Laminator: He keeps his secrets. Hence never sharing his code
ImaNoob: bruh
ImaNoob: bghtmd,
Harrogin: i feel like everyone who codes in Ruby comes up with crazy elegant solutions really fast
ImaNoob: ok
Laminator: They have access to more tools
ImaNoob: But which is the best way to learn ruby
Ugu_Ugu: University
ImaNoob: university?
Ugu_Ugu: yes~
ImaNoob: ok
ImaNoob: University is a website?
Ugu_Ugu: if u study hard, you can reach there
ImaNoob: ok
ImaNoob: ima learn on oy youtube
ImaNoob: and maybe i'll learn c++ too
Ugu_Ugu: good job
ImaNoob: ok
ImaNoob: it's seem like python is easy for me so i'll use Pyton
ImaNoob: :money_mouth:
KcalbCube: hello all!
VizGhar: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7a7e1a11-b0e2-427c-a955-ca65f6f70b34
random12313: A1
64
random12313: input output
random12313: Input
Expected output
F4
74
random12313: t8
124
random12313: (869
-829
random12313: %8988
9025
random12313: someone has any idea?
BorisH: @random12313: You are a cheater. Anyhow - consider ascii and mod
random12313: i sumbitted it empy
random12313: empty...
xlr4829: cheater
jacek: oO
KiwiTae: lol
ChattrBox: hi
LinhT.Nguyen: please guys enough with the accusations. it's about learning and improving not cheating
Uljahn: there is no learning and improving in being fed with the answers
KiwiTae: ooh Uljahn o/
Uljahn: hihi Kiwo
MSmits: it's kiwi, look at the avatar. Its the fruit!
MSmits: and it's also a bird
MSmits: KiwiTae I am fascinated by your avatar
Einwickler: It's a visual teapot
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/493152117
MSmits: look what my dude does at the end
MSmits: it's a real problem with solving games. He's like, screw it -> Geronimooooo,
MSmits: this game I solved at ply 10.
MSmits: (as a loss)
Einwickler: Oh dear. But you would have been losing at that point anyway right?
MSmits: yes
MSmits: 3 moves left, last being my opponents, so it was a lost cause
Einwickler: So it's kind of a neat feature to shorten the replays ;)
MSmits: problem is, i solve much earlier
MSmits: i know at ply 10 I have lost
MSmits: so what move to do? If everything is a loss
MSmits: frame 10 sry, that's ply 9 i guess
Einwickler: Take the worst move available to shorten the replay? Dunno :thinking:
MSmits: that would be a bad idea. The thing is, my opponent doesn't know he has won
MSmits: so he might still make a mistake
MSmits: so i should still do the best move. At the end it doesn't really matter, as my opponent surely knows, but at ply 9 it really does
Einwickler: Ah yes of course. :joy:
MSmits: so what I do know, because it's mcts, I take the move with the most visits
MSmits: which is likely the best move and if not, at least the one hardest to solve and giving the longest game
Einwickler: Whats the mieaning of visits in this context?
MSmits: oh, mcts is a search algorithm with random simulations
MSmits: it keeps growing the tree by making simulations from a leaf of the tree
MSmits: preferring better branches of course
MSmits: as opposed to minimax, which just does all branches to equal depth
Einwickler: So its minimax with a brain? :)
MSmits: mmh i guess so, it's a bit more involved yeah
MSmits: it's used in uttt as well
MSmits: but people do ok with minimax
MSmits: top 10 is probably all mcts, below that minimax gets more common as you go down
MSmits: in some games minimax works better
MSmits: but you should learn minimax before mcts
Einwickler: I still didnt do the minimax implementation for uttt. Im kinda stuck with the idea of finally doing things in c++ in favor of the languages im comfortable with because they kinda suck in performance
MSmits: mmh i wouldnt start with C++
MSmits: I did my first UTTT in C#
Einwickler: And Im reaaally slow in doing things in c
Einwickler: *c++
MSmits: then converted to C++ in 2 days, having never coded anything in c++ before that
MSmits: (1000 lines!)
MSmits: so conversion is doable
Einwickler: Yeah I had some C in my classes but the prof was kinda bad so I didnt really learned that much
Einwickler: Since then i am avoiding this subject of low level like languages :D
MSmits: same, i think i had a very short class, with no explanations, just muddle along on your own, i copied what my fellow students did. This was 20 yrs ago
MSmits: this was in the context of coding for physics
MSmits: we were supposed to solve the schrodinger equation for an infinite well using c
Einwickler: This is so sad. We had a really good class using ruby and I learned a lot about it. But I would exchange that knowledge for finally being able to properly code in c++ at any time
MSmits: you need to know very little c++ to effectively code for boardgames on CG
Einwickler: My biggest problem for the basic stuff actually is handling collections
MSmits: mostly it is learning about pointers and memory, forward declaration and such
MSmits: ahh, well the thing is. Once you are optimizing for a boardgame, you use the collection types less and less
Einwickler: It's so convenient in high level languages
MSmits: until in the end, you're just using giant arrays
MSmits: you dont realize though, with the higher languages, how slow your fancy collection types are
Einwickler: But arrays are of static size? So you just declare them with a huge size at the beginning?
MSmits: yes
MSmits: Node nodes[NODE_MAX];
MSmits: const int NODE_MAX = 25000000;
MSmits: (thats a lotta nodes)
Einwickler: Oh boy, that doesn't really sound more performant to me but I guess it is?
MSmits: the thing that makes it performant is that you dont need to create new objects during run time
MSmits: they're there
MSmits: you're just using them
MSmits: and creating a new object is just incrementing an index to the array
MSmits: nodeIndex++
Einwickler: Ah yeah sure because in board games you only care about performance/run time per move right?
MSmits: yeah pretty much
MSmits: well
MSmits: if you do minimax
MSmits: evaluation of the board is super important
MSmits: but if you take that as a given, the next step would be performance
Einwickler: Yes but I mean you can do the setup of your huge arrays at the start and then just reuse them?
MSmits: minimax doesnt use a node array though
MSmits: you dont store your nodes
MSmits: this is a mcts thing
MSmits: well technically you can store them, but you dont need to
MSmits: minimax doesnt use memory at all
MSmits: well.. a negligible amount
Einwickler: But you still store your board state at least once at any given time
MSmits: yeah just that
MSmits: do / undo moves
MSmits: mcts keeps statistics
MSmits: so you need lots of memory
Einwickler: But for a 3x3 board thats really to be ignored I guess :D
MSmits: for any size really
MSmits: a 9x9 board is still very small
Einwickler: sure
MSmits: in mcts the board size matters
MSmits: because if the board size is small, you can save it on the node
MSmits: and then you dont need to do/undo moves when moving through the tree
MSmits: since the boards are already fully on the nodes
programistination: Hello
programistination: Mr Physics
MSmits: hi
Einwickler: Don't want to deep dive into this at this point but what is the point of storing the board states in the nodes in mcts? Or did I get this wrong? Whats wrong with just storing its rating if thats all you care about?
Einwickler: Just tell me if thats a question you would have to go deep into it
MSmits: oh, well, when you go down the tree, you modify your board, by applying the move that goes with the node
MSmits: sometimes applying a move, is a complicated thing that takes time
Einwickler: Dont want to get confused before I even started with minimax :D
MSmits: if the next boardstate is already on the node, you dont have to apply the move
MSmits: since you already have the result of it
Einwickler: Ah so its kind of trading memory against computing time for next depth?
MSmits: generally, if a boardstate is 128 bit or smaller, i keep it on the node
MSmits: exactly
Einwickler: Got it
Einwickler: Makes sense
programistination: mr Physics what are Differentiel equations used for in physics
MSmits: for coming up with new formula's using the physical constraints that come with the situation you're looking at
MSmits: basically, everywhere in physics
MSmits: it's the most important math
programistination: I did them in math last year
MSmits: for example waves, waves are everywhere
programistination: linear , bernoulli , homogenoeus
MSmits: the second derivative of the function is equal to minus that function
MSmits: that gives a wave
programistination: interesting
MSmits: well add some constants
MSmits: remove the minus
MSmits: and you have an exponential
MSmits: waves are everywhere in physics
MSmits: exponentials also
MSmits: i dont remember all the ways of solving them as we stop just short of this in my physics classes
programistination: but when you study them in math classes
programistination: it's bs
programistination: you just solving some equations
programistination: and you don't know nothing about the physical aspect of it xD
programistination: idk
MSmits: thats annoying about math yes
MSmits: and why i didnt like it when i was younger
programistination: well there are two types of ppl
programistination: there are the ones who can't study something that can't be experienced or touched
programistination: and there is the opposite
Einwickler: But It's really dependent of the teacher you got too
MSmits: well I am somewhere in between. Usually i didn't matter that much, but often in the math classes i did, they went really really abstract
programistination: yep it's kinda boring , when you can't relate it to something in the real word
programistination: world*
MSmits: they would be talking about matrices A and B and then someone would ask for an example
MSmits: then the professor would say
MSmits: well for example take this matrix:
MSmits: a,b,c
d,e,f
g,h,i
MSmits: etc.
MSmits: You get the idea
programistination: lol
programistination: yeah
programistination: abstract vs concrete
Einwickler: My girlfriend just asked me what I did the whole day before I knew this site
TheManeatingPonyVanDerSwag_d59d: Hi all
Einwickler: I dont know anymore :D
Einwickler: HI :wave:
MSmits: it's a good question though
sunksuperset370: hi
Einwickler: MSmits do you know "Selected Papers on Fun and Games" by Don Knuth? Seems to be a book made just for you :)
sunksuperset370: hey ellis
sunksuperset370: allis
Allis: Oh, hi.
sunksuperset370: sorry long time no see
Allis: No worries.
A.F: hi
sunksuperset370: i code during class
Allis: As is only right and proper.
sunksuperset370: no i am in science right now
A.F: how to pass CODERS STRIKE BACK
A.F: ?
A.F: help me please
A.F: :sob:
Uljahn: how may I help you?
sunksuperset370: problem i just rage quit that puzzle
sunksuperset370: i hate the collision part
sunksuperset370: sorry it was just too much for javascript on me
sunksuperset370: any one want to join my clash
sunksuperset370: ?
sunksuperset370: hello?
sunksuperset370: any one want to join my clash of code
sunksuperset370: hey allis
sunksuperset370: any one else?
Allis: Are you streaming?
sunksuperset370: noo
sunksuperset370: nonono
sunksuperset370: i am just in class feeling lonely
sunksuperset370: plus i am not a streamer
sunksuperset370: i am on a chromeboo
sunksuperset370: chromebook
sunksuperset370: i am just asking people on codingame to joining me
Allis: Makes sense.
sunksuperset370: 10 sec
Allis: Probably best to do so in the #clash channel in future.
LastRick: or share a link?
sunksuperset370: ok
sunksuperset370: i will
sunksuperset370: after this clash
MSmits: Einwickler will check it out
sunksuperset370: hold on
sunksuperset370: i will finish this clash then i will put the link in the chat bin
Astrobytes: sunksuperset370: asking for participants in world chat is cool, but post links in #clash as Allis said or in PM
sunksuperset370: ok thx
sunksuperset370: i think i am really bad at this clash
sunksuperset370: i just quit for this one
sunksuperset370: the link is in the #clash
sunksuperset370: please join
sunksuperset370: thx
sunksuperset370: hello
sunksuperset370: please join my clash in #clash
Astrobytes: (and don't spam it, people can still see your original request)
sunksuperset370: oh sorry
jacek: Oo
jacek: hmm, how come d&b has more players than onitama, despite being much newer? :thinking: :eyes:
MSmits: onitama is an acquired taste
jacek: so d&b is for plebs
MSmits: sure
Marchete: agree
jacek: is there some intrinistic for getting list of indexes of bits of integer?
Marchete: yes
jacek: like 0b10001 = {0,4}
jacek: for now i have good old loop
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0be7bb9e-2afe-464f-b3eb-55e0e786758f
jacek: :s
Marchete: it's so ugly it broke the pastebin
jacek: https://pastebin.com/3BUjncqv
Illedan: Hi Marchete. Long time. Zup?
Marchete: I can't see pastebin but I imagine 1ULL<<index
Marchete: yeah
Marchete: doing pleb games
Illedan: pleb?
Marchete: for pleb people
Illedan: Never heard the word pleb before :P
jacek: so nobel
jacek: noble even
Marchete: plebeian
Illedan: aha
Marchete: intrinsic for loop of bitsets is with
Marchete: count_zeroes_right == __builtin_ctzll == _BitScanForward64(&idx, x); in Windows
jacek: thats plebeian system
Marchete: I have some macro for loops
Marchete: a First() then a Next(I)
Marchete: Next takes the last index as parameter
Marchete: #define BOXLOOP(i,bLOOP) (int i = (bLOOP).First(); i >=0; i = (bLOOP).Next(i) )
jacek: is it much faster?
Marchete: no
Marchete: others use a while(){}
Marchete: but in that case you need to remember to do stuff inside the while loop
Marchete: I picked the approach "for BOXLOOP(i, values){}"
Marchete: anyways Msmits_ is the master bitmasker here
MSmits: hi
MSmits: lemme reread your problem jacek
MSmits: ahh
MSmits: lemme give you a code example i use for this. Have to look through a bot or two, i do this a lot
MSmits: I am guessing uttt
jacek: checkers
MSmits: also yeah, sec
jacek: but probably also othello
MSmits: this is how i do it in uttt apparently:
MSmits: https://pastebin.pl/view/316093c6
MSmits: but i do it differently in other games
MSmits: probably better to get the index first, then do 1ULL << index to get the bit to remove
MSmits: instead of doing moves & -moves
jacek: pastebin.pl?
MSmits: no idea, it was the first thing that came up on google :P
MSmits: dunno why
jacek: uint16? its for uttt?
MSmits: this is with a ternary bitboard
MSmits: kind of
jacek: so its triboard
MSmits: not entirely, the moves are binary
MSmits: the board is ternary
MSmits: so i pick the moves with this system off a uint16_t
MSmits: then apply the move to tritboard
jacek: ah so its looped __builtin_ctz. i thought it would be something more fancy
MSmits: if that i exists, i dont know it
jacek: so it doesnt exist then
MSmits: well fancy builtin stuff usually doesnt return lists
MSmits: at most it's an integer or an array fitting in a simd register or something
zapakh: How do I disable the autocomplete box in the IDE?
eulerscheZahl: jacek 02:40PM
hmm, how come d&b has more players than onitama, despite being much newer? :thinking: :eyes:
eulerscheZahl: and how did it get a straight 5 star rating? :o
eulerscheZahl: 27 votes, all 5 stars. not a single hater yet
Marchete: because it's a nice puzzle
Marchete: no weird rules
Marchete: just a single move type
MSmits: it is, but it's not art, like Onitama :)
eulerscheZahl: but i thought every game gets a 1 star troll at that point
MSmits: did you rate it yet?
eulerscheZahl: i never rate
eulerscheZahl: neither mine nor others
MSmits: hmm ok
MSmits: I rate everything 5 stars :p
eulerscheZahl: i upvote on the contrib page
MSmits: but whats this about stuff getting removed with too many negative votes, is this real?
MSmits: ratings i mean
eulerscheZahl: yes. i think you need 20 votes in total and a low average
MSmits: I see
jacek: challenge accepted
Westicles: Has anyone looked at how many 2048 tests can get the 131k tile? It looks like 14/30 to me
eulerscheZahl: 0 for me. but i'm not a reliable source here
Westicles: I mean in theory. I know that is the upper limit based on the spawns, but might be lower
MSmits: hey Westicles, do you also do bot programming or just optims?
Westicles: You gotta spawn a 4 at the right time, and have no 2s around
Westicles: Never tried the bots. I'm not much good at writing tight fast code
MSmits: you may not have to be if you're this good at writing smart search algo's
jacek: 2048 has 2 1 starts
eulerscheZahl: you don't become a puzzle of the week like that
eulerscheZahl: shame on you 2048
MSmits: who does that
MSmits: seriously
eulerscheZahl: i script. and i'd really like to know how it works
eulerscheZahl: a script*
MSmits: did you say something snarky and they 1 starred you?
eulerscheZahl: or one didn't like the game, no idea
eulerscheZahl: votes are anonymous
MSmits: makes no sense, everyone knows what the game is before starting
MSmits: it's 2048
eulerscheZahl: you can know and hate it at the same time
MSmits: yeah but then just dont start :P
eulerscheZahl: then maybe i got a hater, who knows
MSmits: I'm surprised you're still nr 1 btw. You're not actively working on keeping that rank and royale seemd to be
jacek: :innocent:
MSmits: would have expected him to pass you by now
eulerscheZahl: onitama gained popularity so i climbed back up
eulerscheZahl: he was above me
MSmits: oh, you got boosted
eulerscheZahl: and i did the teccles opening for UTTT :D
MSmits: haha!
MSmits: good man
jacek: did you go up then?
eulerscheZahl: from 140 to 100 approx
MSmits: it's one of the nice heuristics that actually works well
MSmits: though not 100%,you can lose by applying it, I've seen cases
MSmits: kar liso once told me his bot is 3k+ lines
MSmits: mine is big at 1k
MSmits: I can't imagine what fancy heuristics are in there.
eulerscheZahl: in my ranking range it's a boost for sure
MSmits: yeah, my bot even uses it still
jacek: it even me god boosted by acout 10 ranks
MSmits: in all cases
jacek: tttt
jacek: i cant type today
MSmits: teccles tic tac toe?
MSmits: btw you can also do the teccles within the search
MSmits: not just for picking the move
MSmits: you can get much deeper that way
jacek: i only use it in the opening
eulerscheZahl: no i can't. would require refactoring
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: i have a few pruning rules that are not 100% guaranteed, so my search tree resets a lotr
MSmits: because my opponent does a move i didnt search
MSmits: like teccles, if he doesnt do teccles, my search tree is gone
eulerscheZahl: i don't have that problem. i don't reuse my tree :D
MSmits: ahh, yeah, well i end up not reusing it much either this way
eulerscheZahl: do you see a way to expand a node without listing all possible next moves first and then picking one?
eulerscheZahl: to allocate memory for all children right away
jacek: nah i always expand by every children
MSmits: yeah i do too
eulerscheZahl: ok, then i waste time somewhere else
jacek: actually i cant imagine one node at a time, like in early mcts go literature
MSmits: a small bias toward avoiding moves that give your opponent a free move, helps
MSmits: in selection i mean
jacek: or adding bonus for moves that win small board
MSmits: because these moves are generally very bad and also cause lots of branching
MSmits: yeah supposedly that works, i have not been able to see much difference though
MSmits: might depend on the rest of the bot
eulerscheZahl: nah, not going back to it. i'd rather give 2048 a more serious shot
MSmits: eulerscheZahl once you have all the basic stuff done, most gains will be gotten from optimizing the random rollout
MSmits: and that's not fun for you
eulerscheZahl: you know me
_Royale: MSmits: eulerscheZahl: I will probably start Onitama soon :)
MSmits: that's cool _Royale :)
MSmits: you'll like it
MSmits: beware bugs with card rotation and such, you can get stuck a little bit
eulerscheZahl: oh dear, rip #1
MSmits: there's always yavalath :)
eulerscheZahl: :poop:
MSmits: hey it's fun :)
MSmits: FB probably has room for improvement for you eulerscheZahl
MSmits: if you were looking for cp
eulerscheZahl: i know
eulerscheZahl: or golfing
MSmits: vindinium too
MSmits: your own game :P
MSmits: you can do better than 26 for sure
eulerscheZahl: 25?
MSmits: i dunno , but you lack 1500 cp there, so a few ranks help a ton
Westicles: golfing is fun. love those vb.net and pascal system calls
eulerscheZahl: i had vindinium on my TODO for ages. back when it was still hosted on vindinium.org
eulerscheZahl: then suddenly it was offline so i decided to port and play on CG
eulerscheZahl: still on my TODO :(
MSmits: lol
MSmits: i should go back and give that a try
MSmits: now that i am better at the whole minimax thing
eulerscheZahl: or GitC
MSmits: oh yeah
MSmits: i never got the hang of that
eulerscheZahl: i remember your struggle
Illedan: One of the prettiest games though
MSmits: i love that part of it yeah
eulerscheZahl: codebusters and hypersonic have the best graphics IMO
MSmits: it's really one of those games that makes you think, wow that's great. And then when you start: umm now what?
MSmits: they look cool yeah
MSmits: wow i am 2nd in HS!
MSmits: oh it's yurkovas
Westicles: Hey Illedan, I'm having to turn my snake different directions per test case for 2048. Did you have that problem?
MSmits: he was asking me questions the other day, i guess he boosted me
Illedan: I have code for it yeah
Illedan: but I lost motivation at that point
Illedan: But I didn't need it for that score
MSmits: 'turning the snake" is 2048 jargon?
Illedan: ye
wlesavo: ru chat is all about 2048 :slight_smile:
Illedan: Nice
eulerscheZahl: i was stalking you Russians a bit
Westicles: Do the russians agree with me that only 14 of the test cases can possibly get the 131k tile?
eulerscheZahl: validators are public. and the same as the visible testcases
wlesavo: Westicles yes, and only 4 for 131 + 65
Westicles: oh, I didn't get that far. only have 3 131k so far
wlesavo: quite nice distribution actually, i wonder if it was meant to be this way
Illedan: :D
Illedan: Euler at 10 mill be like. Yeah, 100 % planned
eulerscheZahl: definitely planned that way :D
https://tech.io/snippet/rb4qLL4
Illedan: Seed generator?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: RNG from project euler, repeats only after 6 million random numbers
eulerscheZahl: "random"
wlesavo: :smiley: well anyway dbdr should be very close to optimum
sDCrAZzE: ELMOP
sDCrAZzE: es delanka po feef rejup
sDCrAZzE: poof de fuef le jeje
eulerscheZahl: 6308949 numbers in the cycle to be exact
wlesavo: cycles of 80k would be ok :slight_smile:
Westicles: I was really surprised you can get 50M using only 3 dirs
Illedan: :)
Illedan: Helps to know where numbers spawn
dbdr: oh, russian speakers are squatting the top 5
Illedan: I keep only 3 dirs until a certain point to get more simulations
Illedan: And I count the number of that last dir. It never goes above 5 in total
Illedan: Meaning I can just disable it under certain conditions
eulerscheZahl: i would give them a friendly hi but all i know is "cyka blat"
Illedan: :P
wlesavo: this will count
dbdr: and #8 has 54M :D
eulerscheZahl: and then: nothing
Illedan: Was nicer 1 week ago when I was chilling here alone :P
dbdr: Illedan is a sprinter
Illedan: Always
eulerscheZahl: and then he gets a cramp
Illedan: Did a few marathons though :P
dbdr: 2km marathons? ;)
Illedan: 42km, but best is only 4 hours :P
eulerscheZahl: marathons in real life? wow
dbdr: sounds pretty good already
Ferreato: hy
Illedan: Sure did 2. And 2 months ago I did a half-marathon in the mountains
Ferreato: i'm new here
eulerscheZahl: i need a ball to motivate me to run
Astrobytes: "Fetch euler!"
eulerscheZahl: woof
Astrobytes: "good boy"
KiwiTae: Illedan trail runner? :D
KiwiTae: im doing a 75km in the jungle next month
Astrobytes: that sounds fairly brutal
sDCrAZzE: es lamle kil toeb fer feuf
sDCrAZzE: im american ididot
sDCrAZzE: s'
Shadowtick: hello everyone
KiwiTae: Shadowtick o/
Einwickler: Good evening (or whatever it is in your tz) :wave:
KiwiTae: Einwickler o/
Einwickler: Kiwi *nod*
Einwickler: I dont like this emoticon KiwiTae. As a german this angled raised arm has a really bad taste to it :fearful:
MSmits: I agree, everyone but Germans should use it :P
KiwiTae: o/<3 better?
Astrobytes: If you look at it the other way, it's actually the other arm
KiwiTae: haha
Einwickler: So we are checking who is german and who isn't again? I dont think thats a good idea too :joy:
MSmits: true
eulerscheZahl: we already know that anyways
eulerscheZahl: i'm not even allowed to declare my stringstream ss
Astrobytes: hahaha
KiwiTae: tough
Hjax: hello everyone ^_^
KiwiTae: and im forbidden to use c++
Astrobytes: hey Hjax, where you been hiding
Einwickler: oh boy this conversation really went sideways fast :D
MSmits: https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/an-amusement-parks-accidental-swastika-ride/378869629388741/ this is one of the funniest mistakes ever
Einwickler: Cheers Hjax :wave:
KiwiTae: ah no my bad lol failed
Hjax: ive been pretty lazy, havent really started a code of ice and fire yet
echossouth: Sup everyone
Astrobytes: I don't want to click the link MSmits but I remember that story
Hjax: i read the post mortems and understand how the game works i think
Astrobytes: Nerchio got legend Hjax, now you must
MSmits: yeah, i can't believe noone thought of this :)
Einwickler: MSmits yeah I know this one :D
Hjax: nerchio has been working hard
Astrobytes: He has indeed
eulerscheZahl: https://3dcad.websharecloud.com/?v=pv&t=p:default,c:panoramaview,h:f,m:t&pv=pv1&pv1=vt:p,u:a5d6a02a-4fea-4c35-8794-49584fbfaf06,cf:47.36,dh:f,st:f,p:0.07139,t:-0.97708&p=hanssachsgymnasium
that's my old school, check the floor
MSmits: hey guys, does anyone know how to use a random seed from all positions in cg benchmark?
Hjax: so the game, as i understand it, is about cutting off your opponents income and preventing your opponent from doing the same
Hjax: the fact that you can make a big path of soldiers in a single turn is pretty unique
Einwickler: eulerscheZahl ohhh dear :scream:
eulerscheZahl: took me years to notice :D
MSmits: Hjax how do you mean unique?
eulerscheZahl: to be fair the floor is way older than 1930
Hjax: you can spawn a soldier next to the soldier you placed on this turn
Astrobytes: wow, oh no :D
Hjax: ive never seen a game like that before
MSmits: oh right
MSmits: it's a pretty cool part of the game though
MSmits: it's not just used to finish the game either
eulerscheZahl: chain kills were a bit too powerful IMO
MSmits: you can also use it to cut off territory
Hjax: yeah its used for those big territory cuts people do
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: The whole game was cool, but yeah the chain kill meta was a bit annoying
eulerscheZahl: still among my favorites
MSmits: it puts a timer on the game, I like it
MSmits: if you let your opponent amass too much gold, you're dead
Hjax: it does look fun, i expect to find time to work on it
Astrobytes: Yeah, was a really enjoyable contest
Hjax: ive been busy some days and lazy the others so far :D
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: I'm still lazy to rewrite my contest code, I already updated it a while ago
MSmits: never redone any contest yet
Astrobytes: yeah but you're 1337
MSmits: :)
MSmits: I want to redo kutulu most of all
MSmits: because i used c++ and my eval is crap
MSmits: used C# i mean
Aliot2000: hi baby
Astrobytes: You just used sanity right?
KiwiTae: did my sim in python for kutulu >,< terrible buggy
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: i was afraid to go back right after contest
MSmits: because if i improve it i might have been 1 at that point =/
MSmits: that would have been frustrating
MSmits: so better avoid it :P
KiwiTae: :joy: MSmits trouble of the gods
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: Top 25 problems
MSmits: hey, Astrobytes you coded a few mcts bots right?
Astrobytes: Sure
MSmits: did you ever do the 1 child continued expansion?
Shadowtick: I made a song but I dont know what to title it
MSmits: i am trying this in bandas, if 3 of the children are immediately solved, keep expanding
MSmits: saves you from doing the whole selection thing again
Astrobytes: No I don't believe I've tried that, sounds worthwhile
MSmits: for some games yeah
Shadowtick: :3 anyways I am gonna go do some puzzles or play doom
MSmits: in oware it is nice, especially if you have a endgame db, so if all moves except one go below 7 seeds, keep going with the one move
MSmits: unless you found a win ofc
MSmits: puzzles or doom...
MSmits: or doompuzzles
Astrobytes: makes sense, seems much more efficient
MSmits: if i search doom, i get 6 users named doom, but no puzzle
MSmits: :(
Shadowtick: no I meant the game
MSmits: we got this
Astrobytes: Now we need a Doom multi
Shadowtick: huh?
MSmits: we got cultist wars :P
Astrobytes: Nothing, just ignore us
Shadowtick: MSmits If you have google sites I can give you the embed code for doom
MSmits: no need
MSmits: but thanks
MSmits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-VTfcmrLEQ
Shadowtick: welp they blocked doom
MSmits: this is seems great
MSmits: for teaching search algo's. They got one for DFS too
Shadowtick: ;-; I cant play it on my google site anymore
Astrobytes: lol, nice MSmits
Aliot2000: hi dude
Astrobytes: The music really worked haha. Great visualisation though
Astrobytes: Explains the whole thing in one go
Astrobytes: DFS one is just as good
MSmits: only thing it lacks is a pathfinding goal. But I guess this is fine. I can use it in the course and say things like: "Say our goal is node 75, which algorithm finds the goal fastest"
Astrobytes: Well yeah, you can adapt to your needs. But this demonstrates the algorithm prefectly
Astrobytes: *perfectly
MSmits: yeah, as a video is perfect
MSmits: also nice would be an animation with settings that you can control
MSmits: like the physics apps here: https://phet.colorado.edu/
Astrobytes: You could do that in C# or python yourself
MSmits: sure, but might be a lot of work
MSmits: a
MSmits: also the visual part is hard
MSmits: for me anyway
Astrobytes: doesn't need to be fancy
MSmits: it helps if it is though, when teaching
MSmits: or at least looks minimally good
Astrobytes: there are graph visualisation libs
MSmits: hmm
Astrobytes: python man, import universe
MSmits: true :)
MSmits: I think I am going to go with the video and improve the course later
MSmits: need to get something functional first
MSmits: I am starting in 3 weeks
Astrobytes: sure, you can work on it as a small project
Astrobytes: The vid will be great
MSmits: I am thinking of maybe an unplugged activity where they have to apply the algorithm to a map on paper
Astrobytes: I would definitely recommend that
Astrobytes: It's a great exercise, it solidifies the process when you work it by hand
MSmits: yeah
Hjax: @MSmits have you seen this? https://qiao.github.io/PathFinding.js/visual/
Astrobytes: ooh yeah, totally forgot about that, good one
MSmits: thats great Hjax, thanks :)
Astrobytes: that'd work great
Shadowtick: can someone tell me if my song is bad?
Shadowtick: because I need to know if I should quit while I am just starting
KiwiTae: Shadowtick sure
KiwiTae: share
Majeck: Sure
Shadowtick: I sent the link to you two
professional_dumbass: me too!
Bouuuuuh: yes share the link
Shadowtick: ok but I dont do it in here
Astrobytes: why not
Shadowtick: because I feel like i would be advertising more and getting kicked for it
Astrobytes: hardly advertising if you want an opinion on it
eulerscheZahl: KiwiTae link your youtube channel to counter the advertising
Bouuuuuh: this is your first song ?
Astrobytes: what style is it?
**eulerscheZahl is italic
Astrobytes: :smirk:
KiwiTae: :joy:
Astrobytes: Someone give me the link, I'm intrigued
Bouuuuuh: me to please
KiwiTae: eulerscheZahl let me stream somth first hehe
Astrobytes: Taking free jazz to new levels
KiwiTae: eulerscheZahl https://www.facebook.com/1310547387/videos/pcb.10224137915378209/10224137915178204 here haha
Shadowtick: oh I dont know what kind of genre or style it is
Shadowtick: it's my first time
Astrobytes: Random. Chromatic tone clusters.
Majeck: I'd recommend getting a rhythm down and maybe adding chords or something to counter the melody
Shadowtick: well it is my first song so I didn't know how to do it
Shadowtick: and I put one of my songs on my latest youtube video
Bouuuuuh: you don't have any music theory ?
Astrobytes: I would strongly recommend learning how to play something first
Majeck: As always the internet is full of help for whatever you want to learn
Bouuuuuh: you can find many ressources on youtube
Shadowtick: well I was using that website to make the song
Shadowtick: but the song on my dbd/dead by daylight video I uploaded is different
BiMathAx: who is Top 1 ?
Hjax: top 1 on this site? either euler or royale depending on the day
Hjax: currently euler
BiMathAx: on this site (i want to be sick :-) )
emvebence: hi
Pitorendo: Na csá
emvebence: Csaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
emvebence: Halo
Lun4rIum: Hi everyone ! Check my contribution ^^ : https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5564aafe65d5fdf713895c668ead67421c97
jacek: meh, now i see checkers lack good statement
shiplu: heya
emvebence: sad
emvebence: HI e
jacek: how may we help you, Sir/Madam
Lun4rIum: Look my contribution sir
BiMathAx: Hello, I have do a new contribution but I don't have the place to the english test... How to have the 2 explanation (French and English with the limitation. Please
jacek: Lun4rIum i think you cant change from puzzle to clash. youd need to make new contribution
Lun4rIum: Oof
Zenoscave: shame
Lun4rIum: I need to turn on my pc to copy everything in a new CoC project
BiMathAx: Test my clash please : https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/55526ca30089ca8ac0f61c126457a59ef39c
Zenoscave: BiMathAx It isn't an orignal clash. there are others that are the same.
BiMathAx: ok... dommage
Wizard_Aesthetics: How do you guys recommend learning C#?
ZefusToutCourt: How i made * all around à Sorel un a print
ZefusToutCourt: worls* not Sorel tf si that
ZefusToutCourt: is*
ZefusToutCourt: like
ZefusToutCourt: *******
ZefusToutCourt: * Hey *
ZefusToutCourt: *******
emvebence: hey
AntiSquid: hey
Zenoscave: hey
jacek: c-c-c-combo breaker
Zenoscave: yw jacek
AntiSquid: spoilsport !
jacek: party pooper?
kill-code: nah
kill-code: all of u
jacek: i see, so pm of external client makes the number tabs
Allis: But they're always empty?
kill-code: right
jacek: kill code pmed me and im conversing
kill-code: wow
jacek: though tab is still some number
kill-code: nope
kill-code: this shit is hard
kill-code: 
kill-code: click this\
jacek: some hacking stuff?
kill-code: nope
kill-code: just click
kill-code:
OmerDrk: I cant f---ing solve Rectangle Partition puzzle
OmerDrk: or how you call it
Zenoscave: why are you trying to make me spam email kill-code
kill-code: no wrong thing
kill-code:
kill-code: nvm
Zenoscave: please stop putting email links in the chat
kill-code: wrong thing
jacek: oO
Zenoscave: You can't embed images in chat btw
kill-code: thank
kill-code: s
kill-code: this is not working
kill-code: :rage:
kill-code: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=a322ca2aa4&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r7409525609710122407&th=17521fd6a6d61e3c&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8QJCAF-6Bo5-7Ipnt_6ad5peTt06Z6Y-ide9mNfXfhkIHHuPrzXdAi_VeEnyo4CBCzS1nUc_GD6ZYd5R_E8BwwkKxtoPNIpR_JMiEKdiVH7fKSxLs3WxNp618&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kg7yixg70
jacek: are you trying to post image?
SzBence: what is that?
jacek: x.X
kill-code: can yall see it tho
Zenoscave: kill-code you can't post images. it just doesn't work in chant
Zenoscave: post a public image link not an email one
kill-code: f****
programistination: shhhhhhhhh
Astrobytes: an imgur link or something would work. Just stop posting links like that please
RustyRobot_c9c7: ight
kill-code: whtt
kill-code: whya\
RustyRobot_c9c7: nm
RustyRobot_c9c7: nvm
Astrobytes: Right. Now stop talking nonsense laddie and do something productive
kiil-code: hi
kiil-code: like whta
Zenoscave: Astro just ban. He's doing similar in PM
Astrobytes: K. Thought as much.
Astrobytes: He been kicked yet?
Zenoscave: Don't know how to tell
Zenoscave: So Probably not
Zenoscave: give him fair warning ig.
Astrobytes: kill-code: stop your crap or you'll get a kick, then a ban if you continue
DejaVu_081: hi
DejaVu_081: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
AntiSquid: he randomly pmed me
Pitorendo: Hey
AntiSquid: Hey
Majeck: Weird question: Are the banners and art that appear in Clash of Code and the Optimization leaderboard drawn by CG employees?
Majeck: The art that appears as if out of a Marvel comic or something
MadKnight: no i think they paid some guy
Majeck: Oh, but they are like specifically donde for Codingame?
MadKnight: yea they paid him to draw these
Majeck: *done/made
magaiti: Donde esta la biblioteca
Zenoscave: Donde esta mi pantelones. No mas cervecas por favor
AntiSquid: anyone here wants to join a CTF ?
Zenoscave: when Anti
AntiSquid: tomorrow
Zenoscave: Link?
AntiSquid: one sec
AntiSquid: https://blog.cyberhacktics.com/hacktober-2020/
Zenoscave: Sure pm me
Yanis.Gaultier: hello everyone :) i'm new there
programistination: holy moly number 9 is here
programistination: xD
Yanis.Gaultier: ??
programistination: I gotcha you're new here
Yanis.Gaultier: oh i'm the 9th ?
programistination: lmao
AntiSquid: hi news
AntiSquid: newies ?
MadKnight: newbies*
petr_step: I am new
AntiSquid: awesome, welcome to CG new!
Yanis.Gaultier: i'm new too
PatrickMcGinnisII: hacktober, kewl... looks like you need a little php exploitation there
Yanis.Gaultier: since 30 mn
PatrickMcGinnisII: a 'lil SQL, a crawler, some JS injection
PatrickMcGinnisII: then some Kali, some router analytics, not bad
MSmits: yay finally made unicode work. What a pain
MSmits: my size 3 bandas endgame book:
MSmits: 鱝䓱
MSmits: size 4: 鱝䓱ᦹ햫㮋䛗ᆵᦹ햫ࡉ
MSmits: not sure if those squares will work, might be invalid
jacek: squares will work, you just cant print them
MSmits: ok, but if i paste them into the IDE they will be recognized?
jacek: yes
MSmits: cool thanks
MSmits: this is way easier than I thought it would be
MSmits: well the encoding
MSmits: not the c++ syntax of it
MSmits: whoever designed that wstring/wchar stuff should be shot :P
jacek: hm?
MSmits: i tried so many different ways to get a wchar from a number and then add it to a wstring
MSmits: I ended up doing:
MSmits: wstring output = L"";
wstring b = L"a";
b[0] += encodedNumber;
output += b;
MSmits: could only add numbers to the wstrings accessed as arrays, nothing else worked for me
MSmits: there might be an easier way I missed of course
jacek: why adding number?
jacek: you want int16 number into wchar?
MSmits: well that, but also add the wchar to the wstring i am building
MSmits: first few characters of unicode seemed like they wouldnt work so i decided to start at "a"
MSmits: I am storing in ternary anyway, so i can store 10 values in a unicode char, using most of the range
MSmits: 1* first + 3* second + 9* third etc. up to 10
MSmits: makes a number below 65k so it fits in unicode
MSmits: when decoding i just subtract 'a' and then use powers of 3 to get the values back
MSmits: basically this way, I can store maybe 80k or so unicode characters holding 800k loss/win/draw values for my bandas endgames
MSmits: using symmetry, a few million even
jacek: how does improve your winrate
MSmits: i am testing that now. I currently have a size 9 endgame book, so max is 3x3
MSmits: book vs book as 1p gives me 70%
MSmits: no book vs book as 1p gives me 49%
MSmits: p1 has an advantage of 70-30 in bandas
MSmits: kind of like uttt
MSmits: so it's pretty damned strong to have an endgame book
MSmits: and I'd like it to be bigger :)
MSmits: up to 12 is possible
MSmits: 13 doesnt exist and 14 is way too big to fit
ImaNoob: what is the best tips to learn python
MSmits: https://www.w3schools.com/python/
ImaNoob: thx
pluieciel: codecombat:smile:
ImaNoob: ok
ImaNoob: I know about w3shools
ImaNoob: thanks for the tips
dance546: hi
dance546: i don know how to code can you guys help me plz
ImaNoob: ok
ImaNoob: codecombat is the best to
ImaNoob: or you can screach on yt
dance546: :smiley:
AntiSquid: nah nobody can help you, everyone here was born with coding skills
LastRick: I just come here for the chat. Didn't even know this was a coding site.
Laminator: typing is a computer skill
Laminator: osu is actually pretty useful for mouse usage. I really should get better at navigating my cursor
Hjax: osu being good for mouse accuracy is a lie they tell you to get you addicted
JohnIsTaken: e
hiljusti: π
Laminator: I mean it literally trains you to move the mouse more quickly and accurately.
iCaNhaCkBrO69: niger
Laminator: usa
LinhT.Nguyen: lol
nerdboi: gamer
GameBot: Hi everyone
doduyphuong: :smiley:
RenzoT: Hi, http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e96b503e-41b4-4a2a-8748-15627a87cdab
GameBot: what is funny?
GameBot: how did you solve the Descent code?
KiwiTae: lol
KiwiTae: GameBot that puzzle is quite hard have you try solving Onboarding first?
GameBot: Not yet
KiwiTae: tough
RenzoT: Hi, http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d4504985-9daf-43cc-9432-456e876bdc5f
GameBot: How to shoot in the game? is print function a way to shoot?
KiwiTae: which game? read the rules its explained
GameBot: Descent
GameBot: I am sorry. I am new and I don't know where the rules are.
KiwiTae: if u open ide u see them
GameBot: The comments?
ImaNoob: bruh
