LelouchVC2: anyone see BBC
DeWill: nope
WINWINWIN: Given this line of code
WINWINWIN: xt = (1−t) * other.x + t * self.x
WINWINWIN: What does this error mean?
WINWINWIN: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/af9dd0a4-4ca9-49ca-9892-0d6d78455c3e
Imsure1200q: euler is it possible to skip a turn lol
Imsure1200q: in space maze
iduel: guy's i need help what is i wrote 1+1 in python but how can i print it?
iduel: i mean i wrote print(1+1) but it printed 2 so i only need it to print(1+1)
WINWINWIN: iduel print('1 + 1')
Imsure1200q: has anyone solves testcase 15 in space maze
Imsure1200q: *solved
Uljahn: "77 have started, 4 have finished" lol
Uljahn: approved by two unnamed 20lvl accs :expressionless:
Imsure1200q: nevermind i solved it :)
Heliferepo: This moment when you get :
Heliferepo: Sortie standard : http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bf0f96c7-ffd5-4a02-95cb-2d2fadeaec47
[CG]Thibaud: empty space at the end ?
Imsure1200q: what
Heliferepo: I tried to add one and removed one but yea xD
Heliferepo: Btw Thibaud can I email you about a tournament project I have in mind for Clash Of Code?
Heliferepo: A private event I think we need to email the staff
Heliferepo: If I remember well
[CG]Thibaud: of course!
[CG]Thibaud: thibaud@codingame.com
Heliferepo: ( It's about making a tournament with the epitech online coding club ) I am gonna send you the message right now
Heliferepo: Should I write to you in French or english ?
[CG]Thibaud: whichever is easier for you
jacek: ohai
WINWINWIN: Given this line of code
xt = (1−t) * other.x + t * self.x
What does this error mean?
WINWINWIN: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/af9dd0a4-4ca9-49ca-9892-0d6d78455c3e
Imsure1200q: is eulersche sleeping
Uljahn: WINWINWIN: the problem is elsewhere, check for unclosed bracket
tomatoes: wrong minus it seems
cegprakash: bracket in python?
WINWINWIN: But would that not be an unexpected EOF or something like that?
Heliferepo: Not a bracket
Uljahn: ah yes, minus is not minus
Heliferepo: I think that is just a syntax error
WINWINWIN: thanks, copy pasted that line from math.stackexchange, it should be the error
Uljahn: xt = (1-t) * other.x + t * self.x
cegprakash: omg hyphen instead of minus
WINWINWIN: :D
Heliferepo: the hyphen
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Heliferepo: There is a difference right ? Or does the compiler says hyphen and minus same
Heliferepo: are the same*
Imsure1200q: no i think they have a different ASCII
Imsure1200q: like when ms word replaces your minuses with a "long minus" thats a hyphen
Heliferepo: I just thought about something
Heliferepo: That would really funny to do a coding challenge in asm
Heliferepo: x)
Imsure1200q: wats asm
Heliferepo: Assembly language
Imsure1200q: hahaha
**Imsure1200q : no
Heliferepo: The language used before C
Heliferepo: x)
Heliferepo: It's even possible (partially) by using C
Imsure1200q: how about programming in moo
Heliferepo: > no
jacek: https://funixx.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/3722_fe72_500.jpeg
Imsure1200q: wa
Imsure1200q: moo is very good language
Imsure1200q: imagine the left side of your laptop is broken
Imsure1200q: all you need to code is m, o, right shift, and the right half of ur space bar
Imsure1200q: boom
Uljahn: just a brainf*ck variant
Heliferepo: x)
Imsure1200q: when is euler online
Imsure1200q: i neeed to testcase17
Tiramon: it's worktime in germany, so i guess he will be here when he has some time in between or in a few hours when he finished working
Imsure1200q: hes german?
Tiramon: last time i checked .. yes ;)
Imsure1200q: so his name is euler or eulersche
Imsure1200q: pretty sure the zahl is a last name
Xcalibre: eulerscheZahl means Euler's Number
Tiramon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(mathematical_constant)
Imsure1200q: whats the sche
Imsure1200q: like a suffix or smth
Imsure1200q: oh well ill wait until 11:00 AM so dat i can ask him about it
Imsure1200q: ahh everytime i ask for eulers help i end up making the solution and asking for help was pointless lol
jacek: rubber toad debugging?
Imsure1200q: wot
Imsure1200q: idk kinda
DaNinja: Testcase 17 https://www.codingame.com/replay/470619633
Astrobytes: Nice DaNinja
Imsure1200q: but i alredy solved it a while ago lol
Astrobytes: You have submitted Imsure1200q?
Imsure1200q: thnx anyway copying link
Imsure1200q: nno i solved the testcase 17
Imsure1200q: also it isnt so hard cuz you can divide cases into phases
DaNinja: when I fix one remaining testcase, a different one breaks :(
Imsure1200q: then fix that one without erasing the fix you did earlier
DaNinja: if I could figure out how...
Imsure1200q: but dividing into stages is really nice because you can focus on a specific move set
Imsure1200q: instead of guessing from every single path
Imsure1200q: but i still need EuLer
DaNinja: try to Submit to see if it works on the validators too
Imsure1200q: i havent started making the algorithm yet
Imsure1200q: im just studying every case but i have smth in mind
Imsure1200q: so my solutions very conststent (except CirCLiNg
Imsure1200q: so thats why
Imsure1200q: I need EuLERR
Imsure1200q: but also testcase 17
Imsure1200q: is it possible to edit your code and resubmit aafter submitting
Astrobytes: Yes
Tiramon: why do you need euler Imsure1200q? what is your problem?
Astrobytes: Hey Tiramon, how's your Oware coming along?
Tiramon: no training or improvement on my NN over the weekend, just finishing my 1/3 project at udacity and alot of distraction
Astrobytes: Ah OK then
Tiramon: hm but if i remember right i should have a some weights of last training that i didn't submit yet ...
Imsure1200q: cuz sometimes im like raging over a testcase thinking its impossible (though i know it is possible) and i dont want to waste any time in the challenge so i wanted to see his solutions (or any other person's solution)
Tiramon: what are you currently trying to solve?
Imsure1200q: circling and testcases 19 - 30
Imsure1200q: im still revising 18
Astrobytes: (Space Maze)
Tiramon: we got puzzles with 30 testcases?
Imsure1200q: ye
struct: Wont be easy to create a viewer :/
Astrobytes: For Shobu struct? What's the issue?
struct: I need to check stones range I guess
Tiramon: no, weights still run in the same problemts with webquinty and boss
Astrobytes: You eliminated the invalid moves fully?
Tiramon: most
Tiramon: currently at <= 1% during training
Astrobytes: That's quite the improvement compared to previously. What was it, ~17%?
Tiramon: around 15%
Astrobytes: Damn tildes look like hyphens in this chat
Astrobytes: Right
Tiramon: it's kind of fund if i give him the command to explore some random move i can see how hight the explore rate is, because invalid move rate is almost identical ;)
Tiramon: *fun
WINWINWIN: Tiramon how long did it take to built the NN?
Tiramon: pure coding? 1 or 2h
it took most time to build the environment to train it
WINWINWIN: Nice, debugging is not too difficult with a NN?
Tiramon: i won't debug agents.. if i had to debug a trained agent something in my code would be wrong
sometimes i seed his training so he learns about moves that he didn't recognize in his current training
WINWINWIN: AntiSquid finally debugged and got a decent heuristic for BotG, crushing Bronze boss...
WINWINWIN: Is a sim needed for legend?
Astrobytes: Wow. Switch topics much WINWINWIN? :P
Tiramon: guess you won't need a sim for gold, i don't have sim and am almost at gold
Tiramon: for legend, i guess you need at least a partial sim
WINWINWIN: :D Astrobytes
jrke: WINWINWIN bronze or silver in BotG
WINWINWIN: Getting to Silver soon
jrke: nice
jrke: WINWINWIN my sim worked in some manner and now improving it
WINWINWIN: Well done
Imsure1200q: when is active time of euler
Astrobytes: Let me look into my crystal ball...
JBM: depends
JBM: do you have an appointment?
Imsure1200q: no
Imsure1200q: just asking cuz i dont wanna ask help and then turns out hes not active lol
JBM: yes, that ould be ridiculous
JBM: please do that
Imsure1200q: lol no
Imsure1200q: but maybe somtimes
Astrobytes: Words to live by
Imsure1200q: how to see if u solved the validators
Astrobytes: Submit
Astrobytes: if you get 100%, you solved the validators
Astrobytes: If you don't, open the Results panel and you'll see how many you failed
Astrobytes: Have you submitted yet?
Astrobytes: ...
jrke: ...
Astrobytes: Hi jrke
jrke: hlo
cegprakash: show us ur replay jrke
jrke: 100% now
jrke: but time greater than my best one means without sim
jrke: can i make it 40 ms instead of 35 ms
Imsure1200q: w
Astrobytes: Imsure1200q did you submit
Imsure1200q: no
jrke: what is the radius of car
Astrobytes: Imsure1200q then you can't know if you've passed the validators...
Imsure1200q: im just asking cuz i wanted see how to do it
Imsure1200q: but i didnt made the program yet
Astrobytes: Right. I see.
Imsure1200q: later when im done with program i will
Astrobytes: That would be sensible.
Imsure1200q: is fortran supported
Imsure1200q: in codingame
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/faq
Imsure1200q: ok thxn
cegprakash: did anyone pass SearchRace using full 50 ms?
cegprakash: I mean all test cases
jrke: test 39 have bugs maybe
cegprakash: not just 39
Astrobytes: I think you have to not go over 35ms or something. Ask Illedan when you see him.
jrke: cause only it fails when i try to use 40+ms or sometimes 36+ms
cegprakash: it even fails for 35 ms
cegprakash: I only use 30 ms
jrke: ya sometimes
jrke: same i did
jrke: but time is 14800 mine why after sim
Astrobytes: Yeah, due to small time spikes
Astrobytes: So ~30ms should be OK
cegprakash: that's so nice! now work on performance tweaks and eval jrke
jrke: ya working on that whats tweaks
cegprakash: remove arrays from ur funtions
cegprakash: use global array
jrke: k
cegprakash: I saw a lot of such stuff on ur code
jrke: ya
jrke: getting 20 k sim at depth 7
jrke: 30 ms
Lexh55: Has anyone completed the temps in java?
cegprakash: I get 40K jrke
jrke: what depth
jrke: 5
jrke: or 4
cegprakash: hey Astrobytes teach jrke mutations if u are free
Imsure1200q: oo i need this lecture
Imsure1200q: lol is it possible to have two solutions for 1 case
Astrobytes: Not free ceg, it's not hard though. Just take your solution, copy it and randomise some parameter. Then keep it if it's better
jrke: i m taking set of random moves then i evaluate them and choose the best
cegprakash: yeah
cegprakash: now u have ur best
cegprakash: now change something in ur best sim
cegprakash: and re-evaluate
Astrobytes: then you can mutate your best to see if you get something better
cegprakash: if this is better keep tihs
jrke: K
cegprakash: u can do this for 10K iterations
Astrobytes: You can always mutate or you can have a probability to mutate
cegprakash: 10K for simulations, 10K for mutate
Astrobytes: See what works for you
jrke: i didn't know mutation
jrke: this is my sim
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/replay/470639201
cegprakash: this is my mutate code jrke
cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8662b954-be61-4781-b357-ad2c7c1cabe5
Astrobytes: It's one step on from random, heading towards the direction of a GA
Lexh55: When I checked the discussion board, there was comments about some need for a if statement
cegprakash: in my code I use a 10% probability to alter the solution
cegprakash: and I re-evaluate this solution
cegprakash: and if this is better than my computed best keep this
jrke: K
jrke: means to re-evaluate random sims is that thing
Astrobytes: Yeah. Take your best current random solution, mutate if probability is x, re-evaluate mutated solution and keep it if it's better.
jrke: i saw 10% probality rand()%10
Astrobytes: Yeah, you can change your probability and see what works for you.
jrke: i m going for a while talk to you later
jrke: thanks for mutation
Astrobytes: cool, you're welcome
cegprakash: I'm 10 points behind #13 :'(
WINWINWIN: 10 points is barely anything, spam submit?
struct: Maybe he already spam submitted
WINWINWIN: I dont understand how this happened, 1700+ in BOTG contest but only 846 in multi :/
struct: People didnt resubmit on multi
struct: It wasnt automated before
WINWINWIN: Oh, then you would have gained 2x the XP for reaching legend?
Astrobytes: And you waited sometimes a few weeks for the multi after the contest
struct: yes
cegprakash: i get banned for spam submit
WINWINWIN: :D
Astrobytes: *again*
struct: If you are hoping to get a lucky submit you better just hardcode
cegprakash: no not again.. generally
WINWINWIN: So that`s euler`s secret to lvl 52 :)
Astrobytes: No. He stayed at 50 for ages until they removed the level cap a short while back. He's since gone up 2 levels so ...
WINWINWIN: Oh, didnt know that there was a level cap earlier
WINWINWIN: Valkyrie is practically useless in BotG right?
Imsure1200q: euler u on
Astrobytes: Just wait til later if you see him in chat ffs
eulerscheZahl: i just logged in 30s ago :D
Imsure1200q: wow majic
Imsure1200q: euler im questioning how possible testcase 22 is
JBM: harassment works \o/
Imsure1200q: in spacemaz
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/470644676
eulerscheZahl: robo converted to C# as well \o/
timeout on 22 though
eulerscheZahl: illedan fails it too :o
eulerscheZahl: ShadowTheAge solves it
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/470644957
RoboStac: can pass it in go, just c# debug is too slow :)
eulerscheZahl: i see
eulerscheZahl: thanks for sharing your solution in a way that makes it accessible for me
RoboStac: yeah, I wanted to see what the other solutions were
RoboStac: seems me and shadow had very similar ideas
Imsure1200q: ahh im so dumb aaa
Imsure1200q: thnx
Imsure1200q: x euler robo
Imsure1200q: ugh my chrome lags
Imsure1200q: guys does codingame lag for you
K4Mx: is there admin to debug a specific game issue ?
eulerscheZahl: no. but share your issue here, maybe you don't need an admin for it
K4Mx: Onitama = i receive pmov potential moves from the game input ,
K4Mx: it seems this input is polluted somehow by the game where i see enemi potential move cards
eulerscheZahl: Onitama is in my responsibility
eulerscheZahl: first of all: which language are you using? python?
K4Mx: ok then i have no idea what is going on why this bug
K4Mx: python yes
eulerscheZahl: i guess you print the input to stderr to examine it?
make sure to flush the output
eulerscheZahl: print(.., flush=True)
K4Mx: the gameinput M
K4Mx: ?
cegprakash: yaay #13 :D
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/39353d93-615d-4de8-97d6-54f4cd66cbed
eulerscheZahl: when you don't flush, you might not see the full input and just think you miss something while you get all of it
eulerscheZahl: also make sure to print exactly 1 command per turn and read all the input
eulerscheZahl: more complete example:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fe4fa7bd-fe7c-4a94-a32b-adba4b1c650e
eulerscheZahl: and it's intentional that you get all possible move cards including the opponent
K4Mx: i flush everywhere now xD
eulerscheZahl: the ones with owner == player_id are your moves
K4Mx: wait it seems the example is getting only the player potential moves no ?
eulerscheZahl: you should get something like this as the input:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/be5e9d11-6de4-46e0-a502-05e1f874fe0f
K4Mx: yes so the game is not givin enemy pmov
K4Mx: though i guess you can compute them
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/ssdexp
eulerscheZahl: the possible opponent moves depend on your own action. so there is no point in giving them
K4Mx: not realy , you can precompute his move since the cards universe is limited
eulerscheZahl: but then you capture one unit of your opponent, removing that possible action
K4Mx: i just need to look at all input the example is not showing all
K4Mx: what ? i mean lookin at your cards, the stock card you can compute future enemy moves
eulerscheZahl: you are given all possible moves for yourself
K4Mx: since he will have your cards
K4Mx: yes
K4Mx: possible moves for opponent is left as an exercise
K4Mx: iiuc
K4Mx: its just python example is not really showing all
eulerscheZahl: the possible moves are just to help you getting started. those who try seriously will reimplement the full game engine anyways to generate valid moves
K4Mx: omg xD
eulerscheZahl: top players plan 6 turns ahead or even more
eulerscheZahl: so there's no point anymore giving that as input. it's only meant to help you getting started. if you don't want to go hardcore or verify your move generator
K4Mx: depth = 6 , i was thinkin about that
K4Mx: thx for hint
K4Mx: still get this bug
jrke: i m going at depth 7
eulerscheZahl: i assume you don't have anything advanced yet? then you can share your code here in chat
eulerscheZahl: for more sophisticated code use a private message
K4Mx: ah well ok then ill just stop playin xD are you satisifed with winin the mental game her e?
K4Mx: i go depth 7777
K4Mx: nothin advanced no
eulerscheZahl: here is no result for your request «jrke»
K4Mx: in particular with this random happening bug
eulerscheZahl: submit your bot then
K4Mx: proof or it did not happen yep
K4Mx: i have no idea with this bug its like my bot is playin an opponen card in advance
eulerscheZahl: paste your code here
K4Mx: its like an element of pmov is poluted at some point , with a move which do not exist at any point in the created list
K4Mx: i need to remove some part for cp paste
K4Mx: debug is like that
K4Mx: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/06988da4-4518-4d52-8c9c-a387da73933e
Astrobytes: Just paste your code, honestly
K4Mx: all the pmov are legal moves, but when i print its printing an illegal move
eulerscheZahl: pretty sure you have 2 print statements in your while True: loop
eulerscheZahl: can't tell without code
K4Mx: yep but conditional
K4Mx: is this bad coding practice ?
eulerscheZahl: print only 1 line for each loop iteration
eulerscheZahl: or everything will get out of sync
K4Mx: maybe i should store the move and print last ?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: that's not only for Onitama. it's for every game here on CG
K4Mx: which loop you are talkin about ? the While right ?
eulerscheZahl: the main loop which read the input and writes the output
Astrobytes: Paste your code, nobody will steal it or think badly of you K4Mx, it'll be easier to help you
K4Mx: well this is bad code xD
eulerscheZahl: and we don't judge about horrible code
Astrobytes: We're not judging you
Astrobytes: euler... :D
darkhorse64: Liars !
eulerscheZahl: i thought it too Astrobytes :D
Astrobytes: :D
K4Mx: inb4 THIS IS SHIT CODE OMG
K4Mx: xDDD
jrke: if you see my code its a mess but i improved my coding from contest
Astrobytes: Relax man, don't worry about it
eulerscheZahl: inb4 "i'm annoyed, figure it our yourself if you don't share code"
K4Mx: ok ill try to fix
K4Mx: if not working il paste
eulerscheZahl: ok
Astrobytes: Cool beans
K4Mx: thanks a lot for help
jrke: Astrobytes mutation done
Astrobytes: Nice jrke, any improvements?
jrke: ya 7 frames in first test going to submit
Astrobytes: cool
jrke: yup 300 time decreased but my best is 13512 without sim and 14654 with sim looks i have evaluation problem
K4Mx: is it just a race for depth ?
Astrobytes: Double check your sim too
eulerscheZahl: then use your heuristic as initial solution
K4Mx: nvm
eulerscheZahl: and try to modify it
jrke: whats heuristic
eulerscheZahl: the part without sim
Astrobytes: your non-sim version
Astrobytes: ...
jrke: K
wlesavo: now astro clearly just retyping every phrase euler says
Astrobytes: lol!
Astrobytes: I wish. Then he wouldn't really beat me to it so much
eulerscheZahl: i find it funny. not the fact that i'm faster but that we think the same so often
K4Mx: rock n roll
K4Mx: one print made the deal
eulerscheZahl: great, submit time ;)
K4Mx: nope
Astrobytes: true eulerscheZahl :)
K4Mx: there is an issue with the rule
K4Mx: capture shrine is one turn ?
K4Mx: its not instant
Astrobytes: Well, at least it works now
K4Mx: right ?
K4Mx: also i dont understand the PASS command
eulerscheZahl: when your master reaches the opponent shrine, you win
K4Mx: not a knight ?
eulerscheZahl: PASS is just if there is no valid move. i haven't seen in happen yet
eulerscheZahl: only the master can capture the shrine
K4Mx: you cannot PASS if there is a valid move ?
eulerscheZahl: correct
K4Mx: also not clear in rules
K4Mx: thx
eulerscheZahl: "f there is no valid move, a player can PASS a card of his choice"
wlesavo: interesting, i got my hypersonic bot right under the gold boss, so now i can spy on cheaters just by checking last battles
K4Mx: what is a PASS command example ? you have one ? PASS + cardi d?
wlesavo: already got one
K4Mx: valid on that card or valid on all cards
darkhorse64: Filter with sayonara ?
eulerscheZahl: cheaters in gold?
Astrobytes: lol, wlesavo has taken the duty of Guardian of Hypersonic :D
eulerscheZahl: yes, PASS id
but i don't think that you will need it
Astrobytes: Well, they must pass gold to reach legend eulerscheZahl
wlesavo: euler well the new ones submitting all the time
K4Mx: thx pass + id it is
wlesavo: dam, now im the one retyping
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: jacek gets one PASS in about 100 games in his simulation. that is at depth 6 or so, nothing that happens on the real board
eulerscheZahl: so you parked your bot below the boss a while ago wlesavo?
wlesavo: the game is actually really fun
wlesavo: no just yeasterday
eulerscheZahl: one of my faforites
K4Mx: which one ?
eulerscheZahl: i know i spelled that wrong
eulerscheZahl: HyperSonic
K4Mx: ok
eulerscheZahl: but keep playing Onitama ;)
K4Mx: ofc
Astrobytes: :)
wlesavo: after playing sonic i thing pac would benefit from not having fog of war
jrke: this is my best simulation replay https://www.codingame.com/replay/470651580
jrke: of test 1
eulerscheZahl: the fog made me doubt if i can motivate myself to even play it at first
eulerscheZahl: still not really a fan of it
eulerscheZahl: enough strategic depth without
wlesavo: true
wlesavo: my HS "sim" suc though, and even that almost reached legend
eulerscheZahl: legend used to be easier in the past
eulerscheZahl: weaker bosses
eulerscheZahl: and contestants weren't that strong either, community improved
wlesavo: so probably pac wouldnt be much harder for nonsim players anyway, maybe even easier
eulerscheZahl: sure, there were some strong players back then. but i managed to beat contest #3 within a week. i'm pretty sure i wouldn't rank third if it was a contest now
eulerscheZahl: the fog adds some uncertainty (corner deaths), making the outcomes more random
eulerscheZahl: sure, you can deduct a lot sometimes. a good tracker is worth a lot for this game
eulerscheZahl: but sometimes the tracking possibilities are limited
eulerscheZahl: maybe next contest
eulerscheZahl: or at mini raic
wlesavo: it felt like tracker would only help gathering, very rare cases for killing/escaping death
eulerscheZahl: i don't even try to escape
wlesavo: deadends thing was good enough for escaping most of the times i think
WINWINWIN: In most pathing based multis, having a BFS / DFS does not matter much until there are offensive options right?
eulerscheZahl: BFS finds the shortest path, DFS doesn't
WINWINWIN: Yes, but if there were no offensive options, would a BFS matter?
eulerscheZahl: it really depends on your specific use-case
i don't see a way to give a generic answer
WINWINWIN: Yes, I could not find any use for BFS other than avoiding bombds
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/bender---episode-4
https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/the-water-jug-riddle-from-die-hard-3
https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/zergling-rush
eulerscheZahl: some puzzles where BFS will work better than DFS
WINWINWIN: I meant using BFS as an alternate to the in-built A* pathfinding, not when the problem is to make a Pathfinder
eulerscheZahl: if you want a shortest path, use BFS. i thought i was clear on this
WINWINWIN: Yes, my bad
eulerscheZahl: DFS finds any path
WINWINWIN: Yes
DJLonelyKitten_189e: how to start javarscipt perferctly guys ?
Tiramon: nice ... contest is over and the chat is still alive :)
WINWINWIN: :)
AntiSquid: :)
Alshock: :)
Astrobytes: :)
WINWINWIN: DJLonelyKitten_189e I think that Magus is an expert with JS
Alshock: we're such babies
AntiSquid: omg ban WINWINWIN
WINWINWIN: ban?
Alshock: develop "perfectly"
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 will do it
Automaton2000: there is no real reason
WINWINWIN: :D
AntiSquid: you went off topic
Alshock: Ouch, sick burn
WINWINWIN: off topic?
WINWINWIN: DJLonelyKitten asked :/
AntiSquid: broke smiley chain
WINWINWIN: :D
AntiSquid: ah god my jokes are shit i guess, not sure how to make it more obv
Alshock: @AntiSquid you can't say no more, Automaton2000 told you off :P
Automaton2000: if you were to write a simu
AntiSquid: which game Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i am stuck at the top
Alshock: real life
AntiSquid: maybe real life is already a simulation
WINWINWIN: (Another off topic) :) AntiSquid isnt valkyrie worthless in BOTG?
Alshock: plz make the referee open source
AntiSquid: check gold boss WINWINWIN
AntiSquid: also no
AntiSquid: def not
AntiSquid: even if her skills didn't do damage she'd still be great since you can displace enemy heroes
AntiSquid: imagine a flip next to tower and then stun
WINWINWIN: I dont understand how to use it, you either go for long ranged (IM & DS) or melee(Hulk & DP)
AntiSquid: moving heroes out of position can be very strong in real MOBAs, why would it be useless here?
AntiSquid: some strats are easier to implement, that's all
WINWINWIN: Makes sense
WINWINWIN: But range seems vital here...
AntiSquid: i mean she can jump to reposition herself and then she can move an enemy hero to the wrong position which puts them at disadvantage
WINWINWIN: Hmm, that would be quite helpful.
DJLonelyKitten_189e: who is magus bro ?
AntiSquid: also she has longer range tahn the other melee heroes WINWINWIN
AntiSquid: and she has kinda same stats too
WINWINWIN: pretty low damage
Astrobytes: Damage doesn't matter in her case
Astrobytes: Like squids saying, you can use her power strategically
AntiSquid: you can farm creeps more safely with her
WINWINWIN: Yes, but seems pretty difficult to implement
eulerscheZahl: Hulk+Hulk used to be a strong combo
WINWINWIN: 2 heroes of same type not allowed?
AntiSquid: there's a valkyre + doctor strange combo and that is very strong at displacing enemy line up
Astrobytes: Depends if it's a live contest or not :P
eulerscheZahl: i still remember the chat: someone complaining about a guy using two hulks at the top of gold beating him up heavily
WINWINWIN: Bug in the referee during the contest?
eulerscheZahl: we: that's not possible!
he: shares replay
Astrobytes: I wasn't even there and I know about it lol
WINWINWIN: :D
AntiSquid: wonder how the meta would have looked like if people put more effort into valk+ strange
AntiSquid: oh btw there were 2 more heroes supposed to be added
WINWINWIN: which ones?
eulerscheZahl: you can still find them in code comments
eulerscheZahl: lancer is one. or was that valkyrie?
AntiSquid: some super long range sniper and a curse mage dealing damage over time
AntiSquid: lancer = valk
eulerscheZahl: but sprites were too expensive?
AntiSquid: no
eulerscheZahl: i vaguely remember that BotG wasn't a cheap contest
AntiSquid: requests to simplify game
AntiSquid: not best graphics for the price
WINWINWIN: I like the Silver boss technique of activating groots near the opponent, there was no mention of it in any PM
eulerscheZahl: that's how people won vs the gold boss
eulerscheZahl: boss completely ignored groots
WINWINWIN: Will add it now quite interesting
AntiSquid: also ille's gf done much better HUD + reworked the lane units, they looked weird before
K4Mx: how do we know which library are availab for python for instance ?
WINWINWIN: FAQ link.
AntiSquid: quite sure there's a command for that?
AntiSquid: https://blog.revathskumar.com/2011/10/python-list-all-packages-installed.html
AntiSquid: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/739993/how-can-i-get-a-list-of-locally-installed-python-modules
AntiSquid: or google for other source
eulerscheZahl: Includes NumPy 1.16.2, pandas 0.24.2, SciPy 1.2.1
eulerscheZahl: that's the libraries you can use on CG
K4Mx: another question
K4Mx: are you quite confident about containers / sandbox security between players and admin / site
K4Mx: has it been battletested ?
eulerscheZahl: every usercode runs in something similar to docker
reCurse: Let's just say it's received a lot of attention over the years
K4Mx: i dont want to discover that bot#1 has just hacked through containers and read all codes xD
reCurse: Lots of players have tested all kinds of shenanigans
reCurse: Whatever was found has been fixed so far
eulerscheZahl: and now that users can upload their own games, CG protected that aspect good too. at least i failed to inject some JS code that isn't supposed to be there
K4Mx: good
K4Mx: policy is ban ?
reCurse: No, policy is fix
reCurse: Except if contest prizes are involved, then possibly DQ
K4Mx: are you killin whitehats ?
eulerscheZahl: CG is really cool when it comes to reporting things you accessing stuff that you aren't supposed to see
K4Mx: ok thx
eulerscheZahl: then fix it and thank you for reporting
eulerscheZahl: they*
K4Mx: got it
AntiSquid: contest cheats weren't banned last contest
AntiSquid: just removed from ladder
Astrobytes: And it's usually prudent to report the issue privately, of coursee
Astrobytes: *course
reCurse: Yeah but I think copy/paste is a different story than what we're talking about here
K4Mx: would be interesting to work at CG sec
K4Mx: anyway lets code
eulerscheZahl: CG has interns sometimes
K4Mx: im old xD
Astrobytes: :older_man:
Imsure1200q: has anyone brute-forced space maze
eulerscheZahl: no
Imsure1200q: eww my profile pic looks like a dentist advertisment from afar
Astrobytes: He told you this yesterday Imsure1200q
Astrobytes: When you asked the same question more or less
Imsure1200q: yes i know
Imsure1200q: but its not really the same question
Imsure1200q: cuz yesterday it was about which method to use and i think he said bruteforce isnt so good
Astrobytes: I thought you were doing a NN, or A*, or hardcoding... now you intend to bruteforce?
eulerscheZahl: and since my last answer robo submitted a C# solution which might change the answer
Imsure1200q: oh wait i dont mean bruteforce
Astrobytes: What did he submit in originally? C++?
Imsure1200q: i mean like doing every path seeing if its ok
eulerscheZahl: Go
Astrobytes: Ah ok
eulerscheZahl: he has a top10 hypersonic bot in Go too
eulerscheZahl: and for CSB
K4Mx: lol
Astrobytes: Go's pretty decent, my mate keeps trying to force me to learn it
K4Mx: i wish i had this kind of achievemnt one day xD
Imsure1200q: its decent??
K4Mx: "he has a top 10 hypersonic bot in Go" kek
K4Mx: totaly a girl magnet
Imsure1200q: anyway ill just move on quickly cuz studying the testcases in Chrome is hell
eulerscheZahl: you aren't supposed to analyze them by hand but to find a generic solution
Astrobytes: I think he had thoughts of hardcoding previously
eulerscheZahl: i guess i cheated to some degree: there were testcases where my heuristic performed poorly and made me timeout. so i just removed them
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: was hoping for proper feedback in the review process
eulerscheZahl: then one day i logged in to see it's approved
WINWINWIN: :D
WINWINWIN: Doesnt your solution have to be given out during the contribution process euler?
eulerscheZahl: no, i did not have to share my own solution
Astrobytes: But one should most definitely solve before approving any puzzle
eulerscheZahl: you have to do this for classic input-output puzzles. but not for interactive contributions with a viewer
WINWINWIN: But looking at validators is probably a solution :/
eulerscheZahl: the puzzle was pending for a few months without anyone daring to touch it. then someone created 3 fake accounts and approved this and a few other puzzles
WINWINWIN: 3 fake accounts?
Astrobytes: ffs
WINWINWIN: how lvl20 in all?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/big-bang-theory---sheldons-array-puzzle
eulerscheZahl: same approvers. and that puzzle was taken almost verbatim from hackerrank
eulerscheZahl: if it collects enough low ratings and a total of 20 votes, it will disappear
eulerscheZahl: i'm still waiting for this to happen: create some accounts and give 1 star everywhere
eulerscheZahl: a lot of puzzles would disappear
Imsure1200q: seriously hardcoding is heller than studying the testcases
PJMantoss: Hello everyone
Imsure1200q: hi
eulerscheZahl: just 30 testcases, hardcoding is doable
PJMantoss: I need some help
WINWINWIN: So guys have to rate it as 0 to remove it?
Imsure1200q: yeah but theres validators so i cant hardcod
PJMantoss: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ce9ba3cc-3478-41df-89ff-32b6d9d6e000
eulerscheZahl: many 1 star ratings => it will disappear
eulerscheZahl: happens to clash of code sometimes. rare for real puzzles
Imsure1200q: actually i think i should start working on the alg
Imsure1200q: or whatever heuristic means
WINWINWIN: PJMantoss, found nothing does not always mean ouputted nothing
Imsure1200q: testcase 22 was the worst experience ever
WINWINWIN: it can also mean that your answer was not complete
K4Mx: wait how do i vote for onitama ? XD
eulerscheZahl: you have to pass submit validators which are different to visible tests. you might get 100% without solving test 22
eulerscheZahl: K4Mx you have to submit your code
eulerscheZahl: then get back to the overview page
K4Mx: omg what a diktatorship
eulerscheZahl: sorry :D
K4Mx: ill give it 5 star once submited
K4Mx: dont want this to disappear at all
eulerscheZahl: unlikely to happen, onitama has a good rating. and i would probably annoy staff until they bring it back :D
K4Mx: well its on github
Imsure1200q: testcase22 is hard but 23 is so easy
K4Mx: but we need an arena
Imsure1200q: why is it like dat
WINWINWIN: :P
jacek: why 5 star for onitama? its a boring game
jacek: :c
eulerscheZahl: Imsure1200q the testcases are randomly generated (except for the first few). so it's possible that they have different difficulty
eulerscheZahl: so you are the 1 star rating jacek? :P
Imsure1200q: WAIT WHAT
Imsure1200q: oh wait you mean randomly generated by euler or smth?
K4Mx: who gave 1 star to oni ?
K4Mx: get rekt
eulerscheZahl: when i created testcases for space maze, i just generated random maps (placing ground, platforms, ...)
then I tried to solve these levels. if i could solve them and it wasn't trivial, i kept that testcase
Imsure1200q: ur the one who generated them?
K4Mx: fucking sentient bot xD
eulerscheZahl: yes, i created both space maze and Onitama
jacek: try space onitama
eulerscheZahl: :D
Imsure1200q: why is it contribution by euler not u
eulerscheZahl: the knights would die in space, running out of oxygen
Imsure1200q: is like a bug or smth?
eulerscheZahl: wizards might survive :thinking:
K4Mx: lol
eulerscheZahl: but I am eulerscheZahl?
what nickname do you see displayed for me?
Imsure1200q: nothing
K4Mx: xDDDDD
reCurse: Then a magical space helmet isn't out of question
eulerscheZahl: maybe F5 will add nicknames. no idea
eulerscheZahl: (save your code before you try)
K4Mx: im unsure about halucinogenic frog survival in space
K4Mx: got to google that
Imsure1200q: finally it says euler
K4Mx: \o/
eulerscheZahl: i'm no longer incognito :)
Imsure1200q: ya i thought u were another account
Imsure1200q: cuz i scrolled up to see if chrome wasnt recognizing your data but it was and wasnt at the same time
Imsure1200q: ?
eulerscheZahl: sometimes CG fails to load chat profiles, no idea why
eulerscheZahl: then i appear as WatercooledSkull
Imsure1200q: lol
jacek: your alt?
Astrobytes: His real name
eulerscheZahl: my CG chat name
WINWINWIN: Real name:thinking:
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/CodinGame/nicknameGenerator/blob/master/nicknameGenerator.js
Imsure1200q: no it sounds so one of those 70's metal bands
Astrobytes: Steel Hippo
eulerscheZahl: generateNickname(1500515)
"WaterCooledSkull_ad41"
Imsure1200q: baby shark
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes is DoomedScone_d423
Astrobytes: DoomedScone, I like that. It has a food connection
Imsure1200q: can your generator generate BabyShark_2222
Astrobytes: It's what CG generates given your ID
Imsure1200q: oh no we have id
Imsure1200q: i wonder if theres someone in here who has nickname BabyShark_2222
Imsure1200q: hes probably screaming in horror
eulerscheZahl: you can enter a nickname into the searchbar at the top (not available in the IDE)
Imsure1200q: im in ide
Astrobytes: Hmmm... how to solve THAT problem :thinking:
Imsure1200q: tell html to add search bar element
Astrobytes: Open another tab?
Astrobytes: Leave the IDE?
Imsure1200q: no when u open a tab in chrome it takes forever
Astrobytes: just opened 5
Imsure1200q: exactly
Astrobytes: in a row
Astrobytes: less than a second
Imsure1200q: not in a column
Imsure1200q: dude thats impossible how
Astrobytes: Ctrl-t
Imsure1200q: also when i open new tab and i have to press the home button
Astrobytes: I can't continue this conversation, sorry
Imsure1200q: cuz if i type link it will go to some weird browser
eulerscheZahl: ctrl+windows+C opens a new codingame tab for me.
i defined some weird hotkeys :D
Imsure1200q: wow
Imsure1200q: thats why youre faster than astro
eulerscheZahl: trolls are getting creative
https://prnt.sc/ssg8bs
Astrobytes: lol, it's probably jacek :P
Imsure1200q: :( :)
Imsure1200q: i wana port to C++
Imsure1200q: haha 0 experience
WINWINWIN: Not necessarily a troll :D people always tell newbies to invite u to CoC :P
jacek: who could those people be :thinking:
Imsure1200q: u
WINWINWIN: :D
ClashOfCodeFanatic: Pardon, mais je pensais que eulerscheZahl jouait beaucoup au clash du code, c'est ce que j'ai entendu sur le chat.
Snef: ClashOfCodeFanatic it is an english channel here
Astrobytes: He heard you play a lot of clashjes euler
Astrobytes: *heard
Imsure1200q: wow now u know french
Snef: Astrobytes is so talented
Astrobytes: No I'm extremely far from fluent, but I can sometimes get an idea
ClashOfCodeFanatic: Sorry
Imsure1200q: i mean i guess yall have french and spanish classes
Imsure1200q: like according to the movies
Astrobytes: 20+ years ago I did
Imsure1200q: for me i only know 1-2 words french im a genius
Snef: baguette
Snef: fromage
Astrobytes: omelette du fromage
Imsure1200q: no its c'est and beau
Imsure1200q: for italian i know pizza
Imsure1200q: wait
Snef: la pizza au fromage c'est beau
Imsure1200q: whats a fromage
Snef: guess
Astrobytes: It's when you come from somewhere
ClashOfCodeFanatic: cheese
Snef: spoiler :(
Imsure1200q: wow
ClashOfCodeFanatic: :)
Astrobytes: Stop ruining my fun! :P
Imsure1200q: spoiled ches
Imsure1200q: how is cheese beautiful its just a yellow/white/blue thing
Imsure1200q: its like tofu except its not
Snef: it was just to reuse the words you said
Astrobytes: Quote of the Year
Imsure1200q: except in Big Mac
Astrobytes: "ts like tofu except its not"
Astrobytes: *"its like tofu except its not"
Imsure1200q: its the best word
JBM: le bigge mak
Astrobytes: I mean, cats are small, but not as small as spiders.
Imsure1200q: yeah cuz spiders are 8 legs + ball + ball
Imsure1200q: and cats play with yarnball
Astrobytes: Trees are just like waterfalls except they're not.
Imsure1200q: yeah because the tree sap when it spiels its so sloowww
Imsure1200q: also if you drink waterfall you dont die but when you drink sap you get hurt
Astrobytes: Have you completed your Space MAze algorithm yet?
Imsure1200q: in Tagalog sakit is the same for hurt and sick so hurt is like sick except its not
Imsure1200q: no
Imsure1200q: still studying cases
Imsure1200q: dont worry im case 25
Imsure1200q: haha its hell to study it
Astrobytes: If you spent less time chatting, less time studying cases, and more time coding or researching how you might approach the problem... you know
Imsure1200q: yeah but the research part is the boring part
Imsure1200q: like for polygon triangulation when i wanted to know about ear clipping
Astrobytes: By researching I do not mean coming up with a solution by hand for all testcases
Imsure1200q: lol
Imsure1200q: but the videos and papers
Imsure1200q: lately when i do research it takes hourrssss
Imsure1200q: except for anatomy and physiology so easy
Imsure1200q: but when i search A&P for dolphins boom nothing
Astrobytes: Right.
Imsure1200q: the Space Maze research is like that except its not
Astrobytes: Please. Just stop.
Imsure1200q: stop wat
Imsure1200q: ahh chatting ok
Imsure1200q: later after im done testcasesing
Murch: There seems to be a discussion area for new puzzles. Is it possible to propose an additional testcase to an accepted puzzle?
eulerscheZahl: which puzzle?
Murch: The puzzle "War"
eulerscheZahl: that's an official puzzle, not a community contribution. it's unlikely that anything will change there
Murch: Okay, thanks
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl studying for exam instead of contest worked out
ZarthaxX: no regrets at least
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: it didn't, you got stuck in gold
eulerscheZahl: but congrats on your good grades :D
ZarthaxX: i meant i pass
ZarthaxX: ...
ZarthaxX: you savage
eulerscheZahl: i'm trolling. as usual
ZarthaxX: i will invite you to a CoC coz of that
ZarthaxX: :relaxed:
eulerscheZahl: then you have to clash yourself
Imsure1200q: lol euler why tho
ZarthaxX: i will quit
eulerscheZahl: why what? trolling?
it's just how I am
eulerscheZahl: having fun with SmarthaxX
ZarthaxX: lvl 52, 1st in cg, troll guy
ZarthaxX: nice one :thinking:
Imsure1200q: you know those quit giveaway iPhoneX 2500 subs rn
ZarthaxX: wat
Imsure1200q: scammer youtuber
Imsure1200q: s
Imsure1200q: you know when the title of the video is "I quit" and the thumbnail is a sad person
Imsure1200q: and the content summarized is "okay if you sub like and click the bell first 100 to do that will get this 1 iPhone X
Imsure1200q: and the 6 year old 7 year old fall for it
Daher: 13 0 6 4 14 20 13 what is the trick
Imsure1200q: ur clashing rn?
Imsure1200q: you get the first number and print it
eulerscheZahl: we need more data
Daher: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b49bb110-7781-4592-8bad-d49007591856
Daher: it is ok i get it
Imsure1200q: ok
Imsure1200q: im done testcasing
eulerscheZahl: so, what's the next step?
Imsure1200q: i observe that i can do like a constrained/limited pathfinding
Imsure1200q: and like move the car every 50ms just in case im still calculating
Imsure1200q: dumbest observations ever i still need to do something for circling
Imsure1200q: therefore the next step is making da algorithm knowing it will fail
LelouchVC2: Lmao
LelouchVC2: I'm coding my own Clash of Code submission
LelouchVC2: Watch me lose to python programmers
Imsure1200q: haha python
struct: you dont need to worry about python in coc
Imsure1200q: i dont get why jobs like python like i thought its slow and interpreted
LelouchVC2: why not?
struct: At least in shortest mode
LelouchVC2: This website is super bias towards python
struct: there are shorter languages
Imsure1200q: but why python tho
LelouchVC2: I tried it out once, and the test cases ran 10x faster than on C++
WINWINWIN: LelouchVC2 nobody thinks that :P
struct: are you saying that python is 10x faster than c++?
Imsure1200q: i thought python was interpreted?
LelouchVC2: Black people think that. Checkmate
Imsure1200q: dude lol thats kinda harsh
WINWINWIN: C++ in multis and ruby / perl in CoC
LelouchVC2: I'm saying this website runs python faster than C++
struct: lo
struct: lol
LelouchVC2: Which is why it's bias towards it
WINWINWIN: lol
Imsure1200q: lol cuz u need to compile C++?
LelouchVC2: Damn bro, never knew that
LelouchVC2: Why would they compile C++
LelouchVC2: It's mind blowing
Imsure1200q: like they can use a G++ or ninja
WINWINWIN: do you honestly think that python is faster than C++ even on CG?
LelouchVC2: When running tests, yes
Imsure1200q: no cuz when i installed anaconda and jupyter it never worked so i never tried it
LelouchVC2: C++ runs slow HERE
Imsure1200q: weird
Imsure1200q: so i wont port my code to c++ then
struct: its still faster than any other language here
LelouchVC2: Yes, in practical use
Imsure1200q: so python is the fastest lang in this website?
LelouchVC2: But whatver this site is using to run code
LelouchVC2: Is making it slow
LelouchVC2: I haven't tested "fastest", but definitely faster than c++
struct: It isn't
Astrobytes: Faster C++ code?
- pragma GCC optimize("O3","unroll-loops","omit-frame-pointer", "inline")
- pragma GCC option("arch=native","tune=native","no-zeroupper")
- pragma GCC target("avx2")
LelouchVC2: really unfair when a fastest mode has like 8 tests
struct: You dont even need that to be faster than python
LelouchVC2: And the site takes about 30 seconds to go through them
LelouchVC2: While Python would literally do it in about 5
Astrobytes: No shit struct
WINWINWIN: he means faster to type :/ cant believe anyone would think that C++ performs worse
Astrobytes: This convo is just...
Imsure1200q: cuz when i compile my c++ even if the file is LONGGG its still very fast
WINWINWIN: :dizzy_face:
LelouchVC2: On this site
LelouchVC2: Or in general
Imsure1200q: On my PC terminal
LelouchVC2: It's like I'm talking to a wall
struct: I feel the same
WINWINWIN: :D
Imsure1200q: its a nice wal
LelouchVC2: A beautiful wall <3
Imsure1200q: there are probably 100 people spectating this convo
Imsure1200q: we just dont notioce
Imsure1200q: *notice
goore: true
LelouchVC2: George Bush did 9/11
goore: dont go around letting important secrets out
WINWINWIN: Is C++ faster than Python on codingame Automaton2000
Imsure1200q: i can feel someone looking at the chat and thinking "how did this coding website turn into a beautiful wall"
Automaton2000: it is a bit slower
LelouchVC2: Well, I've lost to python once again
WINWINWIN: Wow!! pretty smart Automaton2000
Automaton2000: managed to find everything regarding angles there
LelouchVC2: I can get this only down to 500 characters
LelouchVC2: Python programmer got it to 250
Imsure1200q: why doesnt codingame run on c++ tho?
WINWINWIN: 250?? in python
WINWINWIN: should be a lot shorter for practically anything
Imsure1200q: so thats why codingame uses python because low file size?
LelouchVC2: i made this CoC, it has a lot going on
LelouchVC2: 250 in python is reasonable
struct: not good for the best language
LelouchVC2: To get to 500 I removed spaces
WINWINWIN: Probably
LelouchVC2: Best language huh?
Imsure1200q: nah im on the c++ side
LelouchVC2: Who isn't on the C++ side
Imsure1200q: the only reason why im learning python is to interpret what every programmer puts in their blog tutorials
Imsure1200q: i mean every programmer nowadays
Imsure1200q: i love c++ its my main after javascript
Imsure1200q: asm
LelouchVC2: That doesn't sound righ
LelouchVC2: t
LelouchVC2: You love C++, but then you also like Javascript
Imsure1200q: i like javascript because very flexible but i like C++ because when you compile its faster than IE7
LelouchVC2: Internet Explorer 7?
Imsure1200q: ys
LelouchVC2: lmao!
Imsure1200q: microsoft edge is fast but its so gross imo
LelouchVC2: Looks nicer than any IE version
Imsure1200q: yes but its too similar to IE color pallete
Imsure1200q: gives me nostalgia of IE inconvenience
LelouchVC2: I don't use it, but it looked nice and felt good when I sometimes need to pull it up
LelouchVC2: Usually to install Chrome
Imsure1200q: I like firefox tho cuz its fast for me
K4Mx: something is wrong
Imsure1200q: hat
Imsure1200q: what
K4Mx: how do we get which side we are on onitama
LelouchVC2: You pull out a compas
Imsure1200q: l
eulerscheZahl: it's given in your ID (player_id, first input above the main loop)
K4Mx: can we reverse the boss to 1 to test ?
K4Mx: i should have no submited euler you influenced me xD
Astrobytes: Swap the players i nthe IDE
jacek: just wait when he is gonna trying to figure out player's 2 card movements
eulerscheZahl: Onitama boss: https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/Onitama/blob/master/config/level1/Boss.java
K4Mx: i dont see where to swap
eulerscheZahl: oh, that was the question. delete both you and the boss
Astrobytes: Players, under the avatars, delete
eulerscheZahl: then add again using the plus
eulerscheZahl: :D
K4Mx: thx
Astrobytes: . . .
Astrobytes: :D
K4Mx: how to unsubmit my botz
eulerscheZahl: once submitted to the arena, it will stay there forever
Astrobytes: Not possible. You *must* improve now :D
K4Mx: FUCK IT xD thx
K4Mx: we had a lenghty fight astro
Astrobytes: In Onitama? I have a bot there?
K4Mx: what a troll
Astrobytes: No seriously, I forgot
eulerscheZahl: i wanted to check if you are there Astrobytes. why am I not following you?
Astrobytes: I added 3 lines, and modified 1, and that's my bot
K4Mx: .....
Astrobytes: No idea eulerscheZahl, but the issue is now resolved :)
LelouchVC2: That was me in the pacman stuff
jacek: Astrobytes youre 9th in wood 2
Astrobytes: K4Mx, sorry I added 4 lines
K4Mx: ofc
LelouchVC2: Unforgivable
Astrobytes: Yeah found it jacek lol
jacek: ow can i see wood 2 leaderboard?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/onitama/leaderboard?column=LEAGUE&value=wood2
jacek: what a bunch of noobs
Astrobytes: I haven't played it since I submitted
eulerscheZahl: how kind of you :D
Imsure1200q: euler
Imsure1200q: for your solution to circling im confused
eulerscheZahl: why?
Imsure1200q: cuz you bring id: 1 out of orbit then you bring it back inside?
eulerscheZahl: do you see the full replay? broken monitor?
eulerscheZahl: overlapping windows
Imsure1200q: ya i did
Astrobytes: Broken something at least
K4Mx: which side play first ? blue or red ?
jacek: yes
K4Mx: lol
K4Mx: fuck u xD
eulerscheZahl: red
K4Mx: thx
K4Mx: why am i playin this and not CoD
K4Mx: strange world we live in
Astrobytes: Because CoD is rubbish. Real men play ArmA
LelouchVC2: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LelouchVC2: I tried to get into Arma, but couldnt :(
eulerscheZahl: Arma what?
Armageddon?
K4Mx: real men play kerbal space program
K4Mx: get real
Astrobytes: I don't play much anymore, used to play with some mates most Sundays
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl It's a military sim game
LelouchVC2: I don't like how specific the orders have to be sometimes
Astrobytes: It's a mil-sim!! What you expect?
LelouchVC2: And there's also a lot of technical stuff that you can't know, that you just have to play a lot to finally get
LelouchVC2: Well, there's a toystory game that was similar, but in a nice way
LelouchVC2: There was an AI, so your soldiers would actually do basic things unless you ordered them otherwise
Astrobytes: A military sim based on... Toy STory?
LelouchVC2: army men rts
Astrobytes: ffs
LelouchVC2: I played it when I was young :3 that was the shit back in the day
Astrobytes: No, I liked the coop of Arma, headsets and the er... thrill of combat (getting shot a lot)
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm debugging
K4Mx: you need resubmit tu update ?
Astrobytes: y
K4Mx: thx <3
Astrobytes: es
LelouchVC2: 1v1 <3
K4Mx: 2 vs universe <3
LelouchVC2: That sounds unfair. For the universe
K4Mx: like we care ?
Imsure1200q: euler this is the replay i had to do
LelouchVC2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z65aq1EVGhs
Imsure1200q: https://www.codingame.com/replay/470684539
eulerscheZahl: at no point anything disappears into orbit there
Imsure1200q: yeah but that wasnt ur solution
Imsure1200q: oh wait im being dumb
struct: Oh god im playing coc
struct: I regret
LelouchVC2: Well, if ur not gay then dont do it
LelouchVC2: Don't let them pressure you
K4Mx: wait you kept same variable for the board as reds and blues ?
struct: pressure me?
K4Mx: W = is boss or enemy depending on red / blue ?
K4Mx: W = is boss or master depending on red / blue ?
K4Mx: yes you did
K4Mx: omg
Imsure1200q: eulerscheZahl https://www.codingame.com/replay/470685050 is that the
Astrobytes: Ever get that troll-ish feeling?
jacek: huh?
jacek: there is b B w W
eulerscheZahl: "at no point anything disappears into orbit there"
Imsure1200q: im gonna start the alg tomorrow
Imsure1200q: im done defining classes and stuff now i need 2 sleep lol bye
Astrobytes: You said that yesterday.
Imsure1200q: yes but i woke up vry late
Imsure1200q: aka overslept
Astrobytes: Thanks for the clarity on that.
Imsure1200q: but i mean i just got started into the alg but i need to sleep already
Imsure1200q: so tomorrow its definite that ill do the alg first thing
Imsure1200q: but ya ill sleep now lol by
Astrobytes: And which algorithm will it be?
Imsure1200q: i dont know its name or if it even exists but i have one in mind
Astrobytes: I see.
Imsure1200q: what? i dont see why it would fail.
Astrobytes: When did I say it would fail?
Imsure1200q: step by step it still executes ok except i havent put it into code yet
Astrobytes: How does it execute then?
Imsure1200q: ill explain it tom cuz i need to slep
Astrobytes: I see.
eulerscheZahl: good night
Imsure1200q: good night (but its morning for mee)
Astrobytes: Don't oversleep now.
Imsure1200q: dont think i will cuz my brother will do something early in morning
Imsure1200q: will be woken up
Imsure1200q: by the noise
Imsure1200q: ok bye
Astrobytes: Isee.
K4Mx: can we debug for arena battle ?
eulerscheZahl: there is a button to send the game to IDE. works if both bots are deterministic
Astrobytes: And set to Manual so the seed remains the same
K4Mx: ... ok thx
K4Mx: where manual you mean ?
K4Mx: in the random call ?
Astrobytes: In Options
Astrobytes: Tab next to Players
eulerscheZahl: activate expert mode
Astrobytes: if you don't see it you neeed Expert Mode
eulerscheZahl: :D
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: Settings on the left
K4Mx: thx
eulerscheZahl: was about to write about the settings, replaced it by :D
Astrobytes: hehehe
Astrobytes: It's quite uncanny sometimes
eulerscheZahl: ctrl+Z to get it back:
settings on the left
exactly the same except for the uppercase S
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: i'm afk, cycling around without a real target
Astrobytes: cool, enjoy
jacek: in other words, he wants coc invitation
K4Mx: i beat your bot astro x)
Astrobytes: Unsurprising considering I spent approx 5 mins on it lol
Astrobytes: Good job anyway, next league?
K4Mx: i hope the basics of the game stay the same ?
Astrobytes: Yeah I don't believe there's anything new in the next league
K4Mx: ih ope until the end bc iwant to improve AI not parsin game
Astrobytes: Only 2 leagues in this one
jacek: next league is the same
K4Mx: what about top leagues ?
Astrobytes: There's only 2
jacek: its community game, so only wood leagues
K4Mx: so always the same game input parameter and rules but just improv bot right ?
Astrobytes: Yup
K4Mx: that is perfect
K4Mx: thx
Astrobytes: yw
jacek: actually there is no boss
K4Mx: what was that small bip sound ?
K4Mx: going other league ?
Astrobytes: yeah
jacek: notification
Astrobytes: 25XP is it?
K4Mx: yes 25
K4Mx: my bot is permanently fighting in wood1 ?
Astrobytes: Yep
K4Mx: ok thx
Astrobytes: Wood 1 is like the 'real' league, Wood 2 is like kindergarten.
K4Mx: thx
K4Mx: im still happy about it neway
Astrobytes: Some other community multis have more than 2 wood leagues, some just one
Astrobytes: Yes, congrats :)
K4Mx: :)
K4Mx: now i will work with my team xD
K4Mx: how can i see my wood1 battles
Astrobytes: They're gone now
K4Mx: it says 23 / 38
K4Mx: i want to see my battles if possible
Astrobytes: Oh my bad, thought you meant Wood 2, duh
jacek: refresh and click last battles
Astrobytes: Last Battles
K4Mx: thx
jrke: my sim is working but random moves are sometimes ok and sometimes good and sometimes bad
jacek: thats definition of random :v
Astrobytes: ^
jrke: how you all evaluate your sim
K4Mx: man , all those C++ bots
K4Mx: i have a bad feeling about this
jrke: i have evaluation problem sometimes
Astrobytes: I haven't finished my Search Race sim/search, just my heuristic version in the leaderboard
jrke: k
Astrobytes: Did you try using your non-search code as the base of an eval for your search?
jrke: not yet
jrke: i have finished sim but my heuristic version is better than it
jrke: now seems i have to improve my heuristic one
Astrobytes: Right, well start with that and work from there
Astrobytes: No no, do what I suggest for your search eval
Astrobytes: Keep working on it
jrke: K
Astrobytes: You got this :)
jrke: ya
jrke: hey i wanna know how to check if checkpoint crossed
jrke: if dist<600 or what
Astrobytes: Yeah, just check for collision with CP, you have that in your sim right?
jrke: CP means
jrke: oh collision predictor
Astrobytes: Sorry man, checkpoint = CP
jrke: K
jrke: maybe i have problem in that only checkpoint crossed or not
jrke: what is radius of car
Astrobytes: Don't think there is one for this, just use your position, if you're inside the CP then it's good. Check the referee code
jrke: oh yeah i got idea
Astrobytes: What did you use for CSB?
Astrobytes: What search alorithm I mean
Astrobytes: *algorithm
jrke: no search algo just target-3vel and choosing best thrust you can say sim for thrust and changing checkpoint if i have enough velocity to cross this checkpoint and collision predictor etc
Astrobytes: Ah right
jrke: and one pod for opponent blocker
Astrobytes: Cool. So this is your first search or you have others in other multis?
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/replay/470693482
jrke: watch this you will have idea of my algo
Astrobytes: Yep, does what you said :)
jrke: ya
jrke: is this ok abs(car.x-checkp.x)<600 and same for y to see checkpoint crossed or not
Astrobytes: just take the distance
jrke: means just dist<600
jrke: sqrt(x-cx*x-cx+y-cy*y-cy)
jrke: dist method
Astrobytes: yeah, euclidean distance
Astrobytes: But 600 is the radius remember, so you can be less than 600 away and still outside the CP
jrke: means 599
darkhorse64: Astrobytes ??
Astrobytes: You called?
goore: why are coc lobbys so empty
darkhorse64: "But 600 is the radius remember, so you can be less than 600 away and still outside the CP". This is plain wrong
darkhorse64: Or I miss something
Astrobytes: From the inside of the checkpoint, not from the center obviously
darkhorse64: OK
Astrobytes: Sorry for the confusion
darkhorse64: I know you know but that was surprising
jrke: what a line i know you know:smiley:
Astrobytes: Just been trying to explain some stuff to jrke in simplest terms
jrke: can't find dist in refree
Astrobytes: I could have phrased it a little better on reflection
darkhorse64: Don't. I am stuck at 12k
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: I've been sidetracked
Astrobytes: jrke dist? You mean car radius?
Astrobytes: Or distance calculation?
jrke: i mean radius in which our car should be to cross this checkpoint
Astrobytes: "To enter a checkpoint, the center of a car must be within 600 units of the checkpoints center."
jrke: but i did 589 for safety but not working properly
Astrobytes: no need to change it
Astrobytes: use 600
jrke: but working
jrke: *not
Astrobytes: What did you use in your original (non-search) code?
AntiSquid: fixing a bug with another "bug" is a downward spiral of doom
AntiSquid: i did that in pacman contest and i was a really bad idea in hindsight
Astrobytes: Or patching, depending who you talk to :P
AntiSquid: it was *
jrke: i did 400 in non search code
AntiSquid: maybe you don't find the correct values to aim for the check point
Astrobytes: Have you checked your collisions to make sure they are working correctly?
jrke: i haven't did collision for that
jrke: just if dist<600
Astrobytes: In your sim
Astrobytes: If you don't have collision in your sim it's not going to go very well
jrke: how to check collision
jrke: like CSB
AntiSquid: what collisions do you need ? @_@
AntiSquid: confused
jrke: ya im confused
Astrobytes: Between your car and the chekpoint
Astrobytes: *checkpoint
AntiSquid: and why is distance check not enough?
Astrobytes: He's got a sim and search, something could be way off in his sim
jrke: so predicting collision like CSB
jrke: ?
jrke: or not
Astrobytes: Essentially yes. Did you read the referee code?
jrke: ya they had collision
jrke: if collision time<1 then checkpoint crossed
jrke: if(col.time >= 0.0 && col.time + t <= 1.0){
hasCollided = true;
jrke: from refree
Astrobytes: This is just CSB with one pod and checkpoints, slightly different referee
jrke: ya
jrke: CSB don't have collision for checkpoint
Astrobytes: ...
jrke: its 00:53 in India going for a sleep
Astrobytes: Good idea! Work on it tomorrow
Astrobytes: gn jrke
jrke: thanks
jrke: and gn to you in advance
Astrobytes: thanks :)
anid: Anyone know where I can find the source code for Langton`s Ant?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/1989ad342413492aa8be19e50cd004de6311
eulerscheZahl: click "download"
Astrobytes: I failed on this because the link is in my other browser :P
anid: Shouldnt the code be pushed to public as well?
eulerscheZahl: open the game in the IDE, click "VIEW CONTRIBUTION" at the top above the viewer
eulerscheZahl: level29+ required
anid: I see, thanks
Astrobytes: So, TIL there are no collisions with checkpoints in CSB
Astrobytes: My head aches from the past hour's chat
Astrobytes: How was your bike ride eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: great, collected some flies with my eyes
eulerscheZahl: taking a shower now
Astrobytes: lol, wear some shades, helps
jacek: frogs do like flies though
Astrobytes: *toads
JBM: is anyone able to give me a clear view of how many "referee" turns / how many "player" turns / what other limitations there are on SDK games?
JBM: the way i see it there's a 250 "frame" (=referee) default; no expressed max; and something like a 50ms defaut/1s max "player" allowance
eulerscheZahl: you have some limits: 30s for the total game
JBM: i'd expect sum(player time) to be what they really limit, but find no trace of that
eulerscheZahl: at least 50ms per user action
JBM: ah, there is?
eulerscheZahl: that allows you to have 600 actions
JBM: ok
JBM: but it's not enforced as such?
eulerscheZahl: you can have "empty" frames without calling any bots
JBM: yeah that part i figured
JBM: (and will use)
eulerscheZahl: these limits are checked and result in a referee crash if you violate them
JBM: so no real frame limit, but no sane way to abuse them
eulerscheZahl: there are also limitations on replay size
JBM: and the other way round...
JBM: any way to "compress" multiple player turns in a frame?
eulerscheZahl: i don't think so
Astrobytes: See JBM, this is where you need the community-games-creation discord channel :P
JBM: unless i write not only a module, but also a significant part of the viewer
eulerscheZahl: not if it's a sequence of input-output-input-output
eulerscheZahl: you can request the player to send more than 1 line per turn
JBM: welll
JBM: it needs feedback
eulerscheZahl: but you can't feed additional input then
eulerscheZahl: that's a problem
JBM: Astrobytes: i have the view of "this is why they need to document their shit better"
eulerscheZahl: you can't merge these frames. you can set the frame duration to 0 or close to it (dunno if 0 is possible)
JBM: scrolling back a clumsy interface is no better than having to rely on eZ
Astrobytes: I wholly agree with that statement JBM, it's put me off trying to work with it
JBM: oh nice idea
eulerscheZahl: but i suppose you can still reach that frame by pausing and using arrow keys
JBM: yeah that's be acceptable
JBM: well maybe
Astrobytes: This is what I was getting at with my comment re. the discrepancy between frames and turns the other day JBM
JBM: i don't remember
JBM: oh yes i do
JBM: the scrolling with arrows thing
JBM: right?
Astrobytes: Yes, my last comment mentioned this issue, somewhat vaguely, but it's what I was referring to at least
JBM: well i'm about to (strive to) make it even worse :p
Astrobytes: lol
JBM: sincerely, all i dream of is conjuring the will*time combination
JBM: to ditch pixi and write a sane <100% CPU viewer
eulerscheZahl: pixi is GPU hungry
Astrobytes: re Curse makes similar comments :)
JBM: well i'm not measuring
eulerscheZahl: i noticed when i tried it for the numbershifting website
JBM: but i certainly noticed that waiting in the car coding while SO was at the doctor's drained my laptop battery crazy fast
eulerscheZahl: there isn't much going on there. but constantly about 10% load, even if i have a static content and don't click anthing
eulerscheZahl: stack overflow? makes no sense in this sentence
JBM: my bird's eye view is it just tries to churn frames as fast as it can with no (reachable AFAIK) limit
JBM: so 100% CPU is kind of a given
Astrobytes: Resource-greedy
JBM: the variable is the frame rate
eulerscheZahl: there is a limit for everthing. but 3k frames is fine
JBM: i mean movie frames
JBM: flicker
eulerscheZahl: jeez
JBM: your gpu's likely better than mine
eulerscheZahl: nvidia geforce gtx 570
eulerscheZahl: inoryy called it a potato
JBM: well i'm not even aware whether i have one
JBM: ok, next trick question
JBM: is there a way to make the bosses cheat?
eulerscheZahl: the boss is a regular player. and the referee doesn't know who is playing
JBM: drat
eulerscheZahl: if you want player names displayed, that's all done in JS, the java part has no idea
JBM: gonna have to embed public key crypto then
JBM: no no
eulerscheZahl: i got what you mean
JBM: i want forced replayability of a rather stochastic game
JBM: (i'll just add the seed)
JBM: and i wanted something else but i forgot
eulerscheZahl: i'm off for today, bye
JBM: gn8
K4Mx: how can a friend see my bot batttles in wood1 league ?
K4Mx: i mean all battles
jacek: anyone can see your battles
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/onitama/leaderboard find your name and click view last battles
JBM: oh i remember
JBM: it was to have a bot play at a specific percentage less than optimal without the time/size limits
Astrobytes: Bot as in a boss?
Astrobytes: I think you manually have to 'handicap' them for each league
JBM: well, yes
JBM: yes that's my point
JBM: is rather hard to do, much more in the constrained code/size settings
JBM: the ref has much fewer of those constraints
Astrobytes: e.g. the bosses in BR used Smitsimax search, capped to certain depths etc
Astrobytes: So you're not really constrained that much as per bosses
Astrobytes: *as per? wrt
JBM: i feel as much
JBM: it's like "theoretically no", "in practice..."
JBM: btw can we even name the bosses yet?
Astrobytes: Chat to Ille and pb about the BR bosses, might be helpful
Astrobytes: Don't think so, but don't quote me on that
JBM: ok, will try to
Uljahn: MCTS with constant number of rollouts could make boss reproducible with desired strength, no?
Astrobytes: Yeah, that's what they did with the Smitsi-based bosses in BR Uljahn
AntiSquid: +fixed seed
Uljahn: also fixed seed and custom rand function ye
Astrobytes: ofc
AntiSquid: precomputed array of rand numbers :p
AntiSquid: or just use fastrand
Astrobytes: Prune Array works better
Astrobytes: also try to #define RAND_MAX = x somewhere in your main code
AntiSquid: https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/articles/fast-random-number-generator-on-the-intel-pentiumr-4-processor.html
AntiSquid: i use that shit, seems popular
AntiSquid: maybe there's something newer / better
Astrobytes: xorshift?
AntiSquid: oops linked wrong article i guess :D
Astrobytes: Was suggesting xorshift
AntiSquid: no it is that one
AntiSquid: ya
struct: rand() is clearly superior /s
Astrobytes: Especially when you don't seed it /s
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/99e8d4ab-5e7d-4465-befb-8078207cba1d
Astrobytes: yea, 64 bit xorshift
Astrobytes: I use more or less the same
JBM: mod n kills babies
Astrobytes: I store the result and mod with the bounding number if required
Astrobytes: as in store the xorshifted 'seed' in jacek's example
koduncu: hi everyone
AntiSquid: just came across this and remembered the hanabi discussion we had the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71_Kn1UP-wU
AntiSquid: struct
cjss: hi ha ho
cjss: :innocent:
cjss: i like this website, thanks admin <3
Uljahn: thanks, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: even if you don't want to use one of the creators
Imsure1200q: euler is it possible to skip a turn lol
