faisalam1n: Hey
thibpat: Hello, I'm streaming my progress on Ocean Of Code, focusing on Mine management today! https://twitch.com/thibpat
wlesavo: blasterpoard i cant come up with fight sim, dont know where to start even
AntiSquid: how's your herd immunity everyone?
hkouiorp: can some one help e
eulerscheZahl: yeah, help the irrational constant!
hkouiorp: i am getting the first question correct but when i am moving to the second one the first question is wrong
wlesavo: lol help eulersche zahl
Ifthel: Which questions?
hkouiorp: you guys are so rude
Ifthel: "rude"
hkouiorp: no not you
hkouiorp: the others
hkouiorp: you were kind enough to help me
Ifthel: They weren't rude either, though
hkouiorp: then
hkouiorp: ok first help me then
hkouiorp: lets chat
hkouiorp: in clash of code
Ifthel: No need: Private messaging works in this
AntiSquid: hkouiorp few solutions: don't hard code, you need a general answer, don't play clash, it's a waste of time, do the contest https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code
Ifthel: Anyone know how to get CodinGame to use -wall and treat warnings as errors?
Ifthel: For C++, ofc
Q12: Do you mean debug?
Ifthel: Talking about compiler flags. Apparently it's possible to get CodinGame to use -O3 with pragmas, wondering if there's something for compile warnings
Ifthel: Alternatively, I'll just test compile on my local machine
eulerscheZahl: you can force -O3 for your own file. but that won't affect STL, e.g. vector will still be slower than it has to me
eulerscheZahl: *has to be
chucknorris: are you sure eulerscheZahl? even if you put the pragma over the #include <vector> in your file ?
darkhorse64: It works for me
MadKnight: yea eulerscheZahl have u tried putting pragma before vector ?
dbdr: feel to #17, resub is #8 at 5% :D
AntiSquid: i have pragma before vector, bot still seems fast considering it does lots of redundant calculations
dbdr: maybe I was hammered by someone spamming. or there are just small differences in the mid ranks
wlesavo: last one
wlesavo: it feels really close
kovi: 5% doesnt matter
dbdr: sure
dbdr: but winning 8/10 would be quite improbable if you are actually worth #17/23, no?
AntiSquid: and someone was saying ladder doesn't get shuffled
AntiSquid: with heavy RPS element of the game, who would have thought ?
dbdr: it's also the influence of last matches when some people submit constantly and others rarely
WINWINWIN: Crazy hard gold boss in OoC? only 23 in Legend?
Nerchio: it's pretty good :D
eulerscheZahl: no i'm not sure Csipcsirip, just repeating what others said
AntiSquid: WINWINWIN i doubt it's crazy hard also this will stay as a multi for a long time without boss being improved, so better this way
struct: Im not sure how it works
eulerscheZahl: ranking feels random
struct: But I know it isnt true O3
chucknorris: one thing is sure, its much faster if you put the pragma before the std includes
eulerscheZahl: zhmyh almost last for ages, climbed a bit
eulerscheZahl: dropping again now
dbdr: I don't know, I've been moving #8 to #13-ish for a long time. not #3 to #22
eulerscheZahl: it's random, but not THAT random
dbdr: :)
dbdr: imagining a leaderboad with 100 papers, 100 stones and 100 scissors in that order. the ranking would be perfectly stable between the three categories I think :)
dbdr: papers would stay on top because they would nevere play against scissors
Ifthel: chucknorris could it be that CodinGame has includes before your code? It would explain why I'm able to use unordered_map without including it
Ifthel: Would also mean a pragma before the include would be pointless
pb4: lfthul highly improbable
pb4: What are your includes ?
Ifthel: algorithm, iostream, memory, string, vector
wlesavo: WINWINWIN actually around 10, but not the same version, i wonder where would it be placed in legend actually
pb4: only those ?
dbdr: wlesavo you can try :)
dbdr: you have the code
Ifthel: Yep, nothing else. Compiles fine on codingame but I need to include unordered_map when I compile locally
struct: What compiler do you use offline?
struct: locally*
wlesavo: dbdr ok, ill actually submit it
dbdr: :)
Ifthel: llvm (specifically the clang-cl driver)
wlesavo: what day was the legennd?
pb4: lfthel : I'm really curious, can you provide sample code that compiles on cg ?
dbdr: friday evening
Ifthel: Sure, just a sec pb4
eulerscheZahl: keep in mind that CG has different machines to run out code on
Ifthel: Also, with experimentation, it seems that if I don't include <algorithm>, unordered_map is missing
Ifthel: Meaning that codingame does something wacky with algorithm?
dbdr: or uses a different standard version than you?
dbdr: I would hope CG uses the same compilers on all machines
Ifthel: Following compiles fine in codingame:
- include <algorithm>
int main() {std::unordered_map<int, int> foo;}
Ifthel: Fails to compile with llvm clang-cl
Ifthel: (using /std:c++latest on clang-cl)
struct: Ifthel seems strange yeah
dbdr: CG uses g++ 9.2.1 mode C++17
struct: Even on tech.io you need to include it
Ifthel: Possible that MSVC's algorithm lacks unordered_map while the stdlib on codingame has it
Ifthel: In which case the question is which stdlib codingame uses
dbdr: doesn't the C++ standard specify such things?
pb4: wow
pb4: that's weird
Ifthel: It should specify it, but whether the implementation is compliant is another story :)
pb4: g++ locally doesn't compile that sample code
dbdr: are you testing with C++17?
struct: yeah
struct: They must do something
Ifthel: But why?
Ifthel: The plot thickens...
struct: https://tech.io/snippet/LiaBzI1
struct: on tech io I guess the options are different
struct: than on CG
DanTheMan832: Im a bit overwhelmed by the contest... anyone have any tips on where to start
aCat: track your positions
aCat: i mean visited squares
aCat: make AI that goes to any nonvisited square
aCat: if that's not possible then surface
aCat: that's step zero
Ifthel: Start by having your AI not explode, basically
DanTheMan832: thanks
aCat: step one - change that so you choose the square to move into the one with the most available cells
dbdr: Ifthel https://godbolt.org/z/4Tdwg-
dbdr: works outside of CG too
aCat: you will get to next league certainly with the latter, not sure about the former
aCat: in higher league you have to start shooting the opponent and tracking his movements at least in basic
Ifthel: dbdr whoa
aCat: have fun, if any problems - just ask here
dbdr: the -std=c++17 was required
Ifthel: Still won't compile with clang-cl /std:c++17 though
Ifthel: This is going to give me nightmares
pb4: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/99354b1a-5dbc-4d29-9f84-2cb118a23116
shootiz: I'm a bit stuck in the silver league, any ideas on what should I improve guys?
pb4: Looks like it works with gcc9
pb4: and not with gcc8
pb4: on godbolt
Ifthel: Should mention I'm using clang 8.0.1
Ifthel: According to compiler explorer it works in clang 9.0.0
dbdr: wlesavo gold boss ranking #12? almost #10
wlesavo: with quite a few over 50% winrates actually http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/ocean-of-code/wlesavo
wlesavo: so there goes my improvements
Ifthel: Same thing happens with vector. It seems that algorithm now includes the containers library. Mystery solved ig
dbdr: gold boss might win the contest at the end :D
wlesavo: oh, didnt notice its 24 now
dbdr: just remove it now, let people change their bots to optimize against each other, and put it back at the last minute :D
dbdr: k4ng0u grats!
dbdr: second Java in legend
aCat: BTW - how it works if both players got 0hp
aCat: who wins?
wlesavo: draw triggered
k4ng0u: thx. Sill impressed how wlesavo got there in Python and keep so many people in gold
darkhorse64: How did you make it ? Mine avoiddance ? Shoot and evade ?
wlesavo: ok, so the gold boss actually landed around 12 :slight_smile:
Nerchio: some of my turns in java show they take >50 seconds and i don't lose
Nerchio: any ideas?
Nerchio: >50 ms
dbdr: :D
dbdr: there is a small grace period
dbdr: but I think it accumtulates over time
dbdr: so 52ms might work a few times, but not every turn
Nerchio: i sometimes have 70+ ^.-
dbdr: would you prefer to lose? ;)
struct: you probably have something wrong
wlesavo: no, its actually possible to have a little more then 50
struct: but 70?
wlesavo: but not consistently
dbdr: calculate the sum of overtime over the whole game
dbdr: how much is it?
DanTheMan832: guys why is my cursor a yellow flashing rectangle???
DanTheMan832: how do I fix it
dbdr: DanTheMan832 press Insert?
kovi: insert
Nerchio: 4856 ms over 282 turn game i dont count first round
Nerchio: ~34 ms/turn
DanTheMan832: thanks
Nerchio: another game 2506 ms over 144 turns so i had 72 turns which is ~34,8 ms/turn
Nerchio: i found 106 ms turn but
Nerchio: somebody told me java on codinggame sometimes takes longer turns because of garbage collection so maybe they take that into account idk
fasil: hy
eulerscheZahl: Nerchio how are you meansuring? after reading the first line of input?
Nerchio: at the beginning of while(true)
eulerscheZahl: congrats k4ng0u
struct: you must read after first input
eulerscheZahl: start the timer after the input or you stop the opponent too
eulerscheZahl: read after input?
pb4: did Nagrarok improve his AI or did he get pushed in legend and is automatically 13th ?
Nerchio: ok if i changed the timer after reading input its much better
Nerchio: and i was testing it on opponent who has a bot in javascript so if i was taking his turn into account obviously it was long :D
Nerchio: now my average turn is ~1ms longest 35
dbdr: it's also the time taken by the referee
Nagrarok: pb4 I got pushed yesterday, and improved a little bit today too
Nagrarok: but was already 15th after push
Nerchio: so obviously my 30 ms turn is when they silence and i have 1200 agents
Nerchio: should be faster in c++ obviously :P
Nerchio: how hard is it to run the game locally?
wlesavo: ok, so there is no difference in rank between golden boss and my current better and improved code :expressionless:
dbdr: Nerchio honestly the easiest might be the code a mini-referee yourself. the rules are simple
dbdr: especially if you trust your bot to output valid actions and don't need to check that
Nerchio: i am going for a trophy the longest messy code
Nerchio: already 1600 lines
Kh4z: xD
wlesavo: nah, you gonna lose
Nerchio: who's the contender
etzl: I can't understand the gravity tumbler problem I mean it's all ok until the map part it says if number is odd width lines of height and if it's even something else but how many # should i put in each line?
735487: XLP I love you )))) I am in legend now
wlesavo: lol +2
wlesavo: grac
XLP: I push you amurushkin & Valdemar in legend (but not me) :pensive:
735487: maybe you have better chances now without us there
Q12: how to print in javascript without getting to new line? (console.log)
Valdemar: XLP thanks man, it was though legend this time
Good look to join us any time soon
pb4: siman :fire:
DanTheMan832: just to clarify guys does torpedo_cooldown represent the charge
pb4: siman :fire:
pb4: woops sorry
eulerscheZahl: getting crowded in legend :/
DanTheMan832: @eulerscheZahl does torpedo_cooldown represent how much you have charged it
eulerscheZahl: yes
DanTheMan832: thanks
wlesavo: nice XLP
Valdemar: XLP welcome to the legend
XLP: ty :grinning:
kovi: grat
Crashterpiece: is there any good way to get the full output stream to a file? it always stops within the debugging
Nerchio: i think only setting up the game locally can help you there
Nerchio: or just limit your debug info
wlesavo: you probably need smth like flush = true
dbdr: if it ends with ... it means it has been cut because if was too long
NormantasStankevicius: Yesterday I went to sleep and forgot to save my code
NormantasStankevicius: F
NormantasStankevicius: Guys, when you decide where to go (when you floodfill)
NormantasStankevicius: do you calculate every possible direction
NormantasStankevicius: how much can you move
NormantasStankevicius: and compare?
Nerchio: kind of
Nerchio: but my flood fill wastes space atm
NormantasStankevicius: Until a certain point of moves?
NormantasStankevicius: cause I am thinking
Nerchio: you can do floodfill on every move it doesnt take much time
NormantasStankevicius: do I have enought time to compare everything on C#
NormantasStankevicius: well
ZarthaxX: c# is quite fast yes, just 4 directions
NormantasStankevicius: I'll test every possible move
NormantasStankevicius: I mean, every turn I want to calculate
NormantasStankevicius: let say I take left
NormantasStankevicius: and how many turns I can take
NormantasStankevicius: till no more space
ZarthaxX: what?
NormantasStankevicius: AKA, every turn calculate the longest possible path
ZarthaxX: it's really hard to calculate the perfect path to fill the grid
ZarthaxX: nah that's quite insane
NormantasStankevicius: With a bit of recursion
ZarthaxX: it's super big you cant bruteforce it
NormantasStankevicius: I have the idea how, but my issue is speed
NormantasStankevicius: well, I might do it till a certain point
NormantasStankevicius: let's say
NormantasStankevicius: up to 10turns
NormantasStankevicius: or less
ZarthaxX: i do depth 9
ZarthaxX: you can try doing that yes
NormantasStankevicius: for now I will try to do every turn, but scale down
NormantasStankevicius: if speed is my issue
NormantasStankevicius: as there is also the calculation of the enemy
ZarthaxX: you wont get to do all the turns till you filled board
NormantasStankevicius: that eats time
NormantasStankevicius: idk, I will try to prolong my path
NormantasStankevicius: as right now
NormantasStankevicius: it's go up down left right
NormantasStankevicius: and do not go
NormantasStankevicius: if the path there is a 1x1 block deadend
NormantasStankevicius: if I have somewhere else to go
ZarthaxX: ah ok yeah
ZarthaxX: space for improvement
NormantasStankevicius: so for now I will try to find the longest path
NormantasStankevicius: with recursion and just scale down
NormantasStankevicius: to fit for speed
ZarthaxX: sounds good
NormantasStankevicius: it should be also possible, as i heard people almost getting to silver with just pathfinding
DanTheMan832: How do you stop bot from battling
NormantasStankevicius: your or enemy?
DanTheMan832: mine
NormantasStankevicius: what league?
DanTheMan832: wood 1:(
NormantasStankevicius: hmm hmmm
NormantasStankevicius: how do you predict the enemy?
DanTheMan832: I don't yet
DanTheMan832: I only started today
DanTheMan832: I just submitted it but now my bot won't stop battling other peoples
yfprojects: What do you mean by battling?
DanTheMan832: When I click on last battles it shows tons of battles
DanTheMan832: I want it to stop starting new ones
yfprojects: Just submit again
wlesavo: DanTheMan832 it will stop after finishing games that needed to calculate its rank, it shouldnot bother you
DanTheMan832: ok
DanTheMan832: can you use more than one ability in a turn. eg torpedo and sonar
RMuskovets: I tried to write something for the Ocean Code challenge but its somewhat hard and idk what to start from
RMuskovets: can you plz recommend smth?)
yfprojects: yes @DanTheMan832
NormantasStankevicius: Start from making the grid
NormantasStankevicius: of the map
NormantasStankevicius: and a basic move
yfprojects: but you have to use at least one, which doesnt have to be MOVE
aCat: RMuskovets remember visited cells.
And go in the direction you do not repeat position. If there is no such possibility - make surface move
RMuskovets: I mean, I've put down some code that generates a matrix from the map and possible moves list and struggle what to do now
yfprojects: Tracking
aCat: good start
tobk: At least in the lower leages, it does not really matter where you move. Focus on finding out there the enemy is, then attack when you get close.
NormantasStankevicius: ^
NormantasStankevicius: that is what I did
NormantasStankevicius: and still
NormantasStankevicius: basic tracking
NormantasStankevicius: I left wood 100~
NormantasStankevicius: and got to silver 400~
RMuskovets: But I only know the sector where the enemy moves and nothing else
tobk: parse the opponents commands and try to find out as much as you can from that. the good thing is: you can reuse this part no matter what's your actual strategy.
yfprojects: Will your Programm be blocked while opponents turn?
tobk: it's a turn-based game, so yes. you do your turn(s9, then the opponent, then you again, etc.
tobk: *turn(s)
RMuskovets: Can I skip a turn?
RMuskovets: e.g. to gather some more data from my opponent
tobk: not really. if you skip, you SURFACE, which hurts you in many ways. also, why skip? just moving around lets you charge your power-ups
RMuskovets: oh, makes sense
tobk: but it's a good idea not to fire TORPEDOs blindly whenever you can, as those also give away your position (and that of the opponent, *wink*)
tobk: "But I only know the sector where the enemy moves and nothing else" You can know a lot more than that. You see what the enemy did, which direction he moved (and thus where he came from), where he fired a torpedo (and thus where he has to be close to), etc.
yfprojects: If op moves left, you know that he couldnt have started in the leftmost column
Uljahn: or to the right of any surface
wlesavo: another +1
yfprojects: wlesavo do you know a good way to run a thread or process UNTIL it gets notified?
hkouiorp: care to help
wlesavo: yfprojects not really, no
yfprojects: this one hkouiorp
yfprojects: http://www.caretohelp.org/
Uljahn: or just ask Automaton2000
Automaton2000: but if you want to change my code to get a lot of experience
yfprojects: Thats how you are thinking Automaton2000
Automaton2000: but might be a good candidate
yfprojects: maybe
Famout: The more I don't touch my code the better I do o_o since submitting in wood 2, I went to wood 1, then over night went to bronze rank 30, now at rank 3....
yfprojects: :thumbsup:
Famout: My ship doesn't even fire a torp, just evades... Thanks Codin gods?
yfprojects: The gold boss seems to go high as well
eulerscheZahl: those who were close to the boss promoted now
wlesavo: yeah, quite a few today
LuckyJ.: Hi guys,
Do you know how to 'collapse all' functions, methods and classes in CodinGame?
yfprojects: There Emacs or Vim shortcuts
yfprojects: look at SETTINGS
LuckyJ.: Thx!
Nerchio: using silence before putting a mine is so nasty
Counterbalance: LuckyJ. also see https://defkey.com/ace-editor-shortcuts
wlesavo: Nerchio dam, how didnt i think of that one, thx
Nerchio: woops :)
Nerchio: it breaks mine detection pretty much
yfprojects: Can u prevent getting hit by mines through silencing?
Nerchio: i mean you don't move during the enemy turn so hw?
Nerchio: how
wlesavo: im not sure it worth to keep a mine until you silence, but in my bot there even was no such possibility
RMuskovets: my bot finally doesn't move to illegal positions =)
RMuskovets: i'm so happy
RMuskovets: even does SURFACE when needed
yfprojects: How long would it take to narrow down opp positions to about 9 if he silences as soon as possible?
aaronshenhao: Lmao why adblocker says 252 blocks for this page
aaronshenhao: That's the highest I've ever seen it
wlesavo: yfprojects it depends
RMuskovets: i have 0
RMuskovets: aaronshenhao
wlesavo: on lucky sonars or mine triggers at least
wlesavo: without that you can almost never go below 9 i guess
yfprojects: But 18 would be ok, actually. Is that possible?
wlesavo: with spam silence i believe yes, especially if opponent doesnot use sonar and with some preventive surfacings
wlesavo: not really a viable strategy though
yfprojects: Cause Mines dont seem that strong in legend
pb4: they aren't strong because we avoid them
pb4: they don't deal direct damage
wlesavo: kovi https://www.codingame.com/replay/449083226
pb4: however, they deal indirect damage by zoning us out of lots of places
pb4: --> mines are strong
wlesavo: but they restrict movements, and eventually deal some damage
yfprojects: And why dont you avoid opponents?
RMuskovets: should i add torpedo code before submitting bot to "arena"? it behaves like this https://www.codingame.com/replay/449083638 now
dbdr: RMuskovets no need to worry, you can submit and improve it later
RMuskovets: oh, great)
aaronshenhao: Anyone noticed the editor supports multiple cursors o_O
RMuskovets: looks like nearly every bot i've competed with has no torpedo logic )))
AntiSquid: you're in wood league RMuskovets
RMuskovets: yeah, ik
AntiSquid: so only dumb bots there, sorry
RMuskovets: :(
RMuskovets: but at least ive managed to beat them)
yfprojects: like mine, he is just moving upwards
wlesavo: Nerchio turned out this silence -> mine can even make some of the top bots to crush, at least before i didnt notice that
Nerchio: :D
Nerchio: glad to hear that
ZarthaxX: crush or crash?
ZarthaxX: lol
RMuskovets: f*king cpt levine
wlesavo: crash, yeah
AntiSquid: silence->mine as opposed to mine->silence?
wlesavo: y
wlesavo: well not really forcing that yet
yfprojects: pb4 and wlesavo why arent you avoiding opponents aswell?
pb4: ?
ZarthaxX: lol
wlesavo: it involves long term planning, which i dont have
wlesavo: by long i mean >1 turn
yfprojects: :smiley: https://www.codingame.com/replay/449091412
pb4: other players avoid more than you think I do ?
yfprojects: no
yfprojects: You seem to try to elimate causes of death
yfprojects: which were mines and now are opponents
ZarthaxX: you are wood2 and you already analyzed everything?
ZarthaxX: :thinking:
wlesavo: yfprojects its easy to make situation worse trying to avoid opponent, at least without a good reason
DEIZ21: hello everyone
DEIZ21:
I am looking for an eclipse plugin which merge several classes into a single file (removing the packages, public in front of the classes ...) to be able to work correctly locally and synchronize with CG .. can connoisseurs tell me one?
DEIZ21: sorry (google translate :p)
yfprojects: https://github.com/tiramon/CGFileMerge Thats for merging files
yfprojects: But it isnt a plugin
Nerchio: it's so discouraging when you end the day worse than you started :(
ZarthaxX: yeah better to just quit right?
eulerscheZahl: summary of my day
Nerchio: i mean in gold there is 300 places so lucky run can land you high and bad run can run you far ;P
Illedan: Hi
ZarthaxX: hi illo
Illedan: Wazzup?
RMuskovets: Ocean of Code of course)
DEIZ21: yfprojects thx, doest it watch for directory changes?
RMuskovets: oh, great, my bot now checks for all possible torpedo positions
RMuskovets: now to add enemy tracking & firing
DEIZ21: Ilkledan, does your bot uses simulation process, monte carlo, or GA?
Illedan: I'll keep some secrets for now :)
DEIZ21: ok, bu if so, plz try to make a presentation on your code without the eval function, it would be very instructive
DEIZ21: for all codingamers
Illedan: Sure, I'll see what I can do after the contest :)
ZarthaxX: getting top1 illo?
Illedan: I have a big rewrite on the side which I have big hopes for
Illedan: But tomorrow it's back to work and all that :(
Illedan: (still from home though)
DEIZ21: good luck hope u get the first place !
Illedan: Thx, will try
ZarthaxX: u will have time to code anyway :P
Illedan: ^^
idkhow2codee: Is it possible to write bot as real ai(neural network) here?
eulerscheZahl: only if you ship your own framework and fit it into 100k chars
eulerscheZahl: some even did that
Illedan: There are some posts about it on the forum
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/pb4git/Nash-DQN-CSB-Article
idkhow2codee: k thanks I was just curious
tobk: It's weird how random the ranking in Gold seems to be. My bot wanders anywhere between 120th and 180th...
tobk: (at least for that region; in the higher-ups it's probably less random)
ZarthaxX: not really lol
tobk: not weird or not random?
tobk: or in the higher-ups too?
ZarthaxX: it's kind fo random anyway
ZarthaxX: whole contest :P
tobk: so, if the thing runs another month everyone eventually ends up in legend? whoo!
ZarthaxX: i dont think so
ZarthaxX: there is some skill obv but sometimes u cant tell diff between bots
ZarthaxX: like what happened for one to be better than other
ZarthaxX: maybe the opposite happens onanother submit
ZarthaxX: that kind of stuff
k4ng0u: tobk your bot will be particularly good on some kind of maps and bad on others. if you are matched up with ppl doing better than you on your good maps or worse than you on your bad ones it can create a huge uncertainty in your final ranking
eulerscheZahl: and even is you have another month or even longer, most won't take the time. there's another contest starting in early Max
eulerscheZahl: May
eulerscheZahl: my bot is best, when the opponent spawns in a small lake and i'm in the large one. sadly legend bots don't do that anymore :(
ZarthaxX: so u fill nicely
ZarthaxX: lol
k4ng0u: lol
Nerchio: i didn't bother to fix that yet it happens so rarely
Nerchio: i timeoutd gold boss :D
fluxtransistor: I thought @eulerscheZahl was one of the people programming the bots?
fluxtransistor: Or do they just machine learn their own strategy
eulerscheZahl: everyone can program a bot now
tobk: fluxtransistor AFAIK only the Wood bosses are provided by the creators of the game, Bronze and up are selected from among the submissions, so the creator of a game does not necessarily have to end up at the top
Quidome: wow, done my first Rust solution, that was a steep learning curve:)
fluxtransistor: I was a bit confused as I only just began the contest
MadKnight: can u know if enemy lost health from a torpedo or from a mine ?
ZarthaxX: input has enemy health
Quidome: Can also be surface damage
tobk: I think he meant "whether it was a torpedo or a mine"?
Quidome: Nop
tobk: if it's surface damage, you know it from the last orders
Quidome: For that reason i only shoot or trigger :)
Quidome: But, that said, he can also take damage from his own trigger or torpedo
Quidome: :P
tobk: my tracking is pretty good (I think), but still missing a good strategy, i.e. what to do with it
tobk: apart from moving around randomly, avoiding deadends and firing when chances for a hit are good
Quidome: Owning space by laying mines
tobk: sure, particularly in the early game when Idon't know where to torpedo
Nerchio: so torpedo cooldown input returns how much 'energy' you have or?
tobk: also have very basic mine detection, but breaks down at silence (and not sure I want to do the refactoring that would be necessary to change that)
tobk: cooldown == 0 -> can use that action
tobk: kind of confusing that it's opposite to the UI
Nerchio: yea thats why i have my own counter but somehow its failing sometimes i think
Quidome: that info is redundant, you have it without the server telling you
Quidome: I don't use it
Quidome: @tobk, do you use opponent trigger for tracking?
tobk: no, my mine detection is not good enough for that
tobk: I mean, yes, I could still prune away a few possible positions, but again would require quite a bit of a refactoring
Quidome: Brute force kill move?
tobk: que?
Quidome: do all possible options and see if one of themkills the opponent
tobk: ah, no, that not either. might be an idea, thanks
Quidome: in any combination
Quidome: Works pretty well
eulerscheZahl: yeah, you should definitely do it
eulerscheZahl: SURFACE|SILENCE|TORPEDO for higher kill range
eulerscheZahl: and in combination with mine triggering you can even kill the opponent despite not knowing the location
Quidome: Exactly, was nice to do
Quidome: Had this idea from you btw
RMuskovets: hmm... what's the "general" algorithm for tracking enemy?
tobk: that's actually pretty cool. if opp health <= 2, check if he is "in range" and then just hit him...
fluxtransistor: Keep a history of their moves
tobk: so far I just had a general "fight or flee" heuristic
fluxtransistor: And see if they are impossible from the starting locations
eulerscheZahl: i even saw my bot going for the kill with 3HP remaining in combination with mines
tobk: yes, I have move history for basic mine tracking and "relative visited" positions for narrowing down their silence-blur
Quidome: I do the following, for every possible starting move of the opponent do his order. Keep the starting move if possible otherwise throw it away
fluxtransistor: Same here
Quidome: And you can use a lot, don't forget opponent life
Quidome: silence gave me a headache
Quidome: :)
Quidome: furthermore, lookahead
Quidome: well, lot's of things to choose from :D
RMuskovets: Hmm... the bots here in Wood 1 league are mostly dumb but my one is very good at not getting "torpeded"))
RMuskovets: Like in this one: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/449205170
RMuskovets: Can I have a multi-threaded bot? E.g. one thread does pathfinding and the other - everything elese
RMuskovets: else*
Swagboy: I think you can't have more than one thread
pmor: I believe you can, but your bot runs on only 1 core
RMuskovets: Anyway I'm gonna try now)
pmor: context switching and synchronization will make it not optimal
dbdr: eulerscheZahl did you have a broken bot in the previous submit?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: added an explosion twice to my tracker in some conditions
eulerscheZahl: and then couldn't find the opponent anymore
eulerscheZahl: this version has the experimental feature added the way i wanted it. let's see if it's any better
kovi: interesting, multiplte submit from top4 lowered our score from 32-33 to 30
eulerscheZahl: oh, royale joined us
_Royale: eulerscheZahl: gold boss was a nightmare :-D
eulerscheZahl: but you did it, congrats
eulerscheZahl: legend league just feels incomplete without some players
eulerscheZahl: still waiting for Neuman n to join us
kovi: re-curse cough
eulerscheZahl: :D
CedricR: does someone did the ANEO sponsored puzzle I habe a code, and when i excute it i get an Erorr that my value is wrong, but when i check this value on my own it seems right.
Nerchio: 1 submit place 150 another place 60 ...
CedricR: what do you mean?
AntiSquid: it is very random nerchio
AntiSquid: i can get anywhere between 100 and 300 actually :D
CedricR: @AntiSquid is there a support way if i need help?
AntiSquid: what do you mean by support way?
AntiSquid: generally people just ask questions in chat and if someone knows the answer they might help
CedricR: okay
elderlybeginner: is there a good way to copy code into outside storage?
elderlybeginner: from cg to hd or github or any other way?
AntiSquid: i keep it in files on my local machine
AntiSquid: you could have a local repo
elderlybeginner: any way to export all or just open, copy, paste?
AntiSquid: github everyone can see them
AntiSquid: well you could use codingame sync i think
AntiSquid: which means you code locally and then push your code into the IDE
elderlybeginner: I would like to import it from CG to my local or github. Manually that's a lot of work
AntiSquid: check how this guy does it:
https://www.twitch.tv/codingame elderlybeginner or search CG sync, i think that's the name
AntiSquid: just copy paste to local lol
elderlybeginner: well, there are like 30-50 puzzles I completed :)
AntiSquid: ya no other way
AntiSquid: if you want to share your solutions, there's a button on the puzzle once you completed it
elderlybeginner: nah, I'm sharing. But I would like to have them on my local, to look into it with my tools, to make i better and to learn something
AntiSquid: copy paste to local drive :D
elderlybeginner: so manual. OK
Nerchio: i literally jumped 120 with in gold with the same code
Nerchio: 120 places*
str8flows: nice
elderlybeginner: i jump from silver to gold yesterday with the same code
AntiSquid: gold is flooding
Nerchio: gold is the equivalent of elo hell
blasterpoard: there is no elo hell, you're just bad :)
blasterpoard: the key is to not look at rank, keep improving your bot and benchmarking
str8flows: obvious, but its nice to look at rank sometimes
CedricR: does someone did the ANEO sponsored puzzle I habe a code, and when i excute it i get an Erorr that my value is wrong, but when i check this value on my own it seems right.
icecream17: it's km per hour to meters per second
elderlybeginner: check forum, there same issues with rounding
CedricR: i used as anwser 68 km per hour there is no rounding error, when i try it to calculate without the computer i get the answer that i should work
icecream17: which test case
CedricR: test case 5
CedricR: there you have 3 lights with 300m, 1500m and 3000m with 30s, 20s and 10s
CedricR: I choose 68 km/h = 18.75 m/s
CedricR: This would mean i arrive at the first light after 16 seconds, cleary green
wlesavo: lol easy #3 while whole top is resubing
blasterpoard: wlesavo thanks for boosting my rating, btw
CedricR: After 80 seconds at the second light, but if change every 20 s it should be green from the 80th to the 99th second, so green
CedricR: and after 160 sendonds the third light, which also be green with 10s per interval
icecream17: 68km/h = (19 - 1/9)mps
icecream17: At (3040 - (160/9))ms = 160s = green
CedricR: okay, thanks
icecream17: But at 3000 it's red
wlesavo: i spended like couple of hours on aneo, ended up giving up on it, end month later realised i read the statement wrong, and the distances are counting from the start, and not between each other
wlesavo: the funny thing was i still got most of the cases right
wlesavo: and only couple of them were wrong
icecream17: this puzzle seems tedious
TheSkolar: Hello everyone! I'm kinda proud of myself that I got into Gold League 3 days since I started the challenge. Any hints to get even better?
TheSkolar: I feel that at this rank there are no more simple gamechangers to implement...
Ifthel: Maybe improve predicting where the enemy's location is?
Ifthel: Either through probability or better deduction?
TheSkolar: Well, i track almost everything
DEIZ21: even on mine triggerring?
TheSkolar: Yes
Illedan: Do you avoid mines?
DEIZ21: do u continue to track mine triggering after u reset the list of possibles paths?
TheSkolar: Not yet, but I thought about it
DEIZ21: Illedan do u continue to track mine triggering after u reset the list of possibles paths?
blasterpoard: TheSkolar there's a couple of things; f.e. using silence when you detect that opponent could torpedo you in the next turn, torpedoing before moving whenever possible (to charge it again), ...
blasterpoard: get this right and you should be able to get to top gold
Illedan: Yeah
blasterpoard: just don't throw fights
TheSkolar: sure, so i need to track what opponent might know about me to react
TheSkolar: and start avoiding these damn mines
blasterpoard: that's about it
Illedan: Yeah, should be enough for legend
blasterpoard: I got to legend without fighting
Illedan: Fighting
Illedan: ?
TheSkolar: Without fighting? Just mines and opponents' stupidity? ;)
blasterpoard: Illedan the only thing I did in torpedo fights was "fire torpedo if average dmg is > 0.75"
blasterpoard: and silence if he can hit me
Illedan: I have something similar
Illedan: still
Illedan: 1 if before and after the move is sorted :D
blasterpoard: I fixed the the torpedo thing
DanTheMan832: is your code svaed if u submit?
Ifthel: Yes
Ifthel: Also saved if you test it
CedricR: when i want to execute a special print command 5 times and another 3 times after that, how can i do this, without declaring an extra variable, which increase every game loop
Ifthel: As in you want to execute MSG for a number of turns in a row?
Ifthel: Or something like that
blasterpoard: btw is anyone already using mines like this? https://www.codingame.com/replay/448843760
CedricR: yes, in my example i want to move the char 5 times in a row into the south direction (print("S")
Illedan: What is that blasterpoard?
Illedan: What is "like this"?
blasterpoard: Illedan fram 181-187
Illedan: Ye ValGrowth does it
blasterpoard: I'm thinking about turning it on in my leaderboard bot, but I want info about different stuff now
Swagboy: blasterpoard my bot does it sometimes
Swagboy: Maybe not for the good reason tho
Ifthel: CedricR You chould just print out MOVE S [Action] 5 times in a row or something. Best to use a for loop for that, which uses a variable but anything else would be bad practice
Ifthel: Having said that, if this is for a bot, you're better off recalculating what action you want to take on every turn
kovi: nice combo blaster. but illedan could have surface escaped
blasterpoard: kovi ofc; but who has a bot that thinks about that?
DEIZ21: Illedan it seems u dont track opponent torpedo charge (seen in the share of blaster) your bot go near the opponent and didnt notice it ll lose just after
icecream17: surface more and more? what a great idea!!! i need to implement this...
Illedan: Correct DEIZ21. my bot is very stupid at the moment :)
Illedan: And kovi, my bot never surfaces when there is a mine below it :P
kovi: i do eval with surface. not lookahead though
Illedan: I'll just make a bot that wrecks blaster earlier than this..
blasterpoard: Illedan that shouldn't be hard
Illedan: I just need 6 days, 9 hours and 30 min
Illedan: * 10 hours
Illedan: need 1 more round of benchmarks
Illedan: Anyways, Im off. gn
AntiSquid: -9 hours
__KAPPA__: I can beat the wood 1 league bot the majority of the times but when I submit it to the leaderboard it isn't able to get to the top
__KAPPA__: Also when I submit the code the initial ranking seems very strange
rwilson: __KAPPA__ the 'better than the boss' is about your score, not whether you can beat the boss head to head. I suggest you swap your opponent out in the IDE for a few others near the top of your league and see what they are doing that beats your bot. Your score comes from # of wins against others in league, and they all can have slightly different strategies
__KAPPA__: Ok I understand.
blasterpoard: __KAPPA__ I looked at one of your games; I think your problem is that you bot sabotages itself by random movement even against weak opponents, that's why you have trouble climbing the league
__KAPPA__: The bot in this league use a very dumb strategy but my bot is unable to beat it :grimacing:
__KAPPA__: blasterpoard Yes I need to change that
__KAPPA__: I didn't pay much attention to it
Zenoscave: blaster do you just do tree pruning for your fight sim?
blasterpoard: Zenoscave no comment
Zenoscave: damn
Zenoscave: I feel I'm missing something crucial for my bot for legend
Zenoscave: Can't figure it out
__KAPPA__: blasterpoard Against very week bots, the ones that only silence, I don't know how to find them
blasterpoard: __KAPPA__ then your tracking isn't good enough
__KAPPA__: I track precisely every position the enemy bot can be
blasterpoard: top bots remember all possible paths the opponent could have taken, not just the positions where they might end up
__KAPPA__: So I have to keep in mind that enemy bots cannot cross their path. I hadn't thought about that
__KAPPA__: Thanks
blasterpoard: just make sura that you don't timeout, because the number of paths grows exponentially
blasterpoard: each silence can multiply the number of paths by up to 13
__KAPPA__: Ok
__KAPPA__: I just felt very annoyed because I had put a lot of effort in my bot only to see it loose against a very dumb strategy
AntiSquid: how do i know for sure i track all paths? i don't time out and it seems like i track everything :/
Trzcinae: siema
icecream17: 166 possible opponent positions in map with very very few islands.... SILENCE! (you lose)
icecream17: Yes! I finally DONT timeout against this person in 400something place!
Nerchio: 166 positions?
Nerchio: try 1200 agents
icecream17: agents? (im such a noob)
AntiSquid: is the gold boss random? :/
Zenoscave: yes AntiSquid
AntiSquid: wow ....
Zenoscave: exactly
Nerchio: antisquid i saw you on the list while going up and down myself
Nerchio: you looking for legend?
wlesavo:
AntiSquid sorry for that yeah, that submit was with comment on fixed seed
Zenoscave: wlesavo you're the boss?
ssda: I never thought there were island like this -7897354049226771500
rwilson: ssda that's the 2nd map i've seen with isolated sections of water
rwilson: not sure if it happens enough to code something in your starting location selection... maybe eulerscheZahl knows ;)
struct: Its very rare
ssda: I can figure it out.I just did not expect it. too much headache for small problem
alchemsti: Yeah, the dealing with silence, and still trying to get information out, and updating that historical information when new stuff comes in ... that's what's been killing me the last while, and I think what I need to make legendary.
ssda: I did that but I'm still silver
Zenoscave: then you did it wrong
ssda: no I'm sure I did it correctly
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/449318799 amazing!
Astrobytes: lol wtf you testing against me for, my bots fucked mate
icecream17: well, i always timeouted against this other person, but now that i fixed that i timeout against you
Astrobytes: Depends which version you tested against
Zenoscave: probably state explosion icecream17 he silences the turn before you timeout
RavenKZP: logic: code with some bugs in special cases -> 40 in silver
fix bugs -> 167 in silver :D
Zenoscave: put the bugs back ;)
ssda: Zenoscave I'm still figuring out the other stuff how to utilize them to the max + the best way to move around the map
Zenoscave: floodfill and edge following is all I do rn
RavenKZP: looks like bugs are somehow useful :D
Nerchio: zenos what do you mean edge following?
Nerchio: i am using floodfill but sometimes it cuts areas and i lose many moves
Nerchio: would like to prolong my surface in certain times
Zenoscave: if two paths are equally likely chose the one that has less moves next turn
ssda: let me google that floodfill alg of yours
Zenoscave: it doesn't work perfect but it helps
Nerchio: well so its the same as mine
Nerchio: problem is
icecream17: i use the squares next to the squares i could go to, but i flip N and E, and S and W, and I also check the diagonals to see if i can go N (which has 1 escape) but end up at E (which has 3 escape)... and.. oh wow that's really complicated
Nerchio: in open water when you have lets say 150 squares W and 150 squares N
Nerchio: but when you go north you blockade like 30 squares in the corner forever
Nerchio: that sucks
Nerchio: also where is my avatar
Zenoscave: try maybe a higher depth dfs?
AntiSquid: ssda there's a map with 4 big lakes and 1 tile lake in the middle, don't have the seed anymore
icecream17: I wish the seed was more straightforward and that we could make any shape and size islands
icecream17: I would make even second row land, but leave the middle column ocean
icecream17: or maybe every prime would be land....
ssda: AntiSquid ahh thanks for the head up. I will add to the to-do-list
ssda: just want to check. is there a path I can take that will give less info about my location than another?
ssda: I did focused only on the attack side
icecream17: woah. i just had an idea for crystal rush - if you put a line of traps right next to the start.....
Zenoscave: You have to sim your opponents possible paths for you as well
Zenoscave: icecream17 that was done in the contest
icecream17: my ideas are always taken by the past
ssda: lol
Zenoscave: doesn't make it any less of an idea
alchemsti: @ssda, definitely you can choose paths that give less info
ssda: damn I will add it to the think-list
alchemsti: :D I have a long think list too. Well, long implementation list :/
icecream17: My list right now is full of things that will take a week to implement.
alchemsti: That is indeed the problem :/
icecream17: Frame 47 win!? No -1!?
icecream17: MINE S. Next turn: MOVE S. TRIGGER. Get torpedoed right on too.
Nerchio: .
icecream17: How to find a bug: Submit your code and ridiculous things happen: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/449344777
ssda: idk copy that guy to your IDE and rerun your code until it crash
ssda: need sleep see later guys
alchemsti: I crash-failed like this when I sent the same command twice, or tried to do something else illegal. You may want to dump to your command to debug, before sending it to standard out -- I don't think you get to see bad commands via stdout
icecream17: augh! stop being so random, other people
alchemsti: I'm heading to bed too. Next time I think I will try to build replay capability in from the beginning. My stuff is too stateful :/
Nerchio: there is a guy that doesn't care if you silenced
Nerchio: he just shots the position assuming you did silence 0
Nerchio: so annoying :p
MostComplicatedUsername: icecream17 it look like you pause when placing a mine
icecream17: yeah
MostComplicatedUsername: 6 days left... still in wood 1
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/449365058
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/449365914
icecream17: Woah. 449365058 -> 449365914? What a lot of replays
icecream17: wood still... (insert incorrect sadness acknowledgement)
MostComplicatedUsername: :rolling_eyes:
icecream17: I give up on gold... I wish there was a super super simple contest
MostComplicatedUsername: Ikr
MostComplicatedUsername: I mean
MostComplicatedUsername: CSB
MostComplicatedUsername: Nooo I used to be 3900th place now im 4300th
icecream17: 15,954th
MostComplicatedUsername: ???
icecream17: bronze
MostComplicatedUsername: Um ok
icecream17: good night. just discovered "back to the code". pretty cool
Q12: Do you mean debug?
