struct: triple wind is even worse than 2
eulerscheZahl: my only hope is to distract the attacker long enough so that some spiders will find their way into the base
HoriMiyamura: yeah, I do that too
HoriMiyamura: I see a lot of 2/3atts, doesn't code anything good, just do the same all the way, and they are in top gold or low legend
HoriMiyamura: that impacts other players
Waffle3z: herd opponent heroes into the corner of their own base and lock them there using wind, then any spiders that get near get blown directly into the base
Waffle3z: until they shield themselves and get out
HoriMiyamura: it's not like that
HoriMiyamura: wind stacking is like a shootgun
HoriMiyamura: and bang -> you lost
Tuo: quick question: if i control a monster that will step in my base next turn, will it walk out?
struct: it gets a random diredciton
struct: direction*
Tuo: like wind?
HoriMiyamura: no
HoriMiyamura: if u mean get the monster to out of base_attraction
PatrickMcGinnisII: Tuo it mixes vectors, it could end up inside base, if it does it goes back to base
HoriMiyamura: it will keep the speed vector
Miki09: What is the dist where you see in fog?
struct: 2200
Miki09: ok thx
PatrickMcGinnisII: my defense sucks
Tuo: but the speed vector will be my control, and that will get it of my base
PatrickMcGinnisII: tuo it will add the current vx,vy and the new vx vy for the result x,y
Tuo: it steps in and next turn control applies and it gets out?
Miki09: Any 2200 is radius of your view circle or diameter?
HoriMiyamura: ok: if it is in the base after control-> it will use the speed that direct to base center
struct: radius
Miki09: ok thx
HoriMiyamura: if it is out of 5000, it keep your speed vector
HoriMiyamura: that's all
Tuo: ah its like take base casts another control on it?
HoriMiyamura: the rule is that: if the monster is in the base 5000, it will always get same attraction
Tuo: after the turn
Tuo: but control and step happen before
HoriMiyamura: yeah. if it is not im[acting by wind/control
HoriMiyamura: I think you could read source code of the game
HoriMiyamura: to see what's happened
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/760e72039b4150871cd741639ee2c4cc947d360d/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L264
Tuo: not so quick question :D ty guys
MrBamboo: Is it possible to cast "CONTROL" on a spider ?
struct: yes
MrBamboo: I try but I always have "Bad command"
MrBamboo: is that right ?:
"
CONTROL 14 15130 6500
"
struct: SPELL CONTROL ID X Y
MrBamboo: OOOOOOOOHHH
MrBamboo: Miss the SPELL ... 🤦♂️
MrBamboo: Hahaha thanks !
struct: yw
struct: So hiding already stated
struct: started*
struct: The person I was copying broke the bot :p
yhyoxx: control enemy when he's shielded : win
dont control when shielded: lose ...
Tuo: its fairly random even with deterministic bots
Tuo: the game in general
Tuo: thats why the run in arena fail to get correct rank
Tuo: i have gone 150 -> 50 rank just by waiting in league
HoriMiyamura: it might be because those above you get promoted
HoriMiyamura: but yes, the promoted behavior is weird
HoriMiyamura: you just need to sit there and promoted
Tuo: i think the algorithm is not good with close to 50/50 matches and low runs
HoriMiyamura: the point is this: if ever in lucky the bot has higher than the boss score => it will get promoted, even though it is just lucky
HoriMiyamura: I should for the more eval instead
HoriMiyamura: but it isn't
yhyoxx: not luck
yhyoxx: maybe luck if you're very close to the boss's score
yhyoxx: and boss score lowers
Miki09: Added HUGE code, time to test...
Waffle3z: wonder how effective this is. gather 90 mana, then group your heroes and walk back and forth 300+6600-1280=5620 units from the opponent's base. any time a spider comes within wind range, almost guaranteed life for 30 mana. if it happens 3 times before you die you win
Waffle3z: if you're interrupted by having your heroes blown or controlled so they're out of sync, or if the opponent happens to wind the same spider you're trying to, it fails and you have to farm to try again and you'll probably lose because you're not defending at all
Miki09: But for some people it works
Miki09: Imma implement it now. Thanks you Waffle3z :-)
Miki09: *Thank you
EvModder: well i'm done with the contest; considering how little spare time i had, i think im satisfied with my result
Miki09: The mana at the end O.O https://www.codingame.com/replay/630054337
EvModder: personally i did not like this contest that much (mainly the floating points, randomness)
struct: im out
struct: cant even look at the screen anymore
struct: gn every1
EvModder: gn struct
EvModder: c u next contest
Miki09: gn
yhyoxx: gn
Tuo: Walffle3z you can also collect a bit more mana and send spiders to be shipped
like so with 2 hero attack https://www.codingame.com/replay/630038938
Tuo: *Waffle3z
Tuo: it sucks to send heroes out just to sit there :)
Waffle3z: rekt https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630072466
Miki09: lol
Miki09: which leaugue are you in?
Waffle3z: gold 156, haven't submitted that
Miki09: ok
Waffle3z: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630084583 died simultaneously, won on wind mana
Miki09: Im trying to use 3 def but I have millions of bugs...
Miki09: *3 att
Waffle3z: look at frame 48 and then ask if it looks like I'm about to win
Waffle3z: submitting this, probably going to be worse but it's cool when it works
Waffle3z: it doesn't even beat boss 5 half the time
Miki09: lets see
Miki09: looks good
Miki09: 14% battles #1278
Waffle3z: this was a meme strat but maybe if it can plan better then it could be strong
Miki09: What place r u now?
Waffle3z: 42% 590
Miki09: hmm
Waffle3z: keeping 1 defender might also make it much stronger, the 2 attackers just have to be closer to the base and be smarter about directing monsters to line up for the shot
Bernard_Lowe: I'd agree with that. 2 attackers feels just about as difficult as 3 attackers, but they have some defense.
Miki09: not as good as yours but I'm making progress: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630094595
Waffle3z: gold 548, worse than what I was doing before but funnier
Miki09: My troll code vs my old code: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630102251
Miki09: time for ubmit
Miki09: Could be worse...
yhyoxx: do you lose mana when you fail a spell ? like control a shielded unit
KillerB37: Hi everyone !
KillerB37: In the mod pod racing I don't know the meaning and thus how to manage the collides.
Zandy156: yhyoxx "Using a spell against a shielded entity still costs mana."
Zandy156: I'm unsure about other cases
yhyoxx: thanks
CrazyGamer: yes
PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: I messed up my attacker :( need to fix
jacek: :upside_down:
HoriMiyamura: still don't know how to face 2atts
PatrickMcGinnisII: i'm starting to hate this game
HoriMiyamura: rank 80, resubmit and nerver go higher than 200 :(
Murat_Eroglu: Same
PatrickMcGinnisII: so many bots my win % is close to 50%, you have to be definitively better to go up
FaRNaM.Hs: Bye world
jacek: Oo
HoriMiyamura: 2atts every where :(
ataya-codam: can you play red when testing your code?
5DN1L: yes
jacek: yes
HoriMiyamura: yes
ataya-codam: how?
jacek: oh my
jacek: under ide, delete your bot
ataya-codam: ok, did it. now what?
5DN1L: add the boss and yourself back in reverse order
ataya-codam: oh i see
ataya-codam: ty
bourgeof: HoriMiyamura See bowwowforeach.
He is top 1 and seems to have only 1 attacker.
HoriMiyamura: thanks, let me check
bourgeof: There is till hope for people like us :smiley:
Miki09: What if I am submitting my code and the contest ends?
therealbeef: it waits for you to finish
Miki09: ok thx
HoriMiyamura: when contest end, it will get all the current submits, and then recompute
HoriMiyamura: *for legend it will recompute
HoriMiyamura: for other it will wait for all of them complete
therealbeef: you can even promote on the last submit and then the system will wait for you to finish all matches in the higher league as well
HoriMiyamura: can't under stand bowwowforeach strategy at all :(
LaurensD: @HoriMiyamura a lot of foreach, no one can understand
MindController: It seems he tracks the enemy attacker
MindController: And tries to counter it
_NikJ: Looks like no legend for me :D
_NikJ: 100th in gold rn :(
yhyoxx: got to 6th in gold
yhyoxx: same code is 300th now ...
Miki09: Me too _Nikj
Miki09: I was 800 but im 1593 now
Miki09: But I still hope...
yhyoxx: sad
Miki09: Off Hope is the last to die!
yhyoxx: is it :cry:
HoriMiyamura: which is your case when use control and shield for defending?
HoriMiyamura: I can't think of a good case for these
PatrickMcGinnisII: dbdr gonna jump into legend?
yhyoxx: duh
dbdr: PatrickMcGinnisII, possibly with a bot I submitted two days ago :D
_NikJ: that moment when you play the code against your old bot, go make a coffee and come back to a 3:0 loss
_NikJ: but you realize you swapped the positions, so it's actually a 3:0 win :sunglasses:
PatrickMcGinnisII: my defense sucks
HoriMiyamura: just a few hours
HoriMiyamura: resubmit same code make my rank go from 80 to 18x
HoriMiyamura: I can't believe in my eyes
PatrickMcGinnisII: i will be lucky to stay in top 1k
PatrickMcGinnisII: there r some improvements
PatrickMcGinnisII: but i spent too much time fixing bugs
StevenV: which is a good ways to counter 3 defenders?
_NikJ: to hope to God you don't run into them
mdeetea: @StevenV have you try to use 2 attackers?
HoriMiyamura: lengend will be recompute at the end of the contest isn't it?
AlkhilJohn.: hello
[CG]Keelhaul: Yes
HoriMiyamura: haha, so I don't need to regret for resubmit :D
LaurensD: well, you might end up 300th and become in the top 100 after a while (based on the battles after).
LaurensD: or vice versa
LaurensD: random numbers, btw =P
HoriMiyamura: :D
HoriMiyamura: the more I submit, the lower my rank
HoriMiyamura: even they just the same'
_NikJ: it happens, I resubmitted the same code by accident
_NikJ: and went from 100th ingold to 250th
Murat_Eroglu: :D I stopped submitting because of that reason
Altaire: “My dear, here we must run as fast as we can, just to stay in place. And if you wish to go anywhere you must run twice as fast as that.”
Noyotens: how to beat a mana collecter
Noyotens: they dont attack
Noyotens: they just defense and collect mana
HoriMiyamura: haha
Noyotens: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630307805
iwillgetbetter: Just to be sure, a turn follows these steps: heroes move, wind spells, monsters move, heroes fights monsters in range, other spells ?
Noyotens: yes
iwillgetbetter: then there's a problem, I have a spider with 1 of life, distance is 400 to base, I should fight her, but my base still loses a health point
DaNinja: control, shield, heros move, combat, wind, then move mobs
iwillgetbetter: thank you
cegprakash: my gold bot climbed to rank 43 in legend over night when I went to sleep don't know if I can trust this rank..
cegprakash: lool
yamo: cegprakash submit again, so you will know :)
cegprakash: nah want to enjoy my rank for a while
cegprakash: lol
StevenV: haha
DollarAkshay: if ai apply control spell every alternate turn, the enemy hero still cannot use shield right ?
DollarAkshay: I* apply
StevenV: I think the reason is that top player resubmit
cegprakash: DollarAkshay can..
StevenV: and then we face them while we submit too
StevenV: at the time we will be penalty a lot
cegprakash: say opponent uses ctrl on turn X
you can either use shield on turn X or turn X+2
cegprakash: only turn X+1 actions are replaced
cegprakash: but if he is using chain control then u can't defend
cegprakash: alternate is defendable
cegprakash: I have not seen the referee but based on my observation I'm saying
DollarAkshay: Hmm so there is no way of chasing and controlling right ?
DollarAkshay: Like chasing behind the control hero
DollarAkshay: controled*
cegprakash: just try to use shield on ur defender hero when u are in threat and ur hero is not being controlled.. no need to complicate
cegprakash: I don't usually use shield on my defenders tho
cegprakash: shield is bad if opponent is a wind player
cegprakash: he can push us into defense which sometimes is good
cegprakash: gold boss is a wind player so I don't shied my defenders in gold at least
cegprakash: but yeah if u are using only 1 defender it's better to shield him
cegprakash: that's what I've seen in top tier legends with 1 defender
Ekaon: Is there a way to know if we are a debug game or in tournament game ?
Rikerslash: Did my Hero just bug out in turn 176. It says move MOVE 4480 2650 but he walks different direction
https://www.codingame.com/replay/630342865
Rikerslash: right instead of left. What am I missing?
Valdemar: He is pushed by wind from hero 0 on that turn Rikerslash
IvesL: you are pushed away
LaurensD: you are being pushed away
LaurensD: that hero is a bully
Rikerslash: yea thanks was sure I missed something
LaurensD: man, the ide of c# iis rather slow
Ekaon: Is it normal to not see the error stream in the tournament battles ?
pandaburger: I have a question about JS arrays, is it not possible to have "return someVariable;" in the array function of an array's forEach(()=>{}).....
pandaburger: I just answered my own questions
pandaburger: -s*
pandaburger: hahah I mixed up the arrow function's foreach with the parent function's
pandaburger: so when I wrote return in there I was only returning to the parent function and the parent function didn't do anything, so ... undefinied
MindController: Will legend be resumbitted at the end of the contest?
kovi: no resubmit just a huge number of games
avdg: LaurensD how much time do you use per round?
kovi: for top100
avdg: I'm already off to a side project
MindController: kovi does the score i have now chages anything, or can i resumbit?
MindController: changes*
MindController: like
MindController: do i lose anything
kovi: you can resubmit even last minute
but depending on rockpaperscissors effect it may result slightly different result may
MindController: if i resubmit now and i get a unlucky submit?
avdg: I'm prototyping programming languages a bit, experimenting with representations that can be converted to something a cpu/gpu can understand
MindController: at the end oif the contest we will just get extra games?
kovi: yes, thousands
MindController: score for previous submit will stay + extra games
MindController: ok
IvesL: is it really a rockpaperscissors cuz rank1 have few variants in defense
eulerscheZahl: thousands as in "almost exactly 1000"
eulerscheZahl: each player gets 500 games. but you are also part of other players getting a game
blasterpoard: IvesL there's not that much RPS; it's mostly people loking for excuses for not climbing
IvesL: i agree
DomiKo: people just hate this game
DomiKo: I'm one one of them :smiling_imp:
blasterpoard: skill cap is high enough to win the entire contest with many different strategies
IvesL: blasterpoard i see you have changed quite a lot in strats comparing to few days back as well
PatrickMcGinnisII: 685th, i guess I'm going to sleep at 8am
**PatrickMcGinnisII yawns
blasterpoard: I want defenders to waste 1 turn and 20 mana on shields, then continue as before :)
blasterpoard: with the difference that I can't accidentally push them into defense
blasterpoard: + some tweaks to not get killed by 1 attacker before the timing push
eulerscheZahl: hero move before WIND makes it hard to use wind properly
mybk: Hi, the simulation of the game does not work with me anymore, anyone facing the same problem ? or knows how to solve it ?
blasterpoard: it's much easier if the opponent has to also be afraid of this: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630381924
MindController: blasterpoard
MindController: seems u have bug
MindController: why do u try to push shielded monster at frame 80?
eulerscheZahl: to push the attacker which moved away?
blasterpoard: nah, just a good old bug
eulerscheZahl: a good old shielded bug
blasterpoard: missing an if somewhere
DomiKo: Euler wow
eulerscheZahl: [master 7b9798f] attacker logic
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
eulerscheZahl: didn't even change that much
DomiKo: now I have to find what did you changed
wlesavo: oh nice euler, quality improvements or just lucky submit? :slight_smile:
eulerscheZahl: i changed some behavior but did not expect a big impact actually. maybe 5 ranks gain
cegprakash: good old bug lol
eulerscheZahl: should have done this 19h later, now you will try to analyze me :(
DomiKo: ofc we are :D
eulerscheZahl: or the submit will just drop like a stone, only 20%
blasterpoard: idk, you said you changed offence and you're not killing me fast enough
wlesavo: not me, my deep analysis left me deep at the legend bottom
blasterpoard: so not really interested in your bot
eulerscheZahl: boom, headshot
DomiKo: emotional damage
DomiKo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njO8mmr2MoQ
eulerscheZahl: there we go, 4 losses in a row
wlesavo: pms would be really interesting though
struct: nice top 5
struct: Im back
struct: its all in now
struct: no sleep until legend
eulerscheZahl: are you sure? "i wrote a huge chunk of if-else it does something"
DomiKo: struct I see full attack mode now
eulerscheZahl: MindController: https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F002%2F244%2F642%2Fa5f.jpg
MindController: eulerscheZahl dont give up
eulerscheZahl: he was right after all, little change
struct: I might be hiding, who knows
eulerscheZahl: struct smurfing in top10 confirmed
HoriMiyamura: :D
DomiKo: struct 50 points incoming
HoriMiyamura: 49.9 points is good enough
struct: lol
struct: 50 is impossible
struct: you can only get 8.0 higher than rank 2 right?
DomiKo: for you? :wink:
struct: yes impossible :p
eulerscheZahl: not sure about the exact limit. but 50 is impossible
eulerscheZahl: indeed
IvesL: i think 40 is good enough already
IvesL: according to the distribution of trueskill
struct: last contest diff was 6.85 between rank 1 and 2
IvesL: >99.7%
eulerscheZahl: i expect you to do better than that struct
IvesL: the true >99% comparing to language certificates
blasterpoard: this time, there might not be even a 1 point difference, simply because of fog of war
struct: or may be even more
struct: if dapo submits
blasterpoard: or karIiso
blasterpoard: the usual suspects
Zyk0: I wanted to see reCurse's bot
cegprakash: bowbowforeach look like u have a GA
cegprakash: nice combos
DomiKo: GA :joy:
eulerscheZahl: there are more search algorithms than just GA
cegprakash: but this is a simultaneous game
struct: I think its smitsimax
cegprakash: not alternate move game
cegprakash: so GA
DomiKo: is this a problem?
DomiKo: for any algo?
struct: But I havent even looked at his games
cegprakash: smitsimax look like a GA
struct: is mcts a ga?
cegprakash: except there is no backpropogate in GA
DomiKo: The GA can't handle the difficult behavior of the opponent
Westicles: America's hopes rest with CaptainHamburger
cegprakash: MCTS is not
cegprakash: but MCTS is kinda too much random
eulerscheZahl: sounds very american
JRFerguson: you can take some ms to GA the opponent and then GA yourself
cegprakash: GA has mutation
JRFerguson: it works in some cases
cegprakash: so u converge to accuracy in GA while MCTS is just random
DomiKo: JRFerguson that dosent really help
JRFerguson: it does to some extent
cegprakash: MadKnight used to say GA everything
JRFerguson: not the same as minimax or smitsimax of course
cegprakash: don't know what happened to MadKnight
cegprakash: miss him
struct: just assume that opponent has 4 heroes
struct: :)
DomiKo: ;)
Dapps: I've done too many simultaneous enhancements my rank has dropped
Dapps: now to slowly undo them...
eulerscheZahl: classic
rockyyyyyyy123: How can i start coding? or learn
cegprakash: w3schools.com rockyyyyyyy123 just learn the sytax like basic loops arrays, then u are good to start solving problems
IvesL: you learn coding by start coding?
cegprakash: syntax*
Dapps: I wonder if bowwowforeach is using some sort of brute force search. i think he did the same in a kaggle competition i was in
wlesavo: if this submit end up in top150 im not touching this mess ever again :slight_smile:
DomiKo: good decision
IvesL: dont touch old code, you rewrite it
cegprakash: bowwowforeach is using symmetry property at it's best from my observation -_-
Dapps: think most top bots are. it's a lot of useful info if you see/don't see a spider
PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: how fast can a hero move ?
wlesavo: took me about 15 minutes to code today, including finding spawning positions in referee
PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: i see 800
ddreams: what are the spawning positions?
ddreams: is it a fixed list or just the area?
wlesavo: ddreams
https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Configuration.java#L26
ddreams: right, thx
cegprakash: bowbowforeach's defender is following my attacker like vodafone's pet dog :P lol
IvesL: do you think purely following is a good strategy?
IvesL: assigning one hero
cegprakash: it works for bowwowforeach
cegprakash: bowwowforeach has a crash here: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630462134
Dapps: shh don't tell him
cegprakash: lol
Dapps: anyone know the vector math for where to target when a spider is on the edge
Dapps: i find i blow them everywhere but where i want it to go
cegprakash: for attacking u mean Dapps?
cegprakash: heropos+target-monster vel
pandaburger: I just gotta say that using code games as a hiring test is retarded, and makes me use ableist terms.
Dapps: cegprakash yup attacking. so hero.pos + enemybase.pos - monster.speed?
cegprakash: yes try it Dapps
Dapps: thx
Valdemar: cegprakash no need to use monster.speed, they pushed before move and after that cannot move
cegprakash: enemybase.pos - monster.speed gives the direction of wind
cegprakash: doing hero position + direction of wind gives the target of wind
cegprakash: Valdemar
cegprakash: sorry.. Dapps
cegprakash: heropos+target-monster pos
cegprakash: not velocity
cegprakash: good catch Valdemar
Dapps: you tricked me! no wonder i lost so many in a row
cegprakash: typo
Dapps: it's all good. i have my own bugs to fix lol
cegprakash: Dappbugs
MrPc: hello
MrPc: I'm new here, where should I start
VaseSimion: hello MrPc, I would suggest some practice problems
VaseSimion: what do you want to achieve here?
Venneth: Hello, is the x,y in the coordinate system the same as cartesian, but the y is inverted?
Astrobytes: Yes
Venneth: allright thank you
Astrobytes: top left 0,0
Venneth: allright got it
MrPc: I want to practice data structure and algorithm
VaseSimion: Then I would suggest doing some practice problems. That is your best start to get used to codinggame
VaseSimion: Then you just go harder
MrPc: Thanks.
IvesL: if you want practising data structure and algos, isnt leetcode better?
VaseSimion: There is a big challenge ongoing, but it ends in 17 hours and you might not get much of it
VaseSimion: Leetcode might be better, but this is more interactive and fun (from my own experience with both)
Dapps: +1
Dapps: although i wish they ran these competitions more often
Dapps: and not escape room ones..
VaseSimion: I have not tried the escape rooms, yet
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630509745 frame 65+ that wind battle between my defender and arnaud's attacker...
Astrobytes: if any mods are in chat, the spambot is back on discord
5DN1L: done, thanks!
Astrobytes: 5DN1L: thank you very much :)
5DN1L: np :)
eulerscheZahl: i think the spambot is actually a hacked account. saw the same on topcoder discord and when the user was messaged, he said something along the lines
eulerscheZahl: that also makes it close to impossible to prevent it with extra authentication steps
Astrobytes: yeah, it uses hacked accounts as spambots
Astrobytes: it's a nightmare to control it seems
eulerscheZahl: so first you get hacked, then banned :D
eulerscheZahl: great day
Astrobytes: lol, right
jrke: replay limit is now frustating me!
jrke: time to setup it locally now
eulerscheZahl: replay limit. you mean that it only shows the last 500 in your history?
Astrobytes: I think he refers to the ide play limit
jrke: yeah ide replay
jrke: online ide
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: oh, blaster with a blast
jrke: test.html -> https://prnt.sc/cTXsbFUNodDE
jrke: :neutral_face:
eulerscheZahl: that's a lot of grey
jrke: not lot its everything grey
struct: never faced that problem
blasterpoard: eulerscheZahl just a lucky submit; not that much changed from the previous one
struct: not that much can help
AshKetchum: blasterpoard, looking at your profile pic, I can't stop thinking if you switched b and p in your nickname:grimacing:
Astrobytes: it really used to bother agad e iirc
jrke: https://prnt.sc/3kvI27yKo8Gt
jrke: any idea?
peerdb: Im really struggling countering players with good CONTROL usage on my heroes
IvesL: then use shield?
Jok55r: sup
ZndrBrok: IS there a moderator in the place ?
ZndrBrok: C# language assist is always broke... It was the same trwo days ago and i see it's always the case :/
ZndrBrok: i can write "hsdighf;" and it will only throw me the error when it compile...
struct: Im just a chat moderator
struct: Report it on forums I guess
eulerscheZahl: lucky submit? i can totally identify with that
eulerscheZahl: or with a lucky start at least
struct: timer is blinking...
eulerscheZahl: no, just red
struct: you are right
Astrobytes: "indeed"
struct: :grin:
BrunoFelthes: 700 bot computing... every contest is the same thing... servers cant handle the last day of the competition... it is depressing
Astrobytes: at least we *have* a contest
Dapps: buy them more servers
BrunoFelthes: they should have a paid service to add more services and have a priority queue to the one that contribute... an aws server is $3 a week
BrunoFelthes: i could pay $10 to have a priority queue
Samer: fairness is crucial in this competiton
Astrobytes: we had this discussion yesterday
Astrobytes: I would agree with donations for server power but I wouldn't agree with pay to win, neither does CG
Samer: I wasn't here yesterday, but if servers can be rented for the last few days of each competition, I'm happy to pay for them... just who do i talk to?
BrunoFelthes: why it is not fair??? they should ask for 2 or 3 more server... than the ones that will pay, will add more server for everyone
Astrobytes: a priority queue for those who paid is unfair
Astrobytes: not everyone can afford to contribute
Samer: there are a lot of students and people who can't afford to pay but want to play and have fun, why should they be at a disadvantage?
Samer: anyway, who do I talk to regarding my proposal?
IvesL: how about priority queue with cooldown, only prioritize same user every few hours?
Astrobytes: it won't happen Samer
Astrobytes: we have made suggestions like this for years
Samer: why not Astrobytes? consider it a donation
Samer: oh, wow ok
Samer: that's messed up
Samer: I for instance, couldn't work on my code for 2 days... and today I have time, but submitting takes hours and it's a bit discouraging
BrunoFelthes: it is not unfair, they will have their position later, only it... and priority, is not before, is that you have your processor.... you have garantee that you have your queue in 10 minutes
ZndrBrok: Hi guys, can somebody try to write C# code and confirm that the language assistance is broken ? I am not sure if this bug is more global or concern only me... Two days ago other people where writing about the same problem, but today i see nobody speeking about that :P
ZndrBrok: It's so frustrating
ZndrBrok: :/
Samer: ZndrBrok I never used it, don't think I even saw it working, I code in VS and just paste here to submit
Dapps: I have the same issue. I just don't rely on it and us VS Code
ycsvenom: struct i know you good in c++
can you lead to how to start playing with OS?
i am sorry if the question is a bit ambiguous but that's the best i can do
ZndrBrok: Ok, thanks guys !
Astrobytes: ZndrBrok: most of us code offline in an IDE of our choice, personally I use visual studio, or sometimes vscode for quick things
LaurensD: Yeah use external tools, the ide is slow here unfortunately.
Samer: I also dump all game input each turn, and use that data in VS to analyze any particular game turn, very useful
Dapps: +1
struct: ycsvenom I only use c++ here tbh
heiyao: 为什么打出来的变成中文了
ZndrBrok: @Samer, i need to read more about that !
ZndrBrok: I didn't knew u can do that :P
Astrobytes: just copy to a text file, then set stdin to that text file in VS
LaurensD: struggles of life
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630561320
Astrobytes: *redirect not set
ZndrBrok: Ok !
ZndrBrok: Thank you !
Astrobytes: very useful, np
Samer: I just paste the input to VS console, and set a breakpoint at the beginning of my strategy code section
Astrobytes: ^ that works too
cegprakash: This is what I use in C++ for debugging in Visual Studio 2019
cegprakash: FILE* f1;
freopen_s(&f1, "input.txt", "r", stdin); turn = 120;
cegprakash: and comment this line before submission
Astrobytes: yep, yet another way to do it
Michael_Howard: How do you tell if a spider you can't see anymore is dead or something else happened to it?
cegprakash: u need spider sense
Astrobytes: :smirk:
Dapps: walked into that one lol
stolyaroleh: with great mana comes great responsibility
Michael_Howard: Should have by now, I've been bitten by enough spiders.
Astrobytes: lol
cegprakash: the yellow and pink spiders don't scare much.. the red spiders are deadly
Astrobytes: the bluish-black ones you find under rocks in the UK give a nasty bite
Astrobytes: tube-web spiders
Astrobytes: false widows give a bit of a nip too
44AA44: start
44AA44: oops wrong chat
44AA44: sorry
cegprakash: too slow submits
cegprakash: this is so sad
cegprakash: given the last day of contest
Astrobytes: it's ok, you're not going to sleep so why worry, just submit later
cegprakash: I submitted 2.5 hrs back and it's only at 39%
cegprakash: look like I can only do 2 more testing
cegprakash: after this completes
eulerscheZahl: wow, that's extremely slow
Astrobytes: yes, we're all in the same boat
Dapps: i get too impatient and make another change and start a new submit :(
_NikJ: 1h ago, 21% xd
eulerscheZahl: it's Sunday in France
Astrobytes: 1hr 44m ago and at 56%
_NikJ: servers lazy too?
eulerscheZahl: Labor Day even, public holiday
Dapps: 6m ago at 8% :)
Astrobytes: lol
_NikJ: same here, eulerscheZahl
_NikJ: add weekend on top of, 5 days off
eulerscheZahl: too bad that holiday and sunday fall on the same date
Astrobytes: ceg is already pinging Thibaud on discord to complain
_NikJ: in my company, when a public holiday falls on sunday, it's extended to monday too
Dapps: running so slow i'm watching every single battle in 1x
Astrobytes: hahaha
_NikJ: and still got time to go grab a coffee :d
Astrobytes: at least you won't miss anything I guess
Dapps: scores seem so close. 1pt difference can be 100 ranks
ashiknur: why testing is taking too long?
struct: too many submits
struct: and low number of servers
struct: and this is ifs bot if this was search it would be even slower
cegprakash: true that struct
stolyaroleh: I wonder if referee is slow/unoptimized
cegprakash: I believe my straight foward if else would run under 10 ms
struct: yes it is
stolyaroleh: ^ exactly
struct: you just need to check the 8k turns line
stolyaroleh: would be cool if we could run a testing environment locally
stolyaroleh: donate CPU power to codingame in exchange for quick feedback loop
stolyaroleh: then, just write a bot that mines bitcoin
struct: you can test locally vs your own bots
Dapps: nice finally seeing different things come together. probably one of my best starts https://www.codingame.com/replay/630596683
raxkin: Hey, not sure if it's allowed to give tips for the challange, but if it's possible, anyone can share a article or some concepsts that i can research for calculating the push angle? Want to solve this problem in frame 175: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630609227
raxkin: Currentlly pushing to 0,0 but would like to calculate the optimal point to don't push it to the wall all the time
peerdb: Is it weird that I'm performing better against the top 150 of Legend than against the lower 150?
DomiKo: no
jacek: :neutral_face:
cclaude42: Hello! Anyone know where I can find the formula they use to rank companies / schools in the contest ?
Kelos: raxkin, you need to calculate direction from mob to your base and push in that direction. WindPosition = HeroPosition + BasePosition - MobPosition
struct: I think its just average of top N players
jzen: "We take the sum of points of the top 5 players in each company/school with at least 3 players"
raxkin: Thanks Kelos, will try it
jzen: From the faq on the contest page
cclaude42: Oh
And what's the "points" ? Is it CP ?
jzen: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/codingame-spring-challenge-2020/152927
cclaude42: Awesome, thank you!
gaha: hey is there final leaderboard recomputation after the challenge ends?
blasterpoard: gaha everyone in legend gets another ~500 games
blasterpoard: 500x2, actually, because you get 500 games from your recalc and around 500 from other people's recalcs
cclaude42: Anyone know the fitness score required to be promoted to Legend?
Astrobytes: > than the gold boss
Scarfield: when your submit has finished, and your score is greater than gold boss you will rank up
cclaude42: Cool ! Where can I check the boss score?
Astrobytes: Leaderboard button on the left
cclaude42: Scarfield when you say "finished" does that mean I have to wait for the little circle to be full ? Do all my battles ?
Scarfield: you are not typing on your screen today i see astro :p
Scarfield: yes cclaude42
Astrobytes: hahaha :D
Scarfield: you could be higher than the boss during the submit, but it only counts when the submit has finalized
5DN1L: cclaude42 I'm just curious... how did you rank up before gold? :open_mouth:
Astrobytes: lol
5DN1L: wow and cclaude42 even took part in other contests and bot games before :thinking:
jacek: oh my
Astrobytes: maybe it's a team account
5DN1L: maybe
Astrobytes: or perhaps he has a truly terrible memory :D
5DN1L: terrible indeed if that's the reason...
5DN1L: both short-term and long-term memory
Astrobytes: Indeed. A wonder he can function in daily life
5DN1L: lol
cclaude42: Oo found it ! Thanks everyone
jacek: :tada:
cclaude42: To answer your question, it has been a while, but usually I just... rank up without paying attention LOL
Astrobytes: hehehe
cclaude42: Never been legend before so all pumped at the idea!
derjack: oO
Astrobytes: nice one, good luck :)
cclaude42: VS matches taking forever tho :weary:
struct: is not that bad
Scarfield: its not that good either :p
struct: But I do make sure I use all my 50ms
struct: each turn
struct: just in a while loop that checks the time
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Scarfield: xD
JohnyDaison: How is it possible that I'm getting in inputs a mob that is outside my sight range and on top of that getting incorrect position of it? (different from what the popover box in game shows)
AshKetchum: JohnyDaison, if you are saving them to an array, are you clearing the array before input?
Scarfield: the game works, so maybe you have data from previous turns
JohnyDaison: I have data from previous turns, but I want them. The problem is that the update I get from the game is incorrect.
Astrobytes: are you matching the input to the correct IDs?
Astrobytes: ie. updating the correct entities
JohnyDaison: yup, there is no other mob close by for whom that position could be valid
5DN1L: matching the replay with the wrong turn?
JohnyDaison: I tried looking on turn forward and turn back, still doesn't make any sense.
cclaude42: Well so far it's been about 90 minutes and I'm only at a third of the circle, looks like it'll been another couple hours before I know how I fair!
AshKetchum: do previous turns match? the initial ones
JohnyDaison: *one
5DN1L: share a replay and give an example, JohnyDaison
JohnyDaison: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630653426
5DN1L: give an example of the inputs of a turn you're seeing wrong
5DN1L: and the turn number
DustinNunyo: I wish I would have known how fun this spring challenge was sooner. I've only had the past 2 days to work on it. That being said I am number 22 in bronze league which I don't think is too bad for only working on it yesterday and this morning. lol
JohnyDaison: So, the first time i see in inputs mob id 149 is on turn 183.
cclaude42: Dw about it Dustin! We'll just say it's practice for the 2022 Fall Challenge :D
JohnyDaison: I get position 3429, 7843. And now I see that's the position the game shows in turn 182. OK, but that's not the biggest issue.
Astrobytes: JohnyDaison: that's correct
Astrobytes: oh sorry, didn't read your second part
AshKetchum: JohnyDaison, from turn 187 your hero walked that monster-149 and launched it at the end. Fun to watch :joy:
5DN1L: The end of result of turn 182 is the inputs to the beginning of turn 183
JohnyDaison: OK, I see what's the issue now. I have a lot of debug output and it causes the log scrolling to go out of sync with the game visualisation. Which is frankly quite annoying.
DustinNunyo: Right? Going to try to figure some things out between now and then hopefully. Like how to separate my projects into different files. lol
Astrobytes: You know about the multiplayer section on the site right DustinNunyo?
DustinNunyo: I know about the vs section and I've seen a co-op section that I would like to check out.
JohnyDaison: I'm looking at the log for turn 192 but the game is on turn 194.
Astrobytes: cause all/most of the previous contests are available to play at any time, plus user created games
DustinNunyo: Oh, yeah, I know about that, and I definitely plan on continuing this challenge. Just would have been nice to have had more time before the deadline. lol
DustinNunyo: It's entirely my fault. I knew about this site. I just hadn't been keeping tabs on it and didn't realize how fun it had gotten.
Astrobytes: ah cool, don't worry, just do your best if you have some time now, if not.. at least you did something!
jacek: so is there is anything other than clashes?
Astrobytes: jacek: :smirk:
ayaan-dev: hi
LeJordy: your mom
jacek: my oh
Astrobytes: :upside_down:
Link_jon: hai?
5DN1L: just a reminder to all newcomers here: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
eulerscheZahl: those should be self-explanatory without being explicitly written down :(
Link_jon: sadly, the fact you had should in your sentence is showing :/
JohnyDaison: you mean self-evident, not self-explanatory
eulerscheZahl: yes
Link_jon: ... on a different note nil is being a pain
eulerscheZahl: i also mean blast bugs in opponent base and do the opposite
Link_jon: ooo kaboom
Link_jon: wait can bugs explode? hm. i guess the more painful one cause ripples
Astrobytes: thought you'd given up euler
eulerscheZahl: i did
eulerscheZahl: then i had this lucky submit which later dropped a lot:
Astrobytes: heh heh
Dapps: i think i saw that. saw your name top 3 i believe
jacek: impossibru
eulerscheZahl: this https://imgur.com/a/mdrEf6F
eulerscheZahl: was a pain to see it drop again
Astrobytes: ouch
Dapps: looks photoshopped
Astrobytes: lol I hope you're joking
eulerscheZahl: it's a real screenshot
eulerscheZahl: finished 25th
Dapps: yea was jk :P
jacek: nyoro~n
Astrobytes: 25th, quite a drop
eulerscheZahl: and i don't have photoshop. long live gimp
Astrobytes: +1 to that
Astrobytes: krita is good too
eulerscheZahl: i have it installed but never really tried it
struct: This is what I do to stop looking at the rank
struct: https://i.imgur.com/Nbgm9qT.png
eulerscheZahl: illedan does that too
Astrobytes: krita is better for actually drawing, think gimp wins in manipulation
eulerscheZahl: for gimp i had to find a tutorial on how to draw a circle
jacek: paint plx
Astrobytes: lol, gimp interface is ... slightly unintuitive
eulerscheZahl: circular selection tool => select edge => increase width => fill with paint bucket
eulerscheZahl: at least it's all in a single window now and not that many small windows floating around anymore
eulerscheZahl: that's a pain to use with i3wm
Astrobytes: I think you can still detach them
eulerscheZahl: i don't want to
Astrobytes: if you like that kind of thing
eulerscheZahl: delphi 7 IDE also was like this
eulerscheZahl: was my first ever IDE (if you don't count a turbo pascal command line application as IDE)
Astrobytes: mid-late 90s?
eulerscheZahl: probably
Astrobytes: I vaguely recall it
Husoski: When I used it, Turbo Pascal didn't have a command line...
eulerscheZahl: was already outdated when i used it around 2005 or so
Dapps: VB6 all the way
Dapps: so amazed when i first opened the ide
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: https://winworldpc.com/product/turbo-pascal/5x
i think that's what i started with (won't download to check)
eulerscheZahl: 5.5
Husoski: ...and then disappointed that it was still BASIC? :)
Astrobytes: I still have a copy of Visual C++ somewhere in a box
Astrobytes: 5 or 6 iirc
eulerscheZahl: should we call the historians on you?
Husoski: I had some MS C 3.1 stuff on 5.25" floppies not that long ago.
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: I've got a massive bag of Amiga 1200 floppies ( games, tools etc) and no floppy drive
Astrobytes: no Amiga either but that's less of an issue
Husoski: I'm afraid to even plug in my Atari 800...
Astrobytes: you should!
Husoski: No TV in my house will play NTSC video anyway.
Astrobytes: (plug it in I mean, not be afraid :P )
Astrobytes: ah
Husoski: Not sure what happens when electrolytic caps dry up.
Astrobytes: I think it just fails
jacek: i had this https://arhn.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/glk-2004.jpg and it had some basic. my first programming adventure
Astrobytes: but don't quote me on that
Scarfield: "me on that"
Astrobytes: Scarfield :rofl:
Astrobytes: jacek: wow, never seen one of those. RISC-based?
MrUnofficial: kostas
jacek: it was some NES clone with keyboard
Astrobytes: nice!
Astrobytes: more importantly: did it work properly
jacek: for the time being...
Astrobytes: lol, that's all that matters
Astrobytes: seen some crazy clones/knock-offs over the years, with varying levels of quality
jacek: :smirk: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/nes/images/2/24/Pegasus_polystation.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130410165510&path-prefix=pl
Astrobytes: that... didn't work
jacek: hm?
Astrobytes: got it now, opened it in another browser
Astrobytes: was it any good tho
Astrobytes: and wtf
jacek: dunno i havent had one. im aware of many playstation nes clones
Astrobytes: madness
jacek: crazy 90s-00s
cegprakash: does anyone feels ladder is broken due to too much active submits
Dapps: thought it was great, was moving into top 100. i'm falling out of top 100 so i agree it's broken..
Astrobytes: heh heh
cegprakash: I was in top 40 at 50% dropped to 110
Astrobytes: we await your pm where you state your highest position achieved during a submit as your 'true rank'
Astrobytes: :D
uEnvy: its updating very slowly compared to submissions other days so may be overloaded ya
uEnvy: 30 minutes for 18% progress
_NikJ: jeez, even regular plays are slow af
jacek: regular?
_NikJ: "play my code"
_NikJ: not submissions
uEnvy: i noticed the IDE itself was feeling laggy earlier too
eulerscheZahl: 923 computing already
eulerscheZahl: out of 7625 players
Astrobytes: oh, up to 7625 now, nice
ayaan-dev: hi
ayaan-dev: hate yall
ayaan-dev: bye
Link_jon: o okay bai
eulerscheZahl: i'm frustrated, see you tomorrow for final desperation submits
ayaan-dev: a
ayaan-dev: a
ayaan-dev: a
Astrobytes: gn euler
uEnvy: gj zahl
5DN1L: no spamming please ayaan-dev
yamo: it is so frustrating eulerscheZahl
Link_jon: gn
yamo: where do you see the count of ongoing submits ?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2022/leaderboard/global?column=SCORE&value=INPROGRESS
eulerscheZahl: 923 results found for «Score - Computing»
struct: holy
uEnvy: explains things lol
struct: Should be safe to submit 6 hours before end I guess
struct: at least I hope
struct: I can code something by then
ayaan-dev: whats programming
Link_jon: insanity
Espiobest: death
ayaan-dev: ah i see
yamo: that's crazy. I didn't know that players were such active for a sunday …
ayaan-dev: espio plz give me your knowledge
Espiobest: what is knowledge
ayaan-dev: idk
struct: stop spamming nonsense please
ayaan-dev: lmfao
Link_jon: what is sense
IvesL: not really because of sunday, but last minute
5DN1L: spammers getting kicked out is common sense
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
5DN1L: and the rule here
ayaan-dev: 💀 dang
ayaan-dev: anyways how are u all doing today
5DN1L: You wanna get kicked out too? ayaan-dev
ayaan-dev: nah im fine
5DN1L: good to know
ayaan-dev: ye
ayaan-dev: :apple:
5DN1L: you just can't resist the temptation to get kicked
cegprakash: the professionals here who take part once an year like me can gladly donate for 1 server cost for 10 days and probably many of us can sponsor for more servers.. why CG does this to us year after year
Espiobest: SDN1L average discord mod
LeJordy: lol
5DN1L: SDN sounds like a Malaysian company
Espiobest: 5DN1L whatever, S is better tho. consider changing it
5DN1L: anyway please stick to coding topics please, or get kicked out
Espiobest: okbro
Espiobest: what langs do you know
5DN1L: check out my profile
Espiobest: nice
skotz: i'd gladly help crowdfund extra server capacity during competitions... wonder how scalable their infra is
5DN1L: Somebody has to write a business proposal showing the profitability of such an idea before CG will accept it, I guess
Westicles: Isn't there infra just 4 old PCs?
uEnvy: one caught fire it seems :(
skotz: i've convinced 12 other people at wok to sign up, plus i'm trying to get approval to use their tech screening tools during interviews
cegprakash: I don't think they have 4 pcs
cegprakash: just 1 server
skotz: surely there's a way to put a dollar amount to keeping thousands of professional devs happy
cegprakash: 940 submissions * 150 games * 20 ms * 220 turns is like 3 hours all submissions should end
cegprakash: that's in 1 PC
Astrobytes: thousands of professional devs + me
cegprakash: ok my bad.. 172 hours for 1 PC
5DN1L: keeping the shareholders happy or the professional devs happy, that is the question
5DN1L: (why not both?)
skotz: true... guess the trick is to tie one to the other
Astrobytes: literally or figuratively? :P
struct: and lets not forget compilation time
struct: They compile the code every match
struct: I think
struct: :D
5DN1L: Astrobytes lol
skotz: :grinning:
cegprakash: we need 1000 machines to handle this scale
cegprakash: 1000 servers
struct: ok now I can sim the wind
struct: A bit late :p
BoBot: @struct why would they compile every match? :O wouldn't caching the executables make more sense? (depending on the lang of course)
struct: no idea BoBot
BoBot: hmm, I wonder what the (compilation:match compute) ratio is
BoBot: for c++ f.e.
blasterpoard: afaik compilation is capped at 10 seconds, and re-compilation happens only if your bot hasn't fought on that machine (yet/for some time)
jacek: i think they compile only once
blasterpoard: I've ran into that limit before
BoBot: seems to make more sense at least
struct: Maybe I'm wrong
cegprakash: guys I don't understand how the monster gets damaged in between wind action
struct: because damage applies before wind
struct: You move attack and then wind
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630731302
cegprakash: turn 77 I've 879.189 distance to monster and I'm using wind
cegprakash: but monster dies
blasterpoard: enemy hero killed it
cegprakash: no they are pretty far
blasterpoard: before wind
struct: there is an animation showing it
struct: 717.05648313086
struct: distance
cegprakash: ok hero 3 is not in my vision
rockyyyyyyy123: what does it means cin >>
cegprakash: ok so it's not a bug in my code
cegprakash: just that I can't see him
JohnyDaison: rockyyyyyyy123 did you choose C language without seening it ever before?
JohnyDaison: *seeing
rockyyyyyyy123: JohnyDaison what lenguage i do then?
JohnyDaison: javascript is pretty easy
crazyfrog: how to get into the next the LEAGUE level?
DustinNunyo: Woot! Made it to silver league before the challenge ended!
JohnyDaison: congrats!
Astrobytes: nice one DustinNunyo, congrats!
rockyyyyyyy123: JohnyDaison i understand more things on C than on JavaScript just as a first view
JohnyDaison: sure, in that case, cin is input
rockyyyyyyy123: Thanks
JohnyDaison: are you familiar with data types?
rockyyyyyyy123: I think i know what is it but not the name, sounds familiar
rockyyyyyyy123: I started yesterday tho
JohnyDaison: oh, in C everything has to be typed properly, I can be a bit tough if you're a beginner. Javascript just lets you do things and figure out the types by itself.
JohnyDaison: *It
JohnyDaison: also, have you checked out the Starter Kit?
rockyyyyyyy123: Nop, where is it?
5DN1L: Are you working on the contest or something else? rockyyyyyyy123
rockyyyyyyy123: I started the Onboarding game
5DN1L: Yes, and I think you finished it, right?
rockyyyyyyy123: No, not yet
jacek: is this about which value is greater?
5DN1L: rockyyyyyyy123 Hmmm, but I think you had passed it already :thinking: You got 100% score on it
5DN1L: If you followed the tutorial instructions you should have solved it
rockyyyyyyy123: Becaused it appeared the solution on it and i copy it haha. But i wanna make it on my self
rockyyyyyyy123: by*
5DN1L: i see, that's good
jacek: :+1:
LaurensD: pingpong with enemies lol https://www.codingame.com/replay/630760963
cegprakash: finally u added an attacker LaurensD
cegprakash: now time to reck the boss
DustinNunyo: Anyone wanna try the coding escape room stuff?
CaptainHamburger: Its insane how almost every sumbit
CaptainHamburger: I win first 3 fights against the high reated opponents
CaptainHamburger: But almos always lose to 2 enemies being at 100-200 th position
CaptainHamburger: Win against high lose against low
CaptainHamburger: Lol
ntsd: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630788071
ntsd: Why my sheild get bad command
DomiKo: SPELL SHIELD <id>
ntsd: oh
ntsd: my bad
ntsd: thank you
DomiKo: no problemo
struct: no account and no shirt
struct: rip
DomiKo: [*]
struct: I still didnt give up yet
DomiKo: still 12 hours to go
struct: one more all nighter...
Counterbalance: only time for 2 more submits
struct: I only need 1
struct: :)
kovi: last morning usually (but not always) works better than last night
kovi: also...you can submit one more 1 min before finish
Counterbalance: 4h 15m in, at 96%, rank 16 gold.. not sure if i should..
struct: how much distance form boss?
kovi: from gold to top...we have seen that before
Counterbalance: 7 positions, 1.1 points
struct: Hard to say tbh
Counterbalance: my bot rose about 100 places (in global leaderboard) today so I could risk it I guess
mframbou: Hi, does any of you know what will happen at the end ? If we are being ranked does the ranking continue or will everyone just stay in the same position whether or not they are currently being ranked ?
blasterpoard: mframbou everyone gets an extra 1000 games (like a submit with 500 games, but you also get challenged ~500x)
blasterpoard: if you're in legend, that is
struct: only top 50 gets that I think
mframbou: Thank ! So I should try to submit my final code more than 4 hours before deadline since ranking takes a very long time
blasterpoard: that would be understandable, seeing how many people are in legend
blasterpoard: mframbou all the submits finish first, only then the recalc starts
struct: recalc will be over by tuesday :D
mframbou: Oh ok so I should be able to submit only a few minutes before deadline (though that would be risky), I guess results will be announced a day or two after ?
blasterpoard: you'll see it nappenning live on the leaderboard just like now; you just won't get into the IDE
mframbou: :thumbsup: thanks !
Waffle3z: my joke submission is rank 251 in gold now, I haven't changed it since it was in 548th
IvesL: @blasterpoard how many lines have you got
blasterpoard: IvesL 2205
IvesL: are you optimistic in securing #1
struct: DomiKo you are in tshirt range, gl
blasterpoard: no, there will be a ton of hiding players submitting in the morning
DomiKo: struct for now
cegprakash: what's the order of submissions of bots during recalc
struct: all at the same time
cegprakash: oh damn..
struct: and its not a submission
cegprakash: kind of like what's happening now
cegprakash: 1000 parallel submissions lol
cegprakash: with such slow servers I'm scared to touch a single line
nalka0: Yeah changing something is pretty scary atm x)
Astrobytes: no point in hanging around when it's like this lol, see ya all tomorrow
nalka0: Watching replays is still instructive ^^
Waffle3z: if you blow a monster into range of the opponent's base, will it change directions and move another 400 towards the base at the end of the turn?
struct: no
struct: winded mobs dont move that turn
struct: but it will update the direction
cegprakash: I don't know why I'm tweaking against blasterpoard knowing that I'm never going to face him during calc
cegprakash: but it's fun to tweak against him
cegprakash: but who knows I get lucky seeds during calc and I end up facing him
LiangK: I'm new here, does everyone here, like know more than one language already?
cegprakash: LiangK almost all professionals do.. students usually know 1 or 2
cegprakash: tweaking against blasterpoard means tweaking against everyone with 2 attackers
blasterpoard: definitely no
uEnvy: the double push is pretty brutal
blasterpoard: what you see from most people is a sped-up and a bit less consistent version of what I did in gold
_NikJ: _NikJ failed a CONTROL: Hero 2 doesn't know where entity 4 is
, even though it's in my fov?
ddreams: not in range of hero 2?
cegprakash: yeah I cd manage them
cegprakash: but u on other hand use control the moment u see me
cegprakash: :D
cegprakash: and I'm doomed
cegprakash: eEnvy how about tetra push
cegprakash: uEnvy u don't know tetra push 8800 distance?
cegprakash: I'm around rank 30 how many gets T shirt
DomiKo: 20
cegprakash: :(
cegprakash: can someone in top 20 donate the T shift to me for sportsmanship
cegprakash: T shirt*
cegprakash: I never won a T shirt
struct: cegprakash can you tell me again the coordinates for wind please?
struct: Im not good at math :p
struct: Im using angle atm and its working
cegprakash: lol
struct: but with your math it will work aswell I think
cegprakash: hero pos + target - monster pos
struct: ty
tobk: Somehow this is not my contest... any last minute tips to at least get out of Silver? :-(
struct: tobk 3 defenders or 2 defenders with 1 attacker that just goes into opponent base and winds spiders into their base
cegprakash: my rank is at The Life the Universe and Everything
cegprakash: if u know what I mean
cegprakash: tobk share a replay with silver boss
blasterpoard: tobk get 180ish mana, control mobs towards (7000, 2000) (or flipped), run there with all 3 heroes, quadruple wind them into opponent's base, welcome to low legend
cegprakash: will help u
tobk: I'm already doing that (or at least I think I do), but somehow opp gets loads more mana than me. Last submission was ~Silver 200, current (calculating) is at 1000...
cegprakash: share a replay tobk
cegprakash: against silver boss
tobk: "quadrupel wind".... wait, wind stacks? i.e. casting 2 winds in same round will move twice as far?
blasterpoard: yes
cegprakash: yeah tobk
ddreams: yep
blasterpoard: use 1 wind on a mob behind you at max range, the 3xwind towards the base
cegprakash: basically u can push monsters 8800 units i.e. from middle of the board to kill
cegprakash: in just 2 turns
cegprakash: WIND + WIND,WIND,WIND
tobk: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630867110
tobk: Hm, guess I should have asked earlier... not sure I really want to do that tweak now. But for sure after the contest.
cegprakash: don't use ctrl in early game towards opponent u are gifting them free mana
uEnvy: yeah using a ton of mana on early control just for them to die right away
cegprakash: only use CTRL when opponent defenders are not doing their duty
tobk: Good point, that was also something I realized today. I'm basically using the same set of rules in each turn, no real "early game" or "late game" differentiation.
cegprakash: the strat could actually work if u start using CTRL after the red spiders come
cegprakash: i.e. the late game spiders
cegprakash: health of spider increases by 1 every 4 turns
cegprakash: so early game spiders are easy to defend
cegprakash: late game spiders are not
cegprakash: so no point giving early farm to opponent when it's easily defendable
cegprakash: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966605784781836348/969991439977160714/apocalypse.PNG?width=885&height=669
cegprakash: u can cause a zombie apocalypse in late game
cegprakash: if u just save ur mana
tobk: Thanks for all the tips! I'll try tweaking my mana use a bit, but will save the big coordination-refactoring for after the contest. One more submit, and if that sucks by tomorrow I'll just revert to my silver-200 bot. :-/
cegprakash: I reached gold just by using wind
cegprakash: don't give up tobk
cegprakash: zombie apocalypse is a decent strat for silver
tobk: Right now ~50% against Silver Boss... I'll give that another go, but no time for mayor refactoring, with clogged servers and already past midnight here. Thanks again, see you tomorrow!
cegprakash: gn
cegprakash: I can't believe my eyes my bot is at rank 25 the same bot with 1 less if was in 150+
cegprakash: not sure if I can trust this rank
cegprakash: I'll shave my head if I win a T shirt
DomiKo: SS saved
cegprakash: :D
_NikJ: why is my bot asymmetrical if I'm using X, Y for left side and MAP_WIDTH-X, MAP_WIDTH-Y for right side..
cegprakash: it can happen if u push a monster from inside the base to outside
cegprakash: using wind
cegprakash: as monster can move in random direction
cegprakash: _NikJ
_NikJ: random s got me banging my head against the wall
_NikJ: thanks for the clarification
wlesavo: there is a known bug in referee, so the seed does not guarantee reproducability
struct: They dont do collision detection for games that end on same turn with lifes right?
struct: Like on csb
struct: The player who crosses end checkpoint first in the same turn wins
DomiKo: they dont
DomiKo: wild mana!
struct: :'(
struct: oh right
struct: I dont even track that
DomiKo: struct should I resubmit? or not?
struct: Same bot?
struct: Check win rate vs top 10 if its higher than 60% I would
struct: But if not I would not risk it
struct: I finally managed to add wind to wind
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630887038
struct: not much but soon I will be done :p
DomiKo: hmmmm nice idea
DomiKo: checking against top10 is great idea
struct: yeah since they give more points
struct: its worth the risk
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630889032 Turn 71 best defence I've seen blasterpoard
blasterpoard: shh
cegprakash: or it's a bug
cegprakash: I donno
wlesavo: damn clever thinking
wlesavo: that should be a nice pm, cant wait
struct: you submited too soon blasterpoard
struct: :)
Waffle3z: can only wind 8800 away in 2 turns if it's in the same direction from where the monster is, if it comes in from the side then if you try to wind it at the base it will be out of wind range on the next turn
cegprakash: not really Waffle3z
cegprakash: u can adjust ur wind so monster stays in vision
Waffle3z: yeah but now it's not going as far
cegprakash: how much distance do u get
cegprakash: only 6600?
Waffle3z: does the monster still move another 400 at the end of the turn after wind?
Waffle3z: "MOVE all monsters according to their current speed, unless they were pushed by a wind on this turn." does that mean if they were pushed by wind they won't move, or does it mean their movement won't be according to their current speed
DomiKo: no
cegprakash: Waffle3z check DM
ClockSort: waffle3z no, the monster doesn't take a normal move if it was pushed by wind on the same turn
IvesL: how come im timed out
struct: This is the closest I've written to production code in years
Darleanow: hey every1 :)
struct: Hi
Darleanow: waddup ?:)
gabecarter3: lets go fellas new programmer here
struct: not much, just doing the contest
DomiKo: just rethinking some life decision
Badoobicus: doing the "mad pod racing" challenge right now. does it usually take several hours to test your bot in the arena? while i was working on the Spring 2022 challenge last weekend, it was only taking like 10 minutes to run my bot through the arena
DomiKo: to submit or not to submit
MrAnderson: @Badoobicus it's the last day of a contest, all the servers are bogged down at the moment.
Badoobicus: @MrAnderson oh yeah that sounds reasonable, I should probably wait and try this out again next weekend
DustinNunyo: @Badoobicus Hey man, I'm doing the mad pod racing along with you. Nice bot! I'm very impressed by the fact that it's almost beat me a few times and it doesn't seem to ever use it's boost. lol
MrAnderson: Try practicing against another bot for a while... you can make progress, at least
MrAnderson: It won't update the leaderboard but you can work on improvements while you wait
DustinNunyo: @Badoobicus I actually used your bot to test mine against before my last few submissions. lol
Badoobicus: @DustinNunyo lol i havent programmed it to use the boost (yet). if i cant break out of wood with my current code though then i may need to add that
Badoobicus: people must be going crazy for the 2022 spring challenge though, my pod racing code has been running in the arena for like an hour and a half and its only 80% done
MrAnderson: There's 7000 players frantically submitting their code at once :)
DustinNunyo: @Badoobicus oh you are absolutely going to break wood man. We are going to bronze together! lol
HoriMiyamura: :D
HoriMiyamura: waiting forever
Smelty: ;D i got to bronze and then let the code do its thing
Badoobicus: @DustinNunyo the arena keeps pitting my bot against yours but after like 20 battles the outcome is still the same
HoriMiyamura: idk how to be in top 20 though
Meteor_Shower: What rank do you have to rank from silver to gold?
casmith789: above the boss
HoriMiyamura: ?
HoriMiyamura: legend boss is top 1
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/630922981 I drew a game with both at 1 hp... how
Link_jon: Hm. Lua highlighter is trying to convince me that '==' is used to assign variables, but only inside arrays.
Also.... uh. Congrats?? wut.
cegprakash: I have a huuuge bug
cegprakash: :(
cegprakash: and don't have much time left
Counterbalance: it's not blinking yet
cegprakash: I mean it's a bug on my attacker movement
cegprakash: so it's kind of crucial
PatrickMcGinnisII: last submit... see if i stay in top 300gold
dotnet007: anyone in c#?
cegprakash: this is ur first of ur last submits u mean PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: nah, i got stuff to do. ;)
Link_jon: i probably could use C# but i prefer lua
dotnet007: well what was the point of responding?
Link_jon: i dunno. i guess because i *could* use C#
Link_jon: ...huh yeah i agree... how strange is me.
dotnet007: backslash backlash could
dotnet007: lol
dotnet007: backslash asterisk could
Link_jon: Hmpf. do you wish for proof?
dotnet007: no I wish for help so I can learn this ish not foolishness
Link_jon: ohokay
GuillaumeHendriks: This website has nothing to do with knowing how to code, sadge.
Zyk0: What do you mean
GuillaumeHendriks: It more or less evaluates how much you know the code and how to use it, but in a real life environment, i.e an office, with an IDE, you do not need to know if an object is nullable, the IDE will tell you. The bigger thing to know is how to properly code, clean code, SOLID principles, etc.
Smelty: hmm
jzen: I would certainly make a distinction between "knowing how to code" and being able to write a program that adheres to the SOLID principles
stolyaroleh: intercontinental ballistic spider meta makes me sad
Meteor_Shower: How do I know where the boss is?
Wontonimo: wdym?
ClockSort: think they'll add more servers? I'm 45% after two hours, well ahead of boss, waiting to get out of my league
DaNinja: it takes 4 hours
yhyoxx: so we have time for 3 submits and contest is over haha
BrunoFelthes: 900 submits running now
BrunoFelthes: how many processors they have?
BrunoFelthes: it is sad to see this pour service and cant contribute to it... all contest the same issue, and nothing to address it...
Wontonimo: 8
Wontonimo: jk, i have no idea
Wontonimo: but I have to say, free is great.
cegprakash: in legend the initial submit can be super random.. same code 7/10 win and 2/10 win
cegprakash: making it difficult to know our change is good or bad
cegprakash: without spam submit
BrunoFelthes: and it will define your final position cegprakash, because it is very important at the final ranking
Wontonimo: use brutaltester
cegprakash: yeah sad thing
cegprakash: :(
cegprakash: I think this will be my last test
cegprakash: I lost patience waiting for submissions
mframbou: how do you know how many submits are running currently ?
ycsvenom: Wontonimo
do you know how i can start playing with OS using c++?
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2022/leaderboard/global?column=SCORE&value=INPROGRESS mframbou
Butanium: turn 107
Butanium: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/630981577
yamo: BrunoFelthes the final ranking is a rerun of legend. The actual ranking is not taken into account, isn't it ?
GlaceCoding: is it normal that some top30 has the same IA?
Butanium: why doesn't the wind work ?
mframbou: Thanks !
Butanium: on the enemy hero ?
Wontonimo: wdym ycsvenom ?
Butanium: wait
Butanium: wind is after
Butanium: move
Butanium: bruh
ycsvenom: like changing the behavior of program of windows for example wontonimo
Wontonimo: what? really Butanium ? oh, that sucks
Wontonimo: I don't have any experience with that ycsvenom
Butanium: yes Wontonimo I just checked the statement
Butanium: I hate how this game viewer is conter intuitive
cegprakash: the animation and debug mode helps tho Butanium
cegprakash: even I got confused initially
actualCoderTrevor: When you see the message about not reading all available input, is there a way to find out the first turn that you went out of sync on?
Icebxrg: Hey all, I'm a freshman in college, took a course in java and one in C++. Dont really have a preference for either, which would be better for me to learn through this website? Want to get into competitive programming at some point soon
Wontonimo: either
Link_jon: (Strange thought, why not both?)
Wontonimo: if you want to go deep into simulation and get to the top ranks in some of the technical multis, then C++ is the way to go
stolyaroleh: why not Rust?
ycsvenom: the evaluation process on the contest is really damn slow than before
Meteor_Shower: I was on the boss. When will I rank up ?
Link_jon: Just dont forget to practice the languages you know, otherwise you'll turn to rust with em.
Icebxrg: Ok thanks, appreciate the advice both of you.
Link_jon: Also, the competition stuffs has been running rather slowly so... who knows Meteor. Keep an eye on it :P
Meteor_Shower: sad
arrcpp: Is it possible to use Tensorflow in this game?
Link_jon: I dont think so (its not in the language list)
arrcpp: It is a library
arrcpp: If it was available you could use from different languages
struct: Some people implemented their own NNs frameworks here
struct: I dont think its easy though
cegprakash: time to order breakfast after a sleepless night
cegprakash: lol
Link_jon: lul
cegprakash: it's 6AM in India
Link_jon: About to go to bed over here... im on the other side of the puddle; in the US
Link_jon: ...sigh. Poor lua. amazingly helpful and simple string manipulation... but just barely not specific enough for what i need.
actualCoderTrevor: Hot damn, that's the first time I've beaten him! https://www.codingame.com/replay/630996636
Too bad I still lose most of my matches against him.
dot.nick: nice
actualCoderTrevor: Thanks :)
Smelty: rank 59....still waiting for sub to finish :(
cegprakash: is it a fair way to check win rate against our own bot against our own older bot to decide which one is better
Smelty: its fair
Smelty: although it is probably better to use a benchmark like the boss because your new bot might just happen to counter your old bot
cegprakash: how many games are good enough for fair benchmark
Link_jon: 25 should do i bet
Smelty: id say 3 but the more the better
Smelty: if you want to save time do less
Link_jon: albiet idk how long said games take. ^^
cegprakash: and what to do if a buggy bot has higher win rate
Smelty: also i'd recommend only submitting if your new bot is way better than the old one
Smelty: i'd test against other bots and if it works then sub while trying to figure out the bug
Link_jon: Yeya, smack bug. Alternitevly, look into making bug a feature if it is being particularly helpful
Smelty: yep
cegprakash: u mean like blasterpoard who throws wind on a shield and still win
Smelty: .....sure
Smelty: try to fix it but sure
cegprakash: it's 13-12 in favor of new fixed bot
Smelty: lol
cegprakash: against old bot
Smelty: interesting
Smelty: you can use standard deviation to figure out what margin of difference in terms of wins is good enough
Smelty: but i'd say a 16-9 is good
Smelty: im testing my new bot rn and its undefeated against old one :upside_down:
Smelty: 16 wins in 16 matches so i submit
struct: This game has more math than I even know existed
struct: too bad I dont know any
Smelty: xd
cegprakash: did u do fantastic bits struct
struct: I did sim
struct: But never bothered to code an AI for it
cegprakash: wait for blasterpoard's 500 if conditions postmortem
Smelty: lol
struct: check here cegprakash
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631027087
struct: its not pretty
struct: It doesnt know any spells
Smelty: oh my gawd
cegprakash: I have 185 if conditions
struct: But it knows the physics
Smelty: i have like 3 header ifs and 3 ifs inside
Smelty: each
cegprakash: I just did ctrl + F "if (" and I've 185 if conditions on my code
Smelty: lol
Smelty: lemme try
Smelty: i have 17
Link_jon: for some reason this reminds me of when i made switch() for Lua
Smelty: ohno
cegprakash: u need more ifs Smelty
Smelty: ok
cegprakash: more if means better ranking
Link_jon: Your running low on power. Need to smelt faster.
Smelty: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a25a48a8-adf5-447b-9d15-d2f7e8b6080a
Smelty: ....repeat
cegprakash: haha struct fantastic bits needed more math than this to be honest
cegprakash: with collisions and filipendo
struct: flipendo is easy
struct: is just apply force towards direction
cegprakash: not really struct
Smelty: lol
cegprakash: that's why u didn't reach gold/legend
Smelty: *calculus*
cegprakash: u can hit it on the wall
cegprakash: and it will rebound
struct: im legend there
cegprakash: oh
cegprakash: I'm just gold
cegprakash: :D
Smelty: LOl
cegprakash: but I had filipendo on wall thing
DomiKo: struct legend?
DomiKo: top10 incoming?
Smelty: ok my code was ranked 200 after like 20 battles
struct: i dont know
struct: I dont look at submit
Smelty: so i resubmitted same code
Smelty: and its 140 after 10 battles
cegprakash: what happen to eulerscheZahl
cegprakash: he was #3 yesterday and he's 90 now
struct: rng cegprakash
cegprakash: is he hiding
Smelty: idk
Smelty: rng
struct: He was my only chance to get a shirt
cegprakash: rng?
Smelty: lol
Smelty: random number generators
Smelty: the spawn of the monsters can easily determine the victor in these top matches
cegprakash: top players know how to handle different spawns
struct: DomiKo I just copied some strategy I saw
struct: but mine doesnt even work that well
struct: x
Smelty: also im not even using shield rn
cegprakash: plebs like me don't even care when they spawn
Smelty: xd
DomiKo: Many of us did that ;)
Smelty: one of mine just goes off on an adventure slaughtering the enemies they see
DomiKo: If it work. It work
cegprakash: if u see blaster he knows when and where he should be
Smelty: if it doesnt try another
cegprakash: and when and where monster will spawn
Smelty: oh yea i clicked on his profile to see past matches and in the first one he leaked 3 monsters
Smelty: so apparently wild mana is more important than lives
struct: I just hope I get legend on this bumit
struct: submit*
struct: So I dont ever need to look at this game again
cegprakash: lol struct
Smelty: have fun with that
cegprakash: many bots like u are stuck at 500ish right now good luck beating them and climbing the ladder struct
struct: There is no luck here
struct: Just wait until hiders submit
struct: they will proove that
cegprakash: u mean illedan and eulerscheZahl struct
cegprakash: is there anyone who is using similar strategy like blaster in top 30
cegprakash: I want blasterpoard to win
cegprakash: he chose his unique way which others hate and sticked to it :D
Smelty: ye
cegprakash: so how many if statements do u have struct
cegprakash: lets talk about if statements
struct: no idea
Noyotens: how to calculate distance needed to kill a spider before he reaches a point
cegprakash: loop all the spider positions every turn
cegprakash: see if u can reach spider position in the same no. of turns
cegprakash: choose the point with lowest turns
Link_jon: Thats a bit... difficult on the cpu, no?
cegprakash: nope Link_jon
cegprakash: I loop 100 turns for 2 monsters
cegprakash: 2 monsters that are close to the base
cegprakash: I don't care about other monsters
Link_jon: Well. i was just thinking it would be more mobs around. like 30 for some reason.
cegprakash: don't care about other monsters
cegprakash: danger levels
cegprakash: in 100 turns any monsters gets outside the board coz 100x300 is 30000
cegprakash: and it's greater than diameter of the board
cegprakash: so it's pretty easy to find if we can reach that monster
cegprakash: and the shortest path to the monster
Link_jon: snoice
struct: Im about to lose my mind
DomiKo: me too, me too
Link_jon: ?
44AA44: Is it possible to pass on a suggestion to the devs?
44AA44: It would be nice if I could change the time limit of a private clash
Smelty: reee in 6th
cegprakash: An error occurred (#407): "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time.".
Smelty: fffs
HoriMiyamura: Do you guys know an algorithm to find the point to attack monster?
cegprakash: a for loop into future positions HoriMiyamura
cegprakash: monster goes in straight line
cegprakash: hero goes where u want to move
HoriMiyamura: we can predict monster
HoriMiyamura: I still don't figure how
cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6dd1ecc2-9538-4304-b5b2-9c02f48d9b5d
cegprakash: this is what I use HoriMiyamura
HoriMiyamura: I mean I want to find a destination that can farm most monsters
cegprakash: I don't have that
cegprakash: this is only for intercepting a monster
HoriMiyamura: with constraint that I would cover the shortest monster as well
HoriMiyamura: ok, thanks
HoriMiyamura: let me think
struct: YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Link_jon: yee?
struct: Im done
HoriMiyamura: ?
struct: its over
struct: the pain
HoriMiyamura: Lengend?
struct: I reached legend
Link_jon: mucho congrats!
struct: on last match
struct: I fought the boss
HoriMiyamura: oh
struct: and won
struct: ahahahah
struct: it was needed
Smelty: lol
Smelty: pro struct
cegprakash: gold to direct win struct
cegprakash: go for it
HoriMiyamura: Tshirt is going for struct :D
struct: no lol
actualCoderTrevor: Nice job struct
struct: thanks
struct: I already have my postmortem ready
Wontonimo: congrats struct !
SashaNukem: congrats!
struct: "This contest made me never want to write an if statement again."
struct: Thanks every1
cegprakash: how many if u have struct
Smelty: lol
struct: too many
cegprakash: that's not a number
cegprakash: but i told u
cegprakash: more ifs means better rank
Wontonimo: I really wanted to make an NN for this contest, but no time
actualCoderTrevor: I made most of one but had to abandon it for the same reason.
struct: if on the entire code?
struct: 79
JohnyDaison: dude, me 78, I'm missing one somewhere then...
Smelty: :(( ranked 2nd but its below boss
HoriMiyamura: struct , do you know a ways to a destination that can farm most monsters, with constraint that it will cover a specific monster?
struct: I dont do any of that tbh
struct: I just look for closest threat early and closest mobs
struct: and then I move 2 units too attack
struct: I always attack 2 units at a time if its possible
HoriMiyamura: ...
HoriMiyamura: I do that too, but I think we can improve on this
HoriMiyamura: this will make the farm most effective
BFB123: penis are gay
struct: BFB123 chill
SuperAstrid: Oups
An error occurred (#407): "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time.".
SuperAstrid: ????
Smelty: i forgor to prioritize closer enemies :skull:
BFB123: Smelty you silly goose
Smelty: :( im ranked 2nd in my league
Smelty: below boss
BFB123: Wut is a leage lmao I only do clash of code
Smelty: lol
cegprakash: bowwowforeach https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/631076164 timed out
actualCoderTrevor: My heroes have a bad habit of attacking enemies in the opponent's base
BFB123: thats kinda gay ngl
Smelty: kalm down
BFB123: Ok
BFB123: Sorry
BFB123: I ahd too much beerrs
cegprakash: I lose 9-1 to highjump
Smelty: F
struct: come back when you are sober bfb
SuperAstrid: Oups
An error occurred (#407): "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time.".
SuperAstrid: What do I do now?
SuperAstrid: Please help
44AA44: Go outside? Take a walk? Idk
cegprakash: take a coffee break SuperAstrid
actualCoderTrevor: You can fire up brutaltester if you're desperate. Otherwise you just have to wait.
Smelty: lol
SashaNukem: how long do you have to wait?
struct: it gets worse every time it shows up
struct: so first time is not bad
struct: but after it gets worse
Smelty: lo
struct: and worse
SashaNukem: the horror
SashaNukem: :D
Wontonimo: yeah, I got to Gold
SashaNukem: congrats! :)
Smelty: nice!
JohnyDaison: congrats!
Smelty: im stuck at 2 places behind boss
Dapps: wow I just watched Nanaeda's bot. very impressive
HoriMiyamura: I don't know how to continue improve my bot
Wontonimo: and another if
SuperAstrid: oh no
HoriMiyamura: another if make it dummier
Dapps: take out an else
actualCoderTrevor: Nice Wontonimo
SuperAstrid: its happening again
cegprakash: omg Nanaeda
cegprakash: some sick defence + late game play
Smelty: ikr
struct: domiko resubmiting from rank 19?
struct: o.o
cegprakash: Nanaeda defense strategy: You shall not pass!!!!
Smelty: lol
Smelty: *10s later* ok you can pass
Dapps: cegprakash yeah it's really crazy to watch
Dapps: even all the debug info... he has more states than i have LOC
cegprakash: how he gets mana using so much wind is still a miracle to me
cegprakash: he has one farmer for 100 turns I think
cegprakash: 1 farmer and 2 defenders
cegprakash: farmer becomes attacker in late game
HoriMiyamura: he farm quite effective
Smelty: lol
Dapps: yeah calculating the best path where they intersect
Smelty: ye
Waffle3z: is resubmitting bad? the last couple times I've submitted I ended up in one place and then like 12 hours later went up 300 places
Wontonimo: i think it depends on the league
cegprakash: just when about to lost hope and ditch my version I get 10 back to back wins
Wontonimo: in silver so many people made their bot overfit the boss, so if you got close to the boss
cegprakash: seriously?
Wontonimo: then those people overfitting will probably lose to you and push you up
Smelty: nooo im first but below boss
Wontonimo: you'll get pushed ... just wait a little
Wontonimo: don'e resubmit
Wontonimo: happened to me
Wontonimo: give it 10 min Smelty
Smelty: oki
Smelty: oh im second now
Smelty: im 0.05 away rip
struct: onlçy 258 computing
struct: damn
Smelty: hmm
Wontonimo: does't look like anyone else is around you to push you ;(
Smelty: :sob:
struct: tbh I was a bit lucky to pass gold
Lysk: it feels like JameX2 is pushing the boss down but not players, such a kind behavio
Lysk: JamesX2 you're there?
actualCoderTrevor: Is it possible to reach legend after the contest is over?
actualCoderTrevor: Not that I think I would, I'm just curious
struct: yes
struct: I think so
struct: Usually it becomes a multiplayer
actualCoderTrevor: Oh cool maybe in a few months I'll have a shot
cegprakash: I don't trust the leaderboard it can easily change +/- 50
struct: ofc
Waffle3z: submitting at 197, let's see how far I drop
struct: It depends on the players you battle
struct: you might have good win rate vs some but bad vs other
HoriMiyamura: it also depend on random factor
HoriMiyamura: of the game
Waffle3z: when we had 2000 computing bots in silver, when one battle was computed, was it counted toward both players' progress? or just one of them, and the other player would have to repeat the battle for it to count towards their progress
Wontonimo: both players are adjusted
Waffle3z: yeah but does it count towards the battle progress of both players
Wontonimo: but it only counts towards the total battles of 1 player
Waffle3z: yeah that's dumb
Wontonimo: yeah
Waffle3z: could have had almost half as many battles and finished in 6 hours instead of 12
MAWAAW: I lose 42.75% of battles in gold league
Smelty: f
Tuo: quick survey, hero is killing a spider in base and there is a enemy hero. The defender should be:
a) close to enemy
b) far from
c) there are more important things
Lysk: depends if attacker is at the right distance to wind it into the center and how fast you can kill it
Wontonimo: d) taking care of the spider
Tuo: hero can do many things at once :)
Wontonimo: that's it for me. Good night and good luck
skagator: Damn I'm not sure I'm going to beat the Bronze boss
cegprakash: skagator appreciate ur spirit
david_lover: i can't find a solution to easy angle, from what i can tell you need to go WSW inorder to reach it but you can't do that. the next one is SW but that doesn't go far enough into the left. can anyone help me?
david_lover: btw i mean power of thor ep 1
cegprakash: lol the same bot that was in rank 30-50 12 hrs back is not even at rank 100 now
cegprakash: that's how bad the leaderboard got screwed up in legend
cegprakash: except for top 30 legend I don't think anyone has a solid win rate against anyone.. in 200 ranks range.. everyone are like 50-50
david_lover: can anyone help me with my coding problem?
Kellthazar: what is your problem?
david_lover: its in the "power of thor - episode 1" activity. once you get to easy angle i find it impossible to get it to go in the right direction. the direction is WSW but you cant go that difrection you can only go SW as the code doesnt let you do that. me and my friend are really stuck.
ItsNotABug: Oof, got some close competition at the top
Dapps: oh wow submit is so fast
Dapps: 9min 29%
cegprakash: may be admins woke up Dapps
Dapps: or everyone else went to sleep :D
cegprakash: 178 results found for «Score - Computing»
cegprakash: 950+ became 178
struct: I wonder if I should try a bit more
struct: or just stop
struct: I might be able to improve a bit in 4 ours
struct: hours*
DomiKo: I should paste the meme with miner
struct: But I already found the diamonds
struct: Should I dig for more
struct: ?
DomiKo: even more diamonds?
DomiKo: ehhh. There are already birds outside
struct: I cant sleep anyways
struct: I took too much caffeine
DomiKo: I took zero
DomiKo: maybe that's the problem
struct: top 20 should be safe
DomiKo: idk
struct: for you
DomiKo: I played like 20 games with top15-20
struct: I doubt you will lose 1.0 points in recalc
DomiKo: if random will be on my side then no
Nemisun: Im a network Engineer trying to learn how to code. This is no joke.
Nemisun: Any advice?
DomiKo: pick any yt tutorial
DomiKo: that should be enough to start
DomiKo: gn everybody
Wontonimo: start with "The coding train"
Wontonimo: gn DomiKo
struct: gn DomiKo
Nemisun: Yea, I've been on a few but I chose to go with freecodecamp
Nemisun: Basically learning Python on there
Nemisun: Is the "coding train" on here?
Wontonimo: it's a youtuber
Wontonimo: javascript
struct: Nemisun this site requires a bit of previous knowledge
struct: but not much
Wontonimo: whatever you decided to do, incorporate going back and redoing previous simple exercises and try to do them perfectly without looking at hints or googling anything
Wontonimo: mastery of the basics and memorization of syntax is a must
Smelty: :0
ItsNotABug: Python ranking top makes me happy. Especially knowing how unhappy it makes cpp people :D
Smelty: lol
ItsNotABug: Good job Djak. Looking forward to write up
Nemisun: Ah, yea it seems so. I dont mind. Eventually I'll get acquainted. Atm Im planning on memorizing Syntaxes as well. I've found redoing the same thing over and over to be pretty helpful.
Miki09: Hi guys
Smelty: nice!
Smelty: hi
Miki09: I got up 5:45 am to get to legend...
Wontonimo: you got 4 hours left
Miki09: I know
ItsNotABug: And no chance of actually running your bot in arena before the end :D
Miki09: lol
ItsNotABug: Just write perfect code and no problem
Miki09: Yeah that sounds easy :-)
skagator: lmao somehow I made it into silver
skagator: mission accomplished for me XD
Wontonimo: if you do it right, and don't **** it up, it works, it just works
eulerscheZahl: struct in legend. congrats
actualCoderTrevor: don't **** it up? Dang I knew I was doing something wrong
struct: thanks euler
Miki09: Imma try to copy boss 5 strategy
Miki09: The attacker is effective
actualCoderTrevor: The code I've updated in the past few hours is subjectively better but objectively worse.
yhyoxx: yo, triple attackers
yhyoxx: shame on you
yhyoxx: kidding
cegprakash: Dapps u are wrecking me
struct: Ok it's time for my last push
yhyoxx: congrats struct
struct: thanks yhyoxx
ClockSort: yeah, nice job struct.
struct: thanks clock sort
ClockSort: you overcame human nature to arrive in Legend :D
struct: lol
Miki09: https://www.codingame.com/replay/631185773 Boss has ERROR????
Wontonimo: yup
eulerscheZahl: bosses are just players too
Wontonimo: it's just another player
Miki09: oh ok
struct: My bot has no errors
cegprakash: said no one ever ^
Miki09: My bot sucks but it has not got errors :-)
struct: ok Im going to minimize chat, time to try a last thing
struct: Will need to try math for it
Wontonimo: :O
cegprakash: do a ctrl+F after u play a game on IDE and search for "{username} failed"
cegprakash: see how many shields u have wasted -_- thank me later
JohnyDaison: If I submit shortly before the time runs out, will there be some time where we cannon submit but calculation continue to stabilize ranks?
Wontonimo: yes
JohnyDaison: ok
Wontonimo: the cutoff is for submit. Then all calculations continue
struct: cegprakash I dont even need to do that
struct: The answer is 0
struct: I dont use shield
eulerscheZahl: all pendings submits will finish. thentop100 with get extra battles to stabilize
struct: ok forget math
struct: Im just going to brute force it
cegprakash: math can't be forgotten
struct: Maybe you are right
struct: I just dont know it
jacek: still have ptsd from math eh?
eulerscheZahl: the p stands for pi?
struct: jacek I will have a new ptsd soon
struct: I have no idea if thats a math joke euler
Fubuchi: Is legend recomputed when the game end?
struct: first 100
struct: but its not a brand new submit
struct: you keep your current points
Tuo: quick question: if i control a monster that will step in my base next turn, will it walk out?
