KayKay1202: *time got his hands on my b**y
bminnix: The US guidelines permit gatherings of unmasked vaccinated people without following safety protocols while unvaccinated people are still being mandated wear masks everywhere.
Ruskin: That's a funny system.
bminnix: Yeah... so many ways.
Ruskin: Sounds like it would be very challenging to police/manage
Ruskin: And your point above is a good one
bminnix: Also, no quarantine period for a vaccinated person that has been exposed.
bminnix: Lol, how BS is that?
KayKay1202: i want a boyfriend so put on me im lookin for a person who can take my heat i need a rude boy tell me somethin sweet at the same time got his hands up on my body
aaron9753: kaykay, you like 10, go study.
Westicles: that's an FBI agent, BTW
aaron9753: figured
KayKay1202: do i care no do i want someone yes
KayKay1202: :joy:
aaron9753: cool #ingnored
KayKay1202: go #ignore urself
aaron9753: nice burn, should try a loop
KayKay1202: i am #Queenofburns
aaron9753: #queenofbait
aaron9753: fixed it for you
Queen10: IM BBBAAAAACCCCKKKKK
Broso56: lie
KAYKAY1202: how
Broso56: i just know it
Broso56: lol ikd
Broso56: idk*
Broso56: just being troll
KAYKAY1202: why does everyone keep saying troll bc i dont know what that means
eulerscheZahl: this is a coding website. and that's what this chat is mostly about
eulerscheZahl: when you constantly spam the chat with twitch level comments, you are considered a troll here
KAYKAY1202: oof
KAYKAY1202: what is loop for if nothin comes up
jacek: while youre waiting
KAYKAY1202: yes...
KAYKAY1202: while ur waiting what
eulerscheZahl: jacek is talking about a spin-wait I think
KAYKAY1202: i dont get what we do on loop bc for me there is nothing there
eulerscheZahl: are you talking about some default code? you have to complete it
eulerscheZahl: we don't even know which puzzle you are working on
KAYKAY1202: i dunno how to explain it
KAYKAY1202: gn see yall tm
aetrnm: Hey guys, is there a filter on all puzzles, I want to look through puzzles with a specific topic (Pathfinding)
aetrnm: It's a question :cold_sweat:
ProCoder03: go a puzzle with pathfinding tag and click pathfinding
TheBlueBias: Here you are https://chadok.info/codingame/tags_list.html
jacek: you need pathfinding to find puzzles
TheBlueBias: :upside_down:
VizGhar: what is maximum number of turns in solo games? (when creating own)
jacek: 600?
jrke: i think timelimit per turn * turns should be < 30 thats the limit i think
jacek: 600 is hard limit. euler has tricks to override that
VizGhar: tnx jacek...
dong1: 这个编程的时候为什么是中文
jacek: MSmits is it legit opening book?
TechnoBot: dong1 What r u saying?
jacek: that 3 3 is best move
cruelnerd: 3"
cruelnerd: 31
JHBonarius: I broke my bot :(
jacek: oO
JHBonarius: :scream: I was working with old code!! :dizzy_face: Another hour down the drain
JHBonarius: 3 year old bot...
JHBonarius: How can I find which bot I submitted last to the arena?
bearnilu: history
JHBonarius: It is just the last one in the history?
bearnilu: yes
bearnilu: there is time also
JHBonarius: So that doesn't get updated every time you press "play my code"?
jacek: only in arena
JHBonarius: haha, all entries in the history say "3 years ago"
JHBonarius: I've been gone a long time
TechnoBot: ok
TechnoBot: :o
TheBlueBias: You came back to see the site collapsing... :smirk:
JHBonarius: is there a problem?
TheBlueBias: Depends of the point of view.
jacek: if you work for CG you propably get more :moneybag:
TheBlueBias: :money_mouth:
JHBonarius: yeah, so you're not giving any information
JHBonarius: plz stop being vague
TechnoBot: :no_mouth: what r u guys talking about?
TechnoBot: i am a porkchop now. :bacon:
jacek: fall challenge isnt bot challenge, just escape room
jacek: they abandoned community contests
TheBlueBias: Meh. No more community contest, then less contests, then less quality in contests, then escape contest instead of bot one. Less resources allowed to the multi part of the site. Cg being sell to an us company. More and more problem on the platform... Should I continue?
jacek: mods quality dropped
TheBlueBias: Yeah. My departure made the level drop brutally.
JHBonarius: turning into a "hack the box" site?
TheBlueBias: Hack the box?
JHBonarius: I don't know what an escape room is yet
JHBonarius: hack the box is a CG like site for pentesting
JHBonarius: hackthebox.eu
jacek: nah. it goes more into hiring platform
Uljahn: and team building
TheBlueBias: Which is the business of their buyer...
JHBonarius: Ah. Like linkedin
JHBonarius: I think 3y ago the businessmodel behind CG was already to facilitate recruitment
TheBlueBias: It was.
Raghuveer: or x in range(pac_id+1):
xRandom = random.randint(0,32)
yRandom = random.randint(0,11)
print("MOVE " + str(i) , xRandom , yRandom)
Raghuveer: spring challenge
JHBonarius: are ther having cash flow problems? Or the founders just want to move on?
Raghuveer: 292
Raghuveer: 2020
Raghuveer: help
JHBonarius: yeah, in "2020" many people cried for help
bearnilu: lol
Not.Charles: Hey, new to CG, and honestly coding in general. i was hoping this was going to be a way to get introduced to coding but it seems like i'll need a little language understanding before i do. any one suggest a more suitable game platform to get more introductory lessons?
TheBlueBias: No idea... But the thing is they're going on the 'hiring' direction dropping all what is too heavy...
JHBonarius: Not.Charles what language?
jacek: try https://learnxinyminutes.com/
TheBlueBias: MK get out of this body! \o/
Not.Charles: I mean i am fresh, i have computer background but it is like IT side, i am trying to convert to this side. I was starting with javascript from what i researched
JHBonarius: In my experience the problem with hiring is that employers want people, but are not flexible on terms
Not.Charles: thank you jacek!
JHBonarius: They all want somebody with 30 years of experience, that want's to work for nothing 120 hours a week
Not.Charles: i am still here though incase there is any more suggestion, i have been trying to gather quality resources
JHBonarius: Not.Charles agian: what language
Not.Charles: javascript
JHBonarius: beginner?
Not.Charles: like, Fresh
JHBonarius: https://www.w3schools.com/Js/ is well known
Not.Charles: not like, hey i am trying to get better with computers, Fresh.
but fresh to actual languages as a whole
JHBonarius: what are you going to use ti for?
JHBonarius: it
JHBonarius: javascript is pretty specific...
Not.Charles: I just want to start there
JHBonarius: "languages as a whole" is VERY broad...
Not.Charles: i would like to learn at least a handful of languages. it's like going to school to be a doctor but not knowing what you want to specialize in. I just know i have found myself more passionate about wanting to keep learning this direction and pushing myself to start
JHBonarius: Yeah, but learning multiple types of languages is a lifetime task
Not.Charles: i just thought it would be important to start with languages. then figure out applications or web dev maybe, once i understand what is going on at least on the front end
Not.Charles: not that i am saying i am going to quickly digest them, but i want to become as familiar as i need to be.
JHBonarius: What background and what purpose
JHBonarius: I mean, it's just so much information, that you'll drown if you don't narrow down your spectrum
jacek: start with javascript. and/or python, quite easy
JHBonarius: Depends on the purpose. Those are very high level. I've encountered people going down to C-like languages, missing essential knowlegde...
Then they try to fix things and do that in a very bad way, resulting in UB, memory leaks, etc
JHBonarius: anywho, I need to go. cu l8r
TheBlueBias: :wave:
jacek: :sleeping:
Bon[]Crayon: automatonnn ?
eulerscheZahl: is dead :)
eulerscheZahl: only 2000, but i'm optimistic that we will get the better of that bot as well one day
TheBlueBias: CG'll die first...
eulerscheZahl: maybe CG chat
PositiveSpin: is it possible to disable the autocomplete features of the editor?
bearnilu: yes
bearnilu: check left side of editor
PositiveSpin: ok, that should help: "editor.acceptSuggestionOnEnter": "off"
Waffle3z: when you fix a bug and the bot starts playing worse
eulerscheZahl: when you haven't seen a user for a long time but still remember the nick+avatar
JHBonarius: Waffle3z same here
jacek: Automaton2000 when will chat die
Automaton2000: it's not a good sign
jacek: eeyup
bearnilu: Automaton2000 gimme my cg back
Automaton2000: but i don't have time for this contest
jacek: no one has
Waffle3z: not a whole lot of participation in counting tic tac toe
jacek: uttt flashbacks
MetehanBayraktar: guys what is the benefit of solving questions continously on clash of code to us what do you think ?
jacek: you can write unreadable code faster
Westicles: can anyone besides thib remove duplicate WIPs?
eulerscheZahl: other staff members i would say
eulerscheZahl: pretty sure jupoulton and SaiksyApo know how to do it
Westicles: it would be cool if one of them did an occasional scrub
eulerscheZahl: and delete code vs zombies
eulerscheZahl: wait wrong title
eulerscheZahl: troll vs castle
eulerscheZahl: that's the one I meant
jacek: i have nothing against castles
eulerscheZahl: the intention of WIP isn't to park your game on the contrib page for years to come
Waffle3z: didn't realize cttt was only 17 days old
Waffle3z: managed to steal 4th place without doing any lookahead
jacek: oO
eulerscheZahl: easy 4th place: night of war
eulerscheZahl: serious balancing issues
jacek: yeah, who approved it
Jay10890: :grinning:
MetehanBayraktar: guys seriously asking what is the benefit of clash of code if give give ourselves to it
eulerscheZahl: i don't get the point of upgrade/downgrade when the latter is cheaper
eulerscheZahl: you can always undo an opponent upgrade so there's no point in using it
eulerscheZahl: i don't see any benefits in clash of code
Jay10890: eular
eulerscheZahl: hi unbanned jay
Jay10890: .
Waffle3z: coc is fun when you win all the time but then it's grindy to stay in 1st
Jay10890: is your pfp a poison frog eular
Astrobytes: "eular" eh
Jay10890: ah yes
Jay10890: i seen you before
Astrobytes: "Larry Eular" wasn't good at maths, became a farmer instead
eulerscheZahl: it's the hypnotoad from Futurama
Jay10890: whats futurama
eulerscheZahl: TV show from Matt Groening (inventor of the Simpsons)
jacek: whats the Simpsons?
Waffle3z: what is a television
eulerscheZahl: what's a jacek?
Jay10890: the simpsons are
Jay10890: people who simp
Astrobytes: can we ban him again yet? Asking for a friend.
eulerscheZahl: i won't rat you
Jay10890: ban me?
eulerscheZahl: *rat you out
Jay10890: euler
Jay10890: astro gonna be me?
eulerscheZahl: no, don't worry
Jay10890: he said can we ban him again
eulerscheZahl: he's joking. but with a grain of truth
eulerscheZahl: so let's get back to coding related chat
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: i've tried the rubik optim
MetehanBayraktar: guys i am asking if it is beneficial for our brain , our logic , our coding speed , making algorithms faster so on ?
Astrobytes: How is it euler?
eulerscheZahl: just some random moves, got around 200 points per testcase
eulerscheZahl: might be better to have a command to stop playing. and reduce the score for turns taken
Astrobytes: MetehanBayraktar: I would say (personally) that puzzles and multis/optimshave better learning potential
eulerscheZahl: for puzzles there are better places like codeforces. but optims/multiplayers are great here
DomiKo: you can't find puzzles with nice graphics anywhere else
eulerscheZahl: true. the few jewels here
eulerscheZahl: just well hidden in a pile of old clashes that somehow got promoted to puzzles
eulerscheZahl: oh, and the rubiks cube stops the animation 1 frame too early. so you don't even see the final state
Astrobytes: Hm. Both seem easily addressable issues.
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: and a few spelling/grammar mistakes in the statement/referee
eulerscheZahl: apart from that i think it's ready
eulerscheZahl: "eulerscheZahl sended an invalid command"
Astrobytes: Nice. Just minor issues then. The boy did good.
eulerscheZahl: yes. and that 3D rotation is a pain to wrap your head around and implement
Astrobytes: he did that pretty quickly too
eulerscheZahl: yes. sometimes i forget that he's still a kid (took me a while to realize, probably i always was offline when chat revolved about that)
jacek: or that kid this young isnt troll
Waffle3z: alright lookahead is hard in cttt, branching factor big
eulerscheZahl: then prune it
eulerscheZahl: e.g. only allow moves next to occupied cells
jacek: discard edge moves in first rounds, theyre not needed until the very end
darkhorse64: Waffle3z: You have found an even better heuristic than mine for CTTT
Waffle3z: or anyone between us I guess
Waffle3z: it's really simple too, basically just picking the cell with the highest potential to either benefit me or get in the opponent's way
Waffle3z: or both
darkhorse64: Same idea. I mostly use scoring
Waffle3z: is there an explanation somewhere for what the score numbers represent? is it like some elo variant where instead of 400 points representing a 10:1 win rate it's some other choice of numbers?
Waffle3z: like maybe 10 points represents a 2:1 win rate or something
Waffle3z: actually 10 points might be like 100:1 looking at cttt
darkhorse64: It's based on Microsoft TrueSkill but I don't know much
jacek: 2 points is like 75%
Wontonimo: well, i forgot my password on this site. rats
Scarfield: that was a short password
Astrobytes: :smirk:
Waffle3z: the boss isn't very strong in cttt. I tried one that just chooses the cell closest to the middle every time and it beat boss 2
Astrobytes: it's just there to beat basic random bots
Waffle3z: it beats both of the bosses by going in the middle
Astrobytes: It's literally just to filter out bots that just output random moves from the top league, that's all
Astrobytes: Kind of an unwritten rule for multi contributions
Astrobytes: Especially for board game type games
Waffle3z: it beats you
Astrobytes: I haven't written anything sensible for it yet
Waffle3z: sensible enough to beat the bosses
Astrobytes: And for some others.
Astrobytes: I literally haven't done anything on here other than resubmitting my BT bot a few times in the last few weeks
Astrobytes: Priorities elsewhere
jacek: now beat othello boss
Scarfield: yea othello boss was not easy
Astrobytes: Was alright for me. The darkhorse64 who wrote it was a different story :P
Astrobytes: Must get back to Othello at some point, that bot is a f'ing mess
Astrobytes: Scarfello :wave:
Scarfield: Othobytes
Scarfield: yea same, but also BT, C4, CTTT, and that other board game i cant remember the name of, there are many at this point :)
jacek: :cheese:?
Scarfield: clobber
Astrobytes: The lack of proper official contest kinda demotivated me recently
jacek: was any multi chosen as alternative to the contest?
jacek: unofficially of course
Astrobytes: not as far as I am aware
Astrobytes: Not sure if the cat finished his or not, it was kinda lacking as it was
Scarfield: havent heard anything about that
jacek: quite simple game. it needed graphics and balance
Scarfield: could be cool, but hardly the same :(
Astrobytes: It needed a lot more yes jacek
Scarfield: btw did you mean chess jacek, :cheese: ?
Scarfield: because that keeps going down on my todo xD
jacek: eeyup
Scarfield: so much work in it, but i still want to improve it eventually
struct: hi
Scarfield: oi
TheBlueBias: Procrastinafield
Astrobytes: #pt guys
Astrobytes: :P
Scarfield: pt?
Astrobytes: portuguese
Astrobytes: You said "oi"
Scarfield: oh
Scarfield: Prochristinafield
TheBlueBias: ?
Scarfield: oi is both a waving dude, and a slang way to say hi in english, had no idea it is portuguese
Astrobytes: "oi" is more of an aggressive greeting in English tbh
Astrobytes: "Oi you! Gonna smash yer boatrace in!"
Scarfield: lol, not what i intended xD
TheBlueBias: Punchfield
Astrobytes: :fist:
TheBlueBias: Astrofist
bearnilu: Astro bite me
Astrobytes: No
Scarfield: FirstoButh
Astrobytes: Fist of the North Scar
Scarfield: lol had to google that, nice reference, but it wooshed me
Astrobytes: hehehe
TheBlueBias: Omae wa mou shindeiru...
Scarfield: if its not one punch man, i wont get the anime reference
Astrobytes: I'm terrible also. I only know a few
Scarfield: oh did see jojo actually, but not really my cuppa tea
Astrobytes: Urotsukidōji: Legend of the Overfiend traumatised me too much back in the day to continue
Astrobytes: Project A-ko too, but for wildly different reasons.
Scarfield: also watched the dota netflix series, and a movie about Vesemir from The Witcher now that i think of it
Astrobytes: I have dabbled in neither of those
Scarfield: both are decent, if you play dota the dota series is cool, if you played the witcher the vesemir if cool, not sure if you havent played either
Astrobytes: I've played dota yes, not The Witcher
Scarfield: Withcer 2 and 3 are some of the best games i have played, never played the first though
Astrobytes: yeah I hear good things about the (game) series. Been a while since I did any gaming tbh
Astrobytes: anyways, out for tonight, gn all :)
Scarfield: ye me to, gn :)
Waffle3z: fixed a bug, stole 3rd in cttt, just passed jacek, still just using a basic heuristic that counts how many possible points a cell can get and how many cells around it aren't empty
Waffle3z: assuming there's an advantage to going first, when going second you can just mirror your opponent's moves and force a draw in the 2nd round, so that kind of defeats the purpose of having 2 rounds
Waffle3z: if you're ahead by round 1 you can force a win
struct: well the opponent would also have to play the mvoes you played
Waffle3z: I mean if you're ahead round 1 and moved first round 1
Waffle3z: if you're ahead by the end of round 1 and you move second in round 2 then you force a win by reflecting your opponent's moves
Waffle3z: if you move second in round 1 then you can still reflect your opponent's moves and just throw out the round and take your chances in round 2 where you get to move first, but then your opponent can reflect your moves and force a draw
struct: I see
struct: you will play 2nd game diferently
struct: based on 1st game
Waffle3z: if the player who moves first in round 1 wins round 1, they can force a win by drawing round 2
Waffle3z: example https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/587680452
struct: so you can always force a draw as p2?
Waffle3z: yes
Waffle3z: if you move first in round 1 and don't win though then you have a second chance to come back in round 2
struct: its harder to win as p2 right?
Waffle3z: hard to tell. I tested a bot against itself and there was a bias for p1 to win more often, but p2 can always force a draw
Waffle3z: round 2 can only help p1 in case they don't win round 1
Waffle3z: which is funny since it's supposed to make it more fair
struct: I see
struct: its like the 2nd round is useless now due to forced draw
struct: I guess noone realized this before
struct: Dont know how the author can fix this tbh
Waffle3z: actually I can force a draw as player 1 too
Waffle3z: make a random first move, copy everything else, make a random move every time they copy me
Waffle3z: so this game is dead. I can force a draw as p1 and as p2.
ArmaniM: Hello.
struct: so its a proven draw right?
Waffle3z: yeah I played it against trictrac and drew
Waffle3z: cttt is a draw
Waffle3z: I cam submit draw bot and flatten the leaderboard
ArmaniM: hello
struct: as p1 too right?
Waffle3z: yes
ArmaniM: ...
struct: i would submit just to be sure
struct: hi
ArmaniM: do you guys know
ArmaniM: um
ArmaniM: a shart and easy way to cod?
ArmaniM: code*
ArmaniM: short*
ArmaniM: sorry auto correct
struct: nope
ArmaniM: yeah im new to coding ツ
ArmaniM: hmm
struct: just keep coding it will get easier and you will get faster
ArmaniM: yeah but what would you think is easier to code in?
ArmaniM: like what language
struct: dont think there is an easy language
ArmaniM: hmm well i personally think C+++
ArmaniM: C++*
ArmaniM: sorry about the spelling i'm a bit tired
ArmaniM: i'm going to test my coding 1 sec
ArmaniM: hmmm bearly anyone on clash
aangairbender: c++ wont be easy
aangairbender: python seems to be pretty easy
ArmaniM: hmm ill try python
Waffle3z: currently ruining the leaderboard struct
struct: you need to print draw on first turn :p
ArmaniM: wow i always get 0% lol
ArmaniM: i suck at this
ArmaniM: sadly, my best is 35%
ArmaniM: 0% again halp me ;((((((
ArmaniM: just got 36 secs on escape room
ArmaniM: join if anyone can https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/1YY-xdz-n4E-F7s
struct: Waffle3z if you spam submits everyone elo should become the same right?
Waffle3z: yes
Waffle3z: then I can swoop in and win 1 game and go back to drawing and claim 1st
Waffle3z: unless I'm paired against trictrac or vintarel for that one game
struct: im surprised noone saw it before
Waffle3z: everyone's score should be the same anyway though, because the game is a draw
Waffle3z: is there something we can change to make it not a draw anymore? like connect 4 has the thing where you can choose to switch places
struct: well c4 has steal
Waffle3z: that wouldn't fix it here though
struct: but it wont fix it
Waffle3z: switched back to playing normally and only drawing when I win round 1
Waffle3z: hey I just took 2nd
Waffle3z: I still lose to vintarel though
Waffle3z: or maybe it's because I just messed up everyone's ratings and now that I'm getting normal win rates it's out of proportion
Waffle3z: wonder if I have a chance at 1st then
Waffle3z: yup
Waffle3z: rip game
struct: doesnt seem possible to be fixed
struct: only solution is to make N random moves on referee side I guess
struct: when game starts
struct: But it might be unbalanced
ArmaniM: hi
ArmaniM: what are you guys playing????
Waffle3z: what if a draw counts as a win for player 1 in round 1 and a win for player 2 in round 2
Waffle3z: no that doesn't work p1 just forces a draw in round 1 and p2 forces a draw in round 2
ArmaniM: what are yall playin???????????????????
struct: chill with the spam
Waffle3z: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/counting-tictactoe
ArmaniM: me? sorry
struct: I guess you can leave a comment on the contribution so author reviews it I guess
struct: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7262f1d66b7bd09545686dcbb89441db1161
struct: I guess if the game isnt 10x10 this isnt possible
struct: But may middle cell becomes too strong on odd boards
Waffle3z: it's not too strong on 3x3
Waffle3z: curious how different the game would be on 9x9
Waffle3z: you could mirror every move except for the center, so the game would kind of revolve around that. you can play regular tic tac toe in the middle and reach a draw there, but then the draw state in the middle still creates another opportunity to score an extra point, and if that's blocked there's another one until it reaches the edge of the whole board, so that becomes the focus of the game
Wontonimo: hey Waffle3z, what's your algo for CTTT?
Wontonimo: at a high level of course. NN, mcts, beam, ... ?
struct: Wontonimo he solved the game
struct: unless player 2 can find a win
struct: but at least game is always a draw if player 2 decides to do so
struct: player 1 can do the same and make it always a draw
Wontonimo: well that's cool
Waffle3z: well I have 2 Wontonimo, one is to just draw, the other is a basic heuristic
Waffle3z: you can force a draw by mirroring your opponent or moving anywhere if you can't
Waffle3z: if I want to play normally then I'll do that in round 2 if I won round 1
Wontonimo: yeah, i saw the draw thing. that's so cheese
Wontonimo: but it's by the rules so why not
Wontonimo: i don't see how that solves the game though
Waffle3z: besides that I count how many ways there are to draw 3 through each empty cell and how many cells of those are already filled and pick the cell with the biggest score
struct: because there is no either way for any player to win Wontonimo
Waffle3z: it's solved because it's a draw, the draw bot cannot lose
struct: any player can force the draw
Wontonimo: oh
Waffle3z: 9x9 might be more interesting
struct: on 9x9 I think palyer 1 had huge advantage
struct: player 1 being the first that moves
Wontonimo: leave it to the CG community to discovered the holes in a game :D
Wontonimo: that's a pretty cool insight and I'm kinda sad I didn't see that earlier. it's a glaring hole
Waffle3z: 9x9 with turn 1 steal?
Wontonimo: mind you, i spent most of my time playing the game when it was 9x9
Wontonimo: and i suggested the 1 steal thing
Wontonimo: i like the idea of 9x9 and 1 steal, but that just assumes that there is a move that would balance the game. There may not be.
Waffle3z: sounds like the game needs to go back to experimental mode so we can try out different rules and see which one isn't broken
Waffle3z: maybe just being player 1 is what is unbalanced and steal would just turn player 2 into player 1 and it would be just as unbalanced
Waffle3z: if it's not about a specific spot like the center
struct: I dont think it was
Waffle3z: oh player 1 gets 1 more cell, they get the first one and the last one
struct: I guess player 2 could have 2 moves on 2nd turn
Waffle3z: well that's what round 2 is for I guess?
Waffle3z: player 1 gets more points in round 1, player 2 gets more points in round 2
Waffle3z: unless one of them is good enough that they get more points in both rounds
struct: I think when it was 9x9 there wasnt this score thing
struct: and it wasnt mirrored
Waffle3z: maybe that solves the p1 bias
Waffle3z: I mean that's already what it was for in 10x10
Waffle3z: the bias is just bigger in 9x9 cause player 1 gets an extra cell
struct: yeah but you still need to get the max cells possible
struct: if there are 2 games
Wontonimo: perhaps everyone loses in a draw :P
Wontonimo: still same outcome though
Waffle3z: player 1 probably wins in round 1 and player 2 probably wins in round 2, but depending on how well they each did, one of them can end up with more points in total
Wontonimo: true
ProCoder03: did you guys use bitboarding for CTTT ??
Waffle3z: my solution is pretty basic and perfect play is also pretty basic apparently
Waffle3z: I look at each cell and count some things like how many ways it can score a point and how many cells around it are occupied and pick the one with the highest value
Waffle3z: ended up in 3rd so the game's not that popular I guess, especially since nobody noticed it's a draw
ProCoder03: how do you count the points, using 2D arraies ??
struct: you can use bitboards also
Waffle3z: 2 round 9x9 is probably still a draw but not a stupid one, more like chess
struct: pro coder just arr[10][10] ?
Waffle3z: if player 1 has the advantage and you take turns being player 1 then the game's about how well you can exploit your advantage or defend at a disadvantage
ProCoder03: wdym struct ?
struct: ah how you count the points
struct: I didnt read properly
struct: I read how do you "code" :p
struct: with bitboards I know how to do it efficiently with array not so much
ProCoder03: if with bitboards I have to research a bit
struct: might not be the best board to start with bitboards though
struct: Best board game*
struct: connect 4 / breakthrough are probably the best ones
ProCoder03: Thanks :smile:
Waffle3z: easy way I found to beat both bosses in cttt is to just pick the cell closest to the middle
Waffle3z: Illedan might be doing that?
Raghuveer: sping challenge 2020 wood 1 help
Thorcode: I think that you solved that Raghuveer ?
Thorcode: I think your code seem good Raghuveer
Wontonimo: you can do pretty well if you make your pacman follow the smell of the pellets
Wontonimo: i'm not kidding
Wontonimo: make each pellet emit a smell to the nearby connecting cells. iterate 30 times or so, such that the smell will go mostly across the board. Then just pick the direction that has the greatest smell.
bminnix: The US guidelines permit gatherings of unmasked vaccinated people without following safety protocols while unvaccinated people are still being mandated wear masks everywhere.
