jlfu10: hello
rwilson: :) Hello jifu10
jlfu10: hihihihi
navin89098909890: h
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eulerscheZahl: Zenoscave most legend players are deterministic
eulerscheZahl: and illedan pushed me down all the way yesterday :(
jlfu10: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/118353558525adbf9c5827ca9ad328df4bb6820
eulerscheZahl: no
jlfu10: ok
ZarthaxX: toad awake already??
aCat: hi, euler what's so eraly ?
aCat: :D
codecodecodecodecodecode: why i can not use SURFACE in Wood 2 league
chucknorris: hi anyone using zobrist hash ?
aCat: hmm, In W2 you should
aCat: remember that comands have to bye separated by | codecodecodecodecodecode
rwilson: chucknorris you suspect zobrist hasihing might help with OOC ? i'm slightly doubtful ....
rwilson: ;) good thought though. some optimizations i've been looking at are KINDA OF in that directinon .. not sure if others have done so
chucknorris: I use it already. but I think I it wrong. I hash everything, visited cell, hp, etc. I'm not sure if the move left, right and move right left should result in the same hash in this case
rwilson: the reasone i'd have slight doubts.. is that a 'position' in OOC isn't quite the same as in something like chess or go .. the position of OOC is not the full state of things...
chucknorris: I keep track of path and mine positions too
eulerscheZahl: why early aCat? 6:30 am when i wrote that. 7am now after breakfast
dbdr: sun is up :)
eulerscheZahl: exactly
aCat: heh
eulerscheZahl: the early toad catches the fly
rwilson: chucknorris ... it does sound like you've taken most of the extra into account... ;) perhaps compatriots in legend league migth be willing to chat with you at some point on it.. ( for me , i'd be doing the same as you roughly if i did .. position, prior moves, current health,etc..
aCat: damn I download AIStar source and try to run it but cannot compile cause of codingame dependancies...;/
dbdr: what's AIStart aCat?
dbdr: AIStar
aCat: the old Magus optimization CG competition
dbdr: some words are hard to type, too close to those hardcoded in the fingers :D
aCat: I want to make some optim puzzle so I needed a background
dbdr: A*Craft?
aCat: damn
aCat: :D
aCat: yep, messed the name
dbdr: np :)
dbdr: I thought it was some kind of meta AI framework
eulerscheZahl: your own optim game? will it be on CG when you are done?
eulerscheZahl: i somehow ended up on alibaba when i searched for AIStar
dbdr: :D
dbdr: aCat's skillful in distracting players by throwing made up names we need to search for
aCat: small exercise for AI students
aCat: that's my strategy ! :D
eulerscheZahl: i give this 5 out of 7 deathstars
aCat: I give configuring SDK 8 out of 7 deathstars
aCat: reimported maven projects, have CG in external libraries
aCat: cannot resolve symbol ...
aCat: jay it's working
aCat: 3rd try on euler's bender puzzle
eulerscheZahl: it was never supposed to be hard to get 100% correctness :(
eulerscheZahl: but congrats on solving it now
eulerscheZahl: i know that some players struggled with it
SabertheLost: Lol, my broken DFS that only moves and uses silence got promted to silver league :)
kovi: bender4 is harder than it seems
eulerscheZahl: space maze is way harder
codecodecodecodecodecode: what MOVE direction POWER for ?
Zenoscave: Power is what ability you charge
Nerchio: aCat
aCat: ke?
Nerchio: why are you so many from university of wroclaw
Nerchio: you have a group or same class?
aCat: we made this contest as a bonus list for AI classes
Q12: How i get the input about nextCheckpointAngle in the game Coders Strike Back ?
Q12: they say in the game that i can use this var but they didnt give me input on him
Q12: can you help me please?
tutubalin: i remember there was a site where i can see graph of my stading in contest
tutubalin: is it still alive? can you give me a link?
yfprojects: Hello
yfprojects: @Q12 In which league?
Q12: Wood 2 League
yfprojects: In which language?
Q12: c#
yfprojects: Line 27
Q12: i dont understand
Q12: Do you mean to this?// Edit this line to output the target position
yfprojects: What about you just send a screenshot or copy-paste your code into chat?!
Q12: Ok
Q12: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/dcee8f03-6877-4f22-a3d2-5ab691333889
Q12: thank you yfprojects
yfprojects: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/015e6e41-5ac0-4b56-9c22-c7f924940247
yfprojects: Thats how it should be in Bronze.
yfprojects: But there shouldn't be that many differences.
AntiSquid: tutubalin i am not sure if you mean Azkellas graph website, or you mean dbdr tools https://dbdr.github.io/cg/
struct: Q12 you still here?
Q12: yes
struct: you figured it out yet?
Q12: You helped me a lot thank you
Q12: yes
struct: Nice, at that league you needed to press reset my code
struct: so it gives you the inputs
Q12: ahh
tutubalin: AntiSquid i don't remember which one, but i could choose contest, my name and see chart of my place
tutubalin: dbdr doesn't load
yfprojects: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/
yfprojects: This one?
Q12: but i stiil dont understand why they didnt give me "thrust". Should they?
yfprojects: dbdr's tool doesn't load for me too.
tutubalin: yfprojects can i see my graph on magusgeek?
tutubalin: i mean not just the current standing, but history of it
dbdr: I think the one with the graph was from a french guy, don't remember the url, but this stopped being updated a few months ago I think
dbdr: eulerscheZahl sent the url yesterday
tutubalin: ok, thanks
tutubalin: but basically what i need is to see the history of my standing.
i submitted a new version of my bot and i forgot to see how previous version performed.
dbdr: tutubalin you might be able to dig the history from https://github.com/dbdr/codingame-leaderboards/blob/master/challenge/ocean-of-code.tsv
dbdr: it's updated once every night
struct: dbd ive taken a look
struct: and is not very simple to create the website and navigate
Nerchio: hey guys
Nerchio: you can't place and trigger a mine in the same turn
Nerchio: means you can't do both actions in the same turn, or it is about that mine you've placed?
YannT: you can't trigger a mine you've just placed
YannT: you can trigger another and put a mine
AntiSquid: how do i better visualize, multiple paths :/
AntiSquid: i mean paths that include silence
AntiSquid: kinda hard to tell i keep track of all / eliminate all
Nerchio: yea it's hard to debug :(
Valdemar: AntiSquid i use pseudographics
Valdemar: right in stderr
Valdemar: It looks like this, '*' mine position, 'x' enemy possible position, '^' island
Valdemar: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5deb3f25-25c0-4827-80ea-cf2620903824
AntiSquid: yes i do something similar, but was wondering about a way to visualize all visited cell paths along with all silences :D
Valdemar: I guess pseudographics is not an option here
blasterpoard: Valdemar that doesn't look too well if mines can be almost everywhere
Valdemar: blasterpoard I use positions where mines were placed instead and print only those with high probability
blasterpoard: Valdemar try this game, aroung frame 105 https://www.codingame.com/replay/448409480
blasterpoard: it should look messy
Valdemar: i cannot play game from ide, but it will print nothing, because all those mines positions is uncertain
YannT: why do you do a turn with just "SURFACE" blasterpoard :p
blasterpoard: YannT I already told you my bot is bad
blasterpoard: it does some things really well and some other things really badly
YannT: just surfacing as an entire turn should maybe not even be considered
blasterpoard: but I'm proud that there's an emergent behavior that makes it fill a rectangle at the beginning of the game
YannT: yes that's good moving :)
Valdemar: you print future movements blasterpoard?
blasterpoard: Valdemar kinda
YannT: I prefer to think of it as the bot screaming
YannT: SWEEEEENNDS
Valdemar: I try to figure out better movement system, it looks like bruteforce doesn't go well
Valdemar: it can reach only depth 4-5
blasterpoard: I like that when it's about to surface, it soemtimes goes "WEWEWE..."
YannT: :D
blasterpoard: I won't comment much on my depth, only that it's more than max message length
blasterpoard: so I only print the first 20
YannT: I'm still not sure how useful that actually is tho
blasterpoard: it's useful in some situations
blasterpoard: and very dependant on how I evaluate the paths
blasterpoard: current eval is basically tron
blasterpoard: with some mine avoidance
Valdemar: do you use some tricks to speedup floodfill calculations?
blasterpoard: Valdemar what floodfill? there is no floodfill
Valdemar: you said about tron eval, it doesn't contains floodfill?
blasterpoard: I have enough depth that I don't care about how many squares are reachable xD
blasterpoard: so I just take the length of the path
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/replay/448415476
-.-
YannT: ahah
blasterpoard: frame 152 is bad as well
Illedan: Maybe, not sure how many possible positions you can be at
Illedan: And you are not deterministic -.-
YannT: probably doesn't know where you are exactly otherwise yeah it's bad
blasterpoard: Illedan 1 position, you hit me with your prevoius torpedo
Illedan: wt
Illedan: f
Illedan: thx
blasterpoard: the legend bots are so bad and people complain about strong gold boss...
Illedan: yeah
Illedan: I know
Illedan: But I guess that will change during the comming week
blasterpoard: it's just a really good game that can keep us busy for a month (thx)
YannT: we all do silly mistakes yeah
YannT: some more than others (me :D )
Illedan: :D
Illedan: I have 1 version on CG and a fully reworked one offline, which doesn't work fully yet. Losing my sanity over modifying code with different styles xD
blasterpoard: I'm writing a combat sim finally, to replace my "if (averageDmg>0.75) shoot()"
YannT: I love it, combat sim
YannT: sounds very starship troopers :D
YannT: ENGAGE COMBAT SIM
YannT: (it shiould shout that in MSG actually)
kovi: on my list, but only achievable when "one vs. one"
YannT: or minmax style
blasterpoard: depends on what kind of sim it is
YannT: take the worst possible outcome based on his different possible paths
blasterpoard: why worst?
YannT: minimax
blasterpoard: the opponent couldn't have known whcih path to choose 20 turns ago to max his chances now
YannT: no but you minmax against all his possible positions
YannT: so you consider the worst one for you
blasterpoard: why would I consider the worst position, if my opponent can't choose it?
blasterpoard: that would be way too pessimistic
YannT: because you don't know where he is, so you've got to assume he's where it's the worst for you out of the possible positions?
blasterpoard: ok, so you can kill your opponent in 9 positions (3x3 square), or you think he's 1 square away from range
blasterpoard: because the last option is worst, you save the torpedo
blasterpoard: and die
blasterpoard: if he's close
blasterpoard: sounds really smart
YannT: good point you probably maybe wanna remove outlyers when considering positions
blasterpoard: nah, you just don't want that kind of minimax
YannT: maybe you're right and that's why I never got that to work :)
YannT: I actually coded it and then trashed it all
YannT: could never get it to work decently
pb4: it *can* work
pb4: tricky though
YannT: didn't manage to get anything good out of it, but I'm sure it's still a good way to go
YannT: just needs someone smarter than me to get an eval that works
Illedan: :thinking:
MatthiasDepuydt: ea
jrke: corona
jrke: have you guys heard about meteorite coming on 29th April,2020 near Earth or May hit Earth
tutubalin: "near Earth" in journalist's slang means "farther than Moon"
Uljahn: and "may hit Earth" means 0.01% probability
dbdr: 0.01% would be huge actually
jrke: do you know dinasour also ended when a virus killing them and a meteorite hitted a earth
jrke: and same at this time corona andf meteorite
jrke: is this end of world?
Uljahn: do you know the contest ends in 7d20h?
jrke: yes
AntiSquid: news always dramatize things
AntiSquid: the headlines will be "we were 1 inch away from disaster"
AntiSquid: jrke so your conclusion is that the ancient advanced civilization from legends were actually dino-people civilizations?
dbdr: 1 (light) second from disaster
jrke: yes
AntiSquid: bet dino people were cool
jrke: dinosours ended in the same situations like now
jrke: as they were suffering from virus
jrke: now its corona
jrke: and a meteorite ended them
jrke: now same which is coming towards earth
Valdemar: why bother with world end in 15 days, when there is contest running which ends in 8 days?
AntiSquid: so true
AntiSquid: better 1st in this life time, don't wait to reincarnate jrke
jrke: ok
AntiSquid: when legend?
eulerscheZahl: it opened on Friday, join whenever you want
jrke: can u tell me a easy bot programming puzzle on codingame except coders strike back
wlesavo: depends on your commitment, there is no easy ones if you really commit to it
wlesavo: and almost every puzzle is easy to reach bronze
blasterpoard: jrke CSB isn't easy; just gold is CSB is the same as bronze in other multis, because it is a tutorial
eulerscheZahl: the descent is easy
jrke: ok
jrke: i already completed it anyother puzzle
kovi: once again i have no idea what helps between top4
Illedan: And I have no idea what is my best code anymore :shrug:
Illedan: Guess it is because of spagetti + randomness
Illedan: Hard to really know unless I start to benchmark a lot
blasterpoard: this will be even worse guesswork than UTG
blasterpoard: I guess in a couple of days everyone will fight near-optimally and we'll wonder about what path to take
jrke: guys just 30 sseconds before there was earthquake in india
Illedan: I'm happy as long as everyone had a great journey :D
jrke: i feel it live
jrke: guys just 30 sseconds before there was earthquake in india
AntiSquid: only here for the CP
jrke: i was in clash of code and same time earthquake
wlesavo: Illedan it was a great first contest for me, not that hard on search algos and not sim really based, so i could actually make it to legend, never said a proper thx for making it to you guys :slight_smile:
kovi: still kudos for have python in top20
jrke: guys any body of you felt earthquake right now
dbdr: the only interpreted language in legend
Nerchio: jrke no we are not in india ;p
AntiSquid: no jrke, but i am a bit far away
jrke: its not confirmed the epicentre
jrke: maybe any other country
AntiSquid: well at least you are well
AntiSquid: any good safe way to iterate over an array and add / remove members, i know weird question but still ...
AntiSquid: i mean vector, not array
blasterpoard: AntiSquid use vectors as little as possible
AntiSquid: storing possibilities on a path split
blasterpoard: the only way kinda-efficient way is to just remember what you want to add/remove and then adding it all at once
struct: But maybe CSB is one of the easiest to reach legend
struct: Oh chat scroll
AntiSquid: ya it is
jrke: epicentre was my district
yfprojects: jrke I think you are overreacting a little bit.
AntiSquid: don't think so, imagine the earthquake was stronger, we wouldn't even know why he went offline
wlesavo: yfprophets
yfprojects: ???
yfprojects: I thought he was okay?
wlesavo: nwm, just though it was funny in context of these meteors talks
yfprojects: Yeah, but these arent my talks :grinning:
wlesavo: well you sure do look like you know smth about it :wink:
yfprojects: probably as much as you, i havent heard about this meteor before jrke told us
yfprojects: https://www.ccn.com/forget-coronavirus-this-earth-destroyer-asteroid-could-kill-you-first/
yfprojects: That's what jrke was talking about
AntiSquid: i read it here first:
https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/asteroid-52768-1998-or2-april-2020-how-to-see
AntiSquid: it says "safely pass earth"
wlesavo: lol, nice poll trump vs meteor
struct: "It will miss by just 0.038 astronomical units."
struct: These articles
struct: That equals over 5 Million kilometers
yfprojects: :confused:
struct: 14 times the distance to the moon
yfprojects: Its special, but not dangerous for us
AntiSquid: i would be surprised if Biden doesn't win this time, he has dementia
eulerscheZahl: i was hoping for bernie :(
yfprojects: AntiSquid was has his dementia to do with him winning?
wlesavo: i guess any one appart from biden would be actually interesting to watch
wlesavo: yfprojects he means that americans like to vote for somebody with mental health problems lately
yfprojects: I see
yfprojects: but dont they prefer the leading one in this discipline?
AntiSquid: hillary wasn't sane either, which is why the country is so divided
AntiSquid: ever worked with dementia patients yfprojects ?
yfprojects: My grandpa had it
AntiSquid: had ?
AntiSquid: my condolences
wlesavo: yfprojects same
Astrobytes: Mine has it. Not easy atm since he's on lockdown for 12 weeks
yfprojects: thank you
yfprojects: alone Astrobytes
yfprojects: ?
Astrobytes: Other than his carers 4 x a day, yep
Astrobytes: I've been talking to him from the garden most days though
AntiSquid: US doesn't have sane presidents, Obama sounded sane, he still went on to carpet bomb other countries
Astrobytes: That *is* sanity for a lto of people, unfortunately.
Astrobytes: *lot
Neostis: hello bro
MadKnight: say hello to your new bro, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: please please don't try to understand the problem with that is
MadKnight: u scared Automaton2000
Automaton2000: if it works, it works
eulerscheZahl: he even bombed himself to the Nobel price for peace
eulerscheZahl: i'm only late by 1h
pb4: siman :fearful:
eulerscheZahl: it's just 3 points :D
eulerscheZahl: well, almost 4 now
pb4: -_-
yupo...: hey
struct: damn
kovi: wow
yupo...: can anyone tell me how to play this game
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: https://discordapp.com/channels/466965651135922206/472807181163429890 watch the streams here yupo...
AntiSquid: it helps
AntiSquid: ah nvm
AntiSquid: wait i meant these streams: https://www.twitch.tv/errichto https://www.twitch.tv/codingame
yupo...: thanks
DanTheMan832: why does no1 talkk in COC chat
AntiSquid: ask in COC chat
DanTheMan832: lul
AntiSquid: why don't you play the contest instead?
AntiSquid: i am sure you will learn a lot more from it than from playing COC
eulerscheZahl: there are some bots in clash of code, when no real players want to join
eulerscheZahl: and these bots never talk (nor publish their solutions after the clash)
AntiSquid: do you iterate over all possible move combinations and pick the best? random search ?
eulerscheZahl: me? no, stupid heuristics
JFB: Small question about OoC Referee. Unfortunatelly I have very slow laptop - and use Python - so my bot is rather slow. I changed TurnMaxTime - and it give me more time in each turn. But I receive java.lang.RuntimeException: Total game duration too long (>30000ms) error
eulerscheZahl: and i'm totally not happy with it
eulerscheZahl: JFB that's due to the codingame SDK
JFB: I understund
eulerscheZahl: there is a check that the bots don't exceed 30s/game (sum of all bots)
eulerscheZahl: so, what's your question then?
eulerscheZahl: how to get rid of it?
JFB: I'm looking in API doc for change of this parametr
tensorflw: I'm new here with some python experience. Is there a way to look at other peoples solutions to learn that way?
eulerscheZahl: reflection be an option. or modify the maven repo and don't import the official one
AntiSquid: after you solved the puzzle you can go to history and there are solutions of others
eulerscheZahl: tensorflw solve a puzzle first. then you have access to solutions in that language
AntiSquid: but only for languages you solved
tensorflw: great thanks
JFB: eulerscheZahl - so it is no function similar to setTurnMaxTime?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: the SDK is meant for deploying games on the website, not for local testing
JFB: OK. Thanx
eulerscheZahl: i cursed about it multiple times too
ZarthaxX: toad u meant stupid heuristics for your ooc bot?
JFB: ZarthaxX - I think that eulerscheZahl think that each heuristic not giving him #1 is stupid ;-)
ZarthaxX: i was gonna say lol
ZarthaxX: he hates his bot a lot
eulerscheZahl: i do
eulerscheZahl: nothing clever in it
ZarthaxX: it got legend with heuristics, let it be
ZarthaxX: it's a good boi
DanTheMan832: what is heuristic?
JFB: a lot of ifs :-)
ZarthaxX: spaghetti amount
wlesavo: my bot would definetly won the stupid heuristic competition
ZarthaxX: lol
JFB: :-)
Counterbalance: JFB if you want to patch the engine, look at engine/core/src/main/java/com/codingame/gameengine/core/GameManager.java around line 546, private void addTurnTime
Counterbalance: https://github.com/CodinGame/codingame-game-engine/blob/master/engine/core/src/main/java/com/codingame/gameengine/core/GameManager.java#L575
JFB: Thank Counterbalance - I will look. Unfortunatelly I do not know Maven - so probably I have first to understund the way Maven works :-)
Counterbalance: you only have to install it, and then in the directory where you checked out the repo you run 'mvn install' - not too hard :)
AntiSquid: wonder if my steadyclock is accurate, it shows 1 ms but i do a lot of calculations O_O
JFB: I understund. But I only install repo with OoC - and Maven get all dependancies. So change in GameManager is very easy - but I'm not sure WHERE is GameManager.java really (probably not on my disk)
Counterbalance: No, you'd have to 'git clone https://github.com/CodinGame/codingame-game-engine.git'
JFB: OK - but where is the place I inform Maven to use my clone - not CodinGame
JFB: ?
JFB: So I have to understund Maven to know how to inform it to use my clone
Counterbalance: you do that by specifing a version number for the dependency in the referee.
Counterbalance: if you 'mvn install' in the engine, it will build and copy the files to ~/.m2/repository/....
JFB: So I can simply change in ~/.m2/repository ?
Counterbalance: Not exactly. Did you build the referee yourself using maven?
JFB: Yes
Counterbalance: ok, in the pom.xml in the referee, there's a dependency for the game engine
Counterbalance: oh even better, near the top there's a <gameengine.version> tag.
Counterbalance: 3.13.0. Change that to master-SNAPSHOT
Counterbalance: maven will then use that version from ~/.m2/repository
JFB: OK - thanks - I will check :-)
Counterbalance: you'll need to apply this patch to the CG game engine for it to build:
Counterbalance: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ede0fad2-d902-43c3-b94e-d81197191043
Counterbalance: Here's the steps for your reference: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8f24d9d6-a0d9-4bb1-b03d-9bd51ba0d8c6
blasterpoard: ..I just managed to optimise my OOC fight sim enough to not timeout, then I looked at its results...
blasterpoard: "SURFACE
SILENCE E 3
SILENCE S 4
TORPEDO 10 10"
ZarthaxX: lol
Illedan: Nice, ninja strat
ZarthaxX: sacrifice bugs for speed
ZarthaxX: :)
Illedan: glad we have charges on each skill and not mana
yfprojects: I found it using Eclipse @Counterbalance and JFB
blasterpoard: I guess the branching factor was a bit too high, that's why it was timing out
Illedan: :D
Illedan: Silence + silence :boom:
JFB: Counterbalance - thank you - now I understund how it works - my clone of gameengine write to ~/.m2 - and my clone of OoC read from ~/.m2 :-) It is logical :-)
Counterbalance: yup!
Zenoscave: so close to legend
Zenoscave: I can taste it
Illedan: Don't do it. Legend is just scary
Zenoscave: but top 20...
MadKnight: but scary...
ZarthaxX: i think you are pretty far zeno
MadKnight: yea fix it
Zenoscave: true like 4 elo below
ZarthaxX: darkhorse was below boss and now he is 26
ZarthaxX: so... yeah lol
Zenoscave: What's this I hear about a fight sim?
darkhorse64: Trying to improve my bot ...
tensorflw: Question for you guys.
i'm doing the "Onboarding" challenge. Does the print statement "shoot" the enemies?
ZarthaxX: darkhorse64 wasnt my point, just that being close to boss doesnt mean you are close
tensorflw: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/19834b69-ee6e-4d9f-9949-4ef048a8de0c
Zenoscave: yes tensorflw
ZarthaxX: i know you are resubmitting
tensorflw: Is that the case for must games?
tensorflw: most*
Zenoscave: all
tensorflw: Thanks!
darkhorse64: Completely true. The gap is very large skillwise
tensorflw: This is one of the coolest ways to polish coding skills. Amazing site.
ZarthaxX: it is
AntiSquid: when gold MadKnight ?
MadKnight: :gold:
MadKnight: Automaton2000 why didn't they add this emoji ?
Automaton2000: i think if you have a little bit
AntiSquid: ya MadKnight you don't have any gold at all
MadKnight: yea i only have the :legend:
solistice: Hi all, I have a small question: I'm making a simulator for a Card Game, and I am now trying to decide if I should use 1 Game State and apply / undo each action, or copy the game state for different branches of the simulation
solistice: I can't really find good information regarding this because I don't know what to search for
solistice: Or is there maybe a third possibility that I'm forgetting?
ZarthaxX: the undo thing
ZarthaxX: may be possible or not
ZarthaxX: depending on what actions do to a gamestate
ZarthaxX: if they make you lose information completely it may be hard to do an undo
solistice: I'm pretty sure I can do the undo, I could track the lost information I'm pretty sure, but I feel like, for minimax with a certain depth this would work, but if I go the routes of other methods, I don't think applying and undoing might be possible at all
tobk: or both undo and occasionally copy. apply/undo in normal game, but make a copy before e.g. doing some monte-carlo-style random playouts for the AI player (if you have one), this way you do not have to undo the entire playout
solistice: and I wanna make sure before I commit to one
solistice: that actually makes a lot of sense, tobk
solistice: it was MCTS indeed that I was thinking of,, undoing everything would be so slow
solistice: I guess I'll have to deep copy each object tho, is there information online about best practices to do this? Maybe data structures to use instead of normal lists?
JFB: Or allocate array of States one time. Nest copy your state to each State in the array (it can be fast). And after this do different changes in each State in the array. It is solution when undo is impossible or very expensive
JFB: Counterbalance - than you one more time - your solution works and more important - I understund it and can now myself change what I want :-)
Counterbalance: You're welcome, JFB! :)
kovi: so random, but somehow now its top5 with yannt
YannT: I made improvements yesterday :)
YannT: it benched well locally but needed a lot of matches to make a difference
YannT: siman clearly has the best bot I think right now... the chain pushing kinda makes him come down sometimes but other than that he's pretty dominant :p
jft63: clearly yes Siman is the best at the moment :)
eulerscheZahl: good news Illedan https://forum.codingame.com/t/languages-update/1574/142
wlesavo: nice nagra
Illedan: :tada:
Illedan: :dance:
Illedan: :rocket:
Illedan: \o/
eulerscheZahl: oh, 23 in legend now
eulerscheZahl: your boss failed wlesavo
Illedan: Fix it!
ZarthaxX: lol only 1 toad
eulerscheZahl: i'm a shark now
ZarthaxX: sharktoad
smeagol: Hi
smeagol: Mad: where's your AI ?
smeagol: Siman: please, I want you AI.
MostComplicatedUsername: I've given up on the contest
MostComplicatedUsername: I still have no way of tracking my opponent unless I accidentally hit them with my torpedo
darkhorse64: Look at Illedan's stream, he gives some hints how to detect your opponent
MostComplicatedUsername: On twitch? Or discord?
darkhorse64: https://www.twitch.tv/codingame
MostComplicatedUsername: Okay thx
darkhorse64: Bear in mind it's just a beginning
AntiSquid: a SharkNado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1qT-uOncmA
AntiSquid: and yes that's movie #6
JFB: Is it real??? Really?
kovi: azert nem vezet olyan siman
AntiSquid: hogy vagy
Astrobytes: Egészségedre!
AntiSquid: i actually know those two words Astrobytes !
Astrobytes: I know the one I posted too!
Astrobytes: Also, Borz
AntiSquid: is that a polish word?
AntiSquid: borsh ?
Astrobytes: No, it's Hungarian for badger
aangairbender: it's ukrainian food xD
Nerchio: barszcz?
AntiSquid: i know some swear words, but won't type them since i don't know the correct spelling :p
AntiSquid: i guess it's that one Nerchio
AntiSquid: tons of polish people in UK
Counterbalance: "You can't place and trigger a mine in the same turn." - does this also apply for 2 different mines?
Nerchio: to the same mine
Counterbalance: thanks
YannT: siman il me déglingue complétement
YannT: wrong chan
JasonTruter: Could I use Dijkstra for pathfinding?
Nerchio: you can use anything you want really
JasonTruter: What kind of graph is the map?
JasonTruter: weighted or unweighted?
pb4: JasonTruter : depends how you want to model it
JasonTruter: I think it would be regarded as weighted since each nodes edges are the same
JasonTruter: and not weighted
Astrobytes: Well, your weights could be perceived threat levels, suspected enemy locations
JasonTruter: Ah true
JasonTruter: I guess that would be more advanced
JasonTruter: Thanks for that information, really mind blowing :)
JasonTruter: Currently learning BFS and unweighted graphs vs Dijkstra weighted
JasonTruter: To try find shortest path to a node, atleast I can get some decent path finding
JasonTruter: Hopefully this should get me to bronze
Turch: Why can't we code in LISP?
Astrobytes: Cool JasonTruter, glad ya learning :) Pathfinding algos defo help on a lot of CG multis (and puzzles)
FrankR: JasonTruter: you may also want to look at the FloydWarshall algorithm. Since the map is fixed, you can precompute all paths in advance
AntiSquid: set up locally Turch
Astrobytes: Turch, because it's not supported on the CG platform
Turch: It was a cheap joke :slight_smile:
Turch: Still learning the ropes of this - it's pretty fun!
AntiSquid: but you can code in lisp if you download the game from the repo
Turch: Interesting
AntiSquid: locally in any language
Nerchio: I swear next competition i am setting up locally if its possible
AntiSquid: you can do it now
Nerchio: its such a pain to test your build on site with small changes
AntiSquid: there's a week left, most contests are 1 week anyway
Nerchio: yea but i am top~70 gold and i am running out of ideas how to improve
AntiSquid: and if you need help / advice to set up locally just ask
AntiSquid: nice rank
Turch: I'm surprised if nobody has exploited bugs yet
Astrobytes: Those kind of bugs were fixed a few weeks ago Turch
Turch: Ah, gotcha, guess it's a race between developers and players in a way
Astrobytes: The devs are also playing ;)
kovi: pb4: at least wait out one submit round
JasonTruter: How would I store all the nodes that were visited in the shortest path once I arrive at the destination node?
pb4: Testing a new feature with huge coeff to see if it seems to work
pb4: Now with a more sensible coefficient to see if it's good
pb4: this one will finish normally :)
kovi: you dont test locally?
pb4: what do you call test locally ?
kovi: huge coeff to see if it does something
pb4: yes
Turch: For Coders Strike Back, do you BOOST for one frame, or can you hold it?
MadKnight: u can't hold it
Turch: Gotcha, thanks. Effect kept happening offscreen for me, so I wasn't certain.
AntiSquid: you fight offscreen you die offscreen !
kovi: pretty balanced
AntiSquid: someone got pushed
pb4: so pb4 > kovi > siman > pb4 ?
kovi: yeah
kovi: and im still not good vs. joli and yannt
pb4: I was good vs yannt
pb4: Not anymore :(
YannT: if you guys ever figure out what makes anyone good or not against someone else, let me know :p
JasonTruter: Realized after everything it was probably better to work with a vector than a map
JasonTruter: now I need to work with entries in the map for iteration
JasonTruter: jeez :expressionless: lesson learnt
YannT: told you :p
JasonTruter: lol was learning :) But had to understand why
pb4: beginner JasonTruter ?
JasonTruter: yes pb4
AntiSquid: lol what's wrong with a map ?
Swagboy: I guess it's with spares positions you need to iter it for just a few cells
Swagboy: But it's a trade-off
Swagboy: ça grimpe doucement :|
Astrobytes: Ce n'est pas anglais Swagboy, ban :P
Swagboy: Haha maldito, lo siento
Astrobytes: hahahaa
alchemsti: Is there a pointer for running it locally? Agreed, it's super-painful trying to iterate on the page
NormantasStankevicius: when you need a double sided Queue
NormantasStankevicius: but C# queue is only one sided
NormantasStankevicius: so you have to add a 900line file
NormantasStankevicius: That supports queus
NormantasStankevicius: wait, is that even allowed?
Nerchio: can i see what was someone's last submit?
Nerchio: when*
Astrobytes: Nerchio hover your mouse over their score in the lb
Nerchio: ty
Astrobytes: np
Nerchio: feels bad when some people didn't touch their bot for 6 days and i spent like 30 hours working on it
Nerchio: and we are in the same spot :D
Astrobytes: Welcome to CG contests :D
Nerchio: but it's my first contest so i don't feel too bad
Rd211: Normantas you can use a linkedlist if cache doesnt bother you
Astrobytes: Top 100 gold first contest is pretty good, you still have a week so just keep at it ;)
Nerchio: yeah i have 2 ideas to implement
Nerchio: scatter shot and poke shot
Nerchio: poke is shoot and run so they can't retaliate and scatter shot is just pick better spots to shoot so i cover more possible spots enemy can be
Astrobytes: Seems sensible
NormantasStankevicius: Rd211 That is what was I thinking
NormantasStankevicius: I reached Silver with relitevely simple path finding algorithm
NormantasStankevicius: and people here were posting flood fill
NormantasStankevicius: so I looked into it
NormantasStankevicius: and my guide was basically saying use queues, but small amount of reasearch said it's similar to linked lists
NormantasStankevicius: well, either way, it's 1am, and I will log off for now. Tomorrow I will implement queue and floodfill I was working on.
Rd211: but you dont need deque for floodfill
NormantasStankevicius: perhaps
NormantasStankevicius: I sat down on my code for an hour
NormantasStankevicius: refactoring a bit
NormantasStankevicius: and working on floodfill
NormantasStankevicius: It's easter and I am tired
Astrobytes: It's just a queue, you'll see tomorrow when you're less tired ;)
NormantasStankevicius: I hope
Astrobytes: get some rest :)
NormantasStankevicius: I got to silver with a pathfinding algo, that doesn't go to 1block dead ends and a just walks up fully north, one block left, fully down and repeat
NormantasStankevicius: and a bit of torpedoes
Nerchio: see you tomorrow guys :D
Astrobytes: gn Nerchio
Astrobytes: NormantasStankevicius go and sleep, you'll be thankful for it tomorrow!
Astrobytes: And keep a notepad by your bed in case you get any ideas
NormantasStankevicius: I won't I will watch some anime
NormantasStankevicius: Don't worry
Astrobytes: Well, whatever relaxes you :)
NormantasStankevicius: I have like 11things I can work on
NormantasStankevicius: Better torpedoes, Improve Silence, add mine deployment, detect enemies from his torpedo shot, from my torpedo shot, implement radars, floodfilling, how to deal with silence (this one I have 0 idea), what is BFS and how it works? improved spawn, better pathfinding, not hit myself with torpedoes
KANEKI: bro wtf
KANEKI: just realized most ppl here are bots
KANEKI: not real ppl
KANEKI: in the clash of code game
KANEKI: flash
NormantasStankevicius: and how Nerchio said, I might add the shoot and run
NormantasStankevicius: yeah
NormantasStankevicius: Kaneki
Scarfield: no bots here right, Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: i am not sure how much time are you using a search algo
KANEKI: nah i just looked at the leaderboard
Astrobytes: NormantasStankevicius torpedo pathing is BFS, you can floodfill with BFS, this could help you pathfind
KANEKI: and sorted by
KANEKI: most clashes
KANEKI: first 20 are all bots
KANEKI: didnt bother to check rest
KANEKI: 12**
Astrobytes: KANEKI in clashes if there is no human opponent, the CG platform adds bots as opponents
KANEKI: oh shit
NormantasStankevicius: yeah, because it would take too long to find a fight
AntiSquid: KANEKI clashes don't do much, just play the contest instead
Astrobytes: That's why they played the most clashes
NormantasStankevicius: but aren't the bots coded by other people? just CG gives the API and allows them?
AntiSquid: also at least playing the contest you have some topic in common with the others in chat
Astrobytes: Not the clash bots no
KANEKI: no wonder they didnt respond
KANEKI: when i called them out
KANEKI: for having so many clashes played
KANEKI: i was wondering how it was even posisble
AntiSquid: give it few years and they will respond after a new upgrade
KANEKI: lol
NormantasStankevicius: I feel clash just improved how fast you can bash out a simple function
Astrobytes: KANEKI I think there's an article about it on the CG blog somewhere
NormantasStankevicius: but for competitive programming
NormantasStankevicius: it doesn't cut
KANEKI: now that i know they're bots
KANEKI: im not addicted anymore
KANEKI: wont be*
AntiSquid: i don't fancy clashes at all, if i wanna take 30 minutes to contemplate on how to create a simple array then i don't want an annoying timer to tell me i am too slow
KANEKI: are u from the UK
KANEKI: nvm u are
AntiSquid: why?! @_@
Astrobytes: KANEKI puzzles, contests and the multis are where it's at imo
KANEKI: because no one says "fancy"
KANEKI: besides people uk ppl
AntiSquid: oh
AntiSquid: that's discrimination
Astrobytes: lol :D
That's on point
KANEKI: whats multis
Astrobytes: 'fancy' in that context at least
AntiSquid: quite sure some american tourists say "fancy"
KANEKI: nah thats in diff context
Ifthel: Fancy that
KANEKI: acc most ppl ik dont use that word
KANEKI: ^ thats uk usage
Astrobytes: Bot programming and optimization games KANEKI, usually past contests
KANEKI: "i dont fancy that"
NormantasStankevicius: Also
AntiSquid: uk suburb jargon
KANEKI: most ppl say
NormantasStankevicius: How is the University of Wroclaw so high?
KANEKI: i dont find that fancy
Ifthel: I've never heard anyone say that
KANEKI: yea cos no one really says fancy
AntiSquid: they have strong competitors / more participants? i have no idea how that rank is calculated NormantasStankevicius
KANEKI: i havent heard that word in a million years
AntiSquid: wow
Ifthel: I'm making it my mission to use fancy as often as possible now
AntiSquid: how was the world a million years ago?
Astrobytes: They live among us AntiSquid
KANEKI: There was no AntiSquid
KANEKI: So life was good
AntiSquid: any squids walking on land?
KANEKI: :))
KANEKI: Yeah, they used to climb trees.
KANEKI: Have families
KANEKI: My best friend then was a squid
KANEKI: anwyays i have a exam thats worth 50% of my final grade tmrw
KANEKI: pce
AntiSquid: funny because i watched some documentary that tried to predict what wild life might evolve into, and it included squids on land and climbing trees
KANEKI: and a big project thats also due (worth 22%)
KANEKI: lmaoo
KANEKI: anwyays pce
AntiSquid: isn't school closed?
Astrobytes: Well good luck KANEKI
KANEKI: Online Exam
KANEKI: Everything is online
AntiSquid: why waste time on clash when you have exam?
KANEKI: lol
AntiSquid: don't you value your time?
KANEKI: just a couple of games
KANEKI: nw, i got google
KANEKI: during the exam
KANEKI: as its online
KANEKI: bye
Astrobytes: Then you will gain nothing from your exam
AntiSquid: do they actually teach anything school ? saying you will use google to pass the exam sounds like the exam actually requires you to study first
AntiSquid: school should focus more on preparing people for life imo :/
Astrobytes: Learning is still important but yes, it should
AntiSquid: of course, learning would be involved
Astrobytes: How are you supposed to apply your 'skills' in the real world with next-to-no knowledge of it?
Astrobytes: Massively overlooked issue
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: it's like you're completely detached from the real world
Astrobytes: Agreed. Same in most uni's too
AntiSquid: what are universities bad too?
Astrobytes: In terms of the detachment thing
AntiSquid: oh right
AntiSquid: for a moment i forgot
AntiSquid: people study there for years and apparently they still need to build up work experience once they're done
Astrobytes: Yes. But can't because they mostly have no experience.
Zenoscave: Any legend OOC players on chat?
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 is a legend, he told us
Astrobytes: "seeking graduate C# dev with 15+ years of FORTRAN experience"
Automaton2000: that doesn't mean that i can learn how to use boost
Zenoscave: whoa
Zenoscave: you got to legend w/o boost huh
AntiSquid: aren't the agencies to blame for those kind of job adverts Astrobytes ? :D
Astrobytes: Yeah mostly AntiSquid :D
AntiSquid: i find the recruitment agencies are filled with terribly stupid and clueless people
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave u are alone
Zenoscave: nuuuuuu
ZarthaxX: legend gates wont let u get it
Zenoscave: wep wep
ZarthaxX: im sorry
ZarthaxX: pew pew
Astrobytes: Oftentimes the HR dept of the companies are also totally misinterpreting the lead's requests too :D
Zenoscave: pew pew ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: mah man zeno
Astrobytes: TardaxX!
ZarthaxX: working hard on that legend
ZarthaxX: Tastro (=?
ZarthaxX: did corona abandon your body already?
Astrobytes: AstroTard
ZarthaxX: lmao
ZarthaxX: i forgot
Astrobytes: Actually just getting better now
ZarthaxX: thanks for the reminder
ZarthaxX: noice
ZarthaxX: and your mom?
Astrobytes: Yup, same
AntiSquid: some hospital staff died, they weren't wearing masks :(
Astrobytes: All good here for now, just need to build strength up again
Astrobytes: All good with you ZarthaxX?
Astrobytes: AntiSquid the PPE situation is ridiculous
AntiSquid: is your polar bear fat still at the healthy ratio ZarthaxX ?
ZarthaxX: ye im gud but uni is being savage with ppl
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid i think so
ZarthaxX: lockdown didnt affect my health :P
Astrobytes: In terms of distancing ZarthaxX? Or are they just shooting everyone who coughs? :P
ZarthaxX: LOL
ZarthaxX: no
ZarthaxX: uni will start tomorrow
ZarthaxX: but they limited the amount of ppl for each subject
ZarthaxX: so they did a random shufle with python they even showedthe code lol
ZarthaxX: and they took out a lot of ppl
Astrobytes: You're still gonna physically be in classrooms?
ZarthaxX: and there are cases where those ppl got taken out of all their submjects
Astrobytes: Why not online?
ZarthaxX: subjects
Ifthel: They showed the code? Any possibility to change your last name?
Astrobytes: Wow, that doesn't see mright
ZarthaxX: so they will lose the csemester
Astrobytes: *seem right
ZarthaxX: so that's the problem
ZarthaxX: we are gonna have virtual classes
Astrobytes: That's fucking crazy
ZarthaxX: but for some reason they limited the # of ppl
ZarthaxX: yeah
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX i wanted to show you a video i saw the other day, but can't find it
AntiSquid: so i show you this one instead:
https://youtu.be/PLkX0Cx_bpw?t=142
AntiSquid: it's about polar bear x grizzly hybrid
ZarthaxX: content
AntiSquid: i mean seriously interesting, polar bears and grizzlies get along alright
ZarthaxX: okey..
AntiSquid: and the hybrids seem slightly smarter than their parents
Uljahn: fancy bears
AntiSquid: is your gf as savage as a grizzly ZarthaxX?
Astrobytes: "When he caught up to the bear, he shot and killed it" :/
AntiSquid: ya, lame
AntiSquid: the other video i saw didn't have any bear killings in it, just hybrids
AntiSquid: something about possible contribution of hybrids to evolution
ZarthaxX: depends squido
ZarthaxX: not with me lol but with others she is .D
Astrobytes: not gonna watch the whole thing but I presume the interbreeding is due to polar bears migrating in search of better living conditions due to climate change
AntiSquid: see ZarthaxX? you'll get smart kids then, she's a keeper
AntiSquid: yes Astrobytes
ZarthaxX: lol i hope
ZarthaxX: we are dumpin the dumb ones
AntiSquid: but the initial video i watched was more about evolution than forced migration
Astrobytes: Forced migration impacts on evolution
AntiSquid: hm it does
AntiSquid: there was a coyote x wolf hybrid bit too
AntiSquid: supposedly they're smarter and eat about anything
Astrobytes: We're still discovering these hybrids
Astrobytes: And they're still appearing
AntiSquid: not if some nutjobs shoot them first
Astrobytes: Yes, indeed
Astrobytes: Shoot me a link if you find the original vid AntiSquid
AntiSquid: sure
Astrobytes: I'm out for tonight, see ya's tomorrow
AntiSquid: gn8
ZarthaxX: cya astro!
Zenoscave: nn
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/448810006 my bot is finally learning to fight... hidden version wins most games under 100 turns (but only because they always spawn close to each other and then fight)
Zenoscave: nice blasterpoard
Zenoscave: do you only sim fights if you know their location?
blasterpoard: Zenoscave if there are <25 locations possible
Zenoscave: that's cool
Zenoscave: MCTS or MM?
Zenoscave: I'd love to read a PM after the contest
PortalBot: learning to fight? what do you use? :p
Zenoscave: nothing yet
Scarfield: nice action combo for the win :muscle:
blasterpoard: oof... neither MCTS nor MM
Zenoscave: I have no sim yet
PortalBot: neural network?
Zenoscave: Might do plain MC the next couple days
blasterpoard: PortalBot no, just fixed depth and pruning
ZarthaxX: so u treat separately fighting and moving blaster? damn
Zenoscave: I suspect many top bots do by now
ZarthaxX: dont get how u sim a fight with many possible spots
blasterpoard: ZarthaxX actually you don't need to sim that much
blasterpoard: you can prune most options at depth 1 as inferior
ZarthaxX: okey
ZarthaxX: but you are fighting against every possible spot?
blasterpoard: yes
ZarthaxX: ah just to manage probabilities
ZarthaxX: of whats best overall
Famout: HA! OK, amused, somehow I got raised a rank in Ocean of code by doing nothing.
Famout: Was in wood 1 after submitting, rank 50. Now in Bronze at rank 36.
Phil-Reck: That's great Famount
Famout: I don't even shoot, I just pathfind.
Famout: Guess I should shoot though and see if I can't reach gold.
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