Miki09: fun fact: there are only 5 players using Bash, 2 players using clojure, 3players using D
Miki09: in the event
Miki09: So I think Im gonna rewrite my code to D to get "Cherry on the cake" achievvment
Westicles: this isn't a contest
Miki09: hmm
Miki09: so I cant get any achievments from it?
Westicles: you can ask thib, but I would guess not
Miki09: ok thanks
StevenV: this is a contest I think
Westicles: nah, it is a code event
StevenV: it is shown in the contest CP points, which should be a contest
StevenV: you can check that in your profile ranking
Miki09: But its not in "contests" tab
Westicles: code golf gets CP
StevenV: are you saying about green it?
StevenV: I am saying green-circle, it is in the contests tab.
Miki09: I mean contests tab in "compete"
StevenV: check your profile CP ranking
Westicles: the "start N events" achievement didn't increment like it does with a contest
StevenV: hmm
StevenV: I am confused now :D
Miki09: me too
Westicles: best to send a notarized letter to CG headquarters and ask
StevenV: :.
StevenV: I would say this is a contest, but how it impact achivement and ranking system is still in question.
Miki09: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
demoo: Hello, World
StevenV: ohio
StevenV: xin chao
Miki09: https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-hi-there-greetings-gif-9442662
eulerscheZahl: guess who ran out of free dynos again
StevenV: dynos, what is this?
eulerscheZahl: you need this to host a website on heroku
eulerscheZahl: 1 dyno = 1h of uptime. you get 550 per month
StevenV: ah
StevenV: thanks
Westicles: oh dear. how will I check if my Probability for Dummies puzzle has been done already?
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: can anyone help me?
DaNinja: unlikely
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: i am new to java and i am stuck on one of the easiest puzzles
DaNinja: whats the problem?
Aditya19: hey
Aditya19: What's up party people
eulerscheZahl: you didn't reply fast enough, so GumBox left?
DaNinja: guess so
iggy12345: what does Automated 1 Coding mean?
iggy12345: does anybody know?
DaNinja: coding is saved for use in releasing apps
iggy12345: after I play it?
DaNinja: after using CI on it, it is saved in your autos
DaNinja: and can olny be used for app releases
iggy12345: but I never used CI on it, I played Training, then Coding, Then Refactoring
iggy12345: My hand ends up with 1 CI and 4 Tech Debt
iggy12345: my program doesn't detect that I can release app #10 which contains 4 Coding and 4 CI, because Coding is no longer in my hand
DaNinja: so instead of playing it, output WAIT if you want to use it for release
iggy12345: I wanted to play it
iggy12345: apparently I can use it for release even though it's not in my hand
iggy12345: I think it's a bug
eulerscheZahl: no it's not a bug
eulerscheZahl: that's the whole point of automating cards
eulerscheZahl: you might have used RANDOM to automate something
DaNinja: ah gold at last, that was a struggle...
iggy12345: my program can't output RANDOM I took it out
eulerscheZahl: share a replay if you want answers
iggy12345: https://www.codingame.com/replay/646916354
eulerscheZahl: a certain frame to look at?
eulerscheZahl: the timeout i guess
iggy12345: I'm looking at frame 69
iggy12345: starting from frame 66
eulerscheZahl: frame 57: you print RANDOM. that's how you automate
eulerscheZahl: the timeout: you have 2 shoddy skills. you need 8 in total. can't release
iggy12345: I'm working on the timeout part, but I'm trying to figure out the whole code thing
iggy12345: is this information given in a frame that I can access from stdin?
iggy12345: how do I know that it's automated?
iggy12345: oh I see it
iggy12345: nvm
iggy12345: okay, so I don't get, why do I need 8 shoddy skills?
iggy12345: do I have to double up on shoddy skills to release an application?
eulerscheZahl: you need 8 skills. shoddy or the right ones for your application
eulerscheZahl: can be 8 right skills or 8 shoddy or 4+4 or whatever
eulerscheZahl: 8 in total. less shoddy = less technical debt
iggy12345: I had 2 daily routine stored tho, so that should give me enough? Plus the 1 CI in my hand?
eulerscheZahl: but you don't have them automated
eulerscheZahl: only hand + automated matters for release
iggy12345: then what's the point of permanent daily routine and architecture study then?
iggy12345: also, where is any of this documented?
eulerscheZahl: that you have more cards in your hand while starting the turn (architecture) or that you can pick cards from the neighboring desks when moving (daily routine)
eulerscheZahl: and it's written in the statement
eulerscheZahl: "DAILY_ROUTINE (2). This is a permanent skill: once played, it stays active until the team has released one application.
After moving, the team can get their new skill card from a desk one step away. If you play many cards, their effects will add up."
iggy12345: okay, that I get
iggy12345: but where's the whole automated stuff at?
eulerscheZahl: in the viewer?
eulerscheZahl: or statement?
iggy12345: the statement
eulerscheZahl: ctrl+F, "automate"
iggy12345: where does it say that only automated and hand count for releases?
DaNinja: in the CI section
eulerscheZahl: i agree that it could be more explicit
iggy12345: but the Daily routine says the same lingo as the CI section "Stays active until the team has released an application"
eulerscheZahl: if you speak Japanese, go to
https://tsukammo.hatenablog.com/entry/2022/06/17/032815
they often explain it better
iggy12345: I do not speak japanese lol
jacek: more understandable than statement ;v
eulerscheZahl: actually your quote is for routine and architecture. not for integration
eulerscheZahl: look closely
iggy12345: I know it is, but it's similar to continouous integration, which is what I said
eulerscheZahl: if you are the alt account of ceg, that's something you have to tell us
DaNinja: :D
jacek: Oo
iggy12345: I'm not? who's ceg
eulerscheZahl: another user who likes to ask the chat instead of reading the statement
iggy12345: I read the statement!
DaNinja: Bruno looing good for legend!
DaNinja: *looking
eulerscheZahl: yes, he did it
jacek: :tada:
ael-bekk: let's all submit our codes again to beat the boss
eulerscheZahl: your boss is too weak jacek
eulerscheZahl: 39 already, see what you've done
jacek: i put weaking timer
gfhnpkv: s1 has a good state machine tutorial?
eulerscheZahl: digraph {
s1 -> s2
}
eulerscheZahl: graphviz state machine starting with s1
putibuzu: Hello :)
jacek: :upside_down:
IsaicRobert: hi
Illedan: hi
wediaklup: hi
eulerscheZahl: hi
Nerchio: hi
Illedan: 2 => 2.5 either broke my bot. Or the game is too random :(
Nerchio: its random
Nerchio: but it might have broken your bot too
DomiKo: hi
wediaklup: hi
YurkovAS: hi
aCat: hi
jacek: c-c-c-combo breaker
Sheeesh---: FATALITY
eulerscheZahl: can we please ban jacek when we know the final day of the chat?
jacek: and when is the final day of the chat
eulerscheZahl: no idea
jacek: so ill never get banned
StevenV: which will replace this chat?
jacek: discord
StevenV: :(
Nerchio: my bot just lost 28 games in a row :joy:
Illedan: Todays contest: Gain the most Technical debt possible before bowwow finishes the game xD
Illedan: Max at 38 now :thinking:
Illedan: 49 :tada:
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647128276
Illedan: Like I almost win xD
darkhorse64: I need to rewrite everything. Can we extend the challenge ?
eulerscheZahl: you can make it your own challenge afterwards
darkhorse64: just kidding
BrunoFelthes: finally legend... now.. just want to read the PM
aCat: congratz Bruno :-)
BrunoFelthes: I think that i is the first time that i cant build a search engine that do not works :/
struct: grats bruno
Shivzee: sadge
jwpapi: hows the codeclash score calculated?
hassanlprogrammerhahah: :worried:
jacek: for score i bet its trueskill algorithm
struct: huge lead from 1st to 2nd
struct: ah i missread
struct: I thought it was 29 instead of 25
eulerscheZahl: you surely need some sleep
struct: I just slept 10 hours euler
struct: maybe its not enough
Astrobytes: sleep for 3 days straight post-contest struct ;)
struct: I just wont come back
Astrobytes: well, that's an option too I suppose
eulerscheZahl: sometimes i'm not sure how serious struct is with such statements
eulerscheZahl: don't take the whole legend or delete too serious. stay with us, please
Astrobytes: Agreed. His trolling is so well-honed it's difficult to say
struct: Well its just hard for me to cope with it mentally
Astrobytes: don't stress it man
eulerscheZahl: it's just a game after all
Astrobytes: ^
not worth torturing yourself over
eulerscheZahl: do you remember the 5% discussion from last year?
i don't remember the exact words, something like "not over-dramatize it, not calling it a contest". i hate to bring this up, but i think i should remind you
struct: I said that?
struct: :p
Astrobytes: something along those lines :D
eulerscheZahl: G-Rom did
Astrobytes: on discord
Astrobytes: During the Big Discussion
eulerscheZahl: written discussion that i was somehow expecting to take place on voice
Astrobytes: Yeah.
struct: ah
Mengshang: gn.
Astrobytes: was part of the fun vs competition thing
Mengshang: :joy:
hassanlprogrammerhahah: :flag_iq:
Mengshang: :flag_cn:
Mengshang: I love it.
jacek: w00t https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a91eGW6_700bwp.webp
_Royale: eulerscheZahl :scream:
Astrobytes: :rofl:
struct: is that ice cream?
Astrobytes: Looks like it
nacharov: IceFrog :joy:
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647295331?f=17
struct: On this frame, I should have used continuous right?
struct: instead of waiting and completing
Astrobytes: I have no idea about this game any more
eulerscheZahl: oh dear
eulerscheZahl: i hope it's just hibernating
Astrobytes: not sure toads hibernate cryogenically
eulerscheZahl: and yes struct: definitely automate the bonus
eulerscheZahl: but i'm fine. must be either daiver or ranarama in that picture
Astrobytes: lol
struct: thanks
struct: now to change that without breaking the test
struct: rest*
actualCoderTrevor: Does it hurt your CP / ranking to join a contest but not participate?
struct: yes
struct: yes and no
actualCoderTrevor: Oh no I better get cracking
struct: Older contests will give less points for everyone
struct: so everyone will lose points
eulerscheZahl: it's not about joining. it's about not playing. you will lose CP for not participating regardless of registration state
actualCoderTrevor: Okay thanks for that explanation :)
actualCoderTrevor: *those explanations
therealbeef: but doesn't it use only the result from your best 3 contests for ranking?
MSmits: yes, but your best 3 all get worse
MSmits: (with each missed contest)
therealbeef: isn't that regardless of joining
MSmits: yes regardless
MSmits: but your new result might replace one of the ones that got worse
MSmits: if you do join
MrAZF: hey guys
MSmits: it will for me for sure
MSmits: havent had a good contestresult in a long time
therealbeef: i've never had a good one hehe
Astrobytes: and you missed at least one
MrAZF: I have a question
MSmits: i missed the last one and the witch one
MSmits: i did oceans and pacman seriously, not sure if there were any others lately
therealbeef: what made you get hooked for the current one?
Astrobytes: you did the photosynthesis one right?
MSmits: oh right that one too
MSmits: but i was like 100th there
MSmits: oceans/pacman i had a better result
MSmits: i am not sure therealbeef
Astrobytes: sheer willpower and determination I think ;)
MSmits: yeah i think so
MSmits: i liked the probability part, but my new bot is a mc bot and it's not yet better
MSmits: so no more fancy probability calculus, just FastRand(x)
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: you also get CP when the game comes back as a multiplayer. case closed
struct: oh my
struct: top 11 gold
struct: There is hope
Astrobytes: you can do it!
jacek: you need more probability stuff
Astrobytes: or moar random
Razovsky: clock is ticking
Razovsky: jacek the gold boss is your code
Razovsky: i dont understand sht to what it does
Razovsky: nothing seems logic yet it wins
Razovsky: XD
Astrobytes: Magic ;)
jacek: i dont understand it either
Illedan: Me neither
struct: You dont need to understand
emh: my sim+heuristic can only do around 50 games per turn so the win ratios are not statistically significant. I failed to optimize prematurely. might have more bugs also, already rooted out quite a few
struct: 50 games until end?
emh: yes
struct: how long is the average game?
emh: let me check
emh: I think it's quite high, like 200
jacek: thats max limit
struct: too long to get decent results imo
struct: but I can be wrong
Westicles: what's the best c++ rand, something with intrinsics?
emh: I'm not sure but my turns might be 2x though, so 200 means 100
emh: because I've got "++" two places
emh: I don't even understand my own code hehe
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58096/how-to-randomize-bits-and-integers-efficiently-in-c
therealbeef: define best
eulerscheZahl: fast, equal distribution
therealbeef: thats two criteria
eulerscheZahl: and in no obvious order
struct: https://lemire.me/blog/2019/03/19/the-fastest-conventional-random-number-generator-that-can-pass-big-crush/
eulerscheZahl: 1,2,3,4,5,... would also fit the first 2 criteria
Westicles: okay thanks, I tried Xoroshiro and it didn't make much difference vs. <random>
Astrobytes: thats the one in the article struct
struct: ah :p
Astrobytes: amongst others
jacek: for simulation this game maybe java random would be best
Westicles: I mean, it is probably 5x faster but I'm not rng limited
Sheeesh---: when you use CI it goes to discard ?
Sheeesh---: can someone remind me
Sheeesh---: i'm losing braincells
kovi: sure it goes
kovi: i mean first played
struct: it goes to played cards first but yeah
Sheeesh---: thank you
BrunoFelthes: The CI goes to played_hand and then to discard, and the other card goes to your automated
eulerscheZahl: but when you CI on another CI, one goes to automated
emh: hmm.. I calculated the average game length in a different way and now it looks like it's.. surprise... 42. 42.9 to be exact. while averaging on move phases it looks like 13.9. but these numbers ignore all the skipped phases
emh: must be something wrong
MSmits: 13.9 seems fine
BrunoFelthes: at least at legend, it is 5/6 turn preparing, and others 5/6 finishing
struct: your heuristics are doing a good job then
BrunoFelthes: at least, it it my heuristic... preparing for 5 turns, and go crazy for 5
MSmits: more like go crazy for 11 days tbh :P
emh: without the heuristic the average move phases is 93
BrunoFelthes: huhuhua, yes.. this contest, made me crazy.. my MC did not worked, i'm very frustated...
struct: Sounds about right emh
struct: I can try my MC if you want
struct: to check how many move phases I get
MSmits: my MC didnt work either, i've given up
struct: same
MSmits: well it did work, but far from beating my other bot
struct: yeah it had around 30% win rate
struct: so not great
MSmits: did a full sim check, it worked perfectly
MSmits: i just dont know what heuristics to use
MSmits: it requires understanding the game
MSmits: which i barely do
BrunoFelthes: what are you using MSmits?
MSmits: my best bot is a full search
MSmits: of turn 1
emh: struct if you feel like it
BrunoFelthes: me to MSmits
emh: but don't waste time so close to end of contest
BrunoFelthes: but for the first move, I have a opening book for the first 5 turn... it is giant
MSmits: does it help a lot?
BrunoFelthes: i think yes
struct: its fine emh it will take me 2 minutes
MSmits: I might improve mine
BrunoFelthes: i have a map from the player and me and the cards that i need to opening to get 4 bonus
MSmits: i have just a few moves
MSmits: oh I see
MSmits: I just take 5 in the first few turns and automate bonus, after that it's done by eval
BrunoFelthes: in general, the game starts is equals...
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: i do see why its helpful
BrunoFelthes: WoW, ValGrowth assumes the leadership... Japan is dominating codingame
BrunoFelthes: Are they know each other?
struct: emh 1000 games from the start
struct: until a player reaches score 5
struct: number of phases that equal MOVE
struct: 105.018
struct: average
MSmits: btw struct, i started using assert today, quite useful
MSmits: saved some time finding bugs
struct: good :p
struct: yeah
IvesL: is there any promo among japanese?
therealbeef: there's real prizes
IvesL: where
struct: for this contest
therealbeef: not just a t-shirt
IvesL: where is the info
struct: https://www.codingame.com/ide/challenge/green-circle
struct: scroll
struct: ups thats ide
emh: struct thank you
emh: you don't have heuristic?
struct: a few
struct: like not making usless moves
struct: here IvesL https://www.codingame.com/contests/green-circle
IvesL: oh i totally missed it last week
IvesL: but how will the prize be allocated
IvesL: cuz in kaggle, iirc, only american can receive prize, not sure if it applies similarly here
struct: no idea
struct: maybe some countries are not eligible
IvesL: CodinGame & Societe Generale employees are not eligible to these prizes.
IvesL: do CG employees actually participate?
IvesL: never seen one on leaderboard
MSmits: yeah they do
MSmits: they usually dont rank very high, but they do
emh: damnit I don't understand.. I printed the move phases per game and histogrammed it and they are all 16 or more (except one 11) how can the average be lower than 16. must be a calc bug
jacek: SG Sebatien is in low gold
MSmits: emh do you take into account the start of the search?
MSmits: on average your search does not start in the beginning of the game
emh: I'm just doing the first move now
MSmits: ah ok
IvesL: omg
IvesL: they are so young, i feel so old
IvesL: really impressive people
jacek: oO
MSmits: who are you talking about?
MSmits: can't be me, I was around in the last millenium
IvesL: the japanese leading
MSmits: oh ok
jacek: must be the diet
emh: ahh grrrrrrrr found the bug. was incrementing total in two places
therealbeef: mostly surprised by the small amount of french in the top of the ranking; usually the top is >50% french i think
therealbeef: *number
MSmits: around 50% average
emh: 24.26 move phases on average
MSmits: did you have a bug?
Nerchio: japan is strong lately in events
emh: yes in the move phase average calc
MSmits: ah ok
emh: but you said 13.9 is how it should be?
emh: so 24 is way too high
MSmits: i am not sure what you are measuring. I am just looking at top games
MSmits: they are not 24 turns long
emh: I count move phases for both players. are we on the same page?
MSmits: ohhh
MSmits: i count them as 1
emh: ahh ok
MSmits: problem solved
emh: nice
HPQ123: hello worl
Astrobytes: d
MSmits: if you fail on hello world, programming is not for you :P
Astrobytes: :rofl:
MSmits: but hi HPQ123
MSmits: well I had a tiny improvement on my bot
MSmits: found a simbug with asserts
MSmits: small one
MSmits: at most it's 1 or 2 ranks prolly
Astrobytes: asserts ftw
jacek: print("dupa") debugging is the best
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: nice
Nerchio: lol xd
Nerchio: i like print("wtf")
MSmits: i do this
MSmits: (as well)
Nerchio: or print("i am here") XD
MSmits: yep have done
Nerchio: well debugging is a little bit of a pain on codingame
struct: mines are more like
struct: WHY?????????????
aCat: "i am here 1"
"I am here 2"
"I am here 3"
MSmits: i did that too struct
Astrobytes: cerr << "here", cerr << "here2", cerr << <expletives>
Astrobytes: etc etc
aCat: used it a lot to know where it blows up :joy_cat:
struct: test 1 test 2 test 3
MSmits: man, you guys are making me feel really unoriginal here
Astrobytes: sometimes I use a random word like "wombat" for instance
struct: who MSmits?
struct: ah
aCat: but usually i use some number of xe'es
MSmits: all of you, literally everything you guys just posted i have used in debug :P
aCat: or "xxxx" "yyy" "aaa 1"
Astrobytes: aCat hahaha yes
_Royale: "here1" "here2" then "here1.1" between?
Astrobytes: hm, versioning. Might have to use that next time
Westicles: no europeans in the top5, wow
Westicles: ok nvm
aCat: Rolyale - YES! that happens also :D
_Royale: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: Nerchio 06:08ᴾᴹ
japan is strong lately in events
we should take our revenge by infiltrating atcoder optim contests
Nerchio: euler i dont even know what that is haha
Nerchio: but feel free to infiltrate :joy:
eulerscheZahl: this was their last: sliding puzzle to build a large tree
https://img.atcoder.jp/ahc011/df8bb452a2.html?lang=en&seed=0&output=RRRDLUULDDDDLUUUR
eulerscheZahl: optimize by tree size. if you find a max size tree, optimize by taking the fewest steps (spoiler: they did find optimal trees)
eulerscheZahl: click the play button
eulerscheZahl: you can also play manually with your arrow keys
struct: getting beaten here is enough for me
Nerchio: euler your 1 turn search is doing alright top17
eulerscheZahl: finished my submit around 30, drifted to 13th
eulerscheZahl: now dropping again
eulerscheZahl: rock paper scissors is strong with me
eulerscheZahl: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/green-circle/eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: and mr xo hates me
Nerchio: I had a lot of losses around top50 against him when I was climbing in gold
Nerchio: it makes sense now that he is in legend :P
Nerchio: I have a winning winratio vs Val :joy:
Nerchio: number 1
Nerchio: nice game
eulerscheZahl: i'll just park my bot where it is and end the contest right here and there
Nerchio: i did the same
eulerscheZahl: and cheer for the boss to annoy a few more
Nerchio: :joy: for others to feel the same suffering?
Nerchio: honestly I think it wasn't even the boss, just a couple of decent bots in the top with randomness of the game
eulerscheZahl: because they can randomly drift above me if they promote
jacek: :no_mouth:
galuso: help
galuso: dunno how to solve the following problem:
galuso: given input (0example): Groot am I
galuso: esxpected output (example);
I am Groot
wediaklup: You could split the input by " " and then iterate backwards over it and print the words
struct: how to handle anxiety?
eulerscheZahl: this chat can't give psychological or medical advice, we are not doctors
Astrobytes: it's not easy struct
Astrobytes: I can, from experience
Astrobytes: but everyone is different
ael-bekk: we need more people that beat's the boss to submit there code
Astrobytes: I ended up needing medication for mine struct, helped a ton
Nerchio: i started running, helped a ton :D
struct: maybe I should start cycling again
darkhorse64: take it easy, cook a cake, mow grass
Astrobytes: Yeah, lots of ways to do it
MSmits: definitely a good idea strut
struct: But I cant yet, my leg is stil la bit injured
MSmits: struct
MSmits: walking helps if you can do that
Astrobytes: If you get that release from cycling then do it
MSmits: I actually had a doctor advise me on the cycling
Nerchio: beating euler in challenges also seems to help
eulerscheZahl: not me
eulerscheZahl: i hate myself, i submitted again :(
Astrobytes: I'm not allowed to cycle any more :(
eulerscheZahl: i'm even bad at quitting
MSmits: that sucks astro :(
Astrobytes: lol, cause toads never quit ;)
eulerscheZahl: your bone density?
Astrobytes: yes
Astrobytes: It's more regarding the spinal part, sadly
struct: :/
struct: Are you able to do any sport?
Astrobytes: walking/running/cycling were my things
Astrobytes: Not if it involves standing up for long periods or stresses my spien struct
Astrobytes: *spine
Astrobytes: it really sucks
Astrobytes: I miss hiking and camping a lot
eulerscheZahl: any hope that it gets better?
eulerscheZahl: i remember you were waiting for a doctors appointment really long
Astrobytes: Possible. At the rate our health service is going I might die of old age first :rofl:
Astrobytes: Still waiting for that particular one!
Had a lot of others since though
eulerscheZahl: let's invite you to Germany. and then call an ambulance for something minor and get you checked in the process
Astrobytes: hahaha health tourism
Nerchio: germany health care is :100:
eulerscheZahl: i've read a story of an American travelling to Japan for a heart surgery
Astrobytes: *healthcare tourism
eulerscheZahl: while in the US they are like "i broke my arm. but don't call an ambulance, i can't pay that"
Astrobytes: Sometimes certain specialists are only available in one or more select country so some folks have no choice but to travel, if they can
Astrobytes: Yes euler, horrific
Astrobytes: Monetization of healthcare is one of the most evil things we have ever come up with as a species
struct: what happens if I go visit the us and break an arm?
Nerchio: I think our species can do worse Astrobytes :joy:
Crosility: Had to take my child to the hospital for a 104 degree F (40C) fever, a few months ago. Before she turned 2. It cost me ~400 USD WITH insurance. Trust me, America healthcare sucks.
eulerscheZahl: no idea if my German health insurance would cover that
Astrobytes: Your travel health insurance will kick in struct, if not, you will have a huge bill
Astrobytes: Nerchio: well, yes, but the point still stands
Nerchio: you are from US? you have an UK flag
Astrobytes: I'm Scottish, in the UK
eulerscheZahl: yet somehow a lot of people in the US are against mandatory health insurance
eulerscheZahl: also those who would benefit
Astrobytes: It's a "paying for poor people/immigrants" issue euler
Astrobytes: remember, anything left of centre-right in US is "communist" to them
a-Rye: So, our ambulance rides alone sometimes cost $4,000 - $8,000, depending on what the needs are. We have government healthcare, but it's slow to catch on. I'm on Medicaid myself and pay the premium when I make too much money.
ael-bekk: the boss's score is higher now :disappointed:
Astrobytes: Terrible situation a-Rye
a-Rye: One time, my mom drove school bus to take a football player to the hospital, so it wouldn't cost anything. She regularly drove the busses for school events and offered it over paying for an ambulance
Nerchio: damn legend is 50+ already :eyes:
Nerchio: nvm
Nerchio: wrong game
a-Rye: Meh, it's getting better Astrobytes lol. It could be worse than just paying a lot of money.
Astrobytes: I guess. I have some friends who do that "informal ambulance" thing with their own van
a-Rye: Also, if anyone has ideas for character comments in video games, feel free to drop a comment on my playground. I'm adding some basic code to help with generating character messages for game dev tutorial type stuff. https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/64843/beginner-python-concepts/example-algorithms
a-Rye: I need some funny, serious, catchy, or whatever type messages that NPCs might say to a warrior/hero/traveler
DrunkeyCPP: how do I know if I just played coding the previous turn? that is how do I know if I can play 2 cards this time
Astrobytes: I'll take a look tomorrow a-Rye
eulerscheZahl: hasta la vista baby
Astrobytes: also "groovy!"
a-Rye: Thanks Astrobytes! I'm being really lazy on here since I started working again
struct: DrunkeyCPP I just check which action I outputed
eulerscheZahl: i can relate, was more active when i was still in university
Astrobytes: I think a lot of us are lazy on here these days
eulerscheZahl: coding a bot after coding at work is exhausting. the community feeling of the contest definitely helps
eulerscheZahl: when you started, it's not even that hard to keep going for me. the first step to get into it is the hard part
a-Rye: I see all this chat about the card game and want to look at it, but yeah I'm too tired after work to really put in any effort. Still, it's fun to see others doing it
DrunkeyCPP: struct you store your last move in a global?
eulerscheZahl: k4ng0u just 0.02 behind the boss
struct: I just increase my moves allowed DrunkeyCPP when i output it
eulerscheZahl: should i store if i have to THROW 1 or 2 cards? :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: do i somehow get that in input (current number of cards)?
DomiKo: nope
eulerscheZahl: right, opponent might have given one to me
DomiKo: you always have to throw 2 cards, so you can count how many times you got throw phase
eulerscheZahl: current == throw, last != throw => 2
eulerscheZahl: i think i should add this
DomiKo: yeah
a-Rye: Done and done, eulerscheZahl has "Hasta la vista, baby" under "eZ"
a-Rye: and Astrobytes has "groovy" under "aB". Thanks!
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: Fame has found me at last
eulerscheZahl: context?
eulerscheZahl: what did i sign up to?
Astrobytes: lol, nothing
Astrobytes: You gave a suggestion for a game character (NPC) speech
Astrobytes: For a-Rye's python tutorial playground on techio
a-Rye: lol sorry, just a mention in my playground. Nothing serious!
mpt: I can comprehend something in the Green Circle event. When trying to release an app I get "incorrect input" even though I think it is valid. If there is an app that requires 2 skills with a value of 5 and I have 5 bonus cards in hand I should always be able to release it, no? The C++ sample kit also seems to agree with that.
mpt:
a-Rye: And no real name either, hence the identifiers "eZ" and "aB"
The_Duck: mpt is it the 5th app? that requires you to use no shoddy skills
struct: mpt replay?
Astrobytes: ^ your anonymity is safe R**** *******
mpt: Thank you The_Duck! That is probably it.
struct: it should be yeah
mpt: Cheers. Kinda misleading sample code tbh. :D
Astrobytes: the C++ starter?
mpt: yea
Astrobytes: yeah, it is a bit misleading
struct: nice I bet the boss 2
struct: I promoted some1
IvesL: giving 1 skill card to opponent or discarding 2 skill card at admin is a better choice?
Astrobytes: depends on the skill cards and situation at the time
kovi: also dont forget, that sooner or later you have to pay the admin toll
struct: dont forget to pay the mod toll aswell
Illedan: Don't need to pay admin
Illedan: If you finish all applications before passing
eulerscheZahl: "^ your anonymity is safe R**** *******"
the number of asterisks adds up :scream:
Astrobytes: we all did RAIC
eulerscheZahl: true
struct: I didnt
eulerscheZahl: your clear name for a tshirt
Astrobytes: Yup
struct: how many games should I do to tell if a version is better?
eulerscheZahl: offline testing is fairly useless for me
Astrobytes: still waiting to hear back re. RAIC prize situation btw, from db f or nnovich, I suspect they'll hear something through the week
eulerscheZahl: i see a strong rock paper scissors effect
eulerscheZahl: in this case it's ok to ping dbf ;)
Astrobytes: lol
jacek: hm?
eulerscheZahl: you were not pinged
a-Rye: ooh, there's Rock Paper Scissors Spock Lizard (from Big Bang Theory tv show) on the Code Wars! Just a more complex Rock Paper Scissors algorithm.
struct: I think its also here
Astrobytes: yeah there's a puzzle somewhere
struct: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock
eulerscheZahl: i wouldn't call that an algorithm
eulerscheZahl: more like a relations table
struct: its more like an AI
eulerscheZahl: true AI
Astrobytes: :D
a-Rye: Oh thanks struct ! I thought there was one here too, but I didn't want to misspeak. Also didn't want to take the time to check, so thanks for the link!
Astrobytes: Laziness FTW :D
struct: np is not like I can code with my 4 threads busy
eulerscheZahl: you can't check with my puzzle search
eulerscheZahl: ran out of dynos again
jacek: youre so cheap
Astrobytes: that, she, said
eulerscheZahl: in germany credit cards aren't that common. i don't have one and it's the only payment method accepted by heroku
struct: jacek I just dont upgrade because I get almost the same performance that I get on CG
struct: same arch
Astrobytes: The only payment option is credit card? Weird. Excludes me too then.
jacek: Astrobytes did you know england won world cup in 1966
eulerscheZahl: vs germany
struct: arent there prepaid credit cards?
Astrobytes: jacek: shut up
struct: Maybe not
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: hetzner has cheap hosting, starting at 4-5 € per month
jacek: struct yeah i made bigger model but it just plateus
eulerscheZahl: i would still have to register a domain
Astrobytes: Honestly, it's all the English talk about because they have nothing else to brag about in football
struct: jacek dont say that
struct: Nobody knew
struct: ...
jacek: i revealed your secret
struct: thanks
a-Rye: I love how global CG is
Astrobytes: heh heh, it's quite diverse
eulerscheZahl: but with disproportional French/European fraction
Astrobytes: True. Lots from ex/current French colonies though
MSmits: not today
MSmits: disproportional Japanese :P
Astrobytes: hehehe
eulerscheZahl: :D
jacek: and lots of ex britain colonies eh
Astrobytes: I'm Scottish jacek
Astrobytes: and not a Unionist
eulerscheZahl: no genuinely don't know what that means
jacek: so braveheart of you
Astrobytes: I'm Scottish republican (not in the US sense) as in pro-independence for Scotland (and unity for Ireland, independence for Wales)
Astrobytes: Unionists want the UK/Great Britain
MSmits: does Northern Ireland want to be one with the rest of Ireland?
Astrobytes: The opinions are heading in that direction now, post-brexit. Remember, neither NI or Scotland voted for it
Astrobytes: *nor
MSmits: ah I see
eulerscheZahl: oh, that's some complicated match-up
PatrickMcGinnisII: not sure if i should call this luck or skill https://www.codingame.com/replay/647480128
Astrobytes: If it's reproduceable it's skill, otherwise luck
Astrobytes: :P
Glyptod0n: I think I'm going crazy, I'm just not seeing how this app can be released:
Application(id=27, card_needed=[0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 4])
While I have: HAND 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
and AUTOMATED 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Michael_Howard: Either shoddy or bonuses
The_Duck: yeah you can release with 2 good and 6 shoddy skills
Glyptod0n: oh wait nvm; thanks guys
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh great, now I'm 19th in silver and have to submit, y is it so stressful?
COCIMINO: Hi all, i solve the puzzle but don't understand the mechanism :joy:
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm gonna push keelhaul into gold
PatrickMcGinnisII: who else needs a push?
eulerscheZahl: he's staff, he probably has a button to push himself
Astrobytes: in case of emergency last day non-gold: break glass and press red button
Astrobytes: he improved a lot tho
BugKiller_328: hi
BugKiller_328: Can I use external library when I make program here?
BugKiller_328: for example use numpy in python
eulerscheZahl: numpy is supported
Astrobytes: <faq link here>
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/languages-versions
eulerscheZahl: haha
Astrobytes: :D
BugKiller_328: thank you
emh: I give up. no Legend for me
PatrickMcGinnisII: push me up Astrobytes
JoeFather: where can i find some tasty asbestos
jacek: oO
eulerscheZahl: in the garden shack of my mom
struct: aCat destroying me, gl
Astrobytes: the old pub near my local shopping centre
eulerscheZahl: at university we had 2 identical looking buildings. then they teared one of them down because of asbestos
aCat: sorry
Astrobytes: Patrick++
aCat: it is so concrete around the boss
struct: its fine, if you are close at the end ill submit
Astrobytes: Had the same at school euler
aCat: I'm trying various chancges since 12 hours
aCat: I was winning against the boss - but nearly never played with him
aCat: this vesrion seems worse agains boss
aCat: but is finally in top6
eulerscheZahl: and in the gym in school we suddenly had plastic cover the whole ceiling
jacek: 4 wins in a row
aCat: so maybe I had bad luck in IDE ;]
Astrobytes: this town is full of asbestos (the bad kind), probably why it's so run down
aCat: oh man, I wil go pry to RNGsus
Astrobytes: :D
aCat: also - I was tewaking against people I was losing
aCat: and before I ship my improvements they were usually in legend ;]
aCat: so I was losing heavily against everyone else
aCat: ;p
bi0phaz3: It's nice to still see familiar names after not being on this site for years
Astrobytes: crusty old users never leave
jacek: until the chat is gone
Astrobytes: aye :(
Illedan: :(
jacek: https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/aKjqVV3/akR6LxMd_700wv_0.mp4
eulerscheZahl: you have some weird obsession about sharing toad
eulerscheZahl: i like it
jacek: :innocent:
Astrobytes: :D
iggy12345: why is it that when I send parameters from matches that I had in the arena to my ide, either the bug disappears, or it turns out that I win when I play?
eulerscheZahl: random opponents or random you?
iggy12345: oh true, I guess if I did use random that might change it a bit
jacek: manipulating random eh
jacek: is it bad that RANDOM uses the game's random instance?
iggy12345: wait, if I seed the rng, does that effect the opponent's rng too?
eulerscheZahl: of course not
eulerscheZahl: that would be horrible
eulerscheZahl: does the RANDOM command of the game even use random?
jacek: public MoveAction createMoveAction(Game game, GamePlayer player) {
int zoneId=(player.getZoneId() + 1 + game.getRandom().nextInt(Config.ZONES_COUNT-1)) % Config.ZONES_COUNT;
return new MoveAction(zoneId, zoneId);
}
eulerscheZahl: just round it myself. you are right
eulerscheZahl: found
eulerscheZahl: game.getRandom().nextInt(Config.ZONES_COUNT-1)) % Config.ZONES_COUNT
eulerscheZahl: what's that modulo good for?
mpt: In the Green Circle event, is the number of skill cards left on the locations not part of the input?
eulerscheZahl: no. add up all the cards in hand, discard, ... to get it
struct: they are not you need to check the cards given and subtract
struct: but watch out for the passive skills
mpt: hmkay, thanks
struct: like architecture and daily routine
eulerscheZahl: the permanent skills that aren't permanet
Astrobytes: hehehe
DarkHunter98: hello
jacek: :upside_down:
struct: 12 hours left o.o
aCat: and 4 minutes!!!
aCat: they may be important ;]
Astrobytes: and just under 30 seconds
Astrobytes: 5
Astrobytes: 3
Astrobytes: 0
emh: ok I'm having a glass of white and watching the birds outside and the clock tick
jacek: white? oO
emh: wine
Astrobytes: sounds good to me emh
JoeFather: oO
JoeFather: Oo
Astrobytes: struct: take a lil break, get some fresh air, return reinvigorated
jacek: dont jacek here
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: not when jacek is here to do the jaceking
emh: I figure to win I need to either learn probability theory or optimize the hell out of my bot
emh: but I don't feel like it
jacek: who needs probability in this game :unamused;
jacek: :unamused:
iggy12345: are the applications always the same for each game? If not, are they always the same in regards to the number assigned?
aCat: they are the same
aCat: I mean there is pool of 28 apps
jacek: app id 3 is the same in all games
aCat: and you have random 12 of them in every game
eulerscheZahl: there can only be 28. binom(8, 2)
eulerscheZahl: but they are given in the order in which they are drawn, if anyone still wants to reverse the RNG
iggy12345: I'm just thinking of devising a way to choose which apps I go for instead of computing a turn distance
emh: I deactivated my sim and use pure heuristic so at least I have a decent placement in Gold for the end
Astrobytes: oh the sim didn't work out?
emh: nope
emh: I think it's too slow to have enough games to decide what is better
Astrobytes: keep it for the multiplayer version
emh: yeah
Astrobytes: that's what I'll do with my half-written sim code
iggy12345: dang it, my bot is losing to somebody that's still just using RANDOM from the beginner code
JoeFather: sussy
JoeFather: good bye
Michael_Howard: Helpful hints and roasts please!
As P1: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647548068
As P2: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647550471
Michael_Howard: Highest finish is Gold #6 (twice)
Michael_Howard: No sleep till legend. And I have work tomorrow. :persevere:
Michael_Howard: I will get Swift into legend if it kills me.
The_Duck: in game 1, stacking 2 DR is kinda weird, I've never seen anyone else do that. Then on frame 20 you should automate a bonus rather than taking training. Frame 31 you throw away a CI which you should instead use to automate another bonus. similarly frame 53 maybe consider moving to 7 and automating a bonus
emh: wow I've been climbing from rank 20+ to rank 10 due to submits
BrunoFelthes: man, the interface is horrible, to see this decisions
Michael_Howard: Thanks The_Duck - will check that out. :duck:
BrunoFelthes: Michael_Howard, as player 2, to get legend, I was more greed... at turn 23 for ex, you should move close and delivery an app instead of loop to the training and discard two cards.. but you won this game, why are you looking for advise?
MSmits: well thats it for me. Out of ideas. I tried everything I could think of, but stuck bottom legend. I think I should count myself really lucky I was able to get past jacekboss
aCat: oh yeah
aCat: I'm still below :(
Illedan: You can do it!
aCat: I am trying!
aCat: thx for support Ille ^^
jacek: :innocent:
Darleanow: hey everyone
Darleanow: i had a question about tower-dereference
Darleanow: when a tower is already placed so you can't build another on top of it
Darleanow: how can you know if u got the error message
Darleanow: Darleanow: Tile (6/4) is occupied by another tower already
emh: Darleanow usually you don't know in the code when you get an error, so you need to validate your placement by your code
Astrobytes: ahhh battles now back at regular contest speed :D
Astrobytes: maybe not regular contest last day speed but ... hey :D
aCat: yeah submit is awful
elderlybeginner: Anyone eager to drop me some tips? It's would be nice to add a few ifs to heuristics and jump into gold.
here is an example battle:
https://www.codingame.com/replay/647577587
Aldoggen: lol boss be churning out those apps and racking up the technical debt
putibuzu: @elderlybeginner try to get automated bonuses, i.e. use CI on bonuses, hold back a little bit on the release for the first few turns
elderlybeginner: thanks, I will look into that
Aldoggen: gl!
IvesL: how can the boss get 5th app with so many debts
Illedan: Luck
IvesL: it has less automated cards than mine
IvesL: and 4times more debt than mine
IvesL: but that shouldnt just be luck, because i can only win 5% of the game
struct: so much lag
PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0e75567b-c6c4-4fe0-b717-d8e548ec2aae
PatrickMcGinnisII: ^ elderlybeginner
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, invalid paste
PatrickMcGinnisII: elderlybeginner do more CI than arch study, basically
PatrickMcGinnisII: and try to do arch study on turn 0 as player 0...then CI should come naturally next
elderlybeginner: PatrickMcGinnisII here is another one:
https://www.codingame.com/replay/647592351
PatrickMcGinnisII: elderlybeginner try arch on turn 0, whole things will unfold differently
PatrickMcGinnisII: I onlt take debt of 3 or less until score is 3, then I'll take more ... waiting on releases can get u automated earlier
elderlybeginner: arch disapper with releases, I only play it when score == 4
Sheeesh---: you can't play training after training?
elderlybeginner: I'm going with debt < 5, that's not big difference, but I will check
struct: you can
PatrickMcGinnisII: I shoudl talk less, my rank keeps going down
PatrickMcGinnisII: i've done like 4 puzzles during this Event
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: i need help
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: mentally and codingly
Sheeesh---: you're not alone buddy
aCat: definitely not alone...
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: There is no Spoon - Episode 1 - java any help?
struct: There is a contest going I cant help you today sorry
struct: I remember I solved that puzzle first on paper though, but this was like 5 years ago
Astrobytes: welcome to codingasylum! I mean codingame! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Astrobytes: we're all crazy cause of the contest GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg
Astrobytes: it's a tough time to ask for advice on puzzles
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: also btw but my name in a mc server address or join minehut.gg and do /join GumBoxPVP
Astrobytes: Yeah no we won't do that
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: ;(
Astrobytes: I mean, a lot of us are adults
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: i only earnt $10
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: i need more
Astrobytes: go elsewhere
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: $10 isnt gonna keep me alive
struct: stop spamming
Sheeesh---: well that that escalated quickly
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: im spamming?
Astrobytes: Yes.
struct: Well maybe its not spamming but keep conversation related to programming
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: if you say so....
Astrobytes: Sheeesh---: interwebz :D
Astrobytes: It's spamming about your own content so spam confirmed
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: i rlly need help why did they make it so hard
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: its only like the third thing
aCat: yes Shun_PI please go to legend!
Kayafu: GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg : try to use two-dimensional arrays and nested loops :)
struct: noo dont
struct: I had good win rate vs him
aCat: I have terrible
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: Kayafu i dont even know what i must do
struct: also kha o must go to legend
struct: he beats me so hard
aCat: and since 4 hours I randomly change contsnatns in code
GumBoxPVP.minehut.gg: i gtg anyways...
struct: everyone is beating me now o.o
aCat: any normal changes that seams very reasonable simply does not work :(
Illedan: Tell me about it
aCat: oh - winstreak
struct: losstreak :D
aCat: damn below gold boss is so thick
Kayafu: any tips to beat the gold league boss ? :sweat_smile:
aCat: be better than him and/or those around him
aCat: the first is simpler
Illedan: Need to beat all
aCat: but you will have no chance playing against him because of hardcore concrete below
aCat: bad struct :(
struct: sry
aCat: so random here really
struct: yeah
aCat: this game is awfully random and rock/paper./scissor
aCat: so pray to matchmaker
DomiKo: I still don't know how to play it
Donotalo: this is a frustrating game for me
Donotalo: i don't understand what's a good strategy
struct: Push the boss down
struct: Im still waiting for recurse NN to beat the boss 100-0
struct: and promote me
struct: :)
aCat: sounds like a plan
Astrobytes: lol what
struct: or maybe daporan
struct: Someone has to be hiding
Donotalo: even the problem description is hard to decipher
Astrobytes: ain't seen no recurse action round here for a while, I mean he has little recurse to deal with anyway
Donotalo: i needed 7-8 days to understand it properly
struct: recurse was online
struct: 2 days before contest
Astrobytes: oh really?
struct: but he didnt type
struct: my recurse alert allerted me
struct: "jacek"
Astrobytes: quietly monitoring things :D
Astrobytes: lol struct
Astrobytes: fucking 5th
struct: mado take me with you
Astrobytes: fking sorry
aCat: cat is losing again
aCat: and winning again
aCat: can't we just throw dices
Astrobytes: hsss meow
aCat: the same level of competitiveness
Astrobytes: lol
struct: its painful
struct: because I cant even tell what my bot does
struct: Sometimes is just luck
aCat: struct you are constantly submitting or parking bot and hoping for push?
struct: dont know yety
struct: im trying to improve the bot
struct: but no sucess
struct: doesnt help that I need like 1 hour to get to the top
Illedan: A bunch of local games testing to find 60 % winrate, barely climbs. Changes 1 param randomly by myself. Straight to top 20 -.-
Astrobytes: to 24?
Illedan: Hopefully this crashes back down to gold
Astrobytes: (the param)
DomiKo: LOL
DomiKo: how
DomiKo: I'm stuck at dead last too Illedan :/
Illedan: I had 1 testgame, looked better than the previous one => yolo submit
Illedan: xD
Illedan: Param was
Astrobytes: yolo submits ftw
Illedan: The 3 was a 2
Astrobytes: :D
Illedan: Scoring of the number of bonus cards
Illedan: In draw + discard + played + hand
Illedan: As long as it stays above euler
Astrobytes: hehehe
Astrobytes: separately scoring or all together?
aCat: BTW - UCB1 helped you instead of random choice in flat MC Ille?
struct: Try submiting random in legend
Illedan: No aCat
Illedan: trainwreck
aCat: good to know
Illedan: This is my 2 day old code
struct: are you using MC aCat?
Illedan: with fresh param
Illedan: and bugfix
aCat: I was suspecting it but who knows
aCat: yeah
struct: I tried but failed
aCat: best optimized c# bits I can
Illedan: I had a megabug where my enemy had no cards. It was worse to give him all his cards as a draw pile -.-
aCat: I have nothing better
Astrobytes: aCat: there is no evolutionary algorithm to work well in this game? I am shocked and appalled! :D
aCat: ...
aCat: I try whatever has a chance of working
Astrobytes: :kissing_cat:
aCat: BTW I personally rarely use GA on CG
Astrobytes: just winding you up ;)
Astrobytes: RHEA only has a few applications here
Astrobytes: other EAs have applications elsewhere, not sure about on CG
Astrobytes: but they sure are interesting
Astrobytes: (here == CG not this contest)
aCat: I understood
aCat: hope other reading people also ;p
Astrobytes: hah
Astrobytes: DomiKo knows these things
struct: ok 3 top 10 players submited
struct: I guess I wait
aCat: I was trying to find the old version that was winning with you
aCat: :P
struct: so i am gona lose vs you 3 now?
struct: i was alread ylosing vs the other 2
aCat: no I'm not a robot - i just want to go to legend :(
Illedan: 0.05 above euler :D
Astrobytes: he's gonna love or hate that when he reads the chat log tomorrow :D
Illedan: I'm not done yet
Astrobytes: :D
Illedan: He has more time left than me
Astrobytes: True, one benefit to his sleeping patterns.
aCat: ok, good - 4/20
aCat: if less I'm resubmitting - middle gold is deadly ;p
Astrobytes: that's 16/20 won?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Astrobytes u were up to like 4th silver, u just keep submitting?
aCat: actually this was 20/24
Astrobytes: Yes Patrick, but it's not the same
aCat: but yeah, base condition is 16/20
Astrobytes: aCat gotcha
aCat: ok, go for a walk
aCat: I sent version from 13 hours, maybe it will work now ;p
Astrobytes: lol, gl
struct: a win vs me = :hammer:
Astrobytes: :D
bobth: ** **
Crosility: I don't know how they considered 1D spreadsheet. https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/1d-spreadsheet to be an EASY puzzle. There are medium puzzles way easier than that.
Crosility: But it's done. Finally... Haha.
Astrobytes: I think by 'easy' it depends on how you approach it, ie. the optimal solution is 'easy'
Astrobytes: (don't ask me details, I don't remember, and my brain is mush right now from this contest)
Crosility: Even the top submitted solutions in C.. at least. Use either enums, or deep recursive functions. Stuff a beginner will probably struggle heavily with. And I understand. Kill it boss! :D
Astrobytes: don't think I did that puzzle tbh
Crosility: You aren't listed on a followed player on my list who did it :P
struct: lol my bot
struct: (FLT_MAX)*probability;
struct: I wonder what could go wrong
struct: :D
Astrobytes: added to TODO_LIST
Astrobytes: struct :D
Crosility: Haha. Is that essentially max_random();?
Astrobytes: genius mistake. I think we've both probably made that one a few times over the years :D
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647676711
struct: as you can see frame 44
struct: he goes to training
struct: because it might have a slim chance to win
struct: let me get the %
struct: 0.0047619
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: I mean, if you're gonna work with numbers like that, at least clamp to some reasonable value
Crosility: When you're taking into account cases than happen less than 1/10,000 of the time..
Crosility: I think you might be optimizing the wrong thing :P
struct: 1.0 = 100%
Astrobytes: yes I got that :D
struct: so it was 0.4% not bad
Astrobytes: == fking awful
struct: now I made it flt max only if opponnet has score of 5
Crosility: Aw, sorry, you said that was the %. Okay, .4% chance. Maaayybbbee worth it. 1/250... so meh'
struct: yeah Crosility but i was ahead in the game
struct: the game should be a victory
Crosility: I saw.
Crosility: I just watched it, 5x4. Boss got 1 out at the very beginning, early into the match.
Crosility: In other news, is "Puzzle of the week" still a thing?
Astrobytes: can't seem to get higher than 5th silver, should I yolo into the night?
Astrobytes: Not stressing about it but gold would be preferable :D
struct: your call
struct: I will stay up
Crosility: You want that gold... right?
Astrobytes: struct: all I will say is don't let it get to you
Astrobytes: Crosility: heheh yeah, I'll probably eat something again then stay up for a bit, not all night though
Niicide: you should stay up mate
Niicide: go all in
struct: :pray:
Astrobytes: Once I've had a munch I'll take it from there.
aCat: :pray::pray:
Astrobytes: this contest shamed me tbh :D
struct: Worse odds than lottery
Astrobytes: lol
TimeEngineer: Wow I pushed you so much aCat
struct: push me to TimeEngineer :p
TimeEngineer: We are quite even struct :p
struct: true
oidrissi: Coming guys need some help push me ty
oidrissi: Just kidding 30 gold it is
struct: its still a good rank oidrissi
Astrobytes: it's a feckin hard contest
oidrissi: Im competitive, legend is still achievable
Astrobytes: we're all competitive, why we're here right? :D
struct: petition to bring back fog
Astrobytes: hahaha
aCat: TimeEngineer thank you very much :kissing_cat:
Astrobytes: did you get in?
Crosility: Hex Grid + Fog!!
aCat: not yet :(
TimeEngineer: I run again
struct: thanks
Michael_Howard: Gold #5, 1.3 points from boss. What are my chances if I park there? :confounded:
TimeEngineer: :thinking:
struct: Im scared and im at .6
Michael_Howard: I miss sleep.
emh: people improved. bumped me down from 10 to 27
emh: 28
TimeEngineer: Sorry :grin:
theycallmedavid: I'm starting to understand the game
struct: day 12, I'm still trying to understand the rules.
aCat: ^^
Darleanow: i gave up
Darleanow: this makes no sense imo
Darleanow: or either explained very badly
actualCoderTrevor: I'm glad to hear it's not just me
struct: Finally my bot knows how to open the game
struct: :P
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647709211
struct: the start looks decent right?
The_Duck: yeah!
ael-bekk: we need mooooore submissions in arena to get the boss down a little
The_Duck: opening 2 as blue does seem to be out of fashion (though I think it's not terrible)
struct: What is the trend now The_Duck?
The_Duck: blue always opens 5 afaik
struct: interesting
struct: I think my bot does better with it aswell
struct: I will try both, thanks :)
actualCoderTrevor: I thought I could at least get out of wood 2 today if I tried but it's not looking good :(
struct: Takes a lot of time to understand the rules actualCoderTrevor
struct: The game is pretty hard
actualCoderTrevor: Yeah I took a few cracks at it earlier in the week but kept getting turned off by not understanding the rules
emh: struct if you move from 2 to 4 by skipping 3 you block opponent from CI. I'm gonna try a submit your way to see if it's better for me or not
emh: but changing my heuristic the average game length went up
struct: I'm going to submit too
TimeEngineer: Who fed the boss :'(
Astrobytes: what happened to chilling and watching the league burn emh? :D
emh: haha I couldn't sleep
TimeEngineer: 9/5 against the boss not bad :D
Astrobytes: :D
struct: at least this bot reaches the top fast
Crosility: Did he get bigger/evolve?
Astrobytes: lol, feeding him with points
Astrobytes: *it
Astrobytes: anthropomorphized boss ai's... :|
Crosility: Lol. You really went there.
Crosility: It must keep growing!
Astrobytes: Wait for a rogue CG staff member to email everyone that Gold Boss is sentient and be placed on leave
Crosility: I really need to solve Mars Lander 2. Because I want to do the optimization challenge for it. But dang - making a decent decision tree for it is proving to be fairly difficult.
Crosility: LMAO. Google reference?
struct: nice 2 wins vs boss
Astrobytes: indeed Crosility
aCat: :+1;
Astrobytes: gogogo struct
struct: ill stay here pressing submit all night
struct: if its what it takes
Astrobytes: haha
TimeEngineer: What a hero
Crosility: Gotta mind the sentient AI's emotions. It has been submitting cards by the thousands/sec. Don't want to upset the delicate balance.
Astrobytes: gotta say, my patience coefficient is not what it was several hours ago
Astrobytes: *personal patience coefficient
struct: so close yet so far
struct: .36
Astrobytes: oof
struct: TimeEngineer you said you had good win rate vs the boss?
Astrobytes: beat the boss and push all your opponents above it
aCat: yep ;p
aCat: please
Astrobytes: victory will follow
struct: I have 2 - 4 against boss
Astrobytes: lol aCat
struct: rest are draws
Astrobytes: fixit
aCat: mo versions that beat boss more loses with other players ;p
struct: I dont even know
putibuzu: I feel like there are way too few games to actually determine which bot is better since there is just so much randomness
struct: Multiple games are needed
Astrobytes: story of my whole contest
struct: too much rng
struct: Im playing 400 games per bot locally
struct: It takes forever
struct: the current bot has 54.6% vs 40%+-
struct: against the previous
struct: and same rank lol
struct: But I think this one is stronger
struct: It climbed way faster
putibuzu: that is a good sign, I hope youll make it
struct: Now I need to figure why I lose this
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/647720423
struct: lol
struct: from my view is just rng
putibuzu: opponent has 4 automated bonus, that seems to help a lot for the last release
struct: me too
struct: Maybe I should have went to training
struct: to draw more cards or something
putibuzu: ah right, didn't see sorry
putibuzu: yeah maybe
struct: its fine
putibuzu: this game is confusing
Astrobytes: no shit :D
Astrobytes: when you think you get it... nope
struct: So now we have a dilemma on who will submit
struct: we are all so close to the boss
aCat: i will probably soon
struct: wait
**Astrobytes not included
struct: 2 coming
aCat: ok, thx
struct: Not my submit
struct: is just two top 10 players submited
struct: Lets go Michael_Howard
elderlybeginner: when to play DAILY_ROUTINE?
struct: I think I only play it at the start
struct: when I land on 2
struct: or if I have nothing else to play
aCat: ok, some ideas why not to submit?
struct: wdym?
aCat: ah they still compute, ok, wait
struct: yeah
aCat: and I'm pushed a little
struct: I would wait
aCat: were waiting many hours struct
struct: If Im far away from the boss when they finish
aCat: but good advise
struct: and you are close
struct: ill submit
Astrobytes: The nobility!
Astrobytes: another submit with 20 (ie 10) straight wins, bet it ends up halfway down silver
struct: astro post a replay
struct: also what search are you doing?
Astrobytes: im past caring mate, gonna go bed after this one finishes :D
struct: ifs?
struct: ah ok
Astrobytes: yeah if forest
struct: cant help much then :p
Astrobytes: couldn't be assed to finish my sim in silver, thought the ifs would see me through to gold
elderlybeginner: I'm stuck with ifs around silver 80
Astrobytes: elderlybeginner: my same code can be at 5th or 55th
struct: aCat i would wait
struct: 2 top 10 submited again
aCat: you are reading my mind :*
Astrobytes: top part of silver is all the same score (roughly) and breaking through all of that is not something I succeed at right now :D
elderlybeginner: nop, there's huge gap beteween 5 and 55 in silver
Astrobytes: fix a bug, fix something that beats players x, y, and z, lose against a, b, c, d, e, f, g
emh: struct your 2xDR trick didn't work for me so I reverted it
emh: or maybe it's just getting harder idk
struct: what is my 2x DR?
emh: the replay you showed
elderlybeginner: and i still have no idea how to handle CI with ifs.
elderlybeginner: I mead DAILY, not CI
Astrobytes: elderlybeginner: ok the points have changed a little but honestly, same code
Kellthazar: elderlybeginner I'm trying to do that right now :D
Astrobytes: maybe I'll stay up a liiitle bit longer
kouin: is it harder to get in legend when youre not like the first 25 people to get in, or it doesnt matter?
struct: it shouldnt matter kouin
struct: this time it was only 9 at the start
Astrobytes: it usually becomes increasingly difficult if you have a sub optimal bot
struct: in these types of contests I guess its harder
struct: where rng plays a huge role
Astrobytes: yeah
elderlybeginner: Astrobytes, you're 3 points to the boss. There will be no miracle :joy:
Astrobytes: im not waiting for a fucking push I'm trying to fix my bugs :P
elderlybeginner: I find this contest to be top annoying
Astrobytes: yes it's very, very, very, annoying :D
Astrobytes: but, weirdly addictive
elderlybeginner: seems like you found something :joy:
Astrobytes: don't bet on it, I've had plenty starts like that which end in complete fails
struct: Daporan reCurse we need help in gold
Astrobytes: hahaha
aCat: found small bug
struct: o.o
struct: only .22
struct: 6 hours left
Astrobytes: - 9 minutes
Michael_Howard: How much should I worry about getting a captcha? If I in imminent danger of a submission timeout?
Astrobytes: no, just wait a lil bit in between times
struct: also you can run out of submits and get a cooldown
struct: watch out
Astrobytes: I've had them for days since spamming to get out of bronze
Astrobytes: just don't get carried away
struct: hmm new account almost 100% win rate on bronze
struct: who can it be
Astrobytes: what's the name?
struct: Unix10 10
struct: no space
struct: might be nothing
aCat: like 1h without any game for my bot
aCat: terrible
khanglovesIT: i found some bot programming difficult. is there any bot programming fits with me (a noob :))) )?
struct: khanglovesIT what do you know about programming?
khanglovesIT: i know some concepts, but when i look at the instructions, there are a lot of variables, and I cannot keep track all of them.
struct: mad pod racing includes an entry tutorial, but the game after is quite difficult
struct: Line Racing might be one of the simpler ones I guess
khanglovesIT: i have done mad pod racing to bronze league, it is understandable.
khanglovesIT: can you show me the link to line racing
struct: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/line-racing
khanglovesIT: thanks a lot
struct: .15
struct: Please
struct: :pray: RNG
Astrobytes: *RNGsus
eulerscheZahl: on the door to legend
Astrobytes: omg I'm still awake and you've just got up
Astrobytes: definitely going to sleep now, that's it :D
emh: hitting the ice shots cactus and lime to celebrate struct going to Legend
emh: soon
struct: I hope I make it
struct: Today was a big improvement anyways
struct: from 60 to 10th to 1st*
emh: if you give me a good strat to get a lil' bit higher I'll keep resubmitting until I bump you up
Astrobytes: indeed
eulerscheZahl: maybe i'm still up as well?
struct: I dont believe it euler
Bob_Rocks: euler is still here
eulerscheZahl: we all know it's not he case :D
Astrobytes: why do I highly doubt that euler :thinking:
Astrobytes: lol
struct: emh I think most strategies you already know of
struct: most work I did today was make my bot start releasing later
struct: and improve the opening
emh: I keep track of opponent debt increase and try to match it
struct: I decided to watch replays
emh: and also some other conditions
struct: I have nothing of that kind
eulerscheZahl: go struct, you can make it to legend. by just sitting it out
struct: Only thing I keep track of opponent is his score and is position
struct: Nah euler I cant go to sleep likes this
struct: anxiety won't let me
emh: "I was halfway to Legend when the shots began to take hold"
struct: I tried to add some probabilities to opponent but only made it worse
struct: I tried the MC everyone mentioned, it sucked
struct: at least for me
emh: for me too
emh: I recently found a bug, it was rerelasing old apps
emh: Windows update style
Astrobytes: was about to say, MicroSoft strat
Westicles: euler needs to win so he can sell the phone and buy dynos
Astrobytes: :D
emh: what he need dynos for?
emh: on Heroku?
Westicles: yah
emh: I was envisioning a hydro plant
Astrobytes: He's opening Heroku Park
emh: frog friendly
Astrobytes: Can't do that without Dyno DNA
emh: like Jurassic or Xerox?
Astrobytes: Jurassic
emh: hehe
struct: PLEASE
emh: ok I'll submit struct just in case I meet you on one of the initial 20 battles
struct: submit a broken bot then lol
struct: Dont want to risk :p
struct: im joking
struct: you dont need to submit
emh: I did anyway. no hit
struct: oh aCat is coming
struct: please dont hit me aCat
aCat: nice
aCat: and I have one more thing to code ;]
emh: ohhhh wowowwowowo
emh: so high on so low battes
emh: gz aCat
struct: why did I lose points with a draw?
struct: what
Astrobytes: you stuck a rocket up your bots ass or something aCat? :D
aCat: if you draw with lower rank
struct: ...
aCat: you lose points
aCat: kind of ;p
aCat: I mean I know one thing that helped
aCat: and other I hope didnt broke :P
Astrobytes: such is the way of bug fixing/adding 'functionality' :P
aCat: back on #3 :(
WissarutKongjamnien: oh oh oh
Westicles: you guys need to pop out and watch the sun rise. the world is full of old people saying hi to each other
Astrobytes: huh. Round here there might be a dazed junkie or recently awoken drunk wandering around
Astrobytes: ugh. Almost broad daylight and I'm almost fully awake again, gonna try sleeping. See ya's
emh: Astrobytes I pinged u on discord I lost the invite
struct: gn astro
Astrobytes: good luck aCat and struct!
struct: thanks
aCat: thank you :kissing_cat:
Astrobytes: emh: no worries mate I'll send it again later for you
emh: ok
struct: damn aCat
eulerscheZahl: taking the promotion all for himself?
eulerscheZahl: how selfish of him
aCat: :(
eulerscheZahl: and a crab and a toad right next to it
struct: The boss :scream:
eulerscheZahl: we should add a "no pets" sign to legend
aCat: i'm still 0.25 off
aCat: like frogs?
eulerscheZahl: that was before the sign obviously
aCat: xD
struct: This damn boss
struct: just get close enough Ill push you after
eulerscheZahl: i think aCat should resubmit right away, this submit isn't going anywhere
struct: :/
eulerscheZahl: i like to give bad advice
aCat: but I'm working on something
aCat: will submit with improve
struct: does the improve beats the boss?
eulerscheZahl: and i want to submit and test something. but i'm too scared of not climbing up to my current rank anymore :(
struct: :pray:
emh: my surfer got his Norwegian flag using Happn
emh: what we gonna do while waiting out the last 4 hours of the Green Circle guys?
emh: is anyone still coding bots?
Sheeesh---: 4 hours more and i'm gonna complete 24 h without sleep
emh: is there stilll hope?
Sheeesh---: yes
Sheeesh---: one variable can change a ton
emh: really?
emh: I changed so many variables
emh: none seem to fit
Sheeesh---: did you try removing some ?
emh: yes I removed a whole block of code
emh: it was for the better
struct: to submit or not
struct: that is the question for me
struct: ...
Sheeesh---: just keep on trying 4 hours left
emh: the block I removed was greedy initialization of next move, according to most needed card for apps
emh: struct just submit. live large take a risk
emh: how long did it take you to climb there?
struct: like 15 miuntes
struct: maybe less
emh: ok then submit
emh: you will have more chance if you keep resubmitting until deadline
eulerscheZahl: you go first emh
emh: why?
emh: I've resubmitted many times
emh: I'm stable around 28th
eulerscheZahl: ok, then you've proved to be brave enough
eulerscheZahl: proven
struct: Im doing it
emh: yesssss
struct: If I dont get it I hope acat does
emh: let's have excitement
struct: only 1 loss
struct: I guess it counts as 2
eulerscheZahl: in 2h frenchies will wake up and give you some more chances
emh: struct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXW33B8v_1Y
struct: thanks
emh: "if I see a little bird who is flying low on golden wings then I pluck him down with my hands" this is a Norwegian song I'm listening to (Vamp - Liten fuggel)
struct: I think I heard it before
struct: not this mix though
struct: The video one
emh: ok. the fatboy song it suddenly hit me when I was thinking your name
struct: lossstreak
aCat: :(
The_Duck: man the match servers are not very fast right now huh
Kayafu: We don't get the number of cards left on each place of the board as an input, right ? Or did I missed it ?
The_Duck: that's right
aCat: we dont
The_Duck: you can compute it from the other inputs
aCat: you have to compute
Kayafu: ok
Kayafu: thanks :)
The_Duck: don't forget to account for permanent architecture study and daily routine cards
Kayafu: ok, thank you :)
struct: COME COME ON
struct: Euler how much did you pay your brother to stop me?
eulerscheZahl: i denied him from TCO finals
struct: Come on aCat help me out
HenroLST: lmao whats happening
struct: HenroLST Im trying to get to legend on the contest
HenroLST: ah
HenroLST: whoa hows the text red
struct: Just write the persons name
eulerscheZahl: when you get mentioned
eulerscheZahl: red HenroLST
HenroLST: ah cool
HenroLST: fancy red
HenroLST: quick c++ question, what would be the fastest way to cout a certain amount of decimal places?
struct: setprecision
eulerscheZahl: << std::setPrecision()
eulerscheZahl: struct knows the spelling better i think
aCat: trying struct
struct: std::setprecision(12)
struct: or w/e number
aCat: but I have one more thing to ship
struct: omg
aCat: and out of ideas then...
struct: My ideas are changing a number by 0.05
eulerscheZahl: and just place that inside your stream
cout << setprecision(5) << number
struct: pressing arrow up and enter
HenroLST: but doesnt that also effect the amount depending on the whole numbers?
HenroLST: like setprecision(3) would be 2.43 and 12.3?
Rikus: as player 0, is it better to go to Daily+Daily or Continuous+Automate bonus?
eulerscheZahl: true, no trailing 0 that way
The_Duck: Rikus automated bonus
struct: you can also do fprintf it is easier
HenroLST: ok ill look at it, thanks all!
Rikus: ty, I have it that way. Asked because the gold boss does the opposite and it got me wondering
The_Duck: it's also an OK opening, but the top bots seem to start CI as player 0
struct: top players strategy are completely different
struct: my strategy is ancient by now
struct: The go for training on 2nd or 3rd turn
struct: I guess its a way to manage draw/discard pile
eulerscheZahl: aCat just making it worse
HenroLST: oh shoot the events ending
aCat: my bot you mean?
HenroLST: thats awkward i was gonna do it but put it off :sweat_smile:
eulerscheZahl: yes. losing more to boss than to struct
struct: it happens :p
eulerscheZahl: timer started blinking already
struct: its not personal
jacek: :upside_down:
struct: no AI hiding this time?
jacek: i made my last submit yesterday
struct: not you
struct: In general
The_Duck: jacek are you gonna write up how you trained your bot?
struct: is royale also NN?
eulerscheZahl: we will know soon. i bet yes
struct: yeah its likely
actualCoderTrevor: How can you tell if a desk is empty before moving to it? Is there a way?
jacek: i am
eulerscheZahl: sum up the cards that you and opponent have actualCoderTrevor
struct: you need to check the cards inputs actualCoderTrevor
HenroLST: random question, does anyone have tips for how to learn a language?
actualCoderTrevor: Oh and there's only 5 cards for each skill I see. Thanks!
struct: be carefull that you need to take into account players architecture anddaily routine
struct: and subtract those aswell
aCat: no
aCat: only autos
struct: you dont?
aCat: ...
aCat: they are just action used and counters
eulerscheZahl: aCat is wrong
struct: you need to subtract from them aswell acat
struct: or you will think the table still has it
eulerscheZahl: semi-permanent are not on disk and come to your discard on app release
aCat: hmmm
actualCoderTrevor: I didn't need to keep track of those at Wood 2 :upside_down:
aCat: weird
eulerscheZahl: i haven't implemented that either :D
aCat: ;p
actualCoderTrevor: But I just got promoted! First time I've been happy about making it to Wood 1. What a tough game.
eulerscheZahl: but at least i know it's wrong
eulerscheZahl: now i'm too scared to submit and lose my rank
eulerscheZahl: someone push me down so i can submit
aCat: If I climbed to legend I will do this for you euler :-)
struct: I have no idea if I should keep submiting or not
struct: ...
eulerscheZahl: wait for fr to wake up
Sheeesh---: isn't there a full reset euler ?
aCat: uhh, I forgot wich version was the fast one
Sheeesh---: in legend
eulerscheZahl: not fully
Sheeesh---: wdym ?
eulerscheZahl: your current rank will be used as seeding for match making
jacek: :scream:
Sheeesh---: i see
eulerscheZahl: you still get a top of games to stabilize. but initial placement matters
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