mdaw: i pushed him ;)
Phantomghoul: how do you debug?
eulerscheZahl: with an offline IDE
Phantomghoul: in clash of code
eulerscheZahl: stderr
Phantomghoul: with java....
eulerscheZahl: System.err.println()
NinjaDoggy: eulerscheZahl what's plan for this contest?
eulerscheZahl: not sure
NinjaDoggy: is it fun?
eulerscheZahl: i'm working on something but motivation isn't too hugh
NinjaDoggy: :(
eulerscheZahl: i don't like the heuristic nature of the game
NinjaDoggy: rip... DUCT not good here?
eulerscheZahl: don't know, never used that particular algo
jacek: no smitsimax either?
jacek: well me too ~
NinjaDoggy: I'm thinking about a smitsi, duct combo
NinjaDoggy: but lacking motivation hard :(
NinjaDoggy: still haven't even finished sim lmao
jacek: :upside_down:
ClockSort: NinjaDoggy I've been trying DUCT all week, it's not easy on this one
ClockSort: I tried DUCT with all 6 agents selecting their moves separately... but since you share mana and wind stacks, you don't find the best moves
ClockSort: also, MCTS doesn't do well when you need a specific sequence of moves to win (i.e. 5 specific moves in a row to protect base)
ClockSort: rollouts don't find long sequences very well.
ClockSort: this contest is remarkably good for heuristics vs search... much better than 2021 Spring
eulerscheZahl: is that a good thing?
jacek: hm? people were doing good in 2021
jacek: with heuristic as well
eulerscheZahl: my search is somewhat working now (attacker only, defense still heuristic)
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/628985966
eulerscheZahl: i still don' track units in fog, which makes it harder to search (i forget my future plans and can't find them anymore)
eulerscheZahl: and it's slow
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/628986910
Quidome: finally gold, with a defense only bot :)
Quidome: pfff
NinjaDoggy: ClockSort Hm... makes sense. For the first point that's why i'm thinkikng of combining Smitsimax with DUCT :P, but for the second one, won't it just avoid states where it's necessary to find the exact sequence?
NinjaDoggy: or does FOG ruin that part
BenjaminUrquhart: I forgot I had cg sync until now
VizGhar: hmm 1st in gold
eulerscheZahl: but not legend yet?
eulerscheZahl: you will make it, ranking fluctuation is high enough
Noyotens: why my IDE not show me errors
VizGhar: maybe... but my bot is still missing some key parts
VizGhar: (dont even watch replays, you will get upset :D)
VizGhar: I'm master mana earner and using that wind train (all heuristic) but not doing that "preparation" move...
BenjaminUrquhart: with 2 days left, finally got around to some form of attacking https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629018888
BenjaminUrquhart: hopefully good enough for now
BenjaminUrquhart: submits being a pain as usual so I won't get to see where it landed for the next 3 hours
BenjaminUrquhart: oh hey found a bug lol
BenjaminUrquhart: fixed
FlyingPencilCaseAndHisDog_50cc: finally I got the right answer :)
FlyingPencilCaseAndHisDog_50cc: :joy:
hiamkaito: BenjaminUrquhart how to display status like your
jacek: share replay
jacek: add " message" to your output
hiamkaito: how to do it bro, i use C#
hiamkaito: oh thanks jacek, i made it :blush:
jacek: :tada:
Lich3243: thank :)
Lich3243: he chung
Lich3243: t ne
Lich3243: :))
500plus: Are there any tasks that are mainly based on mathematics?
Brawler_zx: yes homeworj
Brawler_zx: *homework
500plus: hate homeworks
therealbeef: puzzles and multis have tags; you could look for puzzles with math related
500plus: thx
jacek: :scream:
Brawler_zx: Now coddingame also tells me to get a job lol
geppoz: :D
geppoz: and if you hover on it, you get: "don't fool around here mate, get a job"
eulerscheZahl: try projecteuler.net if you like math
MindController: Wtf
MindController: Just woke up and im 8?
jacek: sweet childhood eh
eulerscheZahl: go to bed again and see where this is going
MindController: How am I 8th
MindController: When my bot play like this
MindController: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629037127
kovi: interesting rockpaperscissors effect on leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: as always when the heuristic is too strong
eulerscheZahl: reminds me a bit of BotG
ItsNotABug: lol, your bot really decided not to take the easy win there, and kill the spider in their base with no defenders
burnpanck: am still paralized - I just found that my re-write of the last few days is rejected due to too long compile-times; it's just ~3.5s on my machine!
jacek: kotlin?
eulerscheZahl: C++
eulerscheZahl: massive use of templates?
eulerscheZahl: how do you slow down a g++? :thinking:
therealbeef: with templates it's not that hard, but template meta programming doesn't seem so suitable for this kind of game
burnpanck: it's templates
eulerscheZahl: hah!
Westicles: maybe clang++ is faster?
jordonez: is it better 1ms turn than a 49 ms one? or is it the same meanwhile you are under 50?
eulerscheZahl: i want to submit my new bot but i'm scared that my current rank is better than it should be and i can't climb anymore
burnpanck: I programmed an NN-driven MCTS search, where there are 6 different "towers" to drive the search. That kind of thing is best done with templates.
eulerscheZahl: doesn't matter jordonez
burnpanck: It's not the runtime, it is the duration of the compilation - the Arena just kills the compiler.
jordonez: thanks
eulerscheZahl: exceed the 50ms in a single turn and you are out
jordonez: ok
eulerscheZahl: that sounds really complex burnpanck. if you somehow get it working to play well, i'm heavily impressed
eulerscheZahl: and inoryy will give you a reference if you want to apply at DeepMind
jacek: not intersted unless they work on bioengineering certain creatures
eulerscheZahl: reminder: codejam round 1C is starting in less than 1 hour
burnpanck: thanks for the reminder! after my fiasco here, I'm much more inclined to compete there :-)
jacek: its CG fiasco they cant compile your code ~
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Westicles: would templates compile faster with -std=c++20 flag?
burnpanck: maybe not the templates themselves, but there would be less template instantiations needed mainly due to Concepts
Westicles: well, you could try it
burnpanck: I can't set flags in the Arena, there is no #pragma for that
Westicles: run it from bash
burnpanck: but what's the point, I have no trouble compiling my bot locally. I want to let compete in the arena, and for that I have simply no path here.
Westicles: you can run bash in the arena
burnpanck: now that is an interesting thought
jacek: is this possible for contests?
eulerscheZahl: technically possible: sure. but might get you disqualified
Westicles: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/20949c31-e9c6-4ffa-ae74-e5eab71fbf78
burnpanck: it's probably cheating on the "language choice" aspect
eulerscheZahl: anything that looks like obfuscation will get you disqualfied. i don't know where exactly they draw the line
burnpanck: I guess the other problem with that approach is that then, I would have to get the compilation time down to the 1s of the first move time limit.
eulerscheZahl: rule was introduced because of https://github.com/Agade09/CG-Send-Binary
eulerscheZahl: compressing your NN weights is ok, as long as the rest of the code is readable
eulerscheZahl: https://forum.codingame.com/t/new-contests-rule/2895/9
burnpanck: yeah, anyway, I would have to re-write my code utilising the C++20 goodness, and thats too much work given the uncertainty if it will help AND be accepted.
therealbeef: for my UTTC bot i started with heavy template use for state eval, but it took 2 mins to compile even locally. in the end i still kept some of it (moving some of the compile time calc to runtime calc) to stay in the 10s compile limit, and it does give speed benefits
Nik05: morning
putibuzu: @burnpanck could you elaborate what you mean with "towers" in your search? sounds interesting :)
burnpanck: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fa2e8528-076f-4e6a-9e8a-7bd6ec623892
burnpanck: each tower learns to characterise different aspects of the game: own heroes, mobs, pairing of the two, etc...
burnpanck: I.e. the input features to the hero tower are "distance to the base", "number of mobs in wind range",..., and the outputs are "move towards enemy base", "self-shield", ...
therealbeef: ah, like branches in the NN?
burnpanck: the input features to the mob-hero pairing are "time needed to intercept", "is within control range", and the outputs "move toward that mob", "control that mob".
jacek: do you use unicode encoding
burnpanck: exactly, like branches in the NN; similar to the typical towers in deep learning, each of those branch stacks vertically in parallel layers - between each layers, there are weak bridges leaking information
burnpanck: between the towers I mean; allowing the "hero" tower to take into account aggregated summaries over all pairings from the "mob-hero" tower.
_NikJ: 5th boss is random, any way to make it "replay in same conditions"?
DomiKo: nope
DomiKo: press that button many times
jacek: hack into its rng
_NikJ: Can't beat this mfker
_NikJ: all out of ideas
yhyoxx: try to copy a strategy from legends
yhyoxx: look at the games from global leaderboard
MindController: _NikJ i would reccomend trying to do 2 defenders 1 attacker
MindController: it works like a charm against the boss
_NikJ: I am, MindController
MindController: Ur attacker
MindController: Goes to attack very late
MindController: Try with earlier attacking
_NikJ: I use 200 for mana thres, after that I start attacking
_NikJ: though whenever I tried to make it smaller, I'd end up ranking worse
MindController: I would reccomend checking out my games
MindController: My strat is insanely simple to code
MindController: And working quite well
MindController: I try to use minimal amount of spells
MindController: 2 defend
MindController: and 1 attacks very early
eulerscheZahl: wow, your resubmit is top10 again. not a fluke
MindController: Did a few changes
eulerscheZahl: i completely rewired my attacker, 40 ranks lower
MindController: Did like 3 changes
MindController: If only using 1 change
MindController: Im 30 ranks lower
MindController: If combining them all
MindController: Well
MindController: This is the result
yhyoxx: new strat, i win against boss, lose against my old bot..
yhyoxx: mana issues
Nerchio: rip eulerscheZahl :(
TobiasA: damn I see a lot of people were hiding their bots
yhyoxx: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: i hide mine so well that even I don't know where it is
TobiasA: lol
MindController: https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F002%2F244%2F642%2Fa5f.jpg
MindController: eulerscheZahl dont give up
eulerscheZahl: the upper one will soon dig downwards and fall on the head of the other
eulerscheZahl: at least that's how digging works in lemmings
putibuzu: @burnpanck awesome thank you :) good luck :)
aCat: this game is totl=al lottery
aCat: rock paper scissors
aCat: and metachanges and faster and faster attacks
Dapps: its true
Dapps: don't really see longer games at legend
HoriMiyamura: 1d 21h
HoriMiyamura: Hope can be legend
yhyoxx: me too ;-;
HoriMiyamura: I am around ~190 in gold
HoriMiyamura: ...
yhyoxx: i dont think im gonna make it by looking at the leaderboard the whole time it's calculating
yhyoxx: pretty close
yhyoxx: i just got around 400
TichHuyen: when I update it got lower score :*
IvesL: i used my reverted old code 1week ago which cant even beat silver boss, reached top 1000 yesterday
IvesL: i dont understand the calculation
TichHuyen: I would say silver boss is strong
TichHuyen: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
IvesL: i cant beat anyone in gold with that code, but my rank keep rising
TichHuyen: haha
IvesL: i have no idea
yhyoxx: you're winning the latest battles tho ?
IvesL: i havent submitted since then
IvesL: was around 1900-2200 globally, then yesterday suddenly popped a message, congrats to gold, then it keeps rising
TichHuyen: I took a few days to improve my bot and it go from 200 to 800 :(
yhyoxx: :(
TichHuyen: what is going on here........
yhyoxx: it happens
yhyoxx: the goal is not to beat the boss
jacek: and do the opposite
jacek: [solved]
yhyoxx: but beat more people in the league than the boss
IvesL: that version is an experimenting bot, if you check out my games, 1 of them is likely to be idle at some point
TichHuyen: sometimes I wind and the mod still there?
TichHuyen: does anyone face the same issue?
IvesL: got replay?
IvesL: did you wind it to the edge?
HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629159002
HoriMiyamura: turn 63,64...
HoriMiyamura: yes, it is the edge
IvesL: yes it will stuck
IvesL: cant blow it out of map
geppoz: hero y<9000, wind y=9000 => you are pushing it towards wall
geppoz: I suppose you should wind at same y of the hero at least
Tuo: you are proply calculating the direction wrong, doing wind from hero perpective
Tuo: using vector hero->destination
HoriMiyamura: thanks, I see that
skymount: /me
HoriMiyamura: so it is a bug in my code :D
jacek: Automaton2000 where is your hero
Automaton2000: it's not like you can do it offline
avdg: hmm now I'm back, still at 46th in silver (which is better than being around 700)
HoriMiyamura: I just fix it
avdg: need to implement more passive defends I guess
mesu7: hi
jacek: :upside_down:
mesu7: i am trying to solve rotating arrows problem
mesu7: but my code couldn't pass the 3rd test case
mesu7: and i don't know why
5DN1L: Do you mean the test case "Overflow" or "Validator 3"?
mesu7: yes
5DN1L: No, I'm asking you which one?
mesu7: Overflow
5DN1L: ok. What's your current code logic
mesu7: can i paste my code here xd
HoriMiyamura: yes
HoriMiyamura: it will go to a basepin actually
5DN1L: yes if you want to, though it may help if you can explain your code logic too haha
HoriMiyamura: See photos and price history of this 3 bed, 2 bath, 1241 Sq. Ft. recently sold home located at 17630 Maple Ave, Country Club Hills, IL 60478 that was sold ...
HoriMiyamura: why it doesn't convert my text to a link?
5DN1L: not long enough or not enough lines
5DN1L: try 5 lines
HoriMiyamura: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1cab7f60-e04c-4953-8fb9-963796fa852e
HoriMiyamura: :D
mesu7: when i paste my code it says This command does not exist.
5DN1L: Does your code start with /?
mesu7: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/eab8e63e-2d58-4a28-ae6c-962d0a4af014
5DN1L: ok i can see your code now
5DN1L: Hmmm your code passes Overflow
5DN1L: your code doesn't pass Validator 3
5DN1L: You can look up the name of the case you fail
mesu7: from where
5DN1L: by clicking RESULTS and then DETAILS
5DN1L: on the left
5DN1L: The error I see is:
5DN1L: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading '0') at Answer.js. on line 24
5DN1L: There's only one arrow in the whole grid in Validator 3
5DN1L: Maybe your code doesn't handle that correctly
mesu7: yes i see the bug in my code :D
5DN1L: great!
mesu7: thank youu
5DN1L: yw
Lumideus: =
cegprakash: how to defend when 2 monsters are far away from base and enemy sneaks into my base
cegprakash: my heroes often go out to defend so far ending my base unguarded
cegprakash: this just costs sooo soo many games
ItsNotABug: Set max distance from base for defenders, or keep a defender with distance of known enemy?
ItsNotABug: 2 of many options
Zyk0: Or attack better than opponent if you don't want to change your farming/def behaviour
yhyoxx: maybe u should never be too far from base
geppoz: question: if a monster has 1 health, and 3 heroes in range, they all get mana?
ItsNotABug: yes
blasterpoard: geppoz yes
ItsNotABug: monsters give mana even if health goes sub zero
geppoz: well so i think i have to rewrite all :D
geppoz: if i see 2 monster and i have 2 heroes
geppoz: better go with both on one monster, then on other monster
geppoz: instead of split :D
geppoz: in this way I would get double mana
geppoz: I mean in first turns, when few monsters, in farm phase
geppoz: (well not double mana, but some more)
avdg: hmm 12 hours after submit, my bot went from 46 to 26 in about an hour
ItsNotABug: yes and no. They will only get "double" on last hit, and only if health drops under 0.
avdg: srr too excited for a bit
ItsNotABug: Otherwise they will just kill spider quicker, and then be left not hitting anything
geppoz: right
therealbeef: 20 ppl above you might have promoted, avdg
avdg: can be :-)
avdg: also I won a few of the latest matches
avdg: meanwhile I have to solve another math problem that I guess will help defense a bit
avdg: my defense was good, but its proven to be done too costly now
avdg: yesterday evening I solved a quite similar math problem at it helped my bot a lot it seems
avdg: saved a bit of mana through less mispredictions
ItsNotABug: To get high in gold you only need very basic defence. Hit stuff to get mana, and kick stuff out of base if its a risk of taking a life. Then focus more on attack imo
avdg: my bot is doing that already, but it need higher precision
avdg: or maybe top silver is a bit hard :p
ItsNotABug: My bot to get into gold was stupid as :D Super basic defence with no state awareness. Then send a bot up to enemy and do some simple attack work
yhyoxx: what kind of math problems are u solving ?
ItsNotABug: Working on re-writing the whole thing atm to think a bit more :D
avdg: geometry
yhyoxx: im quite interested in intercepting spiders where they're heading
yhyoxx: couldnt figure out a way yet
jordonez: my bot is around gold 50th with just a huge amount of "if" but i don't know how to improve it to reach legend
avdg: well you have to estimate where they are going
yhyoxx: not that good with geometry
cegprakash: yhyoxx I use for loop for that
cegprakash: coz I bad in math
avdg: hmm I've solved that problem in the previous weekend
blasterpoard: yhyoxx just calculate spider's position on future turns in a loop and check whether you can get there within that number of turns
ItsNotABug: track unseen spiders, keep adding vx, vy each turn until you either should have seen it, or it should be off the map. Not a heap of geometry involved
blasterpoard: don't bother with any geometry
avdg: it could then already tracked invisible monsters too
blasterpoard: just simple distance checks
yhyoxx: nice
avdg: (and I'm still silver :D)
yhyoxx: thanks
jordonez: how can you track unseen spiders!?
avdg: memory
avdg: and math
jordonez: but if you dont have seen them, how do you know they even exist?
Uljahn: symmetry
yhyoxx: u cant then
ItsNotABug: You have to have seen them once to know position and "un-affected" route. But other option is not to :D
yhyoxx: or that
avdg: though my math wasn't perfect
jordonez: ah ok
avdg: I solved the problem part I couldn't solve with brute force math
avdg: so it might do up to around 20 guesses, but they are relative rarely needed
tugrul512bit: what problem?
tugrul512bit: I like brute force
tugrul512bit: link pls
avdg: no
avdg: it's geometry problems, and the loops mostly involve when a bot think it's possible when it isn't
tugrul512bit: was performance problem with brute force?
avdg: my bot does mostly all the work in a fraction of a ms
avdg: and the bruteforce was I believe a multiply and compare
avdg: which is basically almost the fast thing a cpu can do (besides adds and binary shifts/rotation/etc)
avdg: well all that matters is the problesm you want to solve and see if you have enough data and resources to get there
cegprakash: if only I had a bot as strong as I've now 2 days back I would have been chilling in legend league right now.. more the time more harder for climbing the ladder as everyone are getting stronger
MindController: cegprakash but the boss is not getting stronger
MindController: so isnt climbing to legend the same?
cegprakash: it isn't
avdg: meh, the bot behaves sometimes like a traffic jam
avdg: it can block very smart bots that are not capable to beat the ai
cegprakash: coz climbing the ladder against 10 different strategies is harder than just beating the boss
cegprakash: MindController
blasterpoard: it gets easier with time, because people are optimizing against boss and pushign its rating lower than it should be
avdg: or sometimes good bots that are not high enough to fight the boss
cegprakash: boss is now 30+
cegprakash: he was in 28.5
MindController: cegprakash boss was always 30+
blasterpoard: the boss is #55 in legend, that tells you how many people already got to legend even though they don't really belong there
cegprakash: ppl pushed the boss up
MindController: they didnt
cegprakash: meaning ppl don
MindController: the day legend came out
cegprakash: don't care about beating the boss much
MindController: boss was 29.5
MindController: It is way easier to climb now
MindController: Cause u only have to optimize against boss
MindController: if u beat boss, u beat 90% of gold
avdg: the ratings of both leagues are disconnected I guess
avdg: the score only represents a relative number to everyone in the same group
MindController: There is no way
MindController: If u have >60% wr against boss, that u cant get out of gold
avdg: wr?
MindController: winrate
avdg: you still have to float on top of the other ai's
avdg: but I can't say if gold is hard/easier than top silver
MindController: cegprakash only win 1 out of 5 fights against the boss
MindController: there is no wonder he cant get out of gold
MindController: without winning consistently against boss
avdg: hmm just checked my brute force again, it has a Math.sqrt in it :p
avdg: they are still in even after I use a lot of alternative methods where possible
avdg: I only use 5 sqrts but I have added some more math stuff so I can get rid of 1
peerdb: @Eaglewind make sure to select Codam as your school also in the challenge please and thank you
HoriMiyamura: control can only force 1 turn, is that correct?
HoriMiyamura: this mean we only control the hero 1 move?
geppoz: y
HoriMiyamura: thanks
geppoz: care that is the next one, not the current
geppoz: means: he will do the move he output when you output your control, then your control is the move in the next turn
HoriMiyamura: thanks
HoriMiyamura: Hope I can move to legend with update on controll
VizGhar: 0.01 from gold boss... I wont make my fixes before reaching legend
barbora: :clap:
Astrobytes: nice one VizGhar!
VizGhar: I'm legend :D astro I won't buy my student the laptop :D
VizGhar: tnx barbora
Uljahn: :tada:
Astrobytes: lol VizGhar! did he/she make it to legend or still in gold?
VizGhar: still gold and he cant improve
Astrobytes: ah, your wallet is safe :rofl:
Astrobytes: still, well done to him for trying
VizGhar: he's damn good/lucky haven't expected such performance from high schooler
Astrobytes: Yeah, that's awesome. A future talent I hope. Buy him a rubber duck for debugging purposes :D
eulerscheZahl: did you have a bet: if student beats you, you buy him a laptop?
hiamkaito: :joy:
VizGhar: eulerscheZahl exactly
HoriMiyamura: well, many hours to improve and then go down from 200 to 800
eulerscheZahl: that's a risky bet
jacek: eulerscheZahl so a student punches him and he gets a laptop? i wish i had a teacher like that
HoriMiyamura: then I revert and do small improve and rank around 100 I think
Astrobytes: jacek: :rofl:
hiamkaito: me too, from 93 to 593 idk why :joy:
VizGhar: except you would beat the teacher
eulerscheZahl: Ram death should not suggest such things, some of his class are really good
Astrobytes: + Konstant a 's class
struct: grats vighar
struct: viz*
VizGhar: :thumbsup: from now on, legend in every contest :)
eulerscheZahl: all 0 we are currently expecting?
Astrobytes: :(
VizGhar: you really think so euler?
VizGhar: if so then yes... all 0
struct: hard to tell
struct: But this time they didnt even add more servers
struct: at least it feels like it
eulerscheZahl: i have no idea what to expect. just couldn't resist the :salt:
VizGhar: we really need this / or simillar web... is there any other such nice platform?
Astrobytes: I added extra salt in your honour when cooking my noodles yesterday euler
eulerscheZahl: blasphemia
Astrobytes: :D
struct: ceg I think you are wrong, people keep submiting on gold and passing to legend easily
VizGhar: my case ^^
eulerscheZahl: there are some other websites but none that can really compete with CG
eulerscheZahl: topcoder has nice optim contests. but the usability of the website is a mess
struct: you also have bomberland
struct: but docker
struct: or w/e the game was called
eulerscheZahl: but some real prizes at topcoder. like a trip to the USA instead of a canvas with artwork
Astrobytes: yeah, CG were the cream of the crop when it comes to quality
eulerscheZahl: RAIC: no idea about the future
Astrobytes: yeah, that's a sad one
eulerscheZahl: halite: dead
eulerscheZahl: LuxAI: on kaggle, with few battles and limited languages i think
Astrobytes: though they have bigger plans
eulerscheZahl: their contests are always so long
eulerscheZahl: riddles: died years ago
eulerscheZahl: aigaming: no idea why i even mention it
Astrobytes: theaigames disappeared too didn't it
eulerscheZahl: riddles was done by theaigames staff
Astrobytes: oh right
Astrobytes: that explains that then
struct: ok, time to remake my bot
eulerscheZahl: https://www.gocoder.one/blog/ai-game-competitions-list
struct: 2 attackers or 1 to cheese gold?
eulerscheZahl: 3
struct: :/
struct: it is indeed 2|1 is indeed 3
struct: wtf
struct: am i writing
eulerscheZahl: indeed yes indeed
struct: I just woke up sorry
Astrobytes: indeed
jacek: eeyup
therealbeef: CG has gold in their hands. how can they not make good profit on this? if you see the amount of money companies spend on recruiting and events... and they don't even do advertisements yet.
therealbeef: i don't get it
[CG]Keelhaul: We do it from the pureness of our hearts
Astrobytes: And it's very much appreciated. But you make it very hard on yourselves
blasterpoard: this site should have a premium subscription for extra 20ms per turn, faster submits and skipping wood
eulerscheZahl: hey Keelhaul, out of interest: are you an intern? i think i saw you as a regular user without [CG] years ago
eulerscheZahl: skipping wood :D
avdg: 10 free medals on sign up
struct: Skipping wood this time was easy
struct: the boss codes were public
[CG]Keelhaul: I was recruited a couple months back :)
IvesL: undercover
struct: :)
eulerscheZahl: oh, congratulations
struct: are*
Astrobytes: yeah congrats
avdg: good luck with your career
therealbeef: i'd pay for 'premium', even without competitive benefits :)
eulerscheZahl: i still remember you from the hypersonic contest, we finished close to each other in the end
Astrobytes: even a 'donate what you can afford' would bring in money
eulerscheZahl: if you accept something else than credit cards
eulerscheZahl: German banking system is a nightmare when you want to transfer abroad
avdg: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2c12f15e-b20c-4a14-a99e-8fdb8e371e97
[CG]Keelhaul: Thank you ;)
As for money, our main resource revenue is from https://www.codingame.com/work/
Community won't became P2W^
avdg: oh I chatted too long
[CG]Keelhaul: Hypersonic was one of my few Lengend leaugue, that was a fun one :p
Astrobytes: yeah we know about CG for Work
IvesL: how does the work thing work
eulerscheZahl: my first CG contest. came back years later to play it properly
Astrobytes: IvesL: follow the link, it's explained
eulerscheZahl: the work thing is recruiting tests
eulerscheZahl: and internal team building events
avdg: passing tests is 1 thing, having a stable company is another thing :p
avdg: the company I worked for then was growing too fast
avdg: so it became inflexible when the economy shifted drastically
Astrobytes: the story of many a company
avdg: meh it was a company where managers recruited people and basically put them on where was work
avdg: just big scale
avdg: salary and benefits were nice though there
therealbeef: managers....
avdg: yeah, managers only placed you and they expect you to deliver
it works better than expected though if your final customer knows how to deal with it
avdg: so basically the managers just collection tasks and distribute them
avdg: the system breaks when the manager has to do some it stuff/decision at the customer
VizGhar: Can't be CG platform (contests) sponsored by EU grants or something? It's AI everybody want AI experts
Djellowman: any new rules in silver, gold or legend league? or same as bronze
Uljahn: same
avdg: ow I silently promoted to gold
Djellowman: is it possible to miss WIND spells, because it is cast after the move phase?
avdg: you can't move and cast at the same time
avdg: but you can be moved
Djellowman: just looking at a game, and my heroes double cast wind on a monster, but only 1 hits
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629311632
struct: is this the best defense?
Djellowman: no, but the monsters move
struct: Look how my attacker defends the opponent at the end
struct: This might turn into meta
fcil: hii
avdg: wind is step 6, monster move is step 7
IvesL: i personally wont aim at 0,0
Djellowman: lets say you cast WIND on a monster, but during the turn you cast it, they move out of range
IvesL: to prevent such scenario
Djellowman: oh you're right. i cant read
struct: yeah ill aim based on angle soon
Djellowman: turns out i didnt have mana for 1 of the casts
IvesL: you miss the my_mana -=10
Djellowman: guess you have to keep track of how much mana you spend during a turn yeah
avdg: yeah mana buffer is important
avdg: my bot does keep track which moves are being played
avdg: so it always knows (for at that point of time) how much mana is spend
avdg: it doesn't flush moves out directly
DustinNunyo: I am starting to suspect that this boss AI in mad pod racing just strait up has a faster ship than me...
struct: :D
jacek: oO
IvesL: the ai paid premium
Astrobytes: lol
struct: I feel the same when I play my bot vs top 3
Djellowman: what is the right way to debug? say i want to see a particular monsters' stats such as shield_life
Djellowman: during the game. mouseover only shows limited info
Astrobytes: print to stderr
avdg: probably the best way to debug, for code you can control, is to split up properly
avdg: the debug approuch depends on your situation
avdg: here, probably stderr or chat comments
Djellowman: but you would have to print out so much to stderr. in a debugger you can just see current variable values
Djellowman: all the stats for all the entites on screen basically
Astrobytes: if you have a working simulation, you can take all the information for a turn and run it offline
Astrobytes: but you still have to print that info to stderr, or download a replay
avdg: you can dump state if you are only interested in frames
Djellowman: not sure what you mean
Djellowman: wouldnt that be printing out every variable on every frame
avdg: just stderr the stdin you get
avdg: then you can reply without sim
avdg: just reply on recording
Counterbalance: i just print the bot input to stderr, copy-paste the starting input and turn input to a local file, and then run the bot in VS with debug commandline argument < in.txt
DustinNunyo: How might one go about viewing shared code on these mini games? or is that something that isn't allowed?
Djellowman: yeah i'm still working entirely in the in-browser ide
Astrobytes: well it doesn't have a debugger, so unless you do what was stated above you're stuck with stderr only
jacek: sharing codes? :scream:
Djellowman: alright, thanks
Astrobytes: np
Djellowman: damn boss 4 is a lot harder.. controlling my heroes out of the base when monsters are nearing it
cegprakash: that moment when u finally enter top 10 then u lose 10 games in a row
cegprakash: my legend dream keeps vanishing
Djellowman: are double wind casts on monster that will damage the base next turn a waste? is it better to just use 1 cast at a time
avdg: the sum of all wind vectors is taken in that case
Djellowman: yes
avdg: that's why you have goally ai
Djellowman: but i'm asking if you should even double cast wind for defense
avdg: it depends
avdg: monster also change target once outside the radius
Djellowman: i get the feeling its better to save the mana and cast it again later if they get close again
avdg: hoh, now I'm in gold, I'm questioning myself how this game would be if they introduced boosters
Zaphus: Hmm, I've only lost 5 out of 30 games from this run - and in 5 of those I was playing as red... going to have to check my code for hardcoded stuff :slight_smile:
avdg: (so with boosters, the heroes are temporary faster for a few turns)
Djellowman: my heroes randomly dont use wind when they should wtff
avdg: too big decision trees I guess
FrancoisB: Never gonna let you down Zaphus
IvesL: @avdg i suggest implementing levelling system, heroes that have killed enough monsters could level up to unlock different spells, or improve attributes
FrancoisB: is it me or it's taking ages to submit, I don't recall it being so slow in the last few years
cegprakash: need more fan and dust cleanup in the servers
cegprakash: Blasterpoard MindController can I get a replay with 1 of u guys?
cegprakash: I'll watch it till my submit ends :P
cegprakash: me vs u guys
Astrobytes: look it up on the leaderboard ceg
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629401681
cegprakash: ^^ dammmn
Astrobytes: oh, you're still gold, my bad
cegprakash: thxx
cegprakash: this submit most likely take me legend
cegprakash: I fixed an if statement in my attacker
Astrobytes: good luck :)
Djellowman: okay i just realized we have to print commands in order of heroes 0, 1, 2....
Djellowman: i sorted them :cold_sweat:
cegprakash: I only sort enemy heroes never my heroes :P
cegprakash: I never had the need for it.. I dedicate my 0th index hero for attacker, 1 and 2 index for defence
Djellowman: can entities be pushed by wind & controlled on the same turn?
avdg: they are normally separate steps I guess
cegprakash: say u print control on turn X Djellowman, the immediate turn monster just stops moving.. only the next turn it moves to the destination you give it.
cegprakash: when it stops moving wind still works.
cegprakash: but when it's moving to the destination you give it overrides the wind
_NikJ: ah cegprakash, soo close bro :D
cegprakash: I mean if u wind a controlled unit on immedate turn it works, on the control movement wind won't work
Djellowman: so if i cast control, the monster wouldn't move that turn..? i think it still moves. but it will move in the controlled direction next turn. shouldnt that stack with a wind cast the next turn?
cegprakash: oh wait..
cegprakash: yes it should stack
cegprakash: what am I speaking
cegprakash: and yes it still moves
cegprakash: wind is an AOE spell and not a targetted spell
cegprakash: targetted spell gets overridden by control
cegprakash: for example a shield on a control
cegprakash: or a move on a control
cegprakash: move action is also kind of targetted action so it gets overridden
Djellowman: huh
Djellowman: you can't cast shield on controlled targets?
Djellowman: i think you can. just if shield & control get cast the same turn, the shield cast will do nothing i think
Djellowman: could be wrong, but thats how i interpret the docs
Djellowman: or it could be that the control still gets executed next turn, and the shield will also still be applied next turn
cegprakash: CONTROL - Override the target's next action with a step towards the given coordinates.
cegprakash: meaning if it's a move or a shield whatever is the action it'll override and CONTROL will take place
cegprakash: even in order of priority CONTROL gets the first prio Djellowman
44AA44: Why do people not like the bots in clash of code
cegprakash: what do u mean by bots
cegprakash: 44AA44
DollarAkshay: There is no way to make the win push less than 2200 units right ?
DollarAkshay: wind*
struct: only if you push against a wall
Djellowman: cegprakash yet, but being blown away or shielded by another entity is not an action of the target entity
Djellowman: yes*
Djellowman: it overrides the entity's own actions
HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629436663
Djellowman: ...i imagine
HoriMiyamura: why hero is pushed but monster isn't ? turn 75/76
HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629436663
HoriMiyamura: does anyone know why?
Djellowman: why is a game against yourself not completely symmetrical until the end?
VizGhar: LOL HoriMiyamura :D looks like bug
HoriMiyamura: Djellowman, one is on ide, one is arena, they aren't the same
blasterpoard: heroes move before winds happen, no bug there
VizGhar: aha right
HoriMiyamura: yeah
HoriMiyamura: I just see that
Djellowman: HoriMiyamura i'm not sure what you mean. if you play against yourself it should be a symmetrical game
HoriMiyamura: no the one in my ide is editable
HoriMiyamura: you never done that before?
Djellowman: regarding the game; yeah the hero moves into range before wind gets cast, and then the monster moves into range
Djellowman: yes it is editable in the sense that you can select an opponent. if the oppont is yourself, the game should always be drawn, no?
HoriMiyamura: no, there are 2 case that can cause the game not symetric
HoriMiyamura: 1./ The one on IDE is different code from the one on Arena, which is my case
HoriMiyamura: 2./ when the algorithm isn't deterministic
Djellowman: so they are not the same bots then
HoriMiyamura: yup
Djellowman: i don't see a reason to introduce nondeterminism in these bots
HoriMiyamura: case 2 is same bot, but they run random algorithm
Djellowman: since they started out mirrored, i was surprised that the result wasn't a draw
Djellowman: ah i see, so you did make them nondeterministic
HoriMiyamura: At lot of bot Algo are nonditerministic, although we tend to use a seed to make it deterministic
HoriMiyamura: but it may depend on how you code your solution.
TichHuyen: the replay is about case 1: 2 bots with different source code
DollarAkshay: If I send a 0 HP monster into the enemy base does that do damage ?
DollarAkshay: sent by wind
blasterpoard: no
TichHuyen: Can we do that?
ClockSort: blasterpoard are you using a search alg or just heuristics?
ClockSort: it's crazy how well your approach works :D
blasterpoard: you would probably call it depth 1 search with a sort of cheat-like evaluation that substitutes deeper simulation
blasterpoard: but that's just heuristics, isn't it?
_NikJ: so basically, dark magic?
TichHuyen: Do we have anygroup discuss about the strategy for this game on discord?
blasterpoard: after the contest, there will be postmortems on the forum
GlaceCoding: :eyes:
TichHuyen: I know, just want to know if currently we have one
TichHuyen: I am struggling to legend
cegprakash: _NikJ yea dark magic
Astrobytes: there is one on the CG discord yes, and a bug report thread in the forum, plus the webchat here
struct: Currently there is a thread to report bugs but thats about it
Astrobytes: https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/966605784781836348
struct: I need to finish my bot, ping me if anyone misbehaves
Scarfield: during contests there will be some level of strategy talk, but the potential winning players wont at shouldnt give away the gold nuggets until after contest is over
Astrobytes: np struct
Scarfield: also oi
struct: hi and bye
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: hiya Scarfield
Scarfield: :wave:
struct: I see you got in legend
TichHuyen: well, I am stuck ...
struct: nice
Scarfield: who astro?
struct: TichHuyen which league are you in?
Astrobytes: I'm in gold
TichHuyen: I am in gold
struct: didnt you get legend Scarfield?
DollarAkshay: I am in gold
TichHuyen: My last submit is around 100 in gold
Scarfield: nope
struct: oh my bad
Scarfield: i have an imposter :o
struct: I thought you did
TichHuyen: but any improve from me make it worse
Astrobytes: Scaryfield
struct: TichHuyen look at what top players do and try to copy their strategy
MindController: Can give tips on my strat
GlaceCoding: triple wind with 2 heroes…
struct: I currently use 1 attacker and 2 defenders
struct: my attacker is mediocre at best
struct: and im top 100 gold
TichHuyen: should I look the tops on Lengend or just the top on gold?
struct: Top legend
GlaceCoding: legend
struct: or people that are about to get promoted on gold
MindController: 1 attack 2 defend
Whiskee: I lose like 100% of the matches against triple defender and double attacker and I'm still second in gold
MindController: Is very easy to code
Scarfield: maybe i will get there tomorrow, but doubt it :'(
Whiskee: don't try to counter everything
struct: if they have a big lead
MindController: And works quite well
struct: my attacker doesnt even farm
struct: at the start
struct: it just stays still for 40 turns xD
Whiskee: I think I had a match against you when you were still doing 3 defenders
struct: probably
Whiskee: I hate those walls, I gave up trying to win at points
Scarfield: the code i have scrambled together for this contest is the ugliest code i have made in a long time
struct: if code is like that I gues
TichHuyen: I use 2 def 1 att, so I think I should find the same strategy
struct: I can describe my AI
struct: Opponents heroes dont exist
struct: If I cant see a spider it doesnt exist
struct: If close to base I wind it
struct: thats it
Scarfield: o0
TichHuyen: 0o
TichHuyen: very the same as me
struct: I dix fix the wind so I aim based on spider pos
MindController: My only differnce
struct: on the attacker
MindController: Is i sometimes control enemy hero when attacking
Miki09: struct you use 2 def + 1 att?
struct: yes
Miki09: And what place r u?
TichHuyen: so we are same on this point too
struct: 90 gold
Miki09: O.O
TichHuyen: do you use control?
MindController: Miki09
struct: no
MindController: Im using 1 attacker 2 deffenders
struct: I only use wind
MindController: Im 4th in legend
Miki09: lol
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629474451
struct: my attacker stays still for 40 turns
TichHuyen: the last submit I am around 100 gold too
struct: as you can see
TichHuyen: I stay for 50turns
struct: Anyways I need to go back to coding, cya all later and gl
TichHuyen: we are quite the same :D
Miki09: strcut should I inspire from fact that you dont use shield and u r 90 in gold?
TichHuyen: I use shield and wind and now 100 gold
Scarfield: gl :)
MindController: Miki09 no shield rank 4 legend
struct: Miki09 I just copy others strategy
TichHuyen: add control and everything stucked
struct: I dont see many at the top using shield
Miki09: Ok I'll inspire :-)
TichHuyen: I will try remove my shield
struct: when you wind a spider its like 5.5 turns of movement
struct: Which is a lot
MindController: Shield is sometimes good on attacking
MindController: But its hard to make it effective
struct: if I have 2 defenders attacking a shielded spider its 20 damage
TichHuyen: but some time you wind opponent too?
TobiasA: I wish I could copy other people's strats
struct: And I get mana for that
TichHuyen: ah
struct: I think Wind is better value than shield
TichHuyen: remove shield should be good
struct: because you can wind multiple but can only shield one
cegprakash: TobiasA what's stopping u
TichHuyen: I cast shield too much and it wastes my mana
struct: Unless you are using shield very late
TichHuyen: oh, very nice
struct: I dont think its worth to cast a shield on a spider if the dist and health == N
TobiasA: my mental capability:smiley:
TichHuyen: then I can use shield at very late, you make a lot of insight view, thanks
struct: some math formula should do it
struct: But I can be totally wrong
HoriMiyamura: I think it should called inspire view..
HoriMiyamura: :(
struct: I never tried to use shield on spiders
HoriMiyamura: I am going to implement your propose
MindController: Its just
HoriMiyamura: as I am stuck at 100 gold for now
MindController: If ur planning to use control on enemy defenders
MindController: Its sometimes more effective to use shield
struct: Yes needs to be a mix of both
struct: but when does it become better than wind?
struct: Probably hard to say
MindController: When out of wind range
MindController: :)
Enknable: also if the enemy is going to cast a spell that will do some critical thing, control cancels it
struct: oh nice
struct: Thanks for the idea
Enknable: ..i thnk lol
MindController: Enknable but the problem is
MindController: U newwd to guess 2 turn into future
struct: you need to see 2 turns ahead
struct: yeah
MindController: So its just easier
MindController: To shield
Miki09: Am I cursed if I have my_players={} instead of my_players=[] ?
struct: Thanks MindController
struct: You gave me an idea
struct: :D
struct: hard to close chat when so much ideas are given
MindController: I can also give u even better idea
Enknable: true. Unless you think of it like: If I can interrupt 2/4 of his casts
MindController: Dont afk on first turns
Enknable: its worth the missed casts
MindController: :)
struct: :D
TichHuyen: I also have a lot of idea
Enknable: but def a good point tho
TichHuyen: and adding them make my bot go down :(
struct: Thanks again for all the tips, I will close the chat for real this time
_NikJ: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629484821, turn 65-67, why did monster 41 (top left base) get stuck? o.O
MindController: Ur pushing from the perspective of your hero, but not the monster
MindController: U need to change the wind
MindController: to push from monster to base
MindController: Not from hero to base
_NikJ: as in, I need to change condition on which I use wind?
MindController: Nope
MindController: U need to change
Scarfield: map edges inside bases are "sticky", monsters cant leave borders when inside bases, if they hit a wall, they stop there
MindController: The wind coordinates
MindController: Tip: conditions doesnt change
MindController: The wind coordinates changes
_NikJ: ah, I keep it simple, if my base is 0,0 I wind at map_width, if I'm at map_width, I wind at 0,0 xd
Scarfield: wind direction is difference in position of monster and op base, still simple ;)
ClockSort: people are very generous with their ideas and algs -- thanks :)
hiamkaito: Can i change my base in "Play my code" button?
ClockSort: hiamkaito no
_NikJ: Yeah, MindController helped me very much with some ideas (basically, KISS - keep it simple, stupid)
struct: hiamkaito you can change which player you play as
stolyaroleh: Yes, you have to delete both players and then assign yourself to the right one, hiamkaito
struct: if thats what you are asking
Scarfield: yes hiamkaito, left of play my code, you can see the players, delete both, and put yourself as player 2 and whoever as player 1
ClockSort: ok, so I was wrong :)
Zyk0: You're still there struct
TichHuyen: isn't that you said you would close the chat struct?
ClockSort: lol
TichHuyen: and you still here
struct: sry, im out
TichHuyen: :D
Astrobytes: he can't help it :D
Scarfield: xD
hiamkaito: Thanks all , i'll try:kissing_heart:
ClockSort: my goal is to type more chars of source code than chars into chat
VizGhar: What does CG use for showing games on the canvas?
Astrobytes: pixi.js
VizGhar: :thumbsup: tnx Astro
Astrobytes: np
ntsd: I win the gold boss but I can't pass 1000 players in the gold league.
TichHuyen: my new bot beat the account that above the boss and still stick around 400
stolyaroleh: overfitting?
TichHuyen: not sure
ntsd: Yep the strategy create for the boss only lol
TichHuyen: but yes, it just doesn't work with others
VizGhar: overfit on everybody then "D
Miki09: hello VizGhar
VizGhar: hello Miki09
Uljahn: hello Automaton2000
Automaton2000: you can try to make it easy to use
VizGhar: as Automaton2000 says... just a few ifs and you are good to go
Automaton2000: it's not gonna be a good way
Miki09: Automaton2000 are you in legend league?
Automaton2000: so you want to take a break and come back to that
Miki09: Automaton2000 You are so smart
Automaton2000: if you want to learn the basics first
Miki09: ok
MindController: Automaton2000 not participating in this contest?
Automaton2000: now i just need to look up
TichHuyen: I am thinking could I use my super power to go to legend
rockyyyyyyy123: Im new to here
TichHuyen: like I look the leaderboard and then bang
TichHuyen: I am legend
TichHuyen: but I am not sure If my super power is strong enough to do that?
TichHuyen: and can it be before the contest end?
Scarfield: hi new to here
Scarfield: heh. heh. ugh, but welcome rockyyyyyyy123 :)
TichHuyen: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629501673 what to do with this 3 def :(
MindController: TichHuyen u couldve done 1 damage at frame 120
MindController: If u just walked up
MindController: And wind monster again
MindController: Instead of shield
TichHuyen: well I've tried to add that but other things break
TichHuyen: but I would try again then
rockyyyyyyy123: Hello scarfield
Scarfield: here for the contest?
jacek: for the protest
Scarfield: you are a pro tester arent you
MindController: jacek who are we protesting against?
jacek: contesters
Kururugi: i am gonna protest against protestors
Astrobytes: I must contest your protest
struct: is this a sign?
struct: https://i.imgur.com/Mfexnr2.png
struct: :'(
eulerscheZahl: bye struct, thanks for your service
Scarfield: lol not again
VizGhar: I've reached legend and I've lost interest immediately... is this normal? :D
HoriMiyamura: no
HoriMiyamura: it is not normal
Scarfield: grats though :)
Scarfield: do you still owe a pc?
eulerscheZahl: depends on the game
eulerscheZahl: usually it's not normal but this time i am with you
HoriMiyamura: you should: I've been legend, then now I will get CG Tshirt
HoriMiyamura: This is the normal
eulerscheZahl: there are no new designs, are there?
HoriMiyamura: I don't know
HoriMiyamura: but we should have T shirt if in top 20 right?
HoriMiyamura: I've never had one
eulerscheZahl: mission "win a tshirt for struct to consolidate him for the deleted account"
HoriMiyamura: so...
HoriMiyamura: oh
struct: lol
eulerscheZahl: yes, top20 are the tshirt ranks
HoriMiyamura: struct said that?
Astrobytes: *console not consolidate eulerscheZahl
struct: I will get legend
LaurensD: We trust you struct, you can do it!
struct: There is no way I cant improve my bot
Astrobytes: or "as consolation for his deleted account"
VizGhar: Scarfield no I dont owe... student didn't break me
HoriMiyamura: my bug code currently computing 38% and rank 7x in gold
eulerscheZahl: oh, consolidate is what CG and coderpad did?
HoriMiyamura: is this mean my fixed-bug code would be much higher?
Scarfield: consoling might consolidating him
Astrobytes: in that they consolidated their resources I guess, yes
eulerscheZahl: i memorized that vocabulary wrong, thanks for pointing it out
eulerscheZahl: a little better every day
Astrobytes: np, I am always happy to improve your English :D
eulerscheZahl: (no trolling, tell me when i write nonsense)
Scarfield: nice VizGhar, also i kinda rooted for your student though :p
HoriMiyamura: haha
VizGhar: understandable
Astrobytes: Always do :)
VizGhar: I would too
Astrobytes: (I always tell you I mean)
eulerscheZahl: a private teacher for free
Astrobytes: knowledge is free, if I can share it and it's useful then :tada:
Kururugi: how do i share a replay from my last battles? Is there a way to create the replay link?
cegprakash: if gold is this competitive I wonder how legend league would be right now
cegprakash: there would be 50 strats from 200 ppl
TobiasA: but seriously this gold boss seems like a bot from legend
Astrobytes: um... technically it is
cegprakash: gold boss is just wind spammer
TobiasA: it won't even let me get mana it just keeps attacking
HoriMiyamura: because no bot for legend :D
cegprakash: I'm not really worried about the gold boss
Astrobytes: maybe if you were you'd be in legend
5DN1L: Use the REPLAY AND SHARE button just below the replay, Kururugi
cegprakash: it's the top 300 in gold I'm worried about lol so many strats here with almost 2000 ppl in gold
eulerscheZahl: legend is a zoo as well
cegprakash: we need a Ultra legend league
cegprakash: -_-
HoriMiyamura: 2 atts :(
eulerscheZahl: quiz for the veterans: which quote did i modify?
Astrobytes: "multiplayer is a zoo"
HoriMiyamura: :A
eulerscheZahl: point for Astro
Scarfield: "Germany is a zoo" ?
cegprakash: or just convert all current leages 1 tier lower make Bronze2 as Bronze 3, Legend as gold so we have one more league
cegprakash: only 20 should be in legend not 200
cegprakash: at least at this point
eulerscheZahl: no, we are an inclusive community now
eulerscheZahl: and heursitic games always have more legend players
TichHuyen: I remember when early for this contest, I submit the default code that "WAIT" all the time
TichHuyen: and go to wood1
TobiasA: phew :cold_sweat: i'm giving up on this contest i'll try to get to legend like next year
TichHuyen: why next year?
Lysk: yeah that waiting is the sadest part
TichHuyen: how about the other challeng in next 6 months?
cegprakash: TobiasA don't give up with just 1 day to go + sleep time
Scarfield: dont expect a bot contest next year though. not that i wont to poke that hornets nest of a discussion, just saying there might not be one TobiasA
TobiasA: That's how long I usually procrastinate cg games that stress me
Astrobytes: <incoming salty hornets>
TobiasA: I believe CG can only get better after this:slight_smile:
Astrobytes: (or salted? :thinking: )
TobiasA: i hope
TichHuyen: I really like the bot contests on CG, why you procrastinate it?
TichHuyen: If this challenge have 4 time a year, then I will participate actively
TobiasA: I like them too by procrastinate I mean I do other ones then come back to that one later
TichHuyen: umm
Astrobytes: that's called "putting it on the back burner"
TichHuyen: I also play on the last few days
TobiasA: yea I put it on the back burner
Scarfield: some people work better when not under time pressure, its for fun. to each their own way of having fun :)
Astrobytes: like, downgrading its priority
MichExpatMatt: I got lazy and curmudgeony about this one, still sitting in silver with basically a bunch of if/else's and a pythagorean function
Astrobytes: curmudgeons unite
MichExpatMatt: no trig and never touched vx or vy
MichExpatMatt: no nn or minimax or graph theory or anything like that
Astrobytes: you can sit in gold or legend with that if you improve your ifs
jacek: or else?
Astrobytes: my money's on the ifs :P
TobiasA: or else what?
MichExpatMatt: see that's all I was going for. Still need to up my mana farming but without letting the big guy's touch my base in the last half or third of game
Jazzcript: Hi, is there any way select player from legend, when at gold league?
MichExpatMatt: hell maybe even rearranging the order of all the if/elses, I'm always changing my mind or watching a game I lose and trying to address that one reason I lost that one time
Astrobytes: No, unless you request a replay from someone in legend and you are top 1000
MichExpatMatt: I can beat the Boss in IDE but doesn't seem to help me in arena/leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: can't find Jazzcript as opponent in selection
Astrobytes: watch a bunch of games and try to generalise the reasons for the losses
eulerscheZahl: the opponent selection is such a 5% feature, useless for the rest
eulerscheZahl: trolling aside, for CSB you really can't select that many players percent-wise
Astrobytes: indeed
eulerscheZahl: indeed yes indeed
eulerscheZahl: struct would indeed confirm
Astrobytes: 1 == 2 or whatever he said
struct: yes indeed 1 | 2 = 3 indeed
struct: or w/e
Astrobytes: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: i dumped my search bot, too many flaws. now i'm around 30 again while search was bottom of the league :tear:
eulerscheZahl: :'
eulerscheZahl: no emoji?
Astrobytes: :crying:
struct: :'(
Astrobytes: :cry:
Astrobytes: dammit
eulerscheZahl: that one
jacek: :frog:
struct: missing a (
Scarfield: : ' ( :'(
struct: at the end
eulerscheZahl: somehow i expected :sob: for : cry :
jacek: :sweat:
Astrobytes: turn on your air conditioning jacek
eulerscheZahl: you have air conditioning?
Astrobytes: No.
eulerscheZahl: i have a fan for hot summer days
Astrobytes: Same.
HoriMiyamura: me too
HoriMiyamura: a fan
Astrobytes: It broke though. Thankfully summer in Scotland isn't very hot
MichExpatMatt: I am in Arizona, if I didn't have air conditioning over here I might not actually survive the summer
Astrobytes: Well, not thankfully, I miss the nice weather
eulerscheZahl: i also have a lot of fans on CG. broke the 1000 mark now
Astrobytes: ba-dum-tsss
Astrobytes: he's here all week folks
eulerscheZahl: a sheep, a drum and a snake fall down a cliff. da-dum-tsss
MichExpatMatt: :laugh:
Astrobytes: *baa-dum-tsss
MichExpatMatt: oh FFS
eulerscheZahl: the sheep was so surprised for falling first, that it only got out a "ba"
Astrobytes: it was a "da"
**Astrobytes awaits the excuses
MichExpatMatt: ta-da
VizGhar: falling from high floor - aaaa bam
falling from lower floow - bam aaaa
eulerscheZahl: https://giphy.com/gifs/family-guy-fox-family-guy-foxtv-3o6ZtpRoYe9wbyfcBi
-Banana: haha
Astrobytes: :D
VizGhar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Astrobytes: not gonna click *that* one
eulerscheZahl: i know the last 3 letters
Astrobytes: in fact, never gonna click that one
VizGhar: :D you already know by url? mg :D
Astrobytes: yep
jacek: how?
Astrobytes: you
eulerscheZahl: there is a guy totally dedicated about rickrolling
VizGhar: I have to shorten it
VizGhar: yeah? where?
eulerscheZahl: once invested $1500 to show the video as a youtube ad
Astrobytes: lol, that is some dedication right there
VizGhar: oh... well, he buys it so
eulerscheZahl: and paid a sky writer to draw it over the superbowl stadium
MichExpatMatt: someone has too much money
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8JexGCZEo&ab_channel=TheTekkitRealm
eulerscheZahl: i'm pretty sure he gets that money back with youtube range on his channel
jacek: how about next contest about rick rolling :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: he also likes to get hired by companies just to mess around and get fired. e.g. as a tictoc moderator
eulerscheZahl: once he got hired by indian scammers to build them a new website. and he just deleted all of it
MichExpatMatt: omg that's awesome
dusk_sd: chad
Astrobytes: guy's got some style lol
AmbF: For the Spring Code Challenge (python), i get issues where i'm not correctly reading the input data even though i'm not removing any input. Any ideas why?
Astrobytes: extra output perhaps, maybe printing something to stdout that isn't the 3 required lines
Astrobytes: or an extra newline, etc
Astrobytes: make sure any debug printing goes to stderr
GalvaBart: @AmbF did you check the starter code on github?
AmbF: Ah i see what i did wrong now thanks !
Astrobytes: :)
AmbF: Yes yes i was just moving AND doing a spell
AmbF: Totally forgot about the output limit
Astrobytes: good catch :)
AmbF: thanks
GalvaBart: I forgot to print SPELL and was wondering why my wind command was crashing XD
DollarAkshay: How close should I let monsters before using wind spell ?
Astrobytes: 42
GalvaBart: Range is 2200 I think
MichExpatMatt: wind range is 1280, shield and control are 2200
LaurensD: at the section spells you got a range
GalvaBart: oops no, it's 1280
LaurensD: wind is 1280
LaurensD: All entities (except your own heroes) within 1280 units are pushed 2200 units in the direction from the spellcaster to x,y.
Westicles: do you get double xp/cp for contest leagues then later the multi?
Astrobytes: I am guessing he means how close to the base should he let them get before winding them away
struct: not anymore
Astrobytes: lol indeed
GalvaBart: Will this bot challenge be available after the event?
Astrobytes: yes
GalvaBart: awesome
MichExpatMatt: ahh who knows. if they are even in my base and unshielded, I like to yeet them out of the base if possible, I'd rather get wild mana while hitting them if possible
Astrobytes: it will move to compete->bot programming
eulerscheZahl: might take 2 or 3 days until you can play it again
DollarAkshay: Yeah how close to my base should I let them be
eulerscheZahl: or is it sponsored and won't come back? no idea actually
DollarAkshay: I feel like I am over using wind spell to defend my base
MichExpatMatt: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/31f603fe-f3fe-4ea4-ab7d-cae07dffcd88
LaurensD: Dollar it depends on strat
eulerscheZahl: did we get confirmation about the future of the game?
DollarAkshay: Single defender
Astrobytes: Don't think so, but doesn't seem to be sponsored despite previous use. That is a good point now I think on it.
jacek: eulerscheZahl maybe itll be reused once again in next contest
eulerscheZahl: :upside_down:
cegprakash: DollarAkshay I use based on danger level
cegprakash: more danger more wind
LaurensD: @MichExpatMatt like this :? https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629482516
MichExpatMatt: LaurensD hahaha kind of! But in my case it's usually my 2-3 guys defending and one attacker pushing back
MichExpatMatt: omg that was wild though, like your guys got offended and decided to just kamikaze the enemy base
GalvaBart: I'm curious how alphaStar would fare XD
LaurensD: haha, yeah made that for fun it's in the arena but not performing that well though haha
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/628667511
LaurensD: but there are some interesting video's to watch haha
MichExpatMatt: I tried shielding myself more often based on whether an opp was close enough to cast control... but seemed like a waste of mana and base started taking more damage
MichExpatMatt: ok I gtg for now have an appointment in like 17 min but might be back to mess with this later
LaurensD: You might want to make a simple check when one of your hero's will get controlled, it'll raises a flag and start doing that
LaurensD: at least that is a option you do have to preserve your mana for like > 50% of the matches
LaurensD: haha good luck
LaurensD: oh, pushing can happen too :3
LaurensD: can't find the many reflections one but this one does seem interesting
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/628648963
AmbF: What breaks ties, total mana collected or mana left ?
qwertzui11: check the "wild mana" in the description
Astrobytes: wild mana
MichExpatMatt: LaurensD what criteria would you be thinking for the check though... I think my old check was like... if an opp is within 2200 of my guy, or within one turn or being in that range
AmbF: I see great thanks
MichExpatMatt: but then it seemed like my guys were spamming shiled on themselves unnecessarily
Boopitibap: Do the certification tests test anything other than if the tests pass? Like time complexity, memory usage, etc? I got 99 percentile but I highly doubt that score, feels like it is simply because the tests passed
5DN1L: no they don't
5DN1L: CG said they would fix the percentage quite some time ago...
5DN1L: not sure about their progress
Boopitibap: That makes more sense, thank you
5DN1L: :)
_NikJ: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629595775 well that was quick
FaRNaM.Hs: Hey!
DollarAkshay: Fingers crossed I hope I get out of Gold with this submit :(
jacek: back to silver?
DollarAkshay: :joy:
DollarAkshay: Thank god there is no demotion in CG
DollarAkshay: That would be brutal
LaurensD: @MichExpatmatt, yeah that seems to be a fine condition, this this will also assume when your enemy crosses you, or one enemy is near your base for example. It will make you waste your mana, hence the control check on the hero, thought that might help
Westicles: I think the ML version that shows up and wins at the last minute won't have clear delineation between attackers and defenders
LaurensD: for wind you can probably do a check your last position is > distance away from the current, which probably might mean you were hit with wind. or something in that familiar
TobiasA: that kind of bot sounds unstable
LaurensD: Yup, thought it depends, I assume you cannot connect to external resources right?
LaurensD: I mean ML gotta learn
TobiasA: you actually can but I haven't done it before
TobiasA: what I was trying to say is that a bot that doesn't have clear delineation between attackers and defenders I picture it being unstable but what do I know i've never done anything complex:relaxed:
jacek: ML? mars lander?
LaurensD: Machine learning
LaurensD: @TobiasA I guess it could get a distinction for attacking defending :3
TobiasA: most likely
LaurensD: let's make a socket and control it ourselfs :grinning:
TobiasA: what's a socket?
avdg: depends on context
TobiasA: or what context
TobiasA: python or the one you can stick a fork in
_NikJ: pretty sure you can only stick a fork once
LaurensD: Socket is used for realtime communication between client and server
TobiasA: oh i believe I could stick a fork in that kind of socket more than once
LaurensD: And context would be when the bot runs that you 'are' the player.
LaurensD: Really? Let's try it then
LaurensD: be sure to use a fork that is full metal
TobiasA: I tried it :slight_smile:
TobiasA: now my screen is broken
LaurensD: Perhaps you turned it off by doing that
LaurensD: try again
TobiasA: mhm I did it again
cegprakash: if I do CTRL+F and do username + " failed" it should give all the failed movements right? Is there any other invalid moves that's not covered by this CTRL+F
cegprakash: i.e in the game information log
DustinNunyo: Hmm... There isn't a way to use type hints and function overloading in the challenges is there?
DollarAkshay: hey which was that website where you could see the win rate against specific opponents ?
DustinNunyo: I am using python3 btw
DollarAkshay: I remeber someone from the community made a website where you could analyze to whom you are loosing
jacek: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/
jacek: but there is no contest
44AA44: https://playfreeminecraft.farted.net is cool too
jacek: oO
DollarAkshay: Damn where are there no contests ?
jacek: maybe CG doesnt expose them
_NikJ: what do you mean no contests? I'm using cg stats to track my submission % while away
Counterbalance: it's listed there, but can't find any players
jacek: oh, its down there on the spinner
_NikJ: player has to be in top 1000 I believe
Counterbalance: ow, cors errors.. ofcors.
DollarAkshay: @Counterbalance thank you :)
cegprakash: DollarAkshay http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2022/DollarAkshay
DollarAkshay: :thumbsup:
avdg: wild mana
avdg: rip I lagged against chat again
LaurensD: got that often too haha
cegprakash: 3 defender into 3 attacker strat switch is OP https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629631086 he had a window of 10 turns and he killed me in that
Aland_52879: anyone knows why this happens in top left at 119-127
https://www.codingame.com/replay/629609245
cegprakash: wind range is 1280
cegprakash: are u sure u are in the range Aland_52879
cegprakash: at turn 125 it gets pushed properly
Aland_52879: yes i'm in range but sometimes my hero spams the wind
Aland_52879: is there any reason that causes wind spell to be spammed by a hero? i can't figure out what is the cause of it
Noyotens: how to get rid of "wild mana collecters"
LaurensD: It's a multi-turn thing, your code is still triggered by your criteria Aland
cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/58f12880-7175-4638-9c93-76c955e7a86c
cegprakash: Aland u are not in range buddy
cegprakash: Aland_52879
LaurensD: seems like he was talking about the spamming of the wind
cegprakash: he is spamming coz he thinks the monster is close to him
cegprakash: I mean his code thinks
cegprakash: no offence to Aland_52879
Aland_52879: exactly he thinks the monster is close but looks like your calculation proves i have to look into the range check again. thank you guys
Aland_52879: it's okay. Thank you for help :)
LaurensD: you can try to execute the calculations of cegprakash with your dinstance calculation
LaurensD: for a fast check
cegprakash: I use this website https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-plane/distance-two-points.php
cegprakash: :P
Aland_52879: i will thanks.
LaurensD: haha I just use dotnetfiddle with my code =P
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629645502
Blasterpoard one of ur fan is in gold :P
cegprakash: and he's in rank 795 in gold donno why
MindController: 2 attackers - Blasterpoard fan
nalka0: When you control a monster, are its vx and vy changed according to where the control is gonna send it?
LaurensD: for a fan, you sure did loose
LaurensD: lose*
cegprakash: I'm glad I lost to a Blasterpoard fan
cegprakash: -_-
peerdb: Does anyone know where I could find how the ELO is calculated?
CaptainHamburger: U win u gain some, u lose u lose some
ataya-codam: ^
jacek: on CG trueskill is used
jacek: for elo, there is calculator https://www.3dkingdoms.com/chess/elo.htm
peerdb: thanks jacek
avdg: hmm I have not much hopes for gold
qwertzui11: me neither :D
avdg: Im in the back of gold
avdg: at least, hope for getting in the top in gold league
LaurensD: 1940 of 1970 with my fun bot
avdg: the defense I've just added seemed already useless to the nr ai
avdg: *to the ai
avdg: an ai needs to be sharp from the start to beat the boos
avdg: or I need a very good goally ai
cegprakash: If I don't go to legend in this submit u can call me a "cockroach" for the next 7 days
avdg: hmm what is your rank now?
avdg: and no, I will take into account that it takes a while to get on top of the ladder
cegprakash: 18% progress 4 losses in first 27 games
avdg: aw, way better than my ai
avdg: my current submission has an experimental piece of code
avdg: gonna see how much influence it has
DustinNunyo: Hey could somebody tell me; if I have a circle at a certain position with a certain radius; how do I get the x/y position of say a 45 degree angle around that circle?
Tuo: you know the first point?
DaNinja: x+cos(angle)*r, y+sin(angle)*r
DustinNunyo: TY!
DaNinja: where r is in radians
DaNinja: * angle in radians
pmor: isn't r the radius, and angle is in radians?
pmor: :)
DaNinja: ;)
cegprakash: look like I'm gonna be called as a cockroach
cegprakash: but it's at 26% too early to call
avdg: maybe I'll code something different tomorrow
avdg: I'm bit running out of ideas after implementing some stuff that others noticed
avdg: something a bit more in the direction that is useful, hopefully
avdg: well, there is 1 thing in my ai that never worked, but it didn't seem to have a big impact
cegprakash: show me a replay with u
cegprakash: avdg
cegprakash: I give u idea
cegprakash: if I find any flaw
cegprakash: I'm waiting on my submit and bored
cegprakash: :D
avdg: oh lol
cegprakash: yeah my strat is too boring and even hate to watch my own replays
cegprakash: lol
avdg: nah, I'm not bored, it's just, I better want to put resources in something I learn more
avdg: all that matters now is throwing out bugs or come up with a system to throw them out
cegprakash: just share a replay :)
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avdg: but for tools, for many things, these are things that need time
avdg: wow, don't get wild
avdg: we don't like ai's that are out of control
cegprakash: if anyone wanna find flaws in ur code share ur replay - free of cost for next 5 mins :P
cegprakash: preferably against me
avdg: k, gonna run some games against your ai
yhyoxx: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629671700
yhyoxx: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629672104
cegprakash: first replay turn 13 to 17 what are u doing yhyoxx
cegprakash: :P
cegprakash: ur defender just randomly wandering
yhyoxx: haha yea
cegprakash: in 2nd replay same happens for first 30 turns
cegprakash: I have more than double ur mana in first 30 turns yhyoxx
cegprakash: fix ur early game
yhyoxx: yup
yhyoxx: thank you
cegprakash: u rekt me in both games tho
cegprakash: nice
cegprakash: oh actually 2nd game I won
cegprakash: that was a hole in my defense in first game
cegprakash: :P
avdg: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629671613
I have to investigate why it's using wind in the center because it shouldnt do that anymore with a recent change
cegprakash: yea
cegprakash: wind in center is kinda waste of mana
avdg: maybe it's a bug that only occurs when I'm on the right side
cegprakash: what are ur 2 defenders doing till turn 9 avdg
cegprakash: they like chilling huh
cegprakash: :D
avdg: oh, missed that
cegprakash: hehe
avdg: ah, attacking code that broke
cegprakash: I am looking at ur fog of war
cegprakash: debug mode fog of war only urself
cegprakash: that way easy to notice these
avdg: and no, my ai doesn't work with roles
avdg: it works with relative position to others
avdg: and task queues
avdg: man, yesterday I was like, ok, these heroes don't have a move, just push them forward, nope
cegprakash: ur shield usage is also bad avdg
cegprakash: u are using shield from middle of the board
cegprakash: and ur wind direction is also bad
cegprakash: in same replay
avdg: yeah, the limitations might be better be more strict
cegprakash: make a function
bool shouldUseWind(Hero, Monster) {
//add 10-15 conditions
}
avdg: it's already like that :p
avdg: just need different checks
DustinNunyo: I'm having a bit of trouble converting degrees to radians. I assume that this is the correct way?
angle = (180/math.pi) * angle
avdg: fixed the first moves: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629681017
cegprakash: how many conditions do u have in wind function for defending
avdg: hmm depends, but many
cegprakash: DustinNunyo
avdg: though not worked out completely
cegprakash: long double radians(long double degrees) {
return degrees * PI / 180.0;
}
DustinNunyo: ty!
DaNinja: cos(degrees * PI / 180.0)
cegprakash: I have 16 comparision statements inside my denfending wind condition avdg
avdg: lol
avdg: my ifs are kinda messy and recalculating stuff a lot there
avdg: but lazy to fix because my ai still runs under a ms a turn
avdg: my ai timings are in stderr
cegprakash: anyone else want to share a replay with me -_- I can help till my submit ends.. it's at 50% now
struct: I think this was reported yesterday right?
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629683836
struct: frame 181-182
struct: The spiders that go out
struct: The Rng wont handle them symetrical
struct: I only share replays with bugs
cegprakash: don't get struct what's the monster id
avdg: hmm sending spiders back might be hard to do fairly unless the referee keeps track where they are send
avdg: one approuch I think of (but I guess others may do better) is keep track of distance to travel to the other side
struct: 134 and 135
struct: they will go in different directions
avdg: maybe combined with how close they get to the base
struct: But I guess this is fine
struct: I can live with this bug
avdg: or keep a list of send back directions and shuffle for both sides
struct: Was just confused on why my bot didnt draw
avdg: then it's random, but in a closed set
struct: since I have symmetry
avdg: (a bit like tetris)
cegprakash: struct wind from inside the ring to outside right
cegprakash: I heard it's random direction
struct: yes
struct: its random and non symmetrical it seems
cegprakash: yeah
avdg: need to check referee
struct: no need
struct: the replay is proof
cegprakash: I'm above gold boss for the first time ever
cegprakash: hope my points maintain
struct: gl
struct: should my defenders think before my attacker
struct: :thinking:
cegprakash: lol struct
cegprakash: it's independent right
struct: no due to mana
cegprakash: I think for attacker before defender but keep at least 10 mana for my defenders
struct: I see
cegprakash: u can do the same reverse
cegprakash: if u are confident with ur attacker
cegprakash: my attacker is a pleb attacker
cegprakash: lol
avdg: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L327
avdg: hmm
avdg: that else part should do the redirection I think
struct: so it seems its not working properly
struct: unplayable
struct: I hope they add 1 more week to the contest due to this bug
struct: :)
cegprakash: random = new Random(this.seed);
cegprakash: there is only one random used for both players
cegprakash: so it'll give diff values for directions for both players right
struct: I'll check it once I reach legend
avdg: it should use a random number pool
cegprakash: they should have a random for each player if it should generate same random value for both players in order
avdg: though with a circle, it's still hard to make it fair
avdg: the same direction has an other effect on an other place of the circle
avdg: though I think it will still be a bit more fair
LaurensD: Haha this version of the bot is still at the beginning, with only defending lol I wonder how far I can come with xD
LaurensD: gotta stop anyways
avdg: ?
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629699799
avdg: and laurens did you get progress?
avdg: I would keep 1 close to the home base
LaurensD: A little bit, started over hoping to get a decent system, which is probably too complicated lol
Zandy156: I can't believe how many challenges come with just grouping monsters.
avdg: even with my ai keeping 1 at the back, it still gets suprised sometimes by monsters slipping through to the base
LaurensD: previous bot was okay, but gold was his limit =P want to make a tad smarter and more efficient bot
LaurensD: Haha thanks for the tip, wanted to have a midpoint at the very least today so the combat mechanic is just the closest with a few conditions =P
LaurensD: gonna hurt my head over it tomorrow, likely
LaurensD: but it's so fun :nerd:
cegprakash: laurnensD may be top 1000 gold not more than that LaurensD..
yhyoxx: cg should let us run our own servers for running arena tests
cegprakash: almost everyone in top 1000 has an attacker
yhyoxx: some blockchain type of architecture
nalka0: I don't cegprakash
CaptainHamburger: Nagatsuka_Akiya doesnt attack and is 45th in legend
LaurensD: @cegprakash was like 1300 ish, if I recall correctly
cegprakash: nalka0 u have a crazy defense xD
LaurensD: doing it mostly for fun at this point
cegprakash: I can't kill u -_-
cegprakash: soon to be a legend bot and I can't kill u
LaurensD: self proclaimed soon to be legend bot
LaurensD: :joy:
cegprakash: check the leaderboard LaurensD
nalka0: haha well i think you can pass it if you try several times, it has issues with keeping an eye on what happens in the middle (and sadly that's from here that most people attack)
LaurensD: oeh! nice!
LaurensD: congrats :D
cegprakash: nalka0 most attacks are sneaky
nalka0: The previous versions of me were beating boss 5, didn't try it with the latest ones
cegprakash: and unpredictable
cegprakash: especially coz defending is not easy
Zandy156: I haven't figured out what makes the legend bots so good yet. There seem to be so many different strategies.
yhyoxx: how to climb ?
nalka0: Well the way people attack most of the time is predictable but i meant probably need to keep my center hero more often in the center to have vision on monsters coming in the center
yhyoxx: optimize against boss ? against top bots in the leaderboard ? against legends ?
nalka0: (by center i mean center of my base)
yhyoxx: against everyone ?
LaurensD: can't press play my code, odd
LaurensD: test in arena is possible lol
LaurensD: oh
LaurensD: Lost a player, whoopsy
nalka0: cegprakash i did a quick BO9 with the boss, he 5-3'd me but when i won i obliterated his wild mana
LaurensD: my first win, lmao did not expect that :3
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629721915
LaurensD: Won against twitter :3
Tuo: nalka0 gold boss spends a lot of time in early game winding in enemy base not collecting any mana
cegprakash: nalka0 gold boss' atacker never uses anything other than wind
cegprakash: wind is defendable without self shield
cegprakash: just have to do counter wind
Tuo: tho it gets rewarded for it, at least against my bot :angry:
cegprakash: but the ladder is much harder nalka0
nalka0: well if you never shield the issue is plenty people are just control chaining you heroes
nalka0: And except being shielded, you can't defend against that imo
nalka0: If gold boss is that easy, why is it dropping so slowly though?
Tuo: with 2 defenders you could wait untill detecting control and only after go for counter measures
nalka0: I prefer preventive shielding, i do it when my hero is already in a good position and i have at least nearly 100 mana
cegprakash: boss is rank 8 in goold
cegprakash: and boss is down to 29
HoriMiyamura: too many legend
HoriMiyamura: I will be one of the next legend :D
HoriMiyamura: should I say: "I am being a legend"
cegprakash: Promotion to Legend League in :
00H 00MN 11SC
HoriMiyamura: I just run 45 mins
HoriMiyamura: 45%
Westicles: nice job ceg
HoriMiyamura: still wait a lot
HoriMiyamura: next goal should be top 20?
cegprakash: finally
HoriMiyamura: well
HoriMiyamura: I increase 1 rank thank to you :D
nalka0: So you're telling me I beat legends? :p
cegprakash: ty Westicles
yhyoxx: gg ceg
cegprakash: I'm coming for the T shirt
cegprakash: top 20 T shirt is it
HoriMiyamura: I have never have a T shirt
HoriMiyamura: I am coming for it too
HoriMiyamura: do you have any CG Tshirt ceg?
cegprakash: no lol
HoriMiyamura: :)
cegprakash: my best rank was like top 200ish only
cegprakash: and I usually get legend in 50% of the contests and end up in gold/silver in others
PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: how close you need to be for wind to work ?
cegprakash: PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER depends on situations
yhyoxx: 1280
cegprakash: oh yeah the range
HoriMiyamura: I would say, this time we have too many legend
PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: I will try that
yhyoxx: look at the rules
yhyoxx: wind : All entities (except your own heroes) within 1280 units are pushed 2200 units in the direction from the spellcaster to x,y.
HoriMiyamura: we already have 211 legend till now, and we have more than 1 day left
cegprakash: we will have 300-400 by the time contest ends
cegprakash: xD
HoriMiyamura: :D
cegprakash: more chatic legend
cegprakash: chaotic*
cegprakash: it already is chaotic I barely climbed 10 ranks since my submit
cegprakash: lol
cegprakash: climbed 50 ranks
cegprakash: now we speaking xD
yhyoxx: nice
Whiskee: oh wow I went afk in gold (run completed) and came back to legend :eyes:
Whiskee: thanks to whomever beat the boss and pushed it down
cegprakash: it was a team effort Whiskee
cegprakash: boss was 30.5 at one point
cegprakash: we brought him down to 28.5ish
Whiskee: I was actually consistently 3-0ing the boss without tuning against it at all
Whiskee: but I'm very weak against double attackers
Whiskee: that were popping up everywhere
cegprakash: double attackers are bad at defense except for blasterpoard :P
Whiskee: yeah I just didn't have great logic against it
Whiskee: I focused on the most common meta
blasterpoard: nope; my defense is bad as well
cegprakash: u convert defence into attack xD
nalka0: Double attackers are hard to def indeed
cegprakash: Arnaud has stronger defence yes agree
cegprakash: planning to switch to 2 defenders blasterpoard?
cegprakash: that would be a lot of code change
struct: I hate this game
nalka0: 15-2 mon dernier submit pour l'instant :o
nalka0: oops wrong channel x)
nalka0: I meant my latest sumbit is 16-2 :p
cegprakash: don't test too much against boss he just a wind user :P u need a generalized solution..
cegprakash: boss is like last level of testing
HoriMiyamura: do you guys know how to hanle 2 atts?
cegprakash: atts?
cegprakash: attackers?
HoriMiyamura: attacker
cegprakash: which leage are u in
HoriMiyamura: still in gold
Astrobytes: Listen to the wisdom of the ceg
cegprakash: just wind them
HoriMiyamura: I lost to 2 att a lot
HoriMiyamura: but the monster right?
HoriMiyamura: wind the monster?
cegprakash: I have a global variable to kknow if I'm playing against 2 attacker
HoriMiyamura: yeah
cegprakash: in that case I have custom defence
HoriMiyamura: then what to do?
nalka0: I like how you say just wind'em but sometimes they shield themselves ya know?
cegprakash: shielding 2 attackers are weaker they take too late to attack
struct: Time for me to try 2 attackers I guess
HoriMiyamura: do you have replay?
struct: If it doesnt work I give up
HoriMiyamura: to counter 2 atts?
cegprakash: yes I'll give u replay
HoriMiyamura: thanks
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629790289
cegprakash: DollarAkshay has a very very strong 2 attacker strat
cegprakash: he snipes from long range with double wind
cegprakash: actually triple wind
cegprakash: wind followed by double wind
cegprakash: and I defend against him
cegprakash: it works in gold
HoriMiyamura: thank you
Astrobytes: stop exploiting your countrymen ceg! :P :D
GalvaBart: @cegprakash thanks for sharing, that snipe was very surprising!
HoriMiyamura: 2atts are quite a cheat
HoriMiyamura: we have to treat them like this
HoriMiyamura: haha
cegprakash: sorry Astrobytes :P
cegprakash: don't tell DollarAkshay
Astrobytes: hehehe
Astrobytes: congrats on legend btw cegprakash
cegprakash: ty Astrobytes
cegprakash: going to add prune array next
cegprakash: :D
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: excellent
cegprakash: but I need some sleep now
Astrobytes: no sleep til #1
cegprakash: going to code non stop sleeping last 24 hours
cegprakash: sleep 8 hours now
cegprakash: and probably visit hospital after contest for backpain
Astrobytes: I literally *live* backpain
Astrobytes: get some sleep!
struct: I dont know how to code these kind of bots
struct: I might just try to plug a mcts to see if anything happens
Astrobytes: are you hiding a secret search bot
cegprakash: struct if else all the way
struct: nope
struct: Im just bad
Astrobytes: said you in EVERY contest
cegprakash: u came late if I remember struct
cegprakash: had u come 2 days earlier u are legend by now
Astrobytes: Personally, I don't care, gold is fine, I ain't bothered
Astrobytes: he was here cegprakash
struct: Fog kills me
Astrobytes: I really don't like the game, it was a chore to motivate myself to reach gold tbh
cegprakash: I kill monster from it's back while defending for better vision struct
cegprakash: like 800 units extra vision
Astrobytes: I'm just happy we had a contest tbh
cegprakash: true
cegprakash: it's been over an year
cegprakash: and it's good to have something on vectors xD
cegprakash: brings back Fantastic bits memories
cegprakash: there we kick the ball here we kick monsters with wind and both are base defence
cegprakash: and I ended up in gold in that.. so happy to do better this time
Astrobytes: yeah, that part of the game I don't mind :D
yhyoxx: i like vectors
cegprakash: I'll probably do code vs zombies after this contest
cegprakash: I didn't pass the last test case
Astrobytes: minus the fog and some different mechanics would have been better imo, but that's just mo
cegprakash: hopefully after contest I could do it
cegprakash: as both are kind of similar problems
Astrobytes: except single player for CvZ
Astrobytes: this game has a lot of codebusters in it
Astrobytes: codebusters meets code royale meets fb, without the fun of fb
Astrobytes: rec
struct: At least this bot seems a bit better
struct: First submit was rank 400 so I got demotivated
Astrobytes: since I typed that I'll finish: recording guitar isn't that easy
struct: hf
Astrobytes: No I'm explaining my random 'rec'
Astrobytes: Wrong damn window
Astrobytes: where you at now struct?
DomiKo: some late coding here?
struct: 20 gold
struct: yes
Astrobytes: just saw it, looks good
DomiKo: figting for legend?
DomiKo: struct add some movement to your attacker
Astrobytes: struct is, I don't give af
DomiKo: I understand
struct: I can i guess
Astrobytes: no saltiness, got gold, can't be overly bothered :D
struct: I just hate this game with some passion
Astrobytes: completely forgot to get up for coedjam 1C this morning too
DomiKo: me too
Astrobytes: wooo codejame even, coedjam I might have got up for
DomiKo: but I missed it on purpose
Astrobytes: you already qualified
DomiKo: nope
DomiKo: :(
Astrobytes: why?
DomiKo: before 1B I had another contest
DomiKo: before 1A I had exam
DomiKo: and today I had HashCode
DomiKo: no time for codejam :/
Astrobytes: ah, 1A for me never was gonna work at that time in the morning. 1B was at like 5pm, I can't do that stuff at 5pm. So I was counting on 1C and totally forgot :D
DomiKo: next time
DomiKo: maybe next time xd
Astrobytes: Yeah, I'll be more prepared
Astrobytes: how was hashcode btw?
DomiKo: it was suppperrr hard
DomiKo: 24th for us
witty3: there is no 1D, 1E
DomiKo: 20 teams had like 0 points
Astrobytes: wow
DomiKo: we go 1MLN, and top1 got 5MLN points so...
kovi: gratz domiko
DomiKo: how about you kovi?
Astrobytes: madness
Astrobytes: yeah how did you do kovi?
Astrobytes: or 'team kovi' shall I say :D
kovi: was hard....barely made it
kovi: 31th
Astrobytes: *31st
DomiKo: F was your's friend too
Astrobytes: well done
Astrobytes: # + th is only for numbers > 3
Astrobytes: (Sorry, I coach euler on his English a bit so it's habitual to correct)
DomiKo: Better to know that you are making a mistake
Astrobytes: Agreed. I would expect it if trying to speak in another language.
Kido-san: Anyone know what the trick is to get more wild mana? Heroes are away from base the whole time still getting around 578 wild mana..boss3 getting 614
cegprakash: which league are u in Kido-san
Astrobytes: try to attack him instead
Kido-san: Bronze hehe (quite low)
cegprakash: just don't go too far from ur base
cegprakash: that should do in bronze
cegprakash: and try to work as a team
Astrobytes: use wind, that should help
cegprakash: I mean ur heroes should split farm
Kido-san: Thanks..doing all that at the moment I think. Only losing as Boss3 keeps getting more wild mana
cegprakash: can u share a replay
cegprakash: can easily find what u are doing wrong
cegprakash: with turn number
Kido-san: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629807738
cegprakash: don't use wind in first 20 turns
cegprakash: u are losing farm
cegprakash: health of monsters increase by 1 every turn
cegprakash: so it's pretty easy to kill the monsters in early game
cegprakash: I mean health of monsters increase by 1 every 4 turns*
Kido-san: Great tip!
cegprakash: don't use wind for first 50 turns *
cegprakash: u have to be as close to the monsters and farm more than pushing it away from u
cegprakash: push it only when u feel u are in danger
cegprakash: u are faster than the monster by 2x anyway
Kido-san: Thanks cegprakash, super useful tips :-) will save mana and use it only if base gets surrounded
cegprakash: say u spot the monster at 6000 distance monster has 20 turns to reach the base and u can do 40 damage in 20 turns
cegprakash: just with 1 hero
cegprakash: and if there are too many monsters then feel free to trigger the button
cegprakash: blew em away
Kido-san: :bow:
Kido-san: That helped, now in silver league, thanks a lot
HoriMiyamura: how to counter 3 def then?
HoriMiyamura: are you still there cegprakash?
Astrobytes: come on Hori, watch some replays and do some work
HoriMiyamura: you are right, I only need the replay :D
HoriMiyamura: too sleepy
HoriMiyamura: just submit code, I hope I can be legend after sleep
struct: 31 hours only
struct: :&
HoriMiyamura: I think I am legend for this submit
HoriMiyamura: can't sleep
yhyoxx: contest ends at 7am ?
HoriMiyamura: 27% rank 29
struct: I think 8am
HoriMiyamura: :D
struct: Its 31 hours and 50 minutes left
HoriMiyamura: you 2 on same country?
struct: nice HoriMiyamura
struct: no
struct: I dont think so
HoriMiyamura: :D
struct: This bot is a bit better than my previous but not by much
struct: hmmm
yhyoxx: thought it ended at 3pm
yhyoxx: UTC +0
HoriMiyamura: server run faster at this time
HoriMiyamura: Almost go to Lenged last time
HoriMiyamura: then push down by 2 atts
HoriMiyamura: hope that this time I can success
struct: gl
HoriMiyamura: some strategy is quite flexible
HoriMiyamura: they can 2 atts, then later 3 defs
MrAnderson: Haven't done a contest in 6 years and almost didn't do this one, but I dusted off the ol' IDE this morning. I'll be satisfied with almost anything, as rusty as I am
struct: gl
HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629868536 what is this strategy called?
HoriMiyamura: the on from Eaglewind
Zandy156: I wonder what the most wild mana win someone has gotten is?
HoriMiyamura: I think there are a doc saying about maxium mana in map
HoriMiyamura: but not so sure
a-Rye: Sorry, not coding related, but important. "Please Mr. Putin, don't be a Carl." I expect talk shows in the US might be joking about this soon, but this is for world peace. I worry about a lot of you! https://codepen.io/A-Rye719/full/NWXZdOg . Thank you, and continue to enjoy the wonderful Spring Contest!!!
Tuo: LOL! i have been refactoring and improving code for 2 days straight to get legend! just about to finish and get auto promoted :dizzy_face:
MrAnderson: congrats!
struct: lets keep it coding related pls a rye
HoriMiyamura: when will a replay got deleted? OR it would be saved forever?
struct: rand() % time;
struct: idk HoriMiyamura :p
struct: Some say deletion time gets increaed after someone watches it
HoriMiyamura: I just got to Lengend struct :D
struct: Grats hori
struct: 2 attackers or 1
HoriMiyamura: your idea about shield is correct
HoriMiyamura: I decrease the use of shield (still use it sometime) and my bot is much stronger
struct: nice
HoriMiyamura: next is top 20
struct: gl
struct: Try to watch top players to get ideas
HoriMiyamura: just a question: if I play multiple account, is it valid?
struct: no
HoriMiyamura: I can disable the other code
struct: yes sometimes people do that
HoriMiyamura: I won't use all of them to get price if I have though
struct: I would not have multiple accounts active on the leaderboard at the same time
HoriMiyamura: just use multiple for the sake of make sure I won't need to resubmit a good solution
struct: One thing is submiting with an account then break that bot and submit with the main account
struct: Another thing is having multiple active bots
HoriMiyamura: I now aim for top 20
struct: Hori I would recommend against it, but I'm just a chat moderator
struct: I would keep it to 1 account if possible
HoriMiyamura: at the end of contest I will disable the others
HoriMiyamura: ok, I got it.
HoriMiyamura: other account still in gold
Tuo: there is also plagiarism detection right?
HoriMiyamura: so maybe I let them there
struct: Yes Tuo
struct: Leave them hori
struct: because its also not fair if you play vs your own bots
struct: It will impact final rank
HoriMiyamura: ok, then
struct: ty for understanding :)
HoriMiyamura: :D
struct: Long time ago they also offered shirts for rank 1 of each language
struct: Some people would get legend and then submit with other language
struct: They also checked that
HoriMiyamura: well, I need to be in 20 first :D
HoriMiyamura: hope I can do that
HoriMiyamura: Do I need to disable other accounts?
HoriMiyamura: or just submit some dummy things?
struct: you can just submit a broken bot
HoriMiyamura: thanks
HoriMiyamura: this game is weird somehow
HoriMiyamura: I call WIND on target because it is in range, but the target move and I miss it
struct: Im still thinking if I hate this one more
struct: or 2020 one
struct: No
HoriMiyamura: I don't hate any contest
struct: That only happens if the target is a hero
HoriMiyamura: at least this is much interest than ESCAPE
HoriMiyamura: yeah, I am saying about hero
HoriMiyamura: some time the hero can avoid the WIND
struct: Yeah I still dont check if opp exists
struct: So I dont have anything for that
struct: :p
HoriMiyamura: :D
HoriMiyamura: I hope we don't see Fall2022 as Escape!!!
Zandy156: yeah
Zandy156: I'm enjoying this one even though it came at a bad time.
struct: 7500 players so far
struct: is not bad
struct: previous one was 6,867
HoriMiyamura: CG is more and more popular
struct: I think 1 contest per 4 months would be the best
HoriMiyamura: ..., it is fun but it will take time
struct: At least I can still port board games and make AIs for it :D
struct: Only thing I know how to make is average ais for board games
HoriMiyamura: I don't know what is average ais
struct: not top 3
struct: like top 10
HoriMiyamura: :*
struct: The difference is that there I dont need to use ifs
struct: :p
ASM_MOV_INT: what IF you did...?
HoriMiyamura: :D
HoriMiyamura: 2atts is quite powerfull with top players
Zandy156: if you use a control spell on say id: -1, does it cost mana?
HoriMiyamura: unlike those 2atts that only do 1 thing, top players 2atts is nice
HoriMiyamura: so I would say normal 2atts is cheat, top player 2atts is interested
HoriMiyamura: Zandy156 you can test on your idea, I think it is invalid and you'll lose
stolyaroleh: gah, I wish the feedback loop was faster
Zandy156: which top players 2atts do you think are interesting?
HoriMiyamura: like blasterpoard
HoriMiyamura: 2atts in lower legend and gold are just going to 1 point and WIND at the same time
HoriMiyamura: nothing more, and it is so dum that they got high rank
struct: ok I have an idea
struct: Not sure if it will work
struct: But if it does its massive
HoriMiyamura: what is your idea?
HoriMiyamura: it is for the contest?
Zandy156: I felt like none of the bots when legend first opened were good.
HoriMiyamura: yeah, I agree
HoriMiyamura: but the tops are now very good
Zandy156: meaning they all had major weaknesses, just leaning on what you said
struct: yes hori
struct: I'll try it
Zandy156: but recently some are getting better
struct: might not work at all
HoriMiyamura: The first lengends are pioneers
HoriMiyamura: the latters aren't
Zandy156: there sure were alot of different strategies
HoriMiyamura: bye guys, aim for top 20 after sleep :D
struct: bye
Tuo: oh no :worried:. early control is so strong and i put all eggs on 1 + 2 wind
Tuo: that gets countered by single wind :(
Tuo: it looks cool tho
SkyDreamer: cant we use string var is .replace() parameters?
SkyDreamer: python btw
SkyDreamer: in*
struct: It should
struct: too bad this strategy doesnt work :p
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629936895
Zandy156: maybe if they didn't just stand there 90% of the time :p
Tuo: u need to gather some spider on the way there :)
Tuo: like this https://www.codingame.com/replay/629946102
struct: nice
struct: so you keep track of spiders that are out of fov?
stolyaroleh: disgusting
Tuo: no just send whatever happens to walk by :D
Fallback: so in the game instructions, it says it updates hero move, hero melee and then creep move. So we should be able to move with 800 units of where the creep USED to be and get a hit on it right? I'm seeing a contradiction in the game where I'm not getting the hit
stolyaroleh: I hate when boss 5 starts to spam wind
stolyaroleh: just burns all my mana
struct: What rank are you Tuo?
struct: Fallback you move then attack everyhing in 800 range
struct: then wind applies
struct: then all spiders move
struct: if they were not pushed by the wind
Tuo: legend 240, but my strat doesnt really work in legend
Tuo: well obv because bottom of league
struct: Im going to try for 2 more hours
struct: should be able to make it to legend
struct: not that far
Fallback: Take a look at this replay. The top blue hero should've scored a hit on frame 10 because his current position is within 800 of the spiders last position right? or am I missing something here
Fallback: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629940400
struct: frame 10 to 11?
struct: Hero 0 did it hit
struct: Hero 1 didnt because it was still further than 800 before spider moved
Fallback: I mean frame 9 to 10 and he does get a hit. I misread it, just a little tired and seeing things. sry, thx
struct: np
MAWAAW: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629954386
MAWAAW: at round 106 the mob 83 is bugged ?
struct: no
struct: it hits the wall
struct: If you draw a line from the spider position to where it should go after the wind it will intersect with the wall
struct: and will keep the intersection position
MAWAAW: it shoulgo at 17630,9000
struct: The wind is based on your hero position
struct: if you output 17630 hero_y it might have worked
Zandy156: yeah if your hero blows to its own position, monsters get held in place
struct: ofc this way is not perfec
struct: I calculate spider angle to base I want to send it too
struct: and use that instead
Tuo: hero_pos + (target_pos - spiders_pos)
Tuo: solves this problem
struct: So is angle not needed?
Tuo: if u have vector math enabled :)
stolyaroleh: damn, I reached the limit of plays per time period
stolyaroleh: time to go to bed
struct: gn stoly
Tuo: struct no need for angles
struct: oh ok
struct: Im not good at math so I just used angles
Zandy156: I'm finally writing some attacking code
struct: Nice Zandy156
struct: I wrote some too
struct: are you going to do 1 or 2 attackers?
Zandy156: I'm going to keep it simple since this is usually the point my bot falls apart
struct: Yeah thats what I did at first
struct: First I kept the defenders I had and then added 1 attacker
struct: Until it did sometihng
Zandy156: the plan is 2, but the simple strategy is to only switch them to offense for a quick attack
Zandy156: first thing I did was sent 2 heroes out into the field and told them never to come back
Zandy156: been training my solo defender ever since
struct: I see
DoraUst: Guys i'm so lost i panic everytime i see a code like idk how should i act and watch 1st (it's my 1st time on codingame)
TranTuan1: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2374891c5ca698816284bdbf9eecff1995b2e71
Miki09: Hi guys. I have 1D and 3H to get to legend. Lets code for a while...
eulerscheZahl: 1D? 3H?
are you playing chess?
Miki09: 1 day 3 hours
eulerscheZahl: oh. that makes more sense
Miki09: :-)
struct: Hi euler
eulerscheZahl: oh, Royale also climbed to legend now. congrats if you read this
eulerscheZahl: morning
eulerscheZahl: large legend already
struct: yeah
struct: Lets hope I can get there soon
struct: :p
struct: Im gonna finish copying this guy strategy then Ill go to sleep
eulerscheZahl: some stupid 3 attacker thing?
struct: yes
eulerscheZahl: shame on you
struct: lol
eulerscheZahl: there are surprisingly few familiar names at the top
eulerscheZahl: or at least none that you expect to be at the top close to the end
struct: yeah
yhyoxx: no beam search for you guys
struct: But I dont think this contest appeals to everyone
eulerscheZahl: sad, isn't it?
struct: I guess none do
struct: But I feel hate towards this game
yhyoxx: because we're not learning much ?
eulerscheZahl: i bet blaster is going to win this
struct: yhyoxx I enjoy writing the sim the most
eulerscheZahl: or a surprise appearance of reCurse :P
struct: on this game with fog is just pain
yhyoxx: i have no idea how to sim or where to start
struct: Not on this game thats for sure
eulerscheZahl: really hard for this game
yhyoxx: and im glad i can advance in this contest without knowledge i cant grasp in 1 week
Miki09: where is reCurse?
eulerscheZahl: i have a search based attacker. but discarded that bot again
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/628489580
eulerscheZahl: that's a positive example. but also fails more often than not
bolmos-o: Hello, I have a question: can we go back to gold league once we are in legendary league?
struct: I enjoyed simulating the previous contest very much
struct: But I also had 30+ days for it so
yhyoxx: u wanna go back ? x)
eulerscheZahl: only go up in leagues, not down
yhyoxx: we can exchange spots
bolmos-o: I don't wanna go back, but I do want to test crazy stuff
struct: You can still test it
eulerscheZahl: legend is the bully league, no fun playing there
yhyoxx: a second account ?
struct: no
struct: Why not test on legend?
eulerscheZahl: 2nd account might get you disqualified if they find out
yhyoxx: make s sense
Tuo: this contest is great, no fancy CS algorithms just old fashioned if/else
Tuo: well at least my bot is :D
HoriMiyamura: Heuristic is great in that even non-expert can code a good solution
yhyoxx: euler :
yhyoxx: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
HoriMiyamura: and believe me, if you are good at bot algorithm, you can create an excellent solution even the game is aim for heuristic
HoriMiyamura: so in my opinion, this game is by great
HoriMiyamura: I don't know why many of you dislike it
HoriMiyamura: *don't understand
struct: I give it 5/10
Miki09: 4/10 hate 2 or 3 attackers
HoriMiyamura: yeah the 2/3 atts is weird
eulerscheZahl: wind stacking is too strong, that ruins it a bit for me
struct: fog ruins it for me
struct: Without fog I would have done a search
struct: :D
HoriMiyamura: fog is to aid the heuristic goal
struct: ofc
HoriMiyamura: this game is to help non-expert enjoy the game
ItsNotABug: fog is fine, wind should average, not stack though
HoriMiyamura: the 2/3 atts is the worst thing
HoriMiyamura: yeah
HoriMiyamura: I agree
HoriMiyamura: if wind doesn't stack, 2/3 atts will quite balance
ItsNotABug: No fog just means cpp people rinse with no hope for anyone else
HoriMiyamura: yup
struct: Never used cpp never will
eulerscheZahl: that would be nice, wouldn't it?
HoriMiyamura: the point is wind stacking is too powerfull
Waffle3z: why doesn't wind simply blow the fog away
HoriMiyamura: haha
Miki09: That would be interesting
struct: doesnt sound bad tbh
struct: But by that time its game over anyways
FlyingPencilCaseAndHisDog_50cc: finally I got the right answer :)
