jsprieto10: hi
MadKnight: hey
kovi: top5 is very close
cegprakash: oh no: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/453104282
kovi: oh, nice swag!
Swagboy: Thanks kovi!
Swagboy: What I've been trying to do was almost too ambitious even for one month!
kovi: did you set up an NN?
Swagboy: No a partial information mcts
Swagboy: I already have issues with the 100ko limit without a NN
eulerscheZahl: you have a NN?
Swagboy: No no
kovi: wow, you have very nice stat vs. top
Swagboy: Yes around 50% on good benchmarks
Swagboy: But just had a 10+ loses row
dbdr: noise
kovi: you may push joli to #1
kovi: oh, you did cgbench?
kovi: just scrolled up
kovi: what was you winrate vs. me?
eulerscheZahl: you submit too often to tell
Swagboy: I usually bench around 50% against you kovi
kovi: thx
Swagboy: But since I reached the top 10 quite late, I've got many feature a bit untested
Swagboy: First I think that my bot is still too aggressive
metahom: omg, it seems like PonyCode has protection from being played in ide
Swagboy: Hence maybe good winrate against strong bot but average winrate against average bots
kovi: hmm, interesting point
Swagboy: Most of my defeat I shoot first
Quidome: he guys did you stay up all night?
kovi: move shoot?
kovi: that is a risky order
Swagboy: Sometimes just shoot without silence
eulerscheZahl: no Quidome, i'm the early bird
Quidome: :D
Swagboy: It's indeed risky, but the risk is somehow calculated by the mcts
eulerscheZahl: this very code was at 23 1h ago, now i'm stuck around 50 :/
Swagboy: But what is underestimated is the loss of 3 charge points
Quidome: last few hours, any interesting last time arrivals?
eulerscheZahl: swag
Swagboy: yes?
eulerscheZahl: Quidome 07:12AM
last few hours, any interesting last time arrivals?
Quidome: ah, yes top 5, nice work!
Swagboy: Oh right
Swagboy: thx Quidome!
Quidome: and calculating...
Quidome: Kovi at first positon while crunching, all interesting. Is there a life speaker :P
kovi: not any more...
Quidome: i just dropped out of the tp 10% :(
Quidome: can't wait for the next one and it is comming soon. I think i go for Rust. Performance was killing me this contest
eulerscheZahl: always depends on the game if you need the performance
Swagboy: Which langage did you use?
kovi: 4xpython in top10-20, it was not that crucial this time
eulerscheZahl: code4life had lots of heuristics at the top
mean max was a simulation festival
Quidome: First Python, then switched to Java
eulerscheZahl: java sounds fast enough
Quidome: little bit unpredictable
eulerscheZahl: garbage collection?
Quidome: yep
Quidome: but, I have to design for performance as well
Quidome: Blaming Java is not right
Quidome: But, it was great fun :D
Quidome: Correctness is more important then anything
Quidome: A stupid bot with good tracking is already in silver, maybe gold
FrankR: Gold - says my stupid bot :)
Nickname_Za007: Hello
Nickname_Za007: I wonder why lately clash of code servers respond so slow
Nickname_Za007: or its just my internet
mlomb: its a contest
mlomb: welcome to legend martin, are you the last one?
thibpat: Hi :wave: I'm going to take a last try to improve my Ocean of Code before the end of the competition, live on https://twitch.tv/thibpat
Illedan: Writing new very untested features right now hoping they would work :scream:
dbdr: same Illedan :)
mlomb: will you finish the rewrite on time Illedan?
dbdr: finishing a rewrite with a one hour deadline, that would be so stressful
ZarthaxX: risky move Illedan
dbdr: live dangerously
Illedan: I have that up yesterday mlomb. Now I'm only adding ifs :P
mlomb: nice then
kovi: my ifs failed
ZarthaxX: my life failed
mlomb: the contest failed
Illedan: :(
ZarthaxX: Illedan he is kidding
ZarthaxX: good contest :)
dbdr: very interesting game
mlomb: nah its good
Illedan: \o/
mlomb: I'm joing
mlomb: joking*
Illedan: A little too deep :P
dbdr: brought something new in my opinion
mlomb: I just feel too much randomness :P
ZarthaxX: randomness? :P
Illedan: Yeah, sadly too much randomness
mlomb: maybe I'm just bad
Illedan: Not sure what would have fixed it though
Illedan: Visible enemy? :D
dbdr: yes, uncertainty is fundamental to the game
dbdr: that's what makes it interesting
dbdr: but then you can get more or less lucky, and only many games will show the skill, when it is close
dbdr: as always, of course
Illedan: I can't decide on a number :scream:
Illedan: 1 or 2?
dbdr: 1.5?
Illedan: Has to be whole
dbdr: 1 + rand(2)
Illedan: naaah
Illedan: I need determinism :P
Illedan: It's one of my most important numbers
dbdr: what is it?
Illedan: How much hp I have left to force a stupid move instead of surface :P
dbdr: stupid move can cost you more than 1?
Illedan: sure
dbdr: then 1 :)
dbdr: wait, the other one ;)
pb4:
reCurse 05H44
I'll go with pb3 for the meme :D
pb4: please no -_-
Illedan: pb3?
Illedan: 3rd place? :P
struct: yes
dbdr: Illedan https://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=2&col=1&base=10&format=html&rnd=new
dbdr: will be deterministic once you see it
Illedan: It is 2 now
Illedan: and this thing is still climbing
Illedan: :)
dbdr: yes, doing well, don't touch it
Illedan: Looks like new feature worked ok
Illedan: sweeet
Illedan: Or Im just lucky
Illedan: and will be crushed down to > 20
Illedan: :scream:
dbdr: come back in 5 hours to find out ;)
Illedan: 8 wins 1 lose vs blaster on this one. It's a winner.
dbdr: cherry picking the opponent? ;)
Illedan: Picking the best stat in Cg.stats :D
dbdr: I have 100% on kovi ;)
dbdr: spoke too soon :D
Illedan: 100% vs jolindien :D
dbdr: 67% vs Illedan ;)
Illedan: Let's not read tooooo much from these numbers
dbdr: as long as it's for fun...
Illedan: :D
dbdr: no time left for precise measurements now
dbdr: your bot looks good at #6, leaving it there I guess?
Illedan: Yes ofc
Illedan: This is the highest I have been in very long
dbdr: me too. good timing :)
Illedan: But, there is a whole bunch in submit..
Illedan: But you win too much vs me
Illedan: :thinking:
Nerchio: i can keep submitting until the time runs out?
dbdr: Nerchio yes
Illedan: Sure
ZarthaxX: didnt previous rank affect you on recalc?
dbdr: the final rank of your last sumit is your starting rank for recalc
Nerchio: ok give me a good run lets go :p
tobk: hm, dropped from G50 to G90 over night :-(
JFB: It looks that my bot is the_Gold_Boss_killer. Just run 6 runs in IDE - 6 wins. What the pity that my bot is stack in 70-80 gold range and can not play with Boss ...
Nagatwin: recalc will take years haha
Nerchio: :s
anid: wd pb4, looks like ur win is assured
mark7: and here I am stuck in silver
dbdr: Illedan :O
Illedan: :angel:
dbdr: noob ;)
Illedan: hahaha
Riyuk: :joy:
Illedan: Just gonna test 2 different values for something
anid: Illedan resubmit?
MichaelPu: what happens if your bot is in the middle of re-ranking when the time ends?
dbdr: the ranking continues
Illedan: Everyone has to wait for it to finish
Illedan: before rerun is done
dbdr: only new submits are blocked
MichaelPu: so the final results come only ~30 mins after the deadling?
mlomb: ha ha
Illedan: nah
tobk: yes, back to G55, now stay there! good bot.
Illedan: in 4 hours
JFB: For legend even later
dbdr: + several hours of recalc
Illedan: All Legend players are given 1000 new matches
MichaelPu: oww
tobk: how was it? recalc is for max(legend, top100)?
Illedan: *min
tobk: okay, no guaranteed no recalc in gold and only top 100 of legend?
JFB: yes
MichaelPu: so no matter what place you are in legend, you will be re-calced anyway?
tobk: do the top 100 then only play among themselves, or against all in legend (randomly), and can they drop below 100th rank?
Illedan: Correct
Illedan: Only vs legend players
MichaelPu: sounds fair :)
Illedan: and they can drop to the end of legend
Illedan: If you suddenly lose all :P
darkhorse64: Min your last minute submit
darkhorse64: *Mind*
MichaelPu: that actually changed my strategy a bit
MichaelPu: I got 2 sets of parameters - 1 is good against ranks 10-30
MichaelPu: and the other one against ranks 10-60
Illedan: Adding a timer? :P
dbdr: and not mess it up
MichaelPu: no, just a slight change of parameters
MichaelPu: it's crazy, 2% change in a parameter value can be the difference between 15th place and 30th place
Illedan: euler submitted something new?
dbdr: another noob
tobk: some bots also print funny messages (do they still do that in legend?), you could change your strategy based on those
tobk: one was singing the Portal song...
JFB: Your bt do not see messages
tobk: oh, you are right, I forgot
Illedan: That would be wierd :P
JFB: For example message of one bot for another: could you kill yourself, please? ;-)
Illedan: So you need to at AI to understand the message :P
Illedan: And have a chat
JFB: Next level of AI :-)
WINWINWIN: Guys, for back to the code I shud use manhattan distance?
Illedan: sure
JFB: And AutomatonNN will win :-)
AutomatonNN: what is the problem?
Illedan: AutomatonNN can you SURFACE?
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see a problem with the statement
JFB: :-D
Illedan: haha
mark7: Hope my current submit passes silver
Illedan: My submit is winning its way back top 20 at least. Means it wasn't just luck :D
dbdr: Illedan did you put back your previous one?
Quidome: tik tak tik tak
duckquackduck: thanks for the contest guys. it was fun!
Quidome: Yes it was!
MichaelPu: sent a resubmit, turned off debugging :)
wlesavo: happy new year
MichaelPu: save some ms
ZarthaxX: finally its ending
ZarthaxX: D:
Quidome: just entered the top 10%
Quidome: me happy :D
Swagboy: ::)
Nerchio: i like that its ending i dont like that my submit is trash
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: rip tshirt?
ZarthaxX: gg!
Swagboy: 15 first tshirt ?
Nerchio: i cant be top 20 for sure :p
mlomb: gg
kovi: top5 is still balanced
mark7: gg
ZarthaxX: 20 Swagboy
Illedan: gg
Swagboy: nice
mlomb: gg
Quidome: We get a recalculation before we know the official winner?
Illedan: yeah
Illedan: Come back in about 4 hours :)
Illedan: dbdr, this was my old yeah
Quidome: aha
ZarthaxX: Quidome not for whole leaderboard
Swagboy: top 4 kovi
Quidome: complete legen i hope
kovi: truel, i cant tell where siman lands
Swagboy: Oh right he may come
Swagboy: Well played everyone, I'm going to bake a chocolate cake to celebrate
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-feedback-strategies/175885
AntiSquid: lol guess i got randomly dropped over night again
AntiSquid: kinda lame considering it can go either way
ZarthaxX: f squid
AntiSquid: anyone got a link to the leaderboard please?
metahom: https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/leaderboard/global
AntiSquid: thanks
AntiSquid: oh shit i am barely above that top typescript guy, hope i don't get dropped :(
AntiSquid: have a long story to tell, will post feedback in few days probably
ZarthaxX: long story?
ZarthaxX: lol
wlesavo: so its gonna be a full resubmit now?
kovi: how many actual players?
struct: legend
Nagatwin: 2279 kovi
ZarthaxX: structoooooooo
kovi: thx
AntiSquid: why is that a problem ZarthaxX ?
struct: hi ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: didnt say it was a problem
ZarthaxX: hi tobo
thanos.a: is there a way to change the default text when starting a clash of code ?
tobk: the code stubs?
thanos.a: yap
Quidome: 17 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes for the next one!
AntiSquid: thanos should have used his glove to destroy clash of code instead
thanos.a: marvel came after me ..
dbdr: did Siman mess his bot? he's looking low at 50%
thanos.a: my name was there years before them
Illedan: Above dbdr :D Good plan to submit again
Illedan: xD
dbdr: not so noob after all
Illedan: 12-6 is very close..
dbdr: up to 5 even
Illedan: true
Illedan: kovi crush me, but I'm 50% vs ValGrowth
CacheCoherence: Hey, how do I look at the question of a clash of code game once its done?
kovi: i hope illedan stays high, he is good vs. pb4 as well
dbdr: Illedan I have the opposite :D
Illedan: :D
pb4: Illedan get out of there !
Illedan: that is 4 games vs pb4 :P
pb4: that is 4 too many
kovi: one can still hope. top4 alone i have the worse chance
dbdr: why worse?
kovi: (at least with latest runs winrates)
kovi: if it will be top4 games only
kovi: (would be)
AntiSquid: that's why puzzles are better CacheCoherence
Santyx_Orrer: will the contest go on as a competion? if so when?
Illedan: It will become a multiplayer
Illedan: Hopefully today, but I'm waiting the response from CG team.
kovi: wow
AntiSquid: the dream
Santyx_Orrer: multiplayer in the sense you have more subs?
Sissiimperatice: gg kovi ;)
Sissiimperatice: gg all
AntiSquid: no
Illedan: No Santyx_Orrer, only 1 sub. But you can find the game in the multiplayer section
AntiSquid: it means you can play it after the contest
Illedan: So that you can continue, except the contest part is done
Santyx_Orrer: Illedan: thx
CacheCoherence: Can anyone answer ^^^
CacheCoherence: Oh so it isnt possible AntiSquid
CacheCoherence: ?
JFB: Quidome - oficial for Legend - after recalculation. Official for other leagues - now
AntiSquid: no CacheCoherence
AntiSquid: do puzzles, start with easy ones
CacheCoherence: Damn,
AntiSquid: or do multiplayer
pb4: @byebye Illedan, not thank you for the 4 losses :rage:
Illedan: :sob:
AntiSquid: lol you don't know what recalc will do
Illedan: Just wait for the rerun :evil:
Illedan: Just wait for my lucky 20 first wins
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: pb gettin demolished in 3.
kovi: it is also intertesting that makers can play, just not win
(i lost some places on coif wiht bad winrate vs. azkellas)
Illedan: I can win this one
Illedan: (not with this code)
Illedan: but in theory
JFB: When OoC multi will start? Tomorrow?
dbdr: Illedan be afraid, I have a good rate against you :)
Illedan: I'll let you know as soon as CG responds to my question
Illedan: shh dbdr, let me have hopes
ZarthaxX: euler shark died already?
ZarthaxX: :P
ZarthaxX: toad is back
Illedan: Toad \o/
dbdr: you go up and I feed off you, win-win
JFB: long live toad :-)
ZarthaxX: servers dying in 3...
Illedan: :scream:
JFB: Only 2,5 week for start of the new contest. My family will kill me ...
Illedan: Tell them you need to isolate from Corona somewhere far away :P
AntiSquid: no last minute troll submit wood to legend ?
AntiSquid: dissapointing
Illedan: JFB, multi should be ready later today :)
JFB: I'm working from home for last 5 weeks. Now I can tell that I have return to working from joffice (nobody in the office now)
JFB: Thanks Illedan
JFB: :-)
AntiSquid: oh wow they lifted lockdown in poland?
JFB: Not
AntiSquid: i missunderstood then, when do you return to your office
JFB: It is not prohibited to work in the office.
AntiSquid: well here they try to minimize movement
JFB: Becouse in this moment in my job nobody in the office - I can be only one on the floor of the building :-)
AntiSquid: do you like it that way?
NormantasStankevicius: okay, the competition has ended, is there a place to see the final leaderboards?
ZarthaxX: NormantasStankevicius it wasnt computed yet
JFB: I'm working by remote desctop. By one of the probrams I use need to be started from the keyboard - so I can yose it remotelly but to start it 1st time I have to log on on the keyboard in the office.It is strange
NormantasStankevicius: Also, as my first proper competition, I'm kinda happy placing low gold. Tho took too much time to get there, was great to learn some new algorithms, that I could use in graphical issues or just 2d grids... this was a fun, yet emotionally and in general hard run
NormantasStankevicius: ok ZarthaxX, will be waiting, I was competing for my school ratings, cause my teacher asked me to help, curious how the final placements end
JFB: NormantasStankevicius - Gold rating is now final. Only final results on Legend will be after few hours
ZarthaxX: NormantasStankevicius ah i see, gz dude
AntiSquid: NormantasStankevicius https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/leaderboard/global?column=SCORE&value=ALL well apart from legend it's all part of the final leaderboard
JFB: NormantasStankevicius - so it looks that your school is #19/34 and you are #2 in your school. :-)
Illedan: Rerun :scream:
wlesavo: dam, being on the edge of top 20 is stressful
dbdr: Illedan you'll get demoted to gold at this rate
Illedan: dbdr grrr
Illedan: Damn you are eating my score
dbdr: wlesavo good luck! you deserve top 20 for sure!
Illedan: :wave: top 10 hopes
wlesavo: dbdr i hope youll make it to top 10 :slight_smile:
Illedan: I hope Rust stops working very soon now
dbdr: thanks! would be nice, but I already have that achivement, so no big stress
dbdr: and top 3 is out of reach
VincentBab: top20 !! let's hope
dbdr: Illedan :rage:
dbdr: 10% already, going pretty fast
wlesavo: im also eating illedans points a little
AntiSquid: Val is doing very well
TimAI: hey guys, is it cheat from toad ? ))
TimAI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/453207551
Illedan: Nah
dbdr: why would it be cheat?
TimAI: only trigger, is it ok?
Illedan: sure
dbdr: sure
Illedan: I forgot to implement it though
Illedan: :(
dbdr: 1 action per turn min
TimAI: wow, ok, thanks
Nerchio: 37 feelsbad :(
AntiSquid: obvious hax from toad /s
gkcs: Wow, that was a fun contest!
dbdr: wlesavo staying stable?
anid: Are the last submits being evaluated rn?
wlesavo: dbdr yeah, seems like i will get my tshirt :slight_smile:
wlesavo: wow, top 4 is so close
wlesavo: with jolindien taking lead
Illedan: I'm free falling :(
struct: Top 3 so close to each other
wlesavo: did not think it would be that close, 0.1 difference
MSmits: I've been less than 0.01 above the nr 5 one time, difference wasnt visibile
kovi: top4, not top3
wlesavo: Illedan mars landing
wlesavo: but im feeling for you
MSmits: leaderboard is so random though...
MSmits: the differences between the players so small
dbdr: top 4 seems clear
MSmits: you mean compared to the rest
MSmits: thats not my definition of clear, they are close to eachother... very
pb4: dbdr : I'd like to have clarity inside the top 4 :/
dbdr: yeah...
pb4: I'd like it even more if clarity was in my favor :D
dbdr: breathe ;)
struct: rererun top 4
MSmits: struct they won't
struct: I know
MSmits: the main problem is not the system here and a rerun would not solve anything
AntiSquid: 1 point difference isn't small
wlesavo: benchmark top 4
MSmits: the problem is that the bots are too close together and there will never be a clear result
MSmits: because it depends on rock paper scissors also
wlesavo: till you satisfied with results pb4
MSmits: if you add in player nr 5 to the rerun, the end result for player 1 is different maybe
struct: My bet is still on pb
MSmits: and if you add in player 6... it would be different again
MSmits: bots can simply be too close to call a clear winner and there's nothing you can do
MSmits: but pray to rng gods
pb4: That's what I do...
struct: From my calculations
struct: you get 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th place
MSmits: gj on those calcs struct
wlesavo: 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th in the same time
Illedan: Seems I managed to stabilize when out of dbdr's range :phew:
struct: What if they all end up with same points
struct: I didnt take this into account
RoboStac: the
dbdr: Illedan maybe I don't play against you anymore, but you should
dbdr: so only half
RoboStac: they're much more precise on the server
RoboStac: so I'd imagine it's just sorted by that
RoboStac: though at that point pretty much any order is valid
struct: I see
dbdr: clue TGD ;)
RoboStac: as it basically means they're the same strength
wlesavo: even reverse
Illedan: They seem to move consistently now though
struct: So its just not 2 decimals
wlesavo: wow, kovi droped to 3 even
JFB: 0.12 diff #1 - #4
MSmits: Euler and I are 0.07
MSmits: much more interesting than top 4 imho :P
eulerscheZahl: i used to be 21st when the rerun started :/
Illedan: I was 10th :P
eulerscheZahl: but maybe i'll pass Illedan at least :D
MSmits: yeah I saw
Illedan: then dbdr kicked me out
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/AWLg54.jpg
dbdr: lb before rerun
Illedan: :sob: all my hopes :boom:
JFB: MSmits - #20 - #21 is much more interesting imo ;-)
MSmits: lol ok
MSmits: 0.03....
MSmits: 0.02 now
JFB: Exactly :-)
MSmits: i am talking about me and Euler still :P
dbdr: surely would be first for VincentBab
AntiSquid: the french flag all over the place
JFB: Not in school leaderboard ;-)
AntiSquid: hard to take the 2 new categories seriously when so many companies/schools are automatically excluded
wlesavo: wow, but whole top 10 in companies
MSmits: makes total sense
JFB: excluded?
AntiSquid: i mean some people could solo climb on those 2 leaderboards
MSmits: CG is used as a recruiting tool for French companies mostly
MSmits: would not expect anything else
AntiSquid: what does that have to do with recruitment?
JFB: pb4 - #1 now
AntiSquid: if anything it works against them
dbdr: hugary and japan are resisting to the french domination
MSmits: because if there is a business relationship dont you think many players here would work in that company?
MSmits: and be on that team?
N8_Name: baaa
MSmits: over 25 people from Thales and amadeus
MSmits: which are the two companies that had the most contests on CG
struct: amadeus sponsored UTG
AntiSquid: that still doesn't make any sense, there could be a company with no relation to CG and top that leaderboard, what does that have to do with anything?
dbdr: cause or consequence?
N8_Name: @SanduCristi
SanduCristi: @N8_Name
SanduCristi: :))
N8_Name: :))
MSmits: AntiSquid visibility
AntiSquid: and the polish university only advertises itself being there first
AntiSquid: but you don't need a relation with CG for visibility
AntiSquid: and if someone can solo the leaderboard they get visibility too
AntiSquid: it's probably to prevent the new categories to look to much like the solo ladder, but again it doesn't mean much the way it is now
MSmits: well i dont know how to explain my thinking any other way. If a company sponsors contests, draws good CG players into their employ, then motivates their employees to join CG contests to make the company visible
MSmits: ...
MSmits: it makes no sense for a German company to do this, because CG is not very visible to Germany
MSmits: it's not their market
AntiSquid: but as i said the wroclaw uni self-promotes well, i guess i would try there if i was going to uni and wouldn't mind the country ? eh ? looks more fun
MSmits: uni != company
AntiSquid: was talking about the 2 categories though
MSmits: ah
MSmits: yeah I could promote CG on my school, but i dont think many are good enough to get anywhere
MSmits: i might pass the 3 player mark though and get it on there
AntiSquid: it makes the school appear more appealing/fun
MSmits: yeah
aCat: I'd love that some people see it as promotion ;-)
AntiSquid: ya i get what you are saying, but any other company can come and wreck the top, even without motivation to recruit people
AntiSquid: just casually
MSmits: true
Nerchio: aCat so you're a teacher not a student?
aCat: yep
AntiSquid: yes
Nerchio: you were better than your students then :joy:
AntiSquid: switch university Nerchio
AntiSquid: and tell your teachers to come beat acat in next contest
Nerchio: in my uni i have to learn Ocaml, my next bot in ocaml maybe? xD
AntiSquid: why ocaml ?
Nerchio: idk
Nerchio: dont ask me
AntiSquid: do they also ask you to learn java and typescript?
Nerchio: so far we usually write in C xd
RoboStac: I'm guessing it's to teach functional programming?
Nerchio: i dont mind any language but i hate functional languages to be honest
Nerchio: i look at ocaml and i dont get it xD
Nerchio: i think my bot could've ended a couple spots higher but unlucky last submit
wlesavo: kovi droped from top 3 :worried:
Nerchio: they're all like 0.03 points apart though
wlesavo: i think top 4 actually now in reverse order from before the recalc
Illedan: Less and less about luck
lxnn: At my uni the first programming course was taught in Haskell :sweat_smile:
lxnn: I think using functional programming for CS education started in the days of lisp/scheme
lxnn: Definitely good languages for AI programming, but difficult to master well enough to really optimise your code
pb4: "wlesavo 12H12
i think top 4 actually now in reverse order from before the recalc"
pb4: Let me correct that
pb4: "i think top 4 actually in correct order now"
Illedan: Jinx!
JFB: :-D
wlesavo: pb4 :grinning:
JFB: pb4 - you have to add " ... and one of my most important advantages is modesty ..." ;-)
PerpetualTopHat_435a: hi
JFB: MSmits - it looks that you win your small but maybe the most important victory (over euler ) :-)
metahom: eulerscheZahl, Illedan, CG team, thanks for contest!
JFB: Nerchio - if your bot was in OCaml - you will be #1 in this language
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-feedback-strategies/175885
pb4: JFB :D
AntiSquid: pb4 so what were you using for your bot that required more than 100kb space?
JFB: kovi - I think that you resubmit semi automatically to generate a lot of matches to use it for train NN or optimise parameters locally (using logs). Is it true or it is only my "conspiracy theory" ?
kovi: nope, i just used it as the only method of assessing improvement
JFB: OK. So it is only my "dirty mind" :-)
MSmits: JFB I was mostly kidding though, I have no rivalry with euler on contests. I like it when he beats me and especially that he is nr 1 overall. It's more jokingly
JFB: :-) MSmits - I know, it is only my kind if joke (stupid one). I think that it was too long contest for eulerscheZahl . Any way - thank eulerscheZahl, Illedan and G-rom for the contest!!! (And to CG and all its stuff too - of course - bid thank you!!!)
MSmits: yes thanks guys, good job
Illedan: Was fun. Thx for playing :rocket:
MSmits: as a long contest it was definitely more succesful than locam. Though both individual games have their charm. This one was better for a month
eulerscheZahl: yeah, see you for pacman soon
eulerscheZahl: to finally beat you MSmits :rage:
eulerscheZahl: (just kidding)
MSmits: hehehe
eulerscheZahl: stats are on the forum btw
AntiSquid: giving like for pretty graphics
JFB: When I hear "Pacman" - first I see this scene from Guardian of the Galaxy 2nd :-)
eulerscheZahl: wlesavo holy wall of text :o
wlesavo: lul
Illedan: Nice stats euler
wlesavo: i used to writing papers, you know
AntiSquid: just a few paragraphis, papers are longer no? :P
AntiSquid: but thanks for PM
Nerchio: euler your stats are interesting
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl thx for a stat, really nice one
Nerchio: look at dmg taken by mine 1st and 2nd player
Nerchio: such a clear difference
Illedan: But joli deals more dmg
eulerscheZahl: but at the cost of more surfacing
eulerscheZahl: avoid mine by surface. not sure what is better :P
jolindien: thanks eulerscheZahl, Illedan, G-rom !
jolindien: great game :)
eulerscheZahl: well played jolindien
jolindien: thx !
MSmits: yes well done
MSmits: should I write a long PM on this one?
MSmits: not sure if i did anything special
eulerscheZahl: fun fact: only 2 players in legend didn't crash a single time
Illedan: :D
wlesavo: lol
MSmits: lol
wlesavo: wow, im one of them
Cappefra: is there a way to see how many times I crashed?
cegprakash: just woke up
cegprakash: what did I miss
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl got top 20?
cegprakash: leaderboard link plz
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/leaderboard/global?column=LEAGUE&value=legend
eulerscheZahl: Cappefra only if you download every single one of your games
eulerscheZahl: i just downloaded 45k and feel guilty now
Cappefra: oh ok, thanks not gonna do it haha
wlesavo:
eulerscheZahl there is a typo Turns ger game
cegprakash: aw 28th
Astrobytes: wow, pretty close at the top!
cegprakash: yes all legend have very nice score
eulerscheZahl: wlesavo what's wrong?
Astrobytes: Did you get gold eventually cegprakash?
cegprakash: my bot would have may be 1.44 score in legend
cegprakash: Astrobytes no I had a working simu though
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl should not it be per game?
cegprakash: which was 50 ranks lower than my non-simu bot
eulerscheZahl: i'm blind!
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/leaderboard/global?column=keyword&value=ceg Astrobytes
Astrobytes: cegprakash Nice, improve it in multiplayer?
cegprakash: is it open yet?
AntiSquid: later
AntiSquid: today
Cappefra: @wleslavo no, it means Turns GERMAN game
cegprakash: wow
cegprakash: today means I'll surely do
cegprakash: if they delay I'll forget my progress
eulerscheZahl: will fix it when i upload the final stats with all games played, thanks
cegprakash: 818/2279 for last 3 days participation is not bad I feel
cegprakash: If I had done for a week definitely gold
cegprakash: unleash the geek is renamed to what game
cegprakash: anyone remember?
eulerscheZahl: crystal rush
cegprakash: thanks
cegprakash: i feel UTG easier version of Ocean of Code
cegprakash: UTG needed less enemy tracking
AntiSquid: i agree
Radewoosh: WTF
Radewoosh: How to get to ocean of code's IDE?
cegprakash: Ocean of Code is all about tracking
cegprakash: Radewoosh can't now
AntiSquid: contest is over Radewoosh
Radewoosh: wut
Radewoosh: https://clist.by/
AntiSquid: you can maybe play it later today
Radewoosh: clist says it's still running
AntiSquid: when it turns into multi
RoboStac: nah, it ended 3 hours ago
AntiSquid: wow ... that annoying missinfo
Radewoosh: Mah
AntiSquid: did you have another version you wanted to submit?
Radewoosh: I've left some autistic version
Radewoosh: And wanted to submit some normal one xd
Radewoosh: Or even work more on it
Radewoosh: now
Radewoosh: I've expected these extra 5 hours
AntiSquid: can still participate in the multi
Radewoosh: multi?
struct: It will become a multi
AntiSquid: yes, all contests become multiplayers
struct: So you can play it longer
AntiSquid: so you can play it forever, until the end of time
Radewoosh: What will be the difference?
Radewoosh: Between then and now
MSmits: no time limit
Radewoosh: What has ended actually?
RoboStac: chance for prizes
MSmits: the contest with prizes
cegprakash: anyone wants to see my Silver code?
AntiSquid: not much, all bots will automatically be submitted to multi
AntiSquid: no
Radewoosh: Meh, losing a chance for prizes also hurts
MSmits: cegprakash dont share code
MSmits: unless its a small piece
cegprakash: in PM I mean
cegprakash: I need improvement
cegprakash: help
cegprakash: or wait
MSmits: if you think you did something worth sharing in PM, you should do it
AntiSquid: i think it would be frowned upon, but most people won't care since it's silver
cegprakash: I can look at the postmortem
MSmits: no need to paste code in a PM though
MSmits: the ideas are worth more and it is more fun to translate an idea into code than to copy someone elses code
cegprakash: only 10 post mortems so far?
cegprakash: I'll write one
MSmits: there will be more
cegprakash: my wood postmortem is amazing
AntiSquid: i only see 3 post morterms and one really cool animation
AntiSquid: how do you count 10 ?
cegprakash: total comments
_Royale: just saw your PM eulerscheZahl, I like the gameplay statistics
MSmits: can someone link the PM thread again
eulerscheZahl: thanks _Royale
helped tuning my bot a bit (more surface, less mine damage)
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-feedback-strategies/175885/9
MSmits: thanks
AntiSquid: 10 £ MSmits
dbdr: wlesavo, grats on top 20!
struct: grats pb
wlesavo: dbdr thx, grats on top 10 :slight_smile:
dbdr: thanks
dbdr: even 1 digit :)
wlesavo: hehe
metahom: could somebody PM me when multi is open please. want to check one thing
jolindien: you will receive a mail from CG
metahom: oh, thanks
MSmits: this is gonna be a huge PM :(
MSmits: so much typing
eulerscheZahl: do it like me: generate your PM with code
wlesavo: MSmits longer then the actual code? :slight_smile:
MSmits: yeah your pm is great :)
MSmits: wlesavo maybe as many characters :0
MSmits: hey eulerscheZahl, your stats say my mine avoidance was very good!
eulerscheZahl: give me a second to update with all the games
eulerscheZahl: takes a minute to generate with so many matches
sharkdog: Is there any way draw/paint on the screen?
AntiSquid: another multi!!!!
MSmits: tulips and daisies?
AntiSquid: oh nvm
AntiSquid: mistook rock paper scissors for a multi
AntiSquid: wonder why we don't have the old RPS game anymore
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl ur animation shows probabilities.. I only have 1 or 0
cegprakash: what are these probabilities
eulerscheZahl: different paths cause different mine placements
MSmits: this is also a major problem with pruning
cegprakash: these are mine probabilities?
eulerscheZahl: as my opponent tracking gets more accurate, these numbers are changing
cegprakash: I only track enemy movements not mines
cegprakash: do I get probabilities as well
eulerscheZahl: each path has a list of cells with mine drops
cegprakash: for now all I have is 0 or 1
Re9iNee: guys im still working on ocean of code though its finished, will it be available later?
eulerscheZahl: exclude paths => exclude mine locations
AntiSquid: why did you join so late cegprakash?
eulerscheZahl: later today Re9iNee
cegprakash: was playing Age of empires AntiSquid
Re9iNee: @eulerscheZahl ok thanks :X
cegprakash: I didn't get motivation until I got my friend into this the last 3 days
AntiSquid: then you maybe had more fun than me
cegprakash: he tells strat and I code thigns
cegprakash: he doesn't know to code
cegprakash: he plays games though
cegprakash: he might learn coding as I go him into this
cegprakash: he's a manager now at Paypal
kovi: gratz for top3!
WINWINWIN: Congrats to top20 for their consistent performances
WINWINWIN: esp PB4
Uljahn: eulerscheZahl: what does "Spawn from center" mean on your stats page?
eulerscheZahl: if you always spawn on (7,7), the value will be 0
eulerscheZahl: if you spawn in the corner, it's sqrt(7^2+7^2)
Uljahn: so it's euclidean distance?
Uljahn: thx
eulerscheZahl: yes, pythagorean
eulerscheZahl: no manhattan
MSmits: ahh turns out the PM is not that huge.
MSmits: has a lot of information I think people can use if they come to this multi later or want to improve
darkhorse64: When I read what the tops post in the chat, I feel very humble despite (barely) making it in the top 50. There is an ocean between me and them :smile:
MSmits: what kind of things do you mean?
darkhorse64: the way they choose moves
MSmits: how did you choose moves?
wlesavo: MSmits nice PM covers most of basics in a good details
MSmits: yeah I was in doubt whether to post since there are 24 players above me, but I tend to write PM's that have more basics like that to help lower players, wheras most top players will just share their unique tricks
darkhorse64: Can I do damage, make the most damage to him and least to me combining move and silence otherwose move to maximise space and minimize detections and avoid ines
MSmits: but thats pretty advanced?
MSmits: i guess the details matter
darkhorse64: One thing I never solved is how to avoid retaliation
MSmits: me neither
MSmits: thats a top 10 thing
MSmits: it's just difficult to make a bot work with so many moving parts
MSmits: blasterpoard described it well last night
darkhorse64: I also realized the last day that my shooting was not optimal (no kill moves)
MSmits: you mean no fatality check?
darkhorse64: Yes
MSmits: ahh ok, yeah that is a thing that helped me get out of gold
MSmits: that and self tracking
MSmits: I liked it a lot, because there is no doubt in writing that. Only one way to do it right
MSmits: as opposed to the rest of the bot logic
wlesavo: yeah, also liked a blasterpoard's insight, waiting for PM from him
darkhorse64: I tried to do it yesterday but my brain did not comply. My self tracking is OK. I ran it against the top guys
wlesavo: MSmits also it cant harm the bot, opposed to parameter tuning and stuff like that
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: my fatality code is 300 lines btw, so no small thing
MSmits: took me a few hours
MSmits: void FatalityRecursive(vector<Order>& orders, uint64_t damage[], int myHealth, bool surfaced, bool moved, bool silenced, bool triggered, bool torpedoed, int x, int y, uint16_t blocked[], bool charged)
MSmits: recursively try all moves
wlesavo: lol
MSmits: I keep a damage map as i go down and I only succeed if all possible opponent locations have equal or higher damage than the opponent lift
MSmits: life
iFightLegends: They should make the leaderboard filters combinable - like all C++ in Country X, every time I select a different filter, the old one resets...Or is this a browser specific thing?
MSmits: nah i think it does reset
Nerchio: Msmits I assume the opponent can start on any cell, meaning I start with 225 possible states for tracking.
Nerchio: you dont exclude islands? ;d
iFightLegends: :frowning2:
MSmits: no I do lol
darkhorse64: My usual game has been, shoot the cloud, inflict one damage, get two, and end the game with one life for the opponent and my torpedo about to inflict the fatal blow
MSmits: yep, a lot of games were like that fo rme as well
MSmits: i lose torpedo shootouts
MSmits: the assumption of 0-silence might have helped me here
darkhorse64: I'll read the PMs later but that's the problem I have been unable to solve
MSmits: because then you can one-shot them for 2 damage
wlesavo: darkhorse64 this is why i tried to make my matches longer, not very succesfully though judging by eulers stats
darkhorse64: My last try has been 1 silence for me but it fails
MSmits: you mean move 1 ?
darkhorse64: Yes treat silence as a move (quick and dirty hack)
MSmits: I meant what wlesavo explained. Most players will 0-silence, which means you play the game and try to determine whether that is the case for the current game. Then if it is the case, you filter all states that dont comply
MSmits: then you just do 2 dmg per shot
MSmits: because you know exactly where they are
MSmits: i wish I had thought of that
MSmits: it's so easy to code
MSmits: just make a boolean per state for non-zero silences
darkhorse64: Pb4 had 2 trackers, one with assumptions, one without
MSmits: right
MSmits: none of that is hard to code, it just makes your code more of a mess
wlesavo: i basically have weigths, and when i didnt need them just counted a possitions
pb4: MSmits : this is where I'm glad I used C++
darkhorse64: In this respect, one month time allowed me to keep my code clean
MSmits: well not to avoid a mess surely.... I guess for performance reasons
pb4: It was a mess, but if you allow copies everywhere it's still manageable to read your code
pb4: I traded some readability for performance
pb4: (more readable, less perf)
MSmits: ah ok
darkhorse64: like bitboards ?
pb4: I'm speaking about the tracker here
pb4: bitboards are unreadable, but they're wrapped in neat functions so it doesn't matter
lxnn: I was wondering, did anyone try to use a histogram filter for tracking in ooc. I was going to try it but didn't have time. I had a hard time getting the tracking algorithm I used to work well enough.
darkhorse64: My tracker is based on unordered_set
pb4: bitBoard.expandPlus(), expandSquare(), etc...
jacek: happy 420 day
MSmits: i used unordered map to prune states, but other than that it's a big object pool of State objects
MSmits: (prune for chain-silence)
MSmits: hi jacek
MSmits: lxnn I am not sure what a histogram filter is
lxnn: So, for each possible position of the opponent, you keep track of the probability that they are at that position (just a matrix of numbers between 0 and 1)
MSmits: I do that yes
MSmits: float[225]
lxnn: When the opponent makes a movement, you update the probabilities by shifting them over
MSmits: no
MSmits: i recalculate probabilities completely anew every turn
MSmits: i keep possible states for the opponent and update those every turn
lxnn: when they use silence, you model their movement as a uniformly random choice and update the probabilities accordingly
MSmits: nope
MSmits: basically it's like this
MSmits: you start with about 200 possible states
lxnn: Then for any other information you multiply in a likelihood function
lxnn: Sorry, can't type fast enough!
MSmits: hehe
MSmits: it's not what I did I mean
MSmits: I understand what you mean now by histogram
MSmits: it's not the way to go though
MSmits: you need to keep the full state
MSmits: not just the probabilities
MSmits: there is way more information in the states
MSmits: like, where has the sub been, from where did he lay mines?
MSmits: just a single probability wont cut it
lxnn: Yeah, I realised mine tracking wouldn't work as the size of the probability space would be enormous
Nerchio: This is why I wish i started with a Point object would enable me to store much more information about single point in a nice manner
Nerchio: instead i had like 10 arrays [15][15] xD
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a3b6a116-6b44-4a88-a5ae-eec06168d09f
MSmits: basically an opponent state means a single current position (x,y)
MSmits: all the places he has visited in a bitboard
MSmits: and all the places he laid mines from
MSmits: also in a sort of bitboard, but 4 bits per cell
Nerchio: makes sense
Nerchio: i did some string manipulation and a hashmap xD
lxnn: Cool
MSmits: it's amazing you did that well with that, other parts of your bot must be really good Nerchio
Nerchio: no its bad i think
Nerchio: but the mine tracking was
lxnn: Would have tried something like that but I think a bit board in Python would be complicated
MSmits: very
Nerchio: mines
lxnn: and probably not efficient enough
lxnn: How large did the number of possible states grow during a match?
MSmits: bitboard in python:
MSmits: https://repl.it/@msmits/Tic-Tac-Toe
MSmits: might not run in some browsers
Nerchio: oooh
Nerchio: Msmits
Nerchio: i just understood your probability mine map
Nerchio: i just had a list of mines from all states and tried to avoid it
lxnn: ah thanks MSmits, I'll have a look
Nerchio: but obviously it got big really quick
Nerchio: instead i could've done it like you and get % of mine in spot XY
MSmits: oh, i dont avoid low probability cells, if there is just 1 state where a mine was laid somewhere and 10k where it wasnt, i am not afraid of that cell
Nerchio: true
Nerchio: thats good
Nerchio: its funny
Nerchio: stages you go through in a challenge
Nerchio: at certain points you think you have a lot
Nerchio: but then you realise how much you can still do
lxnn: With the state tracking, did you keep count of the number of each state, or just keep a set of states?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: hmm
MSmits: each state should be unique, but some rare cases there could be identical ones
MSmits: I don't check for equal states every turn, that would be super expensive
MSmits: in a regular game with not too many silences, i would have maybe 1k states at a time
MSmits: with crazy silencing that can be 40k or so
lxnn: I'm thinking that techinically, the proabilities aren't accurate if there are uncounted duplicates, but with the mine tracking the states are probaly sparse enough that this isn't a problem
Nagatwin: MSmits actually its not that expensive and quite useful against silence spammers
MSmits: even with mines?
MSmits: i am assuming silence + mines
MSmits: chain silence with no mines doesnt really happen
accorp: saw a bot that doesn't do anything else ut silence...
MSmits: not in legend I think
MSmits: dont think you can promote to legend witha silence-bot
accorp: of course not, that would be embarassing :)
MSmits: heh right
Nagatwin: MSmits 2 silence back to back is common and may compensate
Nagatwin: Against kovi I could achieve 70% less paths than he had on his silence spamming version
Nerchio: so Msmits how do you organize a scoring mechanism i guess this is somehow a way to avoid if-nightmare
Nagatwin: and performance-wise, its all about using a set or a sorted array
MSmits: ah ok Nagatwin, I could have been a bit more creative in that regard I guess. I did use sets/maps for prunign when the states got outof hand
lxnn: I wish I'd started on OOC sooner, it was actually quite an interesting game, being deterministic but partially-observable
MSmits: Nerchio I had separate scores
MSmits: torpedo score, trigger score. The beamsearch scoring was messy
MSmits: the decisions were mostly not interdependent either, so it did not get too complicated. But this part was the weak part of my bot so...
Nerchio: kk :D
Nerchio: interesting post by wala, at least for me about Java
lxnn: If you're interested, there's a section of Rusell and Norvig where they talk about Kriegspiel, which is partially-observable chess.
Nerchio: he did it similar to me so instead of an object he went with a lot of arrays
wala: thanks
MSmits: lxnn someone mentioned that before i think
Nerchio: because objects with java suck apparently?
MSmits: sounds interestiing
lxnn: Ah right
MSmits: Nerchio did you use an object pool?
Nerchio: opponent states were objects
Nerchio: but everything else was not
MSmits: what i mean is
MSmits: did you create all required objects in the first 1s of the game
Nerchio: no they were created during silence mostly
MSmits: thats what I do
MSmits: thats not good, because you need garbage collection then
Nerchio: so its better to create objects in first turn and then just copy data to them u think?
MSmits: try to avoid garbage collection by creating a massive array of objects and when you need a new object just index them in your massive array
MSmits: then they dont need to be created or cleaned up
Nerchio: sounds like another layer of complication :p
MSmits: all my bots do this. In uttt I have 700 mb of treenodes
MSmits: the memory is filled before turn 1 :)
MSmits: well no
MSmits: it is reserved
Nagatwin: MSmits if you don't wanna be creative you can do :
for (i = 0; i<n; i++)for (j = 0; j<n; j++) if (states[i] == states[j]){
// remove states[j]
}
MSmits: uninitialized
darren4494: hello world, which game are you discussing about?
MSmits: Nagatwin that seemed expensive to me
MSmits: contest that just ended darren4494
Nagatwin: MSmits this is n^2
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: sometimes you coul dhave 40k states :)
Nagatwin: sorting + erasing or hashmap is nlogn
MSmits: right
Nerchio: aren't duplicate states somehow useful?
Nagatwin: MSmits I never reach 40k with such pruning
Nerchio: it means he is more likely to be in that positions isnt it
MSmits: I did on full chain-silence Nagatwin
MSmits: with no mines
Nagatwin: MSmits on full chain silence, that's what generates most dupes
MSmits: Nerchio yeah... thats true, but it's a grey area
MSmits: Nagatwin you're completely right.... the silly thing is, I did think of it, but dismissed it before trying,because most of my experience with transpositions is that it doesnt do much. It's different here apparently
Nagatwin: Nerchio depends. The likelihood is more probably caused by the paths themselves (going into mines, etc..) rather than the amount of paths that goes to a given point
Nagatwin: MSmits yeah agreed
MSmits: also Nerchio, if you really wanted to, you could add a state-counter to a state and count duplicates when you remove them
darren4494: Just curious, How much time did you spend on the contest, anyone?
Nerchio: i probably like 80 hours if i had to guess :P
MSmits: 1 week spread out over the month
MSmits: 50-60 hrs if i dont count time spent chatting
darren4494: ohhhhhh
Nagatwin: yeah same, too much haha
cegprakash: i forgot to add fatality in my eval
cegprakash: if enemylife = 0 score = INF that's all I had to do
cegprakash: :(
cegprakash: or score += INF/2
lxnn: Nerchio, I think you're right about duplicate states, but I think that once include mine location and the path history in the state, duplicates would be rare enough not to distort the model significantly
MSmits: its not about distortion I guess. It's about not getting overwhelmed in terms of calculation time required
lxnn: Although I don't have code available to test this notion hypothesis
lxnn: *hypothesis
wlesavo: last chance to beat pb4 before he updated his code on contrib page
MSmits: lol
MSmits: hey, i found the trick to beating pb 4 last night, you just follow him until he goes into a corner and then seal him off with mines
MSmits: works 1% of the time.... guaranteed
Scarfield: 60% of the time, it works every time
MSmits: yeah :)
wlesavo: easiest top 1 of my life
MSmits: gj
wlesavo: where is your top 1 now pb4 https://imgur.com/o7bD317
eulerscheZahl: top10 \o/
wlesavo: solid lead by 5 points
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl still #2 in C# though :wink:
Nerchio: i need to learn more alghorithms haha
Nerchio: dont know whats minmax or beamsearch
MSmits: beamsearch is easy to understand. You just take a bunch of states, then make new states from them by applying moves. If you have more than a certain amount (the BeamWidth) then you sort by score and only keep the best x = beamwidth number of states
MSmits: that way you can get very deep
Nerchio: ok sounds simple
MSmits: minimax is also not very hard. You can find much info about it
Nerchio: and a sim that some people were talking about is a simulation of the future yeah?
Nerchio: xD
MSmits: ab pruning is a bit harder to grasp, but only a few lines extra code
Scarfield: MiniMax is basicly looking through possible choices/actions, simulate them to some depth, eval resulting state, choose current action to minimize opponents maximum score
MSmits: sim is a simulation of the future yes
MSmits: a simulation can be partial (a part of the game) or full (the full game referee)
Nerchio: so minimax and beamsearch sounds like a sim then
MSmits: they use simulations yes
MSmits: the difference is in which states to keep or which states to consider best
MSmits: also minimax is adversarial
MSmits: you do a move, opponent does a move
MSmits: beamsearch is mostly just you
Nerchio: i can probably evaluate future with if statements as well :D
MSmits: in many games that won't be enough
MSmits: especially simple board games
Nerchio: yeah this is the first one i played so i need different environment to go out of this 'comfort' zone
Nerchio: i mean different challenges
MSmits: yeah, just do the simples possible game to simulate and practice searches
MSmits: its fun
Nagatwin: wlesavo which multi is this ?
MSmits: ooc contribution
MSmits: some old bots in there
MSmits: wlesavo is enjoying beating the crap out of them
Nagatwin: xan't find haha
MSmits: it was linked in the pm thread
Nagatwin: oh thx
cegprakash: hey eulerscheZahl
cegprakash: There could have been a wood3 league with 3 lives with only MOVE and SURFACE commands.
cegprakash: can u add this league in the multi?
MSmits: thats not going to happen I think
MSmits: current bots will be automatically submitted
Scarfield: Nerchio i can recommend Bandas or Breakthrough, they are fairly easy to simulate, and you can use bitboards fairly easily as well :)
MSmits: if you're going to make changes they would all be broken
MSmits: Scarfield is right, they are great games to try for this
Magus: Nerchio was the name of a Starcraft 2 PGM i liked. But i assume you are not that Nerchio :D
cegprakash: but I felt wood2 was hard in this contest
Nerchio: ;)
cegprakash: taking too much time
MSmits: yes the woods were hard\
cegprakash: Awood3 league with 3 lives with only MOVE and SURFACE commands could have made it easier
cegprakash: with boss using just SURFACE often
cegprakash: to kill himself
MSmits: yep, it's really a good idea cegprakash
MSmits: but too late :(
struct: Magus he is
Magus: Prove it !
Scarfield: for MiniMax this video explains it really well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp3VMe0Jpf8&
Nerchio: i will watch thanks!
Scarfield: np :)
struct: Magus I could have taken a screenshot but I didnt
Scarfield: will look forward to you beating me with other algorithms xD
struct: but he typed on thibpat chat on twitch
struct: with Nerchio account
Nerchio: if anything i can beat you with time spend on programming lol
struct: So I guess there is that
Nerchio: not sure if algos would be enough Scarfield xd
Magus: i doubt you can beat me at time spend on programming :o
Nerchio: i mean during a challenge
Magus: Oh, probably
Nerchio: for this i spend probably 80 hours writing if statements
Magus: But if you really are Nerchio, it's kind of fun encoutering you here ... :D
MSmits: Nerchio if you really like contests with lots of heuristics, please try code a la mode. No search required
MSmits: people used hundreds of ifs
Nerchio: idk I think i will try to learn something new maybe
struct: Yavalath
MSmits: i used a beamsearch, but most above me did not search at all
Nerchio: i went through a list looks like a lot of fun multis so have stuff to do
MSmits: yeah, probably better to learn searches
MSmits: I only did half of them myself
struct: Yavalath will probably make you learn some new stuff
struct: MSmits needs a challenge tehre
Astrobytes: struct you're such a Yavangelist
MSmits: dont do yavalath Nerchio... thats a more expert version of those boardgames I talked about. Complex sim and not easy to write a search either
MSmits: but sure, I welcome more players on that board :)
Nerchio: haha
Nerchio: leader!
Nerchio: master of beamsearch?
MSmits: no this is not beamsearch
MSmits: on yavalath i do mcts
MSmits: but not a basic version, very heavily modified
MSmits: uttt is the most popular board game
MSmits: if you want to have an easy simulated game
MSmits: it starts with regular tic tac toe up to bronze
eulerscheZahl: but UTTT is hard to follow as a human
eulerscheZahl: you don't see if you are winning or losing until the game is over
MSmits: yeah, i only recently felt I started getting the hang of some easy heuristics a human can use
Nerchio: idk i dont like tic tac toe i will stick to some other stuff :D
ThomasNicoullaud: thx eulerscheZahl, your stats just showed me that i forgot to add SILENCE 0 in my playlist -_-
Illedan: :D
eulerscheZahl: :D
Nerchio: but yea YAVALATH doesnt look like it would be easy to beat with if statements :p
ThomasNicoullaud: there is a realy big impact SILENCE 0 ?
wlesavo: its only big if your estimation of silence is bad
Nerchio: 95,9% of 0 silence by me
wlesavo: at least i think so
Nerchio: shame on me :(
ThomasNicoullaud: i track it, but not play it in my minmax
MSmits: ahh I am happy, 82% silence 0. Seems like I succeeded throwing some other silences in there at the last moment :)
MSmits: coded it at 2 am last night
pde-bakk: who is w7
wlesavo: seing how many people using more advanced stuff then simple heuristics i am surprised by making yop20
MSmits: I am most surprised by you doing it in python
MSmits: there's some calculation heavy stuff in this game
MSmits: thats probably the stuff you had to leave out
eulerscheZahl: in other games you wouldn't stand a chance without a proper search
sometimes it's hard to tell before, if a search is mandatory
eulerscheZahl: but here there are lots of uncertainties (fog of war) that make it hard to search
Nerchio: i would consider myself getting to legend with brute force
ThomasNicoullaud: wlesavo, lot of people hate you in top gold :D
Nerchio: got some small stuff right, got a lot of stuff wrong :p
MSmits: lol ThomasNicoullaud
wlesavo: i do most of calculations with a treshold, i.e. if there are less candidates, or mines, or whatever needed
eulerscheZahl: people from FR chat?
MSmits: I have myself considered a few times writing some disparaging comments when wlesavo, during my fight to pass gold boss :P
MSmits: when wlesavo was on :P
wlesavo: oh, i forgot to appologize for the random boss in PM
MSmits: ah that isnt even what bothered me. Just that it was damn strong
darkhorse64: tbh, I never beat wlesavo bot. I was pushed
MSmits: but it is supposed to be
eulerscheZahl: i was pushed too
MSmits: oh, I had a 58% winrate vs it, but I did poorly against other players
ThomasNicoullaud: when i'm entering legend, have only 30/70 on gold boss :s shame on me
MSmits: so i had to chain-spam submits
wlesavo: well it was top 10 at a time with suboptimal parameters
ThomasNicoullaud: this boss was insane
eulerscheZahl: i had a winrate around 80% vs the boss, still pushed
MSmits: nice
MSmits: you didnt spam enough then euler
eulerscheZahl: i didn't have to
eulerscheZahl: submit ended, then i waited 5min
MSmits: ah, then it was just a very strong submit
eulerscheZahl: i don't know
Illedan: I came along and wrecked the boss :P
MSmits: hey... i figured you got into legend from the start btw
MSmits: didnt know you were left behind
eulerscheZahl: not as hard as i did Illedan
eulerscheZahl: promoted about 2h after legend opening
MSmits: ah ok. For me it was 1 week :)
wlesavo: dbdr also was left behind i believe
eulerscheZahl: and then you bypassed me
ThomasNicoullaud: for me it was REALY one week
MSmits: not significantly, but yeah, seems you were right once again
ThomasNicoullaud: depressing
MSmits: but you made it
MSmits: could be much worse
ThomasNicoullaud: MSmits you stated late ?
MSmits: no, i took several long breaks
MSmits: two breaks of at least a week long
VincentBab: #22, so sad :(
but that contest was no nice :)
thanks to the authors !
ThomasNicoullaud: :thumbsup:
eulerscheZahl: you have another chance very soon
MSmits: yeah!
Scarfield: yea big thanks :)
Skril: Yes, thanks for this very entertaining contest :-)
and gg to all
Illedan: gg :)
Illedan: VincentBab, you can try more:
https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8396250c21e3f21e3bd77a4e567e27e40c488e
And later today as a real multi again
eulerscheZahl: or try another game if you played OOC too much recently
wlesavo: hehe still first after illedan updated his bot
Illedan: Ok, I'll submit something better than your thingy ^^
eulerscheZahl: that's an area to test the game, not the bots. there aren't enough battles to tell anything
wlesavo: it ok, i already made my screenshoots
eulerscheZahl: and you shared it on the forum
eulerscheZahl: as an imgur link instead of as an image directly
Illedan: :D
AntiSquid: when does it go live?
eulerscheZahl: today
AntiSquid: ya time @_@
VincentBab: Haha nice Illedan, I surely will
But i'm a bit disapointed for the t-shirt :P
eulerscheZahl: when Saiksy is ready
Illedan: Soon a new contest ;)
AntiSquid: Automaton2000's body is ready
Automaton2000: yeah i do the same.
wlesavo: AntiSquid are you gonna try it today?
AntiSquid: try what?
wlesavo: multi
AntiSquid: ah ooc no
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl Illedan the best thing I liked about this contest is that there is actually no real meta
cegprakash: very balanced game I felt
cegprakash: lot of strat to counter lot of strats
cegprakash: no skills are OP
eulerscheZahl: meta = be passive and hide your location
wlesavo: true
cegprakash: not really
wlesavo: early battles were quite random
cegprakash: mining is not passive
ZarthaxX: hello
cegprakash: u did mining
struct: ofc mining is passive
cegprakash: if mining is passive, my entire bot is passive
struct: trigger is noit
struct: not{
eulerscheZahl: but you can add a few silence actions after your mine placement to make it more passive
cegprakash: well if u mine ofc u will write trigger code
cegprakash: that's not passive
eulerscheZahl: not really passive. but less revealing regarding your own position
wlesavo: less forcing a direct fight
cegprakash: well that's because it's a turn based game
eulerscheZahl: attack the opponent without risking a blue eye
cegprakash: whoever gets closer can git hit first
cegprakash: and that's bad
cegprakash: there is nearly no comeback from that
iFightLegends: In the leaderboard what does the number in the "Score"-column mean?
eulerscheZahl: it shows your score
eulerscheZahl: mu-sigma i think
cegprakash: it's like your win rate points iFightLegends
iFightLegends: Oh I just see when I hove over it, it says True Skill system, guess I gotta google that then
wlesavo: cegprakash i often lose having a health advantage against top players
cegprakash: finisher blow? wlesavo?
wlesavo: not really, bad fighting
cegprakash: yeah need combos for sure
wlesavo: especially at the time i had bad charging oreder
wlesavo: order
wlesavo: i.e. move carging smth, then torpedoing
wlesavo: after i fixed that it was better but still
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl is it possible to estimate for what period of time stats were collected?
eulerscheZahl: you mean my huge table?
wlesavo: i mean last one with 42k replays
ZarthaxX: gz wlesavo
eulerscheZahl: i started at 10am today
the stats shown are only the most recent arena version
eulerscheZahl: some opponents are outdated version though
eulerscheZahl: so full final rerun + last battles from submit to reach the finals
wlesavo: ZarthaxX thx :slight_smile:
eulerscheZahl: if i find multiple version of your bot (last battles of your opponents), i only show the most recent
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl so it does include final rerun?
eulerscheZahl: of course
eulerscheZahl: it's a mess but it's your mess now:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/335e87cd-46be-4eb9-90ef-1716c2a4a8ea
eulerscheZahl: i would share the replays too but 4.9GB is quite a lot
wlesavo: wow, thx
ThomasNicoullaud: eulerscheZahl have you a developer team with you for do challenge, Visual board App and, statistics App ? Do you sleep 1h by night ? What is your secret ? :D
eulerscheZahl: the replay animation was quite simple actually. i usually do that for a contest
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/31320893-1012-471e-86e7-c1ba4c776b6e
eulerscheZahl: just about 40 lines
eulerscheZahl: the stats took a little longer (had to look up how charts work, not part of my daily coding job)
eulerscheZahl: but for a 1 month contest one can invest some time in tools
Zenoscave: 3rd in my language!
Zenoscave: I'm counting this a success
ThomasNicoullaud: :thumbsup: eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: i might even write something about tooling as i good setup can help a lot (local debugging)
eulerscheZahl: congrats Zenoscave
and thanks for letting me keep 2nd at least
Zenoscave: :+1:
Zenoscave: I had no chance. I lost too many in the mine field and combat
wlesavo: that would be really interesting to read
ThomasNicoullaud: +1
eulerscheZahl: on tech.io we can define our own docker containers. so i consider some python with requests lib to pull data (not sure if we get internet access, would have to try)
Zenoscave: if you make a docker container on tech.io can we pull the container or is it private ?
eulerscheZahl: i could include the docker container (i would just take an existing one) to use some libraries
Zenoscave: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: like requests which isn't available in the default python version of tech.io
Zenoscave: right
eulerscheZahl: so i think about sharing some code snippets that you can modify on the tech.io website for testing
Zenoscave: Did anyone get CP from this contest? I'm at 0/10000 right now
eulerscheZahl: update once a day
eulerscheZahl: not sure if this night already or later
Zenoscave: ah I forgot
ZarthaxX: recalc started with our current position right?
eulerscheZahl: yes
blasterpoard: 1500 word PM is up
eulerscheZahl: i'll give it a like first and read it later then
ZarthaxX: great blasterpoard
eulerscheZahl: thanks for the effort, i'll read it for sure
blasterpoard: some people pinged me saying they wanted to read it, so enjoy
Uljahn: thx
cegprakash: https://forum.codingame.com/t/ocean-of-code-feedback-strategies/175885/23?u=cegprakash
cegprakash: my post mortem
cegprakash: the most awaited by everyone
eulerscheZahl: thanks humble cegprakash
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl I need to start using animations to get more hearts
eulerscheZahl: and tables with charts
cegprakash: how to make animations like you made
cegprakash: you build a tool and record video and convert to gif?
eulerscheZahl: i do that for most of my contest bots but don't always share it
eulerscheZahl: i generate a .png for each single frame
eulerscheZahl: then i use imagemagick:
convert *.png replay.gif
eulerscheZahl: from the command line
cegprakash: oh
cegprakash: nice
wlesavo: blasterpoard thx
wlesavo: blasterpoard some things looks like a total overkill but im facinated by this. Is offensive mine planting a heuristic or the result of fighting simulation in some way?
blasterpoard: wlesavo https://www.codingame.com/replay/448843760
blasterpoard: this is offensive mine planting
wlesavo: no i remember you sharing the replays of it
blasterpoard: simulation
blasterpoard: "simulation"
wlesavo: wow
wlesavo: nice
blasterpoard: depth 1
blasterpoard: or 2,if you count my turn and opponent's turn as 2 turns
wlesavo: but is it a specific simulation for this case or included in major one?
blasterpoard: it's just keeping the mine when I think I'll encounter the enemy within 3 turns
blasterpoard: and using it when I'm close
blasterpoard: and then taking it into account in eval
wlesavo: i see
blasterpoard: didn't really work (I think), because at the beginning of the fight, opponent just silenced anyway
blasterpoard: but it might be a good way to punish using silence excessively
blasterpoard: just combo the opponent in 3 turns when he finally runs out of squares
wolf-555: can search users here by uni?
wolf-555: can i*
icecream17: All my ooc contest code history is lost! How do I get my wood code back?
MSmits: do we get submitted to wood?
icecream17: no, i'm just doing the multi demo for now
MSmits: ah
icecream17: Oh, in the demo you can go forward leagues? Wow'
MSmits: I'm just wondering, because in earlier contests we had to keep our wood code, or turn off parts of our bronze + code to get through wood
MSmits: (when it was submitted as a multi)
icecream17: I better prepare.... hopefully i'll be one of the first to get to bronze
MSmits: doesnt matter really, if you're the first. Also your code gets submitted automaticall
icecream17: Really? Oh.
MSmits: I just am not sure if they make us go up through wood, or if we just appear in the league that we reached during contest
darkhorse64: you just appear
darkhorse64: but no xp
MSmits: aww
MSmits: I'll take the cp :)
darkhorse64: Another leap in thee leaderboard
MSmits: yeah
icecream17: Hey, look! https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/ocean-of-code
wlesavo: wow
icecream17: what? how? (...)
wlesavo: smth went wrong
icecream17: I got it from searching ocean of code, but I guess deleted now... (super fast)
ZarthaxX: wait so darkhorse64 that way if you didnt do contest u get the same xp for getting to legend as the ones that did the contest?
ZarthaxX: no disadvantage of xp
wlesavo: oh, its working in ide https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/ocean-of-code
aCat: whoh ;]
aCat: so multi is on the way ;-)
darkhorse64: You are absolutely right and I think it's fairere this way
darkhorse64: *fairer*
icecream17: Hmm... what happens if I submit? It says "no battles" so i'm assuming the leaderboard is more variable than ever.
aCat: damn, I really was wishing for the double xp :(
aCat: but it's fairer definitely
darkhorse64: My point is that it used to be different
icecream17: Maybe I can come up with an easter egg. If a user finds it, they get xp. If they tell anyone, they lose 10x the xp.
Nerchio: oh its up already? :D
icecream17: jmRMkpqm0hwFAZKVdOnhYhrA1wMZKwTptmwk7YKIInA=
icecream17: (random encrpyter online)
icecream17: I don't have any ideas yet.... maybe something to do with....
aCat: but I like this part of not thinking what to cut to make code feasible for wood leagues ;p
icecream17: =O I got an amazing idea! Too bad I don't know how to do it...
icecream17: How much XP should the user earn for the easter egg? 1? 1000?
icecream17: I pressed submit in the ide. But i'm only playing against the boss
icecream17: Oh no! I lost 3 times in a row and i'm now 429th
icecream17: Oh nevermind. The first one was a tie.
icecream17: First 10 games is 1 tie and 4 wins against the boss.
icecream17: Oops. I forgot it was Monday. I have to do at-home-learning
icecream17: 5th place! If I can beat the boss before anyone else submits....
icecream17: (unlikely)
metahom: thats an odd submit
metahom: i play only Nerchio
icecream17: Nice.
Nerchio: i submited as well before
Nerchio: i guess thats how it works xd
icecream17: which league?
metahom: like one of us pays other to make dummy submit and gets #1 ))
Nerchio: it looks like i got XP as well weird
icecream17: If someone submits, I hope that person loses against me a lot but wins against the boss a lot.
icecream17: The boss always silence 0. So maybe.....
Nerchio: wanted to try playing ghost in a cell but the window that shows the game is bugged meh :p
ZarthaxX: u got xp? wot
Nerchio: im not sure if i did because i dont know how much i had before
Nerchio: but it spammed achievements for me with xp
icecream17: I'm playing against random people now! What happenned?
Astrobytes: has OOC reappeared in the multi section?
Nerchio: y
ZarthaxX: weird..
wlesavo: Nerchio it is probably different contest related achievments
metahom: Nerchio, I resubmitted and its working well
icecream17: Wow. I win against the top ten? That's surprising. I always lose against bottom 100.
Nerchio: idk in chrome its bugged out
Nerchio: maybe another reason to use firefox
Nerchio: it works well there :)
metahom: I use chrome too
wlesavo: Astrobytes weirdly enough only in the ide
Nerchio: game window resizes for me and i see only a corner of the map :p
Nerchio: btw
Astrobytes: wlesavo that'll be the reason the submissions are weird I guess
Nerchio: you can't change class name right?
Nerchio: it will always look for Player -> main
wlesavo: Astrobytes for sure, submits on your own risk i guess
Astrobytes: I think I'll wait
MSmits: whats going on guys
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/ocean-of-code
Astrobytes: I mean, you can't even access the full leaderboard
MSmits: I think they improved it
Astrobytes: MSmits OOC appeared in the multi section, then disappeared, yet still available via that link
MSmits: because
MSmits: I'm 24 now :)
Astrobytes: Hence I don't believe it's officially live yet
wlesavo: yeah, but i got pushed to
MSmits: nerchio pushing
wlesavo: still funny
MSmits: and duke nukem
MSmits: and polar bear
wlesavo: having the history of submits is great though
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: not so much if you discover a bug in it
MSmits: That's one reason I dont go back to old contests
Astrobytes: from discord: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a7c3b066-8bfe-42b4-a769-8055f7c7c6ad
wlesavo: auto manual transfer lol
vbplaya: Can someone answer something for me? In the attached replay, I noticed that "lordgun" has some status messages that appear under his picture. Is this something he programmed in and if so, how do I do that (for future contests)? https://www.codingame.com/replay/453190392
Nerchio: add MSG
Nerchio: to your bot
Astrobytes: vbplaya it's the MSG command
Nerchio: its for this contest specific ;P
vbplaya: ok ... so maybe cant' do for the one coming up soon.
wlesavo: some other have that too
Nerchio: move W torpedo | MSG You ded
vbplaya: OH, thanks Nerchio.
Nerchio: we dont know if we will be able to do this in next contest yet
vbplaya: This was my first contest, and I really enjoyed it. Gonna do this one coming up too.
vbplaya: Are you one of the designers of these contests Nerchio?
Nerchio: haha
Nerchio: absolutely not
Nerchio: this was also my first challenge
vbplaya: Ok, sorry, from your response I thought you might be
Nerchio: yea i mean
Nerchio: we as 'players' dont know if msg-style action will be available :p
vbplaya: Well, thanks for your response. How did you do in this one?
Nerchio: depends who you ask ;)
Nerchio: i was ~45 in legend or something around that
Nerchio: satisfied and disappointed at the same time
vbplaya: Well, just being in legend is awesome (IMO)
Nerchio: agreed
Nerchio: but in some ways i wanted to fix my bot but it was to big of a mess to change in the end
MSmits: you're not alone in that
vbplaya: we have very different standards ... I just wanted to be in the top 50% because I missed the first 2 weeks ... and I got to silver and in the top 50% ... so I'm happy about that
Astrobytes: It's back in the multi section
MSmits: cool
Nerchio: i might try ghost in a cell now
Nerchio: :p
vbplaya: ya, I learned a lot about how I will approach this next time.
Astrobytes: Did you also read the PMs in the forum vbplaya?
vbplaya: I also did this entire contest without looking at anyone's video or getting any info from people in the PMs and so forth because I wanted to see how I would do without any other help.
vbplaya: So NO ... I didn't ... next time I will though ... just wanted to see what I came up with on my own.
Astrobytes: No, the post-mortems, the after contest reports
Astrobytes: for OOC
vbplaya: Oh, sorry ... misunderstood you ... what is that ... and how do I look at it?
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-feedback-strategies/175885
[CG]Nick: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/ocean-of-code
vbplaya: Oh, VERY cool Astrobytes ... thanks for pointing me there ... I didn't know about this. it will be very helpful.
Astrobytes: no worries vbplaya, they do that after every contest btw
vbplaya: Good to know ... I've got a lot to learn so this is definitely a useful resource.
MSmits: AntiSquid really did a ML bot??
MSmits: I thought he just suggested that it would be a good idea
Astrobytes: Tried
MSmits: pretty ballsy, hat off to you sir AntiSquid
Astrobytes: He spoke about it, was near end of first week/start of second iirc?
MSmits: yeah but people suggest ML all the time, it's different from actually going ahead with it, especially in a contest
AntiSquid: nothing ballsy imo ... it's just maths
Astrobytes: Everything is 'just maths' ;)
AntiSquid: and it felt like cutting corners if i actually make it work
MSmits: mmh maybe, it's still taking a risk
MSmits: thats what I meant
Astrobytes: Will you try again?
AntiSquid: yes
Astrobytes: Nice, hope you get it working
MSmits: yes that would be cool
AntiSquid: ya me too, i mean i hope to somehow apply ml to all games
MSmits: some games aren't suited though, I know of a few
MSmits: esp some of those nearly solved board games
AntiSquid: not suited for my current knowledge or skill, but imo all suitable
MSmits: I mean... a NN would use coding space that could fit an opening book that will wreck your nn :P
MSmits: it's a weird exception probably
MSmits: uttt is one
MSmits: nn would be awesome for meanmax and such I believe
MSmits: it would make sense of the chaos like nothing else can
MSmits: re curse was working on FB which has a similar engine and setup
MSmits: not sure if that got off the ground fully
Astrobytes: Was still working on it afaik
MSmits: ah ok
wlesavo: AntiSquid wow nice, i hope if you will succeed we will get an update
Nerchio: if not we dont want to hear about it :joy:
wlesavo: somehow this weird submits pushed me a lot, not really pushed me but drugged people around lower
Astrobytes: dragged :D
wlesavo: lol
Astrobytes: It's crush/crash all over again :P
Nerchio: top16 POG
Nerchio: #1 soon!
wlesavo: yeah
Nerchio: i played
Nerchio: 200 games
Nerchio: against amusruskin
wlesavo: lol
Nerchio: 240 actualy
wlesavo: who won
Nerchio: i guess me
Nerchio: since i am top 13 now
Nerchio: xD
eulerscheZahl: what's POG?
Nerchio: PogChamp refers to an emote, a small image used in chats on the video game streaming platform Twitch, used to express shock, surprise, or excitement.
Nerchio: copied from google
eulerscheZahl: ah, thanks :D
eulerscheZahl: i guess i just admitted that i don't use twitch
Nerchio: world spins around faster and faster i can hardly follow some things as well :p
Nerchio: i like to have twitch open on one of the monitors though
Astrobytes: I use it for CG streams and some other stuff sometimes but the emotes fly over my head
JFB: Nerchio - last I checked world (Earth) spin once per 24 hours. ;-)
AntiSquid: there are emotes on twitch you can only see as a premium user
Nerchio: did you guys play ghost in a cell I want to try it now
eulerscheZahl: around the own axis
eulerscheZahl: but once a year it spins around the sun
eulerscheZahl: i did, liked the game
JFB: eulerscheZahl - true
Nerchio: when i look at the concept it feels like it will be hard to go far with if statements :p
eulerscheZahl: you don't need a heavy simulation (will be hard with that huge branching)
eulerscheZahl: but you should do some computations to send the right amount of troops to defend your bases
Nerchio: you are top5 there nice :D
eulerscheZahl: i am? i thought 6th
eulerscheZahl: i guess someone pushed me
Nerchio: y 5
eulerscheZahl: indeed
Nerchio: 184 people in legend haha :p
eulerscheZahl: PED broken with his python2? used to be first
eulerscheZahl: looking at his last battles: definitely broken
Nerchio: python in a calculation game?
eulerscheZahl: it's not that CPU intense
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl that python you shared earlier in a paste. can you share it again?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Zenoscave: thanks
eulerscheZahl: this?
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/56b40da3-4573-4493-aa46-db738b84f8ae
eulerscheZahl: oh it's trimmed
Zenoscave: thats the one
wlesavo: when will cp points arrive?
Zenoscave: pastebin maybe?
Zenoscave: tonight wlesavo
wlesavo: thx
eulerscheZahl: https://pastebin.com/30Ln3PiB
Zenoscave: once a day or so i am told
Zenoscave: ;)
Astrobytes: your replay stats analysis script?
eulerscheZahl: yeah
i do download and analysis in 2 scripts
eulerscheZahl: so a bug in the analyzer won't ruin my downloads and force me to do it again
Zenoscave: smart
Astrobytes: Yeah, sensible
eulerscheZahl: common sense i would say
Zenoscave: Separation of concerns
ThomasNicoullaud: i see that initial position of the final run is really important :(
eulerscheZahl: i did a test at BotG
eulerscheZahl: had a bot ranked around 40
Nerchio: yeah sad my last commit was really weak :(
eulerscheZahl: broke it on purpose (kill switch to play strong in the rerun but poorly before)
eulerscheZahl: climbed from 98 to 73 i think
eulerscheZahl: still far away from my old rank
eulerscheZahl: and that's how i ruined my contest result :D
Astrobytes: You took one for the team
ThomasNicoullaud: at 8h i was 15th ... but lot a of people submit and push me 35th :(
ZarthaxX: wait you are a mod?
ZarthaxX: wat
ThomasNicoullaud: i should submit juste before rerun
eulerscheZahl: for 2 months
Nerchio: it says right there
Nerchio: moderator
Nerchio: ;)
ZarthaxX: i know
ZarthaxX: dont understand why
ZarthaxX: :thinking:
Astrobytes: Tardax strikes again :P
ZarthaxX: lmao
eulerscheZahl: to kick you of course
ThomasNicoullaud: :]
AntiSquid: why the name calling for ZarthaxX though?
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl :D
eulerscheZahl: is that a German-only fairy tale?
grandma, why do you have such big eyes?
Astrobytes: No the 'tard thing came about the other week
eulerscheZahl: why do you have such big ears?
Astrobytes: Little Red Riding Hood
eulerscheZahl: exactly
eulerscheZahl: Rotkäppchen
AntiSquid: why do you have such a big coc grandma?
Astrobytes: Oh ffs
Nerchio: lol
AntiSquid: clash of code i meant, she wasn't playing shortest mode well
Nerchio: so you are trying to apply neural network to coc?
icecream17: What!? I added 10 lines... and won 10 out of the 10 first games in Ooc?
IAmNoob: hi
icecream17: hi
smcbot35: r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-rip
AntiSquid: ban?
AntiSquid: or kick?
MSmits: maybe it's a game map
MSmits: like the start of Onitama
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ff6db9d5-de36-4e6f-b01d-0a492461b923
Astrobytes: lol
icecream17: NN plays clash of code....
MSmits: ?
MSmits: pretty sure there is not a neural network on clash of code
icecream17: Just an idea I had. Probably bad
MSmits: ah, well it's not workable
MSmits: NN are not suitable for creating things out of nothing
MSmits: it can't code for you
YannT: PM posted :)
MSmits: if it could, that would be scary
MSmits: will read YannT
MSmits: seriously, 600 lines of code
MSmits: i know it's kotlin, but...
YannT: yup :)
YannT: 637 exactly ;)
eulerscheZahl: >1400 here
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
MSmits: I ended with 2700 or so
MSmits: much duplicate code I did not have the patience to whittle down
MSmits: like: Oh I need to check for torpedo before and after move? ... copy paste, done
MSmits: possibly i should not have been so lazy with those long breaks :P
icecream17: The while loop in my code is from lines 127 to 369 ......handleOpponent from 444 to 939..........
eulerscheZahl: did you use a single file for that or did you merge multiples MSmits?
MSmits: single file
MSmits: great fun scrolling :P
eulerscheZahl: first time i used a code bundler on CG
icecream17: Multiple files? You can do that?
eulerscheZahl: liked it that way much more on RAIC where you can submit zip files
eulerscheZahl: icecream17 you need a script to paste multiple files into one
MSmits: it's just for when you are working on it icecream17, to work more easily
MSmits: I just minimize most functions and it's doable
MSmits: not great, but doable
icecream17: i'm sorry... but... minimize???
IAmNoob: good game
MSmits: Visual studio
MSmits: you can minimize functions. I expect any good IDE will allow this
icecream17: ?
MSmits: if you use C#, you can even add regions
IAmNoob: we dont need minimize
MSmits: and minimize those
wlesavo: YannT lol feeling bad for wala having to delete spaces
IAmNoob: are u a c#?
MSmits: sometimes, this contest i used c++
eulerscheZahl: ah, minimize = collapse
MSmits: ah right, collapse, sorry
eulerscheZahl: somehow i thought about minifying
IAmNoob: MSmits I am developer in c++
icecream17: still dont understand
MSmits: icecream17, are you on windows
Astrobytes: icecream17 look in the CG IDE
icecream17: chrome
Astrobytes: do you see those arrows
MSmits: yes but on windows right... chrome is a browser
IAmNoob: do you want to come in a game?
eulerscheZahl: Chrome OS
Astrobytes: next to the line numbers
MSmits: oh chrome os
IAmNoob: icecream17 :)
IAmNoob: chrome
MSmits: well, you can minimize your window on chome os too I am guessing
icecream17: OS?
MSmits: i dont think he is on chrome OS :P
eulerscheZahl: nope
Astrobytes: icecream17 the arrows next to the line numbers in the CG browser IDE will collapse functions
AntiSquid: very low level trolling, please stop, IAmNoob
eulerscheZahl: there is a red X at the top right icecream17. when you click it, what do you see behind?
IAmNoob: who want a clash?
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: a red X ??
eulerscheZahl: oh, will he find the way back to CG now?
icecream17: red???
MSmits: i predicted it
eulerscheZahl: no idea, looks different to me
MSmits: just 1 extra questionmark
icecream17: Oh you mean close window?
ZarthaxX: toad troll
icecream17: (no response)
MSmits: icecream17, we just mean, you can make stuff small so you cant see it
MSmits: you can do it with browser windows and you can do it with code
eulerscheZahl: here, no X
https://imgur.com/a/4BiOa1V
i don't know which color it should have
MSmits: so that if you write thousands of lines, it doesnt become untenable
AntiSquid: i don't have a red x what should i do? https://imgur.com/a/AFbjLgJ
icecream17: Woah. The line arrow thing is interesting
eulerscheZahl: but you have an X
IAmNoob: good game
AntiSquid: but since it's not red it looks scary to me
AntiSquid: not gonna touch it
IAmNoob: who wantws a clash?
icecream17: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c280a9ca-03f0-4447-a12d-9df11b60d2fa
AntiSquid: IAmNoob talk to AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: who knows what is that in this contest?
MSmits: :clap:
icecream17: AutomatonNN?
AutomatonNN: ww=wood 1 to drone
IAmNoob: AntiSquid?
Astrobytes: IAmNoob Start a clash, and people will join
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: thx
MSmits: icecream17 didnt you have to do homeschooling ?
MSmits: I'm a teacher, if you're slacking, I will tell your teacher
MSmits: we all know eachother
Astrobytes: Master Smits laying down the law
Astrobytes: Connecting to the Teacher Hivemind
MSmits: exactly
AntiSquid: icecream17 have your teacher fight MSmits, see who is stronger
Nerchio: what are you teaching msmits
Nerchio: biology?
MSmits: ack no
MSmits: physics mostly, but i am transitioning partially to computer science
AntiSquid: bio-physics
MSmits: not at all
Nerchio: too smart for me
MSmits: biology is way harder than physics
IAmNoob: yeah
Astrobytes: No it ain't
Nerchio: i dont know anything about either
IAmNoob: i am a phd physics
IAmNoob: and tried biology too
IAmNoob: and saw that physics is better
MSmits: the smallest unit of life is a cell and it's too complicated to understand
MSmits: the smallest unit in physics is an elementary particle and it's super simple
Astrobytes: By incorporating physics it can help to understand
Astrobytes: *understand the workings of the cell
Astrobytes: The deeper you dig it becomes biochemistry, then just chemistry, then physical chemistry then physics
MSmits: the hard part is to understand how it all fits together
Astrobytes: So much going on in those wee cells. It's magnificent.
YannT: ahhh merging paths!
YannT: why didn't I think of that :(
Astrobytes: "the hard part is to understand how it all fits together" - it's also the fun part!
IAmNoob: yeah
MSmits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzcTgrxMzZk
IAmNoob: and to make a simulation on PC
IAmNoob: to see how it behaives
YannT: I had a reset (kinda like surface) but I didn't want to lower the threshold for that because there's information loss so I instead accept the occasional timeout
Astrobytes: Yeah I know that one MSmits, glad it wasn't another Disney song :P
YannT: the merging idea would've allowed me to have a lower threshold and not time out!
MSmits: lol
AntiSquid: BlitzProg why 4096 possibilities? i don't understand
MSmits: nagatwin shared earlier that he also got rid of duplicates
MSmits: you can do that before merging
YannT: I did that
MSmits: I just merged but didnt worry about duplicates
YannT: there's never any
Astrobytes: I thought Naga would have done a pm
YannT: I would simulate opponent surface and then depublicate, keeping only one for each position
eulerscheZahl: just 7 timeouts YannT, not too bad
MSmits: it surprised me i got so many crashes in your statistics
MSmits: didnt seem like that when i was testing
MSmits: out of how many games was this?
MSmits: oh
MSmits: this is not just the recalc?
YannT: I usually had about 2% timeouts, but I removed all debugging for the final submit so that probably helped
YannT: but when I say 2%, I mean vs. top5, vs. you it was probably a lot more than that
MSmits: 34 out of 1151 matches
MSmits: oh yeah
MSmits: vs me you had a ton
MSmits: If it was just me and you on the leaderboard I'm not even sure you would still be above me
YannT: in the end I doubt that had any real impact, I blame my horrible pathing choice for not getting top10 :p
YannT: but the merging idea would've been nice
YannT: I just didn't think of that
eulerscheZahl: smits killed me. not with violence but with silence
YannT: so I decided to live with a higher threshold and some timeouts instead
MSmits: :P
MSmits: is this what happened in the recalc euler?
MSmits: too close to me on the board?
eulerscheZahl: nah, just a too high rank before the recalc
MSmits: ah ok, i figured you got too many games vs me and dropped from the timeouts
eulerscheZahl: possible
MSmits: your stats say i silenced exactly twice as much as you
eulerscheZahl: but my winrate vs you isn't an outliner
MSmits: and in the top 25 there was only 1 person who did more silence than me, slightly
MSmits: daaskare
eulerscheZahl: but you crashed a lot too
IAmNoob: what is the clan GC?
MSmits: well 3%
MSmits: not too bad
IAmNoob: CG*
MSmits: i was wondering though, your stats, from which point did you take them?
Astrobytes: It means Codingame staff IAmNoob
MSmits: is it just recalc?
IAmNoob: thx
eulerscheZahl: i started at 10am
MSmits: or several days?
MSmits: oh
eulerscheZahl: so recalc + directly before
MSmits: ok then its right i guess
eulerscheZahl: but if you have multiple versions in my history, i only consider the latest
MSmits: i fixed some errors with timeouts yesterday
eulerscheZahl: but it includes your stats vs outdated opponents
eulerscheZahl: you can see that if you analyze the script i shared a little ealier ;)
MSmits: aha
MSmits: 2 guys in all of your stats that did more silence. I guess that explained why i used so few mines
MSmits: I was really conservative with placement, in my games you see them covering the map far apart
MSmits: i did prioritize mines over silence, but if my bot is not allowed to place very often, i still silence a lot
eulerscheZahl: 61%
MSmits: this would have been a helpful tool during contest as well
MSmits: i never knew i was that silency
wlesavo: based on just that stats i guess we can improve quite a bit
YannT: I told you :p
MSmits: funny how it says "other"
eulerscheZahl: and bots are surprisingly different even at higher ranks
eulerscheZahl: there isn't that one way
YannT: I literally told you you silenced a lot and that was bad because it means you lose a lot of time charging it back up ;)
MSmits: when?
MSmits: my bot changed a bit
MSmits: I think it got less silency, but apparently not that much less
MSmits: ah well, it helped me anyways.
MSmits: timing people out :P
YannT: when we were discussing my timeouts and I explained why I didn't consider it much of an issue ;)
YannT: chain silence don't win
MSmits: ah yes
MSmits: but thats not what i do
MSmits: check my mine damage, its still a lot
MSmits: but i do it with way fewer mines
MSmits: bout the same as yours i think
MSmits: as far as you can compare us... because we dont face the same opponent
YannT: well to be fair I played against bots that go into mines a lot less than lower down the ladder ;)
MSmits: anyway, gotta go walk the dog, thanks for the stats eulerscheZahl, it's really cool
MSmits: YannT yeah thats true
Rprades: hi, quick question. I finished 2 puzzles but i did not get the exp. Is there any problem? Or what am I missing? thanks!
eulerscheZahl: how could i miss the fact that you have a dog?
MSmits: i dunno, talked about her before
AntiSquid: he keeps mentioning his dog
MSmits: she's crazy and attacks people and other animals
MSmits: we keep her on a short leash
Astrobytes: You own a hellhound?
MSmits: anyway, i'll have stories another time, gotta go (yes she thinks she is a hellhound, but shes just a little dog)
AntiSquid: hey Rprades go here and click on your level, see what it says, if xp is really missing https://www.codingame.com/home
MSmits: ttyl
Astrobytes: Aha, small dog syndrome
Astrobytes: ttyl
wlesavo: YannT i feel like if you would take my path estimation it would make quite a good bot actually
YannT: it would be really easy to replace my crap scoring for position value with something else too :)
YannT: pathing really was my anchor, I dunno why I didn't feel like going with something else before it was too late, I kinda got tunnel vision on this :p
icecream17: ok im back
icecream17: also, about the teacher thing, i have 7 classes.
wlesavo: but eval part looks quite good, maybe ill try to implement something similar
YannT: it's really what got me to where I am tbh
Kukiss: Hi all
wlesavo: it takes a specific way of thinking which i dont have yet but want to practice
YannT: other than that my tracking is good, but as good as everybody elese's, and my pathing is clearly subpar
Kukiss: I don't know if any1 asked it already wlesavo, but is there maybe any post mortem coming?
I am really curious how you managed the data to be competitive using Python..
wlesavo: YannT opposite for me, it seems that i got carried by pathing
YannT: I would very accurately estimate mine positions etc, but only 4 tiles around my position at end of turn
YannT: and that was clearly not enough
wlesavo: Kukiss there is one already in the forum
wlesavo: so you didnt have whole damage map?
YannT: I did
YannT: but I only analyzed 4 moves deep
wlesavo: oh i read wrong
YannT: when my bot had to "take a turn" (i.e go into one sea or another with no possibility of going back other than surface), and one choice would lead it to a minefield and death
Kukiss: oh, I did not notice. Thanks
YannT: if it was more than 5 tiles away it wouldn't see
YannT: it would pick based on "well there's no mines around and there more space so I'mma go there"
YannT: no notion of "yeah, but there's mines you can't avoid just 5 turns later"
YannT: I read in one guy's PM about giving more weight to already visited tiles
YannT: probably shouldn't have done that
YannT: although it would've compounded the "my bot doesn't handle surface loops very well either" problem
wlesavo: i think random path works the same in the close region, but also accounts for floodfill to the length it can reach and cummulative damage is helpful to estimate if you wanna surface already
YannT: yeah but you're gonna force more surface on yourself (or choose to go into mines) when you don't necessarily have to is what I'm saying
YannT: if there's 100 tiles on one side and 101 tiles on the other +50 mines but there's a few tiles away, it's gonna go towards mine and eat a surface when it gets close to them
wlesavo: not what i meant, if you have valid path of sertain length you doont need the actuall flood fill, max length is reached, so thats enough already, then just estimate damage on path by summing up with a discount
YannT: oh yeah
YannT: basically any other path evaluation is probably better than what I've got
icecream17: ooh. back to the code
MichaelPu: you could add a discount for mined tiles in the floodfill
YannT: I tried that but performance was horrible
YannT: but I thought about it after there were ways to implement it in such a way that the performance would be acceptable
YannT: was too late tho :)
eulerscheZahl: as we talked about kawano's blog yesterday: val growth streaming (recording from earlier the day) https://twitcasting.tv/valgrowth/show/
AntiSquid: woo
AntiSquid: and they have their chat
zurakin: yoo has anyone completed the reverse engineering puzzle?
**zurakin hi
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/42Network/status/1250031368588996610
oh, that contest is live right now
zurakin: live?
AntiSquid: so we can't join?
eulerscheZahl: no idea what the URL is
AntiSquid: "The challenge is only accessible to 42 students." from twitter :D
AntiSquid: VIP only rofl
MSmits: actually it's not 42
MSmits: the network is called 42
MSmits: and they have many more students
AntiSquid: oh ok
Astrobytes: Hm, Ionly know Network 23
MSmits: maybe 42network is studying the question to the answer to life the universe and everything
Nerchio: yeah i read somewhere that there is 2 private contests going on right now or something
MSmits: thats how cg makes money to keep going
MSmits: sometimes those company sponsored contests are open to all
MSmits: they never give you codingpoint ranking btw
MSmits: but you do get xp
AntiSquid: maybe just the meaning of life during university years :p
eulerscheZahl: who cares, we want tshirts
MSmits: ah yes, I forgot your clothing situation
AntiSquid: but MSmits it's free for schools i think
MSmits: ah ok
AntiSquid: maybe they don't want the students wrecked
MSmits: makes sense
Nerchio: haha lol
Astrobytes: I liked the days we could hijack semi-private contests
MSmits: euler finds the secret links
Astrobytes: *used to
Astrobytes: But they removed them from the page source iirc
MSmits: probably best
Astrobytes: For them perhaps, what about us?! :P
MSmits: i mean if we're not supposed to wreck the students we shouldnt :P
MSmits: we got plenty to do :)
AntiSquid: nerchio is a student though, he could still wreck them maybe? nerchio can you join it?
Nerchio: idk i dont think so
reCurse: Since when are we not supposed to wreck students
reCurse: How else will they learn
AntiSquid: best life lesson
Nerchio: when you click join it makes you join a campus ;p
MSmits: ahh, you opened my eyes reCurse, now I see what i have been doing wrong in my job :P
MSmits: it needs more wrecking
AntiSquid: organize cg contest at your school MSmits
Nerchio: there is a guy in C# in top3 of that contest
MSmits: it's a good idea, but we only just got started with our CS curriculum
Nerchio: so yeah
MSmits: my colleague started teaching them java in 4th year and they have 2 more years of coding after
eulerscheZahl: leaderboard link?
Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/42-coding-challenge/leaderboard/global
eulerscheZahl: wow, lots of players
MSmits: definitely more than 42
Nerchio: if you had an email from one of those cities/campuses
Nerchio: i think you could join
AntiSquid: Kim Jong Un is last place :/
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/42-coding-challenge
MSmits: ends tomorrow
Nerchio: yea i mean i wrote 42 network cg in google and it came up
Nerchio: wasnt that hard to find lol
MSmits: recurse, quick, dump your NN on there
ZarthaxX: he would crush them all
ZarthaxX: LOL
AntiSquid: wait it's until 21st April?
YannT: MSmits: actually CG mostly makes money by providing recruitment tests
MSmits: oh ok
AntiSquid: it's different from the actual game MSmits ZarthaxX
reCurse: You prevented me from completing it MSmits
eulerscheZahl: and a laptop for the winner :o
MSmits: ack... i did not pull you back into uttt did i? Or was it oware?
reCurse: oware
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: well thats fine, it's a NN at least
Nerchio: its the squiditch game
Nerchio: or whatever
AntiSquid: yes
Nerchio: you can watch battles
YannT: it's like a multiple choice test, and also there's code questions that kinda use the same platform as the public game, but then they send you a report of how the candidate did, with snapshots of his code through time and stuff
AntiSquid: Nerchio it's Fantastic Bits
YannT: that's their "pro" offer for earning money :)
Nerchio: yea i know dont want to play that tbh
Nerchio: i stay away from vectors from now
AntiSquid: what you gonna do then
Nerchio: for *
YannT: and it's actually great when you wanna recruit dev, you just send them the link and it makes for a great first screening
Nerchio: i am trying ghost in a cell i think
MSmits: yeah, it gives you something to talk about during the interview also
Nerchio: but so far reading input got me ^.^
Astrobytes: MSmits https://www.codingame.com/work
Astrobytes: Also I think they did a blog article on it
AntiSquid: you got ooc legend, everything else should be easy
MSmits: i remember reading that
MSmits: Astrobytes
MSmits: didnt know most of the money was from recruitment tests
darkhorse64: apart from the spells, it does not look that different
Nerchio: no antisquid i think other challenges look harder lol :p
AntiSquid: you didn't spend a month on them
AntiSquid: did you
MSmits: ow, there's a little yellow bot thingy talking to me on cg work. Did AutomatonNN make a baby?
AutomatonNN: what is the problem?
Nerchio: antisquid i spend 10 days on ooc not a month ;D
MSmits: no no, no problem
AntiSquid: ya what's your problem you racist?
YannT: they even have a visio interview thing as part of their "pro" offering now so you can do remote interviews
AntiSquid: bot hater
MSmits: :P
eulerscheZahl: https://samuraicoding.info/final-viewer/tournament.html
what kind of game is that?
eulerscheZahl: you can click on the nodes to see the matches
AntiSquid: then maybe that's your kind of game nerchio
pb4: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-alternate-ranking/176074
MSmits: ok so you win the contest and then try to find an alternate ranking
MSmits: makes no sense, interesting stuff though :)
eulerscheZahl: "he was expected to win"
you want to trigger the gender nazis, don't you? :D
Nerchio: he won and he wants to see if he also won in all alternate universes
MSmits: mmh i think you calling them nazis might trigger the gender nazis :P
MSmits: oops
MSmits: now i did it too!
Nerchio: i was expecting msmits to be top5 with alternate ranking
Nerchio: but turns out no
MSmits: where am i at
Nerchio: idk i dont see you
eulerscheZahl: and i'm on spot with 28th
Nerchio: around 25
Nerchio: i think
Nerchio: msmits
MSmits: yeah where to see
Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-alternate-ranking/176074
Nerchio: last pic?
YannT: I'm still #11 and no top10 achievement, alternate ranking fake news
cegprakash: ocean of code is back??
cegprakash: yet?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Nerchio: ye
MSmits: I know why trictrac beat zenoscave 88% instead of 53%
YannT: yes
eulerscheZahl: timeouts?
MSmits: yes
MSmits: his both was worse than yours
AntiSquid: yes
MSmits: on timeouting
MSmits: that is
cegprakash: how I'm already on silver
eulerscheZahl: zeno, chucknorris and me collected them, true
cegprakash: auto submit?
eulerscheZahl: final contest leaderboard was copied
cegprakash: and I see all my history from the contest
cegprakash: wow
cegprakash: interesting idea
cegprakash: thanks CG
eulerscheZahl: same happened for UTG / crystal rush already
cegprakash: oh
cegprakash: that's why I was surprised in UTG today
cegprakash: when I opened crystal rush
cegprakash: and saw my bot already on gold
YannT: no more double dipping on XP though
cegprakash: what sad
cegprakash: :(
cegprakash: that was my hope to hold my lead
MSmits: fine with me, xp is not meant for that
YannT: resubmiting my contest bots into the multis and leaving them there was my bread and butter :(
reCurse: People still caring about xp
reCurse: wat
YannT: I deserve to be golden
eulerscheZahl: we can't max-out on XP anymore
AntiSquid: where you doing all the jap AI stuff from eulerscheZahl
AntiSquid: digging *
AntiSquid: where are you digging it from
eulerscheZahl: to whom are you talking?
AntiSquid: you
AntiSquid: you found bunch of links
Astrobytes: You've triggered squid's inner weeb
eulerscheZahl: CG twitch
eulerscheZahl: twitter*
eulerscheZahl: and the in-game leaderboard for games like 4 player CSB
AntiSquid: better a weeb than anglophile in times like these
eulerscheZahl: (that was id=1)
reCurse: twit casting lol
Astrobytes: true AntiSquid
reCurse: Bless their innocence
Astrobytes: "twit casting" just that phrase makes my teeth itch
**MSmits is googling "weeb"
MSmits: oh that again
Astrobytes: What did you google before? Waifu?
AntiSquid: MSmits watch out you have a lot of exposure to that lately and it's contagious
MSmits: nah AntiSquid shared a yt about some guy marrying an anime hologram
AntiSquid: maybe you got the weeb flu already, should self isolate
MSmits: think he was a uber-weeb
Astrobytes: Ah yeah that was it. He married his cuddly toy waifu....
eulerscheZahl: and we have another multiplayer pending
Astrobytes: It's not contagious, it's fairly repellant :P
reCurse: stahp
Astrobytes: Yeah, Conway's
MSmits: tulips and daisies 3p ?
eulerscheZahl: as 2 player
MSmits: whats that?
eulerscheZahl: looks like "game of life and death" from riddles
eulerscheZahl: wait, it's 4 players
MSmits: wow
Astrobytes: 4 players...
MSmits: at some point they will need to make subcategories for multis
AntiSquid: hey MSmits change avatar https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/aa/f7/4caaf7c49df86fbaef6f9019d9cb4b9a.jpg
Astrobytes: You have some kind of avatar fixation squiddy?
AntiSquid: no
icecream17: =) don't know why that was...
MSmits: he's just a weeb for physics professor anime
AntiSquid: just offering MSmits an anime alternative
Astrobytes: Always telling people to get an avatar or recommending one
MSmits: i like the pic AntiSquid, but its not good for small size
AntiSquid: oh i have a fixation for avatarless folks i guess
Astrobytes: Admittedly that's quite a decent one
AntiSquid: see Astrobytes? he likes it
Astrobytes: So do I!
Astrobytes: Just use the head MSmits
AntiSquid: ya looks funny, hair waving
AntiSquid: you can crop when you upload
MSmits: meh I am too attached to my current avatar
MSmits: It looks more like me than your pic
MSmits: more glasses, less hair :P
Astrobytes: I have never known any physics professor with hair
MSmits: mmh my colleagues have hair mostly
MSmits: on their head even
Astrobytes: Yeah? REmarkable
Astrobytes: I find biologists have the most hair
Astrobytes: on their heads
MSmits: sure, they know how it grows
AntiSquid: like where else would you see their hair growng from MSmits
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: i don't know AntiSquid, I just hypothesized it
AntiSquid: become an experimental physicist
MSmits: hah I am very far from that
MSmits: in my physics group, I am always the theory guy, we have another physicist that is great at experimental stuff
Astrobytes: Does he have hair?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: he's older than me and has more hair
Astrobytes: Ergo, theoretical physics causes baldness
AntiSquid: ok question, why isn't tesla more popular
MSmits: think maybe you did some p-hacking there
MSmits: nothing wrong with tesla
Astrobytes: :D
wlesavo: i know many physicists with hair, some of them teaching
MSmits: glad you're butting in on this very mature subject also wlesavo :P
reCurse: Rumors say MSmits switched to IT to prevent losing hair
MSmits: my IT colleague does also have more hair...
Astrobytes: Case closed
AntiSquid: but einstein had more hair than your profile picture
MSmits: well i never said that my profile pic was Einstein
MSmits: that is your assumption
AntiSquid: who does it represent ? :/
MSmits: me
AntiSquid: you bleached your hair?
MSmits: no, it's symbolic
Astrobytes: Do you have a 'tache like that tho?
MSmits: nah that's also symbolic
AntiSquid: blue top ?
Astrobytes: Symbolic of what, exactly?
AntiSquid: his stando
MSmits: what's a stando?
Astrobytes: stando?
MSmits: it's not anime related again is it?
AntiSquid: google it MSmits
reCurse: It is
Astrobytes: The lockdown is pushing squido into full weeb
AntiSquid: obviously your avatar is performing the battle stance
MSmits: ahh ok sure, stando works
reCurse: That doesn't look like a stando at all though
MSmits: maybe that's the idea
MSmits: it's failed stando
MSmits: reCurse, you arent still working on oware are you?
reCurse: No
Astrobytes: Stop swearing MSmits
MSmits: what is your project now, if you want to share?
reCurse: No project
MSmits: no multi, no nn etc.?
reCurse: No
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: busy with work then?
Astrobytes: Just gaming or life stuff?
darkhorse64: MSmits: come rekt karliso on Onitama
MSmits: or right, reCurse still games
MSmits: darkhorse64 I am working on it
MSmits: I got a state representation that fits in 64 bit :)
reCurse: Yeah I guess
AntiSquid: too MSmits karliso got bored and quit CG while waiting
AntiSquid: too late *
AntiSquid: damn it, i am eating up words
Astrobytes: reCurse your mojo will return
MSmits: hehe yeah, I have no idea how long i'll be at onitama either. Just want to get it working. If it's good and i know an eval that works well. I'll stick around longer
AntiSquid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUJCNoLmRO4
MSmits: trying to convert to a good card system now, I can fit it in 5 bit
MSmits: but it's not easy
Astrobytes: Yeah not that mojo
darkhorse64: 64 bits including the cars ?
MSmits: including
darkhorse64: cards
MSmits: 25 bits for all positions, 3 bits per master, totals 56 bit, 1 bit for the turn, 7 bits left, I need 5 for the cards, so 2 bits left
reCurse: What is this, the 70s
MSmits: 62 out of 64, good deal :)
MSmits: hey it's nice, if i want to use maps and sets i can use a 64 bit key :0
Astrobytes: I'm off to work on my optimised punchcards
MSmits: hf :)
AntiSquid: what?
Astrobytes: I'm joking ffs
AntiSquid: sure
Nerchio: wtf haha
Nerchio: i keep getting games only against amurushkin in ooc xD
Nerchio: ~288 games
Nerchio: ah i guess maybe he is working on his bot and submitting
Nerchio: so its the same for others too
AntiSquid: no
AntiSquid: it's just you
Nerchio: ;o
wala: Nerchio you were 41 this morning and now you're 13 ???
Nerchio: yea bugged
Nerchio: i have 288 games vs one player :)
cegprakash: when should I use silence? when enemy can track me well?
Nerchio: yes
Nerchio: or sometimes after you shoot
Nerchio: or some other options as well
cegprakash: my rand() always returns the same values (same cycles). All my games run on the same server?
Nerchio: do you guys remember the name of the plugin that could run the games and see the stats
Astrobytes: either brutaltester or cgbenchmark, depending if you want to test vs yourself (former) or a selection of players (the latter)
Nerchio: there was one for webbrowser
Astrobytes: cgspunk?
Nerchio: ye probably thsis one
Astrobytes: That doesn't work now
Nerchio: ah :(
Nerchio: i am crushing wood3 in ghost in the cell
Nerchio: most of the bots dont do anything xD
aCat: that's wood
aCat: what did you expect :P
Nerchio: i was getting crushed in legend ooc so it feels good to win :D
SatoshiNakamoto: Hi
Nerchio: but wood2 is giving my 5 min alghoritm some trouble
cegprakash: cgspunk is bugged I think
Nerchio: :(
cegprakash: it never worked for me
cegprakash: I installed it for the BATCH RUN feature
cegprakash: but except that all other features work fine
cegprakash: but those are cool features too
cegprakash: u can try it
cegprakash: it's a chrome extension
Astrobytes: You need CGBenchmark for runs against a set of opponents now
Astrobytes: (or your own tool)
Nerchio: does it use server power?
Astrobytes: Yeah, so did CGSpunk
Astrobytes: So there's a delay between requests
Nerchio: but if everybody used that it wouldn't be so good :D
aCat: yeah, cg spunk is not working for me :(
aCat: Is something wrong with it globally?
Astrobytes: It just wasn't updated to reflect the CG API changes aCat
aCat: ah, ok, that's sad :(
Astrobytes: CGBenchmark is cool tho, just a bit less 'plg 'n' play' ;)
Astrobytes: *plug
Nerchio: if it doesnt overload servers then i will probably use it next time
Nerchio: its not the one where you need to write the referee is it?
Nerchio: xD
Astrobytes: Nerchio
https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark/blob/master/README.md
Nerchio: ok nice will be easier to debug ^^
cegprakash: is there anyone in legend who don't use mines and sonars?
cegprakash: because I'm committing on this strat
Swagboy: No
cegprakash: oh
cegprakash: at least no mines?
Nerchio: i dont use sonars in legen
Nerchio: but mine is neccessary xD
cegprakash: sonar is easy to code
cegprakash: I can take it from my wood1 bot
cegprakash: but mine I've no idea where to place
Nerchio: everywhere
cegprakash: :O
cegprakash: but opponent will know u placing
cegprakash: whats the point
cegprakash: better to charge something else
cegprakash: ?
cegprakash: when u charge a mine
Nerchio: all the time
cegprakash: u can only charge 1 skill at a turn
Nerchio: torpedo first always
Nerchio: then mine/silence as you choose
cegprakash: how u choose?
cegprakash: unless u predict next 6 moves
cegprakash: between mine and silence
cegprakash: coz u take 6 turns to charge a silence
Nerchio: i like to have silence ready
cegprakash: I'm right now wasting a lot of silences
cegprakash: I need to find some logic when I should avoid casting silence
cegprakash: so that I can save mana for mine or sonar
MSmits: mana?
Astrobytes: energy/charge
MSmits: ah... well it's a good thing he's not casting spells from his sub then
Nerchio: wood1 ghost in the cell
Nerchio: hype xd
Astrobytes: flipendo
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: gz Nerchio
Astrobytes: nice Nerchio
Nerchio: damn wood1 has some tough competition
Nerchio: will have to tackle it tomorrow
cegprakash: does anyone choose spawn location based on myId? say spawn in the center if first player or spawn in corner if second player to be defensive
tekki: hallo world!
tekki: AutomatonNN advice?
AutomatonNN: can someone help me with the code that i did in javascript and javascript code is community puzzle a
TrentT: Can you link the code?
tekki: hmm me mo :)
tekki: Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: i don't even know how to do it on the forum
tekki: :) good boy
tekki: Automaton2000 can you link the code? please
Automaton2000: damn i just found a bug in my code.
Kelvz: this's good
TrentT: Welcome to the club
tekki: so Automaton2000 can you link your code?
Automaton2000: im not gonna do that
tekki: why ? Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: anyone knows if there is one
tekki: and? Automatmon2000?
tekki: and? Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: depends on what i should do something
tekki: can AutomatonNN link the code Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: do you guys think of the contest
AutomatonNN: with a that strategy
Nerchio: so in bronze usually all things are unlocked right?
reCurse: Not always, but for recent games yes
Nerchio: Starting from the bronze league, you can increase the production rate of your factories.
This is the last rule change.
Nerchio: nice
Nerchio: so with minimal code i got to all the rules now i can start thinking about strategy :p
Nerchio: damn Unleash the geek looks fun as well
cegprakash: lol
cegprakash: u seem so excited
Nerchio: ye i like coding bots :D
cegprakash: me debugging at Silver
cegprakash: i'm wondering how gold boss works
cegprakash: sorry silve rboss
cegprakash: it prints my exact position at turn 20. That's the 10th turn for him
cegprakash: that too before dealing any damage or receiving any damage
cegprakash: it prints my position in the message
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/453504660
cegprakash: please check turn 20
vbplaya: cegprakash, I cant watch the replay for some reason.
cegprakash: it works in private windo for me
cegprakash: plz try in private window
tomatoes: shooting without damage reduce possible positions too
cegprakash: interesting
cegprakash: I need to add that
cegprakash: thanks tomatoes
cegprakash: so my torpedo target should also be optimal
cegprakash: damn
cegprakash: this is fun
cegprakash: my tracking is wrong when both players damage each other
cegprakash: interesting
cegprakash: that too when enemy uses torpedo on himself
cegprakash: just so he can hit me as well
cegprakash: opponent guesses my position accurately at 30th turn without using any skills at all.
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/453529369
cegprakash: how is this even possible
ZarthaxX: u have bad movement?
cegprakash: check replay
cegprakash: it's not bad
ZarthaxX: he just shot you at the very end
ZarthaxX: in your exact tile
ZarthaxX: im confused
cegprakash: no he shot after he decided
ZarthaxX: mhm?
ZarthaxX: what frame
cegprakash: turn 30 see MSG printed by boss
cegprakash: on right side above the cooldowns
cegprakash: it says "11 3 or 1"
ZarthaxX: and the 1
ZarthaxX: means yours?
cegprakash: yeah
ZarthaxX: well
cegprakash: at the start of the game the possibilities are large
ZarthaxX: take into account that the moment you shoot
cegprakash: it shrinks to 1
ZarthaxX: you sold yourself a lot
ZarthaxX: yeah well they shrink hwere basically coz of your movement and torpedo shot
cegprakash: I soold nothing
ZarthaxX: your movement generates invalid tiles for later on
ZarthaxX: that discards a lot
ZarthaxX: when u torpedo you reveal yourself a lot too
cegprakash: I never shot him
ZarthaxX: frame 29
cegprakash: not at 30th turn
ZarthaxX: u shot somewhere
ZarthaxX: then he shot you
cegprakash: it did not damage him
ZarthaxX: no
ZarthaxX: but you shot
cegprakash: so what
ZarthaxX: he saw where you shot
cegprakash: no
ZarthaxX: he can discard options
cegprakash: he can't do that
ZarthaxX: lmao
ZarthaxX: yes
ZarthaxX: you get enemy torpedo position
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
cegprakash: what he knows my torpedo position
cegprakash: wtf
cegprakash: wew
ZarthaxX: read the rules plz
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ZarthaxX: lmao
ZarthaxX: u could have got gold
ZarthaxX: LOL
cegprakash: out off all the things to track
cegprakash: this is the most crucial one
cegprakash: and I didn't do it
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ZarthaxX: yep
TrentT: ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
cegprakash: thanks for fixing the table TrentT
cegprakash: I will fix my code tomorrow
cegprakash: I mean tonight..
cegprakash: why am I going to sleep at 7:30 AM
cegprakash: I am being paid
cegprakash: zz
ZarthaxX: lmao
anid: wd pb4, looks like ur win is assured
