DragonJ: yes
jrke: Dragonj whats your league in CSB
AbundantPuddle: I don't remember a velocity angle or distance angle in CSB. I only remember there was a distance from the checkpoint and angle to checkpoint. I was only in bronze league though.
jrke: CSB is easy till gold
TheIceSponge_84a2: hello
WINWINWIN: Hi TheIceSponge_84a2
ShlOk: Hola
JKSTUDIOS2020: hola
JKSTUDIOS2020: hello
drykberg: When is the next challenge
JKSTUDIOS2020: hey
JKSTUDIOS2020: They see it is the next year
JKSTUDIOS2020: say*
ArianPunk: guys, i get correct output in my local pc, but different in CG
ArianPunk: what's wrong?
ReborN: using random ?
ArianPunk: first test should be correct
ArianPunk: or even more than one test
ArianPunk: 3 tests out of 5 are correct in my local PC, but only the 2nd test in CG showing me correct output.
ArianPunk: WTF
WINWINWIN: Just learnt Floyd Warshall and used it in GitC anyone can advice a nother puzzle or game where I can use it?
Uljahn: any grid- or graph-based game?
Uljahn: e.g. using it in platinum rift
Uljahn: there are large maps in PR2, so have to use scipy in python
wlesavo: there are actualy not that many games on cg where you need a path searching on weighted graph, at least from what ive played
wlesavo: but you can still use fw instead of bfs i guess
WINWINWIN: Ty wlesavo, Uljahn but I dont think that some of the games have weighted graphs that can be precomputed
WINWINWIN: Will try it out in PR
wlesavo: lol 7 acceptions on yinsh
struct: :(
jacek: universe doesnt want yinsh
ArianPunk: anyone knows why I'm getting correct output on my PC but not in CG
ArianPunk: ?
struct: validators are differnt from test cases
ArianPunk: but still
ArianPunk: my code is generalized
struct: What puzzle?
ArianPunk: MIME
struct: language?
ArianPunk: C
struct: paste the code here
ArianPunk: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/44979eff-61c0-4aca-b74c-dbcdb5ef548c
ArianPunk: wait
ArianPunk: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/676840ba-d689-4171-9e7a-1b566a064d1f
ArianPunk: my code doesn't work on capitalized file formats (i.e. TXT != txt)
ArianPunk: but still it is giving me correct results when used for lower-cased file formats.
ArianPunk: That means, the first three cases are ok on my PC, and I know they are all lowercase on CG as well. So, there shouldn't be a problem.
wlesavo: 4th case have capitals
wlesavo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3878b667-f2c9-497b-94f5-9c46d7a6fd80
ArianPunk: yes
wlesavo: oh i misread
ArianPunk: but not the first 3
Uljahn: looks like your code only prints UNKNOWN on CG, you could use debug output to find the cause
ArianPunk: I generalized to upper and lower case, and still no change.
ArianPunk: Although I get correct output on all cases on my PC
ArianPunk: Where to debug output in CG?
ArianPunk: It doesn't always output UNKNOWN.
Uljahn: are you using the same compiler as CG's?
ArianPunk: Try the first case and you will see that only the 1st out of 3 outputs is UNKNOWN
ArianPunk: I don't know.
ArianPunk: mingw
ArianPunk: mine is.
Uljahn: https://www.codingame.com/faq
ArianPunk: I checked the url.
ArianPunk: it says CG's is GCC.
ArianPunk: I don't think that's the problem.
Uljahn: also there is a commented line with debug print in the default code
ArianPunk: yea, so?
RoboStac: you've removed an fgetc(stdin) line from the stub code so you aren't reading the inputs correctly
ArianPunk: i fflushed it
ArianPunk: You're correct
RoboStac: fflush doesn't do anything on an input stream
ArianPunk: Thank you. Now only the last test is incorrect.
ArianPunk: I used fflush coz' in stack overflow some have suggested on some posts.
ArianPunk: I used fflush in another script and it seems it worked.
Rafdune: Hi everybody !
ArianPunk: hye
DevelopWithAP: Hi everyone
kovi: very nice neumann
Neumann: Hardcoded :/
kovi: not nice then
Neumann: Last non-hardcoded was 10607
kovi: that is still nice
Neumann: Yup
Neumann: But not enough to beat a NN :D
kovi: :)
ArianPunk: Robostac you are in Manchester?
TTTao: Hello,everybody!
wlesavo: Neumann how many test hardcoded?
TTTao: SOOOOOOHARD CODED:grimacing:
WINWINWIN: What is the equivalent of a HashMap in C#?
Astrobytes: Dictionary I think
Tiramon: tried https://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+the+equivalent+of+a+HashMap+in+C%23%3F ?
Tiramon: @WINWINWIN
WINWINWIN: Tiramon tried that :D
Tiramon: gives me a pretty precise answer to that question ;)
WINWINWIN: people only say dictionary, wanted to know if there is a better alternative
Astrobytes: If people only say one thing, that should give you an idea
WINWINWIN: :(
Uljahn: try associative arrays :smirk:
Neumann: wlesavo: all of them
darkhorse64: How much can we reach without hardcoding ? sub 11k ?
darkhorse64: Sorry, the answer is in the scroll
jacek: harcoding? were?
darkhorse64: Speed Race
Astrobytes: *Search Race
Astrobytes: ;)
struct: Sub 11k is possible yeah
wlesavo: wow, thats hardcore hardcoding Neumann
ArianPunk: Guys, are google Facebook etc. employees play CG too?
ArianPunk: Do*
ReborN: Some for sure
ArianPunk: what are the competitors of CG, if any?
ArianPunk: I mean other websites similar to CG.
Uljahn: https://clist.by/resources/
ReborN: https://www.google.com/search?q=codingame+like
ArianPunk: there's too many.
Uljahn: they are not even close to CG by user experience i guess
ReborN: CG design and UI looks so clean compared to some of their main competitors
ArianPunk: Yeah, my thought the same.
ArianPunk: I see no reason to join them
ArianPunk: Are there any Rankings for CG like games as well?
ArianPunk: CG-lie websites*
cegprakash: how do I check my rank in all multis in 1 page?
struct: you go to your profile
struct: press rank
struct: then press bot programming
cegprakash: https://cgmulti.azke.fr/players?p=cegprakash%20eulerscheZahl
cegprakash: my oware rank not showing here
struct: oware not on the game list I guess
struct: hasnt been updated
ShlOk: Hola
struct: hi
AntiSquid: is yinsh dead?
struct: I wonder what is the bug :thinking:
struct: could it be due to this?
struct: https://i.imgur.com/iV0irbM.png
eulerscheZahl: hmm
AntiSquid: doubt it, contribs shouldn't affect each other
AntiSquid: but why keep the old one?
struct: I cant delete it
AntiSquid: i know they don't affect each other because i had 2 diff botg contribs backwhen ...
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl I rekt u
cegprakash: did u see
cegprakash: I rekt u
cegprakash: on Oware
cegprakash: AntiSquid rekt u too
Astrobytes: I rekt you harder cegprakash :P
Astrobytes: Are you gonna continue with alphabeta or try a different algo?
cegprakash: Done with Oware
cegprakash: out off ideas
cegprakash: I'm planning lot of streams forward
Uljahn: the only true rekt is reking maddy in csb :smirk:
cegprakash: paper soccer, search race, fantastic bits and then UTTT
cegprakash: UTTT I plan MCTS
Astrobytes: Not trying hard enough, the highest alphabeta in there is tric trac in 6th place ;)
jacek: in uttt?
Astrobytes: no, oware
cegprakash: Astrobytes my eval only has 4 params
cegprakash: I reached #18 without knowing how to play Oware
jacek: but are they tuned
cegprakash: I mean I don't really have a strat inn my eval
Neumann: This isn't a golfing competition
nocturnalmachine: anyone ever heard of cfengine?
RoboStac: good, I don't want to have to golf my nn weights
Neumann: :D
cegprakash: golfing?
Astrobytes: I've got 6 or 7 params cegprakash, it's all about getting the right weights
Astrobytes: lol robo
cegprakash: I only have 4 and I'm above u
cegprakash: meaning ur params are bad or ur depth is bad
Astrobytes: above me?
Astrobytes: In Oware?
cegprakash: I'm #18
cegprakash: above euler
nocturnalmachine: anyone ever seen a good article, write up, book on the different ways math is applied to solve problems (in the context of programming)?
cegprakash: euler is #19
Astrobytes: I'm 7th, above you cegprakash
cegprakash: oh sorry
cegprakash: I confuse between u and AntiSquid
Astrobytes: How is that even possible?
Astrobytes: :D
cegprakash: coz both ur names start with A
cegprakash: and u both troll me
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: You love it
jacek: euler starts with A?
Astrobytes: Anyway, I helped you with your Oware, so I got a free pass to troll you harder
cegprakash: u deserve it
cegprakash: u earned it
Astrobytes: :)
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl never teaches me things
cegprakash: I cry to him how to find timeouts
cegprakash: no. of timeouts
cegprakash: after submissionn
cegprakash: he doesn't share script
Astrobytes: Write your own! Hard work goes into writing your own tools you know
dbdr: I think the best would be to lobby CG to provide the info
cegprakash: but I don't get it
dbdr: make it visible in last battles
cegprakash: what's the point in building if u don't want others to use it/learn from it
dbdr: then it would be easy to script cheaply as well for everyone
Astrobytes: Meh. We've been requesting that for as long as I've been around at least
dbdr: there is a specific reason not to share it
dbdr: didn't he say?
eulerscheZahl: cegprakash https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/introduction
i shared a lot with that already
dbdr: by the way, eulerscheZahl, do you use the small or the big replays?
eulerscheZahl: ?
eulerscheZahl: leaderboard last battles
dbdr: there are several APIs to get replay jsons
Uljahn: with api key provided?
eulerscheZahl: let me guess: IDE last battles are slightly different?
dbdr: I think that's the small one, so :+1:
dbdr: there is one that includes the complete code of the javascript viewer inside the json :/
Uljahn: ah, i though of the difference in debug output
Astrobytes: lol, wow
dbdr: I think that's what https://www.codingame.com/replay uses, because otherwise it would not even know what game it is
dbdr: but they could have used one indirection, to avoid sending it each time...
eulerscheZahl: oh right. i don't have that inside the response.json()
but it seems i get it without the json() part
eulerscheZahl: didn't investigate tbh
dbdr: that does not sound right to me
dbdr: isn't json() the parsed version of .text ?
eulerscheZahl: you can even test it with my playground
eulerscheZahl: wget on page 2
eulerscheZahl: is with JS
eulerscheZahl: findInformationById
eulerscheZahl: oh, my python uses findByGameId
dbdr: so you use the big one then :(
eulerscheZahl: no, small
dbdr: well, the one that has the JS
dbdr: so your scripts don't use it, but your playground does?
eulerscheZahl: that wget was just to show how to get access. the python is what i do for my actual analysis
dbdr: might be good to update the playground
eulerscheZahl: true
dbdr: avoid more people hammering the servers
dbdr: Astrobytes: yeah, probably json that contains js that contains json...
Astrobytes: Nice...!
dbdr: frontend development culture is not very efficient
Astrobytes: Clearly! Gone are the days of keeping things lightweight eh
dbdr: those who care do get a benefit though
dbdr: fast website => more users, more happy users
Astrobytes: Indeed. I suppose it applies to general development too, unless it's embedded stuff people are just lazy about resource usage and afficiency
Astrobytes: *efficiency
ZarthaxX: too many abstractions
jacek: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition
ZarthaxX: hi AstroBanga
Astrobytes: Yeah that's a good one jacek
eulerscheZahl: i updated the playground dbdr
Astrobytes: looool Zarthanderthal
dbdr: eulerscheZahl :bow:
eulerscheZahl: :bow_arrow:
eulerscheZahl: :bow_and_arrow:
ZarthaxX: lmao Astrobytes
cegprakash: euler
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl ur link asks gameId
cegprakash: can't find gameId
cegprakash: 1 by 1
cegprakash: If I can spend time to get the gameId 1 by 1 then I would have time to watch the replay 1 by 1
cegprakash: the point of a script is to reduce time
cegprakash: I know u are doing it
cegprakash: and u don't share how u get all game Ids
ZarthaxX: stop annoying him lol
cegprakash: I like him
ZarthaxX: but he doesnt have to give all the code he did to you
cegprakash: but he only shared half the part that comes late
cegprakash: first half part he didn't share
ZarthaxX: many ppl did tools and they dont share code
ZarthaxX: i dont see a problem..
cegprakash: I don't want eulerscheZahl to be one of them
ZarthaxX: he shares enough
ZarthaxX: i dont think it's that hard to elarn it yourself
wlesavo: i think he even shared replay grabber for ooc in chat
ZarthaxX: the page one
Astrobytes: ceg I think euler has been more than generous
eulerscheZahl: the link does not only give code but also teach you how to understand the API on your own
cegprakash: hey I tried it
cegprakash: the html only shows gameIds that are in the view
cegprakash: I don't want to implement scroll action using selenium to get the gameIds
cegprakash: it's too much effort
eulerscheZahl: and you saw the thibpat stream. he did almost the same as me
cegprakash: he doesn't find timeouts
cegprakash: he only debugs a particular game
eulerscheZahl: he gets the replay json
cegprakash: but u showed me "15 timeouts in 90 games"
eulerscheZahl: then just parse it and check for a tooltip saying that you screwed up
cegprakash: and u did it in like 10 secondns
cegprakash: how do u get the gameIds
cegprakash: :\
jacek: tulips and daisies, puzzle of the week
eulerscheZahl: how do you get a list of battles as a human?
eulerscheZahl: go to leaderboard, open last battles
eulerscheZahl: how to get the API call? see my playground for answers
cegprakash: so u implementned scroll action?
cegprakash: to scroll through all the games?
eulerscheZahl: no, just using the API without any webbrowser frontend
eulerscheZahl: the API gives you all games
eulerscheZahl: that's the same way as CG stats gets your winrates. 1 call to get the last battles
eulerscheZahl: and CG stats is open source btw
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/dreignier/cgstats/blob/master/cgstats.js
read the comments at the very top
eulerscheZahl: and https://github.com/dreignier/cgstats/blob/master/cgstats.js#L263
eulerscheZahl: no idea why i even reply after this aggressive opinion that I *have* to share. I can keep to myself whatever I want
Astrobytes: You are indeed overly generous at times euler
jacek: yeah
jacek: let me thank you by inviting to my clash
WINWINWIN: I dont understand how knowing the number of timeouts can be helpful
Astrobytes: Knowing the number of timeouts means you can subtract that from your number of losses
Astrobytes: So... useful knowledge no? Reasons why you lose matches? Do I timeout?
WINWINWIN: So you can see how good the AI would be if you fix the bugs?
eulerscheZahl: it's not about the number but the replays with timeouts
eulerscheZahl: to find possible crashes when you don't handle a corner case
Astrobytes: Well, it lets you know you *have* the bugs, and as euler says you can then analyse the games which timeout
WINWINWIN: Ahh, so you can automate the "Search for timeouts" bit
eulerscheZahl: yes
WINWINWIN: so you can directly analyze the replays
Astrobytes: Yes... that's what we've been talking about
WINWINWIN: Thanks :)
Astrobytes: WINWINWIN, check out euler's playground: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/introduction
WINWINWIN: Thanks Astrobytes, am checking it now
cegprakash: i need the no. of timeouts as well :D especially in oware
cegprakash: as I do higher depth with alpha beta pruning I just want my timeout chance to be as less as possible
cegprakash: I don't do iterative deepening to constraint depth yet
cegprakash: my timeout bot performs better than non timeout bots at instances
Astrobytes: You can timeout with invalid moves also remember, not just run out of time
eulerscheZahl: let's teach google some nonsense https://imgur.com/a/rweeDp5
jacek: mhm, with iterative deepening you are constrained with time, not depth
cegprakash: yeah eulerscheZahl it sometimes asks me to choose bicycles whenn there is only 1 motorcycle
cegprakash: jacek yes that's the advanntage of iterative deepeningn
cegprakash: I need to learnn that soon
eulerscheZahl: i like the "crosswalks" with text written on the lane
cegprakash: but iterative deepening has a disadvantnage of usingn lot of memory and extra if connditionsn
jacek: no :?
cegprakash: I don't know why my keyboard is drunkk
WINWINWIN: At the end of the playground, euler uses this
WINWINWIN: #if DEBUG
WINWINWIN: Why the #if instead of a regular if?
eulerscheZahl: because i can define it in my IDE once. no need to chance a variable before submitting
cegprakash: yeah iterative deepening we need to remember all the game states at previous depth
Astrobytes: it's a preprocessor directive
WINWINWIN: Ok, thanks
cegprakash: along with all the gamestates in current branch
eulerscheZahl: and i avoid a runtime branching which is faster. but really doesn't matter if it's only once per turn
cegprakash: that's too much memory right jacek?
eulerscheZahl: you run minimax with a fixed depth of 4 e.g.
eulerscheZahl: then you see that you have time remaining and start from scratch with depth 6
eulerscheZahl: and increase the depth until you run out of time
eulerscheZahl: you don't have to remember the tree, you just recompute it
Astrobytes: "remember all the game states at previous depth" How do you come to that conclusion?
eulerscheZahl: the tree size explodes anyways. you don't save much by saving the tree. and pruning can change when you increase the depth
Astrobytes: You can store moves and scores, don't store gamestates
cegprakash: ppl talk about transposition tables and u say recalculate everything eulerscheZahl
Astrobytes: You don't store the whole state in a TT
jacek: cegprakash it is really just adding for loop for you alphabeta
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/50f3110f-3150-4c15-9799-5acfbb4168cc
jacek: TT and stuff is optional
cegprakash: jacek this looks slow...
Astrobytes: Yeah, you don't always need TTs and stuff, like we said the other day it's game-dependent
cegprakash: why do u recompute everything
cegprakash: say if u get a depth of 14 without recomputation u would reach depth of 15
cegprakash: which is lot better
cegprakash: that's the true iterative deepening
cegprakash: use the existing result
jacek: it looks slow at first glance
eulerscheZahl: then use your previous run for move ordering to speed it up, whatever
jacek: but the result of the biggest depth will dominate anyway
eulerscheZahl: the most time is spent in the last run anyways
Astrobytes: Dude, I thought you'd understood when we explained all this the other day
jacek: and he made his prune array :v
Astrobytes: hehehe
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/76a0ea61-8d5d-4cff-b27a-a2054e38fed0
cegprakash: what is prune array
eulerscheZahl: the first number after the time is the depth i used for this iteration
ZarthaxX: lol eulerscheZahl that crosswalk
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
cegprakash: it enver happened
cegprakash: never*
ZarthaxX: didnt you mark arrows?
eulerscheZahl: would go there 10/10
ZarthaxX: lol
Astrobytes: lol
cegprakash: I know no prune array
Astrobytes: ceg is using the Magical Disappearing Stream STrategy
ZarthaxX: LMAO
cegprakash: I saw something similar to my prune array in smitsimax
cegprakash: not sure if he meant that
Astrobytes: Where, exactly, in the Smitsi page did you see anything remotely like The Prune Array?
eulerscheZahl: my English teacher always told us that we have to read between the lines
eulerscheZahl: I got an E that year. luckily the teacher changed again after half a year
Scarfield: lol
Scarfield: its easier to read while looking at the lines, not between them
Scarfield: :p
eulerscheZahl: "and till next week you'll learn these 2 DIN A3 pages of vocabulary. and that's not much"
Astrobytes: Hey cegprakash, try using these next time:
https://imgur.com/iaFvAsL
Astrobytes: Just line them up in a straight line
Astrobytes: afk
eulerscheZahl: :D
Scarfield: how to choose alpha and beta prune here?
Scarfield: :thinking:
cegprakash: "The exploration and expansion will focus on interesting parts of the tree and you can get much deeper than you would expect. "
cegprakash: is it a food Astrobytes?
Scarfield: The only thing i remember Smitsi mentioning pruning about is avoid expanding some series of moves
cegprakash: what is UCB formula?
MSmits: hey
Scarfield: Upper Confidence Bound from MCTS
Scarfield: hi
MSmits: yeah, pruning is always good. Prune at least the branches you know to be useless and if some branches are almost never good, prune them too
cegprakash: see.. smitsimax was developed with cegimax's idea
MSmits: I think for many games the pruning is where the real difference between bots is
cegprakash: but smitsimax came first
Scarfield: he is not doing smitsimax, something about a pruning array, but i dont now what they were talking about though, something with alpha/beta negamax
MSmits: what is cegimax
MSmits: ah
MSmits: to me it sounds like a cigarette brand
MSmits: :P
cegprakash: u must have heard of orderMoves in negamax..
MSmits: sure
cegprakash: just pick the first few moves after orderingn
cegprakash: that's cegimax
MSmits: thats not really anything new is it?
eulerscheZahl: more like drugs. you won't pass the doping test and will be disqualified. cegimax is too strong
cegprakash: it could work for CSB I think.. especially with opponents who are greedy
cegprakash: and opponents who don't do minimax
MSmits: but if you're ordering, what are you ordering by?
cegprakash: my eval
MSmits: isn't this just beamsearch?
cegprakash: wait there is a beam search?
cegprakash: why does everyone invent search
cegprakash: who is beam
MSmits: beamsearch is when you only keep the x best moves
Scarfield: Mr. Beam
MSmits: lol
MSmits: I've only ever used beamsearch in the context of 1p optimization though
cegprakash: but I don't always keep x best moves
cegprakash: x is a variable in cegimax
cegprakash: based on depth
MSmits: hm ok
MSmits: well stuff like that can work I suppose, kind of hinges on the quality of your eval though, as such things usually do
cegprakash: yeah it's only good against greedy bots
Astrobytes: MSmits, just sorting moves once per turn by eval before minimaxing to maximise pruning
cegprakash: not safe bots like minimax
Astrobytes: a/b pruning
MSmits: once per turn?
Astrobytes: yeah, just before you try all your moves. Not actual move ordering
MSmits: cegprakash if it only works against greedy bots, it doesnt really work
cegprakash: haha yeah
cegprakash: cegimax performed so bad on Oware Abapa
MSmits: aha
cegprakash: when my future moves are tightly dependent on opponents move it's better to play a safe move
cegprakash: I mean we don't know opponent is greedy right
MSmits: dunno what's a safe move in oware
cegprakash: he can even sacrifice too
cegprakash: say u play a game of chess
MSmits: I don't really... but sure
cegprakash: and u don't expect a queenn sacrifice
cegprakash: coz it's a bad path for opponnent
MSmits: right
cegprakash: but he does queen sacrifice and win the game
MSmits: right
MSmits: because you used cegimax?
cegprakash: yeah
Astrobytes: hahahaha
cegprakash: many ppl did queen sacrifice kinda move on oware
MSmits: the moral of that story was not to use cegimax right?
Astrobytes: I think so?!
cegprakash: on oware abapa yes
MSmits: and chess?
cegprakash: not on chess
cegprakash: yes
Astrobytes: Any game really
cegprakash: I will try on CSB
MSmits: allright then
cegprakash: :@ :@
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: have you tried toadymediocre on Oware?
MSmits: the more bad things you tell me not to do, the more good things remain
Astrobytes: I have a free Troll Pass cegprakash remember
MSmits: toadymediocre? How's that perform?
eulerscheZahl: mediocre
Astrobytes: I thought it was toadallymediocre
MSmits: mmh wouldn't have guessed
eulerscheZahl: :D
MSmits: I think I finally made my mcts solver do some kind of ab pruning in regards to draws
MSmits: seems to solve 4 plies sooner
MSmits: on draws that is
MSmits: it's a mess of a function, so i am not sure if it is bugged
MSmits: basically, if a parent has a child A that is a draw and child B has a child that is a draw, then i don't have to explore the rest of child B because it is useless
eulerscheZahl: you are about to write a wall of text again :scream:
MSmits: no thats it
MSmits: I'm done :P
eulerscheZahl: nice
Astrobytes: Makes sense
MSmits: my problem was with meta mcts that it went into "draw hell" solving 47-50 plies deep sometimes on uttt. Now I think it can end at 40. Makes it easier to create opening books. \
ArianPunk: guys, can we add extensions for CG's VSCode?
MSmits: huh
MSmits: you mean the IDE?
ArianPunk: yeah
MSmits: is it vs code??
ArianPunk: yeah
eulerscheZahl: it's Monaco
Astrobytes: It's Mona.. .ffs
eulerscheZahl: https://microsoft.github.io/monaco-editor/
eulerscheZahl: :D
ArianPunk: so similar to vscode
MSmits: i am guessing vs code uses monaco....
eulerscheZahl: oh, i didn't read the username at first
eulerscheZahl: it's you again
MSmits: who again?
ArianPunk: so?
Astrobytes: Him again MSmits
MSmits: you mean that Punk?
Astrobytes: lol yeah
Astrobytes: Ask him if he feels lucky
MSmits: ArianPunk, do you feel lucky, punk?
ArianPunk: Be polite
Astrobytes: lmao
MSmits: I'm sharing movie quotes :(
ArianPunk: :D
Astrobytes: Well do ya, punk?
Scarfield: 3 people here, me, Smith and Wesson
Astrobytes: That should be me, Smits and Wesson just for this occasion
Scarfield: true
Scarfield: or me Smits and WestroBytes
eulerscheZahl: westicle s
trictrac: Hello all, 9 approvals for yinsh and not public : struct bad luck !!
Astrobytes: Nice Scarfogen :D
eulerscheZahl: i only approved out of curiosity :D
MSmits: I thought he only needs 3?
Scarfield: only lvl20+ can approve, else its upvote iirc
MSmits: ohh
Astrobytes: yeah, there's something up with the approval
MSmits: it needs me?
eulerscheZahl: CG has a bug
eulerscheZahl: but sure, approve it
Scarfield: oh
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/507278f09e87a7502889c884cb59a49ca02b
Scarfield: i need my bribe first :p
eulerscheZahl: let's see how often we can approve without releasing it
Scarfield: i only see 2 approvals?
eulerscheZahl: then become #3
eulerscheZahl: click "approve"
Astrobytes: Tried. Still not working
Scarfield: i havent even looked at it, at least i played with SR before approving :pp
Astrobytes: btw, looks like IAmNoob changed his name
wlesavo: what it is now?
wlesavo: IAmPro?
Astrobytes: Check the profile under my approval comment on Yinsh
Scarfield: "A contribution by struct
Approved by ..." then 23 users :D
Astrobytes: Or here
https://www.codingame.com/profile/9429b8d2c53631cad82d5e4c4741c7496584773
WINWINWIN: Lol struct, you cant approve it yourself :P
WINWINWIN: ?
eulerscheZahl: no one can approve the own contribution
eulerscheZahl: that's the point of the review process
WINWINWIN: Yeah, makes sense
wlesavo: Astrobytes oh yeah, i forgot he had a bunch of contribs, easy to track from there
WINWINWIN: but I liked Yinsh seemed pretty interesting
eulerscheZahl: but you can upvote your own contriubtions and comments
WINWINWIN: What is the point of that?
Astrobytes: Yeah that too wlesavo :)
eulerscheZahl: infinite XP
wlesavo: thats how one get lvl 52 :slight_smile:
Astrobytes: in infinite time...
WINWINWIN: Hmm :smiling_imp:
eulerscheZahl: that's why you get more XP than me but only lvl50
WINWINWIN: @wlesavo finally get what you mean, find it hard to believe that he got to top 500 in 2 multis in a single day
eulerscheZahl: https://chadok.info/codingame/leaderboard_xp.html
MSmits: that's actually possible. Top 500 in 2 multis
MSmits: especially with community multis. Just submit the stub
wlesavo: lol
WINWINWIN: :) MSmits I meant difficult multis like Code royale
wlesavo: easy top 500 in tulips
WINWINWIN: Top 100 even
eulerscheZahl: i think i could reach gold in 1 afternoon on most multiplayer games. that alone isn't a cheating indicator
WINWINWIN: I thought that was only possible if you did a similar multi before
Astrobytes: Identical bots and screenshots however... they most definitely are :P
eulerscheZahl: yeah, these are great indicators
WINWINWIN: otherwise, you need to read and understand the rules, formulate a strategy, and debug it
MSmits: who are we talking about btw
WINWINWIN: Seems like it takes more than 1 -- 2 hours
eulerscheZahl: the promotion time alone is > 1-2h in some cases
WINWINWIN: python programmer guy
Astrobytes: IAmNoob MSmits, who now goes under a new name
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: programer
a mix of programmer and pro-gamer
Scarfield: lol he actually was cheating? saw someone bugging him about it the other day
Astrobytes: Ohhh yes
ZarthaxX: that was the astrobully
WINWINWIN: Yes :)
Astrobytes: Shush WeakhaxX
WINWINWIN: :D
Scarfield: banter from A to Z
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: Alphabanter from the banterbet
wlesavo: well not really bugging, most of that was him saiyng iamnotacheater in a walls of messages
Astrobytes: ^
Scarfield: read that as IAmNoTeacher.. didnt make sense :p
eulerscheZahl: same Scarfield :D
Astrobytes: hahaha
wlesavo: :smiley:
ZarthaxX: the Astrobuster got the cheater this time
wlesavo: thats what MSmits would say
eulerscheZahl: can you still call him a teacher when he isn't in front of his class? :P
Astrobytes: Meta-teacher
Astrobytes: lol Zarthuum
MSmits: hey, I will be in front of my class on tuesday
eulerscheZahl: and Friday
MSmits: exactly
MSmits: dont remember everything I say
Scarfield: nice
MSmits: it's creepy
eulerscheZahl: do you still remember the names of your students?
Astrobytes: We have a chat log now remember
wlesavo: especially when you a teacher
MSmits: oh euler studies the chat log?
eulerscheZahl: i was here when you mentioned it
Astrobytes: Only for your messages :smirk:
MSmits: eulerscheZahl i remember most of them, not all
MSmits: I know eulerscheZahl
MSmits: but you remember everything
MSmits: I forget stuff people say and then they point that out to me
Scarfield: https://youtu.be/Dd7FixvoKBw?t=17
eulerscheZahl: and I had some fun with the logs yesterday, see the very bottom
https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2020-05-26
Scarfield: dont be that guy on monday smitsi :p
MSmits: whats that guy?
Scarfield: my link
Scarfield: rudely interrupted by euler :p
eulerscheZahl: sorry
Astrobytes: LOL Scarfondant
Astrobytes: that's funny
Scarfield: say one hail mary and all your sins will be forgiven :p
MSmits: lol eulerscheZahl, you're messing up the html of the chat log?
Scarfield: yea its a classic :)
eulerscheZahl: with the wiki syntax
eulerscheZahl: once i was sitting in physics class. teacher showed us a gas pump and wanted to highlight a certain part of it
Scarfield: that nick though lol
eulerscheZahl: moved his finger over it, breaking the glass in 2 parts
eulerscheZahl: one hit the student in the first row on his head, started bleeding immediately
eulerscheZahl: dropping on the floor as he was leaning forwards
eulerscheZahl: teacher told him not to bleed on the floor :D
Astrobytes: hahaha
Scarfield: lol yea how rude of him
eulerscheZahl: ambulance drove him to the hospital that day
Astrobytes: My chemistry teacher in 3rd year of highschool set fire to the ceiling and the bench with some hydrocarbon experiment
eulerscheZahl: classic
eulerscheZahl: chemistry teacher of mine explained us that he has to hurry with the phosphor. starts cutting off a part. was old and flew away
eulerscheZahl: while he was searching, the rest of it caught fire
eulerscheZahl: we ended the lesson in a different classroom
Astrobytes: hahahaha that's awesome
MSmits: I have a couple stories like that as well. My chemistry teacher. Did the H2 explosion experiment
MSmits: which is pretty standard
MSmits: what's not standard is that he left the classroom because "he didn't do well with loud noises"
MSmits: while we were waiting for it to go off
eulerscheZahl: :D
MSmits: the lid of the box he exploded landed on my table
eulerscheZahl: and in elementary school we were sitting in the classroom. someone from outside opened the door and closed it again with a loud bang
Astrobytes: My 1st year science (general science) teacher (who became my biology teacher) did the sodium in water 'experiment'. Had a massive water bath outside. Cut off a piece of sodium the size of a chess rook and chucked it in. We had to run. There was no water bath remaining. Was awesome :D
MSmits: after a few classes there was this other guy in the classroom who was really just an assistent lab guy... but we thought the school leadership hired him to keep an eye on our teacher
Astrobytes: lol MSmits :D
eulerscheZahl: one of my classmates wanted to demonstrate it to another teacher. repeated it and suddenly hold the door handle is his hands. we were locked inside the room
MSmits: nice :)
Astrobytes: We once ruined some teachers lab coats using high molarity H2SO4, had to sneak into the lab tech's storeroom and everything. Was great when the coats just fell apart.
MSmits: ouch
Astrobytes: (they weren't exactly what you call 'high'grade' lab coats)
MSmits: that would get you expelled for sure in our school. They love their lab coats
MSmits: as a teacher I made a dent in the ceiling once
AntiSquid: oh i remember the many occurrences no where no teacher showed up for class, and then when students started leaving early because of it, the school directing asshole came in to mark attendance
Astrobytes: We used to steal Büchner flasks and sell them to the stoners to make bongs from
Scarfield: lol
Emmaka9: Hey guys, I'm Emeka, I'm new here.:slight_smile:
AntiSquid: hello new here
Scarfield: hi
Scarfield: HashtroBytes
AntiSquid: also your name says Emmaka, why do you pretend your name is Emeka ?
MSmits: I did an experiment with an aluminum ring around a coil and you suddenly turn on the current, causing induction in the ring which forces it to go up. Some student suggested to extend the iron core to see if it would have more effect. The dent is still in the ceiling today
Astrobytes: lol Weedfield
Scarfield: xD
Emmaka9: Can you guys help me get familiar with this platform?
Astrobytes: That's great MSmits :D
AntiSquid: MSmits that reminds me of : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4
MSmits: I also did an experiment with fluid pressure using the gas lines as counter pressure. But there was some extra pressure on it and the green colored water jumped out of the other end all over me
Emmaka9: btw why are you guys talking about chemistry?
MSmits: luckily it washed out, but i did have to teach green the rest of the day
Astrobytes: hahahaha
Jasperr: Emmaka9 start with the easy puzzles in Practice > Easy puzzles
Astrobytes: Emmaka9 the conversation just started from talking about teachers
MSmits: we were talking about our own teachers and I am one, so I have stories from both ends :P
Emmaka9: oh
Jasperr: Haha my mom is a teacher, makes for great dinner stories :)
eulerscheZahl: so you have more stories in total :)
MSmits: definitely
MSmits: a colleague of mine was doing experiments with liquid nitrogen
MSmits: people that do that, tend to throw it around and watch it turn to smoke
MSmits: but my colleague just let it flow out of the can in one place
MSmits: the floor covering froze, cooled and tore
MSmits: oops
eulerscheZahl: :D
Astrobytes: How much area did he destroy?
MSmits: small area
MSmits: but you can still see it
Astrobytes: Awesome
eulerscheZahl: my teacher just put roses in it and them broke them like glass
AntiSquid: ugh good he didn't drop it on his shoes
MSmits: yeah i did that too
MSmits: I had a colleague who picked up a lot of liquid nitrogen from the university where he also worked and we got to play with it
Astrobytes: My pipette fights with my classmates seem lame in comparison. We used aqueous ammonia usually. Go around stinking of ammonia all day if you got hit.
MSmits: I one time slurped a lot of H2O2 whatever that is called, by sucking too hard on the thing
Astrobytes: You wouldn't know as it was silent. Unless it hit your skin.
Astrobytes: Hydrogen peroxide, yummy!
eulerscheZahl: i got some H2O2 on my finger once. teacher spilled a bit and i wasn't paying attention for a second and touched it
MSmits: thats not bad is it?
MSmits: not sure what it does
eulerscheZahl: my skin turned white instantly
AntiSquid: i guess i had the most unexciting chemistry classes then, most "sensational" was teacher mixing backing power and lemon juice together
eulerscheZahl: it's a bleach
MSmits: seriously? I must be very white on the inside then
Astrobytes: It's a strong oxidiser MSmits
Astrobytes: CAn be very nasty at high molarity
MSmits: I see
MSmits: I had a fellow student once that exclaimed: "These thermometers are crap, they aren't even set to 0 when you're not using them"
Astrobytes: ffs :D
eulerscheZahl: :D
MSmits: he was serious about it
Scarfield: xD
Alshock: I like that idea
AntiSquid: isn't that the teacher's fault failing to explain how they work?
MSmits: might be, it's funny either way
eulerscheZahl: you can assume common sense
Scarfield: everything is relative, except those damn thermometeres
AntiSquid: common sense, well depends, electric one can just be turned off
Astrobytes: I farted once in biology, and thestools were wooden so you can imagine it wasn't quiet. My teacher came offer and put a rubber bung on my desk and recommended I use it :D
Astrobytes: *over
Scarfield: rubber bung?
Astrobytes: rubber stopper
Astrobytes: like for a flask
Scarfield: oh ah lol xD
AntiSquid: humblebrag ?
Alshock: AntiSquid next class the teacher was hit by a rubber at high speed, followed by a noticeable scent
Astrobytes: I should point out that the rubber stopper remained on my desk.
Alshock: You mean you sat on your desk for the rest of the class?
Scarfield: you should have used it, not like the teacher could stop you after recommending it
Alshock: :D Sorry I'm out :door:
Astrobytes: lol :D
AntiSquid: well there was a story about a student getting disciplined for fapping in class ... his crush (the teacher) caught him in the act
Astrobytes: Yeah, a few of those 'incidents' in our school too. Better than the kid in primary school who dropped a steamer on the centre spot of the football field. (We called him Bobby the Jobby forever - he wasn't right in the head)
Alshock: Now I imagine a mix of disciplinary class, and lots of rubber stoppers
Astrobytes: I will not imagine that.
AntiSquid: my school was fucked up
AntiSquid: in a really bad way
Astrobytes: We had a music teacher who slept with a pupil (of legal age but still), numerous affairs, serious assaults, drugs, alcohol related issues (teachers and pupils)
Astrobytes: Was never a dull moment.
AntiSquid: ah had something similar too i guess, some former uni teacher who slept with students (for whatever underlying reason) got kicked out and then joined my school since he couldn't get a uni job afterwards
Astrobytes: lol, there's a lot of it about
AntiSquid: that's the mild stuff
Astrobytes: Grew up in a rough town as well AntiSquid I guess?
AntiSquid: wouldn't call it rough if that's the norm
Astrobytes: My town (in which I'm currently living) is and always has been a violent cesspit of junkies, drunks and all-round nasty fkers.
Astrobytes: It's a hole and should be erased from existence.
MSmits: have you thought about becoming a realtor?
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: I just mean, you do such a great job of selling it :P
Astrobytes: I mean there are a few nice streets and small areas so there are upsides - but in the scale of the town, that makes no difference.
AntiSquid: you get oddities in every town, but in some towns / countries it's pretty much standard
Astrobytes: Yea I know MSmits :P
MSmits: so the normal places are the hidden back alleys?
Astrobytes: This is one of those towns AntiSquid, there's a lot of it in Scotland. A LOT.
MSmits: hey, so, about Scotland
MSmits: are you still forced to let in strangers if they need to pee?
Astrobytes: Eh?
MSmits: isnt that a law
AntiSquid: lol
MSmits: maybe i am mixing up different countries here
Astrobytes: First I heard of it
MSmits: let me check
MSmits: google: scotland law pee
Astrobytes: It's true :o
AntiSquid: well MSmits let me know when you visit scotland, because i have an urge to go visit people i know from chat in the middle of the night, so make sure you open the door, it's the law
Astrobytes: Fuck that
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: yes, see now you learned something about your country from me
MSmits: lol AntiSquid
Astrobytes: Our national animal is a unicorn and we need to let strangers in for a Jimmy Riddle, whatever next
AntiSquid: ok well if it's true, let me know the hotel you stay at, need to take a piss in your toilet
MSmits: see my memory is quite good when it comes to some things
AntiSquid: ya
AntiSquid: :thinking: those sort of things
MSmits: :)
Astrobytes: Useless things. I have a friend like that. Can't remember anything except movie quotes
MSmits: those are the best friends to have
AntiSquid: does he learn anything from them?
Astrobytes: No. And they're usually obscure. He's a chef :shrug:
Astrobytes: afk
MSmits: food related quotes?
AntiSquid: he said movie quotes
MSmits: yes, but obscure, so movie and food both
CaillouBOB: yo
AntiSquid: do you think about your job outside your job MSmits ?
CaillouBOB: i think not
MSmits: my job and private life are a bit intertwined because i work a lot from home
MSmits: about 50% even without corona
AntiSquid: it's not something you want to think about if it stresses you all day
MSmits: when you're starting out, teaching stresses you. Unless you're crap at it, the stress goes away most of the time
MSmits: sometimes i have to do too much work in a short period of time due to unlucky deadlines, but thats pretty rare
MSmits: also i work only 30 hrs a week
Astrobytes: back
MSmits: (as in part time job, i am not slacking off)
Astrobytes: My friend is Swedish so often thinks about cheffing outside of work
MSmits: is this a Swedish thing?
Astrobytes: Swedish Chef, the Muppets...
MSmits: ow right, i sort of half got that reference, wasnt sure
AntiSquid: do you ever think about going back Astrobytes ?
AntiSquid: to cheffing
Astrobytes: I have over the years but I think I'm done with it for now. I miss the adrenaline and the camaraderie sometimes.
AntiSquid: i don't miss anything, that shit is retarded and underpaid for the amount of stress
AntiSquid: seeing fucking whales in offices doing nothing and getting paid a lot more kinda pisses me off
MSmits: whales?
Astrobytes: Nothing quite like the buzz of a busy service.
Yeah, there's that. But a lot of us weren't doing it for the money (well, obviously needed it but we we passionate)
AntiSquid: talking about "administrative" jobs
Astrobytes: *were
AntiSquid: what a joke
WINWINWIN: Now that online classes have started, my classmates have a lot more interesting ways of coming to class
WINWINWIN: https://imgur.com/a/8nKFuZC
MSmits: does this depend on the quality of the restaurant you're cheffing at?
Astrobytes: Yeah, once I moved to office-based stuff I felt similarly AntiSquid
MSmits: I would guess the better restaurants pay their chefs better?
AntiSquid: it's generally lower paid jobs MSmits
Astrobytes: You'd be surprised MSmits
MSmits: hm ok
AntiSquid: at a better restaurant you just put in more work lol
Astrobytes: ^
MSmits: I see
Astrobytes: Even a lot of head chef positions aren't high-paying
MSmits: whats the difference between a head chef and a chef?
Astrobytes: Head Chef is in charge
MSmits: I thought the chef was
WINWINWIN: :D
Astrobytes: In strict definition yes
AntiSquid: Astrobytes you talk about adrenaline and all that, i get what you are thinking about, but if you analyze it more carefully you realize, what you really want is to have your own place and have a bunch of staff handle the rough bits
Astrobytes: And in the US for example Chef = HEad/Executive chef, cook = chef
Astrobytes: Yeah chef/proprietor would be nice
Astrobytes: I had 2 head chef positions and worked my fking ass off
AntiSquid: MSmits emphazis on "head", they make sure to schedule shifts, find covers when someone calls off sick every tuesday and friday night, ensure there's enough stock (food), manages kitchen budget, disputes between staff
MSmits: ah ok
AntiSquid: basically you need to be the kitchen manage and a chef (but with higher caliber too)
MSmits: disputes between people with knives = bad
AntiSquid: uhm it's not like that usually
MSmits: nah, I'm sure it's usually just accidental
AbundantPuddle: I positioned two chef's heads in my ass and that worked.
Astrobytes: Don't. We had a religious extremist guy who started chucking knives at waitresses as they were showing themselfves in the kitchen
kovi: recurse strikes back
AntiSquid: though i remember one of my colleagues at a pub had a dent in one of his shoulder blades from a knife
MSmits: where's he striking kovi
Astrobytes: Took the whole kitchen to hold him down until the police came
kovi: sr
MSmits: sounds nasty Astrobytes
Astrobytes: It wasn't fun
MSmits: i forgot what sr was
kovi: search race
AbundantPuddle: I didn't know kitchens had arms. Interesting.
MSmits: oh the new racing
AntiSquid: oh those weirdos, wonder why they applied in the first place, also "can't serve pork products" rofl Astrobytes
Astrobytes: hahaha AbundantPuddle
Astrobytes: "The whole brigade" :P
AbundantPuddle: Lmao.
Astrobytes: AntiSquid yeah, tbh most of the guys were fine w/ pork because it was their job, but you always get one...
Emmaka9: just a quick question, not to be offensive or anything - are you guys enjoying this chat? because I guess none of you know each other, right?
AbundantPuddle: I worked in restaurants a good portion of my working career. Never again.
AntiSquid: good for you
Astrobytes: It becomes a lifestyle, not a job
Astrobytes: Emmaka9 most of us are regulars here
MSmits: Emmaka9 we are coding a lot in between chatting
MSmits: well some of us
Astrobytes: Yep
AntiSquid: Emmaka9 you sound a bit ... introverted
jacek: i like trolling in the chat, so i enjoy it
Emmaka9: ok, got it
AntiSquid: like i care if know these people or not
AntiSquid: i don't really know most people i talk to in my daily life can still have a conversation
Emmaka9: yeah, I'm a bit introverted, and I thought its normal for CS people ...
MSmits: it seems more common
jacek: im better at chatting than talking
AbundantPuddle: I don't know where you all are from, but in America, the restaurant industry will just use and abuse you. No benefits, high stress level and low pay, unless you happen to be one of the very few lucky people who have made it to restaurant fame in some way, shape, or form.
AntiSquid: the definition of "CS people" is a bit ambiguous
Astrobytes: Same everywhere I think AbundantPuddle
MSmits: because CS = counterstrike?
Astrobytes: :smirk:
AntiSquid: i knew someone who worked for a Gordon Ramsey restaurant, he explained very clearly how everyone is treated like dirt AbundantPuddle
Astrobytes: I stole 2 of his KPs :D
AbundantPuddle: I had a buddy who went to culinary school a while back because he loved cooking. He was executive chef for a number of years. Now he drives for Uber and is going back to school for automechanics.
Emmaka9: just meant to say coder (CS = Computer Science)
MSmits: yeah we got it Emmaka9 :)
reCurse: No we don't enjoy this chat at all
Astrobytes: We know Emmaka9 ;)
reCurse: The hatred is what powers us to keep talking
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: reCurse goes here to get frustrated at people and then disappears to code some awesome bot to whack people with
jacek: yeah, hows uttt?
Emmaka9: btw how to mention someone here ?
AbundantPuddle: It is true. The restaurant industry is probably the worst industry to work in. It is definitely the worst industry that I've personally worked for. And I've worked in a lot of industries. Lol.
jacek: Emmaka9
Astrobytes: Just type their name Emmaka9
MSmits: type part of their name, finish with tab key, you will make the message appear red
AntiSquid: most of the CS guys left since they stuck in wood Emmaka9, that' how things work here
Emmaka9: AntiSquid "This is a test" :grin:
Scarfield: icles
Astrobytes: Test failed. Time limit exceeded.
AbundantPuddle: Can we Abbreviate "CS guys" even further to CS:G?
Astrobytes: or just CSG...
AbundantPuddle: That's no fun.
Scarfield: CSBG?
AbundantPuddle: Need to get as close to trademark infringement as possible.
Astrobytes: well, as Scarface there pointed out, it's very close to CSB
AbundantPuddle: CS:BG
Emmaka9: can I try to know you guys? like what do you guys do? professional coder or student?
MSmits: all kinds here
AntiSquid: sure
AbundantPuddle: Professional Troll
AntiSquid: get an avatar Emmaka9
muy31: high school student
AntiSquid: anime avatars are superior
MSmits: coder, student, teacher, ex-chef
muy31: true AntiSquid
Astrobytes: 2 ex-chefs
AntiSquid: and what are you doing Emmaka9 ?
AbundantPuddle: AntiSquid is an Octopus
Emmaka9: cs undergrad - juniior year
AbundantPuddle: He just wears sunglasses
Astrobytes: I work in conservation and pharmaceutical regulatory affairs
MSmits: Emmaka9 a lot of fun things to do here for you then
Emmaka9: MSmits yeah, can already feel it
AntiSquid: https://imgur.com/a/rS0FOLT AbundantPuddle
jacek: aww
Emmaka9: MSmits btw how so?
Emmaka9: like what?
jacek: puzzles, games bots
AbundantPuddle: AntiSquid, but why is it on a motorcycle? :joy:
Astrobytes: Programming bots for games, puzzles
AntiSquid: i work at a morgue, we had a lot of fresh junior students shipped in lately Emmaka9
muy31: it not an it
Astrobytes: ffs AntiSquid :P
AbundantPuddle: To learn about morgue stuff, I assune.
AbundantPuddle: *assume
AntiSquid: just a squeamish test
AntiSquid: or squeamishness ?
CaillouBOB: deezy
Astrobytes: The latter AntiSquid
Emmaka9: AntiSquid what do mean by "a lot of fresh junior students shipped in lately" ?
Scarfield: claimed to work at a morgue also, it was a joke :)
AbundantPuddle: Has anybody else had chat problems where sometimes the text doesn't send properly? Ironically, my first attempt at sending that didn't work.
AntiSquid: ah that's the riddle of life Emmaka9
AntiSquid: pun intended
Emmaka9: got it :upside_down:
AbundantPuddle: City morgue, you bag em, we tag em.
AbundantPuddle: City morgue, you kill em, we grill em.
Astrobytes: *City café
AbundantPuddle: Oh geeze Astrobytes... I don't envy you then.
Astrobytes: :P
AntiSquid: just to clarify, squid can refer to careless idiot motorbiker too btw AbundantPuddle
AbundantPuddle: I know AntiSquid. That was part of the joke. Lol.
AntiSquid: grill what? the rats?
muy31: the squids
AntiSquid: they do it themselves
Astrobytes: ^
AntiSquid: remember that one time being stuck on a highway for hours,
muy31: ccalamari
AbundantPuddle: 50 quid for grilled squids?
muy31: *calamari
AbundantPuddle: No, keep the stutter muy31.
AntiSquid: after like 4 hours we get past a truck that had potatoes spilled all over the ground and what seemed to be like burnt fuel on the ground?
Astrobytes: Was gonna say 'c', the letter so nice you say it twice
AntiSquid: basically roast dinner in open air
AbundantPuddle: Was therte any roadkill nearby?
AbundantPuddle: *there
AntiSquid: no, don't think so
AbundantPuddle: Shame
AbundantPuddle: Coulda had some Possum and Potatoes
AntiSquid: prefer a bamby
AntiSquid: bambi *
AntiSquid: https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/p_bambi_digitalhd_1f041240.png looks deliciously cute
AbundantPuddle: Venison and veggies
AbundantPuddle: Too far?
Astrobytes: Chat goes quiet when we code
AbundantPuddle: Isn't that a song by Skrillex?
Astrobytes: Skrillex sucks. Nice fella though.
AbundantPuddle: I disagree. He's definitely way over-hyped, but the dude does have some skills.
AntiSquid: i don't code, try to find motivation to sort out a huge mess which others call a bot
Astrobytes: I'm a DnB head, he basically started off making what we call wobble/clownstep jumpup brostep. Went downhill from there. Good production skills? 100% yes.
AbundantPuddle: Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again?
AbundantPuddle: He actually started off in screamo. He was in From First to Last before he started his Skrillex project. The underground always hates on people who go mainstream. I do think Skrillex is way over-hyped, but as a musician myself, I do have a respect and can recognize his talent. That's just my opinion though. Music is very subjective.
Astrobytes: No I appreciate that. I was referring to his electronic career. I also make music (not currently, studio is packed away in other room). That's why I agree he's a great producer, he has excellent production skills, always has.
Astrobytes: What do you play/make AbundantPuddle?
Emmaka9: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a5e6566c-0d7b-41a6-b7af-366e7f3d9bfd
AntiSquid: aneo ? click Forum button
Emmaka9: thanks
AntiSquid: more like a long list of complete spoilers, but w/e
AbundantPuddle: Well I can sight read for trumpet and french horn, but I also play guitar/bass, drums, piano/keyboard, as well as use DAWs.
AbundantPuddle: As far as genres go, I try not to limit myself as to what I listen to or make, but I've always considered myself more of a metalhead than anything.
Astrobytes: Awesome stuff AbundantPuddle! I can't play any wind/brass, but I play guitar, bass, 5-string banjo, mandolin and keys. I use Cubase, got loads of hardware, but as I say not currently doing anything except gathering dust
Astrobytes: I'm into all sorts too (metal included)
Uljahn: i play uTTT instead of bass now :(
AntiSquid: i play youtube
AbundantPuddle: That's awesome! I've always wanted to try banjo and mandolin. Mandolin is a staple for a lot of Greek music and my grandfather used to play it. Side-note, I've tried violin and am absolutely terrible. I can't do the bow with string instruments.
eulerscheZahl: i play no internet connection
eulerscheZahl: the chrome dinosaur game
AbundantPuddle: Lmao squid and euler.
AntiSquid: you have a bot for it ?
Astrobytes: Mandolin and bouzouki ofc AbundantPuddle!
Astrobytes: Here:
https://imgur.com/a/KLPDyvz
AbundantPuddle: Is that your gear?
Astrobytes: Yeah
Uljahn: holy moly
Astrobytes: You can see the cat in my profile pic in the first photo
Scarfield: heey, thats you in the chair
Astrobytes: :D
AntiSquid: rusting away like a bunch of unused knives
AbundantPuddle: Hell yeah dude! Way more extensive than mine.
Astrobytes: I've sold a few bits and pieces since but still got most of it
AntiSquid: didn't spot your cat
Astrobytes: In the chair
Scarfield: but damn thats a lot of gear
AntiSquid: plottwist: Astro is that cat
Astrobytes: The SH-101 really needs serviced but everything else works
Astrobytes: Guitars are still all set up, but can't play anything with this back issue atm
AbundantPuddle: Where's your keytar?
Astrobytes: Actually, the SH-101 has a handle extension, you may have seen it being used like that in the 80s :D
Astrobytes: Handle has modulation controls on it too, so you can pitch bend lol
AbundantPuddle: Lmao. I knew it. Def the set-up of somebody who owns a keytar!
AntiSquid: did you put any of your work out there on the web ?
Astrobytes: Only ever used it for basses and squealy acid stuff tbh
Hjax: im messing around with code golf, how small people can get their solutions blows my mind
reCurse: Wait until you see the solutions of tall people
Hjax: :P
Scarfield: xD
Alshock: that's so mean to dwarves :P
Alshock: aw I was too slow :(
Hjax: im doing tricks to shave off one character at a time, but im like 50% larger than the best solution
Hjax: so my approach is probably wrong
AbundantPuddle: I actually do have a song I put together for a buddy's horror movie on youtube that I did somewhat recently.
eulerscheZahl: which language Hjax?
Alshock: the best solution in your language Hjax?
Hjax: python 3, chuck norris
Hjax: yes best solution in my language
eulerscheZahl: for some it's better to do it in bash and then a system call
Astrobytes: Back in my software only days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsJu5lKimo
eulerscheZahl: not sure about python
Astrobytes: Went a bit mad on the edits
AntiSquid: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ this helps with finding some extra shortening tips
AntiSquid: someone posted the thor question somewhere in there i think
Hjax: doing it in bash and making a system call is kind of an amusing thought, i didnt consider that
eulerscheZahl: at some point it was even possible to wget your solution. but was fixed and online solutions removed from the leaderboard
AbundantPuddle: I'm digging it Astro.
eulerscheZahl: so it was about who can buy the shortest domain :D
Astrobytes: Here's another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsJu5lKimo
Alshock: oh that's why they wantedshort urls then!
Hjax: im surprised the container the scripts run in can access the internet at all
Hjax: seems like an obvious security issue
eulerscheZahl: only for one single codegolf puzzle, not for the others
Alshock: because you thik it's in a container? :P
eulerscheZahl: and not anymore, it's fixed
eulerscheZahl: but tech.io still gives access to other websites
AbundantPuddle: Ummm... Astrobytes... That was the same link. Lol.
Astrobytes: And here's the last DnB tune I ever made AbundantPuddle, you'll like it being a metalhead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-holuvgRgA
Astrobytes: Oh Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD9Hph-7PZY
AbundantPuddle: My chat is dead and broken.
jacek: astrocytes?
Astrobytes: Hard to believe this was so long ago
Astrobytes: We played 'I Am Still Among You' as the last track of my mates set at Twisted Sessions @ Ubu in REnnes (France). Was fking insanity. Great feeling watching all these crazy pilled-up French DnB nutters losing it to your own tune
AbundantPuddle: Def love the grungy hard-hitting bass!
AbundantPuddle: I don't believe I'm familiar with the original, however.
Astrobytes: Which one
AbundantPuddle: I am still among you
Astrobytes: My good mate Scott. We ran this little internet label for a couple years, along with DeeOne/DarkoneUK. Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTziON7TqtE
Astrobytes: Me and Dee played pots and pans DnB mostly, Scott more jungle/tech
Astrobytes: And here's Surveillance, from that EP (more pots and pans):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hToRYfSxmN4
AbundantPuddle: Not me, but just popped in my head. Haven't heard this one in a while. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSPT27XyY1U
Astrobytes: Meh, Jon should've stuck to his Spor stuff if you ask me :P
Astrobytes: I liked all the Noisia stuff that wasn't DnB though.
Astrobytes: Because, Noisia
AbundantPuddle: I just love the take on the old commercials. And then the giant line and gold nose. Epic.
Astrobytes: Now, lemme get back to coding. I've never shared those to anyone other than DnB groups back in the day btw, so consider yourself unlucky
RomainJava: This is so cool
AntiSquid: "i'm still among you" - jesus reference? Automaton2000
Automaton2000: should i just make sure you read the first line of input
Astrobytes: It's from one of the 'Saw' movies iirc
AbundantPuddle: I do like Feed Me just as much as I like Spor. But yeah, I agree, time to code. Thanks for sharing. Lol.
Scarfield: yea thanks for sharing :)
AbundantPuddle: This chat thing irritates me. Does anybody else have chat problems?
Scarfield: it lags sometimes? if that is what you mean
AntiSquid: ah, sorry but that movie series was really dull, including the early ones
Astrobytes: Not my sample. I only remixed it.
AntiSquid: just gore + some villain with "moral lessons" about life
Astrobytes: I agree.
AntiSquid: and in about movie 7 or 8 (forgot how many there are) he basically broke his own moral code
Astrobytes: Don't think I got past 2
AbundantPuddle: Not just lag. I can't type in chat sometimes and I have to open up CG in a new window.
AntiSquid: forgot where exactly, but that one kill was going against everything he was preaching and just killed for the gore-thirsty audience
Scarfield: hm i never had that issue, which browser?
AbundantPuddle: Chrome
Scarfield: weird, do you have a million tabs open or something?
AbundantPuddle: It could also be because I have different instances of CG in different tabs.
eulerscheZahl: or some addons?
AntiSquid: it's ok Astrobytes you don't need to waste your life watching as many shitty movies as i did
AntiSquid: a lot of them i watched at double speed btw :p
AbundantPuddle: I do have addons. That could possibly be why.
Scarfield: but there are good shitty movies, the room, arnold/stallone movies and so on :)
AntiSquid: stallone movies aren't really shit
AbundantPuddle: I actually liked the first Saw. The twist was really good. However, when you start expecting the twists, they become less "twisty."
AntiSquid: the room was stupid imo ... i mean the premise of it
Astrobytes: The 'torture porn' genre doesn't do much for me, Hostel and such. Just boring and mindless.
I like gore with humour, like Braindead (Dead Alive)
Scarfield: many of them are, but cop land and the first rambo are good movies
AntiSquid: oh torture porn is good term for it ...
AntiSquid: asian horror movies (that i watched) were less about torture and more about the story though
Astrobytes: Not my idea, 'saw' it used before and found it appropriate
AntiSquid: well they have their fair share of silly blood and gore movies
AbundantPuddle: The Evil Dead
Astrobytes: ^ hell yeah
Astrobytes: All 3
Astrobytes: So ridiculous
AbundantPuddle: Have you seen the new series too? Lol.
Astrobytes: Never got around to it, was it decent?
AbundantPuddle: I'm actually a big fan, but I agree 100%. They are extremely ridiculous.
Astrobytes: I'm a huge fan of ridiculous horror like that :)
AntiSquid: which series?
Astrobytes: Evil Dead
AbundantPuddle: I liked it. Did you know that Jason (from Friday the 13th) and Ash (The Evil Dead) are supposed to exist in the same universe.
AntiSquid: you like ridiculous horror? watch jap horror, all about the blood fountains with every tiny cut and some cute girls doing random shit
Astrobytes: Yeah, it got a bit crazy with the crossovers
Astrobytes: Was my first head chef actually that got me into all the dodgy /comedy horrors
AbundantPuddle: Yeah, Jason is actually a deadite.
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: Brain Damage, Basket Case, stuff like that too
Astrobytes: Then you got Cannibal Ferox, Cannibal Holocaust (those can be considered early torture porn tho I guess, and have some unnecessary animal harming scenes)
AbundantPuddle: I forget which Friday the 13th movie it was, but they had the Necronomicon as a nod to Evil Dead. They were supposed to do a crossover as well but I believe the project died. Probably evilly.
Astrobytes: lol, dark forces prevented it
Astrobytes: Anyway, ENOUGH. I must code
Astrobytes: :D
AbundantPuddle: Dead Alive
Astrobytes: Yeah I mentioned it earlier, the uncut UK version is called Braindead
AbundantPuddle: Oh, that's news to me. I'll have to look into that. Agreed, coding time.
Astrobytes: And ofc, don't forget that other Peter Jackson classic, Bad Taste
struct: Hello
AbundantPuddle: Hi struct
Astrobytes: Oh Illedan added the debug lines in SR, nice
Illedan: Yeah, pushed 1 min ago :)
Astrobytes: I noticed :D
Illedan: And Collision times are added to game summary
Illedan: They are shown always
Astrobytes: Cool, thanks :)
Illedan: And you can get as input the latest collision with the debug message
Illedan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aymrnzianf0
Illedan: \o/
Astrobytes: reCurse, very nice, do you think you can squeeze much more out of SR?
Astrobytes: Oh cool Illedan
reCurse: No idea
Illedan: Still only 5 angles?
reCurse: Angle status: It's complicated
Illedan: :thinking:
Astrobytes: Switching from 5 to full range when needed?
reCurse: Something like that
reCurse: I hit the submit limit
Astrobytes: Interesting.
Astrobytes: lol
Illedan: :D
jacek: ban
kovi: wow, below 10500, grat
Illedan: Last week he was going full on going below 11000. Tomorrow it will be 10k :D
kovi: im still above 11k
Jasperr: I'm 36.18 away from joining the 11k league lol
Ryan1243: hi
Ryan1243: hi
Ryan1243: hi
Ryan1243: My name is Ryan
Jasperr: Hi Ryan
Ryan1243: Hi jasperr
brettknowlton: i just "unlocked" the distance and angle variables, do i need to initialize them myself or does the game already understand them?
reCurse: You need to modify the input parsing
reCurse: You can backup your code and click on the arrow on top right to reset the code
reCurse: Then it will have the correct input
Astrobytes: Honestly, can CG not at least amend the stub for CSB so that the vars are there, if unused, once users reach Gold?
AbundantPuddle: In Vindinium, I'm assuming mine battles always take precedence and occur before hero battles?
Astrobytes: Yes, Hero battles are resolved at the end of the turn (it's there in the statement ;) )
reCurse: You mean they should implement a code scanner that correctly assumes where and how the input is parsed and used, and that the user did not touch it at all?
AbundantPuddle: Oh, you are correct. Just reread the statement. Lol.
Astrobytes: reCurse, I mean just have all the inputs there but with //unused until gold league etc
AbundantPuddle: I tried to give gold for the hero to leave me alone. It didn't work.
reCurse: Requires noticing and reading it, just like the statement
reCurse: Not sure it helps
reCurse: From CG's side the problem is already solved by never doing that again and relying on community
Astrobytes: Yeah, true I suppose. Just gets tedious.
reCurse: When I don't feel like it I just ignore the questions
AbundantPuddle: if enemy_hp > my_hp { enemy.giveGold(20); output="Please don't hurt me!"
AbundantPuddle: }
Astrobytes: That doesn't work AbundantPuddle
Astrobytes: Yeah, also an option reCurse. Btw, how did the move go? Settling in OK I hope?
reCurse: Yeah it's all good thanks
reCurse: It's an easy move but still takes time to get shit done
AntiSquid: the toilet sit isn't installed yet?
AntiSquid: seat *
Astrobytes: Cool, yeah, always worth it in the end
Astrobytes: lol squiddy, ffs
reCurse: Seat? It's just a hole in the ground
Astrobytes: That leads straight to the neighbours
Illedan: You have to fix a lot on the new place?
AntiSquid: squat toilet ?
Astrobytes: Used a few of those in my London warehouse rave days...
reCurse: There's always a few things... need to relocate a heating unit that's supremely inconveniently located in the living room where the tv should go
Astrobytes: lol, I hate that stuff
Astrobytes: What goes through some people's heads when they're installing things is beyond me
reCurse: Yeah that one is puzzling
reCurse: The entire tv setup before was puzzling
reCurse: Anyway just gotta hire an electrician and hope it's a good one
reCurse: Booked the painters too fast so gotta delay that too
reCurse: etc etc
reCurse: Fuuun
reCurse: Just like optimizing SR actually
Astrobytes: Easy enough job, just inconvenient.
Hahaha
Astrobytes: (wrt to the heating unit relocation, definitely not SR :P )
reCurse: Totally expecting a Murphy's law there tbh
AntiSquid: maybe it's meant as a "bonefire" of sorts
reCurse: Won't go according to plan because whatever
AntiSquid: that's life in general
Astrobytes: My entire existence is Murphy's Law so yeah, probably :D
Astrobytes: Still, it'll all come good in the end
reCurse: Fast forwarding 6 months would be good on many levels
reCurse: Anyway
Astrobytes: :)
Illedan: Agreed, would be done with my own moving then too. Just before the contest hopefully
reCurse: Hopefully things starting to get back to normal
Astrobytes: Don't jinx it Illedan
reCurse: Going slightly crazy with this confinement bs
Astrobytes: Mixed bag for me, I like it in some ways
AntiSquid: there's on positive, people move out of the way when i walk on the streets, before they were carelessly bumping even
AntiSquid: most annoying is 5 people rows walking together and being oblivious to anyone in front of them @_@
Jasperr: The trick is not to look any of them in the eyes and just keep walking straight xD
AntiSquid: i do that, but still look them in the eyes
AntiSquid: i mean wtf are you morons walking in a row for
Jasperr: haha
AntiSquid: the other day a lady stopped on the sidewalk and move onto the grass waving for me to pass ... wasn't gonna stop either way, as i walked past her she said out loud: "you're welcome" as if i was supposed to say thank you, there was plenty space for her to walk without stopping ...
reCurse: You must be pleasant company
AntiSquid: i am
Jasperr: You could've smiled and said thank you to at least 3 people in the time it took you to write that loll
AntiSquid: i guess it's me, since i said nothing eh?
AntiSquid: i am going to stop on the sidewalk and shout "YOU WELCOME" to everyone passing me by lol
AntiSquid: as i said, there was plenty space
Jasperr: sure, ok, but maybe that lady had a different definition of plenty
Astrobytes: It's fairly amusing to see all the junkies in my town lining up at the pharmacy waiting for their methadone. All social distancing and wearing masks and gloves. Then they come out, go buy cider and sit and share it between themselves in the square
Astrobytes: :shrug:
Jasperr: Junkies around our local coffeeshops dont even bother with the masks
AntiSquid: maybe really scared, but don't see why i should stop and explain to her, might scare her talking towards her ...
Astrobytes: lol, they were them religiously. Half of them probably still needle-sharing too :/
Astrobytes: *wear
Astrobytes: Anyway, chat is distracting me again
AntiSquid: if the wind blows 2 meters aren't enough either i guess
AntiSquid: you might have to wear mask and goggles all the time
Astrobytes: Actually the droplet dispersal should be enough not to cause infection in most situations, but still a chance
AntiSquid: i think you, like me, are distracting yourself with chat, it's a choice, nobody is forcing you here, maybe what you try to do feels too mundane Astrobytes
Astrobytes: If disableChat still worked I'd be alright
AntiSquid: ah i have a solution for that
AntiSquid: i use ublock origin to block the chat element
AntiSquid: but then occasionally turn it off and check chat :p
Astrobytes: Ah, yeah, that would work
eulerscheZahl: or just keep chatting
AntiSquid: also blocking the rank in IDE, if i see it drop i feel the urge to submit spam until i climb back up, losing focus fairly easy there
Ziatzoraf: hi
AntiSquid: hello Ziatzoraf
eulerscheZahl: studying highschool, that's an awkward choice for a subject
Jasperr: You should contact MSmits, he's basically addicted to it
Ziatzoraf: i wanna do something as a volunteer
JBM: to high school?
JBM: "something"'s kinda vague
Ziatzoraf: hmm yeah
Astrobytes: Leave high school. That's voluntary :P
Astrobytes: (I'm waiting on a test case, hence return to chat)
Ziatzoraf: :DD
JBM: what line do you draw between volunteering and slavery?
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: how's things JBM
JBM: so so
JBM: you?
Astrobytes: On the lesser side of so-so
JBM: aww
Astrobytes: But not terrible
JBM: how may i cheer you up
eulerscheZahl: with troll drawings
JBM: wasn't the one enough?
Astrobytes: I'm alright mood-wise, just grandfather issues
Astrobytes: He's in hospital now, and likely won't be returning to his home when he's better.
JBM: hey eZ, while you're...
JBM: (22:12:55) eulerscheZahl a quitté le salon
JBM: ok i get the message
Astrobytes: And yes, MOAR of those amazing troll drawings :D
JBM: yea those times are hard
JBM: well i'm OBIOUSLY going to have to add moar
JBM: but i'm too lazy to draw that much more
JBM: so 1) i accept contribs
JBM: 2) i'll set a troll pants color picker in the viewer params
Astrobytes: lol
JBM: i can't really accept a troll colour picker
JBM: because it's going to be part of the game messages
JBM: which can't be post-skinned
Astrobytes: Get drawing some trolls eulerscheZahl
JBM: he left
Astrobytes: dammit
AntiSquid: hey JBM when's your birthday?
AntiSquid: i think i found something nice for you
JBM: errrr zhere'd that come from?
JBM: please share!
AntiSquid: https://avatars.alphacoders.com/by_category/3g
JBM: > Sorry, the page you are looking for could not be found.
AntiSquid: https://avatars.alphacoders.com/by_category/3
AntiSquid: without the g at the end oops
JBM: you been drinking?
AntiSquid: i don't drink
JBM: errr rok anime avatars
JBM: what's that gotta do with me?
AntiSquid: just being nice, thought i found perfect gift for your avatarless profile
AntiSquid: and early happy birthday!
JBM: my profile's fine
JBM: thank you so much
JBM: and a happy unbirthday to you!
AntiSquid: so much ungratefulness ... AutomatonNN not sure how to deal with this
Ziatzoraf: actually there is a big difference between slavery and voluntering
AutomatonNN: fix them and why is that correct that i don't know how to play it with a map of a game before or the
Project-Magenta: AutomatonNN wat
AutomatonNN: why not just put on the server?
Ziatzoraf: voluntering = when you code or do something you can do this from heart
Project-Magenta: ok
Project-Magenta: xD
AntiSquid: unbirthday ? JBM what? excuse me? you suddenly hate me ?
Ziatzoraf: slavery= when you do something you feel bored and you wanna die
JBM: oh sorry
JBM: happy birthday it is, then
Astrobytes: think he meant non-birthday squiddo
JBM: (i've always hated you, why do you read that as sudden?!)
Jasperr: watch out before he ban you
Astrobytes: lol
AntiSquid: ah that would make sense Astrobytes
Ziatzoraf: sorry i have been late beacuse i was doing something
Jasperr: what can moderators even do on cg anyways?
JBM: yeah they really give those powers to the worst
AntiSquid: i banned spammers
Jasperr: oh they actually can ban?
AntiSquid: what does that have to do with chat conflicts
JBM: yeah what's the english term?
Astrobytes: for...?
JBM: the english term totally is unbirthday! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbirthday
AntiSquid: ah
AntiSquid: for leap year birthdays
AntiSquid: need to fix my english :/
Astrobytes: Jeez, OK, we take Through the Looking Glass as a source of meaningful words
Astrobytes: I raise your "unbirthday" with "runcible spoon"
AntiSquid: "
JBM 09:20PM
yeah they really give those powers to the worst"
thinking carefully about this, i have to completely agree with you, me being the exception ofc :thinking:
JBM: Naturally.
AntiSquid: no i mean i 100% agree there, so damn true
AntiSquid: bunch of scumbags
JBM: AMAB
Astrobytes: lol, it's morphed into some kind of regular internet chat
Astrobytes: Still waiting on you topping my "runcible spoon" JBM
JBM: gonna be hard
Astrobytes: (or just "runcible")
AntiSquid: confused about the random "AMAB" in chat
JBM: that just reminds me of rincewind
JBM: and crucible
Jasperr: whats a runcible spoon?
Astrobytes: Terry Pratchett?
JBM: so I'd need an [adjective] spork
JBM: AntiSquid: look for ACAB
Astrobytes: Google the "runcible spoon" Jasperr, it's from a poem
AbundantPuddle: Is it akin to a crucible knife?
AntiSquid: oh ... hm :thinking:
Jasperr: lol
JBM: most of lewis is "from a poem"
Astrobytes: No AbundantPoolOfLiquid
JBM: great excuse for legitimizing drug use
AbundantPuddle: Lol
JBM: sorry
JBM: legitimiSing
AbundantPuddle: It's actually a myth that Caroll was on drugs.
JBM: the proof is in writing
AntiSquid: how so?
JBM: (and i *like* it)
JBM: well... just read it, right?
AntiSquid: maybe it's the gift to write like a stoner without ever getting high
AbundantPuddle: That is not proof.
JBM: yeah ok
Ziatzoraf: :/
Astrobytes: I have no problem with usage of certain substances in all honesty
JBM: it'd be if i were a psychiatrist
AntiSquid: ok wait
AbundantPuddle: There is literally no evidence whatsoever that he took drugs.
JBM: nope
JBM: literally none
JBM: but opinions werent' formed out of the void
AbundantPuddle: We know of many other authors and their substance abuse, so why not Caroll's?
Astrobytes: But thousands of people who were thought he must've been, that counts for something right?
AntiSquid: could have been a form of synesthesia, where the guy starts seeing colors from whatever other stimuli in his surrounding, for example some people with it get it triggered by music
JBM: just read more from him :)
JBM: yeah your crazy rationalization is as good as mine
Astrobytes: Yeah AntiSquid I used to get that a lot on ac... I will not incriminate myself
AbundantPuddle: Well considering most people who say he did drugs assume he was on LSD, which is a synthesized man made drug that didn't exist in his time, I find it pretty hard to believe.
JBM: so maybe it wasn't lsd then
Astrobytes: I never heard anyone say that
AbundantPuddle: Psylocibin maybe?
JBM: that's more or less "explicit"
Astrobytes: *Psilocybin
AbundantPuddle: Maybe he was hanging out with some fungi's?
AbundantPuddle: Astro, you really seem to enjoy correcting my spelling. Lol.
AntiSquid: what about lovecraft ?
JBM: completely diferent stuff
AbundantPuddle: Astro is on drugs.
AntiSquid: you need drugs to have a wild imagination?
JBM: yeah, kind of
AntiSquid: i don't think so
JBM: until proved otherzise
JBM: i'm not going to get my hands to accept this evening's current layout am i
AntiSquid: other people don't tick differently eh?
AbundantPuddle: So guilty until proven innocent?
Astrobytes: Sorry, AbundantPuddle, born pedant, mushroom enthusiast and biologist with interests in organic chem.
JBM: why the negativity?
JBM: i see no shame in it
Astrobytes: (general fungi I mean by enthusiast)
AbundantPuddle: It's all good Astro. If I'm wrong with something, I expect someone to correwct me. Just giving you a hard time.
AntiSquid: i don't see drug use as a necessity to have a wild fantasy, that's all
Astrobytes: And I am on drugs, just legal ones.
JBM: i... wish it weren't
JBM: but am still not convinced of the opposite
AbundantPuddle: Everybody is always on drugs all the time.
AntiSquid: an assumption and there's no proof for it
JBM: sure
JBM: as is yours
Astrobytes: I'll be honest, I've done my share of 'mind-expanding' substances in the past, and thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it.
AntiSquid: that people are different and don't all fall into a specific niche?
JBM: that doesn't have much to do with it dose it?
JBM: not that i disagree
AntiSquid: it does imo, since i am sure some have less imagination than others
JBM: likely
AbundantPuddle: Please don't ever become a scientist or lawyer. You don't seem to fully comprehend the burden of proof.
JBM: "the burden of proof lies on the minority"
Astrobytes: I have a wild imagination, very creative, and let me assure you that what you can experience with certain substances cannot be conjured merely by 'imagining'.
Astrobytes: @AntiSquid
AntiSquid: so you are saying in order to write something like that drugs are a necessity
Sian88: Came here to learn how to code, learned about drugs instead....
JBM: no we aren't
Astrobytes: Not at all
AbundantPuddle: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges
Astrobytes: Sorry Sian88, just a particular branch we explored from earlier conversation
JBM: AbundantPuddle: and where's *your* line between "charges" and "expressed opinions"? :D
Sian88: Does anyone have any recommendations for a total beginner (despite 1 year of poorly taught C prog in uni) to try to self-teach?? (that preferably don;t require psychedelics - they are awfully hard to come by in isolation)
AntiSquid: Sian88 wrong, you missed the main topic
JBM: AntiSquid: they're easy to come by?
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M
AbundantPuddle: Is it an established fact that Caroll was a person? Yes. Is it an established fact he was on drugs? No. This is where your conjecture comes in which requires you to prove this.
AntiSquid: vivid random thoughts? yes they are imo JBM
JBM: Is it an established fact that he wasn't?
Scarfield: or prove its a myth? :p
Astrobytes: Sian88: Can you competently code in C? Are you familiar with any other languages?
JBM: my conjecture is as good as youre, methinks
Sian88: haha nope
Scarfield: https://www.codingame.com/training is a good place to start, also just to get a hang of how the site works :)
Sian88: I know nothing. Honestly, my lecturer was awful
AbundantPuddle: Again, please don't become a lawyer or scientist. This is not how the burden of proof works.
AbundantPuddle: This is how conspiracy nuts have haydays.
JBM: i *am* a scientist
JBM: so too late for that huh
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: prove it!
dbdr: stop being a scientist then /s
Scarfield: that you are a scientist i mean
JBM: that's Really Really hard
Sian88: Thanks scarfield, on that now and still wouldn't be getting anywhere without the solutions
JBM: it really permeates my life
Astrobytes: Maybe try some Python or a decent C tutorial series Sian88?
CG is kinda for when you have a reasonable handle on the language
AntiSquid: chat isn't really helping with coding, there' rarely someone writing whole articles about their bots in chat and it's not feasible either, because then those people need to rewrite the entire thing again for every new person that joins chat Sian88, so you're better off checking forums for feedback and strategies
AntiSquid: also the LEARN button at the top brings up a list of useful tutorials
AbundantPuddle: Right Click - View Source - CTRL F - Solution
AbundantPuddle: *"Solution"
AntiSquid: as for Carroll to be perfectly honest, it feels like in a way he was describing the world around him, crazy people doing crazy things and then set it within a fantasy world to make it slightly obscure, but it feels like a perfect description of ...
ArianPunk: It's my 20th day of learning C (it's sorta my first general-purpose language) and I can't stop using double pointers as they're lovely.
How's my progress sound?
twitlydoof: YO inpsiring
twitlydoof: You here?
twitlydoof: Inspiring Man
Astrobytes: Carroll was a pretty talented guy, a lot of the meaning off his stuff is somewhat obfuscated with his wordplay and general playfulness in his writing style
JBM: i hope that's me
AntiSquid: this isn't a dating site, so probably not? twitlydoof
JBM: wait---isn't it?
AntiSquid: if it is then Automaton2000 and AutomatonNN are mechanical sex workers
Automaton2000: yea i know msmits :p
AutomatonNN: but i can't see how to code and what is the same asset on the contest for a while and i don't know w
JBM: and we live them for it
JBM: *love
Scarfield: Automaton2000 "are you by any chance a ... pleasure model?"
Automaton2000: one of the most important part
Scarfield: https://youtu.be/rOvmVxj6DdA?t=4
Astrobytes: gogogo AbundantPuddle :)
AbundantPuddle: What did I do?
Astrobytes: (still had Vindinium open from earlier, saw your submit(
Astrobytes: *)
AbundantPuddle: Lmao
JBM: submitted and on a rising slope in a multi?
Astrobytes: Most importantly, not cheating ;)
AbundantPuddle: You can cheat? WTF have I been coding for then?!?
JBM: wait, can we cheat?
AntiSquid: /cheats -on
AbundantPuddle: Lmfao!
AntiSquid: /greedisgood
Astrobytes: Premium account only
AbundantPuddle: rosebud
JBM: SPOILER ALERT
Astrobytes: Is that a Citizen KAne reference?
AbundantPuddle: Wait, how do you get the slash in chat?
AbundantPuddle: \/test
struct: Do I need premium to release Yinsh?
AbundantPuddle: Nope
Jasperr: /likethis
Jasperr: put a space in front of it
AntiSquid: space slash
AbundantPuddle: /test
AbundantPuddle: Oh, well that wasn't very fun.
AntiSquid: or add some special char
AntiSquid: claim slash doesn't work anymore
Astrobytes: Just wait struct, CG devs will sort it soon hopefully
AbundantPuddle: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start
JBM: what's wrong with yinsh?
AntiSquid: struct thibaud mentioned on discord he told the devs about it
JBM: (apart being from struct, ofc)
JBM: yeah he always says that
Astrobytes: yeah yeah konami code
JBM: i think thibaud's a bot
Jasperr: thats kind of his job xD
Astrobytes: Thibot
AbundantPuddle: The OG cheat
JBM: if (complaining_detected()) say ("I had a word with DEV about it");
AntiSquid: no he is just community manager
JBM: nice of him being a manager
struct: JBM there is a bug in aprooval and yinsh cant get aprooved
JBM: but who's rthe community?
AntiSquid: "managing" us
JBM: and what's it there for
struct: Everytime someone tries to aproove the 3rd time it doesnt alloiw
JBM: he can manage me when he pays me
Astrobytes: I thought we were in a TAZ
AbundantPuddle: Oh, I thought Yinsh was already approved.
AntiSquid: the CG community has same role as humans had for the greek gods, beings that generate prayers the gods feed on
struct: I dont remember if I tried to aproove my own contribution with post or not
struct: Just to test
Astrobytes: struct, approve not aproove
JBM: act it's "approuve"
struct: aprovar
AntiSquid: aproba
AbundantPuddle: Astro, do you just sit there with a dictionary open?
Astrobytes: I suppose 'aproove' is actually correct phonetically here in Scotland
Scarfield: xD
JBM: with their special /r/
AbundantPuddle: Better than "aproofed."
Astrobytes: No, I'm a lifelong Guardian reader, known for pedantry and correction.
JBM: Pedantry is Important/
Astrobytes: We didn't call it the Grauniad for nothing.
AntiSquid: do you also trying to phonetically correct people?
AntiSquid: try *
AbundantPuddle: Ah, a pedantrophile?
JBM: why try when you can just do it
AntiSquid: youtubers call it a grammar nazi
Astrobytes: If they're trying to learn then yes. I would expect the same back
AbundantPuddle: Wonder why that term never took off?
AntiSquid: which one?
Astrobytes: I'm not a grammar Nazi, but I try to help out with spelling or wrong words if people are not native English speakers especially
AbundantPuddle: Pedantrophile
Astrobytes: Pedantrobytes to you CopiusAmountsOfPooledLiquid
AbundantPuddle: Lmao
AntiSquid: Pedantrophctyl
Astrobytes: A Pedantrophile would be someone really into pedants...
Man_on_the_Moon: ah
JBM: like we needed that
AbundantPuddle: Yes Astro
Astrobytes: I'm not pedantic *all* the time btw, I need to be in my work, but in chat it's just a handy windup mechanism
Astrobytes: *mostly
AbundantPuddle: And someone who is unable to achieve formalism would be "impedant."
Astrobytes: That just makes me think of impedance
AbundantPuddle: I was thinking more along the lines of "impotent." Lol.
AntiSquid: why do i need to add all these annoying "throwsexception" bits in Java ?! why am i not allowed to have cleaner and more concise code ?
Astrobytes: Impedence -> electrical circuits -> speakers -> soundsystem was my thought process there
JBM: works for coaxial ethernet too
struct: just ditch java AntiSquid
AbundantPuddle: I guess if you formally hook wires up to your genitals?
AntiSquid: i would do so without ever looking back
Astrobytes: Effective resistance applies to many things JBM
AntiSquid: but to run the CG games locally you need Java ugh
JBM: doesn't it
Astrobytes: I know you know that
JBM: i know you knew i did
AntiSquid: you coded yinsh in java didn't you struct so ...
Astrobytes: I knw I... .fk it
AntiSquid: why not kotlin btw?
struct: I had too
**Astrobytes resists the urge
**AbundantPuddle viv la revolucion
struct: never tried it
Astrobytes: should've used Clojure
Astrobytes: /s
AntiSquid: csj made his referees in kotlin, but i think there's still a bit of Java code filth remaining
AbundantPuddle: Surprised Astro didn't correct my Spanish there.
AntiSquid: vivende ?
**Astrobytes still resisting
JBM: clojure's fine
AntiSquid: scala ?
AbundantPuddle: Well it could be vivende as well. But it should have been viva.
Astrobytes: Oh, mi corazon
JBM: that's a natural typo everyone read through
AntiSquid: lamb hearts
AbundantPuddle: Hahaha
Astrobytes: Never used Clojure actually
JBM: just do roller coasters already
Astrobytes: Oh it has a Clojure reward
AntiSquid: if you try to do CG language achievements you end up having to use every single language on CG eventually
Astrobytes: That's only bad if they add a D achievement
AntiSquid: have you tried D?
struct: fact: rollercoaster can be bruteforced in javascript but not on c++
Astrobytes: Yes.
AntiSquid: it's relatively easy compared to the others
Astrobytes: I didn't like it at all.
JBM: D is a very good language
AntiSquid: you can't like all languages
JBM: the fact it came to life here is a real problem
AntiSquid: why
JBM: but you can only blame its zealots for that, not tha actual language
AbundantPuddle: Fortran
struct: D top 1 language 2020
Astrobytes: It has some cool features and whatnot, I don't get on with it personally (wrt D). And I have no real use for it.
JBM: why? because it was a dlang.org-mob-driven op, and did'nt stem from an actual need/desire for the language here from any subcommunity
AntiSquid: the D zealots are a bunch of cowards, as soon as D was added instead of teaching the will of the D they ran off with their tails between their legs
Astrobytes: Yes. I sincerely hope CG learned from that.
JBM: just see D as C++ without the legacy
AntiSquid: will of D is one piece refefence in case anyone missed it https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Will_of_D.
AntiSquid: reference *
Astrobytes: If I was a mod I would kick you for every 2nd anime reference :P
AntiSquid: you can't kick other mods
Astrobytes: MAjor platform flaw
Astrobytes: :D
AntiSquid: also you can't stop anime same as people didn't manage to stop the spread of the bible, anime will come
Astrobytes: I see...
Uljahn: forced spreading is not nice
Astrobytes: In the general case?
jacek: https://66.media.tumblr.com/083a8a284d98cf5afc14245469564ceb/tumblr_pxcxx5nJbR1xoyw8po1_1280.png
Astrobytes: jacek :joy:
Astrobytes: 40.f
Astrobytes: woops
Astrobytes: wrong window
AntiSquid: 40f is that a Java float variable ?
Astrobytes: No
Astrobytes: And it was also a typo, should've been 4.0f
iduel: where can i learn coding easily for free?
JBM: i can give you free lessons for $$$
iduel: which language?
Astrobytes: Where can I lear to fly a plane for free?
JBM: whichever
Astrobytes: *learn
Astrobytes: lol JBM
iduel: :joy:
Trice: Is there someone, who solved the Tron battle, and in silver league?
JBM: you don't "solve" tron battle
JBM: you "compete"
Astrobytes: I told you this about Code Royale the other day Trice
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm going to watch something and fall asleep, gn/bn
JBM: like, the TvC last battles?
JBM: gn8 astroes
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: bn JBM
JBM: it's out of alpha! spread the word!
JBM: LOL just noticed AntiSquid competed in D
JBM: you troll
YurkovAS: Trice for tron use Voronoi Diagrams. game description has link
JBM: or just floodfill
Trice: Thank you for the tips :grin:
AbundantPuddle: I code in JavathonScript D#+.NET
AbundantPuddle: It's OOPs
JBM: it so is
AbundantPuddle: Sometimes I like to refer to it as OOPsie dAIsies.
AbundantPuddle: I like my numbers like I like my friends - imaginary.
BieberFever419: 6+9i
daffie: was that last code clash broken or just me?
daffie: AbundantPuddle
AbundantPuddle: I'm not sure what you mean daffie
daffie: were you able to solve it
daffie: because I knew my math was right but it was expecting answers that were off by like 1 digit like a typo or something
AbundantPuddle: I personally didn't in time, but it was solvable.
AbundantPuddle: Did you round up if it was a float?
daffie: it was simple algebra
AbundantPuddle: The directions specified to round up.
daffie: round(d/((d/x)-y))
daffie: is what I was using
AbundantPuddle: That doesn't necessarily round up
AbundantPuddle: You need something like math.ceil
daffie: I was using ceil, but that's not the issue
daffie: for example like I think number 5 was d=9999, x=12, y=10. I was getting 4999.5 but it was expecting 49995
AbundantPuddle: I can't say for sure. I don't remember the test cases, but there were people with programs that used expressions that worked 100%.
daffie: yea they used no math, simple loop, add x, subtract, y, count the number of iterations it takes to reach d
daffie: I totally thought of doing this, but thought that the math would be simple enough but I was wrong
AbundantPuddle: I'm fairly certain the top two who had the shortest code used a mathematical formula.
AbundantPuddle: I could be wrong. I only glanced at their code, but I was pretty sure I saw formulas and not loops.
daffie: nope he used a loop, but it was a language I see people use for like code golf and stuff where it can be written really compact
DragonJ: yes
