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MadKnight: he probably meant this kind of time

MadKnight: not exactly now

Default avatar.png theroot99: how can i end the currrent buttle to start another one fastly?

MadKnight: no way

MadKnight: is your current battle so slow? why ?

Default avatar.png theroot99: i love you bot any way hhhhhh

Default avatar.png Bogow: hi

MadKnight: hihi Bogow

c0cainee: Hallo (:

Default avatar.png KelseyBeard: :wave:

TheRaz: hi

thibpat: :wave: I'm going live to work on the Twixt-PP challenge. Today we're going to write an evaluation function to prepare for a minmax implementation.

Default avatar.png Daniyal_De_Perser: Hi

Default avatar.png Daniyal_De_Perser: :)

c0cainee: I didn't lose, my mouse died in the middle of the clash

MSmits: and you were stricken with grief

MSmits: losing a pet is hard, I know

MSmits: Basil, nooooooo

MSmits: :mouse: :cry:

Default avatar.png letsaladeen: Hi

Default avatar.png letsaladeen: I was solving the Mars lander - Episode 1.... I am not getting the Outputs for the sample 3 turns at all

Default avatar.png letsaladeen: can some body help me understand?

darkhorse64: Paste your code in the chat

Quidome: Did someone solved bender 4?

Quidome: Can you go with bfs alone or do you have to put in other tricks as well?

Quidome: I am at 60% at the moment getting time-outs

emigr2k1: HOW IS EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quidome: GREAT!!!!!!!

MSmits: quidome, ask euler when he's on, it's his puzzle

MSmits: Illedan probably solved it too

jrke: just bored

MSmits: I'm hyped. Having my first AI class in 10 mins

MSmits: on zoom

Quidome: Can I join :)

MSmits: nah, i am not the teacher, just a student here

MSmits: otherwise you would of course be welcome

Quidome: :)

wlesavo: MSmits wow grats

wlesavo: oh, i thought you was the teacher

wlesavo: still nice :slight_smile:

MSmits: no, this is a requirement for becoming a CS teacher

MSmits: I was supposed to do a different class, but it got cancelled, too few participants

wlesavo: how long will that take?

MSmits: so now I do AI...

MSmits: 5 classes, bunch of assigments and an exam

MSmits: a few months

Quidome: There seems to me a bug in my ranking. My bot programming detail doesn't add up tp the bor programming total...

jrke: exam !!!!

Quidome: Anyone else having the same

Quidome: ??

MSmits: Never checked it Quidome

MSmits: too much to add up :P

wlesavo: so you probably will be ready to start teaching next year?

Quidome: Aha, I have only 1 line :)

MSmits: I am teaching this year, but no degree

Quidome: so that was easy

MSmits: I have a degree for teaching physics, but not CS

wlesavo: oh, so you already teaching cs as well, i missed that

MSmits: yeah I taught 4 hrs a week

MSmits: last years of high school

MSmits: 17-18 yr olds

MSmits: mostly did python this year. Pretty basic

MSmits: though some students obviously can do a lot more

wlesavo: i only had a pascal in my school, still was nice to try, many people didnt have even that

MSmits: yea

MSmits: most schools have some form of it now though

MSmits: allright, I am off to zoom, ttyl :)

wlesavo: gl

MSmits: thanks

emigr2k1: are you awake

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: Anyone here knows how to import the random module in C#?

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: Am trying to write a random search for CSB and I need random number within a randge

dbdr: WINWINWIN I expect it's there, you just need to use it as normal

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: Do I have to import the module?

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: and is it like python with randrange?

dbdr: I don't use C#. did you try to google your question?

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: Yes, cant find any good doc

Default avatar.png Shurishe: using System; var rnd = new Random(); var randValue = rnd.Next(int from, int to)


Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: thanks dbdr

Default avatar.png Friedchicken: hi,I am new here.somebody could tell me how can i do this

Default avatar.png Centrius: just look at hints and write that basi algorithm

Default avatar.png Centrius: you just need to adjust power by checking v_speed

Uljahn: use -3Vel ezpz, Automaton2000

Automaton2000: and he said he is not the best option

Default avatar.png Anower: hi

Default avatar.png Anower: i am new here

cegprakash: hi

aCat: hello Anower

cegprakash: welcome

Default avatar.png Anower: thank you bro

Default avatar.png Anower: where from you ??

cegprakash: gold bosses use random :(

cegprakash: is there any bot in gold that does play the same moves every game?

cegprakash: I use a constant seed and constant no. of simulations

cegprakash: but the games are diff under same conditions

cegprakash: for eg. choosing same spawn positions every game

cegprakash: why was a boss chosen with random :\ how did it even qualify to be gold boss

struct: He was at the top

struct: I think random is fine

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: is anyone here c++ developer?

AntiSquid: nope, nobody

eulerscheZahl: ceg play against yourself and detect if you are p1 or p2 for one of them just hardcode your moves

Uljahn: when was the last time gold boss wasn't random btw?

Uljahn: also this time it's just python which is so slow you could easily pass with c++ using pragmas :smirk:

eulerscheZahl: ezpz

dbdr: OOC gold boss could have been deterministic

dbdr: Uljahn. wlesavo just removed the seed by accident just before, not knowing he would be the boss of course

Uljahn: sure but i don't think being deterministic is a must have feature for a gold boss

dbdr: it's nicer

dbdr: not must have, nice to have :)

Uljahn: i'd like to have deterministic UTTT gold boss :joy:

dbdr: could be done

dbdr: take a strong bot, seed, limit to 20ms

dbdr: wait

Uljahn: xd

dbdr: I mean, limit to a fixed number of iterations that fits easily in 40ms

dbdr: :)

Uljahn: and then just make an opening book agains it

dbdr: sure :D

dbdr: if you can do that, you belong to legend anyways

dbdr: bottom legend if it's your only trick

dbdr: yay, smells like promotion

Uljahn: you should win vs top gold bots though

dbdr: true

wlesavo: how does promotion smell?

dbdr: sweet

Uljahn: like 6 hours delay?

dbdr: I pushed field3 too

dbdr: no, community

dbdr: no delay

wlesavo: what game?

dbdr: Tulips

wlesavo: oh

wlesavo: nice

dbdr: you can place anywhere, so it has huge branching, like go

dbdr: not sure which other games are like that on CG

eulerscheZahl: no way to minimax beyond 2 turns without pruning

wlesavo: antisquid submitted stub in D?

dbdr: as usual

eulerscheZahl: he usually does that

eulerscheZahl: not understanding that multiplayers don't count for your language awards

dbdr: :D

dbdr: not even sure if depth 2 would work

eulerscheZahl: me neither. but i'm sure beyond won't

dbdr: yeah

dbdr: it actually depends on the map size

dbdr: 8x8 and 16x16 are quite different

eulerscheZahl: there are even different board sizes?

dbdr: all x * y for x and y independently in (8..16)

eulerscheZahl: any new rules in the higher league?

dbdr: Statement now says "Welcome among the best! " :D

dbdr: otherwise I don't see any new rule

eulerscheZahl: fibonacci scoring, i've seen that before on CG

dbdr: yeah. cvz right?

eulerscheZahl: right

dbdr: I actually did not find it on OEIS

dbdr: the sequence of partial sums

eulerscheZahl: can't be

dbdr: can't?


dbdr: can't not be there? :D

dbdr: that's fibonacci

dbdr: not the partial sums of fibonacci

dbdr: which is what is used

eulerscheZahl: what are partial sums?

wlesavo: typescript stub won 6/2 against D stub

eulerscheZahl: that's sum(fib(1)...fib(n-1))

dbdr: yes

eulerscheZahl: which is equal to fib(n)-1

eulerscheZahl: which sums do you want?

dbdr: I might be stupid :D

eulerscheZahl: inattentive

dbdr: I'm sure it

dbdr: 's easy to prove

dbdr: is it obvious to know it's that?

dbdr: the funny thing it I've been calculating the sum by hand and not noticing the connection :D

dbdr: adding one each time my bot crashed

eulerscheZahl: i computed the first few terms by hand and looked it up. then i was like: fib(n)-1, interesting discovery

dbdr: publish a paper about your discovery ;)

dbdr: a revolution in mathematics

eulerscheZahl: noone will accept it

dbdr: you'd be surprised

wlesavo: couple of years too late

eulerscheZahl: except for junk science journals

dbdr: I just saw a video about an economics paper published in the best journal by world famous researchers

dbdr: they made 3 huge mistakes in their excel sheet

wlesavo: yeah, i have full mail of scientific spam from journals that will probably accept it

dbdr: which completely changed their main result

dbdr: it was discovered 3 years later by a student

eulerscheZahl: i'll hand it to waset then.

wlesavo: dbdr google the story of Jan Hendrik Schön

wlesavo: you'll love it :slight_smile:


Default avatar.png MarcMarc: hi

eulerscheZahl: i have a nice CCC talk about these predatory journals, as they are called there but it's all in german :/

eulerscheZahl: english live translation

eulerscheZahl: funny story wlesavo

Default avatar.png MarcMarc: hiiiiii

Default avatar.png MarcMarc: hi\n

dbdr: fun fact: the referee recomputes the series, and the sum of the series, each time

dbdr: at least I'm not the only one :D

eulerscheZahl: it's fine, the referee doesn't run a lot of simulations


eulerscheZahl: // izpise v error od referreja

dbdr: :D

eulerscheZahl: i have it when comments aren't in English

dbdr: I think the theoretical max is 8 * 3 + 1 = 25

eulerscheZahl: but thumbs up for publishing the code, not everyone does that

eulerscheZahl: sounds right

eulerscheZahl: about 75k

dbdr: there are community multis without the source?

Default avatar.png psylogy: mhoulk please share

eulerscheZahl: or at least not on github

dbdr: I have 85 const FIBSUM: [Gold; 25] = [0, 0, 0, 7, 12, 20, 33, 54, 88, 143, 232, 376, 609, 986, 1596, 2582, 4179, 6763, 10944, 17709, 28655, 46366, 75023, 121391, 196416];

dbdr: ignore that 85, that's line number :)

eulerscheZahl: are you sure about the 75023? not 75024?

dbdr: fib has 75024

dbdr: so should be 23 no?


eulerscheZahl: bonus point if you recognize the language i used to produce this output

dbdr: ah, I'm looking at which already does the -1 :D

struct: This reminds me of Code vs Zombies

eulerscheZahl: but you only screwed up somewhere in the middle, at 2582

eulerscheZahl: i guess at this point it doesn't matter anymore

dbdr: yes, highly unlikely to matter. but ugly :)

dbdr: it would also be nicer to generate them at startup, but that would add one indirection at each access

dbdr: could be done at compile time, but not worth the effort

eulerscheZahl: hardcode is fine

eulerscheZahl: nobody wants to claim the obscure language bonus point? :(

eulerscheZahl: for(i=1,25,print(fibonacci(i)))

dbdr: was looking, but not familiar


dbdr: how did you get to use that?

eulerscheZahl: project euler

eulerscheZahl: i don't use it for larger scripts but it's a great calculator replacement

eulerscheZahl: and sage ( as the heavy gun

eulerscheZahl: supports scripting with python

eulerscheZahl: but replaces a few things, e.g. ^ is pow instead of xor

dbdr: it's math not programming :)

eulerscheZahl: and does exact computations (keeping sqrt and such) unless you round explicitly

eulerscheZahl: as i said: great for project euler

dbdr: ah, so it's symbolic?

eulerscheZahl: sage is

eulerscheZahl: can also solve equations

eulerscheZahl: was meant as an open source mathematica alternative

dbdr: ? sqrt(2)^2 %5 = 2.000000000000000000000000000

dbdr: looks a bit strange to me

eulerscheZahl: it even has a rubik cube solver integrated

dbdr: if you know it's 2 exactly, don't print decimals

eulerscheZahl: that's pari, which is not exact

eulerscheZahl: sage is

dbdr: ? sqrt(-1) %6 = 1.000000000000000000000000000*I ? sqrt(-1)^2 %7 = -1.000000000000000000000000000

dbdr: nice

eulerscheZahl: and there windows version was just a linux VM for a long time :rofl:

dbdr: :D

eulerscheZahl: their*

dbdr: - does your program run on Windows? - sure! there you go!

geouwu: how do i turn on "gory mode" ?

geouwu: i'm in code-vs-zombies

eulerscheZahl: chick the wheel at the bottom right of the viewer

eulerscheZahl: just adds splatter

geouwu: thanks, found iy

geouwu: it

eulerscheZahl: dbdr is the starter code for tulips correct?

eulerscheZahl: costs for build given in input

dbdr: I have:

dbdr: 285 assert_eq!(<Gold>(), 0); 286 assert_eq!(<Gold>(), COST_GRASS); 287 assert_eq!(<Gold>(), COST_ROCKS); 288 assert_eq!(<Gold>(), COST_FLOWER);

eulerscheZahl: oops, had a bad readline from refactoring the started :flushed:

dbdr: you get as inputs, but I think they are constants

dbdr: so I assert that :)

dbdr: maybe that changed during the design

Quidome: eulerscheZahl, I have 60% now on Bender 4. I am wandering can you solve all these with vanilla BFS or ...

Quidome: Going to build a testrig first now :)

eulerscheZahl: BFS with lookup to check for double visits

eulerscheZahl: oh, the boss at the tulips game isn't even stupid :o

eulerscheZahl: not completely i mean

Quidome: OK, I have that, must be something wrong then

Quidome: I am not moving dirtballs al the moment as a first try

eulerscheZahl: you don't have to do that to solve the puzzle

Quidome: I read that

Quidome: 60% puts met at place 35

Quidome: that's weird

eulerscheZahl: why?

Quidome: 765 started the puzzl

eulerscheZahl: play in IDE without submitting anything = started

eulerscheZahl: i think it scared off some users :(

Quidome: yes, ok, still

Quidome: :joy:

Quidome: I think it is a fun one :)

Default avatar.png Matrix007:

Default avatar.png Matrix007: whys is this wrong

Default avatar.png Matrix007: i cant understand

Default avatar.png Matrix007: new here

Quidome: do you get an error?

Quidome: cin gives you string, convert to int??

Uljahn: you should store and output "i" though

Default avatar.png Matrix007: it didnt give me error but it stopped runnin

Quidome: i think Uljahn is right :)

Quidome: store index and height, reply with index

Default avatar.png Matrix007: i compare with another variable then print the highest variable and does this loop for 8 times

dbdr: Running out of gold looks too much like a timeout I think

Quidome: yes, you determine the height of the heighest mountain and reply with the height, you must reply with the index of the heighest mountain

Uljahn: just read the rules once again :)

Default avatar.png Matrix007: i am still confused but i will try thanks for the help guys

Uljahn: you just need an additional variable to store index i

icecream17: Hi. that CSB one line gold thing worked! thanks sooo much

eulerscheZahl: -3v

dbdr: yay, wlesavo and eulerscheZahl joined tulips :)

wlesavo: not really though, just wanted to submit in typescript :slight_smile:

wlesavo: not sure if ill commit to anythinh before contest starts

dbdr: I'm just doing it leasurely :)

dbdr: planning another top rank wlesavo?

dbdr: you might do even better in a shorter format

eulerscheZahl: ice and fire is fun

eulerscheZahl: or get some rest before the next contest

Nerchio: what you guys playing again

Nerchio: it seems something different every day

Nerchio: xD

eulerscheZahl: i wasn't playing onitama yesterday

Nerchio: wleslavo i lost to your bot in silver or bronze in ghost in a cell lol :p

wlesavo: dbdr no :slight_smile: only if i will got that lucky again

dbdr: come on, it's not luck

Uljahn: true

wlesavo: well i will try my best anyway

wlesavo: eulerscheZahl i tried ice and fire quite a while ago, probably it was one of the first multis i tried, didn't really get it, may be i should come back to it

dbdr: well, what you like is subjective, and there's plenty to choose from

eulerscheZahl: and soon one more

dbdr: so probably best to try new ones

dbdr: game of life?

eulerscheZahl: pacman

dbdr: ah

dbdr: :)

wlesavo: euler lol


dbdr: aggressive first move by trictrac :D

Default avatar.png CovertGravy: how to private clash? I can't find it

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: press up compete

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: than scroll down

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: untill you see start private clash

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: you are welcome!

Default avatar.png CovertGravy: oh.. mm.. i got the option in the 3 dot menu of clash of code

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: Or so]

Default avatar.png IAmNoob: so*

PatrickMcGinnisII: What's new peepz?

AntiSquid: the peeps

Default avatar.png CovertGravy: thanks anyway @iamnoob

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: Any1 gold in fantastic bits?

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: stuck in top silver

PatrickMcGinnisII: Apparently we are pulling up daisies

jacek: hm?

PatrickMcGinnisII: :skull:

Quidome: what's the name of the daisy thing

Quidome: found him


dbdr: jacek in Java? :O

jacek: kree java!

MSmits: just received my first AI class assignment

MSmits: I'm supposed to do the six degrees of Kevin Bacon... calculate how many movies are required to link actors together

MSmits: so basically BFS I guess ?

MSmits: with alternating links I guess, movie->actor-> movie->actor

wlesavo: sixty shades of Kevin Bacon


MSmits: anyways, sounds like a medium difficulty CG puzzle

Quidome: Make one out of it and you will get tons of solutions :)

MSmits: lol, easier to solve it myself :)

eulerscheZahl: MSmits we have

MSmits: ah yes, that is the exact same thing

jacek: why is it in baby talk language?

eulerscheZahl: scroll down for the understandable version

Quidome: :punch:

eulerscheZahl: i'm tempted to at least swap french and english

Astrobytes: "baby talk language" :joy:

MSmits: I should solve this puzzle

MSmits: hmm, should I go with two types of Nodes, or just one type

eulerscheZahl: a person-node

MSmits: maybe a boolean to differentiate

eulerscheZahl: too long ago, differentiate what?

MSmits: a paper or a person

MSmits: you can use the same node if you add a boolean

eulerscheZahl: paper means you have a connection

eulerscheZahl: i should read the task again

MSmits: yes but papers have multiple persons and persons have multiple papers

wlesavo: euler is it possible to update puzzke to split statement in en and fr?

MSmits: so the two types of nodes are kind of equivalent

cegprakash: anyone in gold in OOC

eulerscheZahl: i have 2 classes: Node and Edge

eulerscheZahl: in my infinite naming creativity

Quidome: euler is rigth, the person is the node, the paper the edge

MSmits: ah, that works too

wlesavo: cegprakash my bot is doomed for gold

MSmits: yes but you can also do it the other way around Quidome

cegprakash: which league u in

cegprakash: gold boss plays randomly and I'm unable to repro the game

MSmits: papers are also connected through persons

eulerscheZahl: wlesavo you can't split a puzzle the same way as it works for SDK contributions

MSmits: just as persons are connected through papers

cegprakash: gold boss shouldn't qualify for a boss

cegprakash: because of it's randomness

eulerscheZahl: there you only see one statement, depending on your language selection on CG

wlesavo: eulerscheZahl oh, i see, didnt know that

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl why is gold boss so random

eulerscheZahl: set CG to french and then open an official puzzle

eulerscheZahl: cegprakash you pinged the wrong user with that question

wlesavo: i know ceg, i wrote it, sorry that happened

MSmits: well wlesavo, you didnt select the boss

eulerscheZahl: also never start a sentence with eulerscheZahl or you will teach bad things to AutomatonNN

AutomatonNN: when is the contest report ?

cegprakash: is it okay to end sentence with eulerscheZahl?

wlesavo: sorry for that, keep forgeting

eulerscheZahl: just not as the first word

wlesavo: also :slight_smile:

cegprakash: wlesavo do u have a standard version?

cegprakash: something I can test

cegprakash: is it possible to swap boss now?

eulerscheZahl: yes. reach legend to fight it

wlesavo: dont think that is possible

Astrobytes: Stop moaning and suck it up ceg, you can do it

MSmits: cegprakash just try a few players as opponents

PatrickMcGinnisII: why did u make me traverse the bacon rabbit hole?

eulerscheZahl: CG can change the boss. but i don't think that they want

eulerscheZahl: they didn't want to change it during the contest at least

MSmits: sorry PatrickMcGinnisII


eulerscheZahl: that's a lot of blue

cegprakash: oh complaints came during contest also

wlesavo: it is funny that they cutted the msg but didnot uncomment seed

PatrickMcGinnisII: I think dijkstra is better

eulerscheZahl: BFS is fine for erdös

eulerscheZahl: as every edge has the same weight (1)

MSmits: though, I think you need to be careful with python and queues. The list structure is going to have problems

MSmits: if you pop off the first item in the list, it will shift all elements

Uljahn: just use deque

Astrobytes: ^

MSmits: you need to import that then

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl do you do topcoder?

eulerscheZahl: very rarely and don't start a sentence like this

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl okay but why

**eulerscheZahl slaps cegprakash around a bit with a large fishbot

jacek: AutomatonNN why

AutomatonNN: Zenoscave is the best opportunity for that contest

jacek: Automaton2000 why not

Astrobytes: lel

**cegprakash slaps around a bit with a large fishbot

Automaton2000: so it won't help you in the right place to ask for help

MSmits: AutomatonNN thats totally true, he got loads of timeouts, was good for my rank

AutomatonNN: what do you mean by the same speed of a collision a single turn?

Uljahn: b-but AutomatonNN can't learn anything new

AutomatonNN: AutomatonNN is the real programmers here on the same task

eulerscheZahl: so, that's the current topcoder challenge

cegprakash: are you a red coder eulerscheZahl?

cegprakash: what's ur rating in TC

eulerscheZahl: i have no idea, probably not

eulerscheZahl: looks blue to me

wlesavo: is that NS?

eulerscheZahl: number shifting? no, it's rotating

wlesavo: or similar?

cegprakash: I'm blue too eulerscheZahl

eulerscheZahl: reminds me of a hackerrank problem

eulerscheZahl: let me find it again


cegprakash: you deserve to be red

cegprakash: from what I see u on codingame

eulerscheZahl: never tried hard on topcoder

cegprakash: I'm 10 yrs active in TC

cegprakash: and I think 7 yrs now on CG

cegprakash: only two websites which I'm active

eulerscheZahl: needs an account to access it, one second...

eulerscheZahl: where can i upload a pdf?

wlesavo: googledocs?

eulerscheZahl: do i need an account?

wlesavo: yeah

wlesavo: github?


eulerscheZahl: so that's somewhat similar to the hackerrank task

eulerscheZahl: and it was the only hackerrank contest where i won something

wlesavo: oh, its quite similar to this game

wlesavo: not exactly but close

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: anyone who can give tips to get out of silver in fantastic bits?

eulerscheZahl: share a replay

AntiSquid: fine tune your if else

wlesavo: thats how i got ooc legend

eulerscheZahl: and fantastic bits legend is easier

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN:

eulerscheZahl: back then bosses were weak

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: yea, have gone through most pms in the discussion

AntiSquid: the old pms aren't as detailed though

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: implemented what worked best but only reaches ~30th in Silver

eulerscheZahl: flipendo at frame 44 is a total waste

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: thanks eulerscheZahl(not first word :) )

Default avatar.png duckquackduck: hello, when does the weekly challenge finish?

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: on the physics engine, how far does a throw go?

eulerscheZahl: and at 29 you throw the ball right into the opponent

AntiSquid: Wednesday ?

eulerscheZahl: throw it sideways

eulerscheZahl: too long ago that i could tell you now how far you can throw

struct: Fantastic bits might be the shortest legend code I have

eulerscheZahl: duckquackduck what weekly challenge?

struct: 130 lines

Default avatar.png duckquackduck: TWIXT-PP

eulerscheZahl: puzzle of the week? i think there's a new every wednesday

eulerscheZahl: not always a multiplayer game

eulerscheZahl: just a random community contribution that gets promoted

Default avatar.png duckquackduck: ok, thank you

eulerscheZahl: and you can still play it after

struct: wtf is wroing with leaderboard?

eulerscheZahl: you are not on top of it?


eulerscheZahl: censored

Astrobytes: yeah, that's the new lb it seems

struct: I guess its WIP

struct: I hope


eulerscheZahl: works for me

struct: yeah it works now for me too

jacek: CSB?

struct: I guess it didnt load stuff yet

struct: This was FB

eulerscheZahl: but a weird edge on the left

eulerscheZahl: and the avatars melt into 1 huge picture

Astrobytes: I'm not overly keen on it, I must say

eulerscheZahl: i want the old css back

eulerscheZahl: i might even have it offline for statement writing

cegprakash: okay I found a constant move bot in gold..

cegprakash: AntiSquid

cegprakash: AntiSquid will be my testing bot

MSmits: man, onitama is just as bad as oware when it comes to tuning constants. You can win 80% vs your old version and then do the same or worse on the leaderboard

Default avatar.png WINWINWIN: Fixed flipendo and pushed code ty @eulerscheZahl

jacek: overfitting eh

MSmits: I guess so, but i didnt even try that hard. I just fit each constant once and it's already overfitted

eulerscheZahl: might also be because of different games (cards)

eulerscheZahl: some constants work better for some card combinations

MSmits: true, but I fit on CG bench so far

MSmits: so same card generation function, shouldnt matter over many games

MSmits: also the graph is consistent

MSmits: I should just fit against darkhorse, eric, renard etc.

jacek: going meta again

MSmits: yeah

eulerscheZahl: which of the 2 erics?

MSmits: Eric Cartman

MSmits: there's only one on the leaderboard :P

eulerscheZahl: illedan is an eric too

MSmits: oh right

eulerscheZahl: or Erik, i'm not sure anymore

MSmits: probably Erik

MSmits: they don;t do Eric in Norway

jacek: maybe in Nandway

MSmits: jacek, you high again?

eulerscheZahl: Notway

eulerscheZahl: no way*

MSmits: what is Nandway?

cegprakash: Norway?

jacek: we may never know

MSmits: oww coder humor

MSmits: got it

Astrobytes: nor, not, nand

jacek: :tada:

Default avatar.png mattshin64: does anyone know how to do a coding challenge through this website?

Default avatar.png mattshin64: I received a link for a coding challenge but it doesnt let me use my codingames account for it

Default avatar.png mattshin64: says i need a work codingames account but I can only make a work codingames account as a "company"

eulerscheZahl: you got a link to the interview questions?

eulerscheZahl: and if you click it, you don't get to the questions?

eulerscheZahl: (i never got the chance myself, just guessing how it could work)

eulerscheZahl: you could ping Thibaud, but i guess Friday evening is a bad timing

Default avatar.png mattshin64: yea it brings me to a login page

Default avatar.png mattshin64: i try to login with this account but it says it didnt exist

Default avatar.png mattshin64: Thibaud told me its because I dont have a work account, but then how do I create a work account as a candidate and not as a company?

Default avatar.png mattshin64: if i click register, then register as a candidate, it brings me back to the home page for codingames

Default avatar.png mattshin64: been battling this issue for a couple of days

Astrobytes: You've got a link from your prospective employer?

eulerscheZahl: sorry, no idea never used the part of the platform

aCat: bleh

Default avatar.png mattshin64: looks like a generic link

Default avatar.png mattshin64:

aCat: I got the yesterday's idea about quick clases

Default avatar.png mattshin64: something like this

aCat: *clashes

aCat: and people seems complayining

Astrobytes: mattshin64 afaik the company you've applied for a job with should send the link to the actual test

eulerscheZahl: we need more context to understand your concerns aCat

aCat: I'm playing clashes by leaving them instantly

aCat: someone yesterday said he did that for achiv

Astrobytes: Shocking behaviour catr

Astrobytes: *cat

aCat: to not waste lot of time ;p

aCat: I know

aCat: this cat is awful

eulerscheZahl: and i agree with Astrobytes, that link seems wrong

aCat: why you are surprised :>/

Astrobytes: :D

eulerscheZahl: but why are people complaining about you leaving?

aCat: they want a fair challenge?

eulerscheZahl: so mattshin64 you have 2 options: 1) contact thibaud again to make sure that the link is indeed incorrect

eulerscheZahl: 2) tell your employer in spe

Default avatar.png mattshin64: I think the recruiter might have sent me a faulty link

eulerscheZahl: and get the correct link

Default avatar.png mattshin64: yea I contacted them

eulerscheZahl: great

Default avatar.png mattshin64: thanks random people for the help!

Default avatar.png mattshin64: this is a nice community

Astrobytes: Yep I think it's a bad link, good luck when you get the real one :)

eulerscheZahl: and we have a contest soon, feel free to join

eulerscheZahl: starts in 2 weeks

Default avatar.png mattshin64: will do! thanks everyone once again!

jacek: dont forget to participate in clash and invite euler to it

Astrobytes: :smirk:

eulerscheZahl: i might even try topcoder this time, looks fun

eulerscheZahl: thanks cegprakash for reminding me

Astrobytes: the rotating subsquares thing from earlier?

eulerscheZahl: yes

MSmits: rotating subsquares sounds sexy... but no time :(

eulerscheZahl: and i already got the rotation code from hackerrank

Astrobytes: lol, in the bag

eulerscheZahl: but my hackerrank solver can only rotate in 1 direction :scream:

MSmits: then just rotate 3 times...

MSmits: it's a square

Astrobytes: I think that might affect performance

MSmits: ofc

Astrobytes: Shouldn't be hard to implement rotation counterclockwise

tobk: Just having a very strange effect in coders of the carribean. my bot's pathfinding will ALWAYS time out against a specific opponent, but not (or just very occasionally) against others

MSmits: use convert your code to c++ to offset performance so you can keep the one directional rotation

MSmits: thats the easiest way to fix it :P

tobk: (meaning that the pathfinding wil abort and just use MOVE X Y as default, not the entire bot timeouting)

tobk: any ideas what could be the reason for this? the other bot does not behave obviously weird, either

eulerscheZahl: my performance already sucks i think doing a rotation as transpose + revert

Astrobytes: My CotC bot is a bit shit frankly, not sure I can help tobk

Astrobytes: Won't take you long to improve it euler, when's the deadline?

eulerscheZahl: 5 days

Astrobytes: Loads of time, get on it

eulerscheZahl: tobk just reproduce it offline?

tobk: how, if it's only agains one bot?

eulerscheZahl: then play against that one bot?

tobk: when I play against "DeVan" in silver, pathfinding will time out EVERY time. every boat, every move, every game (different seeds, too)

eulerscheZahl: the toad has something for you

eulerscheZahl: how to reproduce it offline

tobk: thanks, will have a look at that

Astrobytes: Oh you did your toolchain thing

eulerscheZahl: might be overkill for a game where 1 state is enough

eulerscheZahl: even got the python requests lib working on

Astrobytes: Nice

eulerscheZahl: docker :fire:

tobk: but seriously, it must be something about that other bot that makes my bot timeout. how is that possible? maybe a problem with the referee?

Astrobytes: Most likely something in your pathfinding

tobk: oh, wait, I'm dumb

eulerscheZahl: copy the input given to your bot paste it in the local IDE

tobk: same problem as recently. I take the start time BEFORE taking the inputs

Astrobytes: LOL not again :D

tobk: so opp's time is counted towards my own NEXT TURN's time

eulerscheZahl: and that bot takes longer that others to compute :D

tobk: sorry :-(

Astrobytes: hehehe

eulerscheZahl: that should be part of the FAQs

Astrobytes: That FAQ todo list is growing :P

Astrobytes: woo blackbird is singing right on my windowsill

eulerscheZahl: i though he's in Frankfurt?

Astrobytes: lol, I should have anticipated that one

Astrobytes: *A Turdus merula is singing on my windowsill

Illedan: Yo, wazzup?

Astrobytes: Greetings

Astrobytes: Did you work any more on your OOC bot Illedan?

Illedan: Nah, I need a break from that madness :P

Illedan: And I got a new apartment, so I have to fix a bunch of stuff in the comming weeks..

Astrobytes: Oh nice. Same area or you moved somewhere different?

Illedan: Other side of the town, so about 20 min in car away

Astrobytes: Ditch the car and get a bicycle :P

Illedan: Yeah, I don't have a car

Illedan: But I need to borrow a car to move the shit :P

Astrobytes: lol, I have that problem when moving too

Illedan: I don't want a car big enough for moving anyway..

Illedan: So I would borrow even though i had one

Astrobytes: I used to want a small camper-van thing, so I could use it to travel aroudn and camp. But now I think I'd rather stick with the bicycle and travel slow

eulerscheZahl: i even needed my dad when corona forced me into home office i have a desktop PC at work, quite heavy

Astrobytes: Yeah, wouldn't have been fun trying to bring that back on your own

Illedan: I borrowed a car to bring my work chair home

eulerscheZahl: well... and i don't have a driving license :D

Illedan: :P

Illedan: Why not?

eulerscheZahl: i don't feel like i need it

eulerscheZahl: and i'm dangerous enough on a bicycle already

Astrobytes: I 'can' drive (if you put me in a situation) but don't have a license

eulerscheZahl: + the environment impact, not a fan of it

eulerscheZahl: fossil fules

Illedan: yeah, but it's nice to have the possibility :P

Astrobytes: Cause I grew up in London mostly there was no need as public transport or bicycle is all you need there

eulerscheZahl: i can always order a taxi when i need a car urgently

Astrobytes: Now I'm in Scotland is a bit different, it takes a long time to travel to the nice parts by bicycle

eulerscheZahl: still cheaper than taxes + insurance for the car

Illedan: Yeah, I could bring my chair on the subway. But I feelt it would be worse cause of Corona :P

Astrobytes: Fair point

Astrobytes: Promotion this time euler?

eulerscheZahl: no

eulerscheZahl: 0 wins vs boss

Illedan: what game?

eulerscheZahl: my strat is stupid


Astrobytes: I must admit I didn't expect the boss to be smart

eulerscheZahl: surprised me too

Illedan: I asked him to do it :P

Astrobytes: lol nice

Illedan: Think it's 2 or 3 ply minmax or something

eulerscheZahl: play onitama, i had mercy :P

eulerscheZahl: at least i'm beating maxime

Illedan: My hardcoding is even winnning you euler :D

Illedan: Let me push this

Illedan: lol

Illedan: This is hardcoded

Illedan: 10 wins

Illedan: xD

Illedan: lol

eulerscheZahl: and i lost already

eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Illedan: Look at my strat

Illedan: and how much I own you

Illedan: in that game

Illedan: LOL

eulerscheZahl: 20k points

Illedan: :D

eulerscheZahl: you should do this in the center

Illedan: nah

Illedan: others block too fast

eulerscheZahl: the new cheese

Illedan: This is the bot I made for him to fix the boss :P

eulerscheZahl: but why do you interfere with my submit? :/


Astrobytes: lol

Illedan: I saw I win you and was wondering if it would bring me to wood1 xD

eulerscheZahl: we don't know, the leaderboard is laggy

Illedan: 33 point boss and 30 point me

eulerscheZahl: and the formatting broken

eulerscheZahl: weird edge on the left

some_person_that_dan_doesnt_know: helo

jacek: ohai

some_person_that_dan_doesnt_know: a

some_person_that_dan_doesnt_know: a a a a

eulerscheZahl: be more careful about to whom you say "hi" next time jacek

jacek: or who i invite to clash eh

Quidome: hm, this hardcoding trick can be very effective

Quidome: maybe game rules are not so good

cegprakash: AntiSquid u track urself?

cegprakash: if I scare away from mines my bot is too scared and if I'm willing to take risk, I end up dying to mines

cegprakash: zz

cegprakash: AntiSquid why do you print "MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA"

cegprakash: is it a part of ur strategy

MSmits: it is extra humiliating

eulerscheZahl: he thinks it would be funny

eulerscheZahl: some people will never grow up :P

Astrobytes: It's something anime related again iirc

MSmits: true

MSmits: what a weeb, that AntiSquid

Astrobytes: :D

eulerscheZahl: ah, then i didn't get the reference

Astrobytes: Nor I

eulerscheZahl: you asked him?

Astrobytes: He mentioned it during the contest

jacek: is this a jojo reference?

eulerscheZahl: i guess i was offline at that time

Astrobytes: Who?

eulerscheZahl: do you know about the ship that loaded jojos?

eulerscheZahl: it sank 208 times

Astrobytes: ?

MSmits: Astrobytes it also came back up 207 times

Astrobytes: wth is a jojo


Astrobytes: Ahhh damn you and your j == y's lol


Astrobytes: yoyo's ofc

MSmits: actually, it's jojo

Astrobytes: I blame my painkillers

MSmits: you've got 2 countries vs 1 Astrobytes

eulerscheZahl: it's ananas

eulerscheZahl: not pineapple

MSmits: yep ananas

Astrobytes: I actually get on with that one OK

Astrobytes: Just through exposure

cegprakash: that MUDA MUDA is annoying

cegprakash: I need to find a better opponent

Astrobytes: pineapple is ridiculous. I assume it's because it was a fruit and vaguely resembles a pine cone

Default avatar.png ApenJulius: What do you get if you remove the B in Bananas? Pineapple

wlesavo: so muda muda does work, people cant debug against you

Astrobytes: lol ApenJulius

eulerscheZahl: ananas freely translate to "wet Anne" (Anna nass)

Astrobytes: All this talk of foreign lands is making me sad. Was supposed to be in Sweden for Midsommar this year

Astrobytes: "wet Anne" D:

wlesavo: Ananas comosus

eulerscheZahl: gotta go, cat tells me to go to bed

Default avatar.png ApenJulius: wish i had a wet anna....

wlesavo: that sounds even dirtier

cegprakash: I'll try Bob

Astrobytes: nn eulerscheZahl

cegprakash: I think Bob is all about if else

cegprakash: oh yes!! as I guessed

cegprakash: he doesn't use random

cegprakash: <3

cegprakash: wait what

cegprakash: he is a SONAR guy

cegprakash: damn

wlesavo: why you dont want just to do self test first vs second

cegprakash: me against me?

cegprakash: I need to know what blunders I do

cegprakash: I am never doing blunders :(

cegprakash: and I'm at 400+/439

cegprakash: my silver bot with bugs reached 380 though

cegprakash: now that I removed bugs, I dropped 30 ranks

Astrobytes: lots of rng though ceg, you'll need a strong bot to cut through that

cegprakash: rng?

Astrobytes: randomness

Default avatar.png ApenJulius: RandomNumberGenerator

Astrobytes: Random Number Generation, rng,

Astrobytes: Never play computer games ceg?

cegprakash: I only have 2 things on my TODO right now for OOC

cegprakash: 1) track myself

cegprakash: 2) mines pathing

Astrobytes: It's the gaming equiv of luck

cegprakash: 2 I've no idea

cegprakash: 1 I'll try now

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl gave a matrix with numbers 0 to 1 with probability

Astrobytes: Track yourself is same as tracking opponent, but you can disable a feature or 2

cegprakash: but I have a matrix which has only 0 or 1

Astrobytes: There's a bunch of ways to approach the problem as always ceg, one size never fits all

cegprakash: I'm thinking about tracking myself and increase my possible positions


AntiSquid: MUDA means useless / futile

AntiSquid: it's merely an evaluation of the opponent

Astrobytes: Got it

AntiSquid: jojo is okey-ish a story, but mainly like the hilarious references

cegprakash: if I know what my opponent would know after my combo then I will know which combo is better

AntiSquid: also when will haters grow up and appreciate great stories for what they are, format is irrelevant especially when western cartoons are just as popular as jap cartoons

AntiSquid: cegprakash just read the output know what i know

cegprakash: In my eval I always run away from opponent when I think he can be close to me

cegprakash: so I waste a lot of silence

Astrobytes: I don't hate on anime, Akira and GitC were amazing, seen loads of other good shit too. Just not into it much

Astrobytes: GitS

Astrobytes: (too much CG)

cegprakash: instead I can choose to use silence only to confuse opponent

cegprakash: instead of running away

cegprakash: okay I add tracking tomorrow

AntiSquid: this is cegprakash trying to beat my bot and failing:

cegprakash: today I added damage map

cegprakash: I'm going to play Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition

cegprakash: add me on steam if u play that game

Nerchio: good luck

Astrobytes: Oh and Fist of the North Star and Gundam and all that stuff too, and I was forced to sit through Project A-ko

wlesavo: so it was a jojo reference after all

cegprakash: AntiSquid :@

AntiSquid: you will never arrive at the truth

cegprakash: why u hide what u see

cegprakash: with printing MUDA MUDA MUDA

cegprakash: and 2 pages later print 42

cegprakash: I want to see 42 first

cegprakash: that's what I care about

cegprakash: I want to see what u see

wlesavo: 42 is also the reference

wlesavo: more obvious one

stacked: how does one do the rotate first element problem in 44 chars in python

stacked: does python have a rotate method or smth

stacked: insert(pop)?

Uljahn: deque has rotate method and numpy has roll

stacked: but u dont get those right

Default avatar.png Raluffel: can somebody explain me why i have a red cursor which does not allow me to write in the editor?

Uljahn: in 44 chars? probably not

stacked: yikes

Uljahn: Raluffel: try settings -> edit mode -> classic

Default avatar.png Raluffel: thank you :)

Default avatar.png Raluffel: nice, it worked, thanks a lot

Uljahn: stacked: is it some clash problem? do you have the statement?

stacked: yea

stacked: wait gimme a sec

stacked: its like, given N and an array A, print (space separated) the array A shifted to the right by one element

stacked: Uljahn

Astrobytes: what's N?

Uljahn: end, *rest = A; print(*rest, end)

Uljahn: could be this

Uljahn: N is length i guess

Astrobytes: Yeah, makes sense

Zenoscave: can you print args after star args in python? I thought that was disallowed

Zenoscave: or is it because of the end kwarg

Uljahn: it's unpacking i guess

Uljahn: and star args are used in a function definition

Nerchio: btw i might push a bot from 2017 from silver to gold xd

wlesavo: i took 5 guys to uttt gold with me today

Nerchio: :D

wlesavo: the bot is deterministic so if you you are also deterministic and have 100% wr against boss it gonna be pushed down for sure

Nerchio: finished 0.03 pts behind boss

Nerchio: sad

Nerchio: i want gold already i need to refactor some stuff xD

wlesavo: one resub should make it :slight_smile:

Nerchio: i am already submitting for like 10th time :D

wlesavo: lol

Nerchio: i am losing on some smaller maps too much incrementing

abobas: how to stop battles?

MadKnight: they will stop after N battles

Nerchio: old games have promotions only so rare :(

Default avatar.png theroot99: hello how can i make the bot play first in the last challeng?

Default avatar.png theroot99: not my bot, i mean win iam testing just

MadKnight: play in IDE

MadKnight: hey ZarthaxX

icecream17: how was "distance" calculated. because my program before gold (CSB) used distance, but now it's not in the inputs anymore

emigr2k1: d=x2-x1

emigr2k1: i get captcha always

MadKnight: icecream17 length of vector

icecream17: ok. and... what's the angle?

MadKnight: angle to checkpoint ?

MadKnight: are u only checking if it's >90 ?

icecream17: if (Dist / (Angle + 1) > 3000 {

MadKnight: this looks weird

MadKnight: super weird

MadKnight: u need to improve it