eulerscheZahl: good morning
izik1: \o
izik1: tfw bot has an off by 1 error causing it to crash on ocassion
MostComplicatedUsername: euler
MostComplicatedUsername: U in eu?
MostComplicatedUsername: Asia?
MostComplicatedUsername: huh
eulerscheZahl: i'm in germany, why?
CyberLemonade: hey can I get some strategies to start off?
Zenoscave: filter possible possitions don't fire unless you know where they are
CyberLemonade: hmmm
CyberLemonade: wait is there cooldown?
CyberLemonade: or just charge up?
eulerscheZahl: you have to charge
Zenoscave: charge up
CyberLemonade: I see
Zenoscave: but it is 0 when you can fire
CyberLemonade: oh ok thanks
CyberLemonade: when did it start?
eulerscheZahl: 10 days ago
eulerscheZahl: 21 remaining
CyberLemonade: hmmmm
eulerscheZahl: was announced on the same day it started
CyberLemonade: wowow
tempux: anybody is using minimax?
Csipcsirip: I'm trying to implement something like that. for two days now :p
tempux: What language you are using?
Csipcsirip: c++
tempux: good, I am using python and I can't go very deep. I am thinking about switching to c++ too
vector94: how to get only fastest mode in clash of code
Thamminana: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/11695875e1166219ae7cdcdffef2d8b5cf1a3ae
vector94: No, I just want to get only fastest mode on clash of code, because I don't like reverse and shortest mode.
Atadolfo: there`s no way
Csipcsirip: yeah you should definitely switch to a faster language :p
izik1: Huh, that's neat
izik1: You can hyper move
izik1: Since you can _totally_ move & silence in the same turn
MadKnight: hihi izik1
MadKnight: izipizik1
Mikeeyy: In ocean of code how do i know where the islands are in my code
struct: they give you the islands coordinates at the start
struct: on first turn
Zpooks: Even in wood 2 ?
Zpooks: Or do they introduce that later?
struct: on all leagues
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/52121166-5faf-4351-bb44-70d10b794722
struct: that is in c++
Zpooks: Ah, that sure could do with a comment or something
Zpooks: But thanks :)
struct: its default code
Zpooks: Yes, I know, its what i meant
Zpooks: If you just glance over the code its just a for loop reading "something" from input
Zpooks: Thanks a lot!
Mikeeyy: My loop just out puts the size of the board
Mikeeyy: Where do the inputs of x's and .'s come in
struct: i was wrong
struct: it gives a liner
struct: line*
struct: of each row
struct: if you then read that line
struct: x is island and . is water
Mikeeyy: Oh i am dumb
Mikeeyy: thanks
anid: Has anyone made a runner arena for ocean of code?
Tunga: Greetings fellas
Zpooks: Greetings
wlesavo: damn, kovi, do you still go with silence N 0 i gotta counter that :slight_smile:
eulerscheZahl: hi
eulerscheZahl: i can still scroll up to my message from this morning, not much chat activity today
darkhorse64: exhausted coders or they believe the contest is over
eulerscheZahl: it's over? i'm 6th! :tada:
Zpooks: Im just getting into this kind of coding since yesterday, but is it a rush to first place or..?
Zpooks: Seeing as the event is over in 20 days.
eulerscheZahl: it's a marathon
eulerscheZahl: i'm sure top players will still improve
Zpooks: Exciting, Im still stuck figuring out the basics in wood 2
wlesavo: have 0 / 32 against kovi lol
wlesavo: i hope that countering silence 0 will help for a while
Zpooks: Cant really use any knowledge in messaging systems or microservices here.. :P
Zpooks: Is Kovi #1?
eulerscheZahl: i have 8/12 vs kovi but only 50% wins vs you wlesavo
eulerscheZahl: kovi is 2nd
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/leaderboard
pb4: He's crushing me
wlesavo: yeah, mistery to me, he is not using sonar nor clever silence
pb4: Has anyone identified what he does ?
eulerscheZahl: you are even losing against me. a little rock paper scissors
Tunga: I am pretty sure this ANEO Sponsored Puzzle' 1 case is wrong. German Highway!
Tunga: Anyone dare to discuss with me, I am in discord :D
eulerscheZahl: 6022 solvers are wrong and you are right
sounds plausible
darkhorse64: + 1
Tunga: When you said like that it sounds awful
Astrobytes: PEB... oh wait, I'm not going down *that* road again...
wlesavo: Astrobytes :grinning:
darkhorse64: Politely said, given the number of peoeple that solved, the error is in your code.
darkhorse64: Sad but true.
Tunga: The thing is, I create a formula for solving the issue, every case but 1 is confirmed by system
darkhorse64: Either your formula has an edge case or your implementation is wrong
Tunga: LOL
Tunga: I solved
Tunga: Edge cases :p
darkhorse64: 6023 people solved it !
Tunga: But, I might said that, edge cases are wrong
RoboStac: are you using floating point calculations?
Tunga: I am sure about it
RoboStac: one of the tests hits an accuracy issue
Tunga: [0-15)
Tunga: [0-15) green
[15-30) red light
Tunga: They took the 15 inclusive to green light
Tunga: 15 should be red light
Tunga:
[0-15) green
[15-30) red light this is true case
Tunga: Instead game is like
[0-15] green (15-30) red
RoboStac: so what speed do you think should work?
Tunga: [ <- inclusive ( <- exclusive
Tunga: In german 120 is working
Tunga: But it expect 60
Tunga: I even calculate it myself
RoboStac: at 120 you reach the second light after 90 seconds, just as it goes red
Tunga: It goes exactly in 90 second which is okay?
Tunga: or you mean it is like 90.1
RoboStac: exactly 90, which is when it changes
Tunga: Wow, yes
Tunga: You are right like 6022 people
Tunga: :p
Tunga: Thanks for the explanation, I cant see my errors like always
wlesavo: anti kovi submit played only 2 battles against him, lost both, but overall did pretty ok
wlesavo: im sure it wont be 0/32 anymore :slight_smile:
AntiSquid: isn't valcodi the bigger worry?
Illedan: Is the page slow or is it only me?
AntiSquid: where's the mlch guy ?
eulerscheZahl: nah, we decided to let him win
wlesavo: AntiSquid have reasonable winrate against him
eulerscheZahl: at 19 AntiSquid
AntiSquid: ah i see now he dropped
eulerscheZahl: a new submit
wlesavo: like 4/1 last submit
eulerscheZahl: was around 3 or 4 before i think
AntiSquid: he was jumping up and down
AntiSquid: even 1st place
wlesavo: oh, its 3/2 actually, still ok
wlesavo: basically, i weighted candidates, with high priority to silence 0, many people still use it eventually
wlesavo: oh, and now i realised i implemented wrong :smiley:
icecream17: okay, overnight i stayed up until midnight because i wasnt sleepy
icecream17: but now i have a whole page of ideas
icecream17: and logic....
icecream17: I wonder if I can implement something that sees if someone is silencer, torpedoer, or miner....
icecream17: ugh all of my ideas are hard. and i have athome learning today so yeah
icecream17: benjamin your great plan didn't work
icecream17: 520 moves!? That's the longest game I've ever had!
yfprojects: How long does it take for your bots to narrow opponent locations down to 5?
eulerscheZahl: heavily depends on the opponent and map
yfprojects: https://www.codingame.com/replay/443770308
yfprojects: here for example
yfprojects: @eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: first 2 numbers of my message: me tracking opponent
eulerscheZahl: paths and current cells
eulerscheZahl: last 2 numbers: opponent tracking me
yfprojects: i see
eulerscheZahl: and when i compare my prediction of the opponent tracker and the mines that my opponent explodes, his tracker seems to be less effective than mine
eulerscheZahl: e.g. frame 188, i can't be there according to my self-tracking
struct: kov i back on top
wlesavo: wow, Nagrarok plays without silence, impressing
Csipcsirip: idk what is more annoying mine spam or silence spam
wlesavo: ok, my antikovi vacine works now without hurting other matchups
kovi: nice
wlesavo: at least it is not 0/32 anymore :slight_smile:
Gajowy: is there a way to see stats for games between two given players?
Csipcsirip: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/ocean-of-code/gajowy
Magus: (only if you are top 1000, sorry, API limitation)
kovi: meta is on
BenjaminUrquhart: ey promotion
Thunderbolt: Hello guys
Thunderbolt: I have a question
HasanMahmudRimon: say it
Thunderbolt: Is there any free online linux environment out there?
HasanMahmudRimon: what do you mean bu free linux environment?
HasanMahmudRimon: *by
BenjaminUrquhart: why online?
Thunderbolt: I linux providers
BenjaminUrquhart: just boot into it or use a VM
Thunderbolt: I mean *
Thunderbolt: I dont have that much RAM
HasanMahmudRimon: you need linux iso file or what?
HasanMahmudRimon: oh..sorry
BenjaminUrquhart: why do you need a linux env?
eulerscheZahl: the more you clarify, the more mysterious the question becomes
HasanMahmudRimon: but linux is demand less RAM
HasanMahmudRimon: than windows
Thunderbolt: Here is the problem
HasanMahmudRimon: then use other OS
Thunderbolt: I need to setup a big data environment but my PC doesnt have a lot of RAM for that
HasanMahmudRimon: there are some OS lighter than linux
BenjaminUrquhart: "big data environment" any specifics?
BenjaminUrquhart: how much ram do you have
Thunderbolt: Install technologies like HADOOP, HIVE,ZOOKEEPER,KAFKA,SPARK at least
BenjaminUrquhart: and no, you're probably not going to get something for free online
Thunderbolt: I have 8 GB
HasanMahmudRimon: seroisly???
BenjaminUrquhart: I run VMs all the time with that much ram
HasanMahmudRimon: you are kidding right?
Thunderbolt: It's not that I can't run them
Thunderbolt: I have a lot of different versions
BenjaminUrquhart: and?
HasanMahmudRimon: then use multiple os..from the boot
Thunderbolt: But the problem is when launching Hadoop and hive ..
HasanMahmudRimon: don't use vm
BenjaminUrquhart: ^ dual boot
HasanMahmudRimon: yes
Thunderbolt: I can't do dual boot I have asus which doesnt always support linux
HasanMahmudRimon: F**k man
Thunderbolt: I tried it before and it crashed
BenjaminUrquhart: no harm in trying
BenjaminUrquhart: oh
Thunderbolt: Tried it twice with different linux OS
HasanMahmudRimon: hmm..asus don't support dual boot
Thunderbolt: Kali and parrot
Thunderbolt: It does support dual boot but linux no
Thunderbolt: It depends
HasanMahmudRimon: okay..
Thunderbolt: See my problem now
Thunderbolt: XD
HasanMahmudRimon: hmm..you stucked bro
BenjaminUrquhart: have you tried something other than kali and parrot
HasanMahmudRimon: ubuntu
Uljahn: what about persistent live USB?
Thunderbolt: Ubuntu 1 year ago
HasanMahmudRimon: i know
HasanMahmudRimon: u used ubuntu
Thunderbolt: no i tried 1 year ago and failed XD
HasanMahmudRimon: btw where are you from?
BenjaminUrquhart: unless you're using some really bleeding edge or obscure hardware linux should at least boot on anything
Thunderbolt: When I run persistent live screen freezes after a while
BenjaminUrquhart: ram issue
BenjaminUrquhart: and not amount
BenjaminUrquhart: I've had that happen to me, turns out I had a bad ram card
Thunderbolt: No Im working fine on windows
Thunderbolt: Playing games and everything
Thunderbolt: Even running hadoop and hive on windows
BenjaminUrquhart: :thinking:
BenjaminUrquhart: cursed computer
Thunderbolt: Probably XD
BenjaminUrquhart: is this a laptop or desktop
Thunderbolt: Yes laptop
Thunderbolt: Asus
eulerscheZahl: starting the indian tech support script now, BenjaminUrquhart?
eulerscheZahl: press the windows key and the letter R as in Romeo
BenjaminUrquhart: R
BenjaminUrquhart: ok so a quick google search shows it's a known issue that newer asus products are incompatible with linux
Thunderbolt: Exactly
eulerscheZahl: and noone at Asus considered that during the design phase?
Thunderbolt: No idea
Thunderbolt: NEwer products are supposed to be better but turned out the opposite for some
BenjaminUrquhart: how old is this laptop
Thunderbolt: XD
Thunderbolt: 1 year old XD
Thunderbolt: Core i7 7th Gen
Thunderbolt: 2 graphic cards intel and Nvidia 920M
Thunderbolt: 8 RAM
Thunderbolt: Good things to have but doesnt support linux XD
BenjaminUrquhart: community nvidia drivers are garbage
BenjaminUrquhart: ok, here's a question I should have asked: define " it doesn't work"
Thunderbolt: When booting linux it doesnt start at all
BenjaminUrquhart: does it recognize the boot disk?
Thunderbolt: I have uefi bios I do that manually
BenjaminUrquhart: so you select the boot disk and then... nothing?
Thunderbolt: Yep
BenjaminUrquhart: just blank screen?
Thunderbolt: Yep
BenjaminUrquhart: but the live disk "works?"
Thunderbolt: It freezes after almost 5 minutes from starting
Thunderbolt: I am really disappointed on this laptop
Thunderbolt: Never gonna buy asus again
Thunderbolt: Thx guys for your time
BenjaminUrquhart: make a persistent live disk and attempt to install the official nvidiad rivers in your 5 minutes
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl tech support is over
BenjaminUrquhart: you can come back now
eulerscheZahl: nah, busy making my boss act less like a retard
BenjaminUrquhart: sounds good
eulerscheZahl: in theory yes
but not successful so far
AntiSquid: there's not enough linux support, is it because there's no money to be made out of it or because they think the linux communities will just sort out their distros themselves?
izik1: Probably both?
izik1: Although, as someone running Arch (I use arch btw) I haven't actually seen any problems with Linux hardware support, some people are still adamant about not supporting software for it though :/
BenjaminUrquhart: I always assume the latter
wlesavo: AntiSquid there are specific distributives that have an ok support for corporative versions. like redhat, or similar
icecream17: what should I do if I have one life? sometimes the opponent also has 1 or 2 lives but sometimes 5
eulerscheZahl: you hide in the cprner and lure him into your mine field
izik1: going for a tie might also be a good strat
wlesavo: it depends, you still can win, but highly unlikely
izik1: if they have 1
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl easy to die due to surfacing i think
icecream17: There's so much logic too. Like if the opponent is 5 away and has 2 lives, you can move, and then shoot to win.
eulerscheZahl: i'm an expert in dying
icecream17: wlesavo then maybe charge up silence to get out of that situation....
wlesavo: especially if the opponent does not want to go to your minefiled
izik1: if they have 5 and you have 1, you should probably improve your early game
wlesavo: izi to say :wink:
izik1: Well, all _they_ have to do is not die before you, which is quite easy for them
icecream17: not easy. i worked on this for so long
icecream17: I have so many ideas and so little time.
lNitsua: Hey I'm pretty new to C but finally got some things going. Now that I have a decently functioning bot, I was cleaning up the code and was wondering if I needed to delete structs I was done with in C?
ZarthaxX: icecream17 20 DAYS..
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX improve your bot
ZarthaxX: nop
izik1: you only need to `delete` things that you allocated with `new`, if you allocated with `alloc` you need to `free`, and if you didn't allocate it'll just die at the end of the scope INitsua
lNitsua: ok thanks!
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/replay/443770070 hmmm advice?
izik1: Try to avoid entering that top left corner?
icecream17: can't floodfill
izik1: reason?
icecream17: timeout - unknown ms
icecream17: (very very slow)
xarnthehero: Is there a way to challenge friends directly in a battle?
eulerscheZahl: yes, delete the defaultAI first
eulerscheZahl: (or the boss)
eulerscheZahl: you can only fight against players in your league and below, not above
xarnthehero: Ahh cool, thanks euler!
icecream17: So wait, I can play against wood?
eulerscheZahl: yes, scroll down in the opponent selection
izik1: Play against me play against me! :p
izik1: (I'll totally lose)
izik1: I have _way_ more ideas than dev time so far
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/443829171 yes you do
icecream17: 4th in Wood1 almost to bronze!
izik1: without sonar or silence lol
izik1: I really need torp tracking too
izik1: both mine and theirs
eulerscheZahl: i did SILENCE once
eulerscheZahl: but yeah, i found you much faster than you found me
izik1: you also mined once
izik1: going between map edges is a great way to be found
eulerscheZahl: when the last 2 numbers of my message are "1 1", you should be able to tell where I am
izik1: actually, I'm pretty sure you can't _not_ find me
icecream17: izik1 your game against lasted 475 moved
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/443829663
lNitsua: since you mentioned message, what's the point of it?
izik1: debugging?
icecream17: debug or message
lNitsua: oh I thought there was a difference between standard message and the debugging one
eulerscheZahl: icecream17 your tracking seems wrong
icecream17: yes
wlesavo: damn, kovi, that single silence 3 helps just enough
eulerscheZahl: by the moment you hit him with the mine, you should always know the exact position ;)
icecream17: Oh yeah! Wait, I didn't put that?
Zenoscave: wlesavo why silence 3?
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl. Our local butcher was busy serving customers when he backed into his meat slicer; now he’s got a little behind in his work.
icecream17: I keep hearing kovi, whos that?
Zenoscave: ranked #1 right now
Zenoscave: in OOC
ZarthaxX: n1 leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: what's that Zenoscave? more bad puns? :D
wlesavo: Zenoscave well the story is i try to counter kovi, because he is using silence 0, and he is countering my countering by adding single silence 3 at early turns
Zenoscave: Are you detecting static silence lengths? I was wondering if anyone did that
eulerscheZahl: my length is random
Zenoscave: What's that eulerscheZahl? DId I get them from you?
wlesavo: yeah, i tryed to, and then weight my candidates based on taht
Zenoscave: Good Idea
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl mine as well
eulerscheZahl: Zenoscave get what from me?
Zenoscave: the bad pun
wlesavo: well, tracking for silence 0 works, but because of this first one activates a little to slow
dbdr: what's special about silence 0 wlesavo?
wlesavo: dbdr kovi abuses it
BenjaminUrquhart: 0
Nan001: :x::x::x:
dbdr: I mean it's a valid move. what does it mean to abuse it?
wlesavo: dbdr you dont need to calculate much, and cant jump to minefields by mistake
Zenoscave: If you only do silence 0 some bots may ignore that silence with tracking once they detirmine you only silence 0
wlesavo: it is kinda simple and effective
izik1: throw in some silence 1s in the direction you were already going to move :shades:
izik1: :sunglasses:
wlesavo: dbdr i only did that becaause my win rate against kovi was 0/32, but there are surprisingly many people using that
wlesavo: sorry for pinging
dbdr: np
kovi: that is why i referred to meta
there is someone who definitely play vs. 0
icecream17: what should i do when there's 1 possibleOpp position but the opponent silences?
kovi: (and no, its not you wlesavo)
icecream17: Also, should I implement (silence 4 if you can)?
eulerscheZahl: then you have up to 17 possible positions now
wlesavo: i mean, prioritizing candidates can be helpfull anyway
wlesavo: wanted to do that for a while, silence 0 is just an obvious task to test
wlesavo: kovi is there many others?
wlesavo: probably switching to silence 1 could help for a while
eulerscheZahl: there is silence 1, silence 2, silence 3 and silence 4
icecream17: For each amount (1, 2, 3, 4) I test the (N S E W) to add positions
wlesavo: i know my silence is broken, will try to fix it together with movement
Illedan: Hi
icecream17: Of course, if the opponent moves N, then silences next move the opponent can't SILENCE S 1, but I haven't implemented that yet
icecream17: I have "PATH" though, which is just a string of opponent moves "NNESWSE... etc"
wlesavo: icecream17 well if you consider opponent's path it wont givethe reduction
icecream17: Yeah, but if the opponent did "NES" the opponent can't silence W, so that's ... wait
icecream17: idea: Counting left, add the totals!
izik1: I have a _lot_ more work tracking silences than I've done
izik1: I have a huge amount of notes
izik1: lol
wlesavo: Illedan i wonder if your test bot would get to gold :slight_smile:
BenjaminUrquhart: icecream17
"TORPEDO -3 4|MOVE E TORPEDO|MSG 1,(-3 -3), XⱭ you murderer"
BenjaminUrquhart: why torpedo out of the map smh
icecream17: yes
izik1: torping negative :thinking:
icecream17: oh
BenjaminUrquhart: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/443834946
Illedan: wlesavo, my stream bot?
izik1: pretty sure they aren't in the -x plane :p
wlesavo: Illedan no i mean spam silence 0 bot
Illedan: haha
Illedan: Don't think so
wlesavo: it got to silver, soo
Illedan: Nah
Illedan: I pushed my real bot
wlesavo: oh i see
eulerscheZahl: how would your top bot of the first weekend rank now?
izik1: How long has this compo been going so far?
Illedan: I tested on saturday. Ended 30
izik1: A week?
Illedan: 10 days izik1
izik1: oof, I'm really far behind
Illedan: Not really
Illedan: Still a long time left
eulerscheZahl: still a lot of time to go
Illedan: I'm taking very good time now
eulerscheZahl: at the last marathon i missed the first half on purpose
eulerscheZahl: as 4 weeks is a lot
Illedan: Yeah, I'm trying to chill a little
Illedan: To not get borred
eulerscheZahl: let me guess: beer or whiskey?
Illedan: haha
dbdr: Illedan you're bored after finishing " 2,607 additions and 1,622 deletions. " :upside_down:
eulerscheZahl: i know my Illedan
Illedan: It's monday
Illedan: and I have to keep my mind on work stuff too
kovi: dbdr :)
Illedan: haha
Illedan: dbdr
Illedan: That was last week
Illedan: just forgot to update in a few days
dbdr: https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code/commit/e5b1092ff0296c086a009fa9a0fd3d3d7c283884
Illedan: ^^
Illedan: Yeah, that took some focus last week :P
eulerscheZahl: ah, you committed now
Illedan: But I'm happy I did it
Illedan: As I can sleep in peace now
Illedan: Also a big reason I'm so far behind
struct: damn
kamiathe: yo
kamiathe: i need help in python ^^'
kamiathe: normally, set are sort automaticaly and alphabeticaly
kamiathe: so I make tuple(my_set) coz I need a key which is a set for my dico
kamiathe: but a moment I have two tuple with diférent value but which represents the same set :/
kamiathe: I Dunno why ^^'
kamiathe: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/da96c7e9-a136-4605-98ec-cf4189191cf4
kamiathe: my code if someone would help me
icecream17: i don't understand any other language
icecream17: than js
BenjaminUrquhart: kamiathe I don't understand what you mean. 2 tuples refer to the same set? Is that it?
kamiathe: python is even better than js :)
kamiathe: Yes BenjaminUrquhart
eulerscheZahl: that code is French :scream:
kamiathe: I'm frensh sorry :/
BenjaminUrquhart: I can't help right now, I need syntax highlighting for that much code
BenjaminUrquhart: and I don't have a python ide handy rn
kamiathe: if you remove my comment at the end, you'll see 2 identical set but in different order
eulerscheZahl: there is one on codingame.com
you should give that website a try
RoboStac: sets are ordered by insertion order, so converting them to tuple will mean {1, 2} is different to {2,1}
BenjaminUrquhart: wait I missed that
BenjaminUrquhart: "set are sort automaticaly and alphabeticaly"
in most cases set means unordered unless specified in the implementation
kamiathe: yes RoboStac but usually, set sort iterable alphabeticaly
BenjaminUrquhart: usually is the key word here
kamiathe: ok thx I'll try to add a sort
kamiathe: okey my pb is solved with a sorted thx
izik1: ohno, the codinggame editor has a different width based off of how many digits the line numbers on screen have
kamiathe: i though set was sort alphabeticaly coz that was realy often the case:/
izik1: I just noticed that
BenjaminUrquhart: my day is ruined izik1 :eyes:
BenjaminUrquhart: why did you say something
BenjaminUrquhart: a
kamiathe: ah well no my code is still buggy
izik1: Because my day was ruined too and you have to join in my suffering, obviously
kamiathe: if anyone can solve my problème, i'll be realy [thanful]*1000000
BenjaminUrquhart: NameError: name 'thanful' is not defined
izik1: OutOfMemoryError
icecream17: YAS! Silver league!
BenjaminUrquhart: https://tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/5fUJSZV6IR8z9aqSQjMS@tNEcpVsvQAAz@a/4HAA
icecream17: So kovi is first... and i'm 362/369
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
BenjaminUrquhart: 362/1000+
BenjaminUrquhart: assuming all participants are active
BenjaminUrquhart: which they aren't
wlesavo: well you can count bronze and wood 1 for sure
BenjaminUrquhart: 362/977
BenjaminUrquhart: well now he's ahead of me so now I have to get around to more strategy
BenjaminUrquhart: also fyi DefaultAI is a joke
eulerscheZahl: of course it is. you are supposed to play againt real users
BenjaminUrquhart: pretty sure most humans would time out given 50ms
IlyasElBani: when does rank get updated ?
eulerscheZahl: pretty sure you don't want to submit, when each battle lasts 30min
eulerscheZahl: which rank? specific game? global rank?
Ahmed_Mohamed.: hello my friends
IlyasElBani: @euler global rank
Ahmed_Mohamed.: did you mind if anyone tell me how can i apply xor in c#
Ahmed_Mohamed.: do
IlyasElBani: in c++ it's the operator ^
IlyasElBani: maybe it's the same in C#?
Ahmed_Mohamed.: it works .. thanks:heart_eyes:
icecream17: Default AI?
icecream17: (silver) what's default ai?
BenjaminUrquhart: default
AntiSquid: people without premium membership get a downgraded boss: Default AI
AntiSquid: icecream17
icecream17: premium membership...?
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: no ads is one of the features
icecream17: ?
BenjaminUrquhart: Automaton2000 has a premium membership
Automaton2000: that was the only thing that matters
BenjaminUrquhart: hm
BenjaminUrquhart: exactly
icecream17: Kovi vs me: 6 lives to none.
BenjaminUrquhart: accurate
Sneffy: anyone available in pm for c++ question (for csb multi)
struct: what is your question Sneffy?
Sneffy: should we go in pm to not flood the chat ?
AntiSquid: have you heard about ocean of code sneffy? https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code
Sneffy: yes AntiSquid i'm bronze, but i prefer playing csb for now
AntiSquid: sneffy chat looks dead at the moment, imo you can have your conversation here right now
Sneffy: okey thanks
Sneffy: So in csb, i tried to implement sim with collision and it works
Sneffy: but when i'm searching for my pods
Sneffy: sometimes they stop doing the race and go crazy in wrong direction
Sneffy: my score depend on the dist with next cp so it keep decreasing in the search and idk why
Sneffy: the score keep decreasing *
Sneffy: like it can't find a better move
struct: The question might help other users
struct: so i guess here its fine
struct: Do they go "crazy" right at the start?
Sneffy: turn 0 i hardcoded Boost cuz i didn't wanted to handle it in my search
struct: also if your eval is just the distance to next checkpoint is normal that it wont work
Sneffy: and after they do race
Sneffy: it's not only that
Sneffy: checkponit give score too
Sneffy: they do run great
Sneffy: but sometimes
Sneffy: they just leave the race
struct: Do you have a replay?
Sneffy: suez
Sneffy: sure*
Sneffy: let me find one where it bug
Sneffy: sometimes it don't bug
Sneffy: doesn't*
BenjaminUrquhart: I HAVE FINALLY FOUND THE DIVISION BY ZERO BUG
BenjaminUrquhart: my silence handling didn't account for explosions correctly
AntiSquid: so does it now correctly divide by zero?
Zenoscave: It would seem so
icecream17: Wow, this person says there 2 possible positions, but my code says "7 possible positions" and "ERROR!!!!"
Zenoscave: which person and replay?
icecream17: kovi https://www.codingame.com/replay/443859539
AntiSquid: ya he has maphack
BenjaminUrquhart: icecream17 which number in your msg shows possible positions
Zenoscave: maphack?
Zenoscave: joke?
BenjaminUrquhart: his tracking is too good
BenjaminUrquhart: he uses hacks clearly
Sneffy: struct: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/443861401
my current code is the orange
Zenoscave: HAXXXXXXXXXXXX
icecream17: Mine? 1st number = positions, (coord) = starting position, [coord] = how much you moved
struct: Sneffy do you reset your bestSolution
struct: at the start of the turn?
Sneffy: Move* best[DEPTH] = { new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH],new Move[DEPTH] };
Sneffy: so i guess yea
struct: something doesnt seem right there
struct: So I assume depth is 5
struct: then you also do new Move[5] ?
Sneffy: woopsi
Sneffy: forgot to remove [5]
BenjaminUrquhart: shouldn't it be Move** since it's an array of arrays
AntiSquid: you missed checkpoint 2 and then went to 3 and back to 2 ...
BenjaminUrquhart: or am I bad at C++
Sneffy: wait this replay doesn't have the bug
Sneffy: should find another one
Sneffy: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/443863148
AntiSquid: well you completely leave the map
Sneffy: yep
AntiSquid: can you debug the bot to see why it goes where it does?
AntiSquid: my guess would be some x y mix up in there, maybe you use 2 x-es or somesuch
Sneffy: why some games would have no problem then
Sneffy: i mean it's weird that it happen only sometimes
struct: both bots run same eval right?
AntiSquid: the other one was being weird too
Sneffy: no struct
AntiSquid: i didn't see any normal behavior from your games
AntiSquid: maybe you keep adding a distance coordinate somewhere
AntiSquid: just read your code and do your calculations on paper
AntiSquid: 100% sure you don't add stuff properly
icecream17: How should I decide which direction to put my mines? [MINE N, S, E, or W]
Sneffy: i was trying to do that since hours but i came here because i still have no idea..
AntiSquid: you go through it step by step
AntiSquid: output some cerr << var << endl; in there see what comes out, is it what you expect?
Sneffy: i cerr the score of my pod
AntiSquid: no
Sneffy: it indeed see him loosing score
AntiSquid: it's debug
AntiSquid: you see what a value was at a given moment
AntiSquid: or whatever you output in there
AntiSquid: it's not the normal output
Sneffy: yea
AntiSquid: yea it's helpful
emh: I got obsessed with optimizing BFS. want to have fast BFS like pb4. came up with a seemingly smart idea. but haven't tried it out yet. can be double speed I hope. will make every neighbour lookup fast hehe. at expense of indexing
emh: I'm out of licorice tea. started on the plain black tea. and the cherry wine. no mood for programming this evening. so idea will have to wait
emh: the idea is basically to color the game board like a chess board. then neighbours of black are white and vice versa. so put even bits in one location and odd bits in the other and alternate. should halve the amount of bit shifts necessary at least. hope it will work out. maybe even 4 locations. x odd/even * y odd/even. will see
pb4: You're going far emh...
emh: hehe. yes. crazy
izik1: I need to fix my spread algo, it's currently looping bits when I can totally use fancy cpu instructions like `tzcnt` and `lzcnt` to find stuff
karliso: How important is performance for this contest?
kovi: moderate
izik1: I mean, I'm rust and I haven't timed out in the IDE yet, so, probably somewhat, but certainly not impossibly high
kovi: at least for silver
izik1: Probably will get more severe
izik1: Does Rust have a module combiner for codingame yet?
izik1: I swear one existed, but I can't remember what it is
Sneffy: AntiSquid; i debuged in local and it gives the expected result ..
icecream17: I did a game against myself, bewildering, https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/443871245
izik1: Did you win?
icecream17: Yes, but sometimes I lose
AntiSquid: lol
icecream17: Strangely, I never tie
Sneffy: if someone is available to review some of my code it would be nice, i'm a bit lost now
icecream17: Explain your code in the chat
icecream17: the important parts
Sneffy: okey,
so i first search a good move for my first pod, using dummies for my 2nd pod and the opp pods
then after like 30-40ms is start searching a move for my 2nd pod using my best move for pod 1 and dummies for opp pods
Sneffy: i start *
Sneffy: but the thing is that i have a bug that happens sometimes and i can't find it even with debug so i was wondering if someone could help me, because i'm not expert in this
struct: It seems like an hard bug to spot
struct: Your best solution seemed wrong to me, imo its better to be like this
struct: bestsol[2][DEPTH]
struct: so the bestsol[0] = firstpod
struct: and the 1 equals second
Sneffy: i have best[DEPTH] and best2[DEPTH]
i don't think it would cause the bug..
struct: ah ok
struct: whats inside best[DEPTH] ?
Sneffy: Move
Sneffy: struct tha contain angle and thurst
lNitsua: dumb question, but if overuse | will it cause errors?
lNitsua: like two in a row, or ending with one
BenjaminUrquhart: no
lNitsua: thanks
BenjaminUrquhart: it'll just warn you in the game summary
struct: Sneffy how do you keep track of bestSolution score?
Sneffy: int bestS
struct: so you also have bestS2?
Sneffy: no i do bestS = -999999 between the 2 search
Sneffy: because i don't need to keep it
struct: So you dont search the both pods simultaneously?
Sneffy: no
struct: you should, but this should not cause the bug anyways
Sneffy: i just want to have a simple search that work before going deeper
struct: yes
struct: you still did not add shield right?
Sneffy: yup
Sneffy: only {0,100} thurst
Sneffy: and [-18,-9,0,9,18} angles
struct: -18,0,18 is enough btw
struct: but back to the bug
struct: What does your eval looks like?
struct: Did you read magu s blog?
Sneffy: checked*X-dist(nextcp)
Sneffy: i had long time ago
struct: MadKnight you here?
struct: Trying to see if CSB guy is here
Counterbalance: try -dist(curpos, nextcp)/dist(prevcp, nextcp) so that it's always between 0 and 1
Counterbalance: if you have a long dist between 2 checkpoints it might make the score negative if X or checked are too low
Zenoscave: Fix it
Zenoscave: there MK'ed it for you
Sneffy: chcked is way bigger than max dist
Sneffy: Coutnerbalance
Sneffy: Counterbalance *
Counterbalance: checked is nr of checkpoints passed?
Sneffy: y
Sneffy: the track of my score is good
Sneffy: when my pod is running away from the race
Sneffy: my search is telling me my score is decreeasing
Sneffy: i just don't know why it can't find a solution that goes in the right direction
struct: whats your depth again?
Sneffy: 5
Counterbalance: what's X? larger than the largest distance betwen 2 checkpoints?
Sneffy: yes 50k
icecream17: How should I track the possible positions I could be in, in the point of view of the opponent
BenjaminUrquhart: dump your output into another tracker object
BenjaminUrquhart: for me
BenjaminUrquhart: private Tracker tracker, selfTracker;
icecream17: 1 possible position -> silence -> 15 possible positions???
Counterbalance: 1 + 4*4 =...
icecream17: oh yeah, it's working correctly....
IlyasElBani: when does my rank get updated ?
IlyasElBani: do clashofcode update rankings ?
icecream17: Press "submit"
IlyasElBani: My rank is not changing even after doing 10 clash of code
Counterbalance: it's updated nightly
IlyasElBani: ok! thanks
IlyasElBani: I thought it was live
Astrobytes: Level (XP) updates live, rank (CP) updates nightly
Counterbalance: ahh what a sneaky strategy.. i have an indirect hit, (dist 1), so the opponent bombs themselves too, losing 2 lives, making my bot think it was a direct hit
MSmits: you can make yourself invulnerable to that easily
MSmits: just add all damage sources to a single damage map and all cells that add up to +2 are potential locations
icecream17: Genius idea
Counterbalance: Yeah good idea.. however I also need to take this into account for 1 dmg and 2 torpedoes, by doing union of both torpedo blast ranges
MSmits: my idea takes care of that as well
MSmits: start creating your damage map when your orders are finished, then add the opponent damage to the map when you process his orders
icecream17: Should I keep looking for the mine bug or implement that?
MSmits: which mine bug?
icecream17: Also, what if you torpedo, then the opponent hits itself and then moves?
MSmits: my damagemap moves with the opponent
MSmits: I shift it
MSmits: thats the hard part
Counterbalance: My bits won't count beyond 1 ;)
MSmits: ah yes, that is annoying. I wrote a specific 64 bit map for it
MSmits: 15 damage max on a cell that way
icecream17: wow. also, the mine bug is where I put a mine at (x y), but the mines array gets updated with (other x, other y)
MSmits: i'm not even using mines yet :P
MSmits: just tracking the opponent ones
ZarthaxX: MSmits code lines?
MSmits: 1186
ZarthaxX: wtf
ZarthaxX: how is yours so tiny
MSmits: not much actual logic
ZarthaxX: i have close to 2k and sucks
JBM: i'm at 395
MSmits: my bot is this:
ZarthaxX: your tracker length is short?
JBM: i need multiple file support!
MSmits: 1) track enemy
ZarthaxX: JBM wtf
icecream17: "how is yours so tiny"!? i'm at 1008!
ZarthaxX: LOL
MSmits: 2) shoot when i can hit something
MSmits: 3) silence otherwise
JBM: yeah, well sorry
JBM: i streamed, so i had to put comments
ZarthaxX: i see MSmits
darkhorse64: You forgot to mention 4) choose move
MSmits: ow right
MSmits: I also still silence in place
MSmits: because obviously, if the opponent doesnt know you do it, it's pretty efficient
MSmits: takes up no extra cells
Counterbalance: no search yet?
MSmits: what search
MSmits: what am I supposed to search?
darkhorse64: MCTS ? :grinning:
Counterbalance: solutions
icecream17: idk
MSmits: to?
Counterbalance: the problem
JBM: TBF my end-of-stream version is 333
MSmits: which problem?
icecream17: "solutions"? you mean logic or something?
Counterbalance: the problem is to write a perfect bot
icecream17: It must be an awesome idea because Counterbalance isn't saying anything
Counterbalance: the solution is a bot that never loses
JBM: d'uh
Counterbalance: yeah that's what I thought too, not sure why I had to explain
MSmits: yeah sure... but it took me a lot of time to come up with this tracking code. Did not have much time for other stuff yet. Also took a break
MSmits: today I recorded a YT video
MSmits: took me half a day
JBM: oh
JBM: do tell us about it
JBM: URI plz
MSmits: sure, if you can understand Dutch, by all means
JBM: not too far removed from german is it?
JBM: it's like a mix btw german+english, with a nasal accent
JBM: i can deal with that
MSmits: https://youtu.be/mtyriZcNBVw
JBM: \o/
MSmits: it's about modelling a virus epidemic
JBM: appropriate
Astrobytes: yesh shmooo schmnnn stroopwafel
MSmits: lol
Counterbalance: MSmits I didn't mean it that way - just curious about the state of your bot and what it takes to get to the rank your bot is at.. Still muddling away in bronze
JBM: 7:15
MSmits: i show how to write a model to show how to "flatten the curve" in 7 minutes
JBM: now how long did the total operation take?
MSmits: Counterbalance I know it's fine :)
MSmits: too long jbm, half a day, because my s'ss are too sharp and i had to find a tool to lower their volume and also to put the video and audio back together. So annoying
icecream17: I figured out the bug
JBM: love the oh-so-typical obs-style start
icecream17: So now I get to play against.....
icecream17: obs?
MSmits: jbm yes, i didnt cut anything off
JBM: yup
JBM: wouldn't have known 2 years ago
MSmits: this video is basically just for my dynamic computer modelling class. Just 21 students, but I tend to just make YT videos public
Scarfield: you can get youtube to auto generate subtitles, and translate them, its of course not perfect, but good enough to understand what is being said :)
JBM: is that coach7 thingy epidemilogy-specific?
MSmits: not at all
MSmits: you can use it for anything jbm
JBM: never heard of it :$
darkhorse64: Counterbalance: you need to track your opponent. It's quite difficult. I am debugging my second version
MSmits: it's educational software
Astrobytes: That's actually pretty cool
JBM: aaah ok
MSmits: coach can also be used for video measurements and lab experiments
Astrobytes: Might be useful for demonstrations when we have kids (or adults) along at some of the learning sessions at the centre
Astrobytes: (the wildlife/conservation centre I work at)
MSmits: https://cma-science.nl/homepage
MSmits: I think they sell all over the world
MSmits: but it's a dutch company
Astrobytes: Cool!
Counterbalance: interesting video MSmits, nicely done
MSmits: thanks :)
ZarthaxX: i know smits voice now
ZarthaxX: :O
Astrobytes: MSmits did you use a dedicated de-esser or multiband compressor?
MSmits: haha ZarthaxX, my Dutch voice
Astrobytes: (to reduce the sibilance in your recording)
MSmits: i used the first thing i could find adobe audition
MSmits: and selected deesser effect
Astrobytes: It has de-essing plugins yes
MSmits: it removed the worst of it
MSmits: but you can still hear it in some places
MSmits: I messed around with it
MSmits: couldnt get all of it gone. Not sure if it is my mic or what
Astrobytes: Just wondering. Yeah you'll never get perfect results without mic'ing up pro and sometimes even manually riding the volume on the sibilants
Astrobytes: It's an art
MSmits: ahh ok, so it's a difficult problem
MSmits: I did not make many videos and when i did, it wasnt usually with voice
Astrobytes: It's a general problem with recording vocals
MSmits: I see
Astrobytes: You can do it all manually with EQ and volume automation but de-essers take some of the load off
MSmits: EQ?
MSmits: I suspect you dont mean Everquest
Astrobytes: Sorry, frequency equalizer
MSmits: ah ok
JBM: Astrobytes: you seem to know about this, what's a layman dscription of the essing problem?
Astrobytes: Reducing the excessive "hiss" associated with vocals containing "ess" or "ss"
JBM: difference between ess and ss?
Astrobytes: socks and ceiling
JBM: i've heard about the problem more than i've noticed it, so i'm kind of curious
JBM: errr
JBM: which is which
Astrobytes: same thing
JBM: then again, i reord a lot, but seldom [close] vocals
MSmits: when you say socks you open your mouth and draw in air when you say the s
Astrobytes: just pointing it out, because sometimes people just get the 's' part
MSmits: when you say ceiling you dont
JBM: not sure i get any of the last 10 lines
MSmits: linessssss
JBM: there are 2 s's in socks
MSmits: the first s
MSmits: i mean
JBM: k
Astrobytes: both s's i nsocks will be an issue
Counterbalance: it's essentially loud white noise, right?
JBM: yeah so it's s the problem
Astrobytes: especially if your de-esser is set wrong (or compression)
JBM: i kinda never de-ess
Astrobytes: Yes, essentially counterbalance
JBM: well on instruments who cares
JBM: but i do choirs every now and then
MSmits: jbm it might depend on your way of speaking
Astrobytes: You don't need to on instruments, you're gonna EQ and compress that stuff in whatever way anyway
JBM: yeah so back to it, the problem is that? it records too high wrt other phonemes?
JBM: i don't recall ever EQing
JBM: compressing yeah
JBM: comping, yeah
JBM: but the rest... let's call it a souvenir from the *live*
JBM: so why is it a problem?
JBM: from my pseudo-innocent point f view
Astrobytes: yeah, it's like counterbalance said, a white noise rush
JBM: if it's loud in the input, it should be loud in the output
JBM: if it's part of speech, why remove it?
Astrobytes: No, it's excessive high freq
JBM: who defines it as "Excessive"?
Astrobytes: Your ears when it goes SSSSSS
icecream17: I won against default
JBM: recording tends to cop at 20k anyway, right?
JBM: *crop
Astrobytes: Depends
JBM: (yes, but you don't want to go into that?)
JBM: wrt essing
MSmits: my s-es were extreme, it was like someone doing a high pitched whistle
Astrobytes: You can record above that, whether you hear it or not is another story. You should usually filter that out
JBM: lest you get LF aliasing
MSmits: anything above 3k will already sound very high pitched
JBM: i know my theory
JBM: but i mean
JBM: essing was a thing before we even started to record above 44k
Astrobytes: You must also be aware of the plosive pop problem with vocal recording right?
JBM: that's why i said let's not go into that
JBM: plosives yeah
MSmits: plosive plop?
JBM: got a filter on my mic
JBM: well the ones two streams ago anyway
JBM: but the pop makes sense to me
Astrobytes: That will also reduce sibilance to a degree
JBM: essing not so much
Counterbalance: Sally sells seashells by the seashore
Astrobytes: ^
MSmits: Sassy Sally
JBM: how about sissi?
Astrobytes: Same. Some people will record this and it'll be fine, give them a different mic it might be a different story.
Counterbalance: There was a comedy show with a guy whistling the 'S' in Susan all the time, for the name, but it was funny
Astrobytes: Some people given a good mic, will also still record the same violent sounding sibilance
JBM: oh dear
JBM: i was on the sibilant pages
Counterbalance: btw can you reach silver if you only use torpedo?
MSmits: I did
Counterbalance: k
Astrobytes: I got silver without
JBM: and got to producing a dual [translating time]
MSmits: Counterbalance even worse, I torpedoed every cell I could find where a possible opponent was
MSmits: even if there were 100 such cells
JBM: dear me wp isn't shaped the same on both sides i wont make it
JBM: a dual ss + sh sound
Counterbalance: I keep quiet until there's only 25 or less possible locations
Astrobytes: Yeah the translation might be off. But all you need to know is "hiss"
JBM: yeah i'll try to look for it in my next recordings
Astrobytes: iirc yo udon't have an issue in your streams
Astrobytes: *you
JBM: different mic on the last 2 or 3
JBM: (cheaper one)
JBM: (easier setup /o\ )
Astrobytes: :D
JBM: well i've had a pretty bad time with the very first on OOC
JBM: like a very ugly time
JBM: for different reasons than audio
Astrobytes: Ah yeah, the fail-stream
JBM: but that one had top-notch audio ^^'
Astrobytes: Haha, you can't have it al lright
Astrobytes: *all right
JBM: computers hate me
Astrobytes: Do you have a studio for your music stuff JBM?
JBM: what do you call a studio
JBM: you mean glass-walled audio-proofed recording chambers ?
Astrobytes: No no, just a home setup
JBM: mmm
JBM: gotta studio mic, stand, pop, AI (err, audio itf, acronym collision around here) and MIDI kbd
Astrobytes: I'm not doing much in the past 2 years but here's what I used to have all set up
Astrobytes: https://imgur.com/a/sotOdqV
JBM: wouldn't have the use for most of it, but still makes my eyes water ^^
elderlybeginner: contest - is there a way to recognize if the opponent was hit by my torpedo or by his own?
Astrobytes: All packed up in spare room at the minute sadly JBM
MSmits: no, record the damage done to the cells that were hit
MSmits: if the opponent life lost doesnt match to these cells, then he's not there
MSmits: be sure to incorporate movement correctly
MSmits: the sub might move between damage sources
JBM: you'ee get back to it Astrobytes
JBM: err
JBM: 'll
JBM: what a weird typo
Astrobytes: hehe French keyboard
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes i want you to know you are the only person that breaks my tracker
JBM: if only
elderlybeginner: that's a bit of checking to connect damage with exact opponent position
JBM: but nope, this is work-rig qwerty
Astrobytes: Awesome ZarthaxX, I aim to please!
ZarthaxX: hate u :P
Astrobytes: And yeah I will JBM. I've only got my stringed instruments on the go right now and haven't even played much this year.
https://imgur.com/a/otDJV9O
JBM: too much CG
Astrobytes: Nah, lots of life stuff. Stifling the music side of me a bit. I'll be back on it soon enough.
MSmits: so many guitars
MSmits: and guitar-like things
MSmits: serious stuff
Astrobytes: lol, 2 guitars, a bass guitar, a 5-string banjo and a mandolin in the case
MSmits: thats what I said :P
MSmits: it's impressive
MSmits: I've never learned an instrument
JBM: you can speak dutch
JBM: talk about an instrument
Astrobytes: hahaha! Only do it if you want to.
Or learn Swedish
MSmits: you might like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhojoT1o1M4
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes do you play all those instruments?!?
Astrobytes: MSmits Hahaha this guy's got it down!
MSmits: yeah, very famous guitar player
MSmits: my parents listened to him a lot when I was young
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX yeah, my bass skills are not great tho
Astrobytes: Totally didn't know this guy MSmits, thanks
MSmits: np, hf. Going to bed
Counterbalance: nn
Astrobytes: gn man
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes wow man what a dude
ZarthaxX: cya smito
ZarthaxX: beast astro
Astrobytes: I have diverse interests. Never bored if you're always into something right? :D
ZarthaxX: correct
KareemTheDream: sup
KareemTheDream: you guys
icecream17: Sigh. Losing all of the first 10 battles again
icecream17: There's been this huge bug this whole time!
icecream17: resubmitting... I actually won 3/10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
icecream17: I have so much code I scroll up and down.... there should be a better way
LakenCodes: what up everython
izik1: Getting my code into a state where it's nice and bundled
BenjaminUrquhart: ok, I have a new strategy I want to use but I don't feel like rewriting the logic I have
BenjaminUrquhart: send help
izik1: I can send rubber duck?
izik1: Bleh, I can't think of a nice way to draw the diamond from torps
izik1: Since I have to limit it
izik1: I want to take advantage of my bitmap
izik1: but it's kinda hard to do that here
izik1: I could 0 queue bfs?
izik1: yeah, I think I cna
icecream17: benjamin, what help do you need
izik1: I have spent a lot of time looking at ascii images, and have concluded that I can indeed 0 queue paint this by using layers, the only problem is properly modeling it
Mikeeyy: In ocean of code how do i know where the islands are in my code
