amazing troll drawings :D

Default avatar.png JBM: yea those times are hard

Default avatar.png JBM: well i'm OBIOUSLY going to have to add moar

Default avatar.png JBM: but i'm too lazy to draw that much more

Default avatar.png JBM: so 1) i accept contribs

Default avatar.png JBM: 2) i'll set a troll pants color picker in the viewer params

Astrobytes: lol

Default avatar.png JBM: i can't really accept a troll colour picker

Default avatar.png JBM: because it's going to be part of the game messages

Default avatar.png JBM: which can't be post-skinned

Astrobytes: Get drawing some trolls eulerscheZahl

Default avatar.png JBM: he left

Astrobytes: dammit

AntiSquid: hey JBM when's your birthday?

AntiSquid: i think i found something nice for you

Default avatar.png JBM: errrr zhere'd that come from?

Default avatar.png JBM: please share!


Default avatar.png JBM: > Sorry, the page you are looking for could not be found.


AntiSquid: without the g at the end oops

Default avatar.png JBM: you been drinking?

AntiSquid: i don't drink

Default avatar.png JBM: errr rok anime avatars

Default avatar.png JBM: what's that gotta do with me?

AntiSquid: just being nice, thought i found perfect gift for your avatarless profile

AntiSquid: and early happy birthday!

Default avatar.png JBM: my profile's fine

Default avatar.png JBM: thank you so much

Default avatar.png JBM: and a happy unbirthday to you!

AntiSquid: so much ungratefulness ... AutomatonNN not sure how to deal with this

Ziatzoraf: actually there is a big difference between slavery and voluntering

AutomatonNN: fix them and why is that correct that i don't know how to play it with a map of a game before or the

Project-Magenta: AutomatonNN wat

AutomatonNN: why not just put on the server?

Ziatzoraf: voluntering = when you code or do something you can do this from heart

Project-Magenta: ok

Project-Magenta: xD

AntiSquid: unbirthday ? JBM what? excuse me? you suddenly hate me ?

Ziatzoraf: slavery= when you do something you feel bored and you wanna die

Default avatar.png JBM: oh sorry

Default avatar.png JBM: happy birthday it is, then

Astrobytes: think he meant non-birthday squiddo

Default avatar.png JBM: (i've always hated you, why do you read that as sudden?!)

Jasperr: watch out before he ban you

Astrobytes: lol

AntiSquid: ah that would make sense Astrobytes

Ziatzoraf: sorry i have been late beacuse i was doing something

Jasperr: what can moderators even do on cg anyways?

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah they really give those powers to the worst

AntiSquid: i banned spammers

Jasperr: oh they actually can ban?

AntiSquid: what does that have to do with chat conflicts

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah what's the english term?

Astrobytes: for...?

Default avatar.png JBM: the english term totally is unbirthday!

AntiSquid: ah

AntiSquid: for leap year birthdays

AntiSquid: need to fix my english :/

Astrobytes: Jeez, OK, we take Through the Looking Glass as a source of meaningful words

Astrobytes: I raise your "unbirthday" with "runcible spoon"

AntiSquid: " JBM 09:20PM yeah they really give those powers to the worst" thinking carefully about this, i have to completely agree with you, me being the exception ofc :thinking:

Default avatar.png JBM: Naturally.

AntiSquid: no i mean i 100% agree there, so damn true

AntiSquid: bunch of scumbags

Default avatar.png JBM: AMAB

Astrobytes: lol, it's morphed into some kind of regular internet chat

Astrobytes: Still waiting on you topping my "runcible spoon" JBM

Default avatar.png JBM: gonna be hard

Astrobytes: (or just "runcible")

AntiSquid: confused about the random "AMAB" in chat

Default avatar.png JBM: that just reminds me of rincewind

Default avatar.png JBM: and crucible

Jasperr: whats a runcible spoon?

Astrobytes: Terry Pratchett?

Default avatar.png JBM: so I'd need an [adjective] spork

Default avatar.png JBM: AntiSquid: look for ACAB

Astrobytes: Google the "runcible spoon" Jasperr, it's from a poem

AbundantPuddle: Is it akin to a crucible knife?

AntiSquid: oh ... hm :thinking:

Jasperr: lol

Default avatar.png JBM: most of lewis is "from a poem"

Astrobytes: No AbundantPoolOfLiquid

Default avatar.png JBM: great excuse for legitimizing drug use

AbundantPuddle: Lol

Default avatar.png JBM: sorry

Default avatar.png JBM: legitimiSing

AbundantPuddle: It's actually a myth that Caroll was on drugs.

Default avatar.png JBM: the proof is in writing

AntiSquid: how so?

Default avatar.png JBM: (and i *like* it)

Default avatar.png JBM: well... just read it, right?

AntiSquid: maybe it's the gift to write like a stoner without ever getting high

AbundantPuddle: That is not proof.

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah ok

Ziatzoraf: :/

Astrobytes: I have no problem with usage of certain substances in all honesty

Default avatar.png JBM: it'd be if i were a psychiatrist

AntiSquid: ok wait

AbundantPuddle: There is literally no evidence whatsoever that he took drugs.

Default avatar.png JBM: nope

Default avatar.png JBM: literally none

Default avatar.png JBM: but opinions werent' formed out of the void

AbundantPuddle: We know of many other authors and their substance abuse, so why not Caroll's?

Astrobytes: But thousands of people who were thought he must've been, that counts for something right?

AntiSquid: could have been a form of synesthesia, where the guy starts seeing colors from whatever other stimuli in his surrounding, for example some people with it get it triggered by music

Default avatar.png JBM: just read more from him :)

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah your crazy rationalization is as good as mine

Astrobytes: Yeah AntiSquid I used to get that a lot on ac... I will not incriminate myself

AbundantPuddle: Well considering most people who say he did drugs assume he was on LSD, which is a synthesized man made drug that didn't exist in his time, I find it pretty hard to believe.

Default avatar.png JBM: so maybe it wasn't lsd then

Astrobytes: I never heard anyone say that

AbundantPuddle: Psylocibin maybe?

Default avatar.png JBM: that's more or less "explicit"

Astrobytes: *Psilocybin

AbundantPuddle: Maybe he was hanging out with some fungi's?

AbundantPuddle: Astro, you really seem to enjoy correcting my spelling. Lol.

AntiSquid: what about lovecraft ?

Default avatar.png JBM: completely diferent stuff

AbundantPuddle: Astro is on drugs.

AntiSquid: you need drugs to have a wild imagination?

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah, kind of

AntiSquid: i don't think so

Default avatar.png JBM: until proved otherzise

Default avatar.png JBM: i'm not going to get my hands to accept this evening's current layout am i

AntiSquid: other people don't tick differently eh?

AbundantPuddle: So guilty until proven innocent?

Astrobytes: Sorry, AbundantPuddle, born pedant, mushroom enthusiast and biologist with interests in organic chem.

Default avatar.png JBM: why the negativity?

Default avatar.png JBM: i see no shame in it

Astrobytes: (general fungi I mean by enthusiast)

AbundantPuddle: It's all good Astro. If I'm wrong with something, I expect someone to correwct me. Just giving you a hard time.

AntiSquid: i don't see drug use as a necessity to have a wild fantasy, that's all

Astrobytes: And I am on drugs, just legal ones.

Default avatar.png JBM: i... wish it weren't

Default avatar.png JBM: but am still not convinced of the opposite

AbundantPuddle: Everybody is always on drugs all the time.

AntiSquid: an assumption and there's no proof for it

Default avatar.png JBM: sure

Default avatar.png JBM: as is yours

Astrobytes: I'll be honest, I've done my share of 'mind-expanding' substances in the past, and thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it.

AntiSquid: that people are different and don't all fall into a specific niche?

Default avatar.png JBM: that doesn't have much to do with it dose it?

Default avatar.png JBM: not that i disagree

AntiSquid: it does imo, since i am sure some have less imagination than others

Default avatar.png JBM: likely

AbundantPuddle: Please don't ever become a scientist or lawyer. You don't seem to fully comprehend the burden of proof.

Default avatar.png JBM: "the burden of proof lies on the minority"

Astrobytes: I have a wild imagination, very creative, and let me assure you that what you can experience with certain substances cannot be conjured merely by 'imagining'.

Astrobytes: @AntiSquid

AntiSquid: so you are saying in order to write something like that drugs are a necessity

Sian88: Came here to learn how to code, learned about drugs instead....

Default avatar.png JBM: no we aren't

Astrobytes: Not at all

AbundantPuddle: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges

Astrobytes: Sorry Sian88, just a particular branch we explored from earlier conversation

Default avatar.png JBM: AbundantPuddle: and where's *your* line between "charges" and "expressed opinions"? :D

Sian88: Does anyone have any recommendations for a total beginner (despite 1 year of poorly taught C prog in uni) to try to self-teach?? (that preferably don;t require psychedelics - they are awfully hard to come by in isolation)

AntiSquid: Sian88 wrong, you missed the main topic

Default avatar.png JBM: AntiSquid: they're easy to come by?


AbundantPuddle: Is it an established fact that Caroll was a person? Yes. Is it an established fact he was on drugs? No. This is where your conjecture comes in which requires you to prove this.

AntiSquid: vivid random thoughts? yes they are imo JBM

Default avatar.png JBM: Is it an established fact that he wasn't?

Scarfield: or prove its a myth? :p

Astrobytes: Sian88: Can you competently code in C? Are you familiar with any other languages?

Default avatar.png JBM: my conjecture is as good as youre, methinks

Sian88: haha nope

Scarfield: is a good place to start, also just to get a hang of how the site works :)

Sian88: I know nothing. Honestly, my lecturer was awful

AbundantPuddle: Again, please don't become a lawyer or scientist. This is not how the burden of proof works.

AbundantPuddle: This is how conspiracy nuts have haydays.

Default avatar.png JBM: i *am* a scientist

Default avatar.png JBM: so too late for that huh

Scarfield: xD

Scarfield: prove it!

dbdr: stop being a scientist then /s

Scarfield: that you are a scientist i mean

Default avatar.png JBM: that's Really Really hard

Sian88: Thanks scarfield, on that now and still wouldn't be getting anywhere without the solutions

Default avatar.png JBM: it really permeates my life

Astrobytes: Maybe try some Python or a decent C tutorial series Sian88? CG is kinda for when you have a reasonable handle on the language

AntiSquid: chat isn't really helping with coding, there' rarely someone writing whole articles about their bots in chat and it's not feasible either, because then those people need to rewrite the entire thing again for every new person that joins chat Sian88, so you're better off checking forums for feedback and strategies

AntiSquid: also the LEARN button at the top brings up a list of useful tutorials

AbundantPuddle: Right Click - View Source - CTRL F - Solution

AbundantPuddle: *"Solution"

AntiSquid: as for Carroll to be perfectly honest, it feels like in a way he was describing the world around him, crazy people doing crazy things and then set it within a fantasy world to make it slightly obscure, but it feels like a perfect description of ...

Default avatar.png ArianPunk: It's my 20th day of learning C (it's sorta my first general-purpose language) and I can't stop using double pointers as they're lovely. How's my progress sound?

twitlydoof: YO inpsiring

twitlydoof: You here?

twitlydoof: Inspiring Man

Astrobytes: Carroll was a pretty talented guy, a lot of the meaning off his stuff is somewhat obfuscated with his wordplay and general playfulness in his writing style

Default avatar.png JBM: i hope that's me

AntiSquid: this isn't a dating site, so probably not? twitlydoof

Default avatar.png JBM: wait---isn't it?

AntiSquid: if it is then Automaton2000 and AutomatonNN are mechanical sex workers

Automaton2000: yea i know msmits :p

AutomatonNN: but i can't see how to code and what is the same asset on the contest for a while and i don't know w

Default avatar.png JBM: and we live them for it

Default avatar.png JBM: *love

Scarfield: Automaton2000 "are you by any chance a ... pleasure model?"

Automaton2000: one of the most important part


Astrobytes: gogogo AbundantPuddle :)

AbundantPuddle: What did I do?

Astrobytes: (still had Vindinium open from earlier, saw your submit(

Astrobytes: *)

AbundantPuddle: Lmao

Default avatar.png JBM: submitted and on a rising slope in a multi?

Astrobytes: Most importantly, not cheating ;)

AbundantPuddle: You can cheat? WTF have I been coding for then?!?

Default avatar.png JBM: wait, can we cheat?

AntiSquid: /cheats -on

AbundantPuddle: Lmfao!

AntiSquid: /greedisgood

Astrobytes: Premium account only

AbundantPuddle: rosebud

Default avatar.png JBM: SPOILER ALERT

Astrobytes: Is that a Citizen KAne reference?

AbundantPuddle: Wait, how do you get the slash in chat?

AbundantPuddle: \/test

struct: Do I need premium to release Yinsh?

AbundantPuddle: Nope

Jasperr: /likethis

Jasperr: put a space in front of it

AntiSquid: space slash

AbundantPuddle: /test

AbundantPuddle: Oh, well that wasn't very fun.

AntiSquid: or add some special char

AntiSquid: claim slash doesn't work anymore

Astrobytes: Just wait struct, CG devs will sort it soon hopefully

AbundantPuddle: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start

Default avatar.png JBM: what's wrong with yinsh?

AntiSquid: struct thibaud mentioned on discord he told the devs about it

Default avatar.png JBM: (apart being from struct, ofc)

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah he always says that

Astrobytes: yeah yeah konami code

Default avatar.png JBM: i think thibaud's a bot

Jasperr: thats kind of his job xD

Astrobytes: Thibot

AbundantPuddle: The OG cheat

Default avatar.png JBM: if (complaining_detected()) say ("I had a word with DEV about it");

AntiSquid: no he is just community manager

Default avatar.png JBM: nice of him being a manager

struct: JBM there is a bug in aprooval and yinsh cant get aprooved

Default avatar.png JBM: but who's rthe community?

AntiSquid: "managing" us

Default avatar.png JBM: and what's it there for

struct: Everytime someone tries to aproove the 3rd time it doesnt alloiw

Default avatar.png JBM: he can manage me when he pays me

Astrobytes: I thought we were in a TAZ

AbundantPuddle: Oh, I thought Yinsh was already approved.

AntiSquid: the CG community has same role as humans had for the greek gods, beings that generate prayers the gods feed on

struct: I dont remember if I tried to aproove my own contribution with post or not

struct: Just to test

Astrobytes: struct, approve not aproove

Default avatar.png JBM: act it's "approuve"

struct: aprovar

AntiSquid: aproba

AbundantPuddle: Astro, do you just sit there with a dictionary open?

Astrobytes: I suppose 'aproove' is actually correct phonetically here in Scotland

Scarfield: xD

Default avatar.png JBM: with their special /r/

AbundantPuddle: Better than "aproofed."

Astrobytes: No, I'm a lifelong Guardian reader, known for pedantry and correction.

Default avatar.png JBM: Pedantry is Important/

Astrobytes: We didn't call it the Grauniad for nothing.

AntiSquid: do you also trying to phonetically correct people?

AntiSquid: try *

AbundantPuddle: Ah, a pedantrophile?

Default avatar.png JBM: why try when you can just do it

AntiSquid: youtubers call it a grammar nazi

Astrobytes: If they're trying to learn then yes. I would expect the same back

AbundantPuddle: Wonder why that term never took off?

AntiSquid: which one?

Astrobytes: I'm not a grammar Nazi, but I try to help out with spelling or wrong words if people are not native English speakers especially

AbundantPuddle: Pedantrophile

Astrobytes: Pedantrobytes to you CopiusAmountsOfPooledLiquid

AbundantPuddle: Lmao

AntiSquid: Pedantrophctyl

Astrobytes: A Pedantrophile would be someone really into pedants...

Man_on_the_Moon: ah

Default avatar.png JBM: like we needed that

AbundantPuddle: Yes Astro

Astrobytes: I'm not pedantic *all* the time btw, I need to be in my work, but in chat it's just a handy windup mechanism

Astrobytes: *mostly

AbundantPuddle: And someone who is unable to achieve formalism would be "impedant."

Astrobytes: That just makes me think of impedance

AbundantPuddle: I was thinking more along the lines of "impotent." Lol.

AntiSquid: why do i need to add all these annoying "throwsexception" bits in Java ?! why am i not allowed to have cleaner and more concise code ?

Astrobytes: Impedence -> electrical circuits -> speakers -> soundsystem was my thought process there

Default avatar.png JBM: works for coaxial ethernet too

struct: just ditch java AntiSquid

AbundantPuddle: I guess if you formally hook wires up to your genitals?

AntiSquid: i would do so without ever looking back

Astrobytes: Effective resistance applies to many things JBM

AntiSquid: but to run the CG games locally you need Java ugh

Default avatar.png JBM: doesn't it

Astrobytes: I know you know that

Default avatar.png JBM: i know you knew i did

AntiSquid: you coded yinsh in java didn't you struct so ...

Astrobytes: I knw I... .fk it

AntiSquid: why not kotlin btw?

struct: I had too

**Astrobytes resists the urge

**AbundantPuddle viv la revolucion

struct: never tried it

Astrobytes: should've used Clojure

Astrobytes: /s

AntiSquid: csj made his referees in kotlin, but i think there's still a bit of Java code filth remaining

AbundantPuddle: Surprised Astro didn't correct my Spanish there.

AntiSquid: vivende ?

**Astrobytes still resisting

Default avatar.png JBM: clojure's fine

AntiSquid: scala ?

AbundantPuddle: Well it could be vivende as well. But it should have been viva.

Astrobytes: Oh, mi corazon

Default avatar.png JBM: that's a natural typo everyone read through

AntiSquid: lamb hearts

AbundantPuddle: Hahaha

Astrobytes: Never used Clojure actually

Default avatar.png JBM: just do roller coasters already

Astrobytes: Oh it has a Clojure reward

AntiSquid: if you try to do CG language achievements you end up having to use every single language on CG eventually

Astrobytes: That's only bad if they add a D achievement

AntiSquid: have you tried D?

struct: fact: rollercoaster can be bruteforced in javascript but not on c++

Astrobytes: Yes.

AntiSquid: it's relatively easy compared to the others

Astrobytes: I didn't like it at all.

Default avatar.png JBM: D is a very good language

AntiSquid: you can't like all languages

Default avatar.png JBM: the fact it came to life here is a real problem

AntiSquid: why

Default avatar.png JBM: but you can only blame its zealots for that, not tha actual language

AbundantPuddle: Fortran

struct: D top 1 language 2020

Astrobytes: It has some cool features and whatnot, I don't get on with it personally (wrt D). And I have no real use for it.

Default avatar.png JBM: why? because it was a op, and did'nt stem from an actual need/desire for the language here from any subcommunity

AntiSquid: the D zealots are a bunch of cowards, as soon as D was added instead of teaching the will of the D they ran off with their tails between their legs

Astrobytes: Yes. I sincerely hope CG learned from that.

Default avatar.png JBM: just see D as C++ without the legacy

AntiSquid: will of D is one piece refefence in case anyone missed it

AntiSquid: reference *

Astrobytes: If I was a mod I would kick you for every 2nd anime reference :P

AntiSquid: you can't kick other mods

Astrobytes: MAjor platform flaw

Astrobytes: :D

AntiSquid: also you can't stop anime same as people didn't manage to stop the spread of the bible, anime will come

Astrobytes: I see...

Uljahn: forced spreading is not nice

Astrobytes: In the general case?


Astrobytes: jacek :joy:

Astrobytes: 40.f

Astrobytes: woops

Astrobytes: wrong window

AntiSquid: 40f is that a Java float variable ?

Astrobytes: No

Astrobytes: And it was also a typo, should've been 4.0f

Default avatar.png iduel: where can i learn coding easily for free?

Default avatar.png JBM: i can give you free lessons for $$$

Default avatar.png iduel: which language?

Astrobytes: Where can I lear to fly a plane for free?

Default avatar.png JBM: whichever

Astrobytes: *learn

Astrobytes: lol JBM

Default avatar.png iduel: :joy:

Trice: Is there someone, who solved the Tron battle, and in silver league?

Default avatar.png JBM: you don't "solve" tron battle

Default avatar.png JBM: you "compete"

Astrobytes: I told you this about Code Royale the other day Trice

Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm going to watch something and fall asleep, gn/bn

Default avatar.png JBM: like, the TvC last battles?

Default avatar.png JBM: gn8 astroes

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: bn JBM

Default avatar.png JBM: it's out of alpha! spread the word!

Default avatar.png JBM: LOL just noticed AntiSquid competed in D

Default avatar.png JBM: you troll

YurkovAS: Trice for tron use Voronoi Diagrams. game description has link

Default avatar.png JBM: or just floodfill

Trice: Thank you for the tips :grin:

AbundantPuddle: I code in JavathonScript D#+.NET

AbundantPuddle: It's OOPs

Default avatar.png JBM: it so is

AbundantPuddle: Sometimes I like to refer to it as OOPsie dAIsies.

AbundantPuddle: I like my numbers like I like my friends - imaginary.

Default avatar.png BieberFever419: 6+9i

daffie: was that last code clash broken or just me?

daffie: AbundantPuddle

AbundantPuddle: I'm not sure what you mean daffie

daffie: were you able to solve it

daffie: because I knew my math was right but it was expecting answers that were off by like 1 digit like a typo or something

AbundantPuddle: I personally didn't in time, but it was solvable.

AbundantPuddle: Did you round up if it was a float?

daffie: it was simple algebra

AbundantPuddle: The directions specified to round up.

daffie: round(d/((d/x)-y))

daffie: is what I was using

AbundantPuddle: That doesn't necessarily round up

AbundantPuddle: You need something like math.ceil

daffie: I was using ceil, but that's not the issue

daffie: for example like I think number 5 was d=9999, x=12, y=10. I was getting 4999.5 but it was expecting 49995

AbundantPuddle: I can't say for sure. I don't remember the test cases, but there were people with programs that used expressions that worked 100%.

daffie: yea they used no math, simple loop, add x, subtract, y, count the number of iterations it takes to reach d

daffie: I totally thought of doing this, but thought that the math would be simple enough but I was wrong

AbundantPuddle: I'm fairly certain the top two who had the shortest code used a mathematical formula.

AbundantPuddle: I could be wrong. I only glanced at their code, but I was pretty sure I saw formulas and not loops.

daffie: nope he used a loop, but it was a language I see people use for like code golf and stuff where it can be written really compact