eulerscheZahl: 70th. yesterday this submit made it to top3 for a short time :(
eulerscheZahl: same code
rcrl: gold league is stuck
rcrl: Boss is too high :')
Miki09: yeah...
rcrl: Need silver players to beat their boss
rcrl: It'll unstuck gold top
yhyoxx: come silver
yhyoxx: come on*
MAWAAW: can't up more than 300th --'
jacek: nice bg pic
MAWAAW: score 23,54 boss 30,58
eulerscheZahl: this gold bosses is one of the easier ones. 350 players in legend already, i can't recall having such a huge one before
Miki09: Time for submit
aCat: hi, anyone knows how much of legend will be recomputed?
Miki09: top 100
aCat: sure knowledge :>?
eulerscheZahl: yes, 100
aCat: thx euler
eulerscheZahl: i'm more trustworthy than Miki09
aCat: sorry Miki but yes
HoriMiyamura: you guys mean only top 100 recomputed?
HoriMiyamura: how about the lower?
Miki09: :-(
HoriMiyamura: they just be there,?
Maroly: lower are losers :(
HoriMiyamura: what if top 100 lose too much will they be pushed to 101
Miki09: How to avoid @&]\@&!!! shielded spiders who just go and destroy ur base?
Maroly: control enemy heros before they shield
eulerscheZahl: beat them up until they die
Miki09: thx
ItsNotABug: More defencing heros, manage spider distance based on turns to kill, control spiders away from your base before they get shielded. Few options
ItsNotABug: Or just kill enemy base before spiders overwhelm you
Miki09: thx
struct: Did not hit play my code limit once
struct: this should be an achievement
cegprakash: I won't be surprised if the postmortem of top players comes to 4 pages
struct: lol
HoriMiyamura: haha you encourage dev to not test
cegprakash: I have 1600 lines of code full of if elses
HoriMiyamura: what if some of the top player use NN or someth Algos, that's would be a big supprise
struct: nope
struct: no NNs
Miki09: why?
struct: Because I dont see recurse at rank 1
Miki09: lol
HoriMiyamura: :D
Miki09: why she is not there?
HoriMiyamura: maybe he just too lazy at this time
eulerscheZahl: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Switched_on_Loops
i found one in the wild
https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/101
HoriMiyamura: it is amzing on what dev could do
HoriMiyamura: good job switch for mechanism
struct: Im going to try the triple wind
struct: shame
cegprakash: guys my rank is 69
Miki09: struct lol
Miki09: I tried that twice and still no results...
struct: still very early
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631222960
struct: not much time
eulerscheZahl: that nonsense is your strategy? then no congrats for legend
eulerscheZahl: i hate those opponents
struct: no
struct: my strategy was 2
struct: LOL
struct: and the worst part is that I dont even use math to check where I need to do the first wind to bring it closer
struct: I just brute force 360 angles
mlomb: euler you wont like mine then :(
ItsNotABug: Oh no, what happened to Djak? He was top :'(
struct: triple wind almost at top 5
struct: lol
cegprakash: An error occurred (#407): "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time.".
OMG come on
cegprakash: not like this
cegprakash: not on the last day
Miki09: my new code #456 in gold...
jrke: cegprakash i faced that yesterday
cegprakash: good morning jrke
jrke: good morning
cegprakash: for me it's just night
cegprakash: even tho it's 11AM
cegprakash: my eyes are already red
jrke: lol
cegprakash: anything for a T shirt
struct: I knew my fantastic bits code would be useful
Waffle3z: gold 76, submitting again
struct: gl Waffle3z
Zandy156: 2 submit of the contest, probably my last. I usually do like 10 submits.
Waffle3z: following monsters deeper into the opponent's base rather than just blowing them closer from the edge made a difference
Waffle3z: saw somebody shield a monster near the edge so that it couldn't be controlled or blown into the base and would walk out of bounds
jrke: i have a 90% feeling that my current IDE bot is better than arena but hesitating a lot while going to click on that submit button
Zandy156: my experience shows it rarely is better if I'm unsure
Zandy156: but it can be hard to tell when there are a lot of strategies at every rank
IvesL: old bot, cant beat boss, top1000, new bot beat boss 90%, drop 500
yhyoxx: classic
jrke: i pushed 2 people in legend:neutral_face:
yhyoxx: god bless you
IvesL: @jrke you should just get further 20points to have a global points of 88888
jrke: :grin:
jrke: yhyoxx i hope god blesses me with legend
yhyoxx: the cg gods are reading
jrke: looks like legend is possible if i push another person in legend
jrke: :smiley:
IvesL: 0.6 with remaining game
yhyoxx: ill be that person
yhyoxx: any idea why same code submitted twice gives very different scores ?
IvesL: good luck
Miki09: Imma travel 88mph in a delorean to get back to yesterday and have more time to get to legend league. See you back in future
jrke: yhyoxx LUCK and submission by many peoples at same time
yhyoxx: i hope it's not mostly luck
yhyoxx: otherwise what am i doing here ?
jrke: damn 2 more got pushed in legend
jrke: not just due to me due to me and another person
cegprakash: any wind spammers in legend
Murat_Eroglu: Where we're going we don't need roads
yhyoxx: i know one of them haha
cegprakash: I need to test something
eulerscheZahl: wait, jrke is not in legend?
eulerscheZahl: weren't you top10 on wednesday?
jrke: exams :rage:
jrke: i was but got pushed back a lot
jrke: cegprakash i pushed one wind spammer in legend just rn
eulerscheZahl: i always have the impression that you Indians take exams very seriously
cegprakash: what's his name jrke
Waffle3z: 62% gold rank 4, hopefully I can sit and wait until I get pushed in
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631254160
jrke: cegprakash ^
jrke: weird name
eulerscheZahl: i understand why you didn'T spell it out
Waffle3z: oh now I'm rank 1. well hopefully I stay here by the time progress hits 100%
Miki09: Congrats :-)
struct: grats
struct: I'm so tired
struct: My body can't handle this anymore
BenjaminUrquhart: I literally just want ot leave silver
BenjaminUrquhart: to*
struct: I just want this to end :p
BenjaminUrquhart: same but I want to end in gold
Miki09: I want to end in legend...
BenjaminUrquhart: that's my goal for every contest, get at least gold
yhyoxx: let's go jrke rank 1
Miki09: Off hope is last to die!!!
yhyoxx: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631261951
yhyoxx: legends should stream
cegprakash: my eyes are red
cegprakash: can't stream lul
eulerscheZahl: stream what?
yhyoxx: on twitch
yhyoxx: themselves coding
yhyoxx: too risky ?
cegprakash: actually legends are not supposed to stream as per rules
eulerscheZahl: me coding is as interesting as watching wet color dry
yhyoxx: but very informative
DEV-thien: :slight_smile:
cegprakash: there is a corner case I'm trying to cover and I watched over 40 replays and the code is not reachable at all
cegprakash: should I cover that case
eulerscheZahl: for this particular game i don't think you would learn that much from streams
yhyoxx: ive been watching resistcorp yesterday morning
yhyoxx: 200th silver
yhyoxx: simulating and stuff
yhyoxx: very cool
IvesL: where to check global leaderboard for overall ranking?
eulerscheZahl: psyho streamed a lot
cegprakash: can someone in legend find a flaw in my game
Waffle3z: if I do hit legend it won't be by much, keep jumping between above boss and 5th
yhyoxx: yes psyho's stream is cool too
cegprakash: @Blodis: Blodis failed a CONTROL: Entity 78 is not within range of Hero 5
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/631271687 Turn 103 Blodis
DEV-thien: :)
DEV-thien: =/
DEV-thien: :|
DEV-thien: =)
ItsNotABug: I still can't watch any replays. Its just grey boxes
Waffle3z: restart the browser
struct: I made more progress today than all on all the previous days together
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631275678
struct: Its not looking bad
struct: my ide vs arena
yhyoxx: pretty good
yhyoxx: like shooting a shotgun
Waffle3z: wonder where boss 5 would place in legend
Jainam123: how to learn coding
struct: practice
eulerscheZahl: Pbatch is the boss, currently at 223
struct: But same bot?
eulerscheZahl: and by the date he didn't even submit after legend opening
struct: oh
Waffle3z: legend has 377 and the boss is 223 and you only get in legend by beating the boss
eulerscheZahl: yes. i don't see a problem with that sentence
eulerscheZahl: Neuman n made a pretty good prediction on the 29th already
"I call 350-400 by the end of the contest"
yhyoxx: and u said blasterpoard ends first
eulerscheZahl: yes i did say so
Patrick_Starfish: how do you know where the boss places in legend
struct: oh trictrac also made it, grats
HoriMiyamura: is this true that only top 100 will get recompute
HoriMiyamura: others in legend isn't?
eulerscheZahl: was min(legend, top100) the last times
HoriMiyamura: will there becase that some of the top 100 be pushed to 101 or lower?
eulerscheZahl: not sure how those corner cases will be handled. but those ranks are probably not be considered that important
eulerscheZahl: it's mainly to get a stable ranking at the very top
HoriMiyamura: thanks
Jainam123: i know the basic but cant solve this what i do
HoriMiyamura: I am 90 before but now 103
HoriMiyamura: no need to recomputed :D
eulerscheZahl: checking chat logs now...
eulerscheZahl: cegprakash: what happen to eulerscheZahl
cegprakash: he was #3 yesterday and he's 90 now
Jainam123: can any one help me
eulerscheZahl: not hiding, that #3 bot ended up #70 on resubmit
HoriMiyamura: haha
eulerscheZahl: so damn random
yhyoxx: re submit again
Waffle3z: trueskill, more like falseskill
yhyoxx: i think if ur rank is high and submit
HoriMiyamura: the point is most of our code are deterministic
yhyoxx: if u lose u get thrown too low
HoriMiyamura: but the result are quite random
yhyoxx: if ur rank is low
yhyoxx: not so much
Patrick_Starfish: do you actually have access to the bot code
eulerscheZahl: to which bot code?
Patrick_Starfish: any of them
eulerscheZahl: only your own
Patrick_Starfish: i mean the boss code
eulerscheZahl: wood bosses are publicly available on github
eulerscheZahl: later ones: no
Patrick_Starfish: ok
Jainam123: Can any one guide me>
Jainam123: ?
IvesL: jesus could
Jainam123: :confused:
IvesL: be your sheperd
IvesL: whats your problem
Jainam123: i know the basic of programming but when i came here i cant solve problems what i do
IvesL: go play clash of codes
Jainam123: but the thing is i cant solve that problems
IvesL: even if you cant finish, you can see others' when times over
Jainam123: oh
IvesL: it doesnt matter
Jainam123: I will try
Jainam123: tx
IvesL: just try to understand why they code in that way
Jainam123: ok
cegprakash: An error occurred (#407): "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time.".
- ( :( :(
cegprakash: this is like 10th time today
cegprakash: CG plz plz consider increasing testing limit
yhyoxx: also happens when u replay in same conditions ?
cegprakash: I don't wanna play in same conditions
struct: same seed and same players are sent to your ide
IvesL: i wanna ask a question, usually how many hours are needed for you guys to make one legend league solution
yamo: was there a lot of hiding in legend ?
Cr3aHal0: keep going guys
Valdemar: went to bed, woke up in first place :smile: Actually I don't believe in it, there's really bad winrates versus several top players. But still satisfying
mlomb: well, time to reveal a strat I didnt see anyone else use
mlomb: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631258491
Quentin_le_magnifique: How did you inst awin this?!
mlomb: ;)
Mazelcop: oh, smart !
yhyoxx: whaaat
mlomb: it came to me yestarday so not a facny impl :(
mlomb: yesterday*
Whatar: so you controlled the monster before winding and then they crawled to the enemy based while outside?
abt8601: wow this is so good
yhyoxx: very cool
mlomb: you only get information about entities in y < 9000
Whatar: very impressive
mlomb: so you can point them to go up and then wind them down
mlomb: below the map but not too far to be despawned
Valdemar: wow, nice strat mlomb
SashaNukem: do you need to win every one in the lobby to get to the boss?
raxkin: btw awesome job yamo. Have been following you from scala section, and you did a great final push!
kovi: blaster toyed weith that early
mlomb: didnt know, what came out out of it?
mlomb: my def is very bad unfortunately
kovi: he switched to doubleattacker
kovi: also seems that anti-2/3 protects vs. this
mlomb: yup
mlomb: i couldnt win blaster no matter what
kovi: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631316701
mlomb: yup
BenjaminUrquhart: 50 minutes left, it's late for me so I'm probably just gonna submit what I have and see where it lands
BenjaminUrquhart: it doesn't beat my old bot since I somehow made grinding worse but from random games I've pulled in it seems to do overall better
Quentin_le_magnifique: How can you try your bot gainst the one of one of your friend?
cegprakash: below IDE
cegprakash: select the player
Quentin_le_magnifique: Okay thanks! ;)
klasak: how many battles do you play in each level? i thought 150 but it is not the case
struct: I think 100 per submit?
aCat: yyy
struct: you might get more if other players are also submiting
eulerscheZahl: depends on the league
aCat: I got 74 and 44%
MyNameIsTrez: I really hope we can still get gold after the timer is up and it just stops us from submitting
cegprakash: how many if statements do u guys have
cegprakash: I've 191 ifs
Zyk0: 199
MyNameIsTrez: 18
Whatar: if + elif = 65 for me
MyNameIsTrez: But I spent like three days on designing my code to be as if-free as possible which was not worth
abt8601: 32 if/else if/match
Whatar: well you could have spended three days debugging a mess like I did
cegprakash: I wonder how many ifs blasterpoard has
Butanium: hi
Butanium: has anyone here reach more than top 500 gold without attacking the opponent ?
jrke: cegprakash i think blaster is having sim kinda search
cegprakash: I doubt that
aCat: 6 polish people in top 30 ;]
aCat: 5 from our uni
aCat: :P
Illedan: Nice
Illedan: Wish I had time for such madness :P
cegprakash: where were u Illedan
Illedan: On a trip
aCat: yeah I should sleep finally
cegprakash: missed ur GA
Illedan: Company weekend
Illedan: With room sharing, so I couldn't code all night
aCat: been like >26hours
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like dbdr is gonna make it
Butanium: dbdr use NN right N
Butanium: *rigt ?
Butanium: * right ?
dbdr: 200 lines of code written entirely this morning
eulerscheZahl: 200 NN lines
yamo: thanks raxkin !
dbdr: :D
Butanium: lol
BenjaminUrquhart: ok submitting and yolo
eulerscheZahl: NN code generated by another NN
Butanium: that's impressive
dbdr: iNNception
eulerscheZahl: iNNceptioNN
eulerscheZahl: i think i throw the towel
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like the double barrelled shotgun routine is the winner
Butanium: I lost my chance to go to legend the moment I decided not to attack xD
cegprakash: last min submit bowwowforeach
BenjaminUrquhart: hold up I'm finding crashes in my submit, pain
Butanium: o
Butanium: dbdr my AI counters yours
Butanium: lol
aCat: so many last submits
aCat: xD
Illedan: Yeah, please stop. I need this last 20 min to test a lot of stuff
aCat: yeah half of legend is computing
pydlv: I just started working on this a couple hours ago
Illedan: xD
pydlv: I got to mid silver league
PatrickMcGinnisII: need a race horse announcer
Butanium: ok I had a timeout issue
cegprakash: 19 mins before I go out and have a drink
PatrickMcGinnisII: Japan getting edged out by the slavs... around the 3 turn comes a rust NN
Miki09: Damn I was 330 in gold and now with same code Im 460... The last submit wasnt a good idea...
Butanium: 19 minutes before touching grass guys
cegprakash: if I get any last min heart break i.e. rank 100+ I'll be super disappointed
PatrickMcGinnisII: The GAs are in the paddock still trying to drug their horses
struct: I dont even know why im still awake
cegprakash: what time is it struct
yhyoxx: same
struct: 08:42am
cegprakash: it's 1PM here..
struct: you didnt sleep?
cegprakash: my eyes are red
PatrickMcGinnisII: the mini-sims are laughing at the Heuristic hippies
BenjaminUrquhart: 3:42 am
Miki09: 9:42 am
HoriMiyamura: a few mins..
PatrickMcGinnisII: and rednecks are are the star of the party with their shotgun weddings
Westicles: rerunning all of legend
BenjaminUrquhart: I'll figure out shotgun strats when the multi comes out
struct: Anyways I'm glad it's over for me
struct: Most painful contest I have played
PatrickMcGinnisII: I was trying to figure out why they added the 4 spots on the battles.
cegprakash: what did it cost struct
struct: my sanity
PatrickMcGinnisII: his ban hammer has a crack in it
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736
eulerminer: What happens with the ranking and scores that are not stable yet when the contest ends? I mean, in 15mins
aCat: haha no way I have strength to write about this ;-)
struct: "we’ll rerun the entire Legend league"
eulerscheZahl: After all matches are finished playing, we’ll rerun the entire Legend league. We’ll also do a check for cheaters. Then only, the ranking will be final.
aCat: but before all things finish to compute
Butanium: wait only legend ?
eulerscheZahl: oh, struct faster
struct: yes aCat
aCat: from lowest leagues so that people can advance
Butanium: oh ok
IvesL: how to define cheaters
eulerminer: What about other leagues?
eulerscheZahl: compare codes
IvesL: similarity of codes?
eulerscheZahl: some copy from leaked github
Butanium: are we supposed to keep our github repo private ?
eulerminer: Thanks!
eulerscheZahl: haven't checked. but search for spring challenge 2022 on github. limit to activity in the last week. you will find a few
Butanium: mine is public
struct: yes lol
eulerscheZahl: if someone copied your bot, you can get disqualified over this
Butanium: oh
IvesL: btw, are there any plans renaming contests under bot programming section?
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm geting captchas fixing these crashes, pain
IvesL: i feel like the photosynthesis deserve a name
eulerscheZahl: sounds unlikely to me IvesL
IvesL: thats sad
mframbou: Will cheaters be disqualified after ranking or will they keep their positions ?
Butanium: do we get notified if we get disqualified euler ?
Spalmon: will arena games continue after time is up?
eulerscheZahl: no idea Butanium, i never got DQed
pydlv: anyone know obama's last name?
Butanium: Spalmon all current subimission will be finished
BenjaminUrquhart: ok this is my final submit, whatever happened happens
eulerscheZahl: but you won't show up on the leaderboard anymore, obvious sign
Butanium: yes ok
eulerscheZahl: let's take a snapshot of the leaderboard and see whom we lost, shall we?
IvesL: what will you name this game?
IvesL: spider rush?
struct: Spring Challenge 2022
aCat: how original
aCat: this cat is amazed
big_rooster_energy: what happens in 7 minutes do submissions get paused?
cegprakash: "With greater spider sense comes greater responsibility"
Westicles: Peasant Heuristics
eulerscheZahl: all submissions will finish first
eulerscheZahl: including promotions and submits in the next higher league
big_rooster_energy: oh good i have a small chance to advance to legend then
eulerscheZahl: then rerun of legend
IvesL: spider mad: no way home
big_rooster_energy: thank you for explaining i was worried i would not get the chance
cegprakash: that moment when a buggy bot has better win rate than non buggy one and I've to go with the buggy one
BenjaminUrquhart: mood
yhyoxx: u know how every contest when it's done, it becomes a puzzle, and at the bottom they write the category of the puzzle, last two, one was minimax, the other mtcs, what do u think this one will be ?
therealbeef: Heuristics of Might and Magic
yhyoxx: haha
aCat: if might or magic?
Spalmon: cegprakash literally same
IvesL: heuristics, optimization
eulerscheZahl: multi-agent
cegprakash: it's awkward isn't it Spalmon
IvesL: i think it should share a lot with fantastic bits
cegprakash: I have barely blinked in last 12 hrs
struct: It will Finite State Machine
eulerscheZahl: ceg right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euVfBGyy_RU&ab_channel=Taskmaster
Westicles: no titans in wood2, guess it won't happen
eulerminer: Is your rank computed in the next league if you get promoted in 5 minutes?
eulerscheZahl: yes
IvesL: i think so
eulerminer: Thanks!
cegprakash: 451 ppl computing right now
eulerscheZahl: even if you submit now and it gets promoted at the end of the submit in 1h, you will still play the higher league
cegprakash: last 2 minutes
struct: it will take hours before recalc starts
cegprakash: panic submitters now is ur time
cegprakash: GG all
cegprakash: had an amazing week
eulerminer: Awesome
eulerscheZahl: the first detailed post mortem already
aCat: no way, im ~36 and top 50 is my best goal
eulerscheZahl: "Cracking the seed (in 1 turn)"
cegprakash: bad thing is I gotta go to work from tomorrow
aCat: ane our uni did amazing job
IvesL: last minute
Spalmon: i hope my code is good enough for promotion :fearful:
IvesL: blasterpoard vs bowwowforeach
Spalmon: this submission is so much higher stakes than all the others
aCat: I remember times when there was no competition in university rankings
rcrl: We can blink now
rcrl: Have a nice day it was a pleasure
hiamkaito: GG
BenjaminUrquhart: gg
abt8601: GG
Illedan: gg
jrke: contest ended!
Illedan: :(
pydlv: pogger
struct: gg
Michael_Howard: GG
pydlv: #3618
yhyoxx: gg wp
Yanek: gg wp
a1.dk: GG WP!!
BenjaminUrquhart: I don't even know my ranking since I'm stuck at 0.00 lol
BenjaminUrquhart: 504 server error nice
struct: ...
Yanek: gotta love crab
rafaelSorel: gg guys
mlomb: gg!
BenjaminUrquhart: site down woo
cegprakash: Network error : status 504
Raph_Hax0r: gg
PatrickMcGinnisII: Karang seed cracking like a few others, hmmm.
raxkin: gg
pydlv: supper pogger site
daffie: here's a thingy
IvesL: do you guys love crabs?
Yanek: will it recompute all the rankings?
JohnyDaison: I submitted like 2 minutes before the end. Should've just let the previous one be there...
kovi: gl
what happens if they change random for final? ;)
struct: only legend league
Yanek: dang i was in gold and had good chance to beat boss just now
struct: yanek you can still get legend
yhyoxx: wait people actualy cracked the seed ?
BenjaminUrquhart: all running submits will complete
struct: if your submit is still going
Yanek: that's good to hear :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: eulerscheZahl is gonna go up on general leaderboard me thinks
kingSelom: now that the contest has ended, how do i find the challenge again? just wanted to continue playing with it
BenjaminUrquhart: gotta wait
BenjaminUrquhart: also 460 people computing atm
big_rooster_energy: i think they re-release it later this week
kingSelom: ok
eulerscheZahl: "eulerscheZahl is gonna go up on general leaderboard me thinks"
why?
eulerscheZahl: terrible contest performance from my side
IvesL: how do you check general leaderboard
MrCryptton: is there a way to backup our code now?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/general/global
eulerscheZahl: MrCryptton
https://www.codingame.com/contests/finished
view report
IvesL: is there a way to get there rather than hyperlinks?
pydlv: https://github.com/pydlv/codingame-spring-challenge
my code made in 3 hours
IvesL: i cant figure it out from the site
eulerscheZahl: activities => compete => leaderboard
IvesL: alright thanks
jrke: kingSelom CG will release game soon
jrke: oh damn this chat
eulerscheZahl: pydlv we don't publicly share code here
jrke: i didn't scrolled up till down
eulerscheZahl: "As the challenge game will be released soon as a classic game on the platform, please don’t share your code publicly."
https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736
MrCryptton: awesome, thank you eulerscheZahl !
PatrickMcGinnisII: gonna sell shotgun code, lol
Q12: but this report will be updated if your submit is still running, yeah?
Q12: like in the place you have reached
JohnyDaison: yup, I keep refreshing and hoping :)
eulerscheZahl: yes, the rank will update
Whatar: gg everyone
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmmm, decay on contest cp
PatrickMcGinnisII: so if I figure right, being in top 1k should generate 3k cp?
eulerscheZahl: HoriMiyamura with a broken bot. why?
Westicles: BbYy also
eulerscheZahl: maybe scared of cheat detection, who knows
eulerscheZahl: my website doesn't handle nickname changes :(
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/leaderboards/?user=4070745
eulerscheZahl: still showing the old name
struct: Seems like we have a awinner
struct: Big lead to 2nd place
struct: oh not over
eulerscheZahl: let's wait for recalc. but looks impressive
aCat: o,g ? 2 points, nice
struct: rank 4 is beating him
struct: 2/2
jrke: a confimed winner? that also without recurse in contest?
struct: 4/5*
eulerscheZahl: and with a few others in submit too, the opponent selection is not uniform now
struct: yeah
struct: I finally placed above recurse
struct: I peaked
eulerscheZahl: i might place below cegprakash
aCat: did he even participate?
struct: not that we know of
aCat: ;p
eulerscheZahl: then it doesn't count as beating him
aCat: yeah
aCat: formally you dont have higher score because he does not have score
jrke: recalc will be for top 100 right?
eulerscheZahl: all legend
jrke: ah oki
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736
After all matches are finished playing, we’ll rerun the entire Legend league. We’ll also do a check for cheaters. Then only, the ranking will be final.
eulerscheZahl: Next event: not yet announced. Stay tuned.
struct: I dont think I'll write a pm, I don't have anything to say.
HoriMiyamura: :D
eulerscheZahl: same struct
eulerscheZahl: HoriMiyamura why the broken submit?
jrke: shouldn't they first check for cheaters then rerun?
HoriMiyamura: I have 2 accounts
eulerscheZahl: that would be the better order
HoriMiyamura: so I let the other alive this time
eulerscheZahl: you love trouble, don't you?
[CG]Thibaud: :eyes:
HoriMiyamura: :D
eulerscheZahl: oh hi Thibaud. didn't intend to summon you
HoriMiyamura: well, :(
Insufficient: what do you need 2 accounts for? to have an unfair advantage on testing and submit limits? because you're not good enough to go toe to toe?
BenjaminUrquhart: I have 3 accounts, 2 of which didn't enter the contest :)
aCat: my LOCM entered gold :(
aCat: I didn't nerf him enough and bam, he advanced
mlomb: LOCM?
aCat: should be somewhere bottom now,
eulerscheZahl: accidentally promoting because you are just too good even if you try not to. common problem
aCat: ;p
struct: Yeap I had this problem the entire contest
eulerscheZahl: his 2nd account he created for the LOCM contest
aCat: and for streams / showing people things on CG, etc
eulerscheZahl: right
jrke: this is the biggest contest of CG till now right?
eulerscheZahl: it is
jrke: biggest in terms of participants
aCat: i suppose soe but I;m not good at adding numbers
HoriMiyamura: my intend is just hide the other
[CG]Thibaud: it is the biggest yes
eulerscheZahl: congrats on gathering so many players again. well done
aCat: Thib, you see how our uni did
aCat: :heart_eyes_cat:
Aeneas: Where is Recurse ?
eulerscheZahl: lots of familiar names coming from all corners
[CG]Thibaud: I don't check school leaderboard tbh
BenjaminUrquhart: recurse retired
Aeneas: awww :/
aCat: probably hardest fight ever
struct: still not over aCat
aCat: i know
Aeneas: I found this game very fun and complex !
eulerscheZahl: hardest fight by what metric?
aCat: but we have some good results here
Westicles: I wonder if all these Japanese guys at the top played it before?
aCat: like most of the time we wre not first, and even this morning we were winning like 200 points
eulerscheZahl: i don't think so. there are some very competitive Japanese players (here and also on topcoder)
eulerscheZahl: they just don't chat much. partially because of the language barrier
[CG]Thibaud: they chat on Twitter ^^
eulerscheZahl: oh, fight on school leaderboard?
aCat: yeah
IvesL: perhaps can google in japanese and find their presence
eulerscheZahl: and post long writeups on hatenablog
eulerscheZahl: i occasionally stalk some of them on twitter. also to see what contests are about to start
struct: terry is very active on twitter
CookieMonsterXL: Can we still see our code and play other players?
eulerscheZahl: wait until it will be moved to multiplayer section. then you can play again
JohnyDaison: you can see your code right now though, in the report
struct: I can see my code but I prefer not look at it ever again
eulerscheZahl: i might just find bugs and be sad
BenjaminUrquhart: isn't that how it is for everyone
BenjaminUrquhart: I fixed a bug 20 seconds before contest end
struct: no
struct: I dont even loooked for bugs
struct: I have no idea what my bot does
eulerscheZahl: there is a bug right in your spelling :P
struct: you are right
eulerscheZahl: still awake?
eulerscheZahl: get some rest
struct: Then my sleep schedule will be a mess
jrke: my first legend in contest!
eulerscheZahl: you promoted last-minute jrke?
eulerscheZahl: congrats!
struct: grats
jrke: not last minute but in last hour
jrke: some good guys pushed me from top gold to legend
eulerscheZahl: recent enough to still congratulate
jrke: thnx!
kingSelom: My second contest and still silver, how do i get prepare for next one? any recommendations
aCat: bronze already finished computing ;]
wlesavo: grats dbdr, last minute submit to legend :slight_smile:
dbdr: from zero to legend in 4 hours :)
wlesavo: :smiley:
dbdr: well, I knew the rules and I had the data structures
Westicles: I wonder if they'll fix the seed before making it a bot problem
abt8601: You mean seed cracking?
Westicles: yeah, use the secure one
abt8601: :thinking_face:
BenjaminUrquhart: doubt it
abt8601: But seriously, using a LCG in this scenario sounds like a recipe for disaster
jacek: people are abusing the seed?
eulerscheZahl: check forum
eulerscheZahl: first post mortem
jrke: seed cracking i think is not kind of unfair maybe its just another strategy ig
BenjaminUrquhart: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736/2
jacek: oh my
eulerscheZahl: i wanted to stop the bugs from moving is see if any opponent crashes on unexpected input. but CG fixed it already :(
eulerscheZahl: oh, nice profile pic
https://www.codingame.com/profile/2697bac58257106ef057fd1d9c899f9a777765
IvesL: top5 is unexpected at last
eulerscheZahl: still very much undecided at the top
IvesL: very close
IvesL: keeps changing slightly
BenjaminUrquhart: my results are in, my old bot would probably have been better, oh well
Yanek: yuss, got promoted to legend at 96% battles
Valdemar: heuristics got very high (2nd in JS), quite balanced game this time
IvesL: valdemar how many lines have you got
dbdr: congrats Yanek
kovi: 400 in legend
Yanek: thanks! :D
struct: grats
jrke: so there will be exact 400 in legend
jrke: cause ongoing submissions says that no one is near to legend atm
Valdemar: IvesL around 1.5k, including self-written data structures (vec2, fixed_vector instead of std::vector) and several usused functions
eulerscheZahl: sounds like someone is optimizing for fast code
Husenap: well played to everyone, it was a few very exciting days towards the end
dbdr: Valdemar what kind of search do you use?
Valdemar: bruteforce for 4 turn
Valdemar: only for attacker
eulerscheZahl: limited set of moves?
eulerscheZahl: like going between a spider and a certain point, fixed distance
Valdemar: yes, 8 direction + wait + wind to enemy base + control
eulerscheZahl: ah, i see
kovi: nice
eulerscheZahl: tried the same (less depth) but couldn't get it to work properly. maybe bad scoring function
aCat: ill you write a postmortem?
aCat: I had search for my triple cannon final phase
Valdemar: I guess i'll write pm this time
didn't expect it climb so high
aCat: but abondoned the strategy
aCat: yeah, please do
JuliusA: I'd love to read that postmortem!
Oh, and congratulations! :)
DjTrilogic: are simulations over ?
big_rooster_energy: i hope they rerun gold too :)
aCat: still 14 computing
aCat: and then legend rerun...
abt8601: But silver and below are done
Valdemar: eulerscheZahl in friday difference between top-100 gold and top-10 legend was only in scoring function, so it matters very much in my solution, especially because of small depth
DjTrilogic: i think it would be more fair to run equal number of fights for all players
Valdemar: DjTrilogic whole legend will be recalculated with hundred matches
struct: run for 7.7k players?
DjTrilogic: what about gold ?
struct: What if people got promoted after recalc?
struct: do we recalc again if it happens
jrke: while no_one_promoted:
recalc()
jrke: :grinning:
DragonOfTheWest: bruv rofl
big_rooster_energy: a lot of people submitted at the last minute making the promotions irregular, a number of those people who went gold to legend just now are top100
JuliusA: xD
abt8601: Looks like an ungodly amount of time
DragonOfTheWest: ^ problem with high gold is that people that didn't choose offense now counter pretty much the entirety of legend
DragonOfTheWest: because legend consists only of double and tripple canons lul
elurisoto: I think I may have a chance to get to legend if there's a recalc for gold
Insufficient: no, legend is a mix of 0/1/2/3 attackers
Darleanow: hello guys
Darleanow: where can i find the weekly puzzle ?
DragonOfTheWest: just 6 more computing, and then another recalculation @Valdemar
DragonOfTheWest: ?
struct: yes
struct: Is it 500 battles per player?
DragonOfTheWest: 500????
DomiKo: struct have you seen?
jrke: yeah last recalc had 500 battles
jrke: SC21
VizGhar: guys?... no immediate invitation to next contest :|
struct: seen what DomiKo?
DomiKo: my result went down ...
DomiKo: by a lot :(
eulerscheZahl: as stated on the forum VizGhar
struct: yeah :/
struct: I saw that
struct: you were 10th at some point
VizGhar: forum? going to check
VizGhar: "Next event: not yet announced. Stay tuned."
VizGhar: what can we expect? :(
struct: They lose a few instant signups by not having it ready
aCat: yeah
abt8601: Was SC22 ready when FC21 ended?
aCat: FC21 was notexistent
struct: Im talking about the page to signup, not the contest
wlesavo: 1 computing :slight_smile: is it silver to legend submit?
aCat: lol
struct: SC22 was ready by the time SC2019 finished
aCat: sc22 was ready in 2018
aCat: :/
wlesavo: :smiley:
aCat: id like this t be a joke
struct: please no more fog contests :'(
PatrickMcGinnisII: um, yea... no
struct: I suffered too much
Westicles: turn the taco bot on before he starts swearing
wlesavo: make it frog contest
abt8601: So are imperfect information games uncommon on this platform?
struct: no
eulerscheZahl: are we all watching Egaro555 now?
struct: There are people that love them, I hate them
jrke: yess eulerscheZahl
jrke: :grinning:
eulerscheZahl: hurry up Egaro
struct: I hate the games, not the people
Egaro555: :)
Husenap: dang look at that win streak
cegprakash: I want that streak in my first 10 games
VizGhar: (and in all others)
Husenap: true :P
jrke: https://prnt.sc/5m8WSN3pYzLM
jrke: contest ended at 1:30 in indian time
eulerscheZahl: late promotion
VizGhar: heh
jrke: very late
cegprakash: celebrity of the day Egaro555
kovi: could be worse
a troll bot from bronze, winning all games but still taking 200 turn and 50ms
eulerscheZahl: plan for next contest: from bronze to legend. just to annoy everyone
Egaro555: Finish :smile:
eulerscheZahl: started
jrke: :smiley:
Husenap: lol
jrke: time for recalc!
jrke: atb to everyone!
eulerscheZahl: looked automated, as it started so fast
[CG]Thibaud: it is
wlesavo: choose your fighter :smiley:
ddreams: nice, got to legend with my last minute push
DomiKo: grats!
struct: grats
ddreams: thx :)
struct: Im out for a few hours, need to get some rest
ddreams: my second child was born on wednesday, so didn't have much time this contest :D
jrke: wow gratz!
Husenap: that's the real win
DomiKo: 2x grats!!!
VizGhar: grats ddreams
abt8601: congrats
cegprakash: no recalc? just extra games?
yhyoxx: congrats !!
eulerscheZahl: that is the recalc
jrke: cegprakash thats recalc
eulerscheZahl: you always kept your previous rank as seeding
ddreams: have to work on the timing though... was 1.5 years ago since the last one (for the 2020 fall contest)
wlesavo: cant believe top5 is so close
jrke: i would have changed that top 3 prize to top 5 prize
aCat: and tshirts form top20 to top 50 pr 100
aCat: CG had twice or troiple less participants yars ago
cclaude42: Anyone know how long it usually takes for recalcs n stuff ?
cclaude42: Impatient to know the final results!
eulerscheZahl: and who pays the prizes?
eulerscheZahl: can take 4 hours
jrke: cclaude42 maybe 4-5 hours?
abt8601: cclaude42 They also have to check for cheaters so I guess it may take days
PatrickMcGinnisII: eww, 2 are negative
eulerscheZahl: usually it's less players when it takes 4 hours. but also more search-heavy bots. so these effects might cancel out
Westicles: how did CaptainHamburger end up at bottom?
cclaude42: Dope, thanks!
Westicles: he was like 15 at one point
DomiKo: btw exactly 400 people in legend :D
DomiKo: Hambuger is doing "WAIT" all the time now
eulerscheZahl: why would anyone cripple their bot that hard?
aCat: I can pay for prizes for myself ;]
DomiKo: euler idk
eulerscheZahl: hiding and forgetting when the contest ends?
jrke: are CG staff also going to get removed from final leaderboard??:smiley:
VizGhar: Now I'm sad I didn't invest a little bit more time into it :) stopped when reached legend
eulerscheZahl: when spending many hours on that bot, i wouldn't break it at the end
wlesavo: Could he also have 2 accs?
eulerscheZahl: no jrke, why should they?
abt8601: eulerscheZahl One of them said they have an alt so they sabotaged one of them and kept the alt alive
jrke: was just curious to know
eulerscheZahl: yes i saw that
Husenap: but CG could probably check history
Westicles: oh brother. the top american I was rooting for was a Japanese smurf or something
jrke: suppose accidentally one of them got in top 20?
eulerscheZahl: but an alt in top20?
eulerscheZahl: time to write your own bots to root for, Westicles?
ddreams: reminds me of the tetris competition.. my last entry had a fatal bug so it ended in bottom of legend
VizGhar: westicles change your country to something exotic and youlll be first
[CG]Thibaud: no way we get into top 20. I guess we would avoid entering top 100
eulerscheZahl: tetris? do you mean puyo-puyo (smash the code)?
jrke: ohh cool nicee
[CG]Thibaud: I was 100 on Saturday morning :grinning:
cegprakash: I don't like how the recalc is going so far fo me -_- losing streak
jrke: :smile:
ddreams: I guess so
aCat: sundey morning 2018 ;p
Westicles: VizGhar, nice I didn't realize I won my country
DragonOfTheWest: same @ceg
eulerscheZahl: you put in a lot of effort to organize a contest and make everyone happy. i don't see anything wrong in you enjoying the event yourself by writing bots too
[CG]Thibaud: yeah, I like those games
Husenap: maybe they already have too much merch and don't want more xD
aCat: can we get some fresh one next time Thib, ?
VizGhar: Or can we make one? :)
[CG]Thibaud: what difference does it make?
rafaelSorel: 250 run still 8%, how many runs for the finals ?
eulerscheZahl: i like it a bit more on the search side. somewhere between this and the last contest. the sweet spot
aCat: it makes
aCat: one it is like second-handed used shirt
**PatrickMcGinnisII has an ouchie. :smirk:
eulerscheZahl: still nice to see a community gathering, even if it's not my strongest type of game
aCat: two there were probably some people with advantage
aCat: and we can make games ;]
eulerscheZahl: return of community contests?
aCat: ehh please
jrke: Samsung SDG's players were at top till few days ago
jrke: SDS*
aCat: the game was strange (other word for awful ;p) but with not a good contest from such a long time
aCat: happy cat
aCat: hope top 50
aCat: this cat needs acheievement :(
[CG]Thibaud: I don't believe players who played it in their company got a real advantage
DragonOfTheWest: tbh the cannon strats were a bit too much imo. Would've been nice to see some kind of stack reduction on wind casts.
eulerscheZahl: DragonOfTheWest++
[CG]Thibaud: there is a challenge in the making in some company. Should be open to all community
DragonOfTheWest: just so that enemies can't triple cannon out of your vision range
eulerscheZahl: oh, that sounds interesting Thibaud. like Crstal Rush?
aCat: game was quite unbalanced, heavy for sims, and very meta-dependent
jrke: does anybody also think that shielding opponent heros are sometimes beneficial?
DomiKo: yes it is
aCat: but the event itself was great
DragonOfTheWest: but I do think it was an unintended game mechanic xd. Blasterpoard started it on day 4 or something I recall.
DragonOfTheWest: @jrke yes it is, with cannon strats rofl
[CG]Thibaud: yup, stack wind was a bit too much. Unintended indeed
aCat: triple cannon my love
BenLev: hi.
[CG]Thibaud: Also, somewhat counterable
PatrickMcGinnisII: i snuck in the sofia labs challenge, lol
jrke: for canon strat you have to be quick else your defense is gonna fail miserably
[CG]Thibaud: yeah, plus stack heroes are vulnerable to winds
Westicles: can't do it again though. all the titans will find old hackathons now and be ready
DragonOfTheWest: still though, the attack is just way to powerful
DragonOfTheWest: farm mana for 30 turns, and then just tripple cannon the enemy
DragonOfTheWest: no real counterplay except for positioning your defenders in such a way that they explore outside of your base
DragonOfTheWest: and even then, if they attack from the "far" side (so if your x is 0, from high y), you can't counter it as well
[CG]Thibaud: oh, and you were mentioning community challenges
[CG]Thibaud: bot programming events appearing tehre: https://www.codingame.com/events will give CP
DomiKo: extra CP?
[CG]Thibaud: ah sry
[CG]Thibaud: not CP
DragonOfTheWest: @thibaud, how easy is it to create your own custom bot like challenge like this one?
raxkin: My strat for countering it is keep a defender near them with a shield(to avoid push back), and keep puting shields on near monsters so they can push them and also shield range > push range
DomiKo: EXP?
[CG]Thibaud: points for contest leaderboard
DomiKo: ohhh
[CG]Thibaud: yeah CP ahah :upside_down:
raxkin: Worked on some cases
DragonOfTheWest: @raxkin, yes but also no, relies on that you actually find the attacker
[CG]Thibaud: DragonOfTheWest not easy at all
DomiKo: and you fixed the issue with CP for previous contests :D
DomiKo: Do you know how many CP points? Like for normal bot programming? 5K?
raxkin: DragonOfTheWest yea, if i don't find the attacker fast enought i can't counter it
DragonOfTheWest: @Thibaud im willing to give it a shot, are there any resources on it?
jrke: DragonOfTheWest https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/create-a-multiplayer-game
DragonOfTheWest: thanks for reading my mind
aCat: so wait, I missed some chat, there will be some open call for creating a programming game?
[CG]Thibaud: same as challenges Domiko
DragonOfTheWest: can you add, other languages than java though?
aCat: kotlin
DragonOfTheWest: then*
5DN1L: "than" is correct
DragonOfTheWest: oh
DragonOfTheWest: im dumb, nice
VizGhar: you can go with kotlin :) the SDK works with maven, so you can import necessary kotlin dependencies
DragonOfTheWest: but can you also, for custom games, support c++?
jrke: i wanted to create a multi player game so i learnt java only that much which was needed to make
eulerscheZahl: aCat i think it's about "events". such as the puzzle of the week, just for bots
VizGhar: what you mean custom games? If it have viewer, it is implemented in Java/Kotlin
eulerscheZahl: i know this is planned. but not a real contest
VizGhar: *has
DomiKo: but it will add CP points to "contest leaderboard"
Westicles: So they'll use existing ones or only new ones?
eulerscheZahl: correct me when i'm wrong. i'd love to be wrong
eulerscheZahl: a contest is not just (or not even mainly) about CP
eulerscheZahl: new game, fixed timeline, lots of players
VizGhar: Just wait for official statement :P
eulerscheZahl: ok
eulerscheZahl: does Viz know more? :thinking:
Westicles: I bet it will be old ones... connect4 and whatnot
[CG]Thibaud: yes, community games
DomiKo: more players will play those games, so cool
jrke: after long i am watching D&B replays
jrke: there was a time when i just spent whole days on it
jrke: :grimacing:
DragonOfTheWest: @thibaud, when you create the custom game, can you use any language when playing it or just Java?
[CG]Thibaud: I'm not particularly fond of this. But it means :
- more visibility to some nice community games
- contest-like experience (or close)
jrke: so POTW replaced by events?
jrke: right?
DomiKo: sounds good to me
[CG]Thibaud: yes jrke
jrke: nice
[CG]Thibaud: any language DragonOfTheWest
VizGhar: I know nothing more than Jon Snow euler :P
eulerscheZahl: any for playing, JVM for creating (java, clojure, scala, kotlin)
VizGhar: Hmm I'll make some visually appealing game then :)
eulerscheZahl: who's Jon Snow?
Oedipe: What are other games like the last challenge's one? Would love to practice
Westicles: soul snatchers?
Oedipe: Thank you I'll go look into it
IvesL: broomstick flyers
SirLoxley: I liked it a lot this time that the game state wasn't fully known, i.e. the fog really added a lot of appeal
IvesL: its quite the same you push targets to goals
jrke: Oedipe there are many in bot progamming page
VizGhar: Code royale maybe too
DragonOfTheWest: @Thibaud just not hacklang :c
jrke: i would like to see if my clash bot still works
jrke: :grinning:
jacek: clash bot?
jrke: i made it year ago
nalka0: Is it normal that the whole legend league is being recomputed?
nalka0: Will it happen for other leagues too?
abt8601: Yes, only legend
nalka0: What's the explanation for this?
DragonOfTheWest: some people get dorment stuck in positions
abt8601: To get more accurate rankings for the top players
DragonOfTheWest: this will make the rankings as fair as possible
nalka0: But like why wouldn't that be a thing for other leagues than legend?
jacek: you dont get t-shirt in other league
nalka0: Alright you got a point but everyone deserves more accurate rankings right?
Kasparas: wow, legend is packed, 400 bots :o
Westicles: crazy that #1 fell to #10. might need to run it 10k times
DomiKo: I gained 1.8 already. Ranking wasn't stable at all
jordonez: how can i see the final ranking?
Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2022/leaderboard
jordonez: thanks
Nerchio: still calculating
eulerscheZahl: DomiKo 12:12ᴾᴹ
I gained 1.8 already. Ranking wasn't stable at all
everyone gained points when it started. that's how recalcs work somehow. everyone gaining, then most of us slowly dropping again
eulerscheZahl: the rank gain/loss is the relevant part
DomiKo: I went from ~30 to ~20
jrke: i went 341 from 284
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/631447496
and the catapult in top10
DomiKo: the old close top 5 is now far away
eulerscheZahl: should have gone of that nonsense strategy maybe
eulerscheZahl: looks easy to code
DomiKo: catapult of wroclaw ;)
eulerscheZahl: somehow toto and bondo only at 14% progress with the rest of us over 50%
eulerscheZahl: oh, same for some at lower ranks, nevermind
kovi: thourough search and/or tough defense to last200
kovi: (3 defenders)
Dapps: really interested to see post mortems. wonder what type of approaches people went with other than heuristics
5DN1L: Have you checked out the forum post? Some people have posted theirs
Kururugi: is there a list of quest map achievements requirements for each level(gold, silver) etc?
5DN1L: You mean you want to see the hidden ones?
5DN1L: The small icons along the paths give you an idea of how many achievements are required for that particular level
VizGhar: Just ask what exactly you want to know and we will tell Kururugi
eulerscheZahl: does the same apply if I ask a question?
eulerscheZahl: lottery numbers of next week please. private messages are preferred
VizGhar: Which lottery exactly?
I'll tell you the numbers but they wont be correct (its not contradicting my post)
eulerscheZahl: hm, i didn't consider that
VizGhar: ok ok... still want those numbers?
eulerscheZahl: no
VizGhar: It's harder to guess than java random as you can tell :)
eulerscheZahl: RealWorld.Random()
VizGhar: Didn't know I can guess the random that easily in java
eulerscheZahl: someone managed to reverse the generator for Number Shifting. and reCurse reversed some seeds for COde4Life
eulerscheZahl: somehow i assumed that double + rounding would be harder than integers and not feasible
Karang: integer is harder than double
Karang: (if the bound for integer is non power of two, it gets tricky)
eulerscheZahl: topcoder just uses SecureRandom. i'm not aware of anyone ever reversing it
Karang: double always do 2 next, so it is very predictable
eulerscheZahl: interesting
abt8601: Well, I guess if someone manages to reverse SecureRandom, then it probably deserves a CVE
VizGhar: :thumbsup:
jordonez: I'm very interested to see post mortems, where do people usually post them?
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736
jordonez: thanks!
_Royale: Karang: haha I love your strategy, nice work :)
Karang: thanks :)
DomiKo: Sorry wala :(
actualCoderTrevor: Seems like a lot of people took advantage of symmetry. Wish I'd thought of that.
eulerscheZahl: i saw it but was too lazy to use that knowledge
Husenap: symmerty in combination with predicting monsters outside of vision improved my bot a lot
eulerscheZahl: but you are at the top, showing that you were willing to put effort into it
Husenap: yup
Husenap: just saying it's worth it :)
_NikJ: I saw someone mention it on discord and I tried to implement it, but ended up failing miserably
Karang: it helps but you still need a good strategie on top of the prediction to take advantage of it
Karang: I might have spent too much time on the prediction part
Husenap: yeah, it's tricky, you have to decide what to do with the monsters that are outside your vision
DustinNunyo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/cfaf1a87-8870-4e67-8119-af6011f7776b
DustinNunyo: Oh wow... So I guess if your message is too long it just pastebins it. lol
5DN1L: yes
5DN1L: and i don't think there's a bug in python of CG
Astrobytes: what?! Ofc there is! Everyone knows that :D
5DN1L: :smirk:
DustinNunyo: I mean, I'm doing the Fall 2020 challenge this is my code.
DustinNunyo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e37e3581-6f7b-44b0-9d0e-35a015fa1bb8
Westicles: so when nma is the only guy left, all his opponents aren't impacted by the results?
DustinNunyo: if you give me a minute; I will try to clean it up to just the part that is causing the issue.
Whatar: might be related, on python when you to list2 = list1 you are not making a new list, you make a new list with list2 = list1.copy()
DustinNunyo: Errr, isn't list2 = list1 supposed to create a dereferenced pointed that points to list1 and store it in list2 in python?
DustinNunyo: pointer*
5DN1L: nope
DustinNunyo: yes it does... I just tested it
DustinNunyo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/143def73-622c-483b-91c1-8d39d2488cce
5DN1L: yeah, so both list1 and list2 are affected
5DN1L: what's the issue
DustinNunyo: It's not an issue, you just said that list2 = list1 does not create a dereferenced pointer that points to list1 and stores it in list2 but that is actually exactly what is happening on the backend. You are storing a reference not a value.
5DN1L: ok maybe i misunderstand what you said
5DN1L: my understanding is that both lists are modified that way
eulerscheZahl: it's also Python's understanding. and that's what matters
DustinNunyo: nah, list1 just points to the same memory address as list2 there aren't actually 2 lists just 2 names for the same list.
5DN1L: and?
5DN1L: what do you want to achieve?
VizGhar: In Java everything that isn't primitive type is reference :P That's why I love C you know exactly what is happening
eulerscheZahl: you mean assembler
5DN1L: i also know exactly what is happening in python, i guess :P
eulerscheZahl: you don't know it under the hood
5DN1L: nah, i don't know
eulerscheZahl: even an integer in python is a complicated thing
5DN1L: all i need to know is how the variables change :P
eulerscheZahl: how many bytes does an integer take? quick
Tuo: i thought everything is a reference in python
5DN1L: i never care about what's behind the scene
Whatar: python does know what is happening, that's enough for me :heart_eyes:
VizGhar: :D then you don't understand it
DustinNunyo: not EVERYTHING. I think that ints and whatnot are stored as values
Westicles: the french always say they should add a MPR library and be done with it
DustinNunyo: it's only collections that are stored as reference in python.
eulerscheZahl: MPR? mad pod racing?
Westicles: yeah
5DN1L: Anyway what's the "bug" then, DustinNunyo?
eulerscheZahl: from MPR import reCurse
VizGhar: eulerscheZahl how much is int? 4?
eulerscheZahl: not sure, but much more
VizGhar: ??? is this python specific?
DustinNunyo: Well I linked you the code earlier. I haven't had a chance to prune it down to just the bits causing the issue though.
DustinNunyo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6ac5d835-8353-447b-b1d1-6e3442de827a
DustinNunyo: This is for Fall Challenge 2020 Wood 1 League
5DN1L: Explain what's bugging you with that code
eulerscheZahl: >>> sys.getsizeof(int())
24
DustinNunyo: the opponent's spells are being stored inside of the player object
eulerscheZahl: then it grows when storing larger values
DustinNunyo: (and I imagine vice versa is probably true as well)
VizGhar: aha... sure... thats why they can compute 1000! without thinking
DustinNunyo: in other words the line that says "player.spells[ action_id ] = Spell()" ends up creating a spell object in both the player and the opponent class.
eulerscheZahl: and i'm pretty sure almost no one knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes when doing so
eulerscheZahl: it's fine, we rarely have to know
eulerscheZahl: that's the whole point of abstraction. we can concentrate on other things
eulerscheZahl: i just disagree with
"i also know exactly what is happening in python, i guess :P"
5DN1L: fine, i'm just not exact enough :(
Astrobytes: lol, fixit
Tuo: >>> sys.getsizeof(int(0))
12
>>> sys.getsizeof(int(1))
14
Tuo: how you explaing this ? :)
eulerscheZahl: python3?
Tuo: y
eulerscheZahl: i get 24
DustinNunyo: @Tuo you think that is weird? Try checking the size of a float vs an int of equivalent numerical value. lol
eulerscheZahl: and 28 for int(1)
yhyoxx: when top 10 postmortems ?
eulerscheZahl: when top10 decide to write them
Tuo: im 64x, the point was that there is a difference
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/bowwowforeach
the winner is tweeting already
yhyoxx: Husenap wen postmortem ? :weary:
Astrobytes: "I've only been a kid for the past few days, so I'm a beard."
eulerscheZahl: expect more details on https://bowwowforeach.hatenablog.com/
Astrobytes: gotta love google translate and Japanese
eulerscheZahl: sounds like something went wrong with tran...
eulerscheZahl: yes, that
Astrobytes: I don't care what the real meaning is, I like that statement just as it is
eulerscheZahl: for a previous contest everyone was writing about their grandma suddenly
eulerscheZahl: took me a while to realize it's about the witch of the contest game
Astrobytes: haha
DustinNunyo: :'( Well, it's definitely a bug in my code
DustinNunyo: I just simplified it down and it's working fine.
jrke: recalc completed!
DustinNunyo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/861894aa-0679-4a98-838a-2c84f013be5e
5DN1L: :thumbsup: DustinNunyo
abt8601: Recomputations are over
VizGhar: python is highly usable garbage
VizGhar: oh... it scrolled like 20pages :D sorry
gaha: I though speed didn't matter much in this contest
gaha: but then top7 ended up non python
gaha: and 6 are C++
abt8601: Maybe they use some form of search
Mattant: gaha so you're the best of python users?
DustinNunyo: ooooh, wait a minute... I see what is going on... I am defining the spells list outside of the __init__() method and so it's treating it like a static member for some reason.
DustinNunyo: class Foo(): http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bc1b861b-13be-4b3b-adbf-aea6fa4bcb69
Gerritvw: v m
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j4at: Python uses arbitrary precision integers
j4at: oops old message
5DN1L: no spamming please Gerritvw
gaha: Mattant yeah
Husenap: speed doesn't matter, I ended up on top 4 with
average turn time: 0.03ms
Tuo: DustinNunyo check this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12409714/python-class-members
Tuo: Husenap u mean 0.03 s not ms?
Husenap: no I mean ms
Husenap: the time does not include reading input
Husenap: it's the time it takes for the logic of one turn
jacek: applied ifology?
DustinNunyo: @Tuo Thanks man!
Husenap: 👌
Husenap: you know it, jacek
Mattant: This contest was one big applied ifology test lol
Husenap: it's gonna be interesting to see what people come up with later
Husenap: but I enjoyed this contest quite a bit, the battle at the top of the leaderboard was wild
Dapps: i had a lot of fun. just wish we don't need to wait a year for the next one :(
jacek: well, one was cracking prng seed ~
SalvoUndMartina: python wixer
DustinNunyo: wow... that bug took a minute to solve... At least now I know how to do static and non-static members in python. lol That being said, I think that I already knew how to do them once upon a time... lol
InDeSchrank: niemer hät eu gern
DragonOfTheWest: blasterpoard was doing actual computations
SalvoUndMartina: Who asked
DragonOfTheWest: im just curious what kind of algo that guy had
Westicles: bowwows algorithm was "an instantiation of happy clouds"
Astrobytes: and he said "I've only been a kid for the past few days, so I'm a beard."
Husenap: wth
Astrobytes: That's some raw knowledge.
jacek: Automaton2000 what does it mean?
Automaton2000: i know where you are going to have to do anything
Husenap: 🤔
SalvoUndMartina: father is abusive
SalvoUndMartina: They took the precious
5DN1L: no spamming please
jacek: :no_mouth:
Fwcode: 0/10k codin points for the contest?
Miki09: Automaton2000 what does the fox say?
Automaton2000: and i like the idea
cclaude42: So it's over ? :o
cclaude42: No more computing looks like
abt8601: Yes it's pretty much over
eulerscheZahl: it's completely over
eulerscheZahl: next: global leaderboard updates, achievements, release in multiplayer section, shipment of prizes
eulerscheZahl: and hopefully: announcement of next contest
[ron]: @Fwcode: points computed once per day - so expect to see your points within less than 24 hrs
yhyoxx: why wouldnt they do another contest ?
eulerscheZahl: i mean: hopefully another one soon
yhyoxx: fall ?
[ron]: just one per year now?
Fwcode: @[ron] ty
eulerscheZahl: thibaud mentioned some company contest that might be open to everyone. didn't say anything about the time schedule
Astrobytes: inb4 "we haven't decided yet" :P
jacek: didnt he meant this one? ;o
Ose: Hi guys
wlesavo: jacek :smiley:
Ose: Wow I remember some of you
KalamariKing: oh hey Ose
Ose: I have'nt
Astrobytes: time to abandon the chat again
KalamariKing: fr
demetedPufferfish: Hi, I did the spring challenge 2022 yesterday before it ended. I wanted to keep coding it today, but I couldn't find it. Could someone tell me where to keep coding the spring challenge?
Ose: Oh
eulerscheZahl: you will soon find the game here: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
Ose: I missed the spring challenge.
demetedPufferfish: Could you tell me when it will be available?
jacek: probably next week
Ose: I signed up for it last year
demetedPufferfish: Ok, Thank You!
Ose: I only remember jackek
jacek: oh my
eulerscheZahl: do you remember Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: did you just make a function bool shouldusewind(hero, monster) { //add 10-15 conditions }
Ose: Yes!
Ose: French person
Ose: I only remember some of the mods
eulerscheZahl: speaks poor english. but always happy to chat with you
therealbeef: did Automaton2000 already pick up lang from this contest? :O
Automaton2000: thought i had to do some it stuff/decision at the customer
Ose: 2 of the mods
eulerscheZahl: which ones?
Ose: But I forget
Ose: 5DN1L
Astrobytes: not even a day and the chat is back to tripe again
Ose: Oops
Ose: :relieved:
jacek: :taco: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: yeah i think i can do something like
Ose: Well better get going!
Ose: See ya!
DustinNunyo: I have a question, is CG smart about assertions? What I mean is, if I put assertions in my code for testing; those assertions won't run in the arena correct?
Ose: CG must be complex so, yes
aangairbender: I think they will
aangairbender: code in arena should behave exactly as in ide
DustinNunyo: I guess a good way to test it is to just assert(False) at the top of my code and push my bot... lol
jacek: the code will run the same as in ide as well in arena
Astrobytes: if you mean C++ you must #define NDEBUG to deactivate assert()
DustinNunyo: I was referring to python but that is actually good to know about C++ as I do plan to start using it more.
Astrobytes: (before you include <cassert>)
Ose: I said I will be leaving Codingame soon
Ose: :no_mouth:
Ose: Alright this time I'm really getting on to coging
Ose: coding
Ose: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/tCn-LRu-anv-HTz/in-game
DomiKo: is contest officially over?
Astrobytes: yep
DomiKo: any cheaters?
Astrobytes: donno tbh
DustinNunyo: Dang... This 2020 Fall Challenge is rough... lol
Ose: Eh..
Miki09: Is fall challenge 2022 going to be bot programming?
DomiKo: yes
Miki09: Or coding escape?
DustinNunyo: aren't all the seasonal challenges bot programming?
Miki09: no
Astrobytes: we don't even know if there will be one yet
IvesL: i think escape was just a one time public test last time
Miki09: contests 2018: 7 contests. 2021: 2 contests :-(
jacek: 2?
Astrobytes: yeah, we were spoiled in 2018
Astrobytes: there was only one last year
Miki09: if you count fall then 2
DomiKo: imagine being at CT in 2014
DomiKo: CG*
Astrobytes: I don't count escapes
Ose: Please do not leave
Miki09: Why dont we have more events? :-(
Astrobytes: it's not a priority, they don't have the resources
jacek: they spent all moneys for lawyers and copyrighters
Astrobytes: concentrating on the CG for Work (it is their income after all)
Miki09: And what if community would make contests for free?
Miki09: like mean max§
Tuo: we should figure out a way to profit from our self!
Astrobytes: we used to do that
Miki09: then why not now?
Tuo: then lots of content :)
Astrobytes: but they don't have the time or resources to do all the testing and advertising
Astrobytes: plus server costs etc etc
Miki09: :-(
Astrobytes: hey, it was great while it lasted; we were lucky
Smelty: gg contest is over
Ose: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/tCn-LRu-anv-HTz/in-game
Astrobytes: Ose: can you just stop
eulerscheZahl: DomiKo 04:03ᴾᴹ
any cheaters?
still 7705 players. no idea if they ran the check yet
DomiKo: ok
Dapps: cheaters as in code sharing?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: in the past there were always a few inconsiderate players who used a public github repo
eulerscheZahl: and others who thought they were clever
eulerscheZahl: then player count dropped a bit after their automated cheat check
eulerscheZahl: always the same few suspects that get removed :P
Astrobytes: indeed
eulerscheZahl: i was bored one day. so i generated some replays under the same conditions and compared them (i can't see the code, so false positives / negatives are possible)
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/leaderboards/?game=hypersonic
eulerscheZahl: the 3rd of the contest shared the code after the end
cegprakash: recalc pushed me down 20 ranks -_-
cegprakash: at least not so bad as it usually is
-Revelation-: How many people participated?
eulerscheZahl: 7705
-Revelation-: thx
Dapps: hmm. now what to do with all this free time
kurnevsky: Solve all previous challenges that you missed :)
DomiKo: you can do many bot games here :D
eulerscheZahl: you can even create new games if you run out
Bob: do this one :p
https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-of-the-realm
kurnevsky: Or just improve your bot so it can take 1st place :)
eulerscheZahl: just dont do https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-of-the-realm---1v1/leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: that's my only top spot and i want to keep it
Dapps: kurnevsky waiting to read bowow post mortem to copy it ;)
Bob: :D
Husenap: lol
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:
DomiKo: big lead
Dapps: eulerscheZahl challenge accepted! let me try this one out
eulerscheZahl: i predict a post mortem at https://bowwowforeach.hatenablog.com/
eulerscheZahl: (not there yet)
Dapps: Bob cool i love king domino
SadKris: Any tips for Shortest?
eulerscheZahl: https://clemg.github.io/pythongolfer/
jacek: use python or ruby
Bob: Dapps :)
aCat: no achievements given yet for the contest?
Darleanow: Hello guys, i with a client and i really need help about SQL server reporting services, and ASP.NET
Darleanow: is someone familiar with it ?
eulerscheZahl: always takes a day or so aCat
Astrobytes: aCat: you should know by now that it takes a couple of days! :P
eulerscheZahl: haha
Astrobytes: :D
aCat: hmm
aCat: last achievement for the contest I got some years ago
aCat: so nope ;p do't remember ;p
Astrobytes: hehehe
eulerscheZahl: same aCat
eulerscheZahl: i don't get better
SadKris: Where do I access the contest?
jacek: its over. it will be available as bot programming next week
eulerscheZahl: maybe even earlier
SadKris: Where would I have? Under Events?
Wontonimo: well, that was a fun contest. I didn't have the time I wanted to invest in it and didn't get to Legend, but it was nice seeing everyone and being part of the struggle
jacek: yes, it was in events as well the main page
5DN1L: ACTIVITIES > COMPETE > CONTESTS
ClockSort: is there a Fall 2022 Challenge planned?
5DN1L: No plans announced yet. We don't know
ClockSort: hoping for a contest like this one :D
jacek: we can always make our own contest with blackjack and hookers
Astrobytes: DomiKo: 6 players removed
Wontonimo: wdym 6 players removed?
Westicles: They killed CaptainHamburger!
Wontonimo: oh? why
HoriMiyamura: what is wdym?
abt8601: what do you mean
Astrobytes: the anti-cheat
Astrobytes: duplicate code
Wontonimo: oh
Wontonimo: tisk tisk
Wontonimo: naughty naughty
DomiKo: 6!!!
abt8601: Is it a big number compared to past contests?
Wontonimo: there really isn't that much code. it could just all be pre-processed, hashed and soft duplicates quickly found
DomiKo: 6 From Legend :anguished:
Wontonimo: where do you see who was removed?
Astrobytes: well, I noticed the player count drop from 7705 to 7699
Wontonimo: or did someone take a snapshot of before
DomiKo: Legend had exactly 400 players. Now its 394
Wontonimo: ah, yeah the count would do it
Astrobytes: I always count using the main player count, I tend to forget how many were in legend
Wontonimo: I'd love to run a NN over the solutions and see if it can generate novel working solutions
Astrobytes: run it over your versions of your own bot
Wontonimo: i didn't get to legend though
Astrobytes: no, but you might still generate a novel working solution
Wontonimo: also, it would be a very small set
Astrobytes: :D
Wontonimo: true.
Astrobytes: afk
jacek: :taco: Wontonimo
Waffle3z: gold silver and bronze all have around 2k each, pretty even
Waffle3z: when do contests usually open back up as a multi?
jacek: 30th february
Waffle3z: cool that's in a couple days
JRFerguson: Waffle3z it has changed, sometimes it opened right after and sometimes it was longer, but most often they take 3 days
Butanium: any chance that cannon will be patched in the multiplayer game ?
antiwonto: [auto] jacek has awarded Wontonimo 10 tacos. Wontonimo now has 45 taco. jacek now has 15 taco
Wontonimo: tacos are back
abt8601: taco powers
antiwonto: [auto] That taco command has moved to the #taco channel
Wontonimo: oh, the taco channel isn't on ... just a sec
NewCoder09: :taco: Wontonimo
Wontonimo: okay, it is up and ready
NewCoder09: hey wonton
Wontonimo: :( I missed that taco, but thanks NewCoder09
Wontonimo: Hey NewCoder09
Westicles: yikes, the guys removed were corporate, how embarrasing
jacek: justic and law corporate?
_Royale: Karang: are you still there?
Karang: yeah
_Royale: I was wondering if you had issues with this HashMap https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L288
_Royale: when multiple mobs get pushed outside of the base on the same turn, they consume the Random generator in the order they get out of the HashMap
jacek: cracking random seed?
Karang: I chose to ignore it, basically it prevented me from predicting the mob direction, but i could just maintain the seed by skipping n nextDouble
_Royale: no when I tried to 100% reproduce the referee I had differences I was not able to fix because of this HashMap
Karang: there is a PR someone opened to change it
_Royale: Karang: oh of course I see, you don't get out of sync
Butanium: #test we can create channels ?
Astrobytes: yes
Karang: if the order was predictable, i could have resync more easely and do more predictions
Butanium: wait you could get the seed from a match Karang ?
Westicles: Now down to 392,
Karang: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736/2
Westicles: they got Hori
_Royale: Karang: thanks I did not see that PR. If I remember correctly we already had an issue on a previous contest because of Java HashMaps
Karang: yeah it's anoying especially if they don't define a hash for their objects
jordanemedlock: h
jacek: !
5DN1L: h + i = hi
5DN1L: Forum about the contest: "The results are now official"
Butanium: > FYI, we have removed 10 bots from the Legend league: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/22cd71d3-befb-4210-a72c-7095155c585d
Butanium: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736/30
Link_jon: .... Okay, my for loop is throwing me through a loop.-- 1, 3, 2, is appearntly the correct way to count
jacek: oO
Badoobicus: lol arena going WAY faster now that the contest is over
Wontonimo: which arena ?
Wontonimo: if you are using javascript foreach Link_jon, that happens
Badoobicus: Pod Racing
jacek: all arenas
Link_jon: Lua; Numeric for.
Badoobicus: Last night it took me like 2 hours to run my submission through all the arena battles. Now it's like 10 minutes.
Wontonimo: oh, i thought the contest was moved to bot programming and I wanted to get in
Wontonimo: Badoobicus , has anyone shared this with you for mad pod racing https://w3.cs.jmu.edu/spragunr/CS354_F17/handouts/pid.pdf
Westicles: back to our original programming
Link_jon: ...hm. due to how Lua is, i wouldnt be surprised if it has the same problem here (Its a scripting language too :P)
Link_jon: I'll just change it to a while loop witha counter
Badoobicus: No I have not seen that, thanks for the info @Wontonimo!
But oh boy, people are using PIDs for pod racing? Looks like this could get pretty involved if I want to climb to higher ranks.
Astrobytes: PID, GA, NNs, the list goes on
jacek: people just use -3vel to get to gold
jacek: NNs are used by top of the top
Scarfield: i got legend with -3vel and some simple blocking heuristic iirc
Astrobytes: also there is minimax, smitsimax/UCT forest
Astrobytes: sounds plausible Scarfield
_NikJ: I still remember MadKnight's tip from years ago, dude said "Just print vector multiplied by 3, that should work" - it put me straight into gold
_NikJ: 1 line of code, vx*3
Astrobytes: -3
Badoobicus: Welp I'm still only in Bronze so I'll see if I can at least get to Silver without needing to get a PhD first
Link_jon: (Eh idk. maybe my tests are printing too fast to print in the right order)
print(vec*3)? really?
Huh.
Astrobytes: -3
Scarfield: targetpos - 3*vel
Badoobicus: Semi-related: is there a way to have debug messages appear above the pod like in the Spring contest? Or do I just have to print to stderr?
jacek: dont target next checkpoint. target next checkpoint - 3* speed of your pod
jacek: yes
jacek: just like contest, print msg after space
Scarfield: or target 3*vx, and see what it does :p pod goes brrr
Astrobytes: :D
abt8601: :joy:
Link_jon: lul. mucho speedo
Badoobicus: ok @jacek thanks!
Scarfield: gotta admit i liked this contest, just didnt have much time :'(
Scarfield: oh you managed to get legend yesterday struct :muscle:
struct: hi
struct: yes
derjack: stupid NN cant get checkpoint 4 right https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/631649409
Scarfield: lol
struct: if you only train it on that map does it player better on it?
Astrobytes: gg struct, well done
struct: thanks
derjack: on it alone probably much better
Scarfield: i cant open the SR optim :/
Astrobytes: or you'll turn into a pumpkin?
jacek: site was down for a second now ;?
_NikJ: still is for me
Badoobicus: Yep went down for me too
Scarfield: a pumpkin?
_NikJ: I'm not even doing anything and it keeps telling me network error
Astrobytes: if you open SR
Astrobytes: like from cinderalla
Astrobytes: *cinderella
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: the carriage turns into a pumpkin at midnight
jacek: site was down for a moment, refresh the browser
Scarfield: bibbidy bobbidy
struct: yeah site is not working properly
_NikJ: An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
Astrobytes: :rofl:
struct: my ranks are not showing with mouse hover on bot programming
struct: ah
struct: it was because I blocked it :D
Astrobytes: lmao
Link_jon: ah okay it wasnt just me. (i thought i was so bad at coding i crashed the website on my end lul)
Scarfield: lol
Segfault_4573256634: An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
Scarfield: maybe you crashed it for all of us Link_jon :p
Segfault_4573256634: can't clash :(
Link_jon: ...true...
DollarAkshay: An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
jacek: https://ujeb.se/DqWj5S
Scarfield: dqw ... no no no
Achess: same here
Astrobytes: not clicking that
jacek: so you clicked it
Astrobytes: nope
DollarAkshay: XD
Scarfield: im pretty sure i know that link
Scarfield: im never gonna ... click it
_Royale: jacek: oh are you trying reinforcement learning on search race?
jacek: everyone who clicked showing off they didnt click it
Astrobytes: no jacek, we are used to your behaviour
Scarfield: and for some reason i remember the dqw part of the url
jacek: _Royale trying neuroevolution and evolution strategies. no q-learning, A3C TRPO etc. yet
KalamariKing: did the servers just 500 or was that just for me
Kururugi: must be just you
_Royale: jacek: nice. I discovered these recently, I tried "PPO" but without much success yet
BrunoFelthes: any PM from top 10?
Westicles: all the in/outs are busted
eulerscheZahl: do japanese tweets count?
_Royale: hi eulerscheZahl :)
Altaire: KalamariKing For me too. Ruined my clash...
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/bowwowforeach
BrunoFelthes: yes
eulerscheZahl: hi royale
jacek: clash cant be further ruined ;o
KalamariKing: ;-;
Kururugi: wut clash
struct: The chat wasnt bad during the contest, I hope it stays
eulerscheZahl: congrats for climbing some ranks at the end Royale. saw you struggling in gold for a while (at least it looked like that as you were submitting but far from the boss)
Scarfield: +1
jacek: KalamariKing since when you are that furrious
KalamariKing: only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session L
KalamariKing: jacek :flushed: since like, early 2021
_Royale: eulerscheZahl: yes I had a hard time in gold!
KalamariKing: my old pfp was just too zoomed out lmao
jacek: _Royale like this https://streamable.com/kdnurf
KalamariKing: thats fun to watch
vitalii.kulik: hi. how do i solve it? "Oups
An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session"."
5DN1L: Wait for CG to fix it
_Royale: jacek: nice :-) you should had the Initial D theme
KalamariKing: vitalii.kulik i think a lot of people are getting the same thing, the servers threw an error 500 for a minute or so before this
eulerscheZahl: oh, we lost 10 players. only 390 in legend now
vitalii.kulik: oh, ok. thanks. thought it just for me
peerdb: cheaters?
DollarAkshay:
Oups
An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".
Astrobytes: yes, 5 cheaters and 5 alts
peerdb: ah people also push alts to legend? odd
KalamariKing: :skull:
AntonBlockchain: Hello!/
Whats this error on test code in IDE?
Oups
An error occurred (#73): "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session"
5DN1L: CG bug
5DN1L: Wait for them to fix it
jacek: tomorrow~
Westicles: tomorrow
5DN1L: Lucky that the bug didn't break out during the contest...
Scarfield: that would have been sad
Darleanow: hello 5DN1L
5DN1L: hello Darleanow
Darleanow: Thats nice the devs added the 24h format time
Darleanow: how are you ?
5DN1L: not bad, thank you.
5DN1L: You good?
KalamariKing: "you good" :skull:
Darleanow: I'm really good except the fact that my boss put me on a freakin hard projecty
AntonBlockchain: thanks)
KalamariKing: oh hey the ide works again
VizGhar: difficulty of project should not be a problem... deadlines are :)
KalamariKing: ^
Darleanow: i'm only a student xD
jacek: so youll do it night before deadline
Darleanow: and it's hard to find documentation that i actually understand
5DN1L: Darleanow time to learn harder then :D
Darleanow: i'm already over the deadline ahahhaha
Link_jon: i feel this
VizGhar: :D do you have senior dev at least there?
Darleanow: i'm not working in dev
Darleanow: i want to
Darleanow: but i'm more on networking atm
VizGhar: missed deadlines is management problem
KalamariKing: oh god
KalamariKing: good luck
Darleanow: ahahah
Darleanow: sql server reporting services is a pain in the ass
antiwonto: [auto] Darleanow be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
KalamariKing: :L:
Scarfield: its all about that bass
Darleanow: SORRY WONTO
Darleanow: ahhaha
Husoski: Darelanow good luck--hope it's not an Adtive Directory prob..or whatever they're calling that this decade!
_Royale: blasterpoard PM incoming? :)
Darleanow: brb gotta do smth
blasterpoard: _Royale yes, it's there now
blasterpoard: I was just editing link to make sure they are displayed correctly
Scarfield: link for the lazy? also well done blaster
_Royale: thanks, I saw the "blasterpoard is typing" while reading other PM ;-)
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736/34
eulerscheZahl: i think i can safely upvote before reading
Astrobytes: lol
Achess: Hello, is there any CG moderator available? There seems to be a huge performance issue on Dart.
I can't even read the data of the test without timeouting…
jacek: there are problems in servers right now
Scarfield: there is a clause (by upvoting this PM, you agree that Blaster is greater than you in every way)
eulerscheZahl: moderators are here. but their powers don't affect Dart performance
Achess: I know but the issue is way older, it's been going on since this morning
eulerscheZahl: but he is, Scarfield
jacek: report this on forums or discord
eulerscheZahl: except: i'm 1.84m
no idea if that's big enough
Scarfield: xD
Achess: I know but they can forward it to the dev team
Achess: thanks jacek
eulerscheZahl: #bug-reports channel on discord
Scarfield: i hope thats your height
5DN1L: I don't know who is the dev team :thinking:
Astrobytes: well either that or he's john dillermand Scarfield
Scarfield: xD
eulerscheZahl: no, it's my weight. 1.84 megagrams.
of course it's my height...
Scarfield: you might have missed my improper innuendo
Astrobytes: :grin:
eulerscheZahl: i ignored it
Link_jon: mm
Waffle3z: just noticed I'm 6th in counting tic tac toe, which is still broken because I solved it and then nothing changed
Scarfield: i figured, but you never know
jacek: you solved and youre only 6th
BrunoFelthes: finally blasterpoard PM
Waffle3z: yeah I can never lose but others are better at winning
BJD: i solved, but im at 29th
Waffle3z: could maybe get 1st if I kept resubmitting to flatten everyone else's scores so that a single victory brings me above anyone else
struct: I dont think its getting changed
Waffle3z: just making the board an odd size would fix it
Waffle3z: all even-sized boards are trivially drawn
jdell64: anyone do the mars lander?
jacek: but odd size favors p1 too much
Waffle3z: run it twice
jacek: jdell64 whats your question
Scarfield: steal
jdell64: oh i'm just not sure what to do... I have found an LZ, I have a degree from the mid point of the LZ to the lander... speed is alluding me
jacek: episode 2?
struct: hmm, I don't know what to do now, pick a bot programming and make a bot for it, or finish porting backgammon
struct: o.o
jacek: backport gammon
Link_jon: gammonport backs
Scarfield: make it with zelda theme, and call it backgannon, to copyright dangers
BulletHeaven: aahhahahahahaah
Scarfield: to = no *
struct: can you copyright board game rules?
jdell64: you can copyright the rulebook
jdell64: not the mechanics
Scarfield: backgammon is too old
struct: "Years active:1646 to present"
struct: I think I'll be safe
jacek: hmm? i thought it was ancient
Link_jon: I agree with this btw.
Also idk. Tons of monopoly clones. Kirby is in pinball?
jdell64: monopoly clones are licensed by the company (milton bradley?)
Scarfield: its probably based on the royale game of ur, which is 4000 years old iirc
Link_jon: fair.
jdell64: the only thing you have to worry about when copying game mechanics is "will people hate me for doing this"... (imo, i'm not a lawyer)... If people would be like, "hmm this lame company can't make original stuff" then yeah, you have a problem
Brawler_zx: Hello everyone , can we not practice on the contests once they are over?
Brawler_zx: like spring challenge
struct: Brawler_zx it should become a multi soon
struct: maybe tomorrow?
Astrobytes: yes but there is a short delay before it becomes available
Brawler_zx: cool
jdell64: and i don't think i'm on episode 2
Brawler_zx: Is there an archive where ended contest questions are?
Astrobytes: in the forum, yes
Astrobytes: just search for the name of the game
eulerscheZahl: what's a contest question?
Brawler_zx: Got it thanks
Astrobytes: feedback/strageies
Astrobytes: *strategies
eulerscheZahl: ah. somehow i read it like "where can i find the previous multiple-choice contests we had"
Astrobytes: :D
dimp: When will the Spring Challenge be available as a bot programming challenge?
Waffle3z: code of the rings is called "brain fork" now but it still has the same "code of the rings" background
Scarfield: within the next few days probably
eulerscheZahl: brain fork was my suggestion
Waffle3z: 🧠🍴
Astrobytes: one of the better names used after The Great Renaming
Astrobytes: *during
eulerscheZahl: i tried quality over quantity with my suggestions
eulerscheZahl: i also claim authorship over "Death first search"
Waffle3z: guess we weren't worried about A*Craft
Astrobytes: hehehe I still remember when you suggested Death First
eulerscheZahl: it was also on the list
eulerscheZahl: and game of drones too
eulerscheZahl: i wonder if they still intend to change the name
Astrobytes: perhaps a low priority
jacek: copyright a low priority in usa? oO
Astrobytes: maybe not so dangerous, assuming they had an IP lawyer look at it
jacek: tcp/ip lawyer
Astrobytes: lol. not bad
Link_jon: why not ipv6
Waffle3z: all of the finished contests still use the original names
Waffle3z: https://www.codingame.com/contests/finished
Astrobytes: Yeah, probably a technicality there
Waffle3z: now they're just named "spring challenge [year]" and "fall challenge [year]"
Astrobytes: And Boss 1, Boss 2, Boss 3 etc too :(
Waffle3z: lame
Astrobytes: sad times
Scarfield: moboss
struct: Just wait until I port a nintendo game
struct: Then we will find the limits
Scarfield: mario pod
Astrobytes: Super Moira Sisters
Scarfield: breadth of the wild
eulerscheZahl: just make sure that i can take over control and play it manually instead of watching my bot in action
eulerscheZahl: technically it would be doable
struct: it is
Scarfield: you can that for smash the code, only found out a few months aago
eulerscheZahl: but not mid-game
struct: oh MSmits lost his rank 1 on yavalath
struct: Someone call him
Scarfield: o0
Astrobytes: who has it now?
struct: robo
struct: I think royale pushed him
Astrobytes: ah
actualCoderTrevor: I started going down the human-interaction path for this contest. I wanted to use human-interaction and backprop to train my NN. I got as far as displaying the board and heroes and keeping the referee from raising a timeout exception. I realized the runner still moves on without any input in time though. That's when I realized yesterday there wasn't enough time to finish that strat. I still want to explore it.
actualCoderTrevor: Using another bot as a starting point for backprop would also be interesting.
jacek: :thinking:
jacek: using NNs on CG, is it feasible?
actualCoderTrevor: It's been done, hasn't it?
Astrobytes: he's trolling you
jacek: :zipper_mouth:
Scarfield: Natural Numbers have been used before i think
Astrobytes: :expressionless:
Link_jon: GAH. Lua is trying to tell me that numbers == nil and thats just nuuuu
struct: dont trust lua
actualCoderTrevor: Astrobytes ah no IHBT
Astrobytes: jacek is actually a good resource to talk about NNs on CG with
jacek: IHBT?
actualCoderTrevor: I have been trolled
jacek: oh my
Link_jon: I mean... Lua is one of my best friends... right there beside google :/
and its saying x=x+1 is returning x=nil+1
struct: whats the value of x before that?
Link_jon: 1
Astrobytes: like everything in Lua
Astrobytes: counting from 1... smdh
Link_jon: albiet i am 2 tables deep
Link_jon: but if thats why this is going wrong, i blame codingame lul
Scarfield: how do you index the first element of an array in lua, also with 1?
Astrobytes: yes
struct: Hmm i just tried and got no errors
struct: x = 1
x = x + 1
io.stderr:write(x)
Scarfield: at least thats coherent
Link_jon: err. How does i use the pastebin here?
struct: just paste it
Astrobytes: it does it automatically
struct: I will generate a link for you
Scarfield: it makes a pastebin automatically
Scarfield: argh
Astrobytes: :D
Link_jon: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c7e6af5d-a5f8-4e67-83eb-ef9504fd3973
Link_jon: noice
Link_jon: particularly that for loop at the end
jzen: What does the '#' do in ' if tiling== #linesX[loopX] then'?
Scarfield: #'test
antiwonto: [auto] 'test' was defined as ' this is a test '
Link_jon: "#" is what i need to ignore; walls
jacek: are you doing bender
Astrobytes: that pikachu puzzle
Link_jon: Left the link at the top of code
jzen: But it is in the if statement
jzen: I was just wondering if it is special lua thing or if you accidentally put it there
jzen: *some special
Astrobytes: In these locations:
for loopX= 1,#linesX do
for tiling=1,#linesX[loopX] do
Link_jon: Well... the four ifs that set side[x] to "#", are moreso so i dont have nil problems with tables when looking past the grid
Link_jon: LoopX==1 is when we are at the top. So we set the top side (side[1]) to be a wall "#"
Link_jon: Same goes for the next three
Astrobytes: but why is there a # in for loopX= 1,#linesX do
jzen: Oh nevermind, it is the length operator in lua
Astrobytes: ah cool
Link_jon: OHHHH
Link_jon: #table <-- is like table.len()
Link_jon: Gets length of table
Astrobytes: yep, gotcha now
Astrobytes: still not sure what the issue is, try printing x to stderr and stepping through it
Astrobytes: is all I can suggest
Link_jon: note; linesX[loopX][tiling] is what the problem child is
Link_jon: and yeh
Astrobytes: linesX[loopX][tiling] = tonumber(linesX[loopX][tiling])+1
Astrobytes: what's the +1
Link_jon: Yeh
Link_jon: Ah, due to needing print out what tiles have how many neighbors, im counting said neighbors
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdqcUTNHwyo stephen colbert with critical role doing dnd, if anyone interested :p
Astrobytes: oh right, I vaguely remember the puzzle
struct: Link_jon
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1ed673c6-1c8f-4482-882d-662297fac987
struct: Use io.stderr to debug
struct: as you can see the last value of the for before it throws an error
struct: is not a number
Link_jon: yeh i just saw
Link_jon: tonumber isnt doing the prevention i want
Link_jon: type(tonumber())=="number" will though
Link_jon: Thanks yous
Link_jon: onto the next problem lul
struct: np
Astrobytes: saved for later Scarfield
Link_jon: wait hold on am dumb.
Scarfield: suspected you might enjoy :)
Link_jon: I need to apply more if statements
jacek: true ai
Astrobytes: Scarfield: just started reading The Long Earth, have you read it?
Astrobytes: Terry Pratchett & Stephen Baxter
Scarfield: nope, but almost finished with my current series, so need a new book
Astrobytes: it's a whole series but I never got round to it
Scarfield: probably gonna start some scifi, asimov or any of the other ones you guys recommended not too long ago
Astrobytes: this is scifi too
Astrobytes: multi-dimensions
Scarfield: added to my list :)
Astrobytes: :)
Scarfield: its rare you see a book with more than one auther, interesting
Astrobytes: not in the scifi and fantasy world
Astrobytes: it's common
ycsvenom:
Scarfield: had no idea, but as mentioned before, i havent read anything scifi yet. btw any fantasy book suggestions to put on my list. A Song of Ice and Fire is some of the books i enjoyed the most
Scarfield: as in enjoyed the most of everything i have read
Astrobytes: I'm not a particularly avid reader of fantasy stuff tbh
Astrobytes: you've presumably read Tolkien etc
Scarfield: yup
Astrobytes: For me it never really gets better than that lol
Scarfield: well actually didnt read the 3rd LoTR
Astrobytes: Oh you should
Scarfield: was maybe 11-12 and the passing was too slow for me then, never got back to it
Astrobytes: Give them a re-read
cukcan: hi
Astrobytes: That said, I still have never finished Queen of the Damned
Scarfield: sure, reading them in english is also most likely a lot better, read 1 and 2 in danish back then
Westicles: Patrick Rothfuss? I think the 3rd book is finally coming out
jacek: :scream:
Astrobytes: Ah I see.
Astrobytes: oh and all of Pratchett's Discworld if you haven't already
Westicles: Not all of those are great...
Link_jon: Got it working :D
Astrobytes: hmm my friend recommended Rothfuss too actually Westicles
Astrobytes: and true
Scarfield: Rothfuss and discworld added to list :)
Westicles: The kids like him, but he's left a trilogy ending hanging for 11 years
Astrobytes: John Ringo Posleen War - style
Astrobytes: "I don't want to write about it any more"
PatrickMcGinnisII: Asimov Foundation Trilogy, good read. Children of Dune as well. LoTR is hard to read. Sry, stuck my nose in
Scarfield: i know the pain, the last book from GRR Martin (Dance of Dragons) was published 11 years ago
Astrobytes: the more the merrier Patrick
Lysk: GRR Martin scify novels are nice too
Scarfield: actually only read ASoIaF, but heard good about his other works before :)
Astrobytes: my friend swears by those too, but I didn't get on with his fantasy stuff so maybe not for me
Scarfield: what did you try to read?
jacek: https://preview.redd.it/7recdbw1zk451.jpg?auto=webp&s=4d7b7bc695bec895d86e51edcfc8b5a8cc9f0016
Astrobytes: A bunch of them, I don't remember the titles. Was when I was housesitting in Sweden, my mate left a list of books to read from his bookshelves
Astrobytes: I kept getting really bored.
Astrobytes: (with his writing)
PatrickMcGinnisII: Java books don't make you cry ... ever read any of the first Perl books?
Astrobytes: I never got into GoT either (just for context)
Scarfield: weird, i guess you have to take the time to get into the world of the story, but A Song of Ice and Fire is likely the series i have enjoyed the most. taste is a funny thing :)
Astrobytes: Camel books all the way
Scarfield: GoT is not the same though, the first few seasons are close, but i havent seen past the books. and from reviews im probably not gonna watch the last seasons anyway
PatrickMcGinnisII: did SC2022 finish it's rerun?
Astrobytes: ages ago
Lysk: yes
PatrickMcGinnisII: how did yall rank?
Astrobytes: Scarfield: yeah, it's more a style thing I think with his writing, it annoyed me. Just didn't get on with it :shrug:
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: I didn't bother looking, somewhere in gold
Westicles: I had a tight race with tbali for the groovy title
Astrobytes: chainsaws at dawn :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: i see report, but can't find leaderboard
Astrobytes: (I hope someone got my reference)
Scarfield: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2022/leaderboard/global
struct: I think I'm going to try to make a bot for COIF
struct: seems interesting enough
PatrickMcGinnisII: tx scar
EddyA: Hi, any date to be able to play agin?
Scarfield: didnt get the reference (dusk till dawn, chainsaw massacre)
struct: EddyA usually its available the next day
Westicles: Astro, nope. evil dead maybe?
Scarfield: np ginsli
Astrobytes: COIF is a great game struct
struct: But I would say it will be available this week for sure
Astrobytes: Westicles: 1 point to you
EddyA: Thx!
Astrobytes: Any time I see or hear "groovy" I see Ash in my mind
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eji8obIOjI
Scarfield: my mind would go to austin powers xD
Astrobytes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIJTvEo4N4Q
jacek: not clicking
Astrobytes: shut up jacek
Astrobytes: :D
Scarfield: lol jacek
jacek: oO
Scarfield: nice clip astro, apparently i havent seen evil daed
Scarfield: dead*
Astrobytes: brilliant they are
Astrobytes: random yoda speak I talk
Scarfield: lol did read it in yoda voice xD
Scarfield: huumhhf
Astrobytes: <shuffling noises>
jacek: Automaton2000 is this some markov chain talking?
Automaton2000: i don't want to learn it
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: is the force strong in me Automaton2000
Automaton2000: yes, but i don't know how to find a way to send a message
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Scarfield: noice
_Royale: sorry Karang, just realized you explained the HashMap part in your PM, don't know why I missed it, I must be too tired :dizzy_face:
Karang: no worries :p
PatrickMcGinnisII: karang needs to mke a seed finde puzzle
Karang: I thought about that, there are a few puzzles that can be made about LCG
Link_jon: Sigh. python doesnt want lists inside lists
PatrickMcGinnisII: did they just remove some people from te leaderboard, i thing rank changed
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like the sabotaged bots r gone
Astrobytes: they did earlier, from legend
Astrobytes: 5 alts from legend players and 5 dupes from the same company
PatrickMcGinnisII: lol, someone look at my garbage code and go...yup that mf submitted a bot on crack
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8fb53206-8545-4746-a4e7-e10eb6a2cb0a
5DN1L: Link_jon You can have lists inside lists in python
eulerscheZahl: i can neither confirm nor deny that i took a snapshot of the leaderboard to find the missing names
Link_jon: ... Huh. Strange, i cant seem to convince python to be happy with this arrangement. Guess i should keep poking at it
PatrickMcGinnisII: one name on that list was asking alot of questions
Wontonimo: list_of_word_lists = []
list_of_word_lists.append( ['hi','there] )
Wontonimo: Link_jon ^^
Wontonimo: ist_of_word_lists.append( ['another','entry'] )
Link_jon: Allrighty, thanks.
Wontonimo: okay, you'll have to fix my syntax errors
Link_jon: ?
eulerscheZahl: but all of those players were below 200 before getting removed
eulerscheZahl: wait, they were all the exact same code?
eulerscheZahl: with user ID and rank:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/341623f0-f969-4a55-9318-e20eeb2579b0
Scarfield: 5 were i believe from same company
eulerscheZahl: that's 100 ranks difference for the same code?
eulerscheZahl: same company + same code or similar code?
Scarfield: same code
Wontonimo: Link_jon https://tech.io/snippet/6gBRwWM
eulerscheZahl: ranking randomness confirmed then
Link_jon: Yeyah
eulerscheZahl: 3 dead even. 1 above, 1 below
Wontonimo: wow, i didn't realized how much CG has scaled back on contests until I looked at https://www.codingame.com/contests/finished
Wontonimo: 7 contests in 2018
Astrobytes: yes, we were spoiled - nay, ruined - in 2018
eulerscheZahl: some of them are puzzle contests when you go back even further
peerdb: 7 times 10 days is quite a lot of time to invest
Wontonimo: yeah, i was just looking at 2014
Astrobytes: there were unofficial ones that we barged into as well
eulerscheZahl: legends of code and magic had a 4h sprint contest
eulerscheZahl: and a 4 week marathon
Astrobytes: lol, does that count
Astrobytes: the sprint
eulerscheZahl: no => 6 contests
Wontonimo: on the other had peerdb, you'd probably build up more of a local toolset and have a lot more reuse
peerdb: that's also fair
Astrobytes: it was also a lot of fun
jacek: :upside_down:
antiwonto: [auto] ':upside_down:' was defined as ' ɥǝllo '
digitalix-ai: Would be great, if the game was available for practice, now after the contest is over...
eulerscheZahl: will be soon
Astrobytes: it most likely will be
PatrickMcGinnisII: +/- 100 raanks for same code...gasp
eulerscheZahl: Thibaud told us not to share code. so I expect a return
Scarfield: i will extrapolate that, and assume i should be 1st
Astrobytes: true
Astrobytes: lol Scarfield
eulerscheZahl: i'm off. back to normal (=working) tomorrow :(
digitalix-ai: Great, if it'll be soon! I only reached the bronze league, didn't have enough time...
struct: gn
Scarfield: im off as well, gn folks :)
struct: gn
Astrobytes: gn Scarfield and eulerscheZahl
olimago: Hi there, didnt had much time for this contest, the last one I did was #30 legend for Xmas Rush. Anybody have a recommendation for a past contest ? Something with few math like a board game or something like that (already done heartstone, overcooked and xmas rush)
struct: do you like board games?
olimago: Yep ! Ideally something like that
struct: have you played spring challenge 2021?
struct: no math needed there at all
ddreams: I liked that one
ddreams: The Fall 2020 is also a board game, but it wasn't so enjoyable imo
PatrickMcGinnisII: the bomberman one mayme olimago
PatrickMcGinnisII: er maybe
olimago: ok thanks i'll take a look, I also noted photosynthesis and kingdomino which could be nice
struct: 2021 is photosynthesis
Astrobytes: Photosynthesis was Spring 2021
struct: You can also check postmortems, I describe my bitboard structure there
olimago: ah right,^^ thanks sounds like a match then ^^
Astrobytes: also Onitama, and any number of classic board games in the multis these days
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:
PatrickMcGinnisII: what is the name of the bomberman one, i wanted to go back and redo it
PatrickMcGinnisII: ?
Astrobytes: Hypersonic
PatrickMcGinnisII: kewl, tx
Astrobytes: np
cegprakash: just read jujurocking's legend 29 strat
cegprakash: he was passing monster from a hero to another hero into a double wind
cegprakash: he was basically playing fantastic bits
cegprakash: lmao
Astrobytes: there was a strong FB feel as the contest progressed, that's true
cegprakash: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-feedbacks-strategies/195736/39 my post mortem
Astrobytes: I read it ;)
Astrobytes: #90th ain't bad man, well done
pmor: grats ceg...I was just happy to make legend
Astrobytes: nice one pmor :)
cegprakash: lol lukasjapan had a midfielder and a keeper in his strat
cegprakash: literally everyone playing this like fantstic bits
cegprakash: lmao
Link_jon: Pythoned
pandaburger: Quick question about c#, is "Event" an ok class name or do I have to rename that to avoid reserved keywords?
If so, what can I name an class for things that are called events in the business logic?
antiwonto: [auto] Hey pandaburger, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 1 tacos
Mindarius: take taco
antiwonto: [auto] That taco command has moved to the #taco channel
ddreams: @pandaburger there are no capital letter keywords in C#
ddreams: I would probably avoid the word event anyway though, since it's used for handling different types of events
ddreams: Also it's very generic with many meanings
struct: var_events
struct: done
ddreams: class var_events {
ddreams: interesting suggestion
Astrobytes: BusinessLogicEventClass
Astrobytes: Java style :sunglasses:
Astrobytes: You can then have BusinessLogicEventClassHandler, BusinessLogicEventClassListener, etc
ddreams: Don't forget managers
Astrobytes: yes indeed
ddreams: BusinessLogicEventClassListenerManager etc
Badoobicus: BusinesslLogicEventClassHandlerService
Astrobytes: good point also
ddreams: And obviously factories to create them
Astrobytes: Naturally
ddreams: BusinesslLogicEventClassHandlerServiceManagerFactory
PatrickMcGinnisII: I thin kkI'm goinf insane
ddreams: Perhaps you're having a stroke?
Astrobytes: whaddya mean "going" ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm writing weird code
Astrobytes: Patrick, of COURSE you are writing "weird code", you use PHP
PatrickMcGinnisII: example:
PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3f1d4f2d-b795-442a-a536-69485a53bb90
ddreams: It's like PHP and Perl had a baby
struct: calculateSpiderCollisionBaseRadius(Spider& s)
Astrobytes: That's abhorrent
struct: short name
struct: :D
Astrobytes: @Patrick
Astrobytes: lol struct, that's SmitsCase
Badoobicus: are spaces illegal in PHP?
Astrobytes: PHP IS illegal
Astrobytes: ddreams: hahaha 100%
PatrickMcGinnisII: I can make it run faster
Astrobytes: By chasing it?
5DN1L: :joy:
Astrobytes: :grin:
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's just so wierd that this is where my brain went first, i think CG is reprogramming me
ddreams: The end result of too much PHP
ddreams: Tragic, really
Astrobytes: ^ this
ddreams: Such a promising individual.. corrupted
Astrobytes: Patrick, I have told you so many times, go back to C
Astrobytes: Keep your PHP for puzzles if you must
PatrickMcGinnisII: I think Imma go back to java since the referees and such are more easily simmed
Astrobytes: c# would be a better choice imo if you want to go that route
ddreams: I like prototyping in Python and then moving to C++... for this contest I just stuck with Python since I did zero search and zero sim
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm still insane af tho ;)
Astrobytes: ofc :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: PY would put me in a straight jacket
ddreams: Maybe that's for the best
Astrobytes: lol, he may use PHP but he ain't quite *that* bad :D
ddreams: Have you already forgotten the code? :D
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: fair point :D
**PatrickMcGinnisII adds a dash of prozac to his :coffee:
Astrobytes: try meth!
Astrobytes: I mean, sugar!
ddreams: Reminds me of my sugar rush and subsequent sugar crash teammates during the ACM competitions in Uni
PatrickMcGinnisII: I use Monkfruit sugar, meth..bahahaha... enough of that in redneck ville central FL already
PatrickMcGinnisII: my father was an addictions professional councelor, i told him it takes a crazy person to recognize a crazy person
PatrickMcGinnisII: He suggested I go to sex addicts anonymous ... I think I know where I get my sense of humor from
PatrickMcGinnisII: 2 puzzles down
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: brilliant
Astrobytes: yeah ddreams, sugar is overrated as a stimulant
Astrobytes: anyway, out for tonight, see you all later
ddreams: ciao
PatrickMcGinnisII: "be good, or be good at it"
struct: gn
ddreams: btw, thanks for the 4x wind replay struct
ddreams: helped me implement it in my bot
ddreams: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631222960
struct: np
struct: I just copied the idea from someone else
ddreams: Mine is slightly buggy though
ddreams: Sometimes it pushes it outside the range of the gang
ddreams: Yeah, I saw the idea several times too, but didn't get it right myself
EvModder: lol my rank was 63 when contest closed but in post-contest reruns I dropped to 197
EvModder: :/
EvModder: to be fair, i didnt actually work on my bot at all the last 3 days so im kind of surprised i was still that high at the end
PatrickMcGinnisII: euler said bots running same code were +/- 100 ranks
EvModder: yeah
EvModder: this contest had wayy too much randomness
EvModder: it made it really hard to know if changes were improvments or detrimental
EvModder: like, i'd improve my fog of war calculus and then suddenly lose 60 rating
PatrickMcGinnisII: i agree, i couldn't nail down my bot states to run a decent sim
PatrickMcGinnisII: i ran 4 attacking states and 4 defending states among the heros, but each state wasn't optimal, like the default board positions were close, but hard to nail down ... so I would rerun each change ...I thiink if i ran MC offline 1M times it still wouldn't have helped
PatrickMcGinnisII: i ran some spawn heatmaps, not a total loss, but still a huge waste of time
EvModder: yeah; the optimal strategy depends a lot on spider spawns and what strategy the opponent uses
struct: ddreams how did you calculate where to send the spider before you casted the triple wind?
EvModder: i wasted first 5 days of contest in wood league trying to crack seed before giving up due to the huge state space... I concluded it couldn't be done
EvModder: but then turns out someone managed to do it lol
struct: But he also stated it wasnt a big advantage
EvModder: i think it would have been if he had used other legend league meta
EvModder: he stated he did not use shield at all
EvModder: also he never used wind defensively
EvModder: because if he used wind on turn%==0 it would be tricky to know which mobs spawned that turn would get their random direction affected
ddreams: I tried to calculate the resulting position, and see if that was in range of the heroes. Looped 360 angles like you said
PatrickMcGinnisII: I tracked mobs whether they were visible or not with a health decay to decide if I should go in for the kill ... didn't work great, but it worked
EvModder: the other thing with cracking the seed that he mentions (but didnt use) is you can actually control it a bit
ddreams: I tried to add the spider's movement, though I'm not sure they're applied after wind?
EvModder: like, you can get new spiders to move in a certain way, or only use wind to push a spider out of your base if it's new random direction will be away from you (or toward enemy) etc etc
EvModder: lots of potential
struct: it doesnt
struct: after you push a spider it doesnt move
EvModder: ya, not until next turn
ddreams: Right, thought so... though it's part of my gold to legend last minute submit :D
Darleanow: hello guys !!
Darleanow: i had a question concerning truncation
Darleanow: when i try to print json data, (its an anime synopsis) , its truncated with [...], how can i remove this and print everything ?
ddreams: Which language?
Darleanow: py :)
ddreams: You're not using print then?
Darleanow: print(str(json.dumps(z['results'][1]['synopsis'])))
Darleanow: this is how i return results
EvModder: wait, i have a question
EvModder: for any CQ admins lol
EvModder: CG*
EvModder: i was wondering if there were shirts for spring2020
ddreams: Does it have an infinite loop?
ddreams: I mean, a cycle
ddreams: "The ordinary print() also uses ellipses but for displaying recursive data structures, which form a cycle, to avoid stack overflow error"
Darleanow: no, it's taken from a dict
Darleanow: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d37b91b7-fcb6-46a3-b4bc-93ca5262b47b
Darleanow: this is what i get
Darleanow: from this : z=jikan.search('anime', a)
Darleanow: then i try to print synopsis
Darleanow: ah nvm
Darleanow: i'm just.... stupid
Darleanow: sorry bothering you
ddreams: :D np
Darleanow: but i don't know why it is truncated >:'(
ddreams: Probably need to use another API method
Darleanow: aww man ToT
PatrickMcGinnisII: 3 puzzles down
ddreams: Try using getAnimeById when you know the id
ddreams: @Darleanow
Darleanow: oh thanks !
Darleanow: z=jikan.search('anime', a)
o=json.dumps(z['results'][1]['mal_id'])
m=(jikan.anime(o))
print(json.dumps(m['synopsis']))
Darleanow: fixed with this :)
omoussao: can we continue playing the challenge after it is finished?
ItsNotABug: Hopefully they turn it into a multiplayer
ItsNotABug: My bot was still terrible due to lack of time. Would like to go back over it eventually. It was a good game
omoussao: hoping so
uchiha21: any tips on getting better at coding? i find even the easy challenges to be hard
ItsNotABug: youtube? stackoverflow?
ItsNotABug: codingame is more about applying and enhancing rather than learning tbh
PatrickMcGinnisII: 4 puzzles done today
moelester123: ur all a bunch oof fucking nerds
antiwonto: [auto] moelester123 be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
moelester123: im gonna say a racial slur
moelester123: n1gga
comp0zr: whooaaa so edgy
trulynameless.: lol bro chill
ycsvenom: i am a nerdy geeeeeeek
ycsvenom: and i am honored to be one
0zBug: hi
ycsvenom: hello
creeperZnation4: Hello, esteemed "nerdy geeeeeeek"
sang_guy: hi
Shaurya101: hi
natorius6: ih
blanec12: hi
BlueArtemis: hi
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milkiyd: hi
PatrickMcGinnisII: jello, always room for jello
Salticid: Is the referee code for Mad Pod Racing available?
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://github.com/SpiritusSancti5/codinGame/blob/master/Referees/Coders%20Strike%20Back/Referee.java
PatrickMcGinnisII: i think
Salticid: Great, thank you :)
Jainam123: how to learn coding
