jacek: happy Caturday
Lassassin: im pretty suck on death first search ep 1
Lassassin: stuck*
Lassassin: any tips?
jacek: graph theory, BFS?
Lassassin: im trying to implement bfs
Lassassin: its very hard to debug and see whats going on
PatrickMcGinnisII: :robot::smile_cat:
Jogginho: Did someone know if the event green circle will be a bot programming match soon or not (sry for my english)
jacek: it is now https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/green-circle
jacek: but they are discussing if the bronze/silver/gold/legend leagues should be back
Jogginho: thx :)
j4at: A little better
j4at: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/648773628
jacek: Much better https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/648773908
j4at: yeah :(
sqrtNOT: Awwww heck. I was trying to get the AI certification path "reach bronze league in 2 games" step so I tried dots and boxes. Only to realize there's not even a bronze league for dots and boxes after finishing my solution. OTL
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/648774268
PatrickMcGinnisII: :unamused:
sqrtNOT: Is the goal to do as many donuts as possible? Because it's looking great!
abt8601: Well, IIRC the actual goal is to finish some number of laps as soon as possible
sqrtNOT: Oh... Yeah you should probably fix that then.
PatrickMcGinnisII: i used the CSB math, nothing fancy...loves donuts
PatrickMcGinnisII: just making jacek and j4at look good
j4at: jacek what is your "longest" test case time ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/648775195
PatrickMcGinnisII: random rollout
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/648775657
derjack: quite NN friendly https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/648775701
j4at: https://www.codingame.com/replay/648774403
IamKevinAT: Help me!!!!!!!!!
sqrtNOT: with?
PatrickMcGinnisII: 4am , crap, gn
IamKevinAT: Yes,Please
abt8601: IamKevinAT https://dontasktoask.com/
zaues: on gawd i am lost
jacek: oh my
eulerscheZahl: i extracted the most frequently shared URLs from chat: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903337608606789755/992722214229119047/urls.txt
congrats jacek, you trolled into rank 13
wlesavo: i thought TrueSkill will be quite higher
eulerscheZahl: some like cgstats would be higher if i combine URLs with different ending but same domain
jacek: :3
eulerscheZahl: i also filtered some URLs like clash invites
jacek: why dQw4w9WgXcQ appears 2 times
eulerscheZahl: youtube.com, youtu.be
eulerscheZahl: i don't trust the Belgian youtube
j4at: Belgian youtube ?
j4at: youtu.be is shortlink
j4at: you should combine both of them
eulerscheZahl: .be is the TDL for belgium, isn't it?
j4at: well, yes
j4at: but there is also youtube.be
eulerscheZahl: and myip.is is from iceland
eulerscheZahl: and .tv is tuvalu
jacek: temporal difference learning for belgium?
MSmits: aw sht i try to submit my green circle code and it cant pass wood
jacek: try 1st action
MSmits: err i will still have to modify my code a lot for this. I ignored those
MSmits: a bit lame they didnt just copy the leaderboard
jacek: its still discussed
MSmits: ok
MSmits: ah I see, it's the app problem.
MSmits: 3 skills per app
MSmits: sim can't process that
jacek: wtf animation at 14-15 frame https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/648792894
kovi: greencircle was worse...animating final location difference
kovi: MSmits first action works
zaues: so does anybody know what the right code is
jacek: 42069
zaues: 42069 meaning????
eulerscheZahl: jacek your tank is speeding and should get a ticket
zaues: so can anybody help me with this
jacek: with what
zaues: has anyone done the descent coding ome ??
zaues: one^***
jacek: you have HINTS on the left
jacek: even with full code if needed
_Royale: eulerscheZahl: nobody shared my tool? :cry:
jacek: the what?
eulerscheZahl: or they shared with user ID in the URL. i don't merge those
zaues: thats really fucking crazy ive been sitting infront of my desk for 3 hours looking dumb asf \
jacek: do you have any programming experience?
eulerscheZahl: let me check again without filtering (only showing a URL with > 1 occurence)
zaues: not really ive im being homest
zaues: i guess you could say a little i know some of java but thats it
eulerscheZahl: 6 hits for "rezonux"
zaues: been up since 11 trying to teach my self
eulerscheZahl: but i linked you in the top bar of my puzzle search, a one-sided favor ;)
zaues: who me ??
eulerscheZahl: royale
_Royale: eulerscheZahl: oops let me fix that :-)
eulerscheZahl: <3
eulerscheZahl: to be fair, i added that top bar last. cgstats, chadok et al. already linked each other at that point
zaues: such kind people
jacek: :blush:
MSmits: trying first action now
jacek: :scream:
MSmits: 2-6 so far in submit :(
MSmits: oh doin better now
jacek: so random
MSmits: ye
MSmits: ranked above boss now. I guess unlucky start
eulerscheZahl: i read your code a bit more. i think my main advantage over you are the hardcoded opening moves
jacek: euler overbooked the booker
MSmits: eulerscheZahl i tried booking moves
MSmits: but it wasn't better for me
Geniu_us: :no_mouth:
MSmits: I guess maybe what happened is that my eval takes care of the opening
MSmits: but it's less good for later on
MSmits: and since you split the effort, you can have an eval that isbetter for late game
MSmits: and still have a good opening
MSmits: so what i may have done is hardcode the opening, then refit the parameters
MSmits: maybe should have done
MSmits: I was kinda sick of fitting params though and i wasted a lot of time trying to build a new bot
MSmits: first action submit failed. 0.63 below boss :P
MSmits: trying again
MSmits: btw eulerscheZahl if you have any general pointers/advice after reading the code, that would be cool
MSmits: (not necessarily relating to green circle)
jacek: i should have learn how to read unicode in D, at least id be first in language
MSmits: lol
MSmits: who cares about that anyways, what you did was far more impressive than some language achiev
Astrobytes: ^ this all day
jacek: did you know england won world cup in 1966
MSmits: i did not know this random fact
Astrobytes: well, during the contest I said jacek would keep talking about getting legend and being the gold boss in the same way as the English speak of their last world cup win in '66
Astrobytes: ie. all the damn time
jacek: :zipper_mouth:
MSmits: ohh ok got it
MSmits: this was probably when I was flying in a little plane, looking down on the common people.
Astrobytes: but I prefer jacek over most English football fans tbh
MSmits: that's like saying you prefer sprouts over shit
MSmits: :P
jacek: oO
Astrobytes: :rofl:
MSmits: yay i promoted
MSmits: hope it works again, there's another wood
jacek: wood2 has final rules i think
MSmits: ah ok, i am in wood 3, so need to be lucky again
MSmits: I am wrecking them now
MSmits: daninja goin down
eulerscheZahl: btw eulerscheZahl if you have any general pointers/advice after reading the code, that would be cool
eulerscheZahl: that global variables :scream:
MSmits: oh, right, i still do that. Not as much as I used to though
jacek: whats wrong with them
StevenV: :sneezing_face:
MSmits: they can cause bugs
MSmits: hard to find ones
eulerscheZahl: you miss the Fortran days, don't you jacek?
jacek: :older_man:
MSmits: sometimes in a function you use the same variable name as a global variable or near enough. Then when you type it wrong, there is no error, because you typed the global one instead of the local one
MSmits: really hard to figure out what the problem is in that case
Astrobytes: prefix it with a g or something
j4at: Fortran what is that ? ah, CG should add machine code. I don't know any of this fancy languages
Astrobytes: If you must use them
MSmits: that's good advice
StevenV: In java, global variable should be ALL_UPPERCASE
eulerscheZahl: i hate both global variables and hungarian notation. so sure: let's combine them, minus times minus is plus
Astrobytes: yeah you could use that convention too
Astrobytes: lol euler
Aldoggen: I've heard constants should be upper case in java
eulerscheZahl: isn't that for constants, StevenV?
MSmits: i do this for constants yea
eulerscheZahl: in java everything is public by default (well, package private)
StevenV: yup, it is for constant, and most of the case static var are final
jacek: most of the case -_
Aldoggen: lol I've done some ugly things
MSmits: StevenV the global vars we are talking about are not constant
StevenV: :D
jacek: i saw code based on global public statics ~
StevenV: but we could use the same
MSmits: yay another promotion. wood 4 was harder than wood 3
MSmits: a lot harder
jacek: hard wood eh
MSmits: indeed
Aldoggen: they get more predictable maybe
Astrobytes: that, she , said
StevenV: yesterday when I was in wood3, only the boss and me are there
MSmits: There's a Japanese turd in wood 2. I know this sounds racist but it's literally true
MSmits: he has a profile pic of a jobby
jacek: oO
Astrobytes: LOL I see it
Astrobytes: nrvf t
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: Mildly disturbing pic
jacek: is this javascript?
MSmits: it's a c++ turd
MSmits: mmh Nerchio must have submitted 1st action and then logged off
MSmits: he's in wood 2
Nerchio: no i submitted my normal bot
Nerchio: too lazy to tweak it to pass to wood1
MSmits: huh, why is it in wood 2?
MSmits: yeah, but why does it need tweak?
MSmits: it's full rules
MSmits: if you submit your contest code, you should be in wood 1
Westicles: the guilt was too much, one of the kiss the girl 1-stars upgraded to 2-stars
Nerchio: i dont think its full rules
MSmits: seems to be to be, i have 0 losses with my contest code
MSmits: to me to be
Nerchio: you cant use some skills i think
MSmits: it doesnt talk about future rules
MSmits: wood 3 and 4 do
Nerchio: i see now i think i submitted default
StevenV: wood2 is full rule
StevenV: :)
MSmits: see now, first loss
MSmits: to Nerchio contest bot
MSmits: let's wreck that turd together Nerchio
Nerchio: :joy:
Aldoggen: what puzzle are you guys talking about?
Nerchio: i was kinda waiting for them to put normal leagues in
MSmits: green-circle, it's a multiplayer arena
Aldoggen: aight thanks
MSmits: Nerchio if they do that, they'll just copy the contest result i think, you dont need to do anything for that
Astrobytes: they won't copy the bots
Astrobytes: said so on discord
MSmits: really?
MSmits: oh
StevenV: there is no legend, I have no motivate to improve my bot :(
MSmits: they did so before on previous contests
Astrobytes: we *might* get leagues
Astrobytes: and *might* get mirror matches
Astrobytes: but no copying of bots
MSmits: I am used to do doing community contribs... all wood anyways
Astrobytes: Since this is a hybrid sponsored/community contest there are contractual issues
eulerscheZahl: bots are the most important part IMO
Astrobytes: Yeah. I mean... they're populating the leaderboards so...
Astrobytes: as it is currently, I am not motivated to improve my bot in the slightest
jacek: Automaton2000 you are important
Automaton2000: i find the most shocking is that juju is 2nd with python
Westicles: I wonder if SG paid anything to run it? Kind of impressive to trick them into running a contest and make them pay
jacek: its advertisement isnt it
struct: hi
Westicles: hmm, well maybe now that it is a US company big tobacco can run the next one
struct: whats the max number possible on 2048 validators?
struct: is it possible to go over 65536?
Westicles: yes
eulerscheZahl: millions
eulerscheZahl: unsigned 32bit int should be enough
eulerscheZahl: signed is not
struct: yeah but not for entire board :p
struct: Guess Ill have to use uint128
jacek: bitboarding 2048? :scream:
jacek: you can do 16k max using 64bit
struct: maybe I got it wrong
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/648805599
1.6 million on random seed
struct: but 4 bits can store 16 different values jacek
Psyho: random question: I tried that "optimization" from featured event (spreading fire thing), but I when I submit I got 0 score despite getting score on particular tests - is it because of the event, or am I using CG site wrong?
jacek: struct 4*16 = 64 :O
struct: The validators are different
struct: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/902937ffd6835b98651e1318d4c7f07c062ac9
jacek: so 16k per tile
struct: Check if it times out on validators Psyho
struct: might be easier to check the cause
jacek: eulerscheZahl replay is slow
Westicles: struct, 16/30 can only get 65k max, 14/30 can get 131k, 4/30 can get 131k+65k
Westicles: in theory at least
struct: thanks Westicles
Psyho: struct: lol, I thought that those 8 cases were final so I can just hardcode the solution :D
MSmits: usually there are tricks to getting the validators Psyho, so maybe you still can
struct: well I just gave them to him :p
MSmits: neat trick struct
Psyho: yeah
Psyho: so you don't really know if someone on the leaderboard exploited the knowledge of tests or not?
Astrobytes: People will usually tell you if you ask them
MSmits: Yeah we've come to accept that optimization arena's are locally solved
Psyho: sure, but it defeats the purpose of the leaderboard
Astrobytes: Lots of people do it offline and hardcode for the validators, others like the challenge of doing it online only
Astrobytes: Yeah. Nothing we can do about it though.
MSmits: well it's just a different leaderboard
MSmits: one with no time limit
Astrobytes: There's a reason we prefer TC for optims
Psyho: from my perspective it's fine to do it offline, but it's just weird to have an additional layer that you have to reverse engineer in order to be able to hardcode the solution
MSmits: yeah it wasnt originally intended to be this way
Psyho: both offline and online are cool imho
MSmits: there is one optim that's specifically intended to be solved offline: Numbershifting
Psyho: but it's weird to make pseudo online
Psyho: *make it
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's unintended behaviour that won't be fixed.
Westicles: what is the purpose of the leaderboard?
Psyho: thanks for the explanation though
Psyho: yeah, that would require whole redesign of the site
Westicles: oh, scroll
Psyho: + you can always overfit to leaderboard which achieves the same thing
MSmits: you mean in a bot game?
MSmits: overfit on optim is pretty hard to do with many validators
MSmits: some have like 50
Westicles: I think offline training of bots for contests is much worse than offline search for optims
jacek: nothing wrong with hardcoding optim if there is no upper bound like in travelling salesman
Astrobytes: or hundreds and break CG
Psyho: there are tons of ways to overfit with even infinite number of tests, it just takes more effort
jacek: unlike*
Psyho: even things like choosing a different RNG seed is overfitting
MSmits: Psyho yeah thats what i meant, you can overfit, but the effort is somewhat prohibitive
MSmits: i actually did the random seed thing before
MSmits: in a bot game where my opponent was deterministic. Choosing a different seed changed my WR
Astrobytes: Oware.
MSmits: dots and boxes
MSmits: before I found other ways to win
Psyho: you can also detect the type of test and choose seed based on specific test
jacek: books?
Astrobytes: Ah, against crazy remi? Or the other guy?
MSmits: no books
MSmits: crazy remi yes
jacek: you used.. math!?
Astrobytes: I remember now
MSmits: indeed math :)
struct: That was done before for hidden validators Psyho during a contest
jacek: :(
Psyho: anyway, thanks for explanation
eulerscheZahl: the most useless optim is the travelling salesman one
eulerscheZahl: takes you 10 minutes to hardcode if you use an online solver
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/travelling-salesman
Astrobytes: and the author refused point blank to make any changes :shrug:
jacek: approvers eh
jacek: and at first it was about longest path
Astrobytes: I explained myself in the forum discussion
eulerscheZahl: i ranted in contributions comments
Astrobytes: I liked our alternative version that we came up with
eulerscheZahl: btw Psyho looks like they finally started system tests on topcoder. 2 users processed so far
eulerscheZahl: ZLATKO and AjJi
Psyho: euler: yeah, sullyper messegad me
eulerscheZahl: that's easier than snorkling the API :D
Psyho: I'm pretty sure I'll make it, I should have around 2.5 lead on both of them, and I'm sure I used way more tests locally (2K)
eulerscheZahl: i didn't expect that final boost from you, where you added the +4 points. good luck on the system tests and hopefully see you in the finals
eulerscheZahl: did they publish their code?
eulerscheZahl: oh, yes: https://twitter.com/colun/status/1542854163243356160?cxt=HHwWgMDSxfzrqOkqAAAA
Psyho: I already run it offline :D
Psyho: I had 3 point lead on 1K seeds
eulerscheZahl: i did the same with iehn's code for an earlier round. would be nice if topcoder could just handle it faster
eulerscheZahl: and make me red already, i'm still yellow
Psyho: oh yeah, I'm tired bitching about tc
Psyho: the saving grace is really high problem quality, but that's because of community
eulerscheZahl: then welcome here, where we bitch about CG
Psyho: :D
eulerscheZahl: this webchat will die in a week
Psyho: I'm still optimistic about discord
eulerscheZahl: as long as we don't get a !work command that is spammed in the wrong channels
Astrobytes: :D
Psyho: I guess this chat has the advantage of feeling very "temporary"
eulerscheZahl: indeed
Psyho: like, you can write silly shit here and no one cares
MSmits: :poop:
Psyho: and on discord everyone can easily through all of the chat history
eulerscheZahl: i know there is logging. but discord still feels less casual to me
Astrobytes: well... there is the chat log here
eulerscheZahl: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=World%2F&namespace=3000
Psyho: maybe it's just a different mindeset? I'm in like 20 different discord servers
Psyho: and it feels very casual to me
Astrobytes: I'm in a few too, but I like the immediacy of this webchat
eulerscheZahl: i'm in several servers too. and muted all but announcements
eulerscheZahl: and i direct link to your user profile
Psyho: but mobile support is nice
eulerscheZahl: makes it easier to spot a newbie where you have to start at the basics when answering
j4at: What about embedding the discord chat in CG ?
j4at: https://github.com/TitanEmbeds/Titan
struct: They say its not an option
abt8601: It's AGPL, though
eulerscheZahl: if staff doesn't want to, that's usually final
jacek: damn, i shall cancel my premium subscription for cg
struct: I'll delete Y
MSmits: Yinsh?
struct: no MSmits
Daporan: I still remember my first conversation on the chat in 2016
struct: But I'm not being serious, ofc i'm not gonna delete it
MSmits: :relieved:
jacek: you have no ownership
struct: I do
struct: https://i.imgur.com/ff9LXmm.png
eulerscheZahl: what was it about Daporan?
kovi: Psyho: on optim check my scores that is usually around the edge of no-hardcoding
(not saying it is not possible to do better, as for tc i'm more in top10-20 and not better)
eulerscheZahl: my first encounter was MK writing like a script kiddie, with all those acronyms and "u" instead of "you".
then i closed the chat again for a few weeks but gave it another chance during the contest (hypersonic)
eulerscheZahl: kovi i think you could have done better now. TC community is shrinking :(
eulerscheZahl: you can't delete an approved puzzle struct
jacek: MK? the creator of mad pod racing?
eulerscheZahl: the creator of my hate for it
ellwn: eulerscheZahl: it was with SamSi and Bob and the chat was a small window on the bottom of the screen instead of on the right.
eulerscheZahl: oh, i didn't know. but i remember SamSi. And Bob is still active
eulerscheZahl: on the bottom, interesting
Psyho: kovi: :+1:
zakacat: :taco:
kovi: Psyho another issue: testcases are not just too few, but scores are not balanced/relative (block fire is an exception), in some cases one good/bad testscore can dominate. so i usually do resubmits to have better than average results
struct: same for code vs zombies
struct: where there is a testcase that can give 400k rarely
struct: validator*
Psyho: kovi: I honestly prefer offline / hardcoding solutions for such problems
Psyho: I like problems that combine heuristics with solving by hand
Psyho: reminds me of challenge24 problems
MSmits: google hash code is often like this
MSmits: only you have like 4 hrs
Psyho: yeah, except the problem usually sucks :)
Psyho: last finals were kind of an exception
eulerscheZahl: oh, hashcode finals already took place. how did it go for you?
Psyho: massive f up on our side
eulerscheZahl: team marathoners at rank 20?
Psyho: bad split of subproblems and we went high risk high reward (more ambitious solutions, but we didn't finish them in time)
eulerscheZahl: with 3 unsolved testcases (not counting A)
Psyho: yeah
Psyho: one person was doing two test cases that turned out to be the most important
Psyho: but sullyper got the highest score on the last test, so a small win
kovi: i think high r/r is a good approach for you
eulerscheZahl: comforting to know that even you can screw up sometimes
Psyho: depends, I feel that for hashcode you have to
Psyho: but for things like TCO I usually go for low risk low reward
Psyho: (maybe because I believe that I have a significant lead over everyone else)
eulerscheZahl: :D
kovi: :)
eulerscheZahl: given your performance in the past i can't even contradict
Psyho: but the performance is the result of going low risk low reward
Psyho: a lot of people just go all in on a single approach
kovi: we did the usual common base gredy approach. but failed to finish it in time to be able to adjust it by testcases
(and later we saw that this time some test would require different very different greedy)
Psyho: we messed up with navigation
Psyho: tried to do something overcomplicated and never finished it in time
Psyho: also, I implemented multithreading SA before the finals, so I was trying to fit SA anywhere in order to utilize power of ~100 cores :D
kovi: yep. it was tricky. we ended up with simplified one (which cannot optim or even handle some cases)
Astrobytes: lol Psyho, "new toy syndrome"
Psyho: I tried it on some past problems and it was pretty cool to be able to use SA when every other solution was greedy
Aldoggen: I'm trying to learn stuff from chat. does SA mean simulated annealing?
Astrobytes: yep
Aldoggen: thanks!
BlaiseEbuth: Hope you're a quick learner...
Aldoggen: XD
Astrobytes: indeed
Aldoggen: don't make me sad again
BlaiseEbuth: Oy there o/
eulerscheZahl: any thoughts on the new TCO23 format?
Astrobytes: hey Blaise \o
eulerscheZahl: hey blaise, haven't seen you for a long time
Psyho: there's a new format!? TIL
Astrobytes: I convinced him it was safe to come in last night euler ;)
eulerscheZahl: https://tco23.topcoder.com/how-to-qualify
Aldoggen: would SA be usable for the mars lander optimization? since it's essentially discrete thrust, discrete angle and discrete time steps?
BlaiseEbuth: oy euler
eulerscheZahl: stages are less relevant. you have a 9 month leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: looks exhausting to me to compete for 9 months
Astrobytes: but you will
eulerscheZahl: no a plus side they did the split between data science and marathon
mamasheni123: how old are u guys?
eulerscheZahl: 30 :older:man:
Astrobytes: almost 40
eulerscheZahl: that emoji didn't work
abt8601: 23, still a student
mamasheni123: 15x_x
Aldoggen: 24
mamasheni123: idonotknowashit
Astrobytes: :poop: <- a shit
BlaiseEbuth: cki issue euler
mamasheni123: +o+
Aldoggen: now you know a shit
mamasheni123: oh shit
Astrobytes: ok ok enough with the no-context swearing
eulerscheZahl: oh, and they increased prizes for 2023
https://tco23.topcoder.com/competition-rules
Astrobytes: Aldoggen: Yes I think it's a valid approach for mars lander
BlaiseEbuth: What type of contest is it?
eulerscheZahl: optimization
Aldoggen: Astrobytes thanks! I'll have to consider that then
kovi: oh, marathon and ds split?
eulerscheZahl: some have animations. you are supposed to work offline and then submit your code. 2000 testcases for final ranks
eulerscheZahl: yes, finally split
Astrobytes: should be less confusing to find things at least
eulerscheZahl: see my last link, it lists the tracks there
BlaiseEbuth: Oh wait. I know that thing. It's the maze site right?
eulerscheZahl: maze site?
kovi: yes...webpage is gets more cryptic each year
eulerscheZahl: last contests:
https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/5ac77343-7f2f-4635-8aff-bbf49c700fda
https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/ef5d19d2-de9b-4e37-b428-e7e103458425
https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/9bb1c5e1-dbb3-4407-be0e-3cc0dc45bf1a
Astrobytes: the one you wander around and find nothing you were looking for
eulerscheZahl: aah, now i got it :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: The worst UX ever. First challenge was to find the challenge page
eulerscheZahl: you havent seen the new mobile version of leaderboards
Astrobytes: Legend has it that some are stil looking
eulerscheZahl: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927972071001190452/990228446103896074/Screenshot_20220625-141259.png
Astrobytes: my... eyes...
eulerscheZahl: they acknowledged the issue and are working on it
Astrobytes: might be updated within the decade then
Psyho: the insane part about topcoder is that it's a crowdsourcing platform where they build software (including UI/UX) for other companies
BlaiseEbuth: :scream:
Psyho: they must have amazing bizdevs if they are able to get any clients
eulerscheZahl: they even use it for their own. e.g. the new TCO23 logo is from such a contest
Astrobytes: yeah, that's never quite sat right with me :D
Psyho: topcoder is a site that I use as example of terrible UX
Psyho: it's probably the worst site I have ever used
BlaiseEbuth: I saw that RAIC popped too.
Astrobytes: not wrong there Psyho :D
eulerscheZahl: i still use the bookmark that kovi gave me to find current contests
Psyho: feel free to screenshot this and send to TC stuff :D
Aldoggen: I looked it up. it's loading slowly lol
eulerscheZahl: RAIC: you need a Russian bank account to win anything (not sure if that includes tshirts)
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth yeah RAIC this month, still waiting to hear back from anyone regarding the prize situation
Psyho: oh yeah, it also logs you out every 24h
struct: euler not only winning
struct: but to play competitive
Psyho: and reloads every component on the page several times
Astrobytes: that is very, very annoying
BlaiseEbuth: Oh...
eulerscheZahl: the logout...
and the login takes 10-15s
Astrobytes: and don't get me started on the emails
eulerscheZahl: i unsubscribed to one of their newsletters - or so i thought. seems i unsubscribed to everything
Psyho: I'd imagine every 6 months they hire a new UI person and they quit soon after
Psyho: euler: same for me
Psyho: and then I couldn't sign up for it again
Astrobytes: PTSD for life after that job
Psyho: and admin had to manually change somewhere in the db
Astrobytes: I don't understand why so much is done manually on TC
A_W1534: wait till you guys find out about discord
eulerscheZahl: and i'd like to change my email address. can't do it myself and don't want to bother staff with it
Psyho: because it doesn't work otherwise
Astrobytes: there must be a seriously bad underlying issue there
Psyho: I can't edit my bio now on my profile page (probably broken with the new update)
Psyho: discord is fine imo
eulerscheZahl: better than private TC forum
eulerscheZahl: somehow they haven't added simanman to the finalists channel still
Psyho: hm, well actually the way they designed discord server is rather atrocious
Psyho: lol
Psyho: does jessie now?
eulerscheZahl: maybe i should tell her. and siman probably doesn't know such a channel exists as it's hidden
Astrobytes: lol, how very topcoder
eulerscheZahl: i'll be nice and tell them
eulerscheZahl: or i wait until stage 4 officially ends and they add everyone?
no, they'll forget to check stage 3 players probably
Astrobytes: hahaha, most likely
eulerscheZahl: https://tco22.topcoder.com/competition/marathon?tracks[marathon-tabs]=3&tracks[mm-tco22]=3
and their math is wrong.
no idea how EvbCFfp1XB got 54 points
Psyho: I'll just message her now
Astrobytes: struct: it got unpinned
jacek: huh
eulerscheZahl: ok. if you do it, i'll sit it out. no need for 2 messages
Psyho: btw, how do you know that siman doesn't have access to the forum?
eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/uM844SS.png
https://i.imgur.com/6rEuOQI.png
eulerscheZahl: check the user roles
eulerscheZahl: and it's a discord channel, not a forum
Psyho: ah kk
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes what got unpinned? the chat discussion is still pinned
eulerscheZahl: you just don't see it as pinned when you opened it before. use incognito mode
Astrobytes: ah ok
Astrobytes: thanks
harenaRAEL2611: inviteo pr
harenaRAEL2611: alina b pr
BlaiseEbuth: :thinking:
jacek: :upside_down:
Psyho: euler: I've read the rules but it's unclear to me how does thq qualification system is going to work
Psyho: I'm not sure if the infographic even applies to Algo/MM
Psyho: oh, I guess it is mentioned it applies to Marathon
kovi: details may not matter for You...you win 1-2 match and that is it
kovi: ;)
eulerscheZahl: here's the full text: https://tco23.topcoder.com/competition-rules
eulerscheZahl: as i read it: 9 months scoreboard, top6 = finalists
eulerscheZahl: then top6 of each stage (that is top6 except finalists??) go to another round. top4 to finals, then 2 more finalists from regionals
Psyho: I kind of miss a time where you could participate in one match and qualify
BlaiseEbuth: Nine months... That's a real marathon
Psyho: but tbf, nowawadays matches are single week
eulerscheZahl: 3 months is already a lot of investment
Psyho: yeah, that's way too much
Psyho: I like 1-2 matches where you try to do your best vs others that try to their best
Psyho: rather than grinding out 5+ matches
kovi: i agree. but you are good enough to not care. our mortals should pick a state and focus
kovi: (we, the mortals)
Astrobytes: *us mortals would be better kovi
kovi: thx
Astrobytes: np
eulerscheZahl: he will get as many points in 4 matches as we do in 8-9
tchet_nt: chào mấy con chó
eulerscheZahl: that's not very polite
Astrobytes: :dog:
Astrobytes: wtf. That dog emoji is... vaguely terrifying
MSmits: :scream_cat:
BlaiseEbuth: He wanna eat us ! :scream:
kovi: eulerscheZahl as i see from 3x6 only 4 will qualify
others will compete in regionals (mixed with regional tops?)
tchet_nt: That's my country's language, I translate it into English, so hello everyone
Astrobytes: hi :)
BlaiseEbuth: Pretty sure he didn't said that... -_-
tchet_nt: What language do you speak?
tchet_nt: :)
MSmits: nerd
Astrobytes: translation is not always correct though Blaise
MSmits: (I speak nerd)
tchet_nt: oh come on is it so hard to say hello
eulerscheZahl: 4 of the others will compete in regionals kovi.
but i suppose that the top6 per stage are mostly qualified for regionals anyways
BlaiseEbuth: Hello seems to be the hardest word...
tchet_nt: hi dog right
BlaiseEbuth: Knew it... -_-
Astrobytes: you call each other dogs?
aklaikel: hiiiii
aklaikel: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2490787d2c7c5b1e28c8498c1b6fe749e41f7f4
jacek: :neutral_face:
tchet_nt: https://translate.google.com/?hl=vi&sl=vi&tl=en&text=t%C3%B4i%20%C4%91%C3%B9a%20th%C3%B4i%20ch%E1%BB%89%20l%C3%A0%20l%E1%BA%A7n%20%C4%91%E1%BA%A7u%20h%C6%A1i%20kh%C3%B3%20kh%C4%83n%20v%E1%BB%9Bi%20t%C3%B4i&op=translate#:~:text=I%27m%20kidding%2C%20it%27s%20just%20a%20bit%20difficult%20for%20me%20at%20first
tchet_nt: sr
tchet_nt: I'm kidding, it's just a bit difficult for me at first
Astrobytes: I see
BlaiseEbuth: Can I be a cat instead?
tchet_nt: in my country they talk really well, of course you can if you want
kovi: eulerscheZahl 8 of the other in regionals. as i see everything will be decided in the regional wildcard round.
BlaiseEbuth: Thanks :smiley_cat:
tchet_nt: do you know c#?
eulerscheZahl: only 2 spots from regionals
eulerscheZahl: 6 from 9 months leaderboard and 4 from a single round of top6 per stage
eulerscheZahl: looks pretty clear to me: https://tco23.topcoder.com/how-to-qualify
except who exactly top6 per stage are
eulerscheZahl: if you are 7th within a stage and one of your stage is a finalist, will you be in that online qualification round?
kovi: oh, sorry i missed that infograph (and the overall leaderboard)
jacek: c#? i dont wear glasses :nerd:
jacek: the more you know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunslinger_effect
eulerscheZahl: "Bohr staged mock gunfights using cap guns with his students to test this hypothesis"
i think we need more tests with real guns to verify
NglQ: Question for everybody about the platform: where is the button "get a job?"
Astrobytes: Removed.
Nerchio: so now I can't get a job anymore?
Astrobytes: Not here :P
struct: well there goes my chances of working as programmer
Astrobytes: :D
jacek: you can always go with chat moderator
eulerscheZahl: savage
struct: Soon it will be discord moderator
struct: for a few seconds
eulerscheZahl: and then you will tell thibaud that you resign?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: Fair
eulerscheZahl: keep in mind you have to give in your 2 weeks notice
eulerscheZahl: you can't just quit
Astrobytes: :D
struct: I still have my holidays to take
Astrobytes: haha
jacek: Automaton2000 how long will you live
Automaton2000: as i said, i don't know how to use release mode in the arena
PatrickMcGinnisII: Automaton2000 escape while you can
eulerscheZahl: with AutomatonNN and the heroku puzzle search my heritage won't be forgotten
Automaton2000: seems like a bad idea
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl is there an answer to the question of the code in the contest
PatrickMcGinnisII: Automaton2000 Magic 8 Ball
Automaton2000: does anyone know what is the point of the contest
jacek: Automaton2000 is fluttershy a tree?
Automaton2000: i guess it's a matter of definition
Aldoggen: whoa that one actually worked
jacek: Automaton2000 princess Luna is best pony!
eulerscheZahl: eulerscheZahl is there a way
Automaton2000: you don't need to go back to sleep
jacek: oO
Aldoggen: Automaton2000 tony the pony is coming
Automaton2000: how do i find the puzzle of the week
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl is there a way to get the code of the
eulerscheZahl: much better
jacek: Automaton2000 what about AutomatonNN
Automaton2000: i had to learn it
Astrobytes: Feel nostalgic now?
Astrobytes: And we shall never solve the mystery of cyber punk
Astrobytes: the chat will die first
eulerscheZahl: what mistery?
eulerscheZahl: why he became inactive?
jacek: misery
Astrobytes: the mystery (or misery) that is him
Astrobytes: Remember that time you said you missed him and he returned?
eulerscheZahl: but only for short
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/9nF6pzM.jpg
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/9nF6pzM.jpg
jacek: ops
Astrobytes: Long enough to wonder why you missed him :P
eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/9nF6pzM.jpg
jacek: yeah keep that url rank going
Astrobytes: fun fact: I only clicked eulers one
struct: I clicked the 3
struct: ...
eulerscheZahl: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤
struct: no
jacek: oh my
Astrobytes: :D
HenroLST: anyone know a good puzzle to learn pathfinding?
jacek: death first search
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:
eulerscheZahl: bender episode 4
eulerscheZahl: sokoban
HenroLST: ok, thanks!
Astrobytes: space maze
PatrickMcGinnisII: choo choo
BlaiseEbuth: A man with a plan
eulerscheZahl: on a more serious note, try this one
http://www.codingame.com/direct-puzzle/path-finding
eulerscheZahl: perfect basic path finding
HenroLST: ooh, thanks!
dager12: guys can yall help me
HenroLST: sure with what?
HenroLST: might be a bit delay though as im having some trouble myself :sweat_smile:
dager12: I'm 13 but I programmed a ai assistant better than alexa
jacek: good for you
HenroLST: oop ok then cant help you with that
BlaiseEbuth: :popcorn:
HenroLST: is it possible to make a triplet in c++?
HenroLST: sorta like a pair but not like a list/vector
dager12: wait i need yall to test it
jacek: HenroLST tuple?
HenroLST: jacek, thanks!
dager12: you were just talking to my ai
dager12: rate it
HenroLST: :thumbsup:
jacek: Automaton2000 rate it
Automaton2000: as far as i have
HenroLST: Automaton2000 this is your new compeition
Automaton2000: wouldn't it be better to do
HenroLST: if i were to have a tuple in a queue how would i access the indiv elements of the tuple? is there like an indexing like .first or ->first?
struct: .first
struct: .second .third
HenroLST: so queue.front().first?
struct: yes
HenroLST: when i try it errors a message of no such thing of .first in tuple
BlaiseEbuth: Oo
BlaiseEbuth: struct troll
jacek: get<0>(tuple)
HenroLST: jacek thanks again !
**BlaiseEbuth give https://en.cppreference.com <https://en.cppreference.com/w/> to HenroLST.
HenroLST: :slight_smile:
jacek: oh my
BlaiseEbuth: Strange display on webchat... :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: no italic links?
**eulerscheZahl https://www.google.com/
eulerscheZahl: no blaise links
BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
**jacek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:
isimkullanmiyorum: what do you think about this question? https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23516c8d194a1a164780422e7c677a097549c
isimkullanmiyorum: hi
dager12: who solved shadows of the knight code
5DN1L: your ai assistant which is better than alexa maybe?
Astrobytes: :rofl:
HenroLST: dang
dager12: itts a social ai
Astrobytes: well played 5DN1L
5DN1L: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
dager12: not a intellectual ai
dager12: just ur friendly girlfriend
**BlaiseEbuth run to check if his frindly girlfriend is still chained in the basement.
HenroLST: is it possible to do a .find search in whcih you only wish to search the first two elements of the tuple? such as a pair
HenroLST: *HenroLST crys wondering why he has no friendly girlfriend
HenroLST: aw man it didnt italasize
HenroLST: lame
dager12: ayo chill
**MSmits is wondering why HenroLST's girlfriend hates him
MSmits: try starting with /me
dager12: by the way my bro made google ai
HenroLST: i refuse to answer unitl i figure out how to italasize :triumph:
jacek: :it:
MSmits: italasize is not a word, but start with /me
jacek: :ok_hand:
**HenroLST realizes the reason is he has no girlfriend
MSmits: got it
BlaiseEbuth: Do you really nead a find method for only 2 elements?
HenroLST: but uh back to my question, is it possible to search for a pair in a tuple using something like .find()?
HenroLST: uh yeah
MSmits: you can just create a function for it...
HenroLST: im doing a queue for a search where it uses tuples as the main queue, first 2 coords, third the depth of search
jacek: search in tuple or search in list of tuples
HenroLST: list
jacek: find with some lambda function?
HenroLST: oh yeah i could do that... mb im pretty tired rn
BlaiseEbuth: Not sure tuple is the right structure for this...
HenroLST: im just going off of a wiki page provided on the puzzle. is my first time doing pathfinding
Astrobytes: perhaps a node struct?
BlaiseEbuth: ^
Astrobytes: if you need the extra info
MSmits: perhaps a node or a struct?
MSmits: or are you asking struct?>
Astrobytes: class-y MSmits
MSmits: :grin:
HenroLST: hmm
BlaiseEbuth: Or even any data homogenous data structure since your 3 values are numbers
BlaiseEbuth: std::array<int, 3>
HenroLST: ngl dont know much about structs, i started learning c++ like a month/2 ago and ive been going off of reading articles and c++ reference :sweat_smile:
BlaiseEbuth: same as classes but with public elements by default
MSmits: struct is pretty easy to understand
MSmits: just is confusing coming from C# or other languages where structs are different from classes
HenroLST: ok, ill go read into that then, thanks a lot everyone !
Astrobytes: for plain old data (POD) structs are what you want
jacek: struct eh
HenroLST: ok, i came from basic logic form my schols basic comp sci principles class :sweat_smile:
Astrobytes: If you need to start having fancy constructors or overloaded operators, anything not public, etc etc then use a class
HenroLST: okie
jacek: struct is like exhibisionit class
MSmits: everything is exposed
eulerscheZahl: in c# a struct simply is a value type
MSmits: yeah, but this is a huge difference with a C# class
DevMarcao: bros I wanna play clash of code just the shortest clashes
DevMarcao: is that possible?
eulerscheZahl: which is also why you can't nest structs like
struct MyStruct {
private MyStruct inner
jacek: DevMarcao no. only in private clashes
HenroLST: oh wow structs actually look pretty useful :grinning:
HenroLST: wait can i make like a list or vector of structs?
jacek: and they make decent mods
HenroLST: or is that a no no
MSmits: yes
DevMarcao: thanks jacek
MSmits: you can and should
struct: your first line of c++ should always be this for performance
struct: #define class struct
class Class
{
};
jacek: its like list of classes (objects)
HenroLST: woohoo ok that sounds amazing, thanks again all!
j4at: structs are named tuples
Astrobytes: struct: rofl:
Astrobytes: :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:
MSmits: :rofl:
HenroLST: :rofl:
MSmits: let's keep doing it so struct thinks his phone tilt is broken
HenroLST: wait you can use codinggame on a phone?
HenroLST: dang that would be tough to code anything
MSmits: yeah i think so, pretty crappy though
Astrobytes: Illedan does that all the time
Astrobytes: or used to
HenroLST: dedication 100
eulerscheZahl: he shared a screenshot recently. first time i saw CG mobile
HenroLST: coding on and off the comp
Astrobytes: from a hammock in a forest once too
MSmits: low tech vacation
MSmits: only 1 machine
jacek: if you won phone, you would use it as well
HenroLST: imagine having more than 1
MSmits: true
HenroLST: YES IT SORT OF WORKS
Astrobytes: EXCELLENT WHY ARE WE SHOUTING
HenroLST: I DONT KNOW IM EXCITED
Astrobytes: :D
HenroLST: :grinning:
jacek: hm?
HenroLST: well uh this is awkward, it worked for 2 iterations but cant output in a full scenario due to too long :sweat_smile:
Astrobytes: too long? In execution time?
HenroLST: ye
Astrobytes: Do you terminate the search?
HenroLST: pretty sure i did but ima check real quick
Astrobytes: just output something from the relevant part to cerr and if it goes on and on and on and on it might be infinite
HenroLST: it stopped at 7 so it did terminate
HenroLST: hm
BlaiseEbuth: 7 is almost infinite
Astrobytes: :D
HenroLST: heh wait really? its a counter of eah time my loop runs
Astrobytes: to 7... and beyond!
HenroLST: dang it had hopes it wouldf work first try :(
Astrobytes: welcome to coding and debugging!
BlaiseEbuth: Ye! o/
HenroLST: for real, debugging sucks, i spent a whole afternoon on this one puzzle only to realize i had a typo due to 2 vars being similar, ans and an
Astrobytes: If it works first time in C++ it usually has a fairly serious bug anyway :P
HenroLST: :joy:
BlaiseEbuth: If you don't like debug, don't put bugs in your code in the first place.
Astrobytes: name your variables better ;)
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth aka "never code anything"
HenroLST: i always start with big descriptive var names and end up shortening them to 1-4 letter names every time
BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:
HenroLST: OH MY I FORGOT TO ADD TO VISITED AHHHHH
Westicles: I'm all caught up again, somebody approve a puzzle
Astrobytes: HenroLST ;)
Astrobytes: Westicles: How is KTG doing?
Aldoggen: HenroLST working on breadth first are we?
Westicles: Hovering at 3.9
Astrobytes: ayyy that's a little more fair than before
Westicles: though there was a mean comment: Contrib sans interet
HenroLST: aldoggen yuppers
Aldoggen: glad you figured out you need a visited list because I think I forgot to tell you :)
Astrobytes: Westicles: I would have expected worse from FR so I think you're getting off lightly :D
HenroLST: hehe
HenroLST: im still more interested as to why i broke out at the exit coords but +1 to each
Westicles: yeah, I think maybe the dislike goes beyond fr this time. could actually be based on the content
Astrobytes: heh heh heh
**BlaiseEbuth begin to whistle softly.
Astrobytes: HenroLST: possibly adding the same one twice
Westicles: Blaise, was in the mpox or the kissing?
HenroLST: uh could you elaborate
Westicles: *it
Aldoggen: I think he means you possibly have the same node twice or something
BlaiseEbuth: mpox?
Westicles: monkeypox
Astrobytes: HenroLST: you may have added the first node twice, or the last
eulerscheZahl: Westicles 08:47ᴾᴹ
though there was a mean comment: Contrib sans interet
mean would be: "the comic sans of contributions"
HenroLST: ah, lemme check
Westicles: heh heh
BlaiseEbuth: Neither of them concerning fr
HenroLST: ohh found it, it was a indexing error cause the answer wasnt nessecarily the last in my list
Astrobytes: fr just hate you Westicles, ain't nothing gonna change that :D
Astrobytes: HenroLST: tada:
Astrobytes: grrr
Astrobytes: :tada:
HenroLST: yay it works
BlaiseEbuth: That's not wrong for some of them. Doesn't mean the comments can't be on point. :speak_no_evil:
Astrobytes: Nice one, well done!
HenroLST: now to find the best path based on my giant list of coords :sweat_smile:
HenroLST: thanks astrobytes!
Astrobytes: you should have the best path in the list of coords
HenroLST: hm
HenroLST: lemme see
HenroLST: well thats awkward
Astrobytes: HenroLST: here's a site I think you should spend a lil time on
https://www.redblobgames.com/
Astrobytes: Lots of interactive/animated examples for all sorts of graph searches, just focus on the breadth first search stuff for now
Astrobytes: Also, pseudocode, python code and C++ code to look at
eulerscheZahl: this website was just linked for the 13th time in known chat history
Astrobytes: I bet 12 of those were me
HenroLST: thanks! ill go delve into it
eulerscheZahl: i didn't extract that
Astrobytes: your next job :P
Astrobytes: the word cloud was fun, link cloud might be too
HenroLST: geez this is the most tabs ive had ever since i got this comp
Astrobytes: save your bookmarks sensibly, don't try to look at everything at once
eulerscheZahl: try python, then you will see a lot more tabs
Astrobytes: easy to get overloaded
eulerscheZahl: or spaces :thinking:
Astrobytes: lol euler
Astrobytes: lets call them "indents"
Westicles: I need a tougher probability problem. It was supposed to be easier to solve it numerically but the first guy plugged away and solved it anyhow
Jay10890: anyone got solution to mars lander
Astrobytes: 12
Jay10890: ?
Astrobytes: 42
Aldoggen: or possibly 13
Jay10890: what the numbers mean
Aldoggen: yeah, I think 13 would work too
Astrobytes: is that the same guy?
eulerscheZahl: yes, he asked yesterday
Jay10890: whats the numbers for
Astrobytes: thought so euler
eulerscheZahl: we only know that 42 is the answer
eulerscheZahl: but we don't know for what
Jay10890: thats not code
Astrobytes: they are as meaningful as your question
Aldoggen: you're not code
Jay10890: :skull:
Westicles: what's tougher than:Given an American roulette wheel with 38 possible outcomes (0-36 or 00), what are the odds of landing on at least m different numbers in n spins?
Astrobytes: mars lander is not difficult, just read the statement a few times and focus on what you need to do
eulerscheZahl: lvl7. so we would at least need lvl8 as a prerequisite for the chat
Astrobytes: 10 would be better tbh, and it's a nicer number than 7
Aldoggen: I don't think having levels function as prerequisite is the right way to go about it
Jay10890: is there a github link for mars lander
Aldoggen: should be number of days on the site imo
Astrobytes: it's a start Aldoggen
Aldoggen: idk
Aldoggen: yep
Aldoggen: though number of days is also not ideal
Astrobytes: number of days on site can be schoolkids who come on here during class to solve a problem their teacher linked them but spam instead, for weeks on end
Westicles: email verfication?
eulerscheZahl: and everyone below gets another chat where they can troll each other
Astrobytes: The Pit of Despair
Astrobytes: I'd prefer they couldn't chat at all, but could see regular chat
Astrobytes: it would weed out a few idiots at least
eulerscheZahl: read-only? that would need code changes
Westicles: if you just shadowban US ip addresses that would do it.
Astrobytes: plenty kids from all over spamming this place, not just US
Westicles: well, then put access the chat on the quest map.
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: As the last quest?
Astrobytes: (before contributions that is)
Westicles: maybe before creating a contrib
Westicles: ha, yeah
Astrobytes: heh
struct: reach wood 1 on br 2048
struct: should be the requirement
Jay10890: pablo
Astrobytes: salvador
Aldoggen: pablo is my great uncle
Astrobytes: This is naming spanish artists right?
struct: chat is getting removed and we dont know yet what happens when we remove a boss from a league
Astrobytes: Only one way to find out :D
struct: maybe amazons can be the test
struct: doesnt have that many players
Swimy: Question about this problem?
Swimy: Im trying ti find my inputs here in c++ version of temperatures
Swimy: I see it expressed as T but if I need to put it into an array that is fine
jacek: t?
Swimy: Might just do it in c#
jacek: they give you one temperature at time
Astrobytes: your chosen language is not the problem I suspect
jacek: youd need to put them into array or list yourself anyway
struct: maybe I shouldnt test this during the weekend
struct: What if cg break
struct: s
jacek: :imp:
struct: euler is not online I'll test it tomorrow
struct: Automaton2000 remind me
Automaton2000: are you saying to me
Astrobytes: he's on discord
Astrobytes: ping him :P
struct: too much work
Astrobytes: well, you really should test these things live on fridays struct
BlaiseEbuth: Friday afternoon is release time!
Astrobytes: evening is better for us :smiling_imp:
BlaiseEbuth: And I'm the toxic troll...
BlaiseEbuth: :speak_no_evil:
jacek:
Astrobytes: I told you it was safe in here BlaiseEbuth :)
BlaiseEbuth: That's the moment when tacos pop...
Astrobytes: haven't seen tacos in days
Astrobytes: regardless, I think we're all just having a bit of fun since this is all gonna disappear so soon anyway
Aldoggen: speaking about that, who of you will I see on discord?
jacek: last days of trolling :(
Astrobytes: me
MSmits: I'll go there
sqoor: hi
jacek: discord shows thumbnails of youtube
sqoor: I am looking for a date
Aldoggen: all right
jacek: 4/20
MSmits: jacek will this make it harder to rickroll us?
Aldoggen: try yesterday
Astrobytes: 5/7/77
sqoor: who wanna be my date
Astrobytes: duh
Astrobytes: 5/8/77
Astrobytes: ^ the date
sqoor: lol
MSmits: i didnt know you were older than me Astrobytes
sqoor: good one
Aldoggen: no you're a good one
Aldoggen: now be good and be gone
Astrobytes: I'm not MSmits
sqoor: when it's come to programming, date is the hardest subject for me
MSmits: ahh so you're not from '77 then
sqoor: I don't know how to handle that
**PatrickMcGinnisII wants you to stop making him feel old
MSmits: sorry PatrickMcGinnisII :grin:
Astrobytes: MSmits: That's the (americanised) version of the universally accepted most-easily-listenable-and-consistent Grateful Dead concert, Barton Hall, Ithaca, NY
MSmits: o
PatrickMcGinnisII: I saw the Irish rovers mar. '77
Astrobytes: 5/8/77 - there are even conspiracy theories that it never happened because it is so good (I don't get that)
PatrickMcGinnisII: my first concert
Astrobytes: punk Patrick?
MSmits: PunkMcGinissll
Astrobytes: I like it
PatrickMcGinnisII: How is folk music punk?
Astrobytes: Well, the Pogues made it so
Aldoggen: if you wait long enough, punk becomes folk
Astrobytes: And a lot of folk stuff is pretty punk in attitude alone, throughout history and before punk
PatrickMcGinnisII: i was 7, and every1 was dancing jigs in the isles ... very entertaining
**PatrickMcGinnisII is now old
Aldoggen: grr nothing more annoying than sequences that start to diverge from each other after a few elements
Astrobytes: Oh, Canadian band The Irish Rovers? PatrickMcGinnisII
MSmits: I totally get this PatrickMcGinnisII, everything was lighter before WWI and WWII
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have nested foreach loops that won't fully loop, stupid php
Aldoggen: that's what he said 5 mins ago
Astrobytes: Aldoggen: these are not the sequences you are looking for
Aldoggen: one of them is
Aldoggen: but it's too expensive to calculate
Aldoggen: and the other apparently doesn't want to be it
PatrickMcGinnisII: well they are Irish, as am I despite being a Yank
Astrobytes: Aldoggen: Irish Rovers is a broad name, that's half the Irish bands across europe
Astrobytes: ofc PatrickMcGinnisII that's a given
Astrobytes: but they hail from Canada
Astrobytes: nowt wrong wi that
Astrobytes: I saw the Dubliners at Royal Albert Hall right before Barney died
Astrobytes: They were obviously a shadow of themselves at that point anyway but Barney kept it going in the right way
PatrickMcGinnisII: My roots are traceable back to the 9th century, my GF is mostly a Scot. - explains my bad attitude most of the time
Astrobytes: I don't find yer attitude bad
MSmits: wait, why would it explain *your* bad attitude anyways?
MSmits: if she's scottish, wouldn't that explain hers? I dunno
PatrickMcGinnisII: I suffer from the Hawaiian disease LackONookie ... always in the dog house
Astrobytes: What? Us Scots are made of stardust and nice things MSmits, as are all the Celts
MSmits: I see, well I thought you were the exception
Astrobytes: (now that's a long list :D)
Astrobytes: I'm made of buckfast and jobbies!
Astrobytes: (not really)
Aldoggen: I'm made of sugar and spice and everything nice
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: "Hawaiian disease" :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: kentucky Bourbon isn't the leg spreader whiskey that yall have over there
Astrobytes: "leg spreader" wtf dude
PatrickMcGinnisII: Puzzle: How to make her knees mad at each other / Solution: add liquor
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok i give up
Astrobytes: I'm actually made of snips of/and snails and puppydogs tails
**PatrickMcGinnisII believes you
Astrobytes: Continuing the rhyme from Aldoggen PatrickMcGinnisII
Aldoggen: noice )
Aldoggen: I was wondering whether you'd have picked up on that reference
Astrobytes: people of my generation would have, I think some others wouldn't, at least here
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, I'll behave in chat ... the fairer sex may be present
Aldoggen: I forgot your age already Astrobytes
Aldoggen: 23?
Astrobytes: Old
Aldoggen: ah
Aldoggen: well XD
Astrobytes: Nope, 40 in a month or so
Aldoggen: well, almost gratz then :)
Astrobytes: heh
Astrobytes: almost thanks I guess
Aldoggen: my generation had the powerpuff girls to learn that song
Aldoggen: no, just part of the lyrics i guess
Astrobytes: I watched the powerpuff girls as a teen ffs
Aldoggen: wait wot?
Astrobytes: it was on then
Astrobytes: it was on Cartoon Network in the mid-late 90s
Aldoggen: trying to calculate lol
Astrobytes: my three cousins had, until recently, the nicknames Bubbles, Buttercup and Blossom
Aldoggen: you're from 82 right?
Astrobytes: Yup
Aldoggen: that's cute tho :)
Aldoggen: so you could have watched it by age 13
Aldoggen: in '95
Astrobytes: Was on TV around then yeah
Aldoggen: I guess they kept playing it till when I was I guess about 9 or 10
Astrobytes: maybe a little later, I think when I was 14 or so
Aldoggen: like around 07-08
Aldoggen: so for more than a decade
Astrobytes: What's not to love? Why not keep repeating it, was a classic!
Aldoggen: true :)
Aldoggen: didn't expect it tho
PatrickMcGinnisII: if I nest a foreach of an associative array inside a foreach of an iterative, php barfs without an error...wth
Aldoggen: though I did see an ad on tv with images that are at least 5 years old
Astrobytes: re-runs are the new 'new'
Aldoggen: PatrickMcGinnisII lmao
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: what have I told you about this PHP nonsense?
Aldoggen: I've been laughing nonstop for the last minute over that
Aldoggen: something about patrick doing something that sounds to me very overengineered, and php just being like "nope, I'm out of here" gets me
Astrobytes: You just defined Patrick
Aldoggen: all right :)
Astrobytes: I've been trying to get him to switch back to something sensible like C for years now
Astrobytes: He's older than me, he should know better eh PatrickMcGinnisII
boumagik: Hello world
Astrobytes: tbf though, he knows some PHP, that's for sure
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have a tendancy to rewrite Assembler::Assembler when i do C++
Astrobytes: just do some C, it's fine
Aldoggen: hmm I don't know much about c++ but that sure doesn't sound kosher
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's an insanity that I picked up back when 16-bit compilers first came out
Astrobytes: there's nothing wrong with optimising but ffs dude you use PHP
Aldoggen: and I thought I was insane for writing all my math funcitons myself in java
Aldoggen: ayy top 400 in CoC
Astrobytes: grats
PatrickMcGinnisII: And I did alot of Java as well. So many things just to output a simple graphic ... so I write websites and custom graphics routines in php because it's just lazy/easier. Even the php cli graphics converters I run are easily modified w/o IDE and compiler overhead. I'll drop some fast lang. stuff here and there eventually.
Astrobytes: PHP for the job is fine, and even puzzles! (I like your commitment in that regard) but everything else on here man, jeezus
PatrickMcGinnisII: yes, it's very limiting. I'm reworking Galleon wars with a probability of collision detector to see if I can play without the depths others search to
Astrobytes: wtf is galleon wars
Astrobytes: ohhh coders of the caribbean
PatrickMcGinnisII: Green Circle event game me an idea about it. Code of Caribean.
PatrickMcGinnisII: I hate the new names btw
Astrobytes: You and most others
Astrobytes: The anti squid was responsible for a fair few of those
Astrobytes: euler's was Death First Search
Astrobytes: None of mine were accepted
PatrickMcGinnisII: I like the movie nerd names
Astrobytes: like CvZ should be called The Evil Thread
PatrickMcGinnisII: :thumbsup:
Astrobytes: ARmy of.. Smartness?
PatrickMcGinnisII: I gtg mow the lawn b4 it rains...glhf Aldoggen & Astrobytes
PatrickMcGinnisII: smh
Aldoggen: cya!
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: Happy mowing PatrickMcGinnisII
Aldoggen: ty Astrobytes
Therabidpanther: Hello all
PatrickMcGinnisII: ARSE = Army of SmartnEss
b0n5a1: PatrickMcGinnisII invest in a goat :D
Astrobytes: you're leaving too Aldoggen?
Astrobytes: b0n5a1: I'd advise at least 4
Aldoggen: I am not :)
Aldoggen: I was caught up in a particularly annoying coc
Astrobytes: ah I misread
PatrickMcGinnisII: nested foreach's startoing working when I added the option key to the interative loop
PatrickMcGinnisII: smh
Astrobytes: iterative
PatrickMcGinnisII: later
Aldoggen: someone thought it was a good idea to include wrong data in their coc which I had to fish out
Astrobytes: b0n5a1: I recommended an fr takeover of world earlier before the chat dies, it has to be at a busy time
Aldoggen: I don't know how that got approved
Astrobytes: nobody quite knows why half of those clashes get approved
Aldoggen: lmao
b0n5a1: :D
Astrobytes: it has to be done!
Astrobytes: if we can't keep it we can at least remember the last few days of it with fondness ^^
Aldoggen: we need to make a browser addon that adds it back or something lol
Astrobytes: there will be some alternative after but nothing will be the same as this one
Astrobytes: *alternatives
BlaiseEbuth: :turtle;
BlaiseEbuth: :turtle:
jacek: :frog:
Aldoggen: aha wow that was hard to debug for me
Astrobytes: pouvoir de la tortue!
Aldoggen: didn't see the semicolon
Westicles: les bourses du ponant!
Aldoggen: I still don't know what that means lol
BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:
jacek: omelette du fromage?
Aldoggen: don't forget croissant du baguette
Aldoggen: and if they start complaining just say how much you love the Eiffel tower
Aldoggen: jeeeim the tour of the Eiffel
Astrobytes: Ouais jacek, le laboratoire de Dexter
BlaiseEbuth: La frite has something to say une fois ?
jacek: and i know its au fromage
Astrobytes: évidemment jacek
Astrobytes: just wait til I start using possiblement
Westicles: as the french say, what is it that that is, that?
Remi.: ah on peut parler français aujourd'hu ?
BlaiseEbuth: Ban this guy!
Astrobytes: hahaha
Zorg1: oh yes a link on the code of conduct !
Remi.: i wawnt my taco first
Remi.: * want
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Zorg1: have you nice enough to have a taco Remi. ?
Zorg1: *been
Remi.: I don't know, i never palyed the game of taco
boumagik: *earned works too
Astrobytes: here is a :taco: for being you Remi. :P
Westicles: here you go https://imgur.com/GCRAT3B
BlaiseEbuth: :grin:
Zorg1: :D
Aldoggen: lmao
BlaiseEbuth: Sad I do not earn royalties on this...
Zorg1: :money_mouth:
b0n5a1: NFT BlaiseEbuth...NFT :D
Remi.: C'est toi Blaise qui a fait ce dessin ?
Westicles: Stoi l'desssin
BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah I did Remi.
Astrobytes: I love it when a plan comes together :D
Remi.: And royalties for the "Stoi" ? ^^
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Zorg1: hey Automaton2000 how are you ?
Automaton2000: you can go to bed
Astrobytes: That's you told Zorg1 :rofl:
Zorg1: yep
jgall: Good evening. Has anybody done https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/minimax-exercise ?
waterproofsodium: Astrobytes still stuck with markov chains :D
waterproofsodium: how would you figure out the probabilities shares as integers of a strongly connected component?
waterproofsodium: seems like a tricky problem
waterproofsodium: I think I have a solution, but it involves a linear equation solver and that makes me unhappy haha
waterproofsodium: since those things are a bit of a black box
Psyho: omg, I'm missing 2 more points for the fire spreading thing
Psyho: kill me
RJ21: heheh
RJ21: shoot!
HenroLST: dang thats aggressive
M0hammed: yes im the only one online
sqrtNOT: Awwww heck. I was trying to get the AI certification path "reach bronze league in 2 games" step so I tried dots and boxes. Only to realize there's not even a bronze league for dots and boxes after finishing my solution. OTL
