GenesisWasTaken: testing stuff out on an alt account is within the rules right?
NinjaDoggy: idk, i was banned before for it(on my alt)
NinjaDoggy: but it's probably fine
Zenoscave: your alt ?
NinjaDoggy: just namei t differnetly
NinjaDoggy: in UTTT
NinjaDoggy: i got an email saying i was hogging legend spots and got it removed lol
NinjaDoggy: I wasn't too discrete with the name though...
GenesisWasTaken: why does it take so long to get out of wood league lol
NinjaDoggy: NinjaDoggySmurf :thinking:
GenesisWasTaken: is it because there are only 16 people insthis league lmao
GenesisWasTaken: it takes forever for me to find 1 match
NinjaDoggy: submits are slow right now
NinjaDoggy: because servers are overloaded :(
GenesisWasTaken: been sitting here for 10 minutes and I'm still at 50%
NinjaDoggy: game's too popular
elderlybeginner: what are the basic rules for utilizing learns in silver?
NinjaDoggy: learn first 8
NinjaDoggy: you can get top of gold with that still
NinjaDoggy: my current bot learns index 0 for first 6
elderlybeginner: any ratings for learns required
LLG: I just learn until I have 8-10 spells, still trying to figure out the optimal number
elderlybeginner: ?
NinjaDoggy: no, learn first tome for 8 turns is pretty good
LLG: I put higher weight on spells with 0 cost
NinjaDoggy: was around top 30-40 gold today
NinjaDoggy: with that still
NinjaDoggy: you can also try to generate a value for each tome
NinjaDoggy: and take highest value tome or something
LLG: yeah that's what I do
elderlybeginner: 5-6 learns at start works best for me, but still got stuck in silver and I am wondering where are my week points
NinjaDoggy: probably searching algo
NinjaDoggy: and python :(
LLG: maybe your evaluation heuristics
elderlybeginner: most certainly it's about heuristics
LLG: I've seen people in gold with only about 5000 sims
elderlybeginner: I don't rate learns and brews
LLG: so it technically could work with good heuristics
LLG: one thing you could do is optimize the end game
LLG: like if you're at 5, and you can get to 6 before your opponent can brew a single potion
LLG: that's a good target to rush
LLG: or if they're at 5 and about to get 6
NinjaDoggy: yea, end game optimization is pretty big
LLG: you can try to cast spell and get bonus points for ingredients at the end
NinjaDoggy: having 1 extra potion usually wins
elderlybeginner: that would require to look into opponent
LLG: you can just track the number of potions each side have brewed, for now
Uemu: if you're at five and your score + the potion you will make is higher than opponent's score, rushing the sixth potion when the opponent is ahead is bad imo
elderlybeginner: i am usually first with 6 brews, but loosing with points
LLG: yeah I only rush 6th if the 6th potion give me higher score than my opp.
LLG: otherwise I look for the second closest, etc.
LLG: until I find one
LLG: if I can't find one I just optimize ingredients
LLG: because you get 1 points for each tier2+ ingredients at the end
Uemu: Oh the ingredient part is smart as hell
GenesisWasTaken: I do search for both sides though
GenesisWasTaken: so I have perfect information on which player can rush a potion first
GenesisWasTaken: let's say, they're at 5, and there's no way I'm beating them to 6
GenesisWasTaken: I'll optimize ingredients
elderlybeginner: still you get more points by brewing 6th then by optimizing end-state with inventory
Uemu: Yes but if you can't brew sixth before him stack ingredients
GenesisWasTaken: yeah that ^
GenesisWasTaken: if I can't get to 6th before my opponent I stack ingredient
elderlybeginner: I must have bigger heuristics weaknesses then that
GenesisWasTaken: right now I just evaluate by point/turn
GenesisWasTaken: I get the path to each potions, and divide their reward by the number of turns to reach it
Zenoscave: GenesisWasTaken do you include current inventory in your eval?
GenesisWasTaken: for example, I can brew a 20 points potion in 4 turns, that's 5 points a turn
elderlybeginner: in general i'm going for "kill", just trying to brew asap and only rating casts
GenesisWasTaken: I used to, but now I don't
GenesisWasTaken: the only thing I evaluate is point/turn
Zenoscave: Put it back. that's a big part. Just need to tune the eval
GenesisWasTaken: then I have some heuristics to determine whether I can get to that potion before my opponent
elderlybeginner: do you rate brews in regards to its ingredients usage?
Zenoscave: yes
elderlybeginner: kind of balance points/ingredients?
Zenoscave: t0 < t1 < t2 <t3
GenesisWasTaken: well, the potion's reward IS based on it's ingredients
GenesisWasTaken: but yeah, could be a thing to look into
Zenoscave: But you don't know which potion will be next. having ample t3's but not too many is important
GenesisWasTaken: yeah stacking 10 gold ingredients is a very common problem
GenesisWasTaken: I've seen it way too many times
elderlybeginner: i believe I'm learning and casting improperly
GenesisWasTaken: also, multicast
GenesisWasTaken: I can't believe I forgot about that up until upper silver
elderlybeginner: improperly casting when no solution is founded
GenesisWasTaken: I was doing single cast all the way from bronze to like, top 400 silver
GenesisWasTaken: before I started generating states for multicasts
elderlybeginner: i have multicasting included in simulation only
GenesisWasTaken: also, how many states are you able to generate in 50ms?
GenesisWasTaken: it's ironic how my old bot was super efficient about generating states (only 1-2k before timing out)
Zenoscave: 30-40k
elderlybeginner: i don't see big difference between 2k and 5k; thus it's about heuristics
GenesisWasTaken: so I tried a solution that doesn't require as much simulation
GenesisWasTaken: but then my current bot does 5k sims in 5ms
GenesisWasTaken: I'm like
GenesisWasTaken: NOW you decide to be fast huh
GenesisWasTaken: when I don't need you to be
NinjaDoggy: @Zenoscave
NinjaDoggy: my secret sauce pruning is finally being useful! :O
NinjaDoggy: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b35c2180-042a-45e0-9c94-24c6d3bb53c1
NinjaDoggy: I'm computing the best possible set of 6 brews given an initial set of casts, and a fixed 11 brews
Zenoscave: Nice NinjaDoggy!
NinjaDoggy: it's easily searching depth 40-60 < 1 second XD
Zenoscave: I'm trying to do opp blocking
NinjaDoggy: ah...
NinjaDoggy: it's a pain
Zenoscave: any pointers?
NinjaDoggy: simulate your opponent for a given depth
NinjaDoggy: then simulate your self for that same depth
GenesisWasTaken: oh yeah speaking of which, I should do that also
NinjaDoggy: compute opp turn 1, then ur turn 1, then opp turn 2, etc
Zenoscave: then rinse and repeat?
NinjaDoggy: knowing minDist to potions really helps
NinjaDoggy: yea
GenesisWasTaken: right now what I'm doing is
GenesisWasTaken: check which potion has the highest return for my opponent
GenesisWasTaken: like, point/turn for him
GenesisWasTaken: then if I can get to it in less turns than he can
GenesisWasTaken: I'll rush it
GenesisWasTaken: but only if he doesn't have a second best option available in 2-3 turns
Zenoscave: But what if he has two other potions where p1+p2 / (t1+t2) is >?
NinjaDoggy: sry p1+p2/t1+t2 is?
Zenoscave: points and turns for items 1 and 2
GenesisWasTaken: my thought is, if I go out of my way and do unoptimal things to block him, only to have him brew another potion 1 turn later
GenesisWasTaken: that wouldn't be very profitable
GenesisWasTaken: so I only do that if my opponent doesn't have a second option available within x turns
NinjaDoggy: wait sry i'm prob being dense rn but
NinjaDoggy: what's points and turns?
Zenoscave: minDist and Price
NinjaDoggy: oh like if there's multiple options for opponent
Zenoscave: Yeah
NinjaDoggy: like if you block potion 1, but they do potion 2
NinjaDoggy: hehe ok secret sauce time
GenesisWasTaken: yeah that
Zenoscave: I chose the wrong one a lot
GenesisWasTaken: but yeah, as I said, I only do opponent blocking if they don't have another option within 2-3 turns
GenesisWasTaken: probably not the best way to do it
GenesisWasTaken: but it kinda improved my bot compared to not doing it at all
GenesisWasTaken: another thing I picked up from my colleague is to use a bit field to store spell castable state instead of storing a boolean on each Spell instance
GenesisWasTaken: so when you generate a new state, you only need to generate 1 bit field, instead of n booleans
GenesisWasTaken: with n being the number of spells
GenesisWasTaken: which in turn, means I don't even have to clone the spells, but rather just use the original array
GenesisWasTaken: anyway I'm gonna go grab something for lunch while waiting for my bot to reach silver
GenesisWasTaken: see you guys later
elderlybeginner: any one with python's code contest here? How long is your code?
ClockSort: alright, we're submitting. Let's roll.
NinjaDoggy: let's see it CLOCKSORT
NinjaDoggy: (don't mind if you bump me to legend ;) )
miszu: rush B my friend
ClockSort: so far, meh results
miszu: yeah saw it :/
ClockSort: 16% done, server isn't that bad
NoobCod3: guys join the class of code im lonely
miszu: question for c++, does a function that returns a primitive can be returned as const?
Csipcsirip: it's not tha hard to try out :p
miszu: sorry I meant can it always be returned as const?
Csipcsirip: I don't understand the question
miszu: const before a function definition means the return value won't be modified
Good_Coder: Lol
Good_Coder: Hi
Good_Coder: Hi
Csipcsirip: const int f() {return 1;} ?
Good_Coder: ???
miszu: yes example
Good_Coder: ???
Good_Coder: ...
miszu: int is a primitif
miszu: primitive*
Good_Coder: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Good_Coder: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Csipcsirip: in this case if you do this: int a = f(); a will be modifiable
miszu: so could you say that whenever you return a primitive you could always put a const before?
Good_Coder: ????????????????????????????????????????????
Zenoscave: Good_Coder quit.
Csipcsirip: but you can do int f(){return 1;} const int a = f(); in this case a is const
PatrickMcGinnisII: Coding with 1 day left in challenge...everyone: FML ME:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6uDI0M-40&&tt=666
miszu: yeah I know you can but
ClockSort: top 100 Gold and climbing, yess!
miszu: primitives will always be const when returned though
miszu: even if you don't put const
Csipcsirip: wut? no.
Zenoscave: nice ClockSort
Csipcsirip: int a = f(); a = 69;
miszu: yeah
NinjaDoggy: i think he means
NinjaDoggy: f() = 69
NinjaDoggy: doesn't work?
ClockSort: try f() = 420
NinjaDoggy: lol
NinjaDoggy: maybe compiler will allow it
miszu: can't lol
miszu: haha
miszu: because f() is not an l-value
Csipcsirip: oh okay. never tried that :D
miszu: if you are interested into why you can't do: 5 = 7, it has to do with l-value in a language
ClockSort: also 5 isn't 7
miszu: pretty interesting
miszu: I really mean 5 = 7 and not 5 == 7
The_Duck: 5 isn't 7 until you set it equal to 7, maybe :)
Zenoscave: Prove it ClockSort
jlfudev: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1472982457ca7edb2a85631a12748f195d7ca69
NinjaDoggy: i would be down for some clash of code
miszu: from 0 to 13s: people submitting and winning first games
13s+: losing at the end and ending below boss bot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLdQ1a4-JI
NinjaDoggy: but dedicating too many cores to offline computing right now :P
NinjaDoggy: if only I got my hands on a zen 3 cpu...
NinjaDoggy: this would be going more than twice as quick
eulerscheZahl: 6,928 results found for «Score - All»
so close
NinjaDoggy: ?
eulerscheZahl: 7k
NinjaDoggy: yea so close
NinjaDoggy: 41 off :P
Lysk: badoum tss
NinjaDoggy: i mean 72 ofcourse :)
wlesavo: we need some smurfs
eulerscheZahl: oh, i missed a kick on that ??? spam above
Kiat: server unstable?
wlesavo: feeling like the old days, wake up earlier to be able to play some games
Instafluff: anyone happen to know how to avoid a big gc spike for JS on CG?
ClockSort: never lose a reference to any object. then GC doesn't have anything to clean up
dbdr: it will still try...
Instafluff: hmm...
ClockSort: it worked for me in C#, haven't tried JS
reCurse: That's not where all the cost is though
eulerscheZahl: wlesavo just giving up? https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/508676809
ClockSort: right, @recurse I'm paying in other ways too :P
reCurse: It makes GC traversal slower for one
reCurse: Not sure it's a benefit but if it works for you
wlesavo: assertion triggered, do not know why though eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: assert(wlesavo > eulerscheZahl)
reCurse: Hmm is it bad to have coffee at 2am
dbdr: assert(can_still_win())
Ifthel: Instafluff my bet, reuse via a set() command instead of instantiating, keep a bunch of that object type in an array for later reuse.
wlesavo: smth like that
eulerscheZahl: get some sleep and come back stronger tomorrow reCurse
reCurse: But tomorrow will be wasted with servers
reCurse: If I stay up longer now I can stay up longer tomorrow
reCurse: Or something...
eulerscheZahl: did you take off from work?
reCurse: Monday? Yeah
wlesavo: submits will be dead soon anyways
eulerscheZahl: smart move. i did the same :D
dbdr: why monday?
dbdr: ah, to rest
Instafluff: thanks @Ifthel im looking to see if i can force objects to be on the stack in node...
reCurse: All nighter
eulerscheZahl: chatting after challenge
reCurse: This might be my last contest for a while
reCurse: So wanna make it count
eulerscheZahl: oh, relevant changes in your life?
reCurse: Possibly
eulerscheZahl: still lurking on the chat?
reCurse: Discord yeah
reCurse: Webchat unlikely
dbdr: good content on discord?
reCurse: I prefer the chat on discord and I'm already pretty active on it
reCurse: Webchat means another app/window meh
benlinn: fk man this game is hard
dbdr: not for reCurse ;)
reCurse: I beg to differ
benlinn: who's that lol
reCurse: I'm starting to hate this game with every fiber of my soul
benlinn: lol
benlinn: nice to meet u guys :) i just want to get to bronze before time runs out
dbdr: inb4 ragequit
benlinn: dont give me any hints hto
kovi: which was the last game you liked recurse?
dbdr: ragequit and still win :)
reCurse: tbh I think it's more the contest effect
kovi: (i remember such last day hate for quite a few times...)
kovi: yeah...we got tired
reCurse: Like I'm sick of watching or thinking about it
reCurse: lol
kovi: at least its not 4 week long as locm
dbdr: burnout
wlesavo: felt this way about phd thesesis
wlesavo: still do
kovi: 4 week without depth. halite3 was good
reCurse: Last game I liked is probably FB or WW I think
reCurse: On CG
Csipcsirip: server is so dead already. rip spamsubmit
wlesavo: and it is only 100 ppl computing
Gonny: when it's that slow to push because servers are overloaded, does it potentially increase your time outs?
wlesavo: would be close to 400 later
blasterpoard: I suppose it's so slow because of everyone running cgbenchmark
blasterpoard: (not me, my bot is not finished yet, I have nothing to test)
Csipcsirip: and games are even much shorter than usual
Csipcsirip: usually there are 100+ turns at least
wlesavo: yeah imagine 300 turn games
blasterpoard: I wonder why there were absolutely no problems during kutulu, 4players and 200 turns...
blasterpoard: maybe it depends more on the load of their cloud provider, not CG itself
kovi: maybe cause heuristic was enough to reach top gold in kutu
eulerscheZahl: or CG still has some problems with the backend
Batpapa: Do you know if in C++ there is any way to set the flag fpermissive? Virtual pure inheritance couldn't work without it..
Westicles: maybe
Westicles: #pragma GCC diagnostic warning "-fpermissive"
Batpapa: I already tried, but without success :'(
Batpapa: I think i'll just recode some classes then
Westicles: you could do it the hard way from bash
Batpapa: Isn't it considered cheating? Because you by-pass their compiler limitation
CommanderCero: nah everyone uses pragmas otherwise c++ would be slow as hell
Batpapa: sure, at least for O3
Westicles: did you try this
Westicles: #pragma GCC diagnostic ignored "-Wunused-result"
- pragma GCC diagnostic ignored "-Wuninitialized"
Westicles: you can list exceptions error by error
kovi: wow, new leader. very nice submit bourgeof
bourgeof: thank you kovi, but the submit is not finished yet...
bourgeof: But it is a very good start :)
kovi: well, impressive start
bourgeof: Best ever for me :)
Batpapa: I always get
Batpapa: note: (if you use ‘-fpermissive’, G++ will accept your code, but allowing the use of an undeclared name is deprecated)
wlesavo: solid lead, nice
Batpapa: no worries, I give up!
LLG: I changed a tiny bit of how I choose spells to learn
LLG: I hope that's enough to push me to gold
LLG: I was #15 silver at 50% battles before the submit so maybe I could've been gold anyway, but let's see
Csipcsirip: wow bourgeof, calm down
bourgeof: ;)
Csipcsirip: writing minimax to the endgame is giving me headaches :(
benlinn: battles in progress 0%
Instafluff: -1% :joy:
GenesisWasTaken: accidentally resubmitted both my smurf and my main
GenesisWasTaken: inb4 fighting myself
eulerscheZahl: you aren't allowed to use smurfs in contests
GenesisWasTaken: 👀 welp time to abandon my smurf
eulerscheZahl: last time thibaud was thinking about removing only the smurfs or both smurf and main account
eulerscheZahl: CG has some plagiarism check
eulerscheZahl: afaik they only run it for gold+legend
GenesisWasTaken: can I somehow delete my smurf so my main stay safe? 👀
GenesisWasTaken: there's a chance both my accounts get to gold on this submit
eulerscheZahl: then resubmit before it finishes
eulerscheZahl: a worse bot of course
Batpapa: have you any known way to by-pass the 100ko file size limitation?
eulerscheZahl: no. the limit is chars, not bytes
eulerscheZahl: so fancy unicode can increase it a bit
Batpapa: arhhh
Batpapa: I guess I have to make different files for differents techniques
GenesisWasTaken: what are you guys doing with your files that make it exceed 100 tho 👀
The_Duck: you can strip whitespace and comments to save some characters
eulerscheZahl: or use tab instead of space if you code in python
Batpapa: plenty of classes
Instafluff: minify :joy:
Batpapa: oh yeah, it's 4 spaces instead of each tab, good guess!
GenesisWasTaken: hi instafluff! was just watching the vod of your stream
eulerscheZahl: be careful about compression. if it's considered as obfuscation, it can disqualify you
GenesisWasTaken: you planning on streaming anytime soon?
Instafluff: hi genesis!
Instafluff: not anymore til next week :worried:
Instafluff: thanks for watching it btw!
Instafluff: i didn't know that. thanks for the heads up euler!
GenesisWasTaken: you shooting for gold today Instafluff?
Instafluff: hopefully. i was struggling vs random GC timeouts tonight and trying potential workarounds
Instafluff: it's looking like all of today will be struggling against the servers :joy:
GenesisWasTaken: lol xD good luck with that
GenesisWasTaken: I'm procrastinating redoing some parts of my heuristics
KingKirb64: Yo, how are we doing 3am gang?
GenesisWasTaken: all I've done today is change my spells limit from 12 to 13 and fix 1 faulty comparison (where it compared references instead of values)
GenesisWasTaken: and somehow I'm seeing good improvements xD
Instafluff: thanks! good luck to you too. hopefully i can get back to working on the heur soon too :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LfJnj66HVQ
Westicles: sign in to confirm your age... shame on you!
LLG: it's 3pm gang on this side of the planet
BabyLearnToCode: it's 3:13pm =))
KingKirb64: dang where is that?
linjoehan: How about a song to wake you up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybGOT4d2Hs8
PatrickMcGinnisII: already passed thru the metal playlist
lifetimeLearner007: Hey guys, here is what I'm doing:
https://pastebin.com/K6UdRjxL
But its timing out and not getting many iterations in bfs before timeout. Can someone point out my mistake/ suggest improvement?
benlinn: does anybody in the higher levels use javascript?
Instafluff: im using JS in silver atm :thinking:
LLG: there are a bunch of people in gold who uses js
benlinn: sweet ^
LLG: and 1 guy in legend who uses python
LLG: what a legend
benlinn: lol wow
benlinn: im guessing the best use C++ though?
LLG: yeah I think most ppl in legend uses c++ and rust
Instafluff: generally ya, if you need the iterations for simulation
benlinn: oh i just realized i can look it up myself
LLG: yeah that's where I get my information from xD
benlinn: 90% C++, 10% java and rust
PatrickMcGinnisII: How I wish VPN worked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MwA3vatazw
Westicles: Je préfère des chanteuses comme Diane Dufresne ou comme Fabienne Thibeault
PatrickMcGinnisII: no Tatiana Shmaylyuk?
Westicles: I don't even know who they are... they made us memorize that in high school French and it never went away
PatrickMcGinnisII: Lo siento
linjoehan: lol PatrickMcGinnisII now you just name dropping.
PatrickMcGinnisII: gheesh, I'm running two trees per turn. One with learns and rests and a quick one with just casts. can't get depth
lowzhao: how to prevent timeout?
linjoehan: do it faster.
lowzhao: njoe
lowzhao: lol cool
lowzhao: i will do it faster then
PatrickMcGinnisII: I was trying to do 2 consecutive brew pairings eval instead of the single brew logic... but just can't quite get there
lowzhao: what if you just change the problem to be a double for loop?
lowzhao: and same BFS logic
lowzhao: use an array to prevent revisiting
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm depth first, i can reach 20k nodes, but everytime i try to use trim logic to get deeper i timeout
PatrickMcGinnisII: sob
lowzhao: depth first and stop and second brew?
lowzhao: at*
PatrickMcGinnisII: I can see all the available brews first occurrences, but can't reach all of the 2nd brews...some but not all
lowzhao: I think you should consider ignore some paths if its over a certain best that you already have found
kotamanegi: I agree with lowzhao, it's useless to think something like resting 10x times, just use calculation time wisely to find some better answer.
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm not usiing eval functions like yall prolly are, after i saw top bots winning games in 30 turns, I started looking at combinatorial brew pair paths
blasterpoard: PatrickMcGinnisII 30? that's a lot https://www.codingame.com/replay/508221358
kotamanegi: @PatrickMcGinnisll
kotamanegi: miss type,sorry
Csipcsirip: 26? thats a lot
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/508699473
kotamanegi: but that's timeout :D
Csipcsirip: all I can see is that I won in 6 turns, everything else is BS :p
Csipcsirip: aaand the server is completly frozen
kotamanegi: :sweat_smile:
kotamanegi: 1 hour ago solution is still 26% progress :disappointed_relieved:
PatrickMcGinnisII: running new tree without learns after turn 10 or so, does the trick ... but I have to run local to find optimal learn pathways to desired destination pairings...eww, damn php making me shortcut
kovi: i wonder if i submit now, will that finish at the end?
PatrickMcGinnisII: i don't remember, does CG recalc, or just let everything running finish?
dbdr: recalc legend
PatrickMcGinnisII: my last submit was 3 days ago
kovi: after finish i think
linjoehan: I think I may get to silver now finally!
eulerscheZahl: oh, now i know why i gained some ranks :(
eulerscheZahl: system is back, isn't it?
kovi: there is progress yeah
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/Ors61Dc
did the help just call me stupid? :D
eulerscheZahl: oh, i can't read. maybe it's right then
eulerscheZahl: my mind added a "not" to the description
Retroscilo: So I come and say hi :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: Pat() , this function is already overloaded... don't even try!!
wlesavo: blasterpoard is this a new version already?
HCCHEN: I'd like to continue working on my achievements but can't find it
blasterpoard: wlesavo kinda, it's still very inconsistent
blasterpoard: but it wins against your style of play
wlesavo: yeah, i have like 0% winrate against it
blasterpoard: :)
blasterpoard: (I'm very greedy and lose vs players who learn 6 or less spells)
kovi: cgbench should be limited to current top5....
eulerscheZahl: you mean only those should be allowed to use it?
eulerscheZahl: or only play vs them in your batch?
kovi: yeah. maybe top5-vs-top5 games only
AntiSquid: lol
LordSkaven: my hashcode code is broken so using a hashset makes my bot dumb, but using a list means I have to stop searching really early. ARRRGH
wlesavo: tough battle at the top, recalc would be fun to watch
kovi: pb4 took strong lead now
AntiSquid: rewrite LordSkaven or fix hashcode @_@
rockstar555: hii
geppoz: it is happening again :( , I pick my looses in arena, lost by my timeout, and in IDE I dont timeout at all :(
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone turn the timer off? I just dropped: total nodes = 194647
PatrickMcGinnisII: holy crap...total nodes = 208735
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh, first turn only
LLG: dang
LLG: rank 16 silver
LLG: so close
LLG: had a series of close defeats around rank 100... if I won 2-3 more I could've been gold
LLG: my winrate in 10-30 is good
Cappefra: mmm when's the end exactly?
aCat: you have timer om the top of IDE
PatrickMcGinnisII: says up top in the ide
aCat: 22h 26m
WINWINWIN: Well done PB4
JFB: Only 50 participants left to 7000 :-)
eulerscheZahl: we can do it
JFB: Everyone in Legend will add 1 smerf :-)
Westicles: How many in legend are people never heard of before?
Westicles: I guess delineate and most of the japanese
WINWINWIN: actually its only 4
MenoIy: what is the best way to know wich potion i should brew xD I suck at math...
Westicles: This is a programming site, not a math site. So I've been emphatically told
MenoIy: :(
kotamanegi: I heard tha score for potions is determined by tier-0 * 1 + tier-1 * 2 + tier-2 * 3 + tier-3 * 4
kotamanegi: Of course there's noise x for (-2 <= x <= 2)
lainislain: thats actully the price
MenoIy: ah ok thx <3
Cappefra: are there good resources for beam search? There's an article here in codingame where the GitHub link gives back a 404
wlesavo: if you have general understanding you would be fine
kotamanegi: If you want to know spells & recipe list, please look at github for info. https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
kotamanegi: @Menoly
MenoIy: thx
JFB: Am I correct that when you said beam search - you mean Breadth-first search with pruning ?
LLG: I believe so. From what I understand, beam search is a BFS that only explores n most promising nodes at every depth.
aCat: yes
Q12: How do you determine which node is worth exploring?
LLG: that's where heuristics come into play
LLG: inventory state, distance towards potions, etc.
eulerscheZahl: kotamanegi the "noise" is +1 for 3 colors and +2 for 4 colors
Q12: Thanks, maybe I will use it
Whiskee: is there anything more reliable than Stopwatch for C#? Because this is honestly getting infuriating, ticks vary too much :/
eulerscheZahl: Stopwatch is good enough
Presac: Is the distance towards potions just the ingredients missing?
eulerscheZahl: use ElapsedMilliseconds
ParticleBeam: Try only starting the stopwatch after the first input read
eulerscheZahl: and start the timer after reading the first line of input
LLG: ingredients missing, but with different weight on different tiers
Whiskee: it's what I'm using, it easily leaps forward 5ms
LLG: missing 1 blue is closer than missing 1 yellow
Whiskee: same exact loop
eulerscheZahl: CG has some problems in general
eulerscheZahl: most players use a time limit around 40ms
LLG: right now I'm only exploring inventory states
ParticleBeam: Also, garbage collector might run in the background
LLG: so I don't even exceed 10ms most turns
Whiskee: I guess it really is the garbage collector complicating things, because I'm repeating the same identical state several times in a row, same calculations, averaging 38-39 and then getting spikes of 55
Icebox: damn
Icebox: I wasted 16h
LLG: I tried playing against my own bot
LLG: and 1 of them took 10ms a turn, the other one took 11ms for the exact turn
eulerscheZahl: with what Icebox?
eulerscheZahl: debugging?
Icebox: no, with sleeping
wlesavo: lul
Icebox: :D
eulerscheZahl: sleep is never wasted
kotamanegi: @eulerscheZahi thx for info. I haven't noticed that :D
LLG: it is possible to get to a higher rank by just resubmitting without changing your code right?
eulerscheZahl: yes. but you can also drop
LLG: yeah that's why I'm afraid to do it
Icebox: volatiliy giveth, volatility taketh away
eulerscheZahl: improving your code is more reliable if you want to gain ranks
wlesavo: 50 ppl 5 gameson the start of submit, nice
LLG: I'm very close to gold
LLG: like, top 10 kind of close
LLG: so I was thinking maybe resubmitting could move me up just a little bit
eulerscheZahl: it's only to gold, still lots of room for improemvents
wlesavo: or not, dam, itis still 3 isnt it
LLG: yeah I guess I could actually write a proper BFS for starter
LLG: right now I prune all states with the same inventory state, except when I just rested
LLG: I guess I could start taking spell states into account lol
LLG: been putting that off way too long
Whiskee: I'm changing so many things at once that I don't know how to title my commits
Whiskee: best development practices out of the window
geppoz: :D same here Whiskee
Cappefra: honestly if you don't end up with some sort of spaghetti code mad props to you
geppoz: I will create a git next contest
WINWINWIN: Geppoz, dropbox is better.
geppoz: dropbox?? I mean for trace all changes, all back-and-forth ideas
geppoz: not for sharing ;)
Icebox: magine Version control with dropbox
Icebox: kappa
geppoz: oh, I didn't know
JohnCM: haha once i extended my depth to 10, my code performed worse than it was at 5
Icebox: yes, I'm being sarcastic
JohnCM: 'cause i considered multiple brews (which may not have existed by the time)
Icebox: dropbox isn't for code :D
JohnCM: icebox, how're you?
Icebox: I'm doing fine, thanks, how about you?
JohnCM: i've been trying the past two days to get into gold, but now still stuck at top 50 silver
JohnCM: i even recoded my entire python code into c++
JohnCM: which gained me 5+ depths
Cappefra: Pretty sure this is the hardest challeng to get into gold
JohnCM: that's how inefficient python is
Cappefra: it doesn't feel that way but it's so hard
JohnCM: it's hard because it's too easy
JohnCM: there's too few things you can do
Icebox: well there are people in legend with python JohnCM
JohnCM: haha i wonder what they did
geppoz: same here
JohnCM: there must be something i'm missing out
geppoz: in python I had 30ms for GC
JohnCM: wait for post-mortem to be enlightened
geppoz: it is possible to do static allocation in python??
JohnCM: memset equivalent in python?
Cappefra: It might be because of how many people there are and your bot needs to be performing well against more different strategies at the same time
geppoz: (Im newbye in python btw, but i got silver with it, before switch to c++)
Icebox: geppoz you just need to know what operators reallocate memory in python
Icebox: and then avoid those
ParticleBeam: Create a super long list in the beginning as reuse list with an index?
geppoz: that: newboards=[]
JohnCM: size = ...
buffer = bytearray(size)
JohnCM: bytearray is implememted in C
JohnCM: i think maybe that's why my code is so slow. i used lists, which is super slow
JohnCM: geppoz i think you'll be silver soon
JohnCM: i mean gold
JohnCM: wish i could be bumped up to gold overnight
JohnCM: i can win the silver boss 70% of the time already
geppoz: seems so...
JohnCM: 49th in silver now... come on
JohnCM: few more bumps will do it
geppoz: I just noticed that i was calling clock() at every explored node :D
geppoz: that was big my timeout fear :D
JohnCM: my performance actually became better after i removed pruning
JohnCM: i think i removed a few important branches
geppoz: now i call it every 16th explore and i gained one depth!
JohnCM: geppoz how many spells on average do you learn?
JohnCM: wondering if there is a sweet spot
geppoz: i hardcoded the first 6
JohnCM: i hardcorded the first 8 haha
geppoz: then it is free to learn if it finds a good reason to
JohnCM: yea.. maybe 6, then let the program decide if learning reduces number of turns
JohnCM: haha i have some ideas in mind, but very lazy to code out
JohnCM: spent the whole day yesterday coding the c++ version alr
geppoz: someone top hardcoded 8
JohnCM: my first time coding c++, took a while
JohnCM: lucky got some kind souls told me how to do struct and vector initialization here
JohnCM: so it was easier
geppoz: yeah, Im gold ;)
JohnCM: yay congrats
geppoz: ty
JohnCM: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/508832954
JohnCM: oh my algo can win yours
JohnCM: maybe i should just wait out
JohnCM: oh wait, that's a timeout
JohnCM: yours is better
geppoz: :( my timeout again
geppoz: and I was winning :D
JohnCM: very impressive code there geppoz
JohnCM: you beat me by 30 pts
geppoz: maybe you learn too much at start, so the tree is too wide ?
JohnCM: do you learn only the bottom tree, or the 2nd line also can
JohnCM: i was trying to limit my number of actions per turn
JohnCM: i have a feeling your code can reach legend geppoz
geppoz: I dont think so
JohnCM: you are doing 90+ in 40 turns
JohnCM: that's very high score
geppoz: I dont play opponent, and contest is almost over
JohnCM: that timeout though...
JohnCM: you might want to reduce a depth
geppoz: I need to add opponent, I dont think I can do it today
JohnCM: next competition then
JohnCM: just a little disappointed i can't make gold
LLG: #1 silver now
LLG: it would be great if someone were to push me up :^)
JohnCM: soon your turn
geppoz: you can get gold johncm
LLG: just take the day off tomorrow and grind your ass of :^)
LLG: you're very close
JohnCM: haha i hope so, now i'll code in dynamic spell learning
JohnCM: hope it pushes me closer
JohnCM: then maybe enemy prediction later
geppoz: enemy prediction is a big change, and it is not needed for gold, so if you just want to reach gold, i suggest not to sail for it if you cannot spend all day and night on it :D
JohnCM: ha yea
JohnCM: dynamic spell learning then
JohnCM: not much time left anyway
rockstar555: hii guys i am felling so tried
rockstar555: because i woke up all night to solve a hard puzzle
rockstar555: :tired_face:
JohnCM: did you solve it?
JohnCM: some hard puzzles i solve only 90%, the last 10% is too hard
Cappefra: same
Cappefra: I really enjoyed skynet episode 2
geppoz: I'm working on the "Nintendo sponsored" puzzle by years :D
geppoz: literally
WINWINWIN: Up all night for only 1 puzzle?
WINWINWIN: You solved like 5 last night
LLG: I'm .03 below the boss
LLG: this is intense lol
MadKnight: u got 21h to get RNG'ed into next league
LLG: I'll improve my bot after dinner
rockstar555: i solve it only 90%
LLG: even if I get to next league I still want high placement, cause my colleague is tailing me very close
LLG: and we're competing
MadKnight: oh
MadKnight: are u doing beam search ?
LLG: not really, I'm doing exhaustive bfs
LLG: but I don't take into account spell states, only inventory states
LLG: so there's only like, 2000ish states to explore
rockstar555: I have fever also
LLG: I'm doing exhaustive for me and my opponent every turn
rockstar555: last night
LLG: Siska is looking scary tho
LLG: already at #3 at just 63%
Zanoshky: guys, i use java for contest, but i lose 66ms just to read input ?? what is this?
Zanoshky: in.nextInt() for all states takes between 43 to 62 ms?
therealbeef: that probably includes waiting time for something to appear on stdin
WINWINWIN: Are you measuring time right around the input statement?
LLG: generally you want to start measuring after reading the first line
Zanoshky: i use system nanotime on start of the while loop, and at the end of last nextint()
LLG: start your timer after reading the first line
Zanoshky: sure one sec
WINWINWIN: Ok, are there any methods in that area? It could be that.
LLG: I had that problem with c# and typescript
therealbeef: they should have made this clearer in the game rules, i think
LLG: there's a couple milliseconds of nothingness between the start of the while loop and when you read the first input
LLG: not sure why, but I'm pretty certain there is
Zanoshky: thanks! works much better
Beresta: easy example would be if you end turn in 1ms and your enemy ends in 50ms - you will have a delay till next input of 49ms + whatever takes engine to evaluate both moves
Beresta: so yea, starting measuring after first input line is a good idea
PatrickMcGinnisII: still wierd stuff in output from referee
PatrickMcGinnisII: Standard Output Stream: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ede3e03d-009e-498b-9f39-b4e12bf799f0
PatrickMcGinnisII: same inventory
PatrickMcGinnisII: played against myself
Beresta: is it really same? looks like lhs has 1 more inv space free
LLG: do you have replay link?
PatrickMcGinnisII: nothing was lost, inventory not full
LLG: rip I lost a game to Orpheo
LLG: there goes my plan of getting RNG'd to gold
PatrickMcGinnisII: it computed inventory correctly
PatrickMcGinnisII: i guess player 1 had 1 more 0 ingredient
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmmm
Orpheo: @LLG same I'm betting on RNG, sorry :(
LLG: 😔
LLG: also the real question is, Patrick
LLG: how the hell did you get to 5 taxed blues
PatrickMcGinnisII: both players learned 5 turns in a row
PatrickMcGinnisII: er, hmmm,, should be even #
LLG: and yet none of them touched the bottom spell 👀
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh, learned 1 spell above
PatrickMcGinnisII: yup 5 learns per
PatrickMcGinnisII: testing differrent learn priorities
LLG: also, idk if I'm being dumb here
LLG: but isn't this kind of thing very easy to test by just looking at the game screen
LLG: you can just look at it and see if the output matches with what's happening
Beresta: I have a bunch of safety checks end of turn and throw exception if my turn is somehow invalid from expectations :D helped me to found a dozen bugs in my bot
LLG: YES!!!
LLG: RNG'd to gold
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/508856776
Beresta: gratz
Orpheo: gg
LLG: Good luck Orpheo
PatrickMcGinnisII: the game summary output is just wonky
LLG: hopefully I'll see you here soon
Orpheo: ty ^^
rockstar555: https://www.codingame.com/replay/508867520
MadKnight: there's actually 1001, LLG
LLG: 1001 for 1 player
MadKnight: oh, u want it for 2 players ?
MadKnight: but isn't it 1001*1001 ?
LLG: I'm doing it for 2 players
LLG: separately, not in the same bfs
MadKnight: ooh
LLG: I run bfs once for me, once for my opponent
MadKnight: but why ?
LLG: then extract the data that I need, like shortest path to each potions etc.
eulerscheZahl: to know when the game will end
MadKnight: and how do u use the results of your BFS ?
MadKnight: of enemy bfs i mean
eulerscheZahl: score some more points before opponent completes 6th potion
LLG: the result of my bfs is shortest path to each potion
eulerscheZahl: or end game early yourself
LLG: so, let's say, my opponent has a shorter path towards the best potion
LLG: I'll go for the next best
LLG: that kind of stuff
LLG: and yeah end game optimization also
LLG: if he's at 5 and I can't beat him to 6, I'll just stack ingredients for the endgame bonus
MadKnight: but what if he isn't going for that potion ?
LLG: well, I'm playing for worst case scenario
LLG: I think my idea is to maximize my worst outcome
MadKnight: worst case is if he's going for multiple possible
LLG: I mean worst case when it comes to the 6th potion race
LLG: worst case is if he picks his closest potion, and it's a shorter path than whatever i'm going for
geppoz: MadKnight what's 1001 ?
Orpheo: I made it also to Gold :D same code i've been resubmitting since yesterday with minor modifications ^^
MuddySneakers: Ha! Link404 timed out!?!
kotamanegi: Everyone get timed out. Even Silver Boss does.
MuddySneakers: That's the gold boss that timed out.
kotamanegi: Ya, my Link404 too lol
kotamanegi: I bet program execution time is longer than expected because of it's busy server
rockstar555: hii
LLG: geppoz 1001 possible inventory states
LLG: and congrats Orpheo
rockstar555: https://www.codingame.com/profile/1f5b0ff230728fcbcecbae143f3ae5148463604/achievements
Zanoshky: is there a faster way to sort a int[6] in java?
MadKnight: faster than what ?
Zanoshky: Arrays.sort(enemyBfsAction, Comparator.comparing(Result::getKey));
Zanoshky: this take 10MS!
Zanoshky: wtf?
Beresta: what, can't be true
LLG: sounds fishy
MadKnight: show us more code
Zanoshky: System.err.println("Sort start + " + printRoundTime() + " ms");
// Sort MIN to HIGH
Arrays.sort(enemyBfsAction, Comparator.comparing(Result::getKey));
System.err.println("Sort end + " + printRoundTime() + " ms");
Zanoshky: this is 10 ms
MadKnight: wat
MadKnight: cmon
MadKnight: obvious
Zanoshky: i am stunned
MadKnight: your timer also counts the printing time
eulerscheZahl: oh, you solved the nintendo puzzle rockstar555. i still struggle with this one. can you give me a clue what algos to look up?
Icebox: eulerscheZahl he already solved that yesterday
Icebox: you're so late
eulerscheZahl: my bad
MadKnight: try not counting the printing time Zanoshky
DerthekNagra: I am having trouble keeping the number of brews that the opponent has done in the fall challenge. Any suggestions?
Beresta: check current and prev turn enemy score, if it changed => he brewed
rockstar555: Sorry guys I am Playing
Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe
DerthekNagra: Oh! Thanks! How didnt I think of that :D
kotamanegi: Same can be said for Bonus BREW points (just a reminder)
struct: Icebox today no sleep?
Icebox: nope
wlesavo: around the time somebody should ban this cheater guy, atleast from chat
Icebox: till the end
struct: ok, maybe ill do the same
struct: But i reached my goal
wlesavo: gogo legend
eulerscheZahl: 25 turns \o/
https://www.codingame.com/replay/508887663
struct: wow
struct: my best was 31, vs a silver boss
eulerscheZahl: to be fair: lots of green+blue
struct: what strength is default ai?
HCCHEN: where are the puzzles?
HCCHEN: 1 more puzzle to level up but I can't find the puzzles
wlesavo: euler also default feeded you with some blues
VizGhar: @HCCHEN top menu -> practice ?
ParticleBeam: I'm missing something fundamental
HCCHEN: ha, thank you very much
rockstar555: hey guys what you do today
wlesavo: can someone finally ban this guy? he is really annoying
WINWINWIN: rockstar??
WINWINWIN: I`m not even sure if he's a guy or someone's chatbot...
struct: But he is a genius, he solved nintendo
struct: And managed to solve some puzzles exactly with the same code as another player
WINWINWIN: :P
WINWINWIN: But I'm sure of the chatbot theory...
struct: I think he is a troll yeah
Westicles: He's just a kid
Icebox: I'm already writing up a message to thibaud about the whole impresonation thing besides copying
Icebox: for a chat ban he hasn't done anything wrong tbh
struct: yeah
WINWINWIN: I don't think that anyone would mistake him for Euler :P so not really impersonation...
Icebox: still
geppoz: congratz struct for gold ;) I just followed you ;)
Icebox: imagine someone picks your uni, your location and your job WINWINWIN
struct: that geppoz
Icebox: wouldn't you be creeped out even if just a little?
eulerscheZahl: wlesavo 01:48PM
can someone finally ban this guy? he is really annoying
sorry, can't do. he lives next door and i'll catch a bloody nose
WINWINWIN: Yeah, its pretty weird...
Astrobytes: He's still hanging around then
Icebox: imagine the weird eye contact once you meet him in your job eulerscheZahl
Icebox: would be awkward as hell :)
eulerscheZahl: :D
WINWINWIN: :joy:
Astrobytes: lol
Westicles: Like a sitcom... euler, meet your new boss
Astrobytes: Hey, Westicles. did you change your pi digits puzzle? I swear your first solution was even more amusing
Astrobytes: *contribution
eulerscheZahl: it got too many downvotes
eulerscheZahl: so he changed it to add even more digits
Astrobytes: hehehe
Icebox: ah, classic
Westicles: The first one was awesome, but everybody hated the unicode. Now everybody hate it because too much math
PatrickMcGinnisII: too many hairs in your pie?
Astrobytes: 3rd time lucky: use both
PatrickMcGinnisII: er pi?
eulerscheZahl: just create a clash of code where you have to add up ASCII values. higher chance to get it approved
Astrobytes: lol, sadly true
Westicles: And thanks to icebox BTW for the algorithm. I never would have dreamed a million digits in a half second is possible
Icebox: <3
aCat: what's the cod elimit length??
Presac: I wonder, how do you write and test your code? Personally, I write in vs code and copy it to codingame then run it there, but is there an easier way testing?
Westicles: 100k characters. some unicodes count as 1char, some 2
PatrickMcGinnisII: Westicles using gmp.h is cheating, GMP in php is disabled in CG last time i checked
Q12: Can someone help me? I am trying to use Stopwatch in C# to measure the time so I will be able to escape my recursive function before the time for the time end. But for some reason it doesn't work I checked with stopwatch.ElapsedMilliseconds how much time I have and it says 0 so I didn't escape the recursive function and then CG told me that I didn't provide input in time. what is the problem?
ParticleBeam: Did you use stopwatch.Start()?
Beresta: garbage collections is a usual suspect
WINWINWIN: I don't know about the stopwatch, but there's another way for time
Q12: yes ParticleBeam
WINWINWIN: DateTime dt = DateTime.now;
Westicles: I'm not implementing my own scientific programming package that will get rejected anyway just to avoid using gmp
WINWINWIN: time = (dt - DateTime.now).TotalMilliseconds;
WINWINWIN: now in capitals both times.
Q12: thanks WINWINWIN, I will try this
WINWINWIN: np
AllYourMCTS: what about stopping like 2ms before you hit the time limit? it takes some time to return from all the recursive functions and output
aCat: is it better / faster than stopwatch?
Beresta: no
eulerscheZahl: stopwatch is the way to go in C#
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, last submit...I'll be sleeping when challenge ends
WINWINWIN: Euler is stopwatch faster?
WINWINWIN: Because there is object creation in DateTime?
Westicles: Do you think CG would put a couple wordlists in the sandbox for use in word puzzles if I asked? Can think of any other way to get at them
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm really surprised I've been hovering around 1000th place for 3 days
Westicles: *can't
eulerscheZahl: i don't think there's much of a difference. but when the standard library has a component specifically for that task, use it
Beresta: there might be a difference on precision, as stopwatch uses high precision cpu timer, not sure about datetime tho
Beresta: also datetime might have bigger overhead because it has a looooot of formatting, etc, capabilities
Astrobytes: guess you'd have to ask them to find out tbh Westicles
Westicles: Then I will secretly embed 2 million digits of pi
Astrobytes: hahaha
eulerscheZahl: maybe you can give the wordlist via stdin in an SDK contribution
eulerscheZahl: and just use some javascript to completely remove the viewer if you don't need it
Westicles: well I was thinking a scrabble optim, so that would work
AllYourMCTS: sanity check... you can't cast a spell that gives you an excess of ingredients right?
ParticleBeam: i believe so
eulerscheZahl: for scrabble you can have a viewer
aCat: AllYourMCTS nope
Westicles: yeah, it would need to look decent. It would end up being offline though
eulerscheZahl: http://azspcs.com/Contest/AlphabetCityLight
Westicles: That's it exactly!
eulerscheZahl: oh, you got 4th
Astrobytes: nice!
Westicles: Well, this one
Westicles: http://azspcs.com/Contest/AlphabetCity/Standings
Westicles: I did them manually and came in 3rd
aCat: when you resubmit you always start from the bottom?
eulerscheZahl: how long are you on CG now aCat?
aCat: ew years
Astrobytes: manually :D
aCat: but at the beginning I didn;t do much
aCat: I should knoiw this behaviour?
Astrobytes: Probably :P
eulerscheZahl: your submit always resets your score
eulerscheZahl: so in legend you start at the 2nd-last place
eulerscheZahl: right above the deleted emil.
aCat: I was pretty sure some time ago the first matchmaking depends on you previous position
eulerscheZahl: that's RAIC
WINWINWIN: Do you ever have battles with the deleted Emil.?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Westicles: They all look like this. Got to get double triples on three words
Westicles: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0ec36cab-c613-4a66-a31b-ce8be0cbc36c
eulerscheZahl: instant win as emil times out in turn 1
Astrobytes: when is RAIC btw?
eulerscheZahl: next week, got delayed
Astrobytes: oh?
eulerscheZahl: they had problems with their sandbox or whatever
eulerscheZahl: as dbf mentioned yesterday
WINWINWIN: But Emil as negative TrueSkill, so winning against him would have a negative impact on you?
Astrobytes: I missed that
Q12: Can somebody help me in private with the implantation of Stopwatch in c#? for some reason I can't make it
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/Ml4alHQ
eulerscheZahl: RAIC preview
eulerscheZahl: read first input
Stopwatch sw = Stopwatch.StartNew()
eulerscheZahl: while (sw.ElapsedMilliseconds < 40) do stuff
eulerscheZahl: Console.WriteLine(action)
Astrobytes: hmm, racing or fighting I wonder
Q12: thanks, I am trying now
eulerscheZahl: maybe both?
Astrobytes: They didn't email this time? I can't find anything
Astrobytes: true
eulerscheZahl: and your geometry for collisions will be exactly defined, not just a block or sphere
eulerscheZahl: (i don't know anything but at RAIC nothing surprises me anymore)
Astrobytes: hahaha, you're not wrong there :D
Valdemar: Astrobytes organizers said that it will be strategy game, with buildings and unit production
eulerscheZahl: i didn't get an email either
eulerscheZahl: just dfb on the chat and someone on their discord
eulerscheZahl: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610464993883848725/779803527584677898/2020-11-21_23.20.43.png
Astrobytes: Oh I see Valdemar, thank you
eulerscheZahl: we had that 2 or 3 years ago already?
eulerscheZahl: with the hamburger tshirt
Astrobytes: 'CodeCraft" - clue in the name I suppose
eulerscheZahl: that's about the only thing i can read
Valdemar: eulerscheZahl yes, but it was just battle without resource management
AllYourMCTS: what is RAIC?
WINWINWIN: Russian AI Cup
JohnCM: thibaud rank 2 now in silvr
JohnCM: haha
LordSkaven: So annoying I lose most of my games by 1-3 points
JFB: eulerscheZahl - so it is official web page for RAIC 2020? (I newer received tshirt (I win 2 times) so I play only for fun)
JFB: ;-)
PatrickMcGinnisII: gratz [CG]Thibaud
PatrickMcGinnisII: just jumped
Astrobytes: into gold I presume?
**PatrickMcGinnisII nods
struct: yes
Astrobytes: cool, hey struct, well done :)
eulerscheZahl: sorry to hear that JFB
struct: thanks Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Legend today struct?
struct: Doubt it
eulerscheZahl: i'm only waiting for the last one from 2019. they gave a like where i had to enter shipping details just 1 or 2 months ago
JFB: question: do Gold boss is random? Usually bosses have not been random (=not deterministic) but when I play with gold boss I have different result every time
struct: Oh I just remember that if I want to get legend
Astrobytes: think it's the timeout/timing issues JFB
Valdemar: JFB it is undeterministic unfortunately
struct: I need to beat dbd
JFB: eulerscheZahl - OK so maybe I have to wait :-)
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/508929069
Astrobytes: timing instability so search cutting out at different times = different result
struct: Got 1 but I think I need to be faster
JohnCM: maybe monte carlo tree search?
JFB: OK - thanks Astrobytes Valdemar
JFB: So it is a bit a pity that Gold boss is not replaiyable. So probably I have to find sb deterministic near top of the Gold and optimize o win with him ;-)
**PatrickMcGinnisII zzzzzzz
MuddySneakers: I'm not sure you're going to fine all that many folks who are deterministic near the top of Gold.
JFB: True
Adi28: hello!
Adi28: anyone know how do add the ccompany logo ?
eulerscheZahl: i think only codingame staff can do so
emh: number of matches in Silver increased from around 80 to 100? great! more time to climb to boss hehe :)
eulerscheZahl: unlikely
eulerscheZahl: just more players submitting at the same time
struct: Anyone has any idea, why I get this error on brutal tester?
struct: ERROR [com.magusgeek.brutaltester.GameThread] Problem with referee output in game1. Output content:WARNING: sun.reflect.Reflection.getCallerClass is not supported. This will impact performance.
eulerscheZahl: so you get these extra matches duing your submit
emh: ohhh
emh: in that way
geppoz: eulerscheZahl about inserting logos in company and school, there is someone to ask for?
eulerscheZahl: thiabud
eulerscheZahl: thibaud
Mohammadmh: hi
JohnCM: lol it's so hard to get into gold
emh: JohnCM true true
[CG]Thibaud: thx PatrickMcGinnisII
emh: I've been struggling for days
[CG]Thibaud: was difficult!
JohnCM: i'm hovering 50-100, still have 60% more games
JohnCM: and i beat the boss now 80% of the time
JohnCM: my AI is improving
JohnCM: but so are the top 100 silver ppl
struct: 6977 players euler prediction was on point
emh: my best was rank 1 in Silver, but that was a few days ago
emh: now I'm around 50
JohnCM: man.. you should have risen up back then
JohnCM: now it's much harder
emh: yes
Mohammadmh: چه جوری کوه رو حل کنم
struct: English please
eulerscheZahl: with that prediction i'll quit the cristall ball business :)
eulerscheZahl: crystal*
Icebox: eulerscheZahl predict my final rank
Astrobytes: hm? Contest participants?
Mohammadmh: what are solve the mountian pazzle
struct: 30th
Beresta: any way to make codingame less laggy / more responsive? annoying to wait several secs each time I get back to browser :(
dbdr: push eulerscheZahl push! :)
Mohammadmh: in payhon
Astrobytes: close the IDE window often Beresta
eulerscheZahl: am i losing to you dbdr?
dbdr: 3-1
Mohammadmh: 3
dbdr: and same rank
Beresta: Astrobytes you mean refresh page? or is there any way to close IDE? :O
eulerscheZahl: where do all these paython programmers suddenly come from?
dbdr: in legend?
eulerscheZahl: i'm slowly getting frustrated about the contest.
eulerscheZahl: no, PAYthon
JohnCM: euler you in legend alr?
Astrobytes: Beresta: close it completely and open in another tab, I think it's pixi that crashes the tab after a while
eulerscheZahl: yesderday someone wrote that on chat
JohnCM: lol paython
eulerscheZahl: today again (well, payhon, close enough)
Beresta: hm I see
Icebox: rockstar wrote that yesterday
AllYourMCTS: paython?
dbdr: payathon
Icebox: he always wrote "paython"
eulerscheZahl: yes JohnCM, legend
Icebox: xD
Mohammadmh: penis
JFB: One move to late: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/508939587
JohnCM: it's probably a paid version of python
eulerscheZahl: floating around rank 20 which is the tshirt bar
Astrobytes: papayahon
JohnCM: congrats euler! you're doing great again
Icebox: refrain from using foul language Mohammadmh
eulerscheZahl: too late, he got kicked and can't read it anymore
Icebox: :D
Icebox: yeah I type to slow
JohnCM: one day i'll make it to legend
eulerscheZahl: thanks JohnCM
Icebox: there goes "warning first"
eulerscheZahl: weren't you legend last contest?
JohnCM: nah i was gold only
struct: I needed to warn?
JohnCM: didn't break the speed barrier as i was using python
struct: sorry lol
struct: I think he knows the cause
Icebox: no you don't I guess
Icebox: yeah
eulerscheZahl: general guideline: warn -> kick -> ban
Astrobytes: I think no warning is fair when someone just types something like that ;)
JohnCM: but now things have changed, i am using c++ now
Icebox: euler just did a rundown for me
eulerscheZahl: in extreme cases you can skip 1 or 2 steps
Icebox: how modding works
Icebox: :D
JohnCM: but still struggling to get gold lol... it's not the program, it's the algo
eulerscheZahl: i switched to C++ too
eulerscheZahl: sadly necessary this time
JohnCM: yea.. c++ needed for greater depths
JohnCM: 57 and 50% more battles to go.. come on, let me win more
JohnCM: oh yea.. rank 44 now
BrunoFelthes: WoW, a Java in 4th, nice... I was trying to be the best java... but 4th will be impossible
eulerscheZahl: obviously it is possible
BrunoFelthes: I have no much more time
JohnCM: lol
Csipcsirip: dont worry pb4 is mid submit. so he's only 5th
Icebox: remember, paython is in legend :eyes:
BrunoFelthes: @eulerscheZahl for me ...
JohnCM: i'm really curious how the python code made it to legend
Astrobytes: The Power of Payhon
JohnCM: what legendary heuristics did he/she use
JohnCM: watching my rank rise is like watching the stock market
Astrobytes: stonks
Icebox: funny story
JohnCM: oh i'm in the 30s now
JohnCM: rank 36:)
Icebox: there was a hackathon in Kosice, slovakia
JohnCM: this is a new record
Icebox: like a couple months ago
eulerscheZahl: thrilling story :popcorn:
Icebox: and couple weeks before the start they announced you couldn't participate live there
Icebox: because of covid
eXhaustedUA: JohnCM are you cpp? :)
eulerscheZahl: oh, the one where you qualified for?
Icebox: yeah yeah
eulerscheZahl: and you paid traveling expenses
Icebox: yeah the same one
Icebox: :D
Icebox: long story short
Icebox: I didn't want to burden my team
Icebox: because the plan was to work together
BrunoFelthes: eulerscheZahl, how many nodes are you visiting?
Icebox: but they were already together and me in germany
Icebox: so I worked alone
eulerscheZahl: about 150k
BrunoFelthes: wow
Icebox: and demotivated by the fact that I don't have a team I made a troll submission called "Stonks"
Icebox: about stock market and fund management
Icebox: that got 5th place :D
Astrobytes: Did it win
Astrobytes: LOL
Astrobytes: brilliant
BrunoFelthes: funny history, when i increase the deep of my algo, the algo perform worst... I'm visiting +- 10k
Icebox: https://devpost.com/software/stonks-14y6n3
eulerscheZahl: my c# was around 50-60k nodes
BrunoFelthes: what is the deep?
eulerscheZahl: 15-20
Astrobytes: well played Icebox. Did your team get a placement at all?
Icebox: #1 :(
Astrobytes: lol, well, some consolation at least
BrunoFelthes: but, do you consider, some how, the new brews?
eulerscheZahl: no
BrunoFelthes: so, what is the point to get 15-20 deep? because with 10-15, 3 to 5 brews will go away...
SirLoxley: how do you get that many nodes?
My BFS (with heuristics) hardly generates 500 and then I have seen it all
eulerscheZahl: hm, i could try a wider beam and see
Icebox: BrunoFelthes because if your inventory state is good enough you can reach any potion in 2-3 moves
BrunoFelthes: that is my point Icebox, at legend, you and your opponent, so, with 15 turns, there is no brews anymore, so, why to calculate 20?
Csipcsirip: most games last 30-40 turns
BrunoFelthes: yes...
Csipcsirip: so thats the point of 20 depth
eulerscheZahl: maybe i should switch to chokudai search
chokudai: XD
eulerscheZahl: oh, hi
BrunoFelthes: Csipcsirip are you using what deep?
chokudai: hi
eulerscheZahl: i still remember your 1 day till legend in the last contest
Csipcsirip: fix 15. and yep, im using chokudaisearch btw :p
BrunoFelthes: what is chokudai search?
eulerscheZahl: fixed depth, dynamic width
struct: https://twitter.com/chokudai/status/713979313377255425
eulerscheZahl: a bit like beam search bit changing the static and variable thing
eulerscheZahl: but*
BrunoFelthes: i think that i am using it
BrunoFelthes: i'm not sure what is the width
Nerchio: so at the start you go depth then width?
Nerchio: or smth like this
eulerscheZahl: yes
Csipcsirip: iterative widening :p
BrunoFelthes: I do i with width 0
BrunoFelthes: what width do you use?
Losh531: hi
Csipcsirip: with width 0 this algo does nothing
Presac: From when exactly do I have 50ms to do what I want in the fall challenge?
Csipcsirip: I increase the width after every iteration.
BoBot: could it be described as DFS with max_depth? or am I missing something
ClockSort: Presac from first readline
eulerscheZahl: after reading the first line of input till the print of your action
ClockSort: ^
BrunoFelthes: why the width is important at chokudai?
Presac: Thanks.
eulerscheZahl: less time checking with higher width
BrunoFelthes: i will try to add width 1
BrunoFelthes: are you using 1?
JohnCM: i like that term. iterative widening
Csipcsirip: I start with width 1 and increase it after every iteration
Csipcsirip: not sure if its the good why or i should set it to something like fix 50
JohnCM: what C++ function can i use to time?
JohnCM: like to stop the loop when time is up
geppoz: elapsed=(clock()-beginTime)*1000/CLOCKS_PER_SEC;
geppoz: this is my noob one
geppoz: but it works
Csipcsirip: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1dc41ac6-1a08-4bab-ba5e-68db0ca03fbb
eulerscheZahl: clock() has some precision issues i think. at least i had problems with it in the past
DomiKo: https://ideone.com/nQQQa8
here ChokudaiWidth never change :/
DomiKo: ohhh
DomiKo: never mind
eulerscheZahl: csipcsi just modified it. is that allowed?
JohnCM: thanks euler
Csipcsirip: no, i did not! I copied from somwhere else :D
Nerchio: so you guys change the width parameter in the whole search
Nerchio: but maybe it could be based on the number of potions done in the game? the more the wider you go instead of deeper
Csipcsirip: dont think it matter much tbh
JohnCM: ok i got it
JohnCM: the clock thing
JohnCM: how is it possible that the boss is not dropping for silver!
JohnCM: pretty sure he lost many battles against the top 100
JohnCM: just like me
eulerscheZahl: but also won a lot
eulerscheZahl: and stronger players get promoted
Presac: Poor boss. Never have a chance to be promoted
AshKetchum: JohnCM, here is a class I wrote after watching reCurse's stream
AshKetchum: https://pastebin.com/uQqj4sza
AshKetchum: Usage:
Timer timer;
timer.start();
while (timer.isElapsed(0.04)): // 40 ms
JohnCM: thanks, basically functions to start clock and check time elapsed
AshKetchum: yes
LLG: wow I really need to improve my bot
JohnCM: yup got it!
LLG: I lose to ppl in gold 80-90% of the time
JohnCM: haha this competition is mad
JohnCM: how do people even code so efficiently
AshKetchum: don't call isElapsed in every iteration, call once in say 200 or so iterations
JohnCM: ok
SirLoxley: I would love to get there first ... is it possible to win against the silver bot without using that 1s calc time upfront?
LLG: wdym 1st calc time
LLG: like preprocessing stuff before 1st turn?
SirLoxley: yep
LLG: if that's the case I never did it
LLG: and still made it to gold
SirLoxley: because I don't so far
LLG: I just do regular bfs
LLG: heuristics go a long way
Nerchio: i will donate $5 for better CG servers
Nerchio: where can i do that
Nerchio: :D
fermeaux: And what is the goal of your bfs ?
struct: 1st doesnt matter much imo
LLG: my bfs at the moment find the shortest path to each recipe
LLG: then try to maximize points/turn
LLG: unless 1 player is at 5 potion then I maximize for the endgame
LLG: depending on the situation (both at 5, me at 5, opponent at 5)
fermeaux: interesting
wlesavo: Csipcsirip did you finish your minimax? :slight_smile:
hbouillo: Hey:) Is there anyone here doing MCTS? If so, would you mind sharing your rollout rate per turn?
LLG: I thought about MCTS but decided against it since it sounded like a lot of work
LLG: especially considering I didn't know what it was prior to this event
AllYourMCTS: i'm just doing random depth 1 rollouts
AllYourMCTS: but im not doing full game rollouts with all the actions, so not sure what rollout rate would tell ya
Csipcsirip: I have 1 ply "minimax". working on some more serious stuff. not sure if i can finish it, wlesavo
hbouillo: Same, but seeing my BFS didn't go past silver, I turned towards it :D
hbouillo: @LLG
hbouillo: I see @AllYourMCTS
LLG: if anyone fought against me earlier today in high silver, or right now in low gold
TheTenYearOldPanda_57c0: why i can't move the pod on coders strike back? can someone teach me?
LLG: I put some emojis in the commands so analyzing matches become a bit less boring
LLG: c:
wlesavo: Csipcsirip i see, nice
reCurse: 394 computing :D
SirLoxley: I have spiced up my commands with curses from the fakir fight of "Asterix and the Magic Carpet"
SirLoxley: Pushan turn you into an old goat!
geppoz: lol, better from "monley Island"
geppoz: *Monkey Island
SirLoxley: yeah had that one first actually, but it didn't quite fit to these sisters
aStar: =.= hey golds, which algorithms are you use?
SirLoxley: you fight like a dairy farmer ...
struct: aStar bfs
ClockSort: aStar bfs
aStar: wow
Icebox: damn you use astar?
Icebox: :D
Michael_Howard: @LLG my console is full of them. Makes it much more intuitive to follow what's going on.
aStar: =.= i just use depth-limited search
aStar: i can't reach gold
ClockSort: usually silver bfs just have fewer sims than gold bfs
ClockSort: i am running 100k-150k sims, depth around 8-10
aStar: wow
ClockSort: and in c# :laughing:
aStar: my depth just only 4 =.=
LLG: @Michael_Howard I just put them on the chat bubble since I can't be arsed to look at the console unless I'm debugging something
LLG: when I'm just analyzing my bot's playstyle I rarely check the console
Nerchio: 412 results found for «Score - Computing»
aStar: @Icebox i can't find a heuristics
Counterbalance: struct, did you get pushed or made an improvement? I knew you'd pass my bot once in gold :)
struct: I got pushed Counterbalance
aStar: @LLG
eulerscheZahl: no waking up without gold
yhyoxx: :)
eulerscheZahl: the boring version of "no sleep till legend"
aStar: @LLG anh ơi anh work team nào v ạ
struct: I had script to run the alarm only when I got gold
Counterbalance: really? :)
aStar: haha
struct: nah, but maybe an idea for next time
struct: Should I use all my threads for brutaltester?
struct: or is not ideal?
aStar: have anyone used A*, minimax, or alpha-beta prunning?
Counterbalance: you'd definitely need to patch the cg engine for that.. I recommend leaving at least 1 or 2 threads free..
struct: ok thanks
struct: I only managed to make it run on windows :/
LLG: @aStar I'm still in my probationary period in Viacar
ZarthaxX: Csipcsirip you are top 10 with some kind of 1 ply minmax??
ZarthaxX: you kidding me
Astrobytes: hey Zarthy
eulerscheZahl: on top of high depth chokudaisearch
Csipcsirip: ^
ZarthaxX: ahhh ok, all good
LordSkaven: Ok so I found my problem with my BFS the best path it could find was 217 turns long lol
ZarthaxX: hey astrobyto :*
Skynse: dfs or bfs?
Skynse: oh
Skynse: "breadth" first search
LLG: very broad, indeed
Astrobytes: I don't know whether to continue trying to speed-write my sim + search or just leave it
yhyoxx: same
yhyoxx: 17 hours
LLG: in my case working on heuristics gave me much better results
yhyoxx: do ur best it's gonna be over soon
LLG: I'm doing 4k sims per turn at best
Astrobytes: I got to silver with just a reflex agent but I reached a "fk it" point lol
yhyoxx: same
LLG: I reached silver with a super scuffed bfs
LLG: decided to rewrite my entire code
LLG: it became a less scuffed bfs, lol
Astrobytes: I didn't even bother doing a bfs lol, been lacking motivation this time
Nerchio: well advancing from gold is impossible now unless you have godly bot
LLG: my goal is only high gold anyway
LLG: first time experiencing some kind of competitive programming so I'm not aiming too high
LLG: I'm happy with mid-high gold
Samer: LLG what are you using to store the ingredients?
yhyoxx: i just wanna leave silver
LLG: uhh... just an array of 4 integers
LLG: the regular way, I guess
yhyoxx: i think what i need to beat the boxx is a good choice of potions to target
Samer: and to store spells and potions? lists or arrays?
yhyoxx: predicting the opponent
yhyoxx: vector<Action>
LLG: I use lists
LLG: I honestly don't care that much, since I'm not duplicating the whole list anyway
yhyoxx: cool
LLG: so performance is not a huge issue for me
Samer: dump the lists, use jagged arrays, you're likely to double your sim count
Samer: at least that was the case with me
Astrobytes: alright, afk for a bit, making bread and spaghetti
LLG: my sims are fast
LLG: I just don't do a lot of sims
yhyoxx: hmm
LLG: well, not exactly fast, just not slow lol
Icebox: how fast is "not slow"?
Samer: 4k sims per turn?
LLG: I'm only doing around 4k sims per turn, but I rarely exceed 10ms a turn anyway
Icebox: that's extremely slow :D
therealbeef: :D adding one forgotten reserve() halved my running time
Icebox: 400/ms
Icebox: others get 40k/ms
Icebox: so I'd say that's slow
Samer: you wanna go extreme, store all 4 of them in an int and use bit shift
AllYourMCTS: is that 40k/ms number with both players until end of game?
LLG: I mean it's still 5x faster than my old scuffed bfs so I'm happy with it
AllYourMCTS: or just 40k single action applications/ms?
Icebox: depends on the person you ask
Icebox: I'm just giving numbers
LLG: I'm sure there are a lot of ways I can improve my sims but sim count isn't my focus right now
Icebox: the implementations are different
Icebox: the numbers are similar
LLG: I do use bit shift, just not for ingredients
Samer: LLG i actually agree with you
Samer: 4k sims got me in gold too
LLG: I just a bit field to store my spell states
geppoz: uh oh, just notice I forgot to increase the rewards on lower tome spell when I learn >0
Samer: because i optimized other aspects
LLG: (castable/not castable)
geppoz: *lowers tome spells
LLG: I use* a bit field
Samer: llg
Samer: best optimization i made was choosing the right tome spells to learn
Samer: and that's still a work in progress
LLG: mine's really simple as well
LLG: I look at bottom 3
LLG: if there's a free spell (no negative delta) I grab it
LLG: else I grab whichever one has the best value
LLG: most of the time I just grab the bottom one cause it's free
Samer: best value, or best value to your existing spells? ;)
geppoz: I suppose you didn't see the Euler epic: "learn just to pay dat tax" :D
LLG: actually forget about that
LLG: I scrapped all of my learning heuristics a while ago
LLG: just realized it now when I looked at my code
LLG: right now I'm just grabbing all-positive spells in the bottom 3
LLG: else I grab the bottom 1 til I have 12 spells
geppoz: it was something really
Icebox: that happens hella often tho
Icebox: as in
Icebox: that's really important to have
Icebox: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/509019850
Icebox: 26th turn
Icebox: learn to discard allowed me to fill inv
geppoz: nice :D
geppoz: I potentially also have that, but never noticed if I used sometimes
eulerscheZahl: but check turn 26 of this https://www.codingame.com/replay/508887663
Icebox: :D
BrunoFelthes: wow
BrunoFelthes: fastest game ever?
BrunoFelthes: my AI with the same seed get 27 turns
BrunoFelthes: :(
JohnCM: wow euler your inventory is almost full all the time
JohnCM: max efficiency
BrunoFelthes: why do you draft 5 tomos eulerscheZahl? Any rules?
eulerscheZahl: tomos?
BrunoFelthes: learn
eulerscheZahl: no fixed rules here
BrunoFelthes: humm
eulerscheZahl: oh no, Magus submitted
that was my reference if i'm improving or not
kreo: hahaha
Magus: :D
BrunoFelthes: maybe you will gain something
eulerscheZahl: magus put back the old version!
Magus: wow ... submits are ... very slow
eulerscheZahl: almost staff ping slow again
eulerscheZahl: i mean sunday staff ping
kreo: I thought the mot reliable way to tell if you are improving is to play ~100 games against the old version
BrunoFelthes: because the blind draft will help with the current brew and the new randons.. I just dont know the best balance
Michael_Howard: Is there a way to have the codingame web IDE show 2 windows of your code with changes trasferring?
eulerscheZahl: too much rock paper scissors for self-play
eulerscheZahl: and 100 isn't taht much
kreo: I bet you don't play 100 games against Magus, do ya?
eulerscheZahl: a diff between bot versions? no
eulerscheZahl: i don't
eulerscheZahl: i click the yellow button
eulerscheZahl: and then wait 2h
struct: im doing around 1k is that enough
kreo: And what if after 2h you see that you haven't improved or even lost quality? What do you do to debug?
eulerscheZahl: 1k what? submits?
LLG: lol euler flexing on us
LLG: with that 25 turn game
rmuskovets: looks like the submits situation is getting ok
rmuskovets: there definitely is a problem with my code
Nerchio: kappa?
eulerscheZahl: to be fair that was mostly blue+green. 25 frames but low score
rmuskovets: I timeout too much :((
eulerscheZahl: some timeouts are normal, CG has problems
rmuskovets: I mean nearly 80% of my games are 0-turn because I timeout
ClockSort: that's too many ;)
rmuskovets: yeah
rmuskovets: I'll consider rewriting to another language
rmuskovets: Kotlin seems like a good choice
LLG: I just tried that seed
LLG: Link404 won against me in 37 turns, 95 to 44 lol
LLG: I still have a long way to go
NinjaDoggy: :O I got pushed to legend overnight
NinjaDoggy: I was like 2.5 pts away from boss after submit dang...
NinjaDoggy: thx ryzen! :D
NinjaDoggy: Risen*
struct: grats
NinjaDoggy: nice, you made gold too!
ToshiTuringMachine: that red timer...
struct: 17 hours lets go
eulerscheZahl: good news NinjaDoggy, now you don't have to delete your account
NinjaDoggy: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: wait till it starts blinking toshi
NinjaDoggy: dw i have some sick improvements today
NinjaDoggy: gonna be top 20 ;)
eulerscheZahl: you have some sick confidence at elast :D
ToshiTuringMachine: this contest really destroyed my self esteem. still in silver fighting timeouts
struct: rank 1 or delete /ss
ZarthaxX: lmao
MadKnight: only one account stays on CG after the contest ends
ZarthaxX: not everybody is like u structo
struct: This time I had to set goal lower
struct: No way I can get legend in this contest
ZarthaxX: hahaha :P
ZarthaxX: coward
geppoz: 1st in Italy or delete here :D
LLG: did Errichto cancel his stream today?
LLG: he should be live right now right?
struct: yes canceled I check on his stream now
struct: "[canceled] CodinGame Day 4 - Legend League"
LLG: rip
kovi: maybe legend was too hard for him? (just jking)
LLG: I was thinking maybe I could get some ideas from watching it
LLG: but I guess I'm on my own now
ZarthaxX: kovi he is in silver
ZarthaxX: maybe he didnt like it
struct: he was 2nd and did not get pushed :/
ZarthaxX: yeah, i saw that, multiple times
ZarthaxX: super sad
wlesavo: chokudai is still not in legend, that is surprising
struct: lets go
struct: time to stat
rmuskovets: is rewriting from typescript to kotlin worth the time?
MenoIy: Its me or no one is getting out of the silver ?
Cappefra: My theory is silver is so crowded it's really hard to write a bot that does well against bottom mid and top silver
Cappefra: but it's more likely that I simply suck
MenoIy: true and sad :(
casmith789: I managed to just get out of silver yesterday but it required a lot of optimisation
MenoIy: I'm getting out of ideas :/
ZarthaxX: running out
dreadylein: same, the boss is slightly boosted by the submits but if you win consistnely against him you get out
Nerchio: come on bot
Nerchio: you can do it
MenoIy: Im winning against him like 80% of times but Im stuck at the mid
Nerchio: just one time lucky pls :D
DomiKo: yes you can!
Nerchio: i probably jinxed myself
Nerchio: that was a bad idea
jrke: are battles slow?
Nerchio: yeah since 2 days
Nerchio: :D
delineate: does anyone know how the end of the contest works? are all scores reset before the final set of games are played or not?
Icebox: just for the top players
NinjaDoggy: the scores are kept i believe
NinjaDoggy: as the starting point
jrke: just for legend they had megarun for 500 battles
Icebox: well yeah he's right, the scores are kept but the code is resubmitted
struct: but score starts where you end up
struct: If you have 25.00 when rerun starts you start with that score
delineate: ah, I see. interesting, thanks. and it's using a trueskill for the score? (so at the end, everyone's variances are set high like a fresh submission (but with the current means? or is it something else))
struct: variances are kept I think
eulerscheZahl: yeah, increasing variance an 1000 extra battles
struct: oh i was mistaken
struct: I never reached legend so I dont know :(
eulerscheZahl: i should look into trueskill again, how do you call the confidence there?
eulerscheZahl: increase sigma for recalc
delineate: okay yeah cool. was trying to understand if there was a disadvantage to submitting late (as your variance will be higher than people who submitted earlier), but it sounds like that isn't the case
wlesavo: legend soon will exceed ooc numbers, but the contest is far more popular
rmuskovets: my code timeouts far less often now, yay!
struct: already 60 in legend
struct: damn
rmuskovets: looks like I got a OK-ish bot now
rmuskovets: at least I'm not the worst in bronze
ParticleBeam: Why does nothing work...
Kiat: so many submit for silver now...
Kiat: system lag again
MadKnight: really?
rmuskovets: doesn't look like it lags for me
MadKnight: they mean the submits
rmuskovets: I know
Kiat: BATTLES IN PROGRESS 46%
Uemu: Ye I'm stuck after the first 10 matchs
Kiat: stuck for 20mins
Kiat: silver boss getting beat to positino 9 now
rmuskovets: I won't sleep 'till my battles are done... this makes me happy - I'm in the top 1000 *in bronze* for the 1st time
rmuskovets: *knocks on a piece of wood*
MenoIy: Get me out of silverhell pleassse
dreadylein: grats :)
Uemu: I wanna get out of silver tooooo, end my first contest in gold
Samer: will this game be available later for play?
Illedan: Yes
Samer: great
wlesavo: especially with pm wisdom
jrke: did c++ got broked on submission?
jrke: all timeouts just on resubmits
Samer: it's funny when you change your code to make it smarter and less random, you submit and lose 100 ranks :) i guess randomness can be useful sometimes
Apologize: how can i prove i'm not a bot
LordSkaven: Ironicly, by coding a bot Apologize
geppoz: next contest: a bot that outputs code for another bot :D
geppoz: input: minigame rules
geppoz: wow not bad uh?
Apologize: so cool
dreadylein: so General Game Play Competion ? :P
Zenoscave: NLP time right geppoz
eulerscheZahl: lateGame = Players[0].SamplesFinished < 2;
well done me
Icebox: huh, samples
Icebox: what is this, C4L
Zenoscave: lol Icebox
struct: Icebox submit already
eulerscheZahl: using c4l terminology in the contest :D
Icebox: but I did struct
Icebox: only testing the sim alone but I did submit :3
eulerscheZahl: when gold?
Icebox: probably this submit, if not I'll submit same sim with different params
Icebox: I need to finetune sim without all the other logic so that I can debug clearly
Icebox: sim = eval I mean
struct: I think current 1st on silver
struct: will go straight to legend
kotamanegi: Really? GoGo!!
eulerscheZahl: defaultAI is submitting and ranked above you Icebox
Icebox: sick
Icebox: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
MadKnight: default too strong
MadKnight: too icy
jrke: icy was first at one moment
MadKnight: not enough icy
miszu: how's everyone doing?
yhyoxx: terrible
miszu: the sound of defeat
Samer: pretty good here
miszu: I went into UTTT
miszu: Samer how's gold for you?
eulerscheZahl: getting frustrated
Samer: i'm not making progress in gold.. my silver code is still better than the "improvements" i made today
Samer: i got plenty of ideas, but not enough time to execute
ClockSort: i just had a breakthrough after adding 4 major features that worsened my bot.
Beresta: yea same stuff, my current gold bot is still worth than the one that carried me into gold :D
Rounddice: I don't understand why my old code performs the new one by so much
ClockSort: making your bot worse is a common hobby, it seems :)
Beresta: but I've rewrote it completely from heuristics to beam search
Beresta: potential is there
wlesavo: Rounddice it can be lucky submits also
ClockSort: sometimes a new submission takes a long time to rank up to where it belongs, so it seems worse.
Samer: not when you lose the first 15 battles :D that's a pretty good sign you belong in the bottom
Samer: i'm sticking to my silver code for now
NinjaDoggy: what exactly is default AI?
NinjaDoggy: do they pick someone's code to be default AI?
ClockSort: yeah i think so
ClockSort: and ironically they were named Default.
ClockSort: in gold they're named Link404 which really confused me
NinjaDoggy: I know that bosses are picked from someone's code
NinjaDoggy: but idk about default AI(the bot you have by default in the highest divison)
JFB: ClockSort - sb can think it is strange type of hobby - spend Sunday writing worse version of your bot. But it really look so it is my hobby too ...
struct: Gold is not deterministic right?
struct: Gold boss*
JFB: It look so
JFB: *looks
struct: I think I really need to add pruning
miszu: s it not wrong that it is true that
miszu: Is it not wrong that it is true that the gold boss is not deterministic, correct?
JFB: Is it true that it is not wrong that it is true that the gold boss is not deterministic, is it Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: tankers spawn with 1 water
ParticleBeam: This statement is false.
rmuskovets: > is it true that it is not wrong that it is true that ...
miszu: my history teacher in a multiple choice exam made a joke question with that statement but in French.
Astrobytes: 2 hour submits...
rmuskovets: wow, rank 466! I've never been so high
miszu: grats
rmuskovets: ty
miszu: I am 1946
miszu: top 2000
rmuskovets: in what league? I'm 466 in bronze
Astrobytes: oh, he means overall
miszu: oh sorry I mean overall
miszu: across all league
JFB: At first I think that you are from 1946 :-)
JFB: 1946 year
sadakatsu: I have long thought that the solution to statements like, "This statement is false," is to implement a rule that any assertion that reflexively refers to its own evaluation should be inherently false.
miszu: Hi all, I came from 1946. How's 2020?
JFB: So far great :-)
rmuskovets: go to 2019. the grass was greener, trees taller, etc.
ParticleBeam: Suddenly all oscillators stop working
JFB: covid?
struct: Ok I need to submit soon
struct: and hope I get pushed
miszu: which league are you?
NinjaDoggy: yea pushing is pretty important
struct: gold
NinjaDoggy: i got pushed 2.5 points
JFB: It is 14 hours to the end - so 7 submits :-)
geppoz: struct you aim to legend now? :D
struct: Ill try, but its not really a goal
Zenoscave: I left my debug time limit in my last submit
emh: I've given up on Gold
ParticleBeam: Bah. My rewrite fails miserably.
emh: staying in Silver
rmuskovets: NinjaDoggy 2.5? do you mean rank?
Zenoscave: 45M ms
NinjaDoggy: no, 2.5 points lol
struct: lol
NinjaDoggy: i was 2.5ish points away from boss after submit
Zenoscave: turns out that's too long
NinjaDoggy: and got pushed up to legend XD
rmuskovets: I actually thought 2.5 was the rank
struct: ok im gonna add enemy now
struct: then prune
Zenoscave: prune first
Zenoscave: Enemy is high gold/ legend
JFB: Yes, prune first.
Zenoscave: Been telling you that for days lol
JFB: My bot with added enemy works worse
Zenoscave: 2 days exactly
struct: True
struct: But 2 days ago I rewrote
rmuskovets: 14hr 43mn left, I hope I'll not get lower...
struct: :p
Zenoscave: :P i see
struct: Ok I cant be in chat or I lose focus
struct: Cya
Zenoscave: Bye struct
Zenoscave: glhf
struct: u2
ZarthaxX: 7000 participants
ZarthaxX: :O
rmuskovets: yeah, that's a lot
struct: very nice
struct: congrats to cg
Zenoscave: struct leave chat!!! You need to focus
struct: sorry
BrunoFelthes: 7k participants, and servers are stucked :(
Zenoscave: Yeah My submit gets 1 battle a minute or 2
miszu: how slow are sumissions?
BrunoFelthes: 4 hours i think
Zenoscave: 4 HOURS!?
BrunoFelthes: my submition 2 hours ago is at 50%
miszu: do you think the deadline will be extended?
Zenoscave: Will the extend competition if it takes too long? They've done it once
Astrobytes: no
BrunoFelthes: for sure no
Zenoscave: drats
kotamanegi: For sure no
Astrobytes: have they? Oh well, maybe, who knows
Zenoscave: I believe it was the locam sprint. but I can't recall.
Zenoscave: but it was a severe situation so most likely no
Astrobytes: don't think they extended that did they?
Astrobytes: All I know it was a clusterfk :D
Zenoscave: it was something. Cant remember which one been so long
Astrobytes: wow, submits from around 3:40-ish still going
Nerchio: in legend?
BrunoFelthes: CG should have a paid version for a faster submision
particleflux: mine from 4:30 in bronze also still running, seems like I'm gonna end up *right below* the boss -.-
Astrobytes: yeah Nerchio
Nerchio: nope
Nerchio: dont jinx me
Nerchio: i was already here 2 submits ago :D
k7n: i losing on submit because my code is timing out and when i rerun the same battle in the ide it doesn't timeout
geppoz: usual in these days...
k7n: I already hamstrung my bfs by shaving of 3 ms but it's still happening at least 2 out of 10 battles at the moment
k7n: c'est la vie, i really had fun with this competition even if I'm only silver
Beresta: damn, scoring is hard
LLG: I just realize something is not right with my points/turn heuristic
ZarthaxX: wat :P
LLG: let's say I can brew a 20 points potion in 5 turn, and a 8 points potion in 3 turns; the first 2 moves for both paths are the same
LLG: technically the 20pts is better, because 20/5 > 8/3
LLG: but after 2 moves
LLG: it becomes 20/3 < 8/1
Zenoscave: I tried telling this to you last night ;)
Zenoscave: Harmonic sums weigh revers
Zenoscave: reversed
Q12: So how can solve it? @LLG
Q12: I am doing exactly like you and I suspected there was a problem in it, Love to hear what you will do :slight_smile:
theycallmedavid: Don't forget where did you start from
dbdr: that start eulerscheZahl :+1:
Zenoscave: there's two options both are viable but meh
TC9792: dont change it if you already have a target potion?
Zenoscave: *3 options ^
wlesavo: euler coming for top1
ParticleBeam: Add the existing game step counter to your depth value?
wlesavo: dam sorry for ruining perfect submit euler :smiley:
Zenoscave: no just total points / total turns
or sum(order.price * pow(1.0-discount, order.turns) for order in order)
eulerscheZahl: :D
Zenoscave: discount should be very very small
Zenoscave: but greater than zero
eulerscheZahl: is urgency bonus worth adding to the sim?
eulerscheZahl: seems unreliable with opponent interfering
Csipcsirip: dont think so
ParticleBeam: Isn't it already included in the price?
Zenoscave: That's why their both meh
eulerscheZahl: ParticleBeam for later potions when you remove one with bonus
ParticleBeam: Ah ok
SabertheLost: wow takes 1 hour to play all battles now
eulerscheZahl: only 1?
eulerscheZahl: you must be in wood
dbdr: What did you do eulerscheZahl? :)
ZarthaxX: sit tight and wait :)
eulerscheZahl: rage repush an old version
Csipcsirip: ichyo submitted almost 3 hours ago xd
dbdr: really? :D
ZarthaxX: frustrated toad?
eulerscheZahl: yes ZarthaxX, i'm pretty much done with the game
ZarthaxX: you got what you wanted toad, it's fine right? :D
eulerscheZahl: i want that tshirt
dbdr: again?
ZarthaxX: you got many..
dbdr: is there a new one?
wlesavo: my version that got to #6 yeasterday cant reach 30 now. also tryed to rage push that one couple of times :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: i don't think so
eulerscheZahl: :(
eulerscheZahl: it's just that i haven't won anything in 2020
LordSkaven: you have won my admiration euler :heart_eyes:
eulerscheZahl: codejam? nope
kotlin heroes? yes but retour to russia
eulerscheZahl: RAIC? no tshirts this time
eulerscheZahl: oh, nice LordSkaven. this will totally keep me warm in the winter :D
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Icebox: Zenoscave the total turns vs total score is tragic, no hate <3
Zenoscave: what do you mean tragic?
Zenoscave: only love Icebox
Icebox: imagine you're in late game (turn 45 or 44 or something), you have 30ish points and have two options
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl go do ctfs and change the topic :P
wlesavo: MichaelPu gratz!
ZarthaxX: Icebox wassup bro
Icebox: 10 score potion in 1 turn or 11 score potion in 2 turns
Icebox: according to your "total score/total turns"
Zenoscave: I prefer to use the discount version
Icebox: the 11 in 2 is better than 10 in 1
dbdr: count time from the previous potion
Icebox: so if the formula fails on such easy cases imo it's not that good :D
Zenoscave: I agree
Q12: so which formula do you suggest?
Zenoscave: I was giving options to solve the harmonic sum
Icebox: ZarthaxX not much I was gonna change a couple of variables in my code, but you know the moment you change ABSOLUTELY nothing in your code but next time you test it the neighbors house is on fire and your code segfaults?
Icebox: something like that
Astrobytes: and Zeno did state they were "meh"
Zenoscave: meh is right
BoBot: thinking that you need to keep going for the bigger one sounds like a fallacy..
before you started both targets were in risk of being stolen by the opponent, now only one of them is risky... the ordering must not stay the same throughout the turns
but I might be wrong about this - and I am sure there are many cases where we still want to go for the bigger one
ZarthaxX: LOL
Zenoscave: Still don't know a non meh
Astrobytes: looking good so far euler
Zenoscave: sshhh don't jink
Zenoscave: jinx*
Astrobytes: only another 3 hours to find out
eulerscheZahl: i expect it to rank around 20-25
Astrobytes: not gonna argue, all your predictions have been 100% this contest :D
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: 1 out of 1
eulerscheZahl: wait, i predicted Neumann legend
Astrobytes: sure there was something else too
Neumann: You also predicted a 1.5 ratio
wlesavo: 7006!
Neumann: 2 out of 3
Zenoscave: 1.5 ratio?
Neumann: When he converted his code from C# to C++
wlesavo: another eulers prediction become true
Zenoscave: Ah right
Neumann: 2/3 predictions right, and 0 promises honored
Zenoscave: did he promise to eat a hat
Neumann: He said he was going to congratulate my legend promotion. He didn't
Astrobytes: Shocking!
Zenoscave: how rude Euler!
numb3r5: what does it mean when it says "pod 1 of player waits for it's engine to reload"
eulerscheZahl: you weren't online when i saw you promoted, sorry
Zenoscave: Is csb disabled right now?
eulerscheZahl: congrats for reaching legend. i'm not even remotely surprised taht you did
eulerscheZahl: typing in teh chat is getting laggy again
Neumann: Thanks euler, appreciated
Astrobytes: Yeah, congrats from me too. Since we're congratulating :D
Presac: Why does actions take longer in the arena than when testing?
Zenoscave: congratz Astrobytes
Astrobytes: congrats Zenoscave
Astrobytes: actually, I'll take that. I thought I'd stay in Bronze.
Astrobytes: Nothing quite like suddenly getting motivated at the *end* of the contest :/
Astrobytes: Where's robo this time around?
Zenoscave: lol Astrobytes penultimate peril
Astrobytes: hahaha
LLG: Zenoscave what does this do?
or sum(order.price * pow(1.0-discount, order.turns) for order in order)
MadKnight: Zenoscave did u share your code?
Zenoscave: MadKnight on accident I pasted the top ~1/4th
eulerscheZahl: robo around 4k it seems. that's unusual for him
MadKnight: fixit
Zenoscave: Nothing but the spells were shown. same as Deck.jav
Zenoscave: Java*
eulerscheZahl: usually a safe candidate for legend
Astrobytes: yeah, maybe he's busy or just didn't like it
MadKnight: write a virus that deletes top-1/4th code fromeveryone's PC
Zenoscave: LLG waiting makes a potion worth less. but only exponential decay
Astrobytes: smits was busy and also low level
eulerscheZahl: he's online. let's ping RoboStac and ask him about his contest performance
Zenoscave: not linear
Astrobytes: lol
Michael_Howard: My bot gets to about #150 in silver without doing any repeatable casts yet - how far can I expect to go up when I add it?
MadKnight: smits is busy he doesn't play the contest much
Zenoscave: I'd say gold
eulerscheZahl: gold++
MadKnight: #149 ? Michael_Howard
Zenoscave: is it that close silver to legend?
MadKnight: at least
eulerscheZahl: legend will be hard, that needs some more bells and whistles than just repeatable spells
Michael_Howard: Oh, and I get about 16 nodes without serious crashing, that's the 2nd next thing I need to sort :)
AntiSquid: next contest should be about optimizing leaderboard submits @_@
Michael_Howard: scoring is fast but sim has bottleneck
Astrobytes: profile + optimise
Michael_Howard: Got to do all the low hanging fruit that might require a brain before it gets to midnight & all-nighter time...
MadKnight: people are in legend with python
LLG: @Zenoscave
from what I understand, the
order.price * pow(1.0-discount, order.turns) decreases the recipe value by amount of turns to reach it
LLG: what does the sum do?
Zenoscave: adds all the completed sums together
Zenoscave: depends on how you track orders brewed ig
LLG: so I'm essentially calculating distance towards all recipe
LLG: right?
Zenoscave: no just ones you complete
LLG: oh, like the completed ones
Zenoscave: yup
LLG: gotcha
LLG: I calculate all of those post-BFS
Michael_Howard: If I can get Swift into legend I'll be so happy :)
Zenoscave: not optimal but it should help
LLG: so I don't have a list of completed potions
Zenoscave: do you track current state's score?
AntiSquid: 2 people MadKnight
AntiSquid: are in legend with py
LLG: I do
Zenoscave: add a decay score to track for sorting in bfs
LLG: oh wait
LLG: I don't track every states in the bfs, just the root state lol
LLG: my bfs only does 1 thing, get shortest paths towards every potion
LLG: all the heuristics comes after BFS returns
Zenoscave: and not second or third potions?
LLG: all 5 potions actually
LLG: I scan all possible inventory states, then get the shortest paths towards the states that can afford each potion
Zenoscave: smart.
LLG: also Zenoscave, by "discount should be very very small"
LLG: how small are we talking
Zenoscave: .005-0.1
LLG: I'll try playing around with those
Zenoscave: But I've never found a good value that always helps
LLG: any reason why you prefer it to total points / total turns?
Zenoscave: Icebox had a good example
Zenoscave: 10/1 > 11/2
Zenoscave: end game points matter more
AllYourMCTS: total points / 2 * total turns, fixed!
Zenoscave: lol AllYourMCTS
BoBot: count turns starting from the end of the game *taps forehead*
LLG: I have a deterministic solution for endgame scenario (either player at 5 potions)
LLG: if I'm at 5 I'll rush the closest potion that gives me higher score than my opponent
LLG: if they're at 5 I'll try to rush a potion, or stack ingredients if I can't rush any fast enough
miszu: LLG, if your AI is russian add the Rush B option
ANGGEL: hi
AntiSquid: what's the reference miszu
LLG: it's a csgo reference
miszu: AntiSquid in counter strike game, in dust 2 map russians always rush into B site when terrorists
miszu: it's a popular reference among gamers
AntiSquid: was never a fan
miszu: :P
AntiSquid: nice improvement Rounddice, become the Edgelord !
AntiSquid: seriously, congratulations on 3rd place
ClockSort: it's getting hard to climb, everyone else is climbing too!
miszu: which league?
ClockSort: or at least, that's what I blame my slow progress on :)
Nerchio: <legend> :)
Astrobytes: :eyes: eulerscheZahl tho
miszu: you guys too good
DomiKo: GJ
aCat: Grat Nerchio
Zenoscave: I'm still waiting for emil's comback
ClockSort: congrats to all Legend players -- it's a great achievement!
AntiSquid: chodu kai entered the LB
AntiSquid: 1 day legend again?
Astrobytes: well done Nerchio!
eulerscheZahl: oh, looking better than i expected so far
ClockSort: I'm #50 Gold, really trying to make Legend in the next 13 hours
miszu: good luck ClockSort
Nerchio: thanks wasn't so easy to enter legend with java tbh
miszu: with java?
miszu: ouff
AntiSquid: oh gratz nerchio
Nerchio: im impressed with vala nice results with java
Michael_Howard: All this talk about rushing potions at the end... why aren't people rushing potions all the way through? Serious question.
Nerchio: wala*
miszu: why you kept with java and not c++?
AntiSquid: he likes java
ClockSort: thanks miszu
Nerchio: i was in the middle of rewriting to C++
Nerchio: but saw wala smashing to the top in java
Nerchio: so decided to keep going
Zenoscave: Michael_Howard which is better 15 points now or 20 points in two turns
eulerscheZahl: potion rush empties your ingredients
Zenoscave: that's why
Michael_Howard: @zenoscave ah I see what you mean. Thanks.
eulerscheZahl: with no ingredients you take more turns to recover
Michael_Howard: Another good point. Thanks.
AntiSquid: poor daiver :(
AntiSquid: was rooting for him
mde_deus: hey I need some help with chess board analyzer, how should I make it so the checkmate is identified?
Samer: eulerscheZahl did you manage to fit spells and potions into an int32? this is killing me, i can't figure it out
NitMpez: yeah... I'm trying to come up with ways to push higher... but i can't come up with a good heuristic to do a beam search so still stuck at around depth 8 and unfortunately I rush potions which seems hit or miss, looking to adjust my scoring to handle differently
Samer: i seem to be 2 bits short
eulerscheZahl: onl the inventory part of them
eulerscheZahl: which spells i have is more than 32bit
Samer: yes that one's easy.. i can even fit the price, but still need 2 bits for castable and repeatable
Samer: i guess it's impossible
LLG: I guess I'll submit, watch it for a bit then go to sleep
eulerscheZahl: i guess i could do a little writeup of my storage after the contest. the rest of my bot really isn't worth writing about
Zenoscave: Also how you modify to get a new state needs to be considered. Samer
LLG: it's already 3am for me
LLG: I need to wake up at 6:45
wlesavo: Nerchio gratz :slight_smile:
Nerchio: ty :D
DomiKo: good start in legend
Zenoscave: more operations but smaller storage isn't always optimal
Stilgart: gg Nerchio
Nerchio: i will grab my spot at the bottom of legend :joy:
Zenoscave: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
kovi: yeah, pm will be boring mostly
Zenoscave: TIMEOUT
eulerscheZahl: i need very few operations for my inventory
Samer: Zenoscave is have fast routines routines to sum 2 inventories and other operations, one liners
eulerscheZahl: i know a little of what pb is doing. that could give an interesting read
Zenoscave: and number of instructions/cycles in this?
wlesavo: kovi i bet python pm's would be helpful
eulerscheZahl: but 20 times "i used beam search and through thousands of simulations steps at the problem", meh
Q12: @mde_deus check if the king is attacked and if so then check if he can escape, if he can't then this is a sign that there is checkmate.
Nerchio: i want to know how wala can be in top legend with java :D
Astrobytes: I'm interested in the more unique approaches, seems there are a few
Zenoscave: By being better than bottom legend
elderlybeginner: I have a feeling that I set wrong objectives. And I have a feeling that I started to understand what to go for. Bit late to start it over again :joy:
ClockSort: relevant username
Zenoscave: .com
wala: Nerchio arrays and primitives mostly
eulerscheZahl: how many sims do you get?
wala: I don't know but but i think the evaluation is rather important in this contest
Nerchio: yeah my evaluation is average at best
Nerchio: well i use arrays and bitset and was getting even 200k nodes but it wasn't very useful so i changed to beamsearch and well.. 30k nodes maybe and up to depth 15
Nerchio: kinda bad compared to other languages :D
pb4: How many people here have tried to see how their rank is impacted by the number of simulations they get ?
Zenoscave: o/
Zenoscave: My sims greatly impact my score
pb4: Was it impacted much ?
eulerscheZahl: my answer: not that much after some point
Zenoscave: That means my eval is probably inadmissible
wlesavo: pb4 i did for montecarlo, 5-15k were almost the same, but this is mid gold
eulerscheZahl: to some degree you can counter a worse scoring with more CPU power. but there are limitations
pb4: eulerscheZahl : same answer for me. Can't see a real difference between 30k sim and 150k
wlesavo: my opp prediction is 1k rollouts mc, it seems to get all the losses right
NitMpez: really depends i guess... kind of like nerichio mentioned, only gets 30k with beam search but the extra depth is more important...
kovi: for mc it did matter
for beam it is not
without enemy prediction depth over 10+ has diminishing return
wlesavo: same, i only have around 20k unique nodes,
NitMpez: I can't wait to hear what people did for their heuristic on the beam search to get to that depth... everything i implement seems to get to same depth or i just do worse
Nerchio: i only predict enemy ending 5 turns
Mike-yerG: hey all! Just a quick question: I'm just using actionId to brew, but once one of us brew that id my witch will still attempt to cast it. Doesn't my actionId refresh each cycle?
AllYourMCTS: it only refreshes after you use the Rest action
wlesavo: Mike-yerG you probably dont clear your storing right
Mike-yerG: I'm new to all this so it would make sense I'm doing something wrong haha.
Mike-yerG: would setting actionId = 0 after each brew do the trick?
miszu: so I wrote my UTT game engine without testing it. 200 lines of code. Time to see if it will crash when playing random moves
Counterbalance: 37m before the timer starts flashing
Astrobytes: lol miszu, you really did give up on the contest :D
miszu: *insert 24h tv series sound effect*
NitMpez: i'm almost there
miszu: Astrobytes, yeah yesterday I realised I don't have enough time to finish writing my game engine and do bfs
miszu: I started the competition half way through
dbf:
Mike-yerG, just read everything from input on each step. All spells are provided to you in correct state
Beresta: and I'd stuck in optimizing my heuristics full day today... seems like the more tunes I do the worse it becomes :D
geppoz: my initial idea was to start with values: 1,3,5,7 for ingredients, then change them every time I learn a recipe that make it different
miszu: next competition I would start right away in C++ and write my game engine from beginning
Mike-yerG: oki I'll recheck everything.
miszu: if you have a correct game engine, the rest is "easy" to test different strategy
geppoz: so when I learn [-5,0,+3,0] the weight of 3 drops
Astrobytes: miszu, I didn't do much due to lack of motivation until yesterday, now I'm motivated and don't have time to finish my sim never mind search :D
Astrobytes: Trying to pick some low-hanging fruit and fix some bugs in my crappy reflex bot
miszu: motivation is important haha. I find the applying moves to your game engine quite complex. Lots of corner cases to handle
eulerscheZahl: wlesavo https://twitter.com/chokudai/status/1330547405268295680
Astrobytes: hahaha :D
Zenoscave: lol
Astrobytes: wlesavo you are now Big In Japan
ZarthaxX: LOL
ClosetAI: Is chokudai even trying? Maybe he will come back in last hours. Maybe even Psyho comes back.
Zenoscave: Psyho I doubt.
Zenoscave: But he could
eulerscheZahl: he tweets about slow servers and that he wants to go to bed
pb4: Psyho ?
ClosetAI: Psyho complained about TCO finals but that was like 5 days ago
eulerscheZahl: chokuda i
kotamanegi: Chokudai does.
eulerscheZahl: now you pinged him
elderlybeginner: this red color for timer is kind on annoying :unamused:
Zenoscave: I have an improvement that increases my w/r against myself by about 20% with like a 1% loss rate increase. Wondering if I should resubmit
ClosetAI: Chokudai is doing the 24h thing that he did last time I think
eulerscheZahl: elderlybeginner it will start blinging soon
Astrobytes: slow servers kinda ruin the last day
eulerscheZahl: use the browser developer tools to remove it
Zenoscave: I agree astro
kovi: wow, iehn won topcoder marathon final
pb4: STOP THE COUNT !!!!
Zenoscave: no pb4. not again
AntiSquid: :D
Zenoscave: I can't take that anymore
Astrobytes: lol
AntiSquid: contest the results if choku beats you :P
eulerscheZahl: i made that joke before
eulerscheZahl: https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/711887567590654013/776528048312025179
Zanoshky: pb4 congrats!
Zanoshky: would like to hear any advice if youd like to share some?
Zenoscave: win matches
eulerscheZahl: git gud
Astrobytes: lol eulerscheZahl, do you save your jokes for handy reference? :P
struct: I tried pruning it was a fail
struct: I go for my 2nd attempt
AntiSquid: man what's with the snail pace submits Q_Q
AllYourMCTS: winning is just magic
eulerscheZahl: discord has a search bar at the top right
Astrobytes: I knowwww
Astrobytes: struct: Time for a Prune Array
eulerscheZahl: but write it in paython
AntiSquid: but but ... that would actually make sense for once !
Zenoscave: what's a prune array?
Astrobytes: *Payhon
ParticleBeam: An orchard?
Zenoscave: more ceg memes?
Astrobytes: Ask ceg Zenoscave
eulerscheZahl: the thing that makes GAimax faster
Astrobytes: :D
Zenoscave: thought so
eulerscheZahl: astro yesterday it was paython.
AntiSquid: what was the matrix meme Astrobytes ?
eulerscheZahl: you missed that i think
Astrobytes: Ah yeah, I did euler
Astrobytes: AntiSquid ?
Astrobytes: for ceg?
AntiSquid: in his own words
struct: Today I felt the pain of playing vs myself
AntiSquid: something about cost matrix ?
Zenoscave: struct what's that pain like ;)
Astrobytes: Oh god, yeah
struct: not fun
struct: I think I failed my first attempt of pruning
struct: But im going to try again
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: When he had the 'payoff matrix', pb4 asked him about it I believe
Zenoscave: gl struct
AntiSquid: pay off matrix is a real thing, just don't remember ceg's words
struct: Still have 12 hours
Illedan: Nice pb4, pure luck?
Astrobytes: Yeah I know what a payoff matrix is, but ceg had very far from a payoff matrix :D
pb4: It'll go down, but stay in top 3
ClosetAI: Agade is still in queue
pb4: Normally...
AntiSquid: it's like submits get slower by the minute .
eulerscheZahl: but this time you can't win a starwars toaster
Zanoshky: pb4 do you always program in c++? Do you see any benefits from other langs?
AntiSquid: the canvas is okey
AntiSquid: sort of
miszu: I am using the rand() function in c++ but always give me the same value when I restart the game
pb4: Zanoshky : don't know other languages
NitMpez: need to srand it
Astrobytes: srand() - call srand() if you must use rand()
eulerscheZahl: miszu use srand(TIME(null))
NitMpez: set your seed
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: hahaha
miszu: thanks guys
Zenoscave: too slow
eulerscheZahl: or was it time(NULL)?
Zenoscave: time(NULL)
Astrobytes: srand(time(NULL))
miszu: for MCTS what's your favorite random function?
Zenoscave: lol
Astrobytes: or 0
Astrobytes: same thing
dbf: miszu, fastrand
eulerscheZahl: xkcd rand
Zenoscave: time(0) == time(NULL)??? i thought they were different
ddreams: NULL == 0
ddreams: so
eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/221/
very fast
Astrobytes: I use a xorshift
Zenoscave: oops duh
dbf: very fast, very random
BrunoFelthes: I only add the urgency bonus at my code now
AntiSquid: isn't that automatically included?
BrunoFelthes: for future turns
struct: Well if you want to sim
Icebox: ok I'm gonna do what I never like to do
Astrobytes: sleep? :D
dbf: rewrite in c++?
Icebox: chat pls help C++ blows my mind I'm lost Q_Q
Nerchio: personally i didn't bother implementing taxbonus for spells or urgency bonus in my simulation
Nerchio: but maybe taxbonus could've been a little useful
Icebox: dbf no I'm in gold with c++ already
miszu: just read that rand() generates same randon numbers... that's not random!!!!
struct: whats wrong Icebox?
Zenoscave: it is. random on input. not output
BrunoFelthes: i think that in legend any little thing can make difference
struct: it is random
struct: but it has default seed
Icebox: calling q_ptr->front() on a queue crashes struct
eulerscheZahl: i have the tax return. but don't add tax to new spells when i learn
eulerscheZahl: and no urgency bonus either
struct: I dont use queue sorry
AntiSquid: check if q_ptr == NULL ?!
struct: I use plain old array as my queue
MrSok: you should seed it with a timer
Illedan: Is adding Learning to the search good enough as addon? :thinking:
Icebox: neither the ptr is null nor the queue is empty AntiSquid
Illedan: Wonder if I should try to wing adding it as a last effort
eulerscheZahl: you don't have that?
Illedan: Nah
**eulerscheZahl slaps Illedan around a bit with a large fishbot
Astrobytes: miszu: start here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xorshift
Illedan: Didn't bother
NitMpez: i don't have the depth for it
Illedan: Ok eulerscheZahl
Illedan: I'll do it
Illedan: FINE
AntiSquid: what ... i added it
Zenoscave: do you mean learning midgame?
NitMpez: been trying to get my depth lower to add learning
Illedan: You had me and slaps
AntiSquid: didn't do much i guess
Zenoscave: or beginning
BrunoFelthes: Illedan yes at the early turns
eulerscheZahl: nice, random drift to top10
i'll go to bed before i drop again
Zenoscave: gn euler
NitMpez: gl
Illedan: Oh, BrunoFelthes. You don't do that on later turns?
Astrobytes: gn euler, and best of luck :)
Illedan: Intersting :thinking:
dbf: gn euler, good submit :)
miszu: so many different ways for randoms
BrunoFelthes: i do, but i think that it do not do much difference
pb4: Illedan : what does it mean "add learn to the search" ?
miszu: I mean.. I am not creating new encryption algorithm
Zenoscave: pseduo-randoms*
Icebox: okay antisquid it might be NULL but this doesn't make sense
miszu: just something decent for MCTS
miszu: yeah pseudo
Icebox: if (q_ptr->size() > 169500) {
std::cerr << "U " << q_ptr << " " << &(q_ptr->front()) << std::endl;
}
struct: pb4 learning psells from the tome
eulerscheZahl: ille LEARN also helps to your your inventory and get free space for some spells
Icebox: oh cmon
Icebox: no pastebin
Illedan: hmm
NitMpez: he learns first part of the game but not after
dbf: miszu, what language do you use?
miszu: c++
BrunoFelthes: Illedan when you learn, you have more resources when new brew appear
Astrobytes: Yeah miszu, they're good rng's
miszu: does the random function matters that much in MCTS?
NitMpez: also have more cases to search :P
miszu: I just want A random move
BrunoFelthes: so, if you have same result with learn and without learn, with learn is better at the long run
Illedan: pb4, just using Learn as part of my simulation. Now I have it as a separate part
Illedan: True
dbf: miszu, after some performance tweaks you can get more sims with switch to some faster rng
wlesavo: Astrobytes lol im trending :smiley:
Illedan: 2 hours should be enough to add something that might work :D
Astrobytes: dbf: that's why I linked the xorshifts
dbf: but at the beginning just use one from standard lib
miszu: okay thanks dbf
miszu: I am in silver in UTTT
Astrobytes: lol wlesavo
struct: ahahaah
struct: I cant believe
struct: I dont believe thiis
miszu: so if I want to use rand() I should call srand() followed by rand() everytime correct?
NitMpez: ?
struct: this is my apply Aciton
MrSok: yup
NitMpez: no
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/41276ce2-a0b6-4c01-926a-b4efe1f670b8
struct: anyone sees anything wrong?
NitMpez: you should do srand once at the start of ur program
AntiSquid: why miszu
Astrobytes: no, once per execution miszu
struct: this is too good
NitMpez: srand(time(null))
miszu: right once
miszu: as long as it's different everytime
NitMpez: then your rand seed will be different every time
struct: Astrobytes check and see if you can find the bug
MrSok: srand(time(null)) this is much better
Icebox: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0da9ac75-7050-439f-b7b6-9447efba13f6
Icebox: so that code AntiSquid
Icebox: gives
Icebox: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/faa5a4cc-736e-407b-9939-b040fe4748f4
Icebox: I don't understand how it can compare size of pointer
Icebox: but can't cerr it
Icebox: this is black magic for me I swear
NitMpez: srand(time(NULL)) just in case since the null cap matters
miszu: ok thanks it worked
miszu: sorry for my noob question
NitMpez: its ok... i've been stuck in the same spot for the last couple of days...
struct: So my bug was that when I brew, I didnt discount ingredients
struct: ...
MrSok: np everyone is making noob questions when reaching a new target
Tyir: wait a minute, Icebox gave up on Python?
NitMpez: yeah that will make a difference
Icebox: I switched to C++ on saturday last week Tyir :D
theycallmedavid: Too weak
NitMpez: my funny thing is.... i overwrote my enemy predictions and sad thing is... i did better with my garbarge enemy preduction than i do with my actual one
Tyir: you've betrayed all my expectations, before it was pure heuristics, then you gave up on that. now you gave up on Python
wlesavo: struct so you brewed by pure magic, no ingridients involved?
Astrobytes: sorry struct, just looked. You didn't take off the cost from your inventory?
struct: yes
struct: I didnt
AntiSquid: (void *)ptr Icebox maybe ?
struct: and got me to gold :D
Astrobytes: lol
struct: new strat
AntiSquid: cerr << (void *)ptr <<
NitMpez: gratz
Astrobytes: Having similar issues fixing my bugs
wlesavo: easy gold
struct: Time to see now if this was a feature
struct: lol
Astrobytes: You'll find out in 2-3 hours :P
AntiSquid: not sure if &ptr works either
wlesavo: skipping ingridients when learning with near full inventory was a fun one
AntiSquid: woah barely top 100 silver .
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 pass me a bucket of motivation
Automaton2000: yeah, i've seen that one
Astrobytes: I wish I'd had the motivation earlier in the week. Ah well. Contests always a fun time anyway
wlesavo: Astrobytes did you liked the game after all?
AntiSquid: would have preferred this as pure optimization contest of sorts instead of the tiny extra bits here and there
Astrobytes: Yeahhh up to a point wlesavo, it's not my favourite, but it's alright
BrunoFelthes: if you cast the 4 t0 spell, with only 3 free spaces, the movement is invalid, or you can have 3 t0?
AllYourMCTS: invalid
Astrobytes: ^
Astrobytes: if total exceeds 10 it's invalid
Zanoshky: how do you guys predict enemy movements? I use java and barely do 7 node depth search with timeouts
AntiSquid: stick to 20ms Zanoshky
AntiSquid: and prune massively
BrunoFelthes: i predict only 5 enemy turns...
Zanoshky: how to enfroce prune?
Astrobytes: if (tooBig) prune;
miszu: when you create new object in c++, does int members have value 0 or garbage value?
Astrobytes: (sorry, just joking :) )
Zanoshky: A prune is a dried plum of any cultivar, mostly the European plum. :D
AntiSquid: just leave at -1 what you can't predict :
distances 0: 5 3 2 5 3
distances 1: 1 2 -1 -1 1
Astrobytes: depends if you initialise them or not miszu
miszu: the default constructor
miszu: I have no constructor in my structs
AntiSquid: can have garbage value, depends
Zanoshky: do you also take into consideration learning a spell which might be used down the tree branch?
Zanoshky: because i always timeout if i include learning
Astrobytes: You can either make a constructor to init to 0, set them to 0 as default or zero them when you need them - depends on usage
miszu: yeah so if you simply declare member int with no initial value, it will take garbage value when you create an object
Zanoshky: does anyone uses a star in this contest?
Astrobytes: Undefined, it might, it might not
AntiSquid: hard to ask 7k participants that question :P
theycallmedavid: I try to build death star
miszu: Members of class types have no default values in general case. In order to for a class member to get a deterministic value it has to be initialized
miszu: that answers my question
Astrobytes: Wait for PMs Zanoshky
LordSkaven: so my optimized BFS and A* bots are still being beaten by my own weird search bot that I wrote on Tuesday and has no optimizations FML
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/509283176
Astrobytes: miszu, if this is regarding MCTS nodes be careful with initialisation as it can be costly
struct: So many at the same time
struct: Almost everyone in legend submiting
struct: except 1
miszu: Astrobytes, ok yeah thanks for the headsup. I am aiming for correctness for now
mojojojo: are the submits still slow?
AntiSquid: paint drying speed
Astrobytes: Be prepared to throw everything at optimisation miszu, correctness be damned :P
mojojojo: just what i wanted to hear
Icebox: okay AntiSquid
Icebox: this is even more bizzare I swear
Icebox: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/39514bd7-4677-4f45-a717-934cf9b685df
Icebox: this code
Icebox: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f8945c1d-0783-4f6b-ae85-8b7d2a9de382
Icebox: this output
Icebox: so literally after calling the function again
Icebox: the the pointer go to shambles
Icebox: does*
Icebox: absolutely nothing happens inbetween
wlesavo: Astrobytes lol that totally desribes my overflowating hash function
AntiSquid: isn't q_ptr supposed to give same result there if nothing happens in between ?
Icebox: it does
AntiSquid: do you use new when you create objects ?
Icebox: I use Emplace
Icebox: which creates the object in the queue directly
Icebox: I assue no new needed there
miszu: Astrobytes is optimization important to reach gold? :O
struct: for uttt?
struct: no
Icebox: I meant absolutely nothing happens between cerr U and cerr S
Icebox: and U still cerrs a valid pointer address
miszu: struct, what about legendary?
struct: yes
Icebox: while calling the function again cerrs nothing and crashes
miszu: do you incorporate some game knowledge it too? Like first few moves?
struct: my uttt is vanilla mcts
Icebox: I'm completely dumbfounded and don't even know how to debug this
Icebox: Q_Q
miszu: oh I see
miszu: thanks
PatrickMcGinnisII: sizeOf(&q->ptr) ?
ZarthaxX: what's happening ice?
SirLoxley: still can't beat that silver boss :/
sometimes I do, but not consistently
Astrobytes: Pointer problems Zartho
ZarthaxX: if you are experiencing some extrain bug, you are probably smashing the stack
ZarthaxX: strange*
ZarthaxX: mmm okey Astro
Astrobytes: Well, I think so
Astrobytes: Just had a quick look, don't trust me
Astrobytes: trying to be higher in silver
AntiSquid: feeling like gold or delete Automaton2000
Automaton2000: yeah, tell me about it
Icebox: ZarthaxX you might be onto something
Icebox: oh my god you might be onto something
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 understands me!
Automaton2000: so, back to the code?
miszu: does Automaton2000 throw random txt or it actually reads input?
Icebox: what is the stack size?
Automaton2000: do you get a lot of time to get back to your old code
Icebox: ZarthaxX ?
ZarthaxX: i meant that you might be hitting the return address of a function
ZarthaxX: or some other variable in the stack
ZarthaxX: like a ptr for example if thats the case
Icebox: nonoono what is the stack size?
ZarthaxX: struct asked
Astrobytes: 8 mb
Astrobytes: westicles checked the other day with ulimit
Astrobytes: @Icebox
ZarthaxX: why the @
Icebox: AaAaaaaaa
Icebox: yup
Icebox: or is it yup
Astrobytes: just to show who I was talking to ZarthaxX. Meh, so judgemental :P
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
Q12: If I am in rank 48 (Silver) should I risk a submit that will maybe help me a little?
AntiSquid: bedtime now, maybe by tomorrow someone kicks me to gold :'(
AllYourMCTS: whats your goal?
Astrobytes: how many hours you got Q12? :D
Q12: gold league
AllYourMCTS: well you aint getting gold league by not submitting!
Icebox: ZarthaxX give me your address
Icebox: I'll order you pizza
Icebox: :)
Q12: Astrobytes: one
AntiSquid: if it's not top 20 you aren't really risking anything (prizes) Q12
Astrobytes: the submit might take longer than that Q12
Q12: so I should submit...
AntiSquid: 2 hours for my last submit
AntiSquid: listen to the heart of the bots Q12
Q12: I am trying, but he doesn't listen to me :rage: :joy:
Q12: Ok, lets do it!!!!
ZarthaxX: Icebox what?
ZarthaxX: did you manage to fix it?
ZarthaxX: i want a pineapple one :)
Icebox: I didn't yet, but it makes too much sense
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX you monster
ZarthaxX: ah, okey
Icebox: I use around 9mb of data
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes i just said it so someone commented that lol
Zenoscave: blow the stack !!!!!
Astrobytes: Thought so tbh :D
ZarthaxX: blow it baby
Icebox: and it might or might not be chilling on the stack
Icebox: so yeah
Astrobytes: recursion Icebox?
Icebox: if this fixes
Icebox: yeah
Icebox: recursion
Zenoscave: def a stack blow
Icebox: so if this fixes you can pm me your address ZarthaxX
Icebox: I'll order you a pineapple one :)
Astrobytes: and mine, I could well go a pizza :P
Astrobytes: sorry, talking Scottish: I could destroy a pizza
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
ZarthaxX: okey
Astrobytes: Welp, given submit times I don't think I can do much more. Hopefully this one stays top half of silver and I'm cool;
Astrobytes: or cool.
cblte: Hi Guys.
cblte: Just started and getting back into the game of programming :) this time learning some Go and Python
Astrobytes: When you subsitute . with ; :(
Astrobytes: there are 11 hours and 19 mins to submit in the current contest cblte :D
Icebox: yup that fixed it ZarthaxX
Icebox: making it tail recursive fixed the issue
Icebox: \o/
Astrobytes: Send me half ZarthaxX, pineapple or not :rofl:
Astrobytes: gj Icebox
ZarthaxX: nice :O
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes you are gonna hate eating each piece :D
Astrobytes: Not if it tastes of success :P
miszu: given an int that represent a bit like 64, how to get which position is the bit?
miszu: 1 = 1st, 2 = 2nd, 4 = 3rd...
miszu: wrost case I'll use a counter in my loop and get the position like that
Astrobytes: fast way? __builtin_ctzll
Lysk: yeah I am using that kind of loop, it's annoying
Astrobytes: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Other-Builtins.html
Astrobytes: maybe not the best page in hindsight...
Lysk: this one maybe https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/builtin-functions-gcc-compiler/?
miszu: ah thanks
miszu: I guess loops would come to the same thing
miszu: I am using a while loop anyways
Astrobytes: yeah 'bit' better Lysk, thx :)
Astrobytes: this will be fast
BrunoFelthes: pb4 with more than 2 point than the 2nd place...
Lysk: I can shorten my loops to avoid going through trailing zeros :thinking:
Lysk: from french channel, he has precomputed path to each potion
Astrobytes: Yeah, I heard earlier
Astrobytes: It's working really well
Astrobytes: PM's are gonna be interesting
Lysk: yup, i would like to learn how is the stater representation used
Andy176822: anyone know a good way to know how close the opponent is to getting the 6th brew?
Andy176822: I might be missing something
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/509320386
struct: :D
The_Duck: like, how to know how many brews they've already done?
elderlybeginner: servers seems to be red hot
Andy176822: yea
Andy176822: that doesn't seem to be provided in the input
The_Duck: it's not, but you can check each turn to see if your opponent's score changed
The_Duck: if it did, then they brewed something
Andy176822: aha, good idea
Andy176822: thanks
Astrobytes: lol struct
Astrobytes: oh hi The_Duck, nice to see you back again :)
Nerchio: pb4 29 points 2.2points ahead atm :o
Nerchio: BrunoFelthes nice result in java too :)
BrunoFelthes: :D
BrunoFelthes: Heuristics > Performance :D
Nerchio: interesting ^^
BrunoFelthes: I changed some things that was not very good at my code, and the number of visited nodes jumped from 10k to 20k :D
Nerchio: i can do more but still much worse
Nerchio: but i won't be changing my code anymore :D
BrunoFelthes: I'm not confident that this code will get the top20
Nerchio: hehe i will be cheering for java player good luck
BrunoFelthes: im sure that it is possible to write a top1 code in java... the best players just dont like to use it... and CG platform do not have a good experience to play with GC languages
Rikerslash: a question to the java developers. Do you use soem unusual datastructures to get performance. I use mainly ArrayList and Hashmaps and a lot of custom objects. Any tips?
Rikerslash: I am 10th with java atm
wlesavo: the real question is it possible to write top1 python code
BrunoFelthes: plain arrays
ThomasNicoullaud: pb4 you timeout
Rikerslash: arrays instead of lists if possible if sized are fixed?
Rikerslash: sizes
Nerchio: well just try to avoid creating many new objects every round, if you can create them on round 1 and only refresh their state in future rounds
Nerchio: its much better
BrunoFelthes: reuse as much as possible the objects
Rikerslash: this is a very good idea thanks
Nerchio: yes this is the first contest where i really needed to do this
Nerchio: but basically you don't really want really big garbage collections since they can time you out sometimes
Rikerslash: at the moment for example I put all my spells and tomes and stuff in lists at the start
Rikerslash: every turn
Nerchio: if you create arraylists or whatever make sure they don't auto-resize during your work that can really kill performance
Nerchio: ah I also do this it's not enough object to bother with in my opinion
Nerchio: we're talking here the big things like search or whatever where you use thousands of objects mostly
Nerchio: ideally you don't want to use objects and use plain types
meh1001: I just profiled my code for the first time, and found that 16% of my time is spent by my function that determines if I have the ingredients to cast a spell
meh1001: :expressionless:
Nerchio: you run local instance to profile it?
meh1001: yeah
Nerchio: kk i rarely do that so can't use profiling :(
meh1001: I scraped input from a match and shoved it in locally
meh1001: overrode input() to just read it from a file
Nerchio: so you need to print the input to stderr then
Nerchio: ?
Nerchio: and you just copy
Nerchio: will try it next contest for easy debugging
Beresta: yea I did the same
meh1001: yeah I just made it WAIT 100 times, so the input is not useful for determining how smart the bot is, but made it possible to do the profile
meh1001: wish I'd though of doing it last week when I still had energy to try and improve it
Nerchio: isn't it just 1 turn though?
meh1001: nope, cause while my side sends WAIT the enemy side is still learning an brewing so the spells and potions still changed some
Beresta: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/079e4dee-7a9f-4fbe-9185-a4c65c13db67
Beresta: oh wow didn't know it works like that :D
> as for profiling, I just print every turn, something like that
Nerchio: well i mean i use timers inside the code as well but would like to profile in the IDE
meh1001: Well, I can't say it's a great idea... but I'm using python and am also very lazy so I wanted to use the python profiler
Beresta: well profiling is kinda dangerous and could easily be misleading
in debug mode its just completely different from release, and in release its not that reliable
Nerchio: :grimacing:
Beresta: might be helpful early to local some real bottlenecks, but later meh
meh1001: I certainly don't know the ins and outs of it
meh1001: yeah like, 18% of my time is calculating my heuristics which honestly are of questionable usefulness
Beresta: yea, I once added some terrible check to evaluation and it resuced my iterations like 10x :D
Beresta: reduced*
meh1001: 17% checking inventory against spell cost though is pretty ridiculous
Nerchio: the more stuff i added to evaluation it slowed down as well
Nerchio: even if it was if checks
Nerchio: but every thing counts i guess
Beresta: meh1001 precalculate it all
meh1001: I certainly learned lots of stuff doing this challenge that I didn't know before about optimization. Yeah that's one of em
meh1001: sadly I doubt I'll ever use any of this knowledge in my actual job snicker but it's super fun
Astrobytes: Fun is the general idea ;)
Beresta: yea, true
Beresta: I'm waiting for it to finish now so I can look what others did on forums, I wonder what were my biggest mistakes :D
geppoz: meh1001 if you want to reduce that time, you can build a lookup table precalculated
geppoz: an array of 1001 elements, where index maps all inventory combination,
geppoz: and element is an array of possibile recipes (42) with possible/nopossibile and remainder
geppoz: and remainder itself is the index where you land after cast that spell
meh1001: thats an excellent idea
geppoz: I didn't do it, since it is not my issue :D
Zenoscave: if you do an array of 82. you can also include the first for spells and all 36 potions. and have a lookup of cast and brew
meh1001: it would probably get me 20% reduction in time honestly, well, assuming the lookups are much faster (which they would have to bE) than the list comprehension things I'm currently doing
Njitram: Whats with the guy in legend that always times out at turn 1?
geppoz: a smurf deleted
SkyCoops: Coucou les amis
geppoz: salut
geppoz: (?)
Astrobytes: coucou SkyCoops #fr
MuddySneakers: Does anybody know: does threading help, or do you only actually get a single core?
Astrobytes: Single unfortunately
Astrobytes: multi-core arch but we only get 1
SinOfWrath: Gold submission: won two against top100 players, lost one against a lower ranked player: let me place you at rank 300. This is gonna be a long night to wait my rank stabilize. :D
Astrobytes: there are submissions still running (in Legend at least) from around 20:00 (GMT)
Astrobytes: and hello fellow Scottish person SinOfWrath
SinOfWrath: hi Astrobytes, good to know that it's super slow tonight
SinOfWrath: I guess 7000+ game on last night is not so unexpected
Astrobytes: Yeah, last night of the contest but this is actually the highest number of contestants who submitted if I'm not mistaken
miszu: curious, how much $ does it take to run montly the platform?
Astrobytes: No idea. You'd have to ask Thibaud
Astrobytes: They do have a main business other than this
miszu: debugging my UTTT, my game engine has hidden errors
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/work/
miszu: I find this platform more fun than hackerrank or other stuff
Astrobytes: the link I posted is how they make $ or € rather
AbundantPuddle: Did they combine the urgency bonus into the price by default?
Astrobytes: Right, not going any further so will stick with my crappy silver rank. GL to the remaining tryharders :D
Astrobytes: AbundantPuddle: price the amount of rupees this will win you if this is a potion recipe, 0 otherwise. This includes the urgency bonus.
Astrobytes: The urgency bonus is also in tomeIndex: This is also the value of the urgency bonus if this is a potion recipe.
AbundantPuddle: Yes, I restarted my code in Python and it didn't specify that. My earlier code I could have sworn you had to add the tome_index to the price to get the overall profit.
AbundantPuddle: But thank you, I'm just glad somebody could clarify that for me. I appreciate that.
AbundantPuddle: They changed how the default python code reads in the variables as well . Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something.
AbundantPuddle: Oops, I apologize. I did just read that in the Game Protocol.
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: goodnight/day all
ZarthaxX: astrooooo
ZarthaxX: nooooooooooooooooooooo
AbundantPuddle: Have a good night Astro. Take care.
Astrobytes: zarthooooooooooo
ZarthaxX: you cant leave me like that
ZarthaxX: wait for my submit to end(?
Astrobytes: I have to, I've been MadKnighted
ZarthaxX: okey lol
ZarthaxX: gn astro
Astrobytes: You're way above me anyway
Astrobytes: But still, silver fistbump
Astrobytes: If you get gold I'll buy you a pineapple ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: i think gold is secured
ZarthaxX: :fist:
ZarthaxX: gimme pineapple
particleflux: when bfs is optimized too much and now it actually gets worse 'cause it looks too much into the future with bad scoring :S
ZarthaxX: limit the depth
Astrobytes: looks that way :fist: :pineapple:
NinjaDoggy: lol unlucky
NinjaDoggy: astro heading out?
Astrobytes: yeah, top 50% silver
NinjaDoggy: alrighty, gn m8
Astrobytes: or I was at least
ZarthaxX: have a good one byto
ZarthaxX: :*
Astrobytes: gn NinjaDoggy :) all the best luck to the late submitters!
struct: nn
ClockSort: see ya
NinjaDoggy: hey clock!
NinjaDoggy: u staying till end?
ClockSort: trying to
ClockSort: i keep adding LEARN to my search in different ways that all make the results worse
NitMpez: i'm the opposite i'm trying different ways to prune to get pass depth 8th and having no luck
NinjaDoggy: silly trick that sped up my performance a lot in C++:
NinjaDoggy: memset all your global arrays to 0 on turn 1
NinjaDoggy: that way it forces them to be loaded in memory
NinjaDoggy: and then it's much faster to access after that
miszu: ok I think my game engine for UTTT is bug free. I can run couple runs with no errors
miszu: I had a previous submission for UTT in silver and finished 5th. I totally rewrote my bot and just playing random moves. He was able to draw with the boss bot. How sad was my previous submission couldn't draw even with sloppy MCTS
Michael_Howard: I know how this must sound... but has the Silver boss got harder to gatekeep Gold? :sweat:
Michael_Howard: Talking about in IDE, not even arena.
Lysk: NinjaDoggy is it 8*sizeof() or just sizeoff in the memset?
Zenoscave: Nah, they don't change bots
SirLoxley: I cant beat him consistently either. Sometimes ... rarely I do
Michael_Howard: I went back to my pre-tree version to test it & it got absolutely minced
Michael_Howard: At least I know my 10 node tree is doing something lol
SirLoxley: my endgame sucks, didn't read properly "tier1 or higher"
NinjaDoggy: @lysk just sizeof
Lysk: gotcha thanks
ClockSort: mizsu what is UTTT?
NinjaDoggy: ultimate tic tac toe
ClockSort: :thumbsup:
miszu: question, what functions you guys use to measure time
ClockSort: i use Stopwatch class (C#, sorry :D)
miszu: haha :P
cegprakash: I just added simulation and it's tooo bad any tips
cegprakash: I've 90K sims at depth 5 clearly something is wrong with my moves
cegprakash: I'm last in silver :D
miszu: make sure you are returning the best move and not the worst move
struct: Dont discount ingredients when you brew
ClockSort: eliminate identical positions from your tree
MadKnight: where are the static lists in the referee ?
MadKnight: of spells and recipes
ClockSort: lol this match https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/509440481
ClockSort: best debug output ever
Zenoscave: lol He used to do it one word at a time
MadKnight: i can't find the list of all recipes/spells
MadKnight: Zenoscave maybe u got it ?
geppoz: https://github.com/CodinGame/FallChallenge2020/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Deck.java
MadKnight: oh thk
geppoz: yw
Zenoscave: sorry thought you said "why" not "where"
Zenoscave: misread
MadKnight: does it use the index in this array for the id of spell in the tome ?
Zenoscave: I believe so
NinjaDoggy: it's... complicated ish
MadKnight: can i do allSpells[tome.spells[3].id] ?
Ridakz: when u learn a new spell the id changes
NinjaDoggy: learns are id'ed properly
Ridakz: so u have to track new id
MadKnight: yea i know it changes when u learn
NinjaDoggy: brews are index + offset(42 i think)
MadKnight: i only need the tome id for now
NinjaDoggy: yea learn id is the index
Michael_Howard: Is the leaderboard getting faster again? 50% in half an hour.
Michael_Howard: Sleepy Europeans.
ClockSort: maybe so.
ClockSort: stupid question: how do you count the number of potions the opponent has brewed?
SirLoxley: every time his score changed ... ++
ClockSort: brilliant. i was trying to watch potions while factoring in any potions i took. :O
SirLoxley: so close ... in IDE I lose to silver boss and it's always by a point or two
cegprakash: score tracking I think @SirLoxley
hcabel: Someone find a good way to know witch spells learn ?? I try lot of things but the best result was learn first spell all the time ^^
SirLoxley: there are certain spells that work well together. I pick them that way. Plus that (4 0 0 0) and (3 0 0 0) are must have
PatrickMcGinnisII: hcabel there are 14 learns my bot will never do, that's the simplest way to start
Michael_Howard: @hcabel you can give them a score based on tier value, then add+subtract tax bonus/penalties.
pedrosorio: that awkward moment when the challenge is almost over and you're looking for ideas on how to rank spells (because you just learn the first thing every time), and everyone responding is way below you on the leaderboard...
PatrickMcGinnisII: lvl and rank may be a better indicator pedrosorio
Counterbalance: what I do is I pretend I know all the spells, then find the brews, and see which ones I used
pedrosorio: PatrickMcGinnisII ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: ^ I only pretend I know 1 at a time, the learn that has the most cross usage is what i pick
meh1001: What I did was include spells 1 at a time in my search and if they shaved more than 2 off the distance I'd learn em, but it was too expensive so yeah
meh1001: but since I had horribly unoptimized python I didn't have the nodes to not time out most of the time xD
PatrickMcGinnisII: because i use php i have a trimmed down sim, and it's not even perfect
ddreams: I had a MCTS for learning the spells, but after seeing recurse jump to the top by simply picking the first 8 I stopped thinking about it
miszu: c++ question. I have problem declaring my node class. Something to do with incomplete type:
miszu: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e75c4b7c-6d3f-4804-9115-57e699a77c8e
Counterbalance: if it's Node:
struct Node;
struct Node {....}
PatrickMcGinnisII: Node *
SirLoxley: yeah you have to predeclare it
SirLoxley: the compiler doesn't know what a Node is when he sees that vector<node>
miszu: same problem
miszu: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/acbbe1b8-4a1f-4775-826b-5266defa2eb7
Zenoscave: If I increase my beam width my search becomes lessaccurate...
Zenoscave: not because of time
ddreams: need a pointer, not the class itself
SirLoxley: make that a vector<Node *>
ddreams: use vector<Node *>
Counterbalance: which type can't it find?
miszu: the parent
miszu: I need a pointer?
Zenoscave: struct Node parent; no?
SirLoxley: yes. The compiler doesn't know how big a node is before the thing isn't fully constructed
miszu: yeah makes sense
Zenoscave: ^ that too
miszu: ok it works
miszu: thanks all
miszu: my road to c++ and MCTS has lots of mountains
SirLoxley: good luck. I think I give up here.
PatrickMcGinnisII: Battles in progress 97%
miszu: oh it's for tic tac toe
SirLoxley: Is it possible to continue on the bot after the competition?
primitive_coding: @miszu if you put a node into a node, that node in the node would have to contain a node, which would have to contain a node, too, because ist's a node...
PatrickMcGinnisII: prolly end up a multi in a bit
SirLoxley: I am a bit upset that I didn't make it to Gold
miszu: primitive_coding yeah I was thinking about the same. It would be a recursion
PatrickMcGinnisII: i tried, but just trying to stay in top 1k was a challenge in itself
miszu: i'm trying to do MCTS but it's very easy to make a mistake
miszu: in the logic
PatrickMcGinnisII: crap, dropped to 1001st
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh well, dinnertime glhf
MadKnight: tome.add(new TomeSpell(new Recipe(-3, 0, 0, 1)));
wait how do i tell if it's repeatable ?
ddreams: if any are negative, it's repeatable
Batpapa: yes
cegprakash: should I go for the smallest rupees one or the highest rupees one?
MadKnight: rly? repeatable if any negative ?
ddreams: what do you think?
ddreams: did I stutter?
Batpapa: miszu, I first made MCTS, that was a huge lose of time (for me at least)
miszu: I am doing the tic tac toe bot, not the contest
MadKnight: can't i be confused and ask again?
miszu: I gave up on contest haha. I am happy with silver
Batpapa: repeatable = !anyNegative
Batpapa: oh ok ahah
Lysk: except initial spells
Lysk: if 0 <= id < 42 and a negative then repeatable
ddreams: you can ask more questions if you're confused, but just repeating the answer with a question mark behind is pointless
Icebox: MadKnight fix your bot
Icebox: gold when?
MadKnight: doing the engine now
Lysk: you should stream MadKnight!
MadKnight: i'm just learning to speak english cmon
miszu: why people are pushing to stream? :P
geppoz: you are really starting to play at 8h to end? :D
MadKnight: no i'd use an alt for a stream
Tyir: Icebox, give me some pointers on how to do this better
Icebox: I don't know if I'm a position to give pointers :D
BrunoFelthes: https://www.codingame.com/replay/509504721
Icebox: I just made a weird improvement that might not be an improvement
BrunoFelthes: 26 turns against 1st position
BrunoFelthes: not bad :D
Tyir: you are working on C++ now, i figured you have tons of pointers
cegprakash: 74 turns againt #1000 and still lost
cegprakash: not bad
ddreams: BrunoFelthes what strategy are you using?
BrunoFelthes: same as everyone...
BrunoFelthes: chokudai
Icebox: where are you Tyir
NinjaDoggy: can anyone give some tips/helpers for uploading hardcoded data onto codingame?
Tyir: overall ~1300 with some brute force 3-4 depth
Icebox: that's silver?
NinjaDoggy: say, if I wanted to upload an array of integers how could I compactly do that?
Lysk: I have python scripts to put stuff into a single file
NinjaDoggy: i'm talking about hard coding an array of size a few thousand
The_Duck: maybe you could encode it in a string literal, that gets you one code byte per actual byte of data
Tyir: i should also state that i forced it into my code, it doesn't take into account learning
NinjaDoggy: The_Duck, yes that's what i'm trying to do but
Tyir: my simulations don't look at spells to learn; so definitely not ideal
NinjaDoggy: there's apparently some fancy stuff u can do with characters that contain more than 1 byte of info
Zenoscave: wanna know how ninja
The_Duck: would that be better? does the submission size limit care about characters, or bytes?
NinjaDoggy: yes please Zenoscave :)
Zenoscave: Characters
NinjaDoggy: yea it just counts 100k
The_Duck: huh
Zenoscave: unicode
NinjaDoggy: yea weird
NinjaDoggy: um... unicode is nice and all but...
Icebox: that is not true tho
Icebox: there is a filesize limit not char size limit
NinjaDoggy: ? didn't someone post a pie compression thing
Zenoscave: what's the filesize limit?
Icebox: so more bytes per char is just less chars
Icebox: 100kb
Zenoscave: I thought it mattered or is that just shortest
NinjaDoggy: actually 1 byte per character is enough for now i guess...
Icebox: I mean that's really easy to test...
NinjaDoggy: a factor of 4 or 8 won't really impact much
Icebox: just upload 100kb file with normal chars
Icebox: and 110kb file with unicode
Zenoscave: dd time
Rodrigo_the_coder: sqrt(12 - 3)
Rodrigo_the_coder: downloading data: 99%
Rodrigo_the_coder: [emergency meeting]
miszu: cyan: I just want to say hiii :)
ddreams: (everyone voted cyan)
miszu: cyan was not the imposter
NinjaDoggy: um...
NinjaDoggy: if i get weird stuff like:
NinjaDoggy: ok rip I can't even paste it
Rodrigo_the_coder: blue: noo my data gone
NinjaDoggy: but basically for each characters, i'm using basic ascii values from 0 -255
NinjaDoggy: but it doesn't print nicely?
Rodrigo_the_coder: [Dead Body Reported]
ddreams: self report, roddy sus
Rodrigo_the_coder: no u sus
linjoehan: lol have you seen the 3d version?
Rodrigo_the_coder: ddreams was not an impostor
Rodrigo_the_coder: Victory
Rodrigo_the_coder: i'm so lonely :(
linjoehan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SgDWuwTCrU 3D Amouns Us looks really cool I think.
**Rodrigo_the_coder slaps linjoehan around a bit with a large fishbot
Rodrigo_the_coder: I'm so lonely... :(
ddreams: code a bot friend
Rodrigo_the_coder: how
emh: ohh I got to Gold actually
emh: with my last submit before I went to bed hehe
cegprakash: what is silver to gold strat?
cegprakash: go for fastest potions?
jrke: ceg i think yes that would work
ddreams: I'm pretty sure that's not enough
ddreams: though I could be wrong
mlemm: you need a good depth sim
linjoehan: Dont think so either. Fast ones might get to little gold.
AbundantPuddle: Is that like "Code a bot, friend" or "Code a bot-friend?"
KrabbyFR: that's my first challenge :D do you have any ressources where I can learn to do sim?
ddreams: both work
AbundantPuddle: Lmao
linjoehan: I did have a try at fastest first but it was quite bad, maybe I'm the problem though.
mlemm: im simulating fastest/highest brews and still couldnt climb to gold
mlemm: because my depth is too low
rockstar555: hii Good morning guys
Whiskee: because silver is a very different place now
emh: cegprakash I'm doing beam search with brew price / turns
emh: so average gain per turn
Whiskee: I was very high before the cutoff but had a bugged version when it happened so didn't make it
linjoehan: my depth is to low too, I just had an eval for incomplete ones, but that may be the problem mlemm
cegprakash: I don't do BFS yet :(
cegprakash: only simu
therealbeef: made Gold :D
MadKnight: why so cegprakash ?
MadKnight: and how do u use simu ?
linjoehan: Will MCTS work on this thing? or am I just going to hate myself for trying later
Rodrigo_the_coder: this is where true coders cry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRhSV_rIsjU
ddreams: I used this competition to learn MCTS, but couldn't get it fast enough
cegprakash: I use a difficulty rating (difference between required and current inventory) in my scoring MadKnight
ddreams: bfs was much easier and stronger
cegprakash: why is castable true when the spell is on cooldown
Rodrigo_the_coder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRhSV_rIsjU
Rodrigo_the_coder: where true coders cry
Rodrigo_the_coder: have you watched it
Rodrigo_the_coder: ???
Murleys: Bots should not be able to submit the first answer to a challenge ...
miszu: I am writing my getallpossiblemoves() but it will be super inneficient. Good bye performance
Rodrigo_the_coder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRhSV_rIsjU
Rodrigo_the_coder: pls watch
Csipcsirip: no
Rodrigo_the_coder: why
linjoehan: is an action that gets you over 10 items totally not allowed or will it fill you up to 10 and disguard the rest?
ddreams: not allowed
Samer: not allowed and you skip your turn for invalid action
linjoehan: thanks
Murleys: :croissant:
Rodrigo_the_coder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRhSV_rIsjU
JohnCM: rank 14 silver now, pls bump me up
Zenoscave: Rodrigo_the_coder quit
struct: :D
DomiKo: wtf
struct: Zenoscave gl on submit
DomiKo: why am I 4th?
Zenoscave: This one might be it...
Zenoscave: not win just last
DomiKo: rank after recalc will be so random
Murleys: no ones playing clash of code :cry:
Rodrigo_the_coder: :(
mlemm: wdym by recalc Domiko
struct: Illedan stop please
struct: or i bring my next one
[CG]SaiksyApo: Mercy plz Illedan
Illedan: :P
struct: grats both
Illedan: FINALLY
Illedan: Saiksy..
Illedan: I have to use 25 MS because of massive timeout now
struct: 25? ahahah
struct: poor you Illedan
[CG]SaiksyApo: My limit is 40 and I'm not even close, fix your timeout
struct: same
DomiKo: i have 45
Illedan: hmmm
struct: and I dont even start the timer at right place
Illedan: :(
Illedan: Maybe I'm doing something stupid again
[CG]SaiksyApo: Profile the memory ?
Illedan: Naaah, I wanna sleep
Illedan: :P
[CG]SaiksyApo: I used to have some code that took 5Go :D
struct: yeaeh you can sleep
struct: me not yet
Illedan: I wanna see my rank in Legend first
Illedan: Unless this losestreak kills me :sob:
DomiKo: rank is so random here ;(
Illedan: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Zenoscave: RIP Illedan
DomiKo: does anyone know how recalc after end of contest work?
jrke: i have to optimize my code a bit and i will be in legend but its hard to optimize :(
DomiKo: like how many games are played?
struct: 500?
DomiKo: hmmm
DomiKo: hope it will be enoght
Zenoscave: total?
Zenoscave: or per player
struct: per player
Illedan: per
DomiKo: I have to say that changing meta was so exciting
Illedan: What meta?
DomiKo: but I love that it is the end
Zenoscave: I reverted 10 hours of work...
DomiKo: meta of playing
DomiKo: I had like 4 different programs
Illedan: :pray:
NightLuna: oh
struct: want a little push?
jrke: can anyone give me some c++ pragmas?
struct: #pragma GCC optimize("O3","unroll-loops","omit-frame-pointer","inline")
jrke: are these enough^^^
struct: You want more?
Illedan: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: wait Illedan
struct: Ill push
jrke: they are already there in my code
struct: I hope
Illedan: Just everyone push :D
ddreams: #pragma GCC option("arch=native","tune=native","no-zero-upper") //Enable AVX
- pragma GCC target("avx2") //Enable AVX
ddreams: dunno if those help
ddreams: but I've had them in contests here for years
struct: #pragma GCC target("sse,sse2,sse3,ssse3,sse4,popcnt,abm,mmx,avx,avx2,fma")
jrke: thanks :)
Illedan: I'll just push again struct
struct: why?
struct: you can wait
struct: and go to sleep and wake in legend
Illedan: Nah
Illedan: Watch this go instant legend
Illedan: Do believe.
jrke: watch what?
Illedan: My submit crashing and burning and losing vs bad strats :(
struct: What is a bad strat Illedan?
Illedan: Winning vs me
struct: lol
struct: sorry CG but I saved my submits for now
Illedan: Glad I have tomorrow off work too :D
DomiKo: Good for you
MadKnight: struct what happened ?
MadKnight: hey Illedan nice for u
Gonny: How slow are the submits right now?
Good_Coder: Lol
