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eulerscheZahl: good morning

izik1: \o

izik1: tfw bot has an off by 1 error causing it to crash on ocassion

MostComplicatedUsername: euler

MostComplicatedUsername: U in eu?

MostComplicatedUsername: Asia?

MostComplicatedUsername: huh

eulerscheZahl: i'm in germany, why?

CyberLemonade: hey can I get some strategies to start off?

Zenoscave: filter possible possitions don't fire unless you know where they are

CyberLemonade: hmmm

CyberLemonade: wait is there cooldown?

CyberLemonade: or just charge up?

eulerscheZahl: you have to charge

Zenoscave: charge up

CyberLemonade: I see

Zenoscave: but it is 0 when you can fire

CyberLemonade: oh ok thanks

CyberLemonade: when did it start?

eulerscheZahl: 10 days ago

eulerscheZahl: 21 remaining

CyberLemonade: hmmmm

eulerscheZahl: was announced on the same day it started

CyberLemonade: wowow

tempux: anybody is using minimax?

Csipcsirip: I'm trying to implement something like that. for two days now :p

tempux: What language you are using?

Csipcsirip: c++

tempux: good, I am using python and I can't go very deep. I am thinking about switching to c++ too

vector94: how to get only fastest mode in clash of code


vector94: No, I just want to get only fastest mode on clash of code, because I don't like reverse and shortest mode.

Atadolfo: there`s no way

Csipcsirip: yeah you should definitely switch to a faster language :p

izik1: Huh, that's neat

izik1: You can hyper move

izik1: Since you can _totally_ move & silence in the same turn

MadKnight: hihi izik1

MadKnight: izipizik1

Default avatar.png Mikeeyy: In ocean of code how do i know where the islands are in my code

struct: they give you the islands coordinates at the start

struct: on first turn

Zpooks: Even in wood 2 ?

Zpooks: Or do they introduce that later?

struct: on all leagues


struct: that is in c++

Zpooks: Ah, that sure could do with a comment or something

Zpooks: But thanks :)

struct: its default code

Zpooks: Yes, I know, its what i meant

Zpooks: If you just glance over the code its just a for loop reading "something" from input

Zpooks: Thanks a lot!

Default avatar.png Mikeeyy: My loop just out puts the size of the board

Default avatar.png Mikeeyy: Where do the inputs of x's and .'s come in

struct: i was wrong

struct: it gives a liner

struct: line*

struct: of each row

struct: if you then read that line

struct: x is island and . is water

Default avatar.png Mikeeyy: Oh i am dumb

Default avatar.png Mikeeyy: thanks

Default avatar.png anid: Has anyone made a runner arena for ocean of code?

Tunga: Greetings fellas

Zpooks: Greetings

wlesavo: damn, kovi, do you still go with silence N 0 i gotta counter that :slight_smile:

eulerscheZahl: hi

eulerscheZahl: i can still scroll up to my message from this morning, not much chat activity today

darkhorse64: exhausted coders or they believe the contest is over

eulerscheZahl: it's over? i'm 6th! :tada:

Zpooks: Im just getting into this kind of coding since yesterday, but is it a rush to first place or..?

Zpooks: Seeing as the event is over in 20 days.

eulerscheZahl: it's a marathon

eulerscheZahl: i'm sure top players will still improve

Zpooks: Exciting, Im still stuck figuring out the basics in wood 2

wlesavo: have 0 / 32 against kovi lol

wlesavo: i hope that countering silence 0 will help for a while

Zpooks: Cant really use any knowledge in messaging systems or microservices here.. :P

Zpooks: Is Kovi #1?

eulerscheZahl: i have 8/12 vs kovi but only 50% wins vs you wlesavo

eulerscheZahl: kovi is 2nd


pb4: He's crushing me

wlesavo: yeah, mistery to me, he is not using sonar nor clever silence

pb4: Has anyone identified what he does ?

eulerscheZahl: you are even losing against me. a little rock paper scissors

Tunga: I am pretty sure this ANEO Sponsored Puzzle' 1 case is wrong. German Highway!

Tunga: Anyone dare to discuss with me, I am in discord :D

eulerscheZahl: 6022 solvers are wrong and you are right sounds plausible

darkhorse64: + 1

Tunga: When you said like that it sounds awful

Astrobytes: PEB... oh wait, I'm not going down *that* road again...

wlesavo: Astrobytes :grinning:

darkhorse64: Politely said, given the number of peoeple that solved, the error is in your code.

darkhorse64: Sad but true.

Tunga: The thing is, I create a formula for solving the issue, every case but 1 is confirmed by system

darkhorse64: Either your formula has an edge case or your implementation is wrong

Tunga: LOL

Tunga: I solved

Tunga: Edge cases :p

darkhorse64: 6023 people solved it !

Tunga: But, I might said that, edge cases are wrong

RoboStac: are you using floating point calculations?

Tunga: I am sure about it

RoboStac: one of the tests hits an accuracy issue

Tunga: [0-15)

Tunga: [0-15) green [15-30) red light

Tunga: They took the 15 inclusive to green light

Tunga: 15 should be red light

Tunga: [0-15) green [15-30) red light this is true case

Tunga: Instead game is like [0-15] green (15-30) red

RoboStac: so what speed do you think should work?

Tunga: [ <- inclusive ( <- exclusive

Tunga: In german 120 is working

Tunga: But it expect 60

Tunga: I even calculate it myself

RoboStac: at 120 you reach the second light after 90 seconds, just as it goes red

Tunga: It goes exactly in 90 second which is okay?

Tunga: or you mean it is like 90.1

RoboStac: exactly 90, which is when it changes

Tunga: Wow, yes

Tunga: You are right like 6022 people

Tunga: :p

Tunga: Thanks for the explanation, I cant see my errors like always

wlesavo: anti kovi submit played only 2 battles against him, lost both, but overall did pretty ok

wlesavo: im sure it wont be 0/32 anymore :slight_smile:

AntiSquid: isn't valcodi the bigger worry?

Illedan: Is the page slow or is it only me?

AntiSquid: where's the mlch guy ?

eulerscheZahl: nah, we decided to let him win

wlesavo: AntiSquid have reasonable winrate against him

eulerscheZahl: at 19 AntiSquid

AntiSquid: ah i see now he dropped

eulerscheZahl: a new submit

wlesavo: like 4/1 last submit

eulerscheZahl: was around 3 or 4 before i think

AntiSquid: he was jumping up and down

AntiSquid: even 1st place

wlesavo: oh, its 3/2 actually, still ok

wlesavo: basically, i weighted candidates, with high priority to silence 0, many people still use it eventually

wlesavo: oh, and now i realised i implemented wrong :smiley:

icecream17: okay, overnight i stayed up until midnight because i wasnt sleepy

icecream17: but now i have a whole page of ideas

icecream17: and logic....

icecream17: I wonder if I can implement something that sees if someone is silencer, torpedoer, or miner....

icecream17: ugh all of my ideas are hard. and i have athome learning today so yeah

icecream17: benjamin your great plan didn't work

icecream17: 520 moves!? That's the longest game I've ever had!

Default avatar.png yfprojects: How long does it take for your bots to narrow opponent locations down to 5?

eulerscheZahl: heavily depends on the opponent and map

Default avatar.png yfprojects:

Default avatar.png yfprojects: here for example

Default avatar.png yfprojects: @eulerscheZahl

eulerscheZahl: first 2 numbers of my message: me tracking opponent

eulerscheZahl: paths and current cells

eulerscheZahl: last 2 numbers: opponent tracking me

Default avatar.png yfprojects: i see

eulerscheZahl: and when i compare my prediction of the opponent tracker and the mines that my opponent explodes, his tracker seems to be less effective than mine

eulerscheZahl: e.g. frame 188, i can't be there according to my self-tracking

struct: kov i back on top

wlesavo: wow, Nagrarok plays without silence, impressing

Csipcsirip: idk what is more annoying mine spam or silence spam

wlesavo: ok, my antikovi vacine works now without hurting other matchups

kovi: nice

wlesavo: at least it is not 0/32 anymore :slight_smile:

Gajowy: is there a way to see stats for games between two given players?


Magus: (only if you are top 1000, sorry, API limitation)

kovi: meta is on

BenjaminUrquhart: ey promotion

Thunderbolt: Hello guys

Thunderbolt: I have a question

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: say it

Thunderbolt: Is there any free online linux environment out there?

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: what do you mean bu free linux environment?

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: *by

BenjaminUrquhart: why online?

Thunderbolt: I linux providers

BenjaminUrquhart: just boot into it or use a VM

Thunderbolt: I mean *

Thunderbolt: I dont have that much RAM

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: you need linux iso file or what?

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: oh..sorry

BenjaminUrquhart: why do you need a linux env?

eulerscheZahl: the more you clarify, the more mysterious the question becomes

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: but linux is demand less RAM

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: than windows

Thunderbolt: Here is the problem

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: then use other OS

Thunderbolt: I need to setup a big data environment but my PC doesnt have a lot of RAM for that

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: there are some OS lighter than linux

BenjaminUrquhart: "big data environment" any specifics?

BenjaminUrquhart: how much ram do you have

Thunderbolt: Install technologies like HADOOP, HIVE,ZOOKEEPER,KAFKA,SPARK at least

BenjaminUrquhart: and no, you're probably not going to get something for free online

Thunderbolt: I have 8 GB

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: seroisly???

BenjaminUrquhart: I run VMs all the time with that much ram

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: you are kidding right?

Thunderbolt: It's not that I can't run them

Thunderbolt: I have a lot of different versions

BenjaminUrquhart: and?

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: then use multiple os..from the boot

Thunderbolt: But the problem is when launching Hadoop and hive ..

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: don't use vm

BenjaminUrquhart: ^ dual boot

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: yes

Thunderbolt: I can't do dual boot I have asus which doesnt always support linux

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: F**k man

Thunderbolt: I tried it before and it crashed

BenjaminUrquhart: no harm in trying

BenjaminUrquhart: oh

Thunderbolt: Tried it twice with different linux OS

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: hmm..asus don't support dual boot

Thunderbolt: Kali and parrot

Thunderbolt: It does support dual boot but linux no

Thunderbolt: It depends

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: okay..

Thunderbolt: See my problem now

Thunderbolt: XD

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: stucked bro

BenjaminUrquhart: have you tried something other than kali and parrot

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: ubuntu

Uljahn: what about persistent live USB?

Thunderbolt: Ubuntu 1 year ago

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: i know

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: u used ubuntu

Thunderbolt: no i tried 1 year ago and failed XD

Default avatar.png HasanMahmudRimon: btw where are you from?

BenjaminUrquhart: unless you're using some really bleeding edge or obscure hardware linux should at least boot on anything

Thunderbolt: When I run persistent live screen freezes after a while

BenjaminUrquhart: ram issue

BenjaminUrquhart: and not amount

BenjaminUrquhart: I've had that happen to me, turns out I had a bad ram card

Thunderbolt: No Im working fine on windows

Thunderbolt: Playing games and everything

Thunderbolt: Even running hadoop and hive on windows

BenjaminUrquhart: :thinking:

BenjaminUrquhart: cursed computer

Thunderbolt: Probably XD

BenjaminUrquhart: is this a laptop or desktop

Thunderbolt: Yes laptop

Thunderbolt: Asus

eulerscheZahl: starting the indian tech support script now, BenjaminUrquhart?

eulerscheZahl: press the windows key and the letter R as in Romeo

BenjaminUrquhart: R

BenjaminUrquhart: ok so a quick google search shows it's a known issue that newer asus products are incompatible with linux

Thunderbolt: Exactly

eulerscheZahl: and noone at Asus considered that during the design phase?

Thunderbolt: No idea

Thunderbolt: NEwer products are supposed to be better but turned out the opposite for some

BenjaminUrquhart: how old is this laptop

Thunderbolt: XD

Thunderbolt: 1 year old XD

Thunderbolt: Core i7 7th Gen

Thunderbolt: 2 graphic cards intel and Nvidia 920M

Thunderbolt: 8 RAM

Thunderbolt: Good things to have but doesnt support linux XD

BenjaminUrquhart: community nvidia drivers are garbage

BenjaminUrquhart: ok, here's a question I should have asked: define " it doesn't work"

Thunderbolt: When booting linux it doesnt start at all

BenjaminUrquhart: does it recognize the boot disk?

Thunderbolt: I have uefi bios I do that manually

BenjaminUrquhart: so you select the boot disk and then... nothing?

Thunderbolt: Yep

BenjaminUrquhart: just blank screen?

Thunderbolt: Yep

BenjaminUrquhart: but the live disk "works?"

Thunderbolt: It freezes after almost 5 minutes from starting

Thunderbolt: I am really disappointed on this laptop

Thunderbolt: Never gonna buy asus again

Thunderbolt: Thx guys for your time

BenjaminUrquhart: make a persistent live disk and attempt to install the official nvidiad rivers in your 5 minutes

BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl tech support is over

BenjaminUrquhart: you can come back now

eulerscheZahl: nah, busy making my boss act less like a retard

BenjaminUrquhart: sounds good

eulerscheZahl: in theory yes but not successful so far

AntiSquid: there's not enough linux support, is it because there's no money to be made out of it or because they think the linux communities will just sort out their distros themselves?

izik1: Probably both?

izik1: Although, as someone running Arch (I use arch btw) I haven't actually seen any problems with Linux hardware support, some people are still adamant about not supporting software for it though :/

BenjaminUrquhart: I always assume the latter

wlesavo: AntiSquid there are specific distributives that have an ok support for corporative versions. like redhat, or similar

icecream17: what should I do if I have one life? sometimes the opponent also has 1 or 2 lives but sometimes 5

eulerscheZahl: you hide in the cprner and lure him into your mine field

izik1: going for a tie might also be a good strat

wlesavo: it depends, you still can win, but highly unlikely

izik1: if they have 1

wlesavo: eulerscheZahl easy to die due to surfacing i think

icecream17: There's so much logic too. Like if the opponent is 5 away and has 2 lives, you can move, and then shoot to win.

eulerscheZahl: i'm an expert in dying

icecream17: wlesavo then maybe charge up silence to get out of that situation....

wlesavo: especially if the opponent does not want to go to your minefiled

izik1: if they have 5 and you have 1, you should probably improve your early game

wlesavo: izi to say :wink:

izik1: Well, all _they_ have to do is not die before you, which is quite easy for them

icecream17: not easy. i worked on this for so long

icecream17: I have so many ideas and so little time.

Default avatar.png lNitsua: Hey I'm pretty new to C but finally got some things going. Now that I have a decently functioning bot, I was cleaning up the code and was wondering if I needed to delete structs I was done with in C?

ZarthaxX: icecream17 20 DAYS..

AntiSquid: ZarthaxX improve your bot

ZarthaxX: nop

izik1: you only need to `delete` things that you allocated with `new`, if you allocated with `alloc` you need to `free`, and if you didn't allocate it'll just die at the end of the scope INitsua

Default avatar.png lNitsua: ok thanks!

icecream17: hmmm advice?

izik1: Try to avoid entering that top left corner?

icecream17: can't floodfill

izik1: reason?

icecream17: timeout - unknown ms

icecream17: (very very slow)

xarnthehero: Is there a way to challenge friends directly in a battle?

eulerscheZahl: yes, delete the defaultAI first

eulerscheZahl: (or the boss)

eulerscheZahl: you can only fight against players in your league and below, not above

xarnthehero: Ahh cool, thanks euler!

icecream17: So wait, I can play against wood?

eulerscheZahl: yes, scroll down in the opponent selection

izik1: Play against me play against me! :p

izik1: (I'll totally lose)

izik1: I have _way_ more ideas than dev time so far

eulerscheZahl: yes you do

icecream17: 4th in Wood1 almost to bronze!

izik1: without sonar or silence lol

izik1: I really need torp tracking too

izik1: both mine and theirs

eulerscheZahl: i did SILENCE once

eulerscheZahl: but yeah, i found you much faster than you found me

izik1: you also mined once

izik1: going between map edges is a great way to be found

eulerscheZahl: when the last 2 numbers of my message are "1 1", you should be able to tell where I am

izik1: actually, I'm pretty sure you can't _not_ find me

icecream17: izik1 your game against lasted 475 moved


Default avatar.png lNitsua: since you mentioned message, what's the point of it?

izik1: debugging?

icecream17: debug or message

Default avatar.png lNitsua: oh I thought there was a difference between standard message and the debugging one

eulerscheZahl: icecream17 your tracking seems wrong

icecream17: yes

wlesavo: damn, kovi, that single silence 3 helps just enough

eulerscheZahl: by the moment you hit him with the mine, you should always know the exact position ;)

icecream17: Oh yeah! Wait, I didn't put that?

Zenoscave: wlesavo why silence 3?

Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl. Our local butcher was busy serving customers when he backed into his meat slicer; now he’s got a little behind in his work.

icecream17: I keep hearing kovi, whos that?

Zenoscave: ranked #1 right now

Zenoscave: in OOC

ZarthaxX: n1 leaderboard

eulerscheZahl: what's that Zenoscave? more bad puns? :D

wlesavo: Zenoscave well the story is i try to counter kovi, because he is using silence 0, and he is countering my countering by adding single silence 3 at early turns

Zenoscave: Are you detecting static silence lengths? I was wondering if anyone did that

eulerscheZahl: my length is random

Zenoscave: What's that eulerscheZahl? DId I get them from you?

wlesavo: yeah, i tryed to, and then weight my candidates based on taht

Zenoscave: Good Idea

wlesavo: eulerscheZahl mine as well

eulerscheZahl: Zenoscave get what from me?

Zenoscave: the bad pun

wlesavo: well, tracking for silence 0 works, but because of this first one activates a little to slow

dbdr: what's special about silence 0 wlesavo?

wlesavo: dbdr kovi abuses it

BenjaminUrquhart: 0

Nan001: :x::x::x:

dbdr: I mean it's a valid move. what does it mean to abuse it?

wlesavo: dbdr you dont need to calculate much, and cant jump to minefields by mistake

Zenoscave: If you only do silence 0 some bots may ignore that silence with tracking once they detirmine you only silence 0

wlesavo: it is kinda simple and effective

izik1: throw in some silence 1s in the direction you were already going to move :shades:

izik1: :sunglasses:

wlesavo: dbdr i only did that becaause my win rate against kovi was 0/32, but there are surprisingly many people using that

wlesavo: sorry for pinging

dbdr: np

kovi: that is why i referred to meta there is someone who definitely play vs. 0

icecream17: what should i do when there's 1 possibleOpp position but the opponent silences?

kovi: (and no, its not you wlesavo)

icecream17: Also, should I implement (silence 4 if you can)?

eulerscheZahl: then you have up to 17 possible positions now

wlesavo: i mean, prioritizing candidates can be helpfull anyway

wlesavo: wanted to do that for a while, silence 0 is just an obvious task to test

wlesavo: kovi is there many others?

wlesavo: probably switching to silence 1 could help for a while

eulerscheZahl: there is silence 1, silence 2, silence 3 and silence 4

icecream17: For each amount (1, 2, 3, 4) I test the (N S E W) to add positions

wlesavo: i know my silence is broken, will try to fix it together with movement

Illedan: Hi

icecream17: Of course, if the opponent moves N, then silences next move the opponent can't SILENCE S 1, but I haven't implemented that yet

icecream17: I have "PATH" though, which is just a string of opponent moves "NNESWSE... etc"

wlesavo: icecream17 well if you consider opponent's path it wont givethe reduction

icecream17: Yeah, but if the opponent did "NES" the opponent can't silence W, so that's ... wait

icecream17: idea: Counting left, add the totals!

izik1: I have a _lot_ more work tracking silences than I've done

izik1: I have a huge amount of notes

izik1: lol

wlesavo: Illedan i wonder if your test bot would get to gold :slight_smile:

BenjaminUrquhart: icecream17 "TORPEDO -3 4|MOVE E TORPEDO|MSG 1,(-3 -3), XⱭ you murderer"

BenjaminUrquhart: why torpedo out of the map smh

icecream17: yes

izik1: torping negative :thinking:

icecream17: oh


Illedan: wlesavo, my stream bot?

izik1: pretty sure they aren't in the -x plane :p

wlesavo: Illedan no i mean spam silence 0 bot

Illedan: haha

Illedan: Don't think so

wlesavo: it got to silver, soo

Illedan: Nah

Illedan: I pushed my real bot

wlesavo: oh i see

eulerscheZahl: how would your top bot of the first weekend rank now?

izik1: How long has this compo been going so far?

Illedan: I tested on saturday. Ended 30

izik1: A week?

Illedan: 10 days izik1

izik1: oof, I'm really far behind

Illedan: Not really

Illedan: Still a long time left

eulerscheZahl: still a lot of time to go

Illedan: I'm taking very good time now

eulerscheZahl: at the last marathon i missed the first half on purpose

eulerscheZahl: as 4 weeks is a lot

Illedan: Yeah, I'm trying to chill a little

Illedan: To not get borred

eulerscheZahl: let me guess: beer or whiskey?

Illedan: haha

dbdr: Illedan you're bored after finishing " 2,607 additions and 1,622 deletions. " :upside_down:

eulerscheZahl: i know my Illedan

Illedan: It's monday

Illedan: and I have to keep my mind on work stuff too

kovi: dbdr :)

Illedan: haha

Illedan: dbdr

Illedan: That was last week

Illedan: just forgot to update in a few days


Illedan: ^^

Illedan: Yeah, that took some focus last week :P

eulerscheZahl: ah, you committed now

Illedan: But I'm happy I did it

Illedan: As I can sleep in peace now

Illedan: Also a big reason I'm so far behind

struct: damn

kamiathe: yo

kamiathe: i need help in python ^^'

kamiathe: normally, set are sort automaticaly and alphabeticaly

kamiathe: so I make tuple(my_set) coz I need a key which is a set for my dico

kamiathe: but a moment I have two tuple with diférent value but which represents the same set :/

kamiathe: I Dunno why ^^'


kamiathe: my code if someone would help me

icecream17: i don't understand any other language

icecream17: than js

BenjaminUrquhart: kamiathe I don't understand what you mean. 2 tuples refer to the same set? Is that it?

kamiathe: python is even better than js :)

kamiathe: Yes BenjaminUrquhart

eulerscheZahl: that code is French :scream:

kamiathe: I'm frensh sorry :/

BenjaminUrquhart: I can't help right now, I need syntax highlighting for that much code

BenjaminUrquhart: and I don't have a python ide handy rn

kamiathe: if you remove my comment at the end, you'll see 2 identical set but in different order

eulerscheZahl: there is one on you should give that website a try

RoboStac: sets are ordered by insertion order, so converting them to tuple will mean {1, 2} is different to {2,1}

BenjaminUrquhart: wait I missed that

BenjaminUrquhart: "set are sort automaticaly and alphabeticaly" in most cases set means unordered unless specified in the implementation

kamiathe: yes RoboStac but usually, set sort iterable alphabeticaly

BenjaminUrquhart: usually is the key word here

kamiathe: ok thx I'll try to add a sort

kamiathe: okey my pb is solved with a sorted thx

izik1: ohno, the codinggame editor has a different width based off of how many digits the line numbers on screen have

kamiathe: i though set was sort alphabeticaly coz that was realy often the case:/

izik1: I just noticed that

BenjaminUrquhart: my day is ruined izik1 :eyes:

BenjaminUrquhart: why did you say something

BenjaminUrquhart: a

kamiathe: ah well no my code is still buggy

izik1: Because my day was ruined too and you have to join in my suffering, obviously

kamiathe: if anyone can solve my problème, i'll be realy [thanful]*1000000

BenjaminUrquhart: NameError: name 'thanful' is not defined

izik1: OutOfMemoryError

icecream17: YAS! Silver league!


icecream17: So kovi is first... and i'm 362/369

BenjaminUrquhart: yes

BenjaminUrquhart: 362/1000+

BenjaminUrquhart: assuming all participants are active

BenjaminUrquhart: which they aren't

wlesavo: well you can count bronze and wood 1 for sure

BenjaminUrquhart: 362/977

BenjaminUrquhart: well now he's ahead of me so now I have to get around to more strategy

BenjaminUrquhart: also fyi DefaultAI is a joke

eulerscheZahl: of course it is. you are supposed to play againt real users

BenjaminUrquhart: pretty sure most humans would time out given 50ms

IlyasElBani: when does rank get updated ?

eulerscheZahl: pretty sure you don't want to submit, when each battle lasts 30min

eulerscheZahl: which rank? specific game? global rank?

Default avatar.png Ahmed_Mohamed.: hello my friends

IlyasElBani: @euler global rank

Default avatar.png Ahmed_Mohamed.: did you mind if anyone tell me how can i apply xor in c#

Default avatar.png Ahmed_Mohamed.: do

IlyasElBani: in c++ it's the operator ^

IlyasElBani: maybe it's the same in C#?

Default avatar.png Ahmed_Mohamed.: it works .. thanks:heart_eyes:

icecream17: Default AI?

icecream17: (silver) what's default ai?

BenjaminUrquhart: default

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AntiSquid: icecream17

icecream17: premium membership...?

AntiSquid: yes

AntiSquid: no ads is one of the features

icecream17: ?

BenjaminUrquhart: Automaton2000 has a premium membership

Automaton2000: that was the only thing that matters

BenjaminUrquhart: hm

BenjaminUrquhart: exactly

icecream17: Kovi vs me: 6 lives to none.

BenjaminUrquhart: accurate

Default avatar.png Sneffy: anyone available in pm for c++ question (for csb multi)

struct: what is your question Sneffy?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: should we go in pm to not flood the chat ?

AntiSquid: have you heard about ocean of code sneffy?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: yes AntiSquid i'm bronze, but i prefer playing csb for now

AntiSquid: sneffy chat looks dead at the moment, imo you can have your conversation here right now

Default avatar.png Sneffy: okey thanks

Default avatar.png Sneffy: So in csb, i tried to implement sim with collision and it works

Default avatar.png Sneffy: but when i'm searching for my pods

Default avatar.png Sneffy: sometimes they stop doing the race and go crazy in wrong direction

Default avatar.png Sneffy: my score depend on the dist with next cp so it keep decreasing in the search and idk why

Default avatar.png Sneffy: the score keep decreasing *

Default avatar.png Sneffy: like it can't find a better move

struct: The question might help other users

struct: so i guess here its fine

struct: Do they go "crazy" right at the start?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: turn 0 i hardcoded Boost cuz i didn't wanted to handle it in my search

struct: also if your eval is just the distance to next checkpoint is normal that it wont work

Default avatar.png Sneffy: and after they do race

Default avatar.png Sneffy: it's not only that

Default avatar.png Sneffy: checkponit give score too

Default avatar.png Sneffy: they do run great

Default avatar.png Sneffy: but sometimes

Default avatar.png Sneffy: they just leave the race

struct: Do you have a replay?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: suez

Default avatar.png Sneffy: sure*

Default avatar.png Sneffy: let me find one where it bug

Default avatar.png Sneffy: sometimes it don't bug

Default avatar.png Sneffy: doesn't*


BenjaminUrquhart: my silence handling didn't account for explosions correctly

AntiSquid: so does it now correctly divide by zero?

Zenoscave: It would seem so

icecream17: Wow, this person says there 2 possible positions, but my code says "7 possible positions" and "ERROR!!!!"

Zenoscave: which person and replay?

icecream17: kovi

AntiSquid: ya he has maphack

BenjaminUrquhart: icecream17 which number in your msg shows possible positions

Zenoscave: maphack?

Zenoscave: joke?

BenjaminUrquhart: his tracking is too good

BenjaminUrquhart: he uses hacks clearly

Default avatar.png Sneffy: struct: my current code is the orange


icecream17: Mine? 1st number = positions, (coord) = starting position, [coord] = how much you moved

struct: Sneffy do you reset your bestSolution

struct: at the start of the turn?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: Move* best[DEPTH] = { new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH] };

Default avatar.png Sneffy: so i guess yea

struct: something doesnt seem right there

struct: So I assume depth is 5

struct: then you also do new Move[5] ?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: woopsi

Default avatar.png Sneffy: forgot to remove [5]

BenjaminUrquhart: shouldn't it be Move** since it's an array of arrays

AntiSquid: you missed checkpoint 2 and then went to 3 and back to 2 ...

BenjaminUrquhart: or am I bad at C++

Default avatar.png Sneffy: wait this replay doesn't have the bug

Default avatar.png Sneffy: should find another one

Default avatar.png Sneffy:

AntiSquid: well you completely leave the map

Default avatar.png Sneffy: yep

AntiSquid: can you debug the bot to see why it goes where it does?

AntiSquid: my guess would be some x y mix up in there, maybe you use 2 x-es or somesuch

Default avatar.png Sneffy: why some games would have no problem then

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i mean it's weird that it happen only sometimes

struct: both bots run same eval right?

AntiSquid: the other one was being weird too

Default avatar.png Sneffy: no struct

AntiSquid: i didn't see any normal behavior from your games

AntiSquid: maybe you keep adding a distance coordinate somewhere

AntiSquid: just read your code and do your calculations on paper

AntiSquid: 100% sure you don't add stuff properly

icecream17: How should I decide which direction to put my mines? [MINE N, S, E, or W]

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i was trying to do that since hours but i came here because i still have no idea..

AntiSquid: you go through it step by step

AntiSquid: output some cerr << var << endl; in there see what comes out, is it what you expect?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i cerr the score of my pod

AntiSquid: no

Default avatar.png Sneffy: it indeed see him loosing score

AntiSquid: it's debug

AntiSquid: you see what a value was at a given moment

AntiSquid: or whatever you output in there

AntiSquid: it's not the normal output

Default avatar.png Sneffy: yea

AntiSquid: yea it's helpful

emh: I got obsessed with optimizing BFS. want to have fast BFS like pb4. came up with a seemingly smart idea. but haven't tried it out yet. can be double speed I hope. will make every neighbour lookup fast hehe. at expense of indexing

emh: I'm out of licorice tea. started on the plain black tea. and the cherry wine. no mood for programming this evening. so idea will have to wait

emh: the idea is basically to color the game board like a chess board. then neighbours of black are white and vice versa. so put even bits in one location and odd bits in the other and alternate. should halve the amount of bit shifts necessary at least. hope it will work out. maybe even 4 locations. x odd/even * y odd/even. will see

pb4: You're going far emh...

emh: hehe. yes. crazy

izik1: I need to fix my spread algo, it's currently looping bits when I can totally use fancy cpu instructions like `tzcnt` and `lzcnt` to find stuff

karliso: How important is performance for this contest?

kovi: moderate

izik1: I mean, I'm rust and I haven't timed out in the IDE yet, so, probably somewhat, but certainly not impossibly high

kovi: at least for silver

izik1: Probably will get more severe

izik1: Does Rust have a module combiner for codingame yet?

izik1: I swear one existed, but I can't remember what it is

Default avatar.png Sneffy: AntiSquid; i debuged in local and it gives the expected result ..

icecream17: I did a game against myself, bewildering,

izik1: Did you win?

icecream17: Yes, but sometimes I lose

AntiSquid: lol

icecream17: Strangely, I never tie

Default avatar.png Sneffy: if someone is available to review some of my code it would be nice, i'm a bit lost now

icecream17: Explain your code in the chat

icecream17: the important parts

Default avatar.png Sneffy: okey, so i first search a good move for my first pod, using dummies for my 2nd pod and the opp pods then after like 30-40ms is start searching a move for my 2nd pod using my best move for pod 1 and dummies for opp pods

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i start *

Default avatar.png Sneffy: but the thing is that i have a bug that happens sometimes and i can't find it even with debug so i was wondering if someone could help me, because i'm not expert in this

struct: It seems like an hard bug to spot

struct: Your best solution seemed wrong to me, imo its better to be like this

struct: bestsol[2][DEPTH]

struct: so the bestsol[0] = firstpod

struct: and the 1 equals second

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i have best[DEPTH] and best2[DEPTH] i don't think it would cause the bug..

struct: ah ok

struct: whats inside best[DEPTH] ?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: Move

Default avatar.png Sneffy: struct tha contain angle and thurst

Default avatar.png lNitsua: dumb question, but if overuse | will it cause errors?

Default avatar.png lNitsua: like two in a row, or ending with one

BenjaminUrquhart: no

Default avatar.png lNitsua: thanks

BenjaminUrquhart: it'll just warn you in the game summary

struct: Sneffy how do you keep track of bestSolution score?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: int bestS

struct: so you also have bestS2?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: no i do bestS = -999999 between the 2 search

Default avatar.png Sneffy: because i don't need to keep it

struct: So you dont search the both pods simultaneously?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: no

struct: you should, but this should not cause the bug anyways

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i just want to have a simple search that work before going deeper

struct: yes

struct: you still did not add shield right?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: yup

Default avatar.png Sneffy: only {0,100} thurst

Default avatar.png Sneffy: and [-18,-9,0,9,18} angles

struct: -18,0,18 is enough btw

struct: but back to the bug

struct: What does your eval looks like?

struct: Did you read magu s blog?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: checked*X-dist(nextcp)

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i had long time ago

struct: MadKnight you here?

struct: Trying to see if CSB guy is here

Counterbalance: try -dist(curpos, nextcp)/dist(prevcp, nextcp) so that it's always between 0 and 1

Counterbalance: if you have a long dist between 2 checkpoints it might make the score negative if X or checked are too low

Zenoscave: Fix it

Zenoscave: there MK'ed it for you

Default avatar.png Sneffy: chcked is way bigger than max dist

Default avatar.png Sneffy: Coutnerbalance

Default avatar.png Sneffy: Counterbalance *

Counterbalance: checked is nr of checkpoints passed?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: y

Default avatar.png Sneffy: the track of my score is good

Default avatar.png Sneffy: when my pod is running away from the race

Default avatar.png Sneffy: my search is telling me my score is decreeasing

Default avatar.png Sneffy: i just don't know why it can't find a solution that goes in the right direction

struct: whats your depth again?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: 5

Counterbalance: what's X? larger than the largest distance betwen 2 checkpoints?

Default avatar.png Sneffy: yes 50k

icecream17: How should I track the possible positions I could be in, in the point of view of the opponent

BenjaminUrquhart: dump your output into another tracker object

BenjaminUrquhart: for me

BenjaminUrquhart: private Tracker tracker, selfTracker;

icecream17: 1 possible position -> silence -> 15 possible positions???

Counterbalance: 1 + 4*4 =...

icecream17: oh yeah, it's working correctly....

IlyasElBani: when does my rank get updated ?

IlyasElBani: do clashofcode update rankings ?

icecream17: Press "submit"

IlyasElBani: My rank is not changing even after doing 10 clash of code

Counterbalance: it's updated nightly

IlyasElBani: ok! thanks

IlyasElBani: I thought it was live

Astrobytes: Level (XP) updates live, rank (CP) updates nightly

Counterbalance: ahh what a sneaky strategy.. i have an indirect hit, (dist 1), so the opponent bombs themselves too, losing 2 lives, making my bot think it was a direct hit

MSmits: you can make yourself invulnerable to that easily

MSmits: just add all damage sources to a single damage map and all cells that add up to +2 are potential locations

icecream17: Genius idea

Counterbalance: Yeah good idea.. however I also need to take this into account for 1 dmg and 2 torpedoes, by doing union of both torpedo blast ranges

MSmits: my idea takes care of that as well

MSmits: start creating your damage map when your orders are finished, then add the opponent damage to the map when you process his orders

icecream17: Should I keep looking for the mine bug or implement that?

MSmits: which mine bug?

icecream17: Also, what if you torpedo, then the opponent hits itself and then moves?

MSmits: my damagemap moves with the opponent

MSmits: I shift it

MSmits: thats the hard part

Counterbalance: My bits won't count beyond 1 ;)

MSmits: ah yes, that is annoying. I wrote a specific 64 bit map for it

MSmits: 15 damage max on a cell that way

icecream17: wow. also, the mine bug is where I put a mine at (x y), but the mines array gets updated with (other x, other y)

MSmits: i'm not even using mines yet :P

MSmits: just tracking the opponent ones

ZarthaxX: MSmits code lines?

MSmits: 1186

ZarthaxX: wtf

ZarthaxX: how is yours so tiny

MSmits: not much actual logic

ZarthaxX: i have close to 2k and sucks

Default avatar.png JBM: i'm at 395

MSmits: my bot is this:

ZarthaxX: your tracker length is short?

Default avatar.png JBM: i need multiple file support!

MSmits: 1) track enemy

ZarthaxX: JBM wtf

icecream17: "how is yours so tiny"!? i'm at 1008!

ZarthaxX: LOL

MSmits: 2) shoot when i can hit something

MSmits: 3) silence otherwise

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah, well sorry

Default avatar.png JBM: i streamed, so i had to put comments

ZarthaxX: i see MSmits

darkhorse64: You forgot to mention 4) choose move

MSmits: ow right

MSmits: I also still silence in place

MSmits: because obviously, if the opponent doesnt know you do it, it's pretty efficient

MSmits: takes up no extra cells

Counterbalance: no search yet?

MSmits: what search

MSmits: what am I supposed to search?

darkhorse64: MCTS ? :grinning:

Counterbalance: solutions

icecream17: idk

MSmits: to?

Counterbalance: the problem

Default avatar.png JBM: TBF my end-of-stream version is 333

MSmits: which problem?

icecream17: "solutions"? you mean logic or something?

Counterbalance: the problem is to write a perfect bot

icecream17: It must be an awesome idea because Counterbalance isn't saying anything

Counterbalance: the solution is a bot that never loses

Default avatar.png JBM: d'uh

Counterbalance: yeah that's what I thought too, not sure why I had to explain

MSmits: yeah sure... but it took me a lot of time to come up with this tracking code. Did not have much time for other stuff yet. Also took a break

MSmits: today I recorded a YT video

MSmits: took me half a day

Default avatar.png JBM: oh

Default avatar.png JBM: do tell us about it

Default avatar.png JBM: URI plz

MSmits: sure, if you can understand Dutch, by all means

Default avatar.png JBM: not too far removed from german is it?

Default avatar.png JBM: it's like a mix btw german+english, with a nasal accent

Default avatar.png JBM: i can deal with that


Default avatar.png JBM: \o/

MSmits: it's about modelling a virus epidemic

Default avatar.png JBM: appropriate

Astrobytes: yesh shmooo schmnnn stroopwafel

MSmits: lol

Counterbalance: MSmits I didn't mean it that way - just curious about the state of your bot and what it takes to get to the rank your bot is at.. Still muddling away in bronze

Default avatar.png JBM: 7:15

MSmits: i show how to write a model to show how to "flatten the curve" in 7 minutes

Default avatar.png JBM: now how long did the total operation take?

MSmits: Counterbalance I know it's fine :)

MSmits: too long jbm, half a day, because my s'ss are too sharp and i had to find a tool to lower their volume and also to put the video and audio back together. So annoying

icecream17: I figured out the bug

Default avatar.png JBM: love the oh-so-typical obs-style start

icecream17: So now I get to play against.....

icecream17: obs?

MSmits: jbm yes, i didnt cut anything off

Default avatar.png JBM: yup

Default avatar.png JBM: wouldn't have known 2 years ago

MSmits: this video is basically just for my dynamic computer modelling class. Just 21 students, but I tend to just make YT videos public

Scarfield: you can get youtube to auto generate subtitles, and translate them, its of course not perfect, but good enough to understand what is being said :)

Default avatar.png JBM: is that coach7 thingy epidemilogy-specific?

MSmits: not at all

MSmits: you can use it for anything jbm

Default avatar.png JBM: never heard of it :$

darkhorse64: Counterbalance: you need to track your opponent. It's quite difficult. I am debugging my second version

MSmits: it's educational software

Astrobytes: That's actually pretty cool

Default avatar.png JBM: aaah ok

MSmits: coach can also be used for video measurements and lab experiments

Astrobytes: Might be useful for demonstrations when we have kids (or adults) along at some of the learning sessions at the centre

Astrobytes: (the wildlife/conservation centre I work at)


MSmits: I think they sell all over the world

MSmits: but it's a dutch company

Astrobytes: Cool!

Counterbalance: interesting video MSmits, nicely done

MSmits: thanks :)

ZarthaxX: i know smits voice now

ZarthaxX: :O

Astrobytes: MSmits did you use a dedicated de-esser or multiband compressor?

MSmits: haha ZarthaxX, my Dutch voice

Astrobytes: (to reduce the sibilance in your recording)

MSmits: i used the first thing i could find adobe audition

MSmits: and selected deesser effect

Astrobytes: It has de-essing plugins yes

MSmits: it removed the worst of it

MSmits: but you can still hear it in some places

MSmits: I messed around with it

MSmits: couldnt get all of it gone. Not sure if it is my mic or what

Astrobytes: Just wondering. Yeah you'll never get perfect results without mic'ing up pro and sometimes even manually riding the volume on the sibilants

Astrobytes: It's an art

MSmits: ahh ok, so it's a difficult problem

MSmits: I did not make many videos and when i did, it wasnt usually with voice

Astrobytes: It's a general problem with recording vocals

MSmits: I see

Astrobytes: You can do it all manually with EQ and volume automation but de-essers take some of the load off

MSmits: EQ?

MSmits: I suspect you dont mean Everquest

Astrobytes: Sorry, frequency equalizer

MSmits: ah ok

Default avatar.png JBM: Astrobytes: you seem to know about this, what's a layman dscription of the essing problem?

Astrobytes: Reducing the excessive "hiss" associated with vocals containing "ess" or "ss"

Default avatar.png JBM: difference between ess and ss?

Astrobytes: socks and ceiling

Default avatar.png JBM: i've heard about the problem more than i've noticed it, so i'm kind of curious

Default avatar.png JBM: errr

Default avatar.png JBM: which is which

Astrobytes: same thing

Default avatar.png JBM: then again, i reord a lot, but seldom [close] vocals

MSmits: when you say socks you open your mouth and draw in air when you say the s

Astrobytes: just pointing it out, because sometimes people just get the 's' part

MSmits: when you say ceiling you dont

Default avatar.png JBM: not sure i get any of the last 10 lines

MSmits: linessssss

Default avatar.png JBM: there are 2 s's in socks

MSmits: the first s

MSmits: i mean

Default avatar.png JBM: k

Astrobytes: both s's i nsocks will be an issue

Counterbalance: it's essentially loud white noise, right?

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah so it's s the problem

Astrobytes: especially if your de-esser is set wrong (or compression)

Default avatar.png JBM: i kinda never de-ess

Astrobytes: Yes, essentially counterbalance

Default avatar.png JBM: well on instruments who cares

Default avatar.png JBM: but i do choirs every now and then

MSmits: jbm it might depend on your way of speaking

Astrobytes: You don't need to on instruments, you're gonna EQ and compress that stuff in whatever way anyway

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah so back to it, the problem is that? it records too high wrt other phonemes?

Default avatar.png JBM: i don't recall ever EQing

Default avatar.png JBM: compressing yeah

Default avatar.png JBM: comping, yeah

Default avatar.png JBM: but the rest... let's call it a souvenir from the *live*

Default avatar.png JBM: so why is it a problem?

Default avatar.png JBM: from my pseudo-innocent point f view

Astrobytes: yeah, it's like counterbalance said, a white noise rush

Default avatar.png JBM: if it's loud in the input, it should be loud in the output

Default avatar.png JBM: if it's part of speech, why remove it?

Astrobytes: No, it's excessive high freq

Default avatar.png JBM: who defines it as "Excessive"?

Astrobytes: Your ears when it goes SSSSSS

icecream17: I won against default

Default avatar.png JBM: recording tends to cop at 20k anyway, right?

Default avatar.png JBM: *crop

Astrobytes: Depends

Default avatar.png JBM: (yes, but you don't want to go into that?)

Default avatar.png JBM: wrt essing

MSmits: my s-es were extreme, it was like someone doing a high pitched whistle

Astrobytes: You can record above that, whether you hear it or not is another story. You should usually filter that out

Default avatar.png JBM: lest you get LF aliasing

MSmits: anything above 3k will already sound very high pitched

Default avatar.png JBM: i know my theory

Default avatar.png JBM: but i mean

Default avatar.png JBM: essing was a thing before we even started to record above 44k

Astrobytes: You must also be aware of the plosive pop problem with vocal recording right?

Default avatar.png JBM: that's why i said let's not go into that

Default avatar.png JBM: plosives yeah

MSmits: plosive plop?

Default avatar.png JBM: got a filter on my mic

Default avatar.png JBM: well the ones two streams ago anyway

Default avatar.png JBM: but the pop makes sense to me

Astrobytes: That will also reduce sibilance to a degree

Default avatar.png JBM: essing not so much

Counterbalance: Sally sells seashells by the seashore

Astrobytes: ^

MSmits: Sassy Sally

Default avatar.png JBM: how about sissi?

Astrobytes: Same. Some people will record this and it'll be fine, give them a different mic it might be a different story.

Counterbalance: There was a comedy show with a guy whistling the 'S' in Susan all the time, for the name, but it was funny

Astrobytes: Some people given a good mic, will also still record the same violent sounding sibilance

Default avatar.png JBM: oh dear

Default avatar.png JBM: i was on the sibilant pages

Counterbalance: btw can you reach silver if you only use torpedo?

MSmits: I did

Counterbalance: k

Astrobytes: I got silver without

Default avatar.png JBM: and got to producing a dual [translating time]

MSmits: Counterbalance even worse, I torpedoed every cell I could find where a possible opponent was

MSmits: even if there were 100 such cells

Default avatar.png JBM: dear me wp isn't shaped the same on both sides i wont make it

Default avatar.png JBM: a dual ss + sh sound

Counterbalance: I keep quiet until there's only 25 or less possible locations

Astrobytes: Yeah the translation might be off. But all you need to know is "hiss"

Default avatar.png JBM: yeah i'll try to look for it in my next recordings

Astrobytes: iirc yo udon't have an issue in your streams

Astrobytes: *you

Default avatar.png JBM: different mic on the last 2 or 3

Default avatar.png JBM: (cheaper one)

Default avatar.png JBM: (easier setup /o\ )

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png JBM: well i've had a pretty bad time with the very first on OOC

Default avatar.png JBM: like a very ugly time

Default avatar.png JBM: for different reasons than audio

Astrobytes: Ah yeah, the fail-stream

Default avatar.png JBM: but that one had top-notch audio ^^'

Astrobytes: Haha, you can't have it al lright

Astrobytes: *all right

Default avatar.png JBM: computers hate me

Astrobytes: Do you have a studio for your music stuff JBM?

Default avatar.png JBM: what do you call a studio

Default avatar.png JBM: you mean glass-walled audio-proofed recording chambers ?

Astrobytes: No no, just a home setup

Default avatar.png JBM: mmm

Default avatar.png JBM: gotta studio mic, stand, pop, AI (err, audio itf, acronym collision around here) and MIDI kbd

Astrobytes: I'm not doing much in the past 2 years but here's what I used to have all set up


Default avatar.png JBM: wouldn't have the use for most of it, but still makes my eyes water ^^

elderlybeginner: contest - is there a way to recognize if the opponent was hit by my torpedo or by his own?

Astrobytes: All packed up in spare room at the minute sadly JBM

MSmits: no, record the damage done to the cells that were hit

MSmits: if the opponent life lost doesnt match to these cells, then he's not there

MSmits: be sure to incorporate movement correctly

MSmits: the sub might move between damage sources

Default avatar.png JBM: you'ee get back to it Astrobytes

Default avatar.png JBM: err

Default avatar.png JBM: 'll

Default avatar.png JBM: what a weird typo

Astrobytes: hehe French keyboard

ZarthaxX: Astrobytes i want you to know you are the only person that breaks my tracker

Default avatar.png JBM: if only

elderlybeginner: that's a bit of checking to connect damage with exact opponent position

Default avatar.png JBM: but nope, this is work-rig qwerty

Astrobytes: Awesome ZarthaxX, I aim to please!

ZarthaxX: hate u :P

Astrobytes: And yeah I will JBM. I've only got my stringed instruments on the go right now and haven't even played much this year.

Default avatar.png JBM: too much CG

Astrobytes: Nah, lots of life stuff. Stifling the music side of me a bit. I'll be back on it soon enough.

MSmits: so many guitars

MSmits: and guitar-like things

MSmits: serious stuff

Astrobytes: lol, 2 guitars, a bass guitar, a 5-string banjo and a mandolin in the case

MSmits: thats what I said :P

MSmits: it's impressive

MSmits: I've never learned an instrument

Default avatar.png JBM: you can speak dutch

Default avatar.png JBM: talk about an instrument

Astrobytes: hahaha! Only do it if you want to. Or learn Swedish

MSmits: you might like this guy:

ZarthaxX: Astrobytes do you play all those instruments?!?

Astrobytes: MSmits Hahaha this guy's got it down!

MSmits: yeah, very famous guitar player

MSmits: my parents listened to him a lot when I was young

Astrobytes: ZarthaxX yeah, my bass skills are not great tho

Astrobytes: Totally didn't know this guy MSmits, thanks

MSmits: np, hf. Going to bed

Counterbalance: nn

Astrobytes: gn man

ZarthaxX: Astrobytes wow man what a dude

ZarthaxX: cya smito

ZarthaxX: beast astro

Astrobytes: I have diverse interests. Never bored if you're always into something right? :D

ZarthaxX: correct

KareemTheDream: sup

KareemTheDream: you guys

icecream17: Sigh. Losing all of the first 10 battles again

icecream17: There's been this huge bug this whole time!

icecream17: resubmitting... I actually won 3/10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

icecream17: I have so much code I scroll up and down.... there should be a better way

LakenCodes: what up everython

izik1: Getting my code into a state where it's nice and bundled

BenjaminUrquhart: ok, I have a new strategy I want to use but I don't feel like rewriting the logic I have

BenjaminUrquhart: send help

izik1: I can send rubber duck?

izik1: Bleh, I can't think of a nice way to draw the diamond from torps

izik1: Since I have to limit it

izik1: I want to take advantage of my bitmap

izik1: but it's kinda hard to do that here

izik1: I could 0 queue bfs?

izik1: yeah, I think I cna

icecream17: benjamin, what help do you need

izik1: I have spent a lot of time looking at ascii images, and have concluded that I can indeed 0 queue paint this by using layers, the only problem is properly modeling it