ClockSort: yeah in C# I went with "Agent" instead. Much better.
EladYaniv01: how do i identify which player am i ? in python
EladYaniv01: i notice my bot works only when i am to the left
Zenoscave: you're always player 0 for the input
EladYaniv01: no i am not, not in the arena ...
Zenoscave: it may not look like it but the input always gives your info first
EladYaniv01: okay, thanks
Bobbadillio: You might be player 0, but the action_ids change depending on whether you're the first or second player (your info IS first though)
Bobbadillio: that messed me up once :D
Zenoscave: Next 2 lines: 5 integers to describe each player, your data is always fi
Zenoscave: first*
EladYaniv01: ohhh
EladYaniv01: the action_id's
Bobbadillio: I just hard coded "oh, my cast for 2 blue is always 82!" and it turns out that's not real
EladYaniv01: are the problem yeah
EladYaniv01: yeah
EladYaniv01: same
EladYaniv01: :S
Zenoscave: Your's always say CAST
Zenoscave: opp says OPPONENT_CAST
Bobbadillio: SO, the initial action IDs ARE always 78-81 and then 82-85, and you can find out which is which like Zeno said
Bobbadillio: This is ALSO part of what makes my current bot hacky
Zenoscave: The game is completely symmetric. It doesn't matter which bot is on which side
Zenoscave: just only cast id's whose action types are CAST
EladYaniv01: it does if i hard corded a spell book before hand
morning_cloud: EladYaniv01 you can identify your player by action_type in the input
EladYaniv01: based on training only to the left
Zenoscave: Then hard code the deltas, not the ids
EladYaniv01: CAST ##
Zenoscave: I give up
Bobbadillio: On what
Zenoscave: helping
Bobbadillio: :thumbsup:
JinxDaCat: Anybody else periodically have muscle-memory kick in and after making some changes hit Ctrl+S to save? lol.
Bobbadillio: All the time :)
EX53: for anyone else is it saying you run out of time but its in the middle of the action count loop
EX53: ive been trying to fix this for hours idk what to do
Bobbadillio: That doesn't happen to me, no. Did you modify it in any way from the initially given code?
EX53: ya but like i make an object and put it in an arraylist
EX53: but that shouldnt take 50 ms
EX53: and ive seen other streamers do the same thing and it works fin for them
EX53: i think its a bug or something is there someone i can ask for help?
EX53: this is the only reason i havent moved up
Bobbadillio: I don't think there's any good place to ask, no
EX53: ah that sucks
EX53: its in java
EX53: ive seen another streamer do the same thing in java tho
EX53: so idk what the problem is
Maliamnon: EX53 - are you writing a ton to the console?
EX53: no
Bobbadillio: It might not be advisable, but I tend to write to console a lot when I get stuck to make sure I'm not going crazy, and my loops aren't spinning infinitely and stuff like that
EX53: ok ill try that
EX53: i mean its the loop that they give you
EX53: but ill try anyway
ImagineLosing: why does my game for fall challenge only have 19 rounds and not 100?
ImagineLosing: when i play my code
EX53: becuase the game ends on certain perameters as well
EX53: like its maximum 100 rounds
VizGhar: 19 is too soon, you probably timed out, or provided incorrect output
EX53: but in the first division it ends when a witch makes 2 potions
ImagineLosing: im in wood 1 league
VizGhar: well you need 3 potions there i believe?
ImagineLosing: yes
EX53: ya then its when someone makes 3 potions
EX53: ya then the game ends
EX53: thats why
ImagineLosing: k thx
Xenoid: Zenoscave, noooo, you passed me
Xenoid: I am never gonna get a t-shirt
Zenoscave: Isn't t-shirts top 20?
Xenoid: yeah
Zenoscave: We're both in contention
Xenoid: I'm out of ideas for my bot though
Xenoid: unless I change the approach
Xenoid: I won't make top 20 overall
Zenoscave: I've got a few major ones left
Xenoid: nice
Zenoscave: Hopefully at least one pans out
Xenoid: yeah, would be cool
Xenoid: seems to get harder and harder to find optimizations further up the list though, haha
**PatrickMcGinnisII Burps
Zenoscave: I haven't optimized yet
Zenoscave: That's one of the ideas
Xenoid: cool, seems like you are in good shape. Hopefully that will bump you a few more slots at least
Zenoscave: hopefully
totorroto: when you get promoted?
totorroto: or how?
Zenoscave: When you have a higher rank than the boss. If you're in bronze then the boss isn't chosen until tuesday
totorroto: i'm higher than the boss and i didnt get promoted
Zenoscave: Is the submission finished?
totorroto: maybe i have to wait a little bit or how it works
totorroto: aaa okey i have to let the battle finish, thanks
Zenoscave: yup
totorroto: thanks bro
totorroto: and how i sent the game parameters to my IDE
totorroto: how thats worrks
useAllTheThings: My strategy is to just sit here and wait for everyone else to submit worse code than they had already
useAllTheThings: So far it's working not too bad
Jayantpro: in coders strike back... Can anyone help me a bit in bronze league?
eulerscheZahl: wow, zeno at #3 :o
Zenoscave: It's dumb luck tbh
ImagineLosing: what does this warning mean?:Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.
meh1001: you have an extra print somewhere, probably at the end
Zenoscave: you probably timeout
PatrickMcGinnisII: ^ what zeno said
ImagineLosing: oh k
Zenoscave: the error message is misleading. usually caused by not printing soon enough
Zenoscave: It's nearly midnight here. Night all
useAllTheThings: night
eulerscheZahl: was it luck yesterday or did i break it? :(
abmyii: Is it considered cheating to use a StackOverflow answer in a Code Clash, and if so, how do you flag it?
abmyii: And to what extent is searching and copying code allowed?
aCat: morning ;]
Atomic_coder: its afternoon for me
aCat: ouch ;p
aCat: so it will be more suited for you for the contest end ;p
DerthekNagra: Has some1 considered MCTS for simulating in the fall challenge?
DerthekNagra: or will it be too expensive to find a "winner"
eulerscheZahl: while you can do MCTS to optimize for yourself, it mostly shines in 1vs1 and when there is no obvious eval function
eulerscheZahl: so i don't think MCTS will be a good fit here
DerthekNagra: Im very new to simulating so Im finding difficult to start
aCat: euler - a question
aCat: can you do BFS without state copying?
aCat: I mean if you have only apply / reverse action
yhyoxx: please speak english
eulerscheZahl: not in a reasonable way
aCat: :/
aCat: that i was afraid of
aCat: damn
eulerscheZahl: i spam new objects :/
aCat: i got engines suited for reversing
yhyoxx: does the enemy bot change everytime i play my code or only when i submit ?
aCat: I can switch to have a state as a single int array
Csipcsirip: how many state.apply(action) u have euler in a round ?
aCat: but damn
eulerscheZahl: Csipcsirip i print that
eulerscheZahl: 20k at best :(
eulerscheZahl: check what rafbill writes
aCat: but you exclude some less promising actions or check for permutations?
eulerscheZahl: i hash my states so i know when different sequences give the same outcome
eulerscheZahl: but sure, pruning is needed if you want to reach a certain depth
Csipcsirip: ye 20k doenst sound much
eulerscheZahl: i'm a noob at speed optimizing
PatrickMcGinnisII: 20k holy crap. I'm under 1k at the moment, *sigh* ... but it's not due to timeout, ha\
eulerscheZahl: blaster mentioned 150k and room for improvements
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm trying to figure out at what point i should deefault to learn
PatrickMcGinnisII: I so badly don't wanna put learn in the search
eulerscheZahl: when you need the tier0 tax
eulerscheZahl: why not?
yhyoxx: hmmmm
Csipcsirip: I gave up smart learning algo when I saw what psycho is doing
eulerscheZahl: what is that?
eulerscheZahl: learn first X?
Csipcsirip: learn first for 8 rpounds
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: still the first weekend
aCat: yeah...
aCat: and i still don't have engine written down :(
Csipcsirip: is it me btw or the submits are rly slow now ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: some learns don't accelerate brews, unless you are doing a prevent strat
aCat: you got 3k people in league
eulerscheZahl: submit is slow...
30 matches, all wins. still around rank 50 with 31% done
eulerscheZahl: i want silver
aCat: 121 people computing
Csipcsirip: ye but yesterday it was much faster with like 2.8k ppl. and its still early in hte morning
eulerscheZahl: and no CSB horror either
JamesOnnen: why is it slow?
eulerscheZahl: maybe CG didn't want to rent that many servers?
PatrickMcGinnisII: asp.net servers LOL, hehehehahahaha
eulerscheZahl: AWS or Azure, there are contradicting statements about it
**PatrickMcGinnisII pokes JamesOnnen
**eulerscheZahl slaps PatrickMcGinnisII around a bit with a large fishbot
PatrickMcGinnisII: his profile says MS... gotta poke him
JamesOnnen: hi
JamesOnnen: I have been poked
**PatrickMcGinnisII gets slapped by automaton
ZoltanSimon: Hi everyone
rmuskovets: hi
KnightMoves: I would like to fight some battles, please
yhyoxx: same
DaNinja: battles are very slow now, it was much faster a couple of hours ago
eulerscheZahl: we know :(
eulerscheZahl: 172 computing. not even that many
eulerscheZahl: oh, pb4 is coming
Cuken: I can't seem to find my friend to use as an agent in the bronze league. Am I missing something?
eulerscheZahl: you can only add players from top1000
Cuken: TY
eulerscheZahl: tell your friend to improve ;)
FahrendraKhoirul: skuy
eulerscheZahl: we officially exceeded the player count from the previous contest
DaNinja: cool
yhyoxx: nice
yhyoxx: please try to exceed number of servers
eulerscheZahl: staff appears offline on discord and i don't want to ping them on sunday. who feels brave enough?
jrke: let the staff rest for now
yhyoxx: ill wait
eulerscheZahl: did you increase your simcount yet jrke?
jrke: currently fixing bugs
spaceorc: Really strange timeouts... I'm printing time taken to stdErr and immediately after that printing command to stdOut. Time is measured from the moment i read the last state line. I see time=43 and TIMEOUT!
dacr: yes for MCTS but partially at that time, simulation ~500 in 50ms not sure it will give good results...
DaNinja: might be crashing at the top of the next loop spaceorc
spaceorc: Nothing about it. If it will be so, the command should return and should be timeout AFTER that
Loran: gah nothing like intermittent errors to make debugging fun
eulerscheZahl: you have 1 green Csipcsirip
eulerscheZahl: Players gain 1 rupee for each tier-1 ingredient or higher in their inventory.
Csipcsirip: oh, i missed that
Q12: Why when I do "test in arena" I start from the end of the league?
You can just check if I am better than my last bot and if I am then start from his place and if not start from the bottom. does it make sense?
spaceorc: It true skill
wlesavo: Csipcsirip yeah, i think many people missed that, same with spells hiding spells, a lot of confusion
eulerscheZahl: often the answer is: it would be too much effort to redesign that now
eulerscheZahl: hiding?
Csipcsirip: spells hiding spells ?
eulerscheZahl: oh, the visuals?
wlesavo: typo just spells hiding
wlesavo: yeah
eulerscheZahl: i complained, illedan too. now there's a toggle in the viewer settings
Loran: If i had to guess Q12 its because the backend treats a new submission as a new player and just deletes the old submission. so the new bot has no ELO to compare with and starts at the bottom.
eulerscheZahl: i still don't agree with the default setting but much better now
wlesavo: good thing it can be disabled in settings, but we found out very late about that
wlesavo: yeah same
eulerscheZahl: was added on friday afternoon i think
wlesavo: well at least chat is not slow, i guess no coding
eulerscheZahl: submit is no fun. i wanted to test something. but also see where this one ends
eulerscheZahl: even for mods the chat seems normal atm
yhyoxx: Ahh that red arrow
eulerscheZahl: my current sumbit doesn't even have an arrow indicator anymore
eulerscheZahl: such a long delay between games
jrke: me too
DaNinja: 5% progress in 40 minutes
yhyoxx: :/
Q12: This is why you CG should do this:
Why when I do "test in arena" I start from the end of the league?
You can just check if I am better than my last bot and if I am then start from his place and if not start from the bottom. does it make sense?
spaceorc: That moment when you decide not to submit bug fix...
Zaphus: submitted an update, *then* opened chat - doh!
Hussain_Alramadan: Hi, it's my first time chatting with you guyes
eulerscheZahl: not even talking about experimenting
WaRiOrOfCoDe: Does any one else facing problem of not getting battle in contest or is it with me only?
eulerscheZahl: read a few messages above WaRiOrOfCoDe ;)
TrippTrapp84: dude this reverse engineering challenge hurts my brain
WaRiOrOfCoDe: ohh didn't realise
WaRiOrOfCoDe: sorry
jrke: thats we all are chatting WaRiOrOfCoDe
WaRiOrOfCoDe: man I should not have submitted
WaRiOrOfCoDe: my rank went down and not going up
WaRiOrOfCoDe: now
spaceorc: > Q12
It's a standard true skill implementation - your new submission is not compared with your previous submission. It gets default mu and sigma, and CG has skill-based match maker, so you should play with many weak strategies
jrke: just wait until any CG staff comes online
WaRiOrOfCoDe: yeah
The_chosen_one: Hello
The_chosen_one: Stay Safe and stay healthy
Q12: > spaceorc
I know what they are doing, I think it would be faster if they will do what I said
spaceorc: I believe that will be unfair
Q12: why?
jrke: 278 bots are computing at the moment
spaceorc: Q12> Algorithm have no information about your new submission. What if it completely bad? Why it should have so small sigma? It's strange!
spaceorc: Q12> If someone wins against your bad submission he will gain unfair rating boost...
spaceorc: Q12> And finally it goes agains true skill paper :smile:
spaceorc: Q12> And finally it goes against true skill paper :smile:
Zaphus: @spaceorc - remember it's your code that is being ranked, not you - and the code is new every time, so it does not go against TrueSkill
Neumann: Do you guys remember in which CG game timeouts could only be detected if "invalid" was written in the tooltip/frame info ?
Neumann: There are false positive timeout detections in the FallChallenge and I'd like to know which other game I'll break if I remove the "invalid" check :P
spaceorc: > Zaphus that’s what Q12 is talking about, not me
Zaphus: ah, got confused sorry
Uljahn: Q12: "If my new bot is better which means he is surly above the place of my last bot" - that's not true, being better than your previous bot doesn't mean the new version would rank higher, just think about RPS situation
Donotalo: will cg give us today's time back for slow server? my last submission is stuck at 24% after more than 90 minutes.
Donotalo: i'm waiting to understand if the modification works
Csipcsirip: u will get your money back don't worry
spaceorc: ha ha ha ha lol :slight_smile:
Donotalo: :grinning:
eulerscheZahl: Thibaud reacted with :eyes: so it seems they are already investigating
eulerscheZahl: i'd like to believe that it just couldn't handle my strong new submit
MarekM: looks like 100KB source is a limit, bye bye precomputed data :)
spaceorc: @eulerscheZahl - For 6th position after just 24% it should be really strong
struct: 100k chars is the limit
struct: characters
struct: Doesnt matter if the character is 1 byte or 4
xineohp: Anybody facing any issues while publishing the bot?
Nerchio: I think submitting doesnt work so great right now :D
spaceorc: There is only one issue now - games are playing 1 in an hour
Grudo: It doesn't work at all :D 10min 0%
struct: 367 players during submit
struct: CSB memories
spaceorc: from discord: Magus: database screaming for help
Magus: I'm just a moderator, I don't have more informations than you :D
Magus: So i'm just trying to guess
demo_demo_demo: I'm stock at the bottom of the leaderboard and battles progress stock in 0 for like 20 min
xineohp: same with me
Grudo: demo_demo_demo I'm next toy you ;)
Grudo: we just have to wait
spaceorc: sale! good places in a queue! only here, only today! beware of fakes!
shainy_oreng: suddenly pineapples
shainy_oreng: !
eulerscheZahl: so Magus when will you deploy a fix?
eulerscheZahl: the slowdown made me set up a local testing environment :/
Remus_: So many people started testing and never came back up I advanced 100 places xD
Nerchio: automaton2020 when will the leaderboard be fixed
Nerchio: he's gone
struct: I also dont understand why the leaederboard is reversed
eulerscheZahl: automaton2020 never talked
eulerscheZahl: only NN and 2000
Illedan: Good morning, did you kill the servers :O
eulerscheZahl: it was getting slower and slower during the morning
eulerscheZahl: now i have that beast waiting for you
arena/FallChallenge.dll: 31 test/FallChallenge.dll: 90 draws: 1
Illedan: hm?
Illedan: :D
Illedan: ah your local thing
eulerscheZahl: my new, unsubmitted bot wins 75% vs arena
Illedan: Nice
Illedan: :)
Illedan: I'll set up something once I start to sim too
adouz: can someone tell why my score is 0.00? i just submitted to the arena and the progress is still in 0%
Nerchio: leaderboards are stuck atm
Illedan: Servers are having lunch, give them a little break
struct: Almost 5k
Illedan: 415 computing
adouz: ok thanks, i will wait
DaNinja: I blame those garbage collectors
heisenbug: it seems there is a problem in the area, the battles come out very slowly...
eulerscheZahl: staff is already investigating
struct: yeah, CG is currently fixing it
heisenbug: ok thanks
MadKnight: rip the servers
MadKnight: what is gonna be happening on the last day ?
eulerscheZahl: a contest
MadKnight: with the servers
MadKnight: are they gonna be dying even worse ?
[CG]SaiksyApo: Submits should be fixed
eulerscheZahl: yay!
eulerscheZahl: any funny story to tell?
spaceorc: oh yes!
yonder83: what search algorhitmh you use
wlesavo: wow nice work, thx!
DaNinja: :clap:
ELmahdi1962: guys i dont understand the lumen puzzle
eulerscheZahl: yes, that's what you wanted to write on the forum. but the spam filter ate it
ELmahdi1962: not spam filter
eulerscheZahl: yes
ELmahdi1962: just need to be reviewed because im new
ELmahdi1962: its way my fist action in the forum ever
jacek: oO
ELmahdi1962: anyway can some one explain to me that lumen puzzle
ELmahdi1962: how n=5 and c=3 and the output is 9
eulerscheZahl: that's a vague question. what did you understand and where did your understanding stop?
ELmahdi1962: i dont know how this 9 came out
eulerscheZahl: the n=5, c=3 has to be seen with the map
ELmahdi1962: ok 1 sec
eulerscheZahl: the C is a source of light
eulerscheZahl: and you take the distance from each cell to that C. if it's > 3, it's shadow
Rprades: python question, anyone know how to run a Integer programming optimization? No PuLP or no CVXPY libraries seems to be allowed...
eulerscheZahl: only numpy and scipy
eulerscheZahl: and pandas
kovi: wow, everyone is potiondept2+ now?
kovi: in top20 i mean, as my experience is that i struggle in top100 with brewdepth1
Nerchio: i have bfs depth 4 thats all top25 atm x
Nerchio: cant do much more with java :joy:
Barimehdi77: how many spalls they are? cuz Iknow they are 5 potions
LordSkaven: So graph transversal is the way to go for the fall challenge? I have been approaching it that way, thought I was overthinking it
Nerchio: that's more like underthinking it :D
kovi: depth4: you mean you getting 4 brews along?
kovi: or just a full search for 4 actions
LordSkaven: awesome, thought I was missing something obvious. First time taking part in something like this, really enjoying it
Nerchio: no kovi ofc not 4 brews ;P
Nerchio: its just 1 brew
Nerchio: i guess my small amount of heuristics did a nice job
Nerchio: but looks like sooner or later the top should be most about computation
kovi: unfortunately
Nerchio: I agree pure computation is not my thing
Barimehdi77: we have 4 spells right?
jacek: in the beginning
Barimehdi77: and 5 potions in every turn
Uljahn: initially yes
Barimehdi77: in the wood 1 league
Uljahn: ah
jacek: wood1? thats so last week
Doju: what on earth
Doju: why does " instance = cls.__new__(cls, *self[:])"
Doju: return an empty list but instance = Delta(*self[:]) works
Doju: Delta inherits list
Grudo: how many players get to silver at opening?
Uljahn: as many as above the boss
Quidome: I thought last time it was 50
Grudo: ah so we just have to wait to see how strong boss will be
Quidome: not sure and the can change that number
Quidome: The last one entering silver on opening will be the boss
Rprades: has anyone tried genetic alg for this? it tried but wast too slow to converge (around 100ms)
garfieldhasbacon: garfield is so coooool
garfieldhasbacon: do any of u guys like garfield
jacek: scarfield?
garfieldhasbacon: GARFIELD
jacek: i hate mondays :v
garfieldhasbacon: he is cat. and loves loves loves lasagna
Uljahn: i like kickfield
alexthe2: hey guys I'm doing this for the first time. How do I get out of wood2 into wood1?
Nerchio: zenoscave top3 really nice
garfieldhasbacon: stuffing your face as usual
the...G: how do I move up the leader board? is it just winning or is it the number of points?
garfieldhasbacon: i dont know a single thing about coding i am just having my fiance in waiting do all the work for me. she is very good at using the numpad
garfieldhasbacon: she once wrote a whole ternary expression using alt code on teh numpad i dont know how she does it but she types every letter with one finge ron the alt and the other all over the numpad. its crazy hojw she does it
DaNinja: numpad to legend!
Uljahn: alexthe2: you can watch some streams
garfieldhasbacon: my mom ate all the cheeze its taht i were going to eat to get thru these dumb coding problems
Uljahn: the..G: winning gives you points according to TrueSkill algo
alexthe2: I'm currently in the arena, but I am stuck at pos number 3
alexthe2: The other 2 above me use the same code
the...G: Thanks ULjahn
alexthe2: The same algo idea
the...G: how do I see other players code?
alexthe2: I don' see it, but from their playstyle it's doing the same things
alexthe2: ohhh, wait does all the battles have to be finished
alexthe2: so I get promoted?
the...G: My code is really simple, just going for the highest value brew.
garfieldhasbacon: coding is so dumb, i cant type 200 wpm for the life of me
Uljahn: alexthe2 yes
alexthe2: ok thanks
garfieldhasbacon: how do u type faster
alexthe2: u don't look at your keyboard
alexthe2: and you don't fdo typos
garfieldhasbacon: omg!!
Remus_: write a bot to type for you, duh
alexthe2: like that one
the...G: learn to use all of your fingers.
alexthe2: Nah
the...G: just 2 fingers then .
alexthe2: Develop your won style and then check it out
alexthe2: If it is good and fast you wil be fin e
garfieldhasbacon: thank u i think i can type really fast now after all that good advice u guys just gave me
titano: Hello, can sbdy tell me how I can test de computing time (and so exit a long calculation to give my answer on time) ?
I am coding in JS
Nerchio: at the start you need to take spells and feeding your opponent is bad so taking 'free' spells is most optimal most of the time
Nerchio: and if both players take the same spells nothing else matters except calculation
eulerscheZahl: and if your sim is deep enough you can compute best spells :P
geppoz: "pure calculation" you means going as deep as possible without score evaluation?
eulerscheZahl: scoring will still be necessary and important
alexthe2: you could backtrack if you have the nuts to write that code
Illedan: backtrack from what?
eulerscheZahl: but scoring alone without thousands of simulation steps won't get you anywhere
alexthe2: simulate
alexthe2: and then get best result
alexthe2: by backtracking
rmuskovets: should a sim do also enemy's steps or yours is enough?
Illedan: Up to you to figure out ;)
alexthe2: I guess you can just simulate only yours
eulerscheZahl: i think yourself is the most important here, little interaction
Remus_: alexthe2
I'm trying to do that but my code is boggy :(
eulerscheZahl: some opponent prediction won't harm
rmuskovets: this is the first time im writing a sim
alexthe2: Yeah makes sense, I just learned about codingame and I will use some gentic shit later on
rmuskovets: so i think opponent prediction will just slow me down
alexthe2: given that I can save gentic models
alexthe2: can I ?
rmuskovets: i think yes
rmuskovets: serialization/deserialization
rmuskovets: using whatever library
Barimehdi77: rmuskovets Thank you
alexthe2: Yeah I know, I just don't know whether oyu can do it on here
rmuskovets: cg workers are just vms with the compiler preinstaller, why not?
rmuskovets: preinstalled*
Nerchio: if i write the same code from Java in C++ is it going to be much faster
eulerscheZahl: factor 2-3
Nerchio: or the idea is to use other structures that make C++ fast
Mr_Andersson: The 1 second limit for turn 1, does that include VM startup and JIT for languages like C# and java, or does it only count my actual code?
JBM: as far as i know the referee stays external to all that
JBM: so a bit more than your actual code
Mr_Andersson: hmm ok, so picking a language that compiles to native instructions is more "effective" than a JIT language?
Nerchio: yes
Nerchio: much more effective
Nerchio: sadly ;(
eulerscheZahl: the 1s was initially introduced as some languages have a slow startup
Mr_Andersson: I see, thanks.
struct: Anyone knows what MSmits used on othello?
struct: I wasn't here when he reached 1st :/
Nerchio: somebody had a nice C++ bundler here anyone knows?
FrancoisB: As far as I know JIT execution *can* be faster that AOT compiled code since optimization can be made for the target machine
eulerscheZahl: in c++ we can use pragmas to optimize for a specific architecture
FrancoisB: There is no denying the supremacy of C++, especially considering memory, just wanted to highlight that JIT doesn't always mean terrible performance
Mr_Andersson: I would assume the CG compilers are tuned to optimize for whatever hardware they are running on. But yeah, for a generic "needs to run on all x86" binary JIT can be faster if you exclude the startup/compilation time.
kreo: I would add that C++ is not the only language that you can consider in resource-constrained scenarios. There's also Rust at least
jacek: struct he specifically used opening books against the top
biskop: so performance becomes very relevant in higher leauges?
geppoz: uhm i have a lot of timeouts in battles, when i send the match in IDE, then it doesn't timeout... wtf?
jacek: rust?
struct: thanks jacek
geppoz: python
kreo: Do you have any randomness in your code?
geppoz: no
geppoz: except for time measure
geppoz: i exit at 900ms at first and at 40ms in next turns
geppoz: it seems crashing in first turn in battles
geppoz: and not in ide
jacek: 1st player vs 2nd player?
jacek: do you test in ide being 2nd player?
Vintarel: same for me geppoz, it timeouts many more times in battles than in IDE :(
geppoz: it seems it is not that the problem, it crashes in both cases in battles and neither in ide
geppoz: Vintarel, but always in first or second turn
geppoz: never when the game is past 3rd turn
Vintarel: ok not for me, it's random between third and 13th turn
geppoz: and that never happened yesterday
DeWitt: tops, do you optimize tax payments so that you are not copying them into every state?
DeWitt: optimze = not include additional stones
Vintarel: i guess machines for IDE and battles are not the same, thus the differences, but i might be wrong...
Vintarel: i'm exploring this now
eulerscheZahl: are we talking about data storage or bot behavior DeWitt?
struct: how, I clear vector and it doesnt clear
struct: what is this sorcery
DeWitt: i think, both. if we assume that there is never "extra" stones in the learnable cast
jacek: thats withcrat
DeWitt: we can save some memory
RockyMullet: but tax will change during the sim
DeWitt: but this will make the behaviour pessimistic
DeWitt: memory = number of sims per tick
eulerscheZahl: i have a static list for the tome. and a bitmaks to know which one are still available
Mr_Andersson: Is there a memory constraint in the higher leagues?
RockyMullet: well one thing you wont be able to do, is learn a spell to get the tier0 insteda of casting a tier0 only spell
eulerscheZahl: 768MB
Mr_Andersson: I see.
struct: for (int i = 0; i < 2; ++i) {
witches[2].clear();
}
DeWitt: yeah, but do you include number of exta stones that are added when you learn a spell?
struct: oh god
struct: send help
codingPassio: is there any one good at js?
eulerscheZahl: struct :D
RockyMullet: eulerscheZahl any problem with memory ? I dont think theres a lot to copy
eulerscheZahl: i rarely struggle with memory
DeWitt: taxCount changes over time
RockyMullet: good good
eulerscheZahl: just to make it faster than copying lists
RockyMullet: I was planning on not giving any f about it lol
codingPassio: wich programming language good for back-end developer?
RockyMullet: back-end of what ?
eulerscheZahl: and how many sims do you get in 40ms RockyMullet?
codingPassio: web back-end
RockyMullet: well im on the planning phase of my depth N, thats why im asking questions haha, I'm still on my depth 2, so didnt bother to count yet
DeWitt: o
DeWitt: i have something like 600, but i feel like its too little
DeWitt: how many do you have eulerscheZahl?
Xanrum: 600 depth?
DeWitt: 600 sims
eulerscheZahl: 10k-20k
DeWitt: bam
eulerscheZahl: and i'm on the low end among the top ranks
RockyMullet: I feel it's better to make slowly and right, than trying to rush on the first weekend, also my motivation is not on it's highest on this contest
starmaq: @Gabbek if you wanna really devote your time for it, read one of the many books that exist on it, I'd recommend one of bjarne's books or scott meyers'
Gabbek: starmaq thank you very much, writing that down :)
starmaq: I got my C++ knowledge just from googling and searching, so maybe that would suit you better too
starmaq: stack overflow is your friend
struct: I think sim is working
struct: At least random is
RockyMullet: struct :raised_hands:
RockyMullet: gj
struct: thanks
Maliamnon: How long is evaluation taking this fine morning?
spaceorc: is everything stuck again
spaceorc: ?
LordSkaven: when I do arena, it stays at 18% battles in progress, is that normal?
Victorien_aka_TL: It's very slow today, too many battles to process. I hope it will be better tomorrow when they open the new leagues
spaceorc: it would be hard to pass to the new league with this games rate
TerrificTaurus: @Gabbek you can google for "Thinking in C++", it's an old book, but very good for the basics of the language and STL, you can build on that
I'd definitely recommend the Effective C++ books from Meyers probably the best books on C++
I found Stroustup's books harder to start with, I think they are not for beginners
LordSkaven: I am currently in wood 1, how do I go to bronze?
alexthe2: ANSI C 2nd edition is very nice for C, if you want to start with that one
Victorien_aka_TL: LordSkaven : beat the boss and then test your code in the arena
LordSkaven: ah ok cool, in arena now.
Victorien_aka_TL: If you're good enough they will pass you to the superior league after some combats
alexthe2: @LordSkaven it takes a long time
Gabbek: TerrificTaurus thank you very much for so detailed answer!
alexthe2: @Victorien I started 1800 now advanced to 57 but I am still stuck
alexthe2: There is no next battle
kuhnchris: Yeah my next battles are stuck too.
alexthe2: What happens if two people fight each other that doesn't do anything?
alexthe2: does it really animate up to 100 turns?
kuhnchris: They get disqualified if there is no input AFAIK
kuhnchris: except you mean like... 100 turns of rest.
alexthe2: My oponnent for example is doing nothing
Mr_Andersson: Would be a draw I guess, both players count as winners.
alexthe2: But he is brewing and casting impossible spells
LordSkaven: well time to play some games while I wait for the arena run to finish
alexthe2: I hope this will go on faster, battles are on 20% since 20mins
TerrificTaurus: @Gabbek this is pre-C++11 but still valid
Gabbek: great stuff! If you would ever need any python help - poke me! :)
Astrobytes: Hm, not convinced the Eckel book is still worthwhile, I remember it being iffy even back then. Stroustrup has a complete C++ book and another one which is learning *programming* using C++, then you could read Meyers, not sure of others
starmaq: C++ books are most of the time gigantic, but I don't mind having one laying around if I ever want to check something
starmaq: I don't see myself reading one
starmaq: the standard has 1500 pages I think xd
pmor: C++ Primer was one of the best a long time ago
alexthe2: Jesus, will this arena move any further?
Astrobytes: I think the staff are looking into it
alexthe2: oh ok
Astrobytes: It can be slow during contests anyway but seems it's extra slow atm
alexthe2: it's stuck for more than 40mins
Mr_Andersson: My progress % hasn't changed for 2 hours, but my rank keeps changing so something must be running at least.
alexthe2: that are just ppl leaving
kuhnchris: i got some network error: -1, so something's fishy
Astrobytes: Melting servers
Uljahn: CSB promotions number isn't very high, just 76 of them :smirk:
Doju: finally got the sim working
Doju: thought it's pretty bad since it only goes to depth 2
Doju: maybe i should prune some of the learn actions
struct: 76 in CSB really?
struct: 435 on fall + 78 on CSB
Astrobytes: lol
MoonPhoenix: Can I adjust the bot later for the later leagues?
kuhnchris: yes
MoonPhoenix: Or do I need to do it now?
kuhnchris: each new league sends your bot back into the editor with the state you programmed it in the last league
MoonPhoenix: oh cool
kuhnchris: (+ the new requirements to implement)
MoonPhoenix: how do I enter it to the league as I finished it for now?
TerrificTaurus: at the beginning I found The C++ Programming Language from Stroustrup to be daunting, then switched to the Eckel book, and found it very beginner friendly
Stroustrup's books are a much easier read once you know some of the language
MoonPhoenix: Test in Arena?
kuhnchris: "Test in Arena" and wait
MoonPhoenix: Do I need to keep the browser open or something? Or can I just leave it
kuhnchris: if you are above the Boss<name> player you'll get auto-promoted every couple of... I guess hours or so?
kuhnchris: not sure i'd keep it open in the background
Mr_Andersson: When you get to 100% progress, which at this rate is a couple of days at least :(
MoonPhoenix: Alright, thanks a lot
TerrificTaurus: can anyone recommend a good resource about modern c++?
Astrobytes: TerrificTaurus: Stroustrup-wise I certainly wouldn't start with The C++ Programming Language! But Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++ is much gentler
Astrobytes: That's probably as 'modern' as it gets, the language moves so fast these days you have to do keep up with it yourself
Astrobytes: *have to keep up
alexthe2: ahhhhhhh, any infos?
alexthe2: cause bug-report got no answer
alexthe2: last we're looking into it was at 11:32, but it was working in the meantime
andrefpoliveira: In C# is heavier for a class to have 4 int vars or a list with 4 elements?
alexthe2: omg we got 21%
alexthe2: pace of 1% per hour
starmaq: at the end of the day that's just gonna take 16 bytes, but access-wise a list may be way better due to memory locality
kuhnchris: 18% :(
ParticleBeam: Odd. CG IDE not formatting or refactoring
starmaq: if you're really looking for performance do that, but in the long run it's gonna be annoying so sticking to variables is better for readability and in the long run maintainability
starmaq: I think it's an idiom in C++ to use a table to pack up a bunch of variables in an array then using initialization list syntax you can do a simple Class() : array{var1, var2, var3} {}
starmaq: which looks cool
azerty123456: bonjour, j'ai envoyé mon code dans l'arène il y a 40 minutes, depuis je ne peux rien faire d'autre. Il faut attendre la fin de tous les combats ? Je suis nouveau sur codingame je ne connais pas encore bien le fonctionnement.
struct: #fr
TerrificTaurus: @Astrobytes thanks, I haven't checked out the latest editions of his books yet
I agree, features are coming so fast these days, but I'm looking for basic things like move semantics and rvalue references
azerty123456: thanks struct ;)
alexthe2: mon francais n'est pas bien.
Il y a des problemes mais
le personnel se penche dessus
alexthe2: Jesus I don't wanna speak french anymore
alexthe2: but hopefully this helps
RockyMullet: lol
RockyMullet: your sentence make it sound like your french is sick and needs a doctor or something lol
RockyMullet: good attempt tho :P
azerty123456: thank you alexthe2 I understand ;)
struct: Still better than my french
RockyMullet: let's not start talking about my english
struct: I can read it but cant type at all
Maliamnon: 12% submitted after an hour :(
alexthe2: @Rocky I think I had it in highschool for 4 years. But that was 3 years ago
alexthe2: jesus I had it for 5 years
diogo.giassi:
Servers melting, 14% more than 1 hour ...
RockyMullet: my sister in law is german and she speaks ridiculous good french for a non native speaker
alexthe2: I am german
alexthe2: but I study in the netherlands
Maliamnon: well, on the bright side, having a 100% winrate after an hour is pretty cool ;)
alexthe2: ^
RockyMullet: meanwhile I must know like 2 words in german
alexthe2: especiall if your opponents are just doing WAIT
RockyMullet: ooooh thats why im climbing randomly in ranks, people submit and takes too long to rank up lol
RockyMullet: hopefully opening silver will help
Ra777: when silver starts?
RockyMullet: tommorow
DomiKo: openning silver won't help that much
Ra777: is there calendar or something?
DomiKo: yes
RockyMullet: usually around 5-6 pm french time
Astrobytes: TerrificTaurus: I have the 2nd edition and it covers all the basics, doesn't go too deep on a few features but there's other books and references for going further
Ra777: thanks
alexthe2: I actually wanted to go for google kickstart today but then I missed it cause I had the wrong time. Then friends of mine were like: try codingame...
And while I actaully enjoyed writing really bad code and passing through wood2 and now giving the logic some stupid params to pass in wood1 this happended
alexthe2: Ahhhhhhhh
RockyMullet: DomiKo yeah, silver will have a lot of people too
RockyMullet: alexthe2 what happened ?
alexthe2: Servers are stuck
Nerchio: leaderboard lag probably
RockyMullet: oh yeah right
alexthe2: on 21%
Nerchio: maybe you broke the servers alex
Nerchio: with your code
spaceorc: for me on 11%...
alexthe2: Nerchio it's so bad that it might have happened lmao
alexthe2: Like whoever reads the code is just gonna cry in tears
DomiKo: a lot of people are submiting right now
alexthe2: *drawn in tears
alexthe2: I wanted to do some genetics later on, but first I have to get to later
RockyMullet: end of the weekend, people are trying to push what they done during the weekend
RockyMullet: and with 3k people in bronze, that's a lot of people
Counterbalance: yawn
spaceorc: Already more than 1 hour without any game on 11% - it's not about something is simply slow, something does not work at all.
malcoriel: same here, stuck on 0%
Astrobytes: Staff are currently looking into it, be patient (it's annoying, I know)
spaceorc: we believe, we hope, we are waiting! :slight_smile:
xineohp: Published new changes now, hoping this time it completes faster.
Counterbalance: yay! some battles are coming through
alexthe2: not for me
Counterbalance: it was at 0% for 11 minutes, then the first 10 battles appeared
alexthe2: I really wanted to do some genetics in higher leagues. But first I have to come there
xineohp: Any idea when higher leagues open?
alexthe2: tomorow
Astrobytes: Click the Bronze league icon up top
xineohp: oh, thanks
alexthe2: The moment somethin on you screen changes, and you just realized it was one of your old battles
totorroto: for someone else the arena battles takes so long?
alexthe2: y, DB are at 100%
DominikSipowicz: I have 0% battles in progress
totorroto: okey thxs
PotterRafed: Dom :D
jacek: aww
CommanderCero: im gaining ranks while not doing any battles, so atleast im winning by doing nothing
Waffle3z: same, went from 87 to 68 overnight
eulerscheZahl: that will be a fun league opening with 1k players promoting at once
DominikSipowicz: I dropped because I updated :\ I can revert my code so you can drop
DominikSipowicz: kidding :D
CommanderCero: would that even work, im stuck at 11%
MasterDuck: me too
totorroto: what's deliverySpell means in the github repository? can someone xplain me
eulerscheZahl: BREW?
totorroto: yeah ahha my bad
eulerscheZahl: yes, DeliverySpell is just a BREW
eulerscheZahl: (just checked it)
spaceorc: And they are described inverted in code.
zahariaca: is there a specific hour when the league opens?
Michael_Howard: Hope the servers don't do this again next Sunday.
eulerscheZahl: around 6pm CET
eulerscheZahl: that is in 25.5h from now
reCurse: Dammit too slow
zahariaca: thank you!
RockyMullet: there's a maximum possible tax I'd guess ?
reCurse: No
RockyMullet: hu it can go really high
reCurse: But it will be mostly discarded at some point
Michael_Howard: Essentially 10
eulerscheZahl: 2* (total spell count-1)
reCurse: You can safely cap it at 10
geppoz: you can consider max =10
RockyMullet: yeah I can assume it's 10
eulerscheZahl: 10 is a good estimate, yeah
reCurse: Did I hear 10
jacek: try 10
Waffle3z: ten
Counterbalance: 10 seems fine
geppoz: if over 10, then it is 10 again :D
Xenoid: It can basically be at most 10
geppoz: since it will make no any difference
RockyMullet: :sunglasses::thumbsup::thumbsup:
jacek: :raised_hand: :raised_hand:
Astrobytes: :digit_one: :digit_zero:
kuhnchris: Ten-Ten
ThomasNicoullaud: 0b1010
Zhmyh: ln(22026.465794806703)
kuhnchris: 2020 DIV 2
Marcelo-Hackerman: i hate playing with bots
jacek: Automaton2000 do you like playing with AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: solved it
Automaton2000: paste your code into the ide
Neumann: Has anyone successfuly setup BrutalTester with the challenge referee ?
eulerscheZahl: i just modified the referee for single core. next step: integrate engine into my own bot
eulerscheZahl: the process communication is the biggest slowdown when you reduce the time per turn enough
eulerscheZahl: and i failed to compile at first, had to replace 1 function
eulerscheZahl: and reset the instance counter for recipes to 0
ma: hm does CG have stome truble running the competition at the moment?
Xenoid: submissions seem to have been broken for a couple of hours
levbor: Looks like that. I've submitted code almost 2 hours ago and it's still at 11%
Doju: Wait.. is there a way to differentiate between exhausted spells and spells unavailable due to not having the resources
levbor: is_castable
Neumann: Thanks tomatoes, will check
Doju: levbor that returns false on some spells even though the spells aren't greyed out
meh1001: I was under the impression castable only indicates if it is exhausted or not, not if you can afford it
Doju: so was i but it seems that it's not the case
Doju: nvm, i'm just doing something wrong again
Xanrum: how count enemy brews? not score, just count
Ridakz: score > previous_score
xineohp: anybody facing issues with some rounds. for some reason I am getting the "has not provided 1 lines in time." message even if I am just reading the input and returning "WAIT"
Remus_: ^ same
Liora: Yeah I'm trying to setup a timer and the time seems so unstable not sure if the issue comes from my code or the server ;/
gaha: i didn't have any issues with the server
gaha: apart of the area
gaha: arena
meh1001: it does seem extra slow right now
MoonPhoenix: Do I need to keep my browser open for this?
ngxingyu: no need.
Oursbrun: problem to submit the code
Oursbrun: code vs zombies
eulerscheZahl: the problem is in the whole website, staff is working on it
Oursbrun: thanks
LordSkaven: does your rank get reset when you submit? I was 90th now I am 1860th
Oursbrun: no
Grudo: yes, it is recalculating based on actual submit
ngxingyu: yes mine went from 700 to 3000
icecream17: what? my rank went up overnight
meh1001: I would expect it to change as other people run theirs in the arena
Xenoid: icecream17 submissions are broken, so everyone above you who submitted is temporarily below you
icecream17: wow, imagine silver opening and the boss getting stuck
LordSkaven: looks like things are getting better, I am actually getting new arena battle results
Xenoid: yeah, submissions may be running again
rmuskovets: my rank is changing too
rmuskovets: in js sort() callback, if i want a to be placed before b, should i return -1 or 1?
rmuskovets: ah, looked up on mdn
Xenoid: -1. You return a number less than, equal to, or greater than 0 based on whether you want the first thing to be less than, equal to, or greater than the second thing
rmuskovets: ty:)
Marcelo-Hackerman: java takes really long to code right?
rmuskovets: why does cg put you at the bottom of leaderboard when you start battles?
rmuskovets: its taking sooooo damn long
Uljahn: servers are slow atm, pls be patient
MasterDuck: Take a walk outside while waiting. I sure need one. My brain hurts.
EX53: for some reason in the coding challenge it takes 2 seconds just to read the input
EX53: so i have no time to do anything else
EX53: does anyone know how to fix it
struct: 2 seconds to read inputs? In what language?
tomatoes: start timer after first input
Majeck: Yes
EX53: i have private static classes but i left the input code the same
Majeck: Not on the start of the while true
EX53: java
EX53: ya i did its its still the same
EX53: the input code is the same i just have classes outside of the loop
EX53: it shouldnt change anything tho i dont think
struct: Does this happen on first turn?=
dynamicritz: hi I can't do clash of code it gets stuck after timer reaches 0
EX53: every turn
struct: servers are having problems
EX53: thats why it doesnt even run the rest of my code
EX53: so what i just cant compete?
struct: no, you can compete
struct: your timeout is not related to server problems
EX53: how can i compete when my code wont run
EX53: oh
rmuskovets: i feel like i shouldnt submit *this* version of my code
rmuskovets: i was 2030-2010 while now i am 3004
LastRick: Some of yall submitting some good code right now -- I've dropped 100 spaces in the past few minutes going to get coffee.
Presac: Might just be the servers dropping...
LastRick: What does that do to us?
LastRick: (First contest so I truly dont know)
struct: submits are currently frozen I think
struct: ah they are working
struct: just slow
struct: There are many
struct: 800 submits just on Fall challlenge
LastRick: I get it. Does that mean your ranking is incorrect while that is stuck?
struct: Well it needs to reach 100% so you know your final rank
struct: you start from the bottom
Tandy1000: i keep noticing sometimes when an opponent finishes a potion that i was about to complete, my code hangs.
if two bots submit the brew for the same potion at nearly the same itme, what happens? does one get invalidated? how do you check for that?
Tandy1000: there's no try - catch for issuing the brew command is there?
struct: you both get it Tandy1000
eulerscheZahl: same turn -> both get the points
LastRick: I'm just debugging and using the "Play My Code" but I see my ranking changing all the time. How do I know if my code is better? Do I have to use Test in Arena?
struct: yes
LastRick: oh
struct: Or you can play vs other players in ide to check
LastRick: i had been avoiding that because it takes so long
struct: An easy way is to see the battles that you lost and send them to IDE
struct: and check if your current code beats them
LastRick: ok
LastRick: to the bottom I go!
Nazdael: Is there any good read I can do for this game, every time I start coding I feel like I am missing on something very important on how to manage my AI decision making.
Nazdael: Like to simulate a good outcome
Nazdael: and what action is appropriate
Zenoscave: Nazdael Take the time to create a model in your code. With the appropriate methods to build a simulation before going full in sim
Zenoscave: also, PEWPEWPEW
eulerscheZahl: current #3 giving hints
eulerscheZahl: i'll take one
Zenoscave: Euler your node counts are low. fixit. ezpz
Nazdael: Not sure what you mean by appropriate methods for siming?
eulerscheZahl: really? :(
eulerscheZahl: how many do you get?
Zenoscave: I was double or tripling your counts in some cases.
Zenoscave: similar ms
Blacksoul: hey guys, anyone trying to solve the challenge with scala? I am trying to run it locally, my code on the web works, but when i ran it locally, the game engine wouldn't recognize my player. it doesn't fail or anything, it creates a player with my scala class, but in the first turn there is no output, and i am just disqualified
eulerscheZahl: scala has some problems reported
Zenoscave: Nazdael what language
Blacksoul: anyone having the same issue while running it locally? (cloned the github project and added my class)
struct: Zenoscave can I get a tip?
Nazdael: c#
Zenoscave: Nazdael make a class that represents the current state of the game and another class that represents each action you can take
eulerscheZahl: oh, for offline run: didn't test with scala
SabertheLost: lol, I did wrong and it just keeps learing spells if it cannot cast anything
Nazdael: Like spells, recipe, witch and game context?
eulerscheZahl: can you run your bot from the command line? that way you could inject any bot
Zenoscave: struct you don't show up on the bot plays
Zenoscave: yes Nazdael
SabertheLost: i think you can switch the bot in the idee?
Nazdael: I have them but the thing is that I cannot figure out a good way to simualte how far I am from a brew and what is a good step - learn or cast
Zenoscave: struct quit hiding
Nazdael: I thought that I could calculate them like point distances, but it doesnt feel
struct: I'm not hiding
Blacksoul: i debugged a little bit, and the addAgent works, it is added. the issue comes from when it tries to get the output, it always gets a "" (empty string)
Nazdael: right :D
struct: Gold or delete is more fair I think
eulerscheZahl: struct start coding
roglemorph: anyone know why code royale says it cant process site ID
roglemorph: my output is the exact same as the boss
struct: Ok ill start coding
LastRick: Newb question: Is this generally how many players join a contest? Or is the lag due to high participation?
eulerscheZahl: this is the biggest CG contest ever
eulerscheZahl: last time was already close to 5k
eulerscheZahl: before it was usually around 2.5k
LastRick: double the normal? woah
DomiKo: and only 20 T-shirts :(
LastRick: people love anything Zelda i guess
eulerscheZahl: there were contests with 2500 players and 50 tshirts
eulerscheZahl: those days are over
reCurse: There's been a big 'marketing' push, it's been 6 months since last contest and many people are in lockdown
ToshiTuringMachine: one submit: 4 hours
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know where that marketing happened
reCurse: Streamers
reCurse: It's 2020
eulerscheZahl: they have that much influence?
reCurse: Apparnetly
Nerchio: the marketing should say "you can code in any language but you can win only with C++ or Rust"
Nerchio: :D
_Lupus_: well kind of. Because the tome only shows the top 6 spells, one of them has the highest tax :)
dreadylein: its related to where they are streaming also, 20 people doesent sound much, but in tech category of twich this should be the upper 10% allready
reCurse: It's also concurrent viewers
reCurse: Doesn't say anything about total
Nerchio: let's just say its all of those factors combined :p
dreadylein: :P
LastRick: Streamers are part of it but I think its mostly the "stuck at home" piece. I mean, I havent had this much time to code for fun in 15 years probably
dreadylein: whatever it was, it seems like it worked
reCurse: Might want to switch jobs
reCurse: j/k
LastRick: no offense taken
eulerscheZahl: oh, he's streaming right now. and i pinged him. sorry
Illedan: Yeah, I had 18 viewers on avreage in my stream, but 250 unique during those 4 hours
dbf: yep, he is solving it with DP. so once he is done no one can compete because DP will find optimal solution -_-
Illedan: Hmm, interesting
Illedan: I'll add that to my list
LastRick: I'm an engineer. We usually live at the plant or in our office but we've been kicked out bc of Covid to work from home.
Zenoscave: multi-Knapsack?
LastRick: I guess I'm sunk. I cant use DP to solve this because Grand Festival 2 is giving me fits.
Tandy1000: what's dp?
DomiKo: dynamic programing
struct: Also he streams in 2 places at once
Zenoscave: crazy
Majeck: Is there a way to know (Other than checking the current potions list with last turn's) if my opponent brewed a potion this turn?
LastRick: their score?
struct: if currentScore != lastScore
Majeck: Thanks
Zenoscave: have submissions quit stalling?
Xenoid: submissions seem to be running
LordSkaven: they are still slow, but are running
reCurse: It's exactly like traffic after a car accident has cleaned up
reCurse: Gonna take a few hours
LastRick: hah
Zenoscave: You must not live near me. traffic after an accident is blazing fast until another redlight run causes a second accident
reCurse: Still takes a while to go through the traffic that backed up
Zenoscave: I see your point now. was missing that :P
LastRick: I've been saying, traffic has been piling up in bronze for a day or so
LordSkaven: yeah, in bronze league now. Only started yesterday this time, and first time doing something like this.
Zenoscave: wonder if the pgsql 12.x caused it
LastRick: is this typical for the contest to stagger opening up leagues? What is the thought process behind that?
reCurse: They like living on the edge
LastRick: HAH!
reCurse: Last time upgrading languages before contest
reCurse: Now upgrading db before contest
reCurse: :thumbs_up:
reCurse: :P
Csipcsirip: does any1 know the name of the C++ std function, that inserts an element into a sorted vector in o(log2)
Zenoscave: LastRick it is typical. no idea of the reasoning
rcar: insert_element_sorted_vector_olog2()
LastRick: thanks
reCurse: The reasoning is to give more games to fewer players
reCurse: And give a sense of progression
reCurse: Also used to unlock additional rules but it was an experimental disaster
Michael_Howard: How often are repeatable spells actually used by bots that handle them? Wondering how soon I should do this.
Zenoscave: Tandy1000 if you do well enough it may make an accolade mention in a resume. That helped me
reCurse: "Your program is compiled and run in a Linux environment on a 64bit multi-core architecture."
struct: Im sure its 64
reCurse: Note that multi-core doesn't mean you have access to them
Zenoscave: was about to say reCurse
Counterbalance: that doesn't say whether the program is compiled in 64 or 32 bit mode, unfortunately
reCurse: I wish this FAQ was a community wiki, then we could just have automaton spam it on a random trigger and cut our jobs
reCurse: First time the bot would actually be useful
Zenoscave: I like it
Zenoscave: Good idea
Zenoscave: todo item #1123801329867132
reCurse: Counterbalance You could find that out with std::cerr << sizeof(void*) <<std::endl;
Xenoid: Csipcsirip, it's not possible to insert into a vector in O(log2 n) worst case. Vectors are stored contiguous in memory, so in the worst case an insert will involve moving at least half of the vector's elements. If you want fast insertion you need a different data structure.
Zenoscave: Like a red-black tree?
Xenoid: Sure, depending on what the other needs are
Zenoscave: Doesn't STL set use a red-black tree
aangairbender: it does
Zenoscave: I mean that's not implementation specified but I think it's a safe bet
aangairbender: according to the specification
Sets are usually implemented as red-black trees.
icecream17: michael_howard, what league are you in?
icecream17: oh wait
Zenoscave: ranks 5,6,7 all aiming for my spot at least
Zenoscave: It was fun being top three for a few hours :) GL all
Kalam132: do i need machine learning knowledge for these stuff?
struct: no
Zenoscave: nope Kirbiby
Zenoscave: Kalam132****
struct: Unless you want rank 1 on CSB
Zenoscave: sorry Kirbiby
Kirbiby: don't nope me :d
Kalam132: what is CSB?
Zenoscave: coders strike back
jacek: or oware
Michael_Howard: @icecream17 fair question given mine. :) I name it something else & had forgotten. I'm bronze.
icecream17: yeah i didn't use the word delta much before the contest
cegprakash: omg battles are stuck
jacek: impossibru
cegprakash: and it's only 3 days into the contest
jacek: its sunday
Michael_Howard: Not stuck just s l o w
Michael_Howard: :turtle:
struct: Only 800 computing
aangairbender: cause 3k players in the same league
eulerscheZahl: because submit was stuck and now it's piling up
aangairbender: oh I see
jacek: lets spam submit more
Zenoscave: no thanks
eulerscheZahl: i'll let this one finish
eulerscheZahl: already did 49 submits in C# :o
eulerscheZahl: and 1 in PHP
aangairbender: lol I was ~2500, then I watched how top guys play, and now I am ~700 and still submit is testing
aangairbender: just started to learn a lot in the start
Zenoscave: nice aangairbender
eulerscheZahl: yet you couldn't avoid getting beaten by me :P
aangairbender: uhh, I just made a submit and the very first battle was against you euler...
Zenoscave: oops did you win?
Michael_Howard: @icecream17 not sure about the repeatable - I just logged them, some produce more ingredients, some produce higher ingredients, some produce more tier value.
Zenoscave: Because I didn't in my last against euler
aangairbender: I dont have any simulations yet, only bfs for potion making, so I guess there is no any chance I could win xD
Michael_Howard: @icecream17 if there's a strict pattern I can't see it
icecream17: I was saying that a spell is repeatable if it doesn't only add ingredients
aangairbender: oh I need to work on repeatable spells, now I am just ignoring that...
icecream17: (it doesn't only add -> subtracts somethinng)
reCurse: And if it's not a starter spell
icecream17: yeah
Michael_Howard: Ah. That seems true.
aangairbender: btw there is a repeatable flag in the input
eulerscheZahl: i also had that random loss vs #704 :D
eulerscheZahl: (not a timeout)
cegprakash: wins: calls skills
Michael_Howard: aangairbender yeah we know, but if it can only be one kind of spell it can affect what to code
cegprakash: loses: calls random
eulerscheZahl: "unexpected"
Q12: If I slice an array and change one of the objects inside it does it affect the first array?
theycallmedavid: If the slice part of the original array, yes. If it is "deep" copied, no.
jke: What is the bonus points for tier-3 ingredients at end of game? I can't find it in the instructions.
Q12: Thanks that what I thought. What is the meaning of "deep copied", like element by element?
jke: Oh I found it.
Xenoid: Q12, array slices to a shallow copy. So if you change an object in the slice, it will also change the object in the original array. That's only for objects though. If you have an array of strings, numbers, or booleans, then changing the slice won't change the original array
Xenoid: jke, all tier1, tier2 and tier3 ingredients score 1 point. All that matters is they are above tier 0
Q12: Thank you Xenoid and theycallmedavid
If I want to slice an array so when I changed an object it wouldn't change it in the original array, how can I do it?
Q12: Never mind I solve it
codeing: sup ?
codeing: what's up gay ?
codeing: tell me.
codeing: the break is important in switch case ?
VizGhar: huh, u joking? :)
codeing: what happen if my switch case don't have break ?
codeing: like this
VizGhar: if you match with first case, all other cases will be executed as well
VizGhar: most of the time you want to use break
VizGhar: (I think it is language independent)
codeing: java
codeing: classic
codeing: or object
codeing: `tets`
VizGhar: you can google it pretty easily
codeing: this code is ok ?
LastRick: in dart, the reason to not use break is if you want it to catch multiple cases
codeing: because break for me is specific for loops .
VizGhar: @Gabriel hmm can't see it in console either... try to send game parameters to IDE with code used back then... maybe you have just encountered bug. Many players mentioned some troubles last hour
VizGhar: @codeing return will immediately "finish" current method
VizGhar: Just play with it a bit, you will understand it soon
codeing: what difference with break in switch case ?
HHannahh12: yo
VizGhar: google it :)
GabrielDCelery: @VizGhar thanks Ill try to figure it out
codeing: sure
codeing: thx
VizGhar: np
fyusuf-a: Hey, do you know if both players take the same potion with a bonus, the countdown of bonuses is reduced by 2 ?
fyusuf-a: It seems implied by the rules.
Xenoid: It is reduced by 2, yes
fyusuf-a: +1 Xenoid, thanks.
struct: eulerscheZahl you got 1st yesterday while you were not here
PheonixVX: What do the stars on a puzzle mean? Difficulty? If so, why is a 4 star listed as easy? Is it the stars that are dark gray that denote the difficulty?
PatrickMcGinnisII: rating by coders
jacek: if they liked it
LastRick: if you mean the IN OUT puzzle it is the rating by people who finished it
LastRick: which is very subjective since we all have different reasons for our grading
Q12: What is the ideal ratio between the number of turns it takes to provide an order and the price of the order?
PheonixVX: Thanks
Waffle3z: 1:23
Q12: :joy:
LastRick: q12: I guess that's part of the puzzle for each of us
eulerscheZahl: check some replays from the top and compute finalScore/turnCount
blasterpoard: then multiply it by about 1.2
Q12: Nice! didn't think of it, thanks eulerscheZahl
icecream17: both messages appeared at the same time....
cegprakash: I want icecream icecream17
icecream17: it's one of the best foods, like pizza
Q12: agreed
DanTheMan832: How come nobody is higher than bronze yet? Last time I played one of these lots of people were in the highest league.
PatrickMcGinnisII: allergic to ice cream :cry:
icecream17: silver hasnt opened yet
LastRick: we all decided to play together this time
_Lupus_: Silver league not opening until tomorrow
Beresta: what time it opens btw?
Astrobytes: Hammer time
LastRick: Closing time
tomatoes: in ~24h
Q12: the battles in arena is working now, yeah? because I don't want to submit my bot and stuck in a bad rank because of it
eulerscheZahl: it's fine
Q12: :thumbsup:
ParticleBeam: Bot has swung between 180 and 260...
cegprakash: do lower league submissions get less priority over higher league submissions? I think it's better to have at least 1 dedicated server for each league
cegprakash: my sisters' submission in wood2 was stuck for looong time
Zenoscave: you can pay for that then ;)
cegprakash: yeah I'm ready to pay :D
cegprakash: lets share
eulerscheZahl: lower leagues have less matches. but i don't think they have to wait longer
Astrobytes: your sister plays on CG also ceg?
eulerscheZahl: a while ago the whole submit was stuck
Zenoscave: does she read the description?
cegprakash: yes
cegprakash: @Astrobytes
Astrobytes: lol Zeno
Astrobytes: Awesome cegprakash
PatrickMcGinnisII: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: that was no a yes @zeno
Zenoscave: Family code!
eulerscheZahl: so she doesn't?
cegprakash: I read description
cegprakash: and I ask if I can't understand
cegprakash: I don't know what's there to troll about it
Zenoscave: tbh the description confuses me too sometimes
eulerscheZahl: i didn't understand the tax instantly
eulerscheZahl: and the spells disappearing after cast did the rest
cegprakash: the animation is super good
eulerscheZahl: "oh no, they are all gone! oh wait there they are"
cegprakash: making the rules understand
cegprakash: from animations
icecream17: in the settings you can set hide exhausted spells to off
eulerscheZahl: i know
Nerchio: at the start you couldn't
Nerchio: disappearing spells also confused me
Soulee: Hello,
what is this warning
Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.
eulerscheZahl: julien added the switch based on the feedback
eulerscheZahl: do you print multiple lines in each loop soulee?
icecream17: Your code output before getting input
kuhnchris: how does the ranking in the Fall Challenge work? I seem to beat my opponents, yet i'm still around rank 1100
icecream17: So you probably output twice or something
eulerscheZahl: ranking = TrueSkill algorithm
Bobbadillio: Yeah, that warning happened to me when I was accidentally outputting twice
BookSaver: Soulee, maybe your bot have not time to post command , too long calculate.
Soulee: yes I print a stream
Soulee: I add items to a steam and then I print them in forEach loop
Zenoscave: you can only print one command each turn
Zenoscave: then there will be more input to read
Soulee: I can print insie actionCount loop?
Beresta: btw what happens inbetween turns? any way to compute more while waiting for input or something? :D
Michael_Howard: @kuhnchris you must beat them more :smiling_imp:
eulerscheZahl: you read all the input. and then print 1 single line of output
eulerscheZahl: no printing in inner loops
Soulee: Ok thanks for the warning!
Waffle3z: how do you avoid timeouts in C++? I'm checking if (std::clock() - startTime > 49000) and printing asap afterwards but I still time out sometimes
jacek: 1ms might be not enough
eulerscheZahl: i have 40ms and 1 or 2 timeouts
eulerscheZahl: garbage collected language might be at fault here
Beresta: btw is there any way to completely shut down gc in C#?
xSkyline: Can I view my games against the players on the top of the leaderboard ?
HungryBurger: I think you can specify any opponent for your bot to battle against.
HungryBurger: On the IDE, there's a "Players" section, it usually has your name and the name of the boss.
HungryBurger: Press "delete" underneath your boss, and I think it'll let you pick a new opponent.
eulerscheZahl: always keep a reference Beresta :P
Beresta: weeeeeel it won't prevent it right? at least first two times till your stuff gets to gen2 and won't be checked frequently
pedrosorio: @HungryBurger I only see players in top 1000
pedrosorio: Does anyone know how the score is computed for the top 100 companies and top 100 schools?
DanTheMan832: I was just getting the hang of it and now theres a bunch of extra stuff in bronze league :(
pedrosorio: @DanTheMan832 that's half of the fun, you don't have too much time to "hyper optimize" one set of rules, it keeps chaaangin
xSkyline: Got it, thanks @HungryBurger !
DeWitt: My bot have spent all the items to get one brew, not he is waiting for the whole game to get a free spell
DeWitt: :D
Remus_: rest maybe? :D
DeWitt: hm
DeWitt: ok, it is a bug. i have free +2 spell, but it doesn't want to use it
pedrosorio: this is what I like about coding bots, we talk about them as if they had free will :P
Remus_: Well, in my case it's true, because I sure don't know what the heck it's doing
pedrosorio: haha
pedrosorio: I knew exactly what my bot was doing, but between the previous version and the current one I added so many tunable parameters that I now have no intuition how to change them to get the bot to perform better xD
Gronahak: Hi ! My bot is acting weird on the ladder for some fights so I send it to the IDE to debug, and there he acts normally. Any ideas as to why ? :thinking: I do not use any RNG
HungryBurger: Maybe the opponent is using RNG?
Nerchio: depends on what "acting weird' means
rwilson: Gronahak - do you have anything limited by time spent? Likely to be different beween ide & arena.
Gronahak: @HungryBurger have this problem for several opponents but maybe
pedrosorio: @Gronahak, you can also press "replay in same conditions" several times to see how it acts in multiple runs with same initial conditions
lambrosk: Guys what is the point of placing tax?
Gronahak: @Nerchio Just doing a WAIT instead of acting ^^
lambrosk: I tried learning a spell at index 2 or 3 without having tax
lambrosk: and it worked
HungryBurger: Last content, I saw a battle where my bot lost in a very specific way I wanted to fix, so I brought it into the IDE, and it wouldn't repro.
pedrosorio: @lambrosk, if the perfect spell is there and you want it and don't want your opponent to have it
lambrosk: ohh
pedrosorio: @lambrosk :O
lambrosk: so a tax prevents enemy from learning
Nerchio: @Gronahak well maybe you changed the code between arena and now or something idk
lambrosk: i musth ave missread
rwilson: lambrosk - tax works both ways... read careful
pedrosorio: @lambrosk, no you pay the tax to get the spell at index > 0
Gronahak: Thanks for the feedback all :D
lambrosk: okay got it thank you
rwilson: pedrosorio and you GET the tax on any spell you learn ... so if the free one has 10 blue on it, you get a nice full inventory to deal with.
pedrosorio: haha
Gronahak: @rwilson I do actually, this could very well be the reason why
pedrosorio: I haven't gotten that deep into it, but I suppose collecting a lot of blue can slow you down in some cases
icecream17: uh, do any of you have the website which shows all the inputs and debugging for a game replay id?
Zenoscave: has anyone compiled the ref offline successfully?
Zenoscave: src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java:[531,23] incompatible types: java.util.Optional<java.lang.Object> cannot be converted to java.util.Optional<com.codingame.game.spell.Spell>
Scarfield: pingstroBytes
jacek: AutomatonNN can you ping someone for me?
AutomatonNN: why would you promote to gold?
Astrobytes: Lurkfield
Zenoscave: confusedcave
Astrobytes: Zenohuh
Astrobytes: And no, I haven't tried
Zenoscave: Seems Java15 is incompatitble
Scarfield: still only made a random bot, probably wont make it to instant bronze :'(
DeWitt: how do you print anything on the sceen?
struct: Did you figure it Zenoscave?
icecream17: OUTPUT <space> COMMENTS
Zenoscave: nope not yet
Scarfield: silver *
struct: Check discord fall-challenge channel
struct: Some people had problems aswell
Zenoscave: :+1:
Astrobytes: toofastformetocorrectyouField ;)
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: Ecks-Dee-minate! Ecks-Dee-minate!
DeWitt: icecream17 , it doesn't work. it thinks that i want to repeat a spell
icecream17: Output <space> <#> comments
pedrosorio: does anyone know the requirements to get to silver league?
Scarfield: minate? you should have been here the other day though. I was super tired and made so many spelling errors you could have had a field day :p
DeWitt: # character?
blasterpoard: pedrosorio you'll make it
Astrobytes: "field day" love it.
Dalek-field. Exterminate! Ecks-Dee-minate!
DeWitt: is there silver league yet?
icecream17: # for "Number"
icecream17: Maybe also for comment
icecream17: Some languages have "//" for comment instead
LastRick: pedrosorio: I've heard to expect a percentage cutoff initially, but I dont know for certain
Astrobytes: Doctor Who daleks Scarfield
DeWitt: I still didn't get it
Zenoscave: My OoC fork repo was in the comments on discord lol Funny
Zenoscave: Turns out I fixed my own problem before I had it
DeWitt: CAST spell_id [?] [myComment]
Scarfield: ah, never seen it so the references go right over my head
icecream17: CAST ID #COMMENT
ParticleBeam: Explain
icecream17: instead of
DeWitt: :D
icecream17: CAST ID Repeat
Astrobytes: Shocking Scarfield, shocking :P
DeWitt: let me try
DeWitt: thanks
pedrosorio: @LastRick but percentage cutoff is weird, because you can make it there any time until the fall challenge ends, right?
icecream17: You can use other symbols to prevent the repeat: CAST ID //comment
DeWitt: interesting
Michael_Howard: If you learn a spell at index 1, with 1 tax on it (i.e. enough to pay) but have no blue, do you get the spell & break even, or is it "no you can't have credit till end of turn"
LastRick: again, i dont know. but there has to be some criteria for where they stick the boss in bronze, correct?
icecream17: The separator is a space for both for some reason
Scarfield: pedrosorio yea you can league up until contest ends, and the "contest" will be available as multiplayer after it ends
LastRick: so thats been my criteria for success in bronze (and i might be wrong): I find someone ranked around 40% and play against their code in my IDE
icecream17: Every time I lose it's either super close or I lose by >30 points
icecream17: And nothing seeems to be wrong, i'm just making a few less potions, and my bot seeems to be doing something
Scarfield: hmm thought i had seen Doctor Who being on Netflix, apparently not
Astrobytes: Oh they removed it to the BBC one and Amazon I think Scarfield
Astrobytes: 'Britbox'
Scarfield: sadness, have heard that its great, just never seen it
Astrobytes: Story-wise it's a bit weak currently but it's great yeah
Majeck: Fellas what do you think is better, a potion that gives me 10 rupees in 5 turns or a potion that gives me 4 rupees in 2 turns
LastRick: A little frustrating. I see a game in the Arena where my code times out. I send those parameters to the IDE and replay and I DON'T timeout. How do I debug this?
Astrobytes: There are always torrent-y solutions ofc
Scarfield: the big library yes
Majeck: LastRick my code doesn't even throw an error when it times out :)
**eulerscheZahl officially warns Astrobytes
jacek: huh
**Astrobytes wonders for what?
eulerscheZahl: for the torrent (kidding)
LastRick: Majeck: Since theyre the same $/turn, wouldn't it depend on if your opponent were playing quickly or big $? My best guess.
**Astrobytes torrents frantically
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: * Scarfield forgot how to do this
Astrobytes: / m e something
**eulerscheZahl slaps Scarfield around a bit with a large fishbot
eulerscheZahl: /slap alsow works
Majeck: Yeah I just had two potions with the same $/T and was wondering which potion I should tell my witch to brew
**Scarfield like this
**Astrobytes schools Scarfield in the art of /me-ing
Scarfield: yay
icecream17: You can look at your debug at clicking on "Replay and Share" then clicking the < ... > at the Game Information thing
PatrickMcGinnisII: his sh8t being launched today in a few minutes i believe and they won't let him on property
struct: I watched a bit, but that was too complicated to me
struct: I never did DP
Majeck: What places and up will ascend to silver according to you all?
struct: Maybe I did DP by mistake before
Scarfield: ooh nice link euler, didnt realise emi l was errichto
Astrobytes: oh errichto's taking a DP approach. How surprising :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: watch launch, it's at 7:27 EST
Scarfield: wait lol, he was watching a replay xD
eulerscheZahl: emil is not Erricht o
Scarfield: and i failed misserably at not pinging
Astrobytes: so did euler
Astrobytes: :D
pedrosorio: @icecream17 if they use a rule similar to "better than default Ai bot", you should make it easily
icecream17: i think the boss is gonna be around 250th
PatrickMcGinnisII: my bot is learning stuff, but i haven't figured out the tax yet.
PatrickMcGinnisII: the default is still kicking my butt 80% of the time
LastRick: I'll confess, I still don't understand repeatable
icecream17: repeatable: if true, you can do the cast multiple times in 1 turn
eulerscheZahl: AB => CD also includes
AABB => CCDD
ParticleBeam: Repeatable allows you to cast the spell multiples times in one round if you have the ingredients
eulerscheZahl: and AAABBB => CCCDDD
AAAABBBB => CCCCDDDD
struct: If I get gold Ill call it an achievement
struct: I have no clue what Im doing
LastRick: i guess i never have enough ingredients then
icecream17: repeatable is true if:
not 4 basic spells
subtracts at least 1 ingredient
PatrickMcGinnisII: lost 400 places on leaderboard overnight again, people arre putting in some effort
DeWitt: when i am buying a cast, do i need to have evnough items in the begging of the purchase, or i can use ones that are on the cast?(tax)
icecream17: enough items in the begnninng
icecream17: "The read-ahead tax is applied after learnt spells have disappeared from the tome,"
icecream17: followed by something i dont understand " meaning new spells may be present in the 6 available when the ingredients are placed."
ntroPi: thats because the other player may have learned a skill too
ntroPi: so your tax may be placed on a skill that was too far up before you chose.
LastRick: Patrick: Same. I've lost 200 spots today with code that is my better (IMO) than early. I mean yesterday I was never break 70 rupees. Today, hit 116. But others are cranking too. Place has been busy all day.
ToshiTuringMachine: DeWitt You may only do this if you can afford it. tax incomes after
PatrickMcGinnisII: wow, i gotta go thru mine...no idea how values got switched ... i got a ghost in my machine
gitKad: What do you guys do to measure a turns elapsed time in Javascript? I thout performance.now() would be precise enough, but most of my round take " 80 ms " without getting disqualified...
icecream17: start the timer after the first input
Astrobytes: ^
rwilson: gitKad - be extra careful with your timings. it's pretty easy to accidentally be timing 'your time+opponent time'
gitKad: Ha wow. Thank you very much :thumbsup_tone2:
icecream17: those candles look very dangerous
gitKad: Love it, my clocks went from ~80ms / turn to < 2 ms / turn :grin:
Astrobytes: Knowledge is power gitKad ;)
PatrickMcGinnisII: damn, my bot works better now that the values are correct
PatrickMcGinnisII: :8ball: in my machine
LastRick: weird how it works that way
ToshiTuringMachine: how do you cope with opponents moves? every move creates a new tree... with trees on every leaf?
rwilson: adouz - when you learned, you collected the 2 blue on that spells tax
adouz: rwilson - but in the rules at Learning Spells: it says '...If the witch's inventory is full, the excess is discarded.'
rwilson: which is what it's showing in the replay. i don't actually see a point where you have 11 in inventory ( it sortof animates it, but then animates the discarding of it )
ToshiTuringMachine: you can't have 11. it's 10
ToshiTuringMachine: rwilson is correct
Astrobytes: excess is discarded so your inventory maxes out at 10
Astrobytes: :digit_one::digit_zero:
adouz: is that mean that it just problem with animation?
Astrobytes: the frames don't always match up to the data (sometimes), trust the data
rwilson: to be fair, the animation in the replay does show 1 of the blue push into inventory - making the tier-3 dorito chip smash into the middle of the inventory area -- but it immediately gets animated back ( on Chrome ) ... could be getting stuck on other browser
adouz: alright i was just confused, thank u
cegprakash: Magus printing some probability in messages lol
Keb: Hi, quick question, do you know if it's possible to require("pref_hooks") in typescript ?
phord: Witchy-talk is public debugging. lol
rwilson: ;) i prefer the ones that use it to smack talk ;)
phord: I assumed that's what it's for, but I don't watch the animations, tbh.
Astrobytes: you'll see all kinds of output there :D
phord: The replay animation just shows up as a black screen for me (Linux, Brave browser). I get the first frame, and then the rest is black.
Anyone else?
Astrobytes: I'd recommend closing the browser (or just the tab, prob browser) and try again
rwilson: Nice ;) seen a bunch of 12-ish in arena... never seen tax get that high though .... IDE playing against someone? or your own bot?
Icebox: against myself
Loran: that is an impressive tax count
rwilson: ;) you really don't like that spell for some reason then ... huh ?
Astrobytes: tf though
aristotelis-bobas: looool
cegprakash: all top 100 have some tree based search :o
cegprakash: that makes me sad
cegprakash: I have not even started a search yet
dreadylein: mh ?
dreadylein: ah
LastRick: Does the game give you you and your opponents scores as data?
Astrobytes: second loop
Astrobytes: you're player i==0
rwilson: LastRick - last INT on the inventory input lines..
LastRick: oh yeah, its with the inventory. Hidden away in a subroutine, thanks everyone
Astrobytes: np
LastRick: if your code is like mine, it's a mile long
Astrobytes: Mines just a few more lines than the default to get to Bronze, not coding properly until tomorrow
LastRick: *weeps into code***
AFOLOGO: kh
Astrobytes: anyway, goodnight/happy coding/good luck/have fun etc. See you all tomorrow
LastRick: night
Gabbek: good night
phord: How can you tell that another player has a tree-based search?
Atomic_coder: morning
dreadylein: hey
Good_Coder: morning
Hjax: does someone have a brutaltester referee for the contest?
Nerchio: hjax
Nerchio: run from java quickly
Nerchio: in this contest :D
aCat: run from java always :D
Illedan: Java runs on everything
dreadylein: mhh
dreadylein: why run from it ? :P
Remus_: Crew-1 launch in 1 min if anyone is interested
Illedan: ty
Cappefra: so my bfs can't handle more than 4 spells without timeouts
Cappefra: I'm already avoiding visited nodes...
dreadylein: time for optimizimg :)
Cappefra: hints on how to optimize?
dreadylein: what language are you using ?
Cappefra: c#
Gabbek: I have a very weird issue, anyone has some idea what could it be?
I'm using C# and allocating available actions in my search - each iteration takes much less than 1ms, but sometimes there's a single iteration which takes around 10-20ms. What could it be? Seems like garbage collection since the operations are really cheap and there's no way that there would be so much more computing required in a certain case.
dreadylein: yeah gc most likely
dreadylein: @cappefra in this case you have tons of options for sure :)
cegprakash: add a feature -> rank drops
Gabbek: Cappefra - I would suggest a bit of pruning
Gabbek: if you have 2 spells available: 1st which generates 3 blues, and 2nd which generates 2 blues - always use 3 blues, for example
dreadylein: basicly check what could eat up a lot of cycles, simplify logic, think about the smallest way you can save the gamestate, try to decrease branching condition to a minimum, thinking about function calls and if they are absolutly needed or if you can inline them
Gabbek: dreadylein any idea if you can do something about garbage collection then?
dreadylein: if you want to motivate yourself eulersche is at #1 atm seems to visit around 30-60k nodes in c#
Gabbek: noowhere close to eulersche, but I would like to atleast not timeout due to situation like this :(
Remus_: That is kinda bonkers, I am trying to match him, but can't get over 20k atm :( Also mine is buggy as hell
Gabbek: and using 20ms instead of 50ms doesn't sound like a good solution :D
dreadylein: you can try to give the ilvm a hint to not gc by marking it critical, but this only works if you actualy sure you dont need to :P
pedrosorio: Rank 200, visiting 400 unique nodes in Python :D
Gabbek: nice one pedrosorio :D
dreadylein: best is normaly not to create toomany stuff that needs to be collected
cegprakash: how euler earns 50 rupees more than me in every game
Gabbek: so I should change my game actions from a class to an int, correct?
dreadylein: most likely cheating :D
dreadylein: it depends, but in this case yeah it will most likely help
Gabbek: well then, I'll try that tomorrow - thank you very much for the insight
Gabbek: I just couldn't figure out anything so I've asked, thanks a lot :)
dreadylein: np
linjoehan: I'm still thinking about how to do this one.
KrabbyFR: Good evening! Can someone help me with this?
KrabbyFR: Is the first spells are free for both witches?
KrabbyFR: or only to the first one who learned it?
dreadylein: ?
dreadylein: the first spell is always free
dreadylein: or what do you mean
KrabbyFR: for both of them?
dreadylein: at least if iirc
dreadylein: yeah should be
Hjax: when one witch takes it from the shop, the other cant have it anymore
Hjax: er, tome
KrabbyFR: yeah
Hjax: if they take it at the same time, they both get it
pedrosorio: yes, the first spell you receive in the input is free
KrabbyFR: sorry I yeah I used another term xD
Loran: yeah free for bottom slot. since both take at same time they both get tax and it has no cost.
KrabbyFR: ok thank you, seems like I can't learn the first tome for free somehow :/ let me see where's the bug lol
KrabbyFR: ah, so like you cannot learn for free the last tome for example?
KrabbyFR: nvm
KrabbyFR: thanks hahaha
Loran: yes first in order not as in the first spell you buy
alexthe2: can I install pip packages?
Hjax: no
alexthe2: can I create multiple files?
Hjax: no
alexthe2: ok thanks
KrabbyFR: hum actually I can't figure that out: my witch first actionw as to learn the most expensive tome, but it says not enough ingredients to learn
Hjax: you have to pay the tax
Hjax: 1 tier 0 ingredient per page in the tome
KrabbyFR: ok, what is free then?
Loran: which is stored at tome_index
Hjax: the first one is free
KrabbyFR: ....
dreadylein: the first one is free means
Hjax: the second one costs 1, third one costs 2
dreadylein: the first spell in the list :)
KrabbyFR: omg I'm so sorry hahaha
dreadylein: so basicly learn 0 is always free hehe
Hjax: yeah what dreadylein says
KrabbyFR: ok I thought the very first "one learned" is free hahaha
KrabbyFR: I need to walk away from my screen for a bit I think, but it's so addicting
KrabbyFR: thanks guys!
AbsentMoon: Does anyone mind giving me some strategies for picking spells to learn and a system of how you implement those spells?
icecream17: that's what the contest is about
icecream17: i mean, i try to calculate how helpful each spell is
icecream17: *learn, tome
icecream17: well, first actually,
icecream17: i use the fastWayToDoEachRecipe
icecream17: and then choose the most helpful learn or spell, or do a potion
icecream17: some people simulate games to see which option is the best
AbsentMoon: Interesting. Thanks for the help. I might just manually put in the ones I think are best lol
Weltal327: Can anyone give me advice on how to figure out why my code doesn't deliver an output in time?
Lysk: run it locally (by copypasting some valid inputs)?
AllYourMCTS: print out times at various points in your code
BrunoFelthes: @Weltal327 are you using language with garbage collector?
AbsentMoon: Does anyone have a list of the tome spells with their ID's? I have the list off GitHub, but I don't want to go through the process of figuring out the ID's.
Counterbalance: the ids change when they're learned so I didn't bother. I just check for the deltas to get an index in a static array.
LastRick: Amazing how many people are playing this contest
danjrauch: Can you compile with c++14?
Counterbalance: servers use c++17
AbundantPuddle: To make things easy on myself, I like to make all my variable names one character.
AbundantPuddle: It's not. It's a joke. It wouldn't make sense if I said not to thrust thieves.
Zenoscave: It makes just as much sense as what you said.
AbundantPuddle: Not at all.
yhyoxx: you cant joke with false statements
AbundantPuddle: You must be a hoot at parties.
Rodrigo_the_coder: 'thrust' the bots
Rodrigo_the_coder: a CSB joke
Zenoscave: I am. You must be a hoot at barrel jumping
AbundantPuddle: Lol yhyoxx
AbundantPuddle: Okay, I'm just going to assume that you're trolling now.
AbundantPuddle: gg
NoobCod3: im just gonna practice coding
Zenoscave: Nah, not trolling. I just assumed you didn't like getting off your high horse like you assumed I didn't get the joke
Zenoscave: see barrel jumping. high horse. that's funny
phord: I think this thread has run its course, folks.
NoobCod3: guys i might stream on here tomorr
NoobCod3: tomorrow
gitKad: :point_up:
NoobCod3: :NumberOne
AbundantPuddle: If you're not trolling, then you obviously didn't get the joke, and you were too stubborn to admit it and felt foolish when you had the entire chat explain it to you. I never was on a high horse, you were the one who obviously knew everything the whole time.
NoobCod3: I'm acutally gonna stream tomorrow
Zenoscave: Good luck NoobCod3. enjoy the stream :)
NoobCod3: thank you @Zenoscave
NoobCod3: Hope you have a good dary
NoobCod3: day
NoobCod3: or whatever
yhyoxx: im actually a hoot everywhere :clown:
NoobCod3: brb
NoobCod3: hello
NoobCod3: I changed my picture
Icebox: jesus what is happening in here
yhyoxx: x)
Rodrigo_the_coder: :bento:
Rodrigo_the_coder: :poop:
phord: Mike Tyson was looking for a fight over hear.
phord: Mike Tyson was looking for a fight over here.
Rodrigo_the_coder: i am rank 14,001 in CSB
Zenoscave: Yeah I had a bit of a meltdown. Sorry bout that. took offense to the speech impediment thing
phord: --------End of thread---------
Zenoscave: How's your bot doing Icebox
Rodrigo_the_coder: shell restart
phord: ^L
Rodrigo_the_coder: the creator of codingame is onlune
EladYaniv01: how do i identify which player am i ? in python
