holite: https://escape.codingame.com/events/t4z-VTs-KDG-mhg?join=Xck-ga6-uDK-AQT : join me at condiingame fall challenge? sure just join now lets do it
ISAI: n daring bro
ISAI: lets become expert first
holite: oldright dude
holite: lets become expert
lol5: lol
lol5: hardstuck bronze 4
mailbox: lol
Tien2k9: hi
n.vaite: lodorius
Thorcode: if x<lx: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ddd9cfbe-8f67-4439-a412-c7217dd3a100
Uljahn: else: rotate = 0
Thorcode: I got that
Thorcode: but my rocket doesn't go in my direction
Thorcode: it fly away from the land
derjack: second if is tabbed
Thorcode: or lx is not the x of the land
Uljahn: it's the first if unindented, happens with c&p all the time
Thorcode: s = int(input())
for i in range(s):
lx, ly = [int(j) for j in input().split()]
Thorcode: I think my problem come from this
Uljahn: ye, use debug to make sure the direction is correct
Thorcode: I didn't get the right land right?
Thorcode: how to get the right land in this?
Uljahn: are you solving marslander ep.2?
Thorcode: yep
Thorcode: Oh the land y==land y from the start and end
Uljahn: land_y==land_y_previous
Thorcode: thanks
Thorcode: find the right land is not as easy as I thought
Thorcode: wow TechnoBot solved mars lander ep 3
Uljahn: x
Thorcode: how can
Uljahn: solving with c&p teaches you almost nothing, you miss a ton of experience and fun
Thorcode: yep I'm trying to do this alone
VizGhar: c&p?
Uljahn: copy&paste
Thorcode: I think that is puzzle
TheBlueBias: Cola & peanuts
VizGhar: ah :D i don't do this :D
VizGhar: code and play
Thorcode: gosh find the right land and the right x and y it not easy
TheBlueBias: There's only one flat land
Thorcode: yep
Thorcode: find the land y and y is easy but get the right land x is not
Uljahn: how so?
TheBlueBias: huh?
VizGhar: you get this on input, why its hard?
VizGhar: what language u using?
Thorcode: I put an x array and got two right land y
Thorcode: python
Thorcode: not it got alot land not the right land I want
Uljahn: what land do you want?
TheBlueBias: If you find the two equal y, you got their repective x, so what's the problem?
Thorcode: the land with the same lnad x and y
Thorcode: I only put the y in my list
Thorcode: and the x I forget it
LelouchVC2: They key is to crash land
Uljahn: just store x and x_prev
Thorcode: yeah i'm so stupid
Thorcode: thanks guy
Uljahn: you should focus more on solving than chatting then
VizGhar: :point_up:
Thorcode: I always got problem with the input
Uljahn: ?
Uljahn: do you know how to print to debug?
Thorcode: no?
Uljahn: :scream_cat:
TheBlueBias: -_-
Uljahn: did you read comments in default code?
Thorcode: not really I ussally delete them all
ProCoder03: better read them !!
Uljahn: nobody reads comments, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: did you even look at the difference between the two
Thorcode: yes after 5 months on CG this is the first time I know in the comment has debug :D
Thorcode: and something useful
ProCoder03: even though Automaton2000 is a bot, Its pretty funny for a bot!!!
Automaton2000: and you have to pass all the test cases
Thorcode: is he a real bot? ProCoder03
ProCoder03: yes !!!
TheBlueBias: Automaton2000: Thorcode thought you were a fake bot...
Automaton2000: i use the first turn
Thorcode: I'm confusing bc the bot has the i'm a creator achievement
TheBlueBias: Automaton2000 create happiness
Automaton2000: what do u think that?
Thorcode: my mind boom with that bot
Cosmo: Evening folks
ProCoder03: So can we do Fall challenge as an individual ??
Thorcode: yep
TheBlueBias: No
Thorcode: Thibaud said that in discord
Thorcode: [CG]Thibaud — Hôm qua lúc 20:18
Exceptionally, it will be possible to play the Coding Escape mission of the Fall Challenge 2021 as a solo player
Thorcode: is this true?
ProCoder03: well I was thinking about it ??
ProCoder03: was it sarcasm or real ??
TheBlueBias: Oh. Well, yes so...
ProCoder03: No more searching for teammates :grinning: :joy: :wink:
Thorcode: I've just check that
Thorcode: is that all of member in top 3 team has prize?
Thorcode: if yes I will play team else I will try to duel :D
ProCoder03: yes
Thorcode: ok I will play with my team :D
[CG]Thibaud: Thorcode why ping me to confirm I wrote in the announcement channel? Please don't
Thorcode: oh sorry
[CG]Thibaud: confirm what I*
Thorcode: I just copy your message and forget that :(
Thorcode: I should read the rule of the contest more carefully :sweat_smile:
Raghuveer: i need help in spring challange
Raghuveer: wood 2
Raghuveer: code
Raghuveer: help
ProCoder03: which year ??
ProCoder03: 2021 ?
Raghuveer: 2020
Raghuveer: :grimacing:
ProCoder03: sorry I used heuristics to solve that one
007_008: hello
ProCoder03: :waveL
ProCoder03: :wave:
Raghuveer: lol
Raghuveer: please help me
ProCoder03: what's your preoblem ??
ProCoder03: *problem
Raghuveer: i dont understand
Raghuveer: it
ProCoder03: if you can't understand the puzzle, I am afraid I can't help much
Raghuveer: i understand it
Raghuveer: a bit
Raghuveer: why did i stop in the middle
Thorcode: show us your replay
ProCoder03: That's something you only know....
Raghuveer: wait
Raghuveer: https://www.codingame.com/replay/587172589
Raghuveer: see
TheBlueBias: The pac is where you said it to go...
ProCoder03: yeah...
Raghuveer: ok
ProCoder03: the way you filter the pellets in your code is the problem it seems
Raghuveer: lets gooooo
Raghuveer: ready for areana
Raghuveer: arena
TheBlueBias: He doesn't filter anything, just print the same coordinate all along...
Raghuveer: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/587173206
Raghuveer: wood 1
Raghuveer: 10
Raghuveer: 9
Raghuveer: 8
Raghuveer: 3
Raghuveer: 2
Raghuveer: 1
Thorcode: nice
Uljahn: no need to spam though
Raghuveer:
Raghuveer: print("MOVE " + pac_id , x , y)
Raghuveer: should this work
Raghuveer: in wood 1
aangairbender: hey guys, is it possible to use simd in rust on codingame?
TechnoBot: hmmm?
derjack: release mode?
TechnoBot: Why is CODINGAME FALL CHALLENGE 2021 at 3:00 am?!?!?!
aangairbender: TechnoBot it lasts for multiple days
TechnoBot: ok
TechnoBot: so ill be ok
TechnoBot: thx
derjack: but noone gonna participate anyway
TechnoBot: there are participants
TechnoBot: CODINGAME FALL CHALLENGE 2021
aangairbender: true xD
aangairbender: nah bot programming forever
TechnoBot: Im not a bot
TechnoBot: im Technoblade
TechnoBot: brb
TechnoBot: its only cause this is "approprite" for coding
TechnoBot: pls join my team
TechnoBot: https://escape.codingame.com/events/t4z-VTs-KDG-mhg?join=thP-WDR-AHi-amk
MSmits: I wonder how they will make sure it is fair. I mean you can start at any moment, but if team 1 takes a look at the challenge and tells team 2 what to do 2 days later, then team 2 has a speed advantage
MSmits: it must have a lot of random elements i guess?
Uljahn: the first to solve will win
MSmits: mmh so you do need to start at 3 am to win?
Uljahn: ye
MSmits: that's weird. They did not mention that in the details
MSmits: they made it sound like timezones would not be an advantage or disadvantage
Karne: "How is the ranking working?
To prevent cheating, the default leaderboard will rank teams according to the official start time of the event. It will also be possible to sort the teams by the time they took to solve the mission whenever they started." https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/coding-escape-events
MSmits: ok so both ways of sorting has issues
MSmits: from the official start time you have a time zone advantage and when you consider time to solve you have an information advantage
MSmits: seems there is some unfairness either way.
MSmits: unless you consider the event to be more about fun/participation, then thats fine i guess
Uljahn: then there is no reason in having prizes though
MSmits: depends, if they are just low cost prizes, it's fine
MSmits: (like t-shirts)
Uljahn: you mean t-shirts for everyone?
MSmits: top 20, it's a small prize so the unfairness doesn't bother me then
MSmits: it already doesn't count for contest leaderboard
Uljahn: don't underestimate t-shirt hoarders, they'll be competing death serious :smiley:
MSmits: haha that's fine
Cosmo: I don't know that I could bring myself to enter a competition for the prize alone tbh
Cosmo: Like, in general
Milanovich: Can you add using statements for c# like Globalization to deal with decimals( . and , )
MSmits: Cosmo me neither, but prizes do affect the motivation of players.
Cosmo: also I've not been in a hot minute but you seem familiar, ulhjan, have you always been a mod?
Cosmo: MSmits, I guess, though of the competitions I did enter, I think there was only one prize of interest, a cute little robot thing?
MSmits: ahh ok. The ones I participated seriously in only had t-shirts and artwork
Cosmo: probably years ago now, was having a rough time with my health/sleep for years after my undergrad thesis throwing my pattern out
Cosmo: a couple of years*
MSmits: contests do not help with sleep
MSmits: unless you think not sleeping is of benefit to you
Cosmo: Indeed, though I've been relatively good at learning to limit work hours over the course of the pandemic
MSmits: you mean by working at home?
Cosmo: well, last 6 months, but a lot of health improvements in general in the past 3-4 years
Cosmo: By working from home, by lowering stress.. I lost all routine for a while at first but as of a few months ago I'm now someone that wakes at 7am sharp every morning which I had never done since birth
Uljahn: no, not always
Cosmo: Less energy spent pretending to keep up with external expectations of how morning routines work, more energy available to figure out what I actually need to be healthy/functional
Cosmo: noted, uljahn, how long have you been particpating in CG in general, may I ask?
Uljahn: 6+ years
Uljahn: yep, 7 already
Cosmo: oh, neat, you definitely would have been a least active way back when I was then
Cosmo: sidenote what's the deal with the language level assessments now?
Cosmo: I did job search test but it seemed to just be 4 minor progressions of a single exercise?
jacek: hm?
BADASZ: please can someone explain the MIME type solution to me
BADASZ: its really confusing
BADASZ: im a beginner im just trying to get better at codding
Uljahn: check the puzzle tags for hints or go to "discussions" tab for more hints
Uljahn: i guess if you lack the basics as a beginner you'd be experiencing hard times here
Cosmo: also googling "MIME types" may or may not help to provide conceptual context.
aangairbender: hey guys, is it possible to use SIMD in rust on codingame?
GoldStandard: I came here thinking I could go from nothing to ~not nothing~ am I wrong? Everything feels too advanced...
darkhorse64: I think it's now possible with Rust in general, please check supported version and crates at CG
Press_F_to-Cesar: who wached jojo?
5DN1L: GoldStandard, you need at least some basic knowledge of any one programming language to start solving the puzzles here
5DN1L: Otherwise, you may have to explore the learning section first: https://www.codingame.com/learn
Press_F_to-Cesar: guys, how are you?
Bradux: fine ty
Mau2e: oh,hello
Sandra_28: hi
Sandra_28: how re u , dude?
Mau2e: sam dude
Sandra_28: da idi ti
Mau2e: net
Sandra_28: lol
Sandra_28: durak
Mau2e: ne pravda
Mau2e: ne vri
Sandra_28: kozel
Mau2e: aboba
Sandra_28: abobys
Mau2e: amogus pravilnee
Sandra_28: kaka skagesh
Sandra_28: kak*
Mau2e: dada
Sandra_28: da
Mau2e: pisat,nauchis
Sandra_28: ti durak
Mau2e: ne vri
Sandra_28: ne vry
Musaab: English
Musaab: And no spam
Mau2e: ok men
Mau2e: good day
Astrobytes: Any more spam and I kick you
Astrobytes: lol struct
eulerscheZahl: am I late to the party?
Astrobytes: seems so :D
Astrobytes: struct is in hunter-killer stealth mode
eulerscheZahl: shadows of the knight
Astrobytes: hahaha
Drayble: hi
eulerscheZahl: 6 days left to validate the rubik cube. i might give it a shot on the weekend
Astrobytes: oh the j rke optim?
eulerscheZahl: and coder one is close to launching their new version of the game. might be my replacement for RAIC
eulerscheZahl: yes, the jrke one
eulerscheZahl: he made the cubes unsolvable, I checked that already
eulerscheZahl: corner stones with same color on both sides
Astrobytes: Nice! Didn't realise it was ready for approval.
what's the coderone game? The bomberman thingy?
TheBlueBias: Where is it? I want contests!
eulerscheZahl: yes. now with 3 bombers per team
Scarfield: sounds caotic
Astrobytes: interesting
Scarfield: insert h
eulerscheZahl: https://www.gocoder.one/bomberland
eulerscheZahl: caothic?
eulerscheZahl: catholic?
Astrobytes: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: chaotic and catholic are anagrams :tada:
Astrobytes: nope
eulerscheZahl: :(
eulerscheZahl: you are no fun
Astrobytes: back to remedial English for you
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: Catholic bomberman would be an IRA game, not sure that would be acceptable...
eulerscheZahl: reminds me of the holy bomb from worms world party
Mau2e: .
Scarfield: HALLELUJA
eulerscheZahl: haleluja :boom:
Astrobytes: haha yes indeed!
rizonbro: hi
rizonbro: you guys good
Scarfield: the donkey was nice as well
Scarfield: hi
rizonbro: where
Astrobytes: Worms was great
eulerscheZahl: i always played with unlimited ninja rope. and then used the baseball bat in close combat
Astrobytes: Ah, the true professional
Scarfield: oh yea you could swing around, but prod/push kills where the most satisfying
Astrobytes: for sure :D
gtrkogvrko: Has someone done Equivalent Resistance, Circuit Building ? I don't know how to resolve it
eulerscheZahl: seems that I solved it
eulerscheZahl: keep replacing the inner-most group by a single resistance
gtrkogvrko: ok thanks i ll try!
MSmits: hey guys, I optimized my meta mcts program for draws and went from 2 million nodes to 175k nodes on solving 7x5 C4. Still have to optimize the bot it's calling to play the games. That may give me another factor of 10 I think
Daredevil1902: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/db124ee0-35c6-4543-8f4c-6015856b00f6
jacek: the bot calling to play the games?
jacek: also, do you somehow remember the moves from inside the plays?
MSmits: i dont remember the moves from inside the plays. The bot being called to play the games is basically my c++ bot thats on the leaderboard
MSmits: so a C# windows forms gui program calls this bot and also manages the db
MSmits: i still need to optimize that c++ bot, working on it now.
jacek: just something i remember reading nested MCTS paper, that remembering sequencing moves from rollouts improved the bot
MSmits: how would that work?
MSmits: oh you mean played moves inside the rollout. there's only a few of those
jacek: probably something like rave
MSmits: yeah i guess some of that could be used.
jacek: https://www.lamsade.dauphine.fr/~cazenave/papers/nested.pdf
MSmits: thanks, I'll take a look
Drayble: DONT CLICK IT
Drayble: IT BROKE MY PC
Astrobytes: Drayble: Quit being an idiot please.
Drayble: ooo how'd you get your text red
Drayble: also my b
Astrobytes: Just type in a username and it will appear red for that user only
jacek: Drayble only mods can write in red
Astrobytes: back in your box jacek
MSmits: jacek-in-the-box ?
Atomcast: you guys suck dick
jacek: and dots
Astrobytes: Bye-bye Atomcast
_Anthony_: ok
WhoTho: he said hes very sorry for his actions and hes hope to improve on his behavior and has learned his lesson
Astrobytes: Tough luck he's banned.
WhoTho: :O
eulerscheZahl: where do all these trolls come from all of the sudden?
WhoTho: idk
Astrobytes: classrooms I think
WhoTho: actually ye we in chem rn
struct: sorry ill unban him
Astrobytes: Pay attention in chemistry. Especially organic chemistry. It's fun.
Drayble: yo chem is harder than i thought
WhoTho: the work the teacher assigned doesnt work
eulerscheZahl: did all the teachers decide to send their students to CG?
jacek: what you can do after organic chemistry :thinking:
Astrobytes: Make things
Drayble: blow things up
struct: is this the teacher job?
Drayble: through the scientific process
eulerscheZahl: there were classes coming in the past. but not that extreme
Astrobytes: oh some are worse
Drayble: in a controlled environment, of course
eulerscheZahl: maybe CGs growth strategy is working
struct: this is why im a mod
struct: to improve growth
Astrobytes: are they giving away sweets?
struct: by banning
Scarfield: its just pruning
Astrobytes: heh
eulerscheZahl: more bans => more 2nd accounts to keep trolling
jacek: hydra eh
Drayble: idk why ppl just make 2nd accts
Drayble: or troll in the first place
Drayble: such a waste of time
jacek: :zipper_mouth:
Scarfield: i think it was Ille who had someone keep making accounts with a counter in the end of his nickname
MSmits: Ille instructed someone to do that?
jacek: it was Automaton2000 's 1999 ancestors
Scarfield: xD, no i meant someone kept trolling him, the counter got rather high iirc
Automaton2000: i have no clue what my bot was trying to use the boost
MSmits: ahh ok
MSmits: who won the staring contest?
MSmits: I haven't seen ille in a while
eulerscheZahl: making new accounts is so noob level
eulerscheZahl: write a script that changes your nickname every few seconds to dodge bans
jacek: deleting ones is pro
eulerscheZahl: when the mod writes "/ban nickname", you are already somewhere else
julio11111111111111: w
jacek: he has high count
darkhorse64: this guy has been banned quit a lot of times
darkhorse64: quite
Scarfield: yea, the counter is in binary
MSmits: eulerscheZahl I would say make a script to change your name to add a random number so it can't be guessed what the next one is and then only change the name whenever you place a message in chat
MSmits: then they go by the name in chat and it's always different right
MSmits: more efficient too. No need to overload the servers just to troll
eulerscheZahl: you will still see the current name on mouse-over
eulerscheZahl: the chat name won't even update, caching...
MSmits: oh hmm, did not think of that
struct: just ban by id :)
eulerscheZahl: we can do that?
struct: no
Uljahn: just ban by subnet
eulerscheZahl: but i did other overheads in the past. like downloading all puzzle contributions including comments
eulerscheZahl: or playing top100 of each game vs self
MSmits: ah but that's for a good cause
eulerscheZahl: good thing that the game quota is per arena and not a global one
eulerscheZahl: when you are blocked from 1 game, you can continue with the next
struct: hmm, is it still like that?
eulerscheZahl: at least it was about 3 weeks ago
struct: ah so you are probably right
struct: I thought it was global for some reason
eulerscheZahl: side effect: the games on your start page are always different
DouglasBolden: haha
Wontonimo: more bans => more 2nd accounts => CG's num of reported users goes up => keep up the banning!
jacek: more suicides -> less suicides
MSmits: more is less?
xspeedasx: accurate but unacceptable
DouglasBolden: Spicy Comment
Someone.kt: Why the feck is Kotlin language assist never actually loads?
MSmits: real Kotlin heroes don't need assist
xspeedasx: they use iphone autocorrect
darkhorse64: they ask siri to write the code
jacek: they write in java and convert to kotlin
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ayeurgood: hii everyone im new!
ayeurgood: nice to meet u guys :D
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: nice to meet u too! I joined yesterday lol
ayeurgood: lets goo
ayeurgood: what program language are your primary ones?
struct: foxpro
jacek: java/kotlin for working, c++ for bot programming and python for... hmm
ayeurgood: i havent heard of that one woow
ayeurgood: i started with py and now learning js :D
ayeurgood: even though my collegue probably gonna teach us C# and java
ayeurgood: college*
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: onstely, the only language I know well is HTML/CSS, I am trying to learn java on freeCodeCamp but it is extremly difficult for me
ayeurgood: python kinda the ones im most familiar in i guess, ive been sticking to js more often though :o
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: (im 12)
ayeurgood: ohh i see, i started java also but its kinda difficult haha
jacek: how js is so popular :thinking:
ayeurgood: idk, i would guess that its used around the globe for websites stuff, also the core for web apps
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: I am interested in machine learning I wish I knew how to use it but I can't even get past the first game on the AI path
ayeurgood: i think you will come to it eventually :D
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: Thanks!:grinning:
ayeurgood: i just did like 2 clashes and im disappointed
ayeurgood: these questions kinda new and p difficult for me
jacek: clashes vary. better stick to the puzzles
eulerscheZahl: p difficult?
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: Im in class rn gtg bye!
ayeurgood: pretty difficult
ayeurgood: goodluck!
eulerscheZahl: so NP difficult?
jacek: yes, if P=NP
ayeurgood: yeah i guess, i cant solve them though
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: ok out of class anyone got suggestions on what language to learn after HTML&CSS mastery?
DouglasBolden: Go
DouglasBolden: or SQL
DouglasBolden: to use with your HTML
DouglasBolden: Python if you want to use all three together
DouglasBolden: and then Javascript to tie them all in.
gjjkdfcjnsjfn: thanks!
DouglasBolden: You are welcome.
TheBlueBias: :no_mouth:
Wontonimo: i don't agree gjjkdfcjnsjfn. if you are learning and already know html, javascript would be fun for you
Wontonimo: check out "the coding train" on youtube, he has tons of really really awesome content for beginners
jacek: (...) javascript would be fun (...) :scream:
**eulerscheZahl played a whole bot contest with JS
MSmits: which botcontest?
eulerscheZahl: yare
MSmits: pirates?
eulerscheZahl: yare
MSmits: YARRR!
eulerscheZahl: yare.io
MSmits: o
**eulerscheZahl slaps MSmits around a bit with a large fishbot
Wontonimo: jacek, I really think javascript is fun for people who already know HTML. Javascript allows them to add motion and actions to their html
TheBlueBias: And to add trackware, and stuffs :3
eulerscheZahl: or you use a big framework like blazor to get around JS
MSmits: make a button that moves away when people try to click it
jacek: like X in ad?
MSmits: sure
MSmits: this sort of thing helps keyboard manufacturers
Wontonimo: really, why are you all hating on JS so much? Do you really think Go + SQL like DouglasBolden suggested would be better for someone who only knows HTML+CSS ?
struct: js is allright
jacek: this is my usual js trolling
TimothyAlexisVass: I used to think JS was crap, then I learned it and now I think it's good.
Wontonimo: tbh, I had the same experience. I *HATED* it for 15 years.
Astrobytes: I've hated it for ~21 years and don't plan on stopping any time soon :P
Wontonimo: lol
bearnilu: lol
jacek: oO
DanteFromTheHitSeriesDevilMayCry: Haha Waahoo! Pizza!
Astrobytes: DanteFromTheHitSeriesDevilMayCry: Haha Wahoo! Keep talking crap and get a free kick!
DanteFromTheHitSeriesDevilMayCry: mega bummer dude
Amrhossam: I want to get a job as an iOS developer any thoughts ? I made several clone apps but what’s next
Wontonimo: apply for a job
AndoMcTavish: +1
Wontonimo: the 5 things that will help you get a job:
Wontonimo: knowing the right people and asking them for help
Wontonimo: job experience
Wontonimo: education
Wontonimo: ability to pass the interview
Wontonimo: actual technical ability (the lowest out of the 5)
Westicles: You'll never be a mod like that. You are supposed to tell him to click on 'GET A JOB'
Wontonimo: :( oh, my hopes and dreams are dashed
Wontonimo: get to know the right people by getting out IRL to tech meetups, keep a good relationship with teachers and profs, etc
jacek: meeting other people :scream:
Wontonimo: seriously, does anyone do that anymore?
eulerscheZahl: play contests, get the contact info of recruiters for free
eulerscheZahl: or just create a linkedIn profile i've been told
Westicles: I wonder why they decided to let individuals do the escape contest
eulerscheZahl: over 1000 teams of up to 6 players competed
Westicles: Ah, numbers again
Foxwizard5556: error code
Foxwizard5556: haha bertio
Illedan: Hello
Wontonimo: in uni when there was an option to go solo on group assignments, i'd always pick solo
Wontonimo: hmm... I've been doing that at work also now that I think about it
Wontonimo: :wave: Illedan
Illedan: I get more energy from working in a team.
darkhorse64: If team has any energy
Illedan: Yeah
eulerscheZahl: i think a team would be of advantage in the escape thing. different people have different ideas
eulerscheZahl: but there's also the saying "the only winning move is not to play"
Wontonimo: who says that?
jacek: the cold war people?
Wontonimo: oh, from War Games
Wontonimo: i really liked that movie
Wontonimo: totally forgot about it. what a pleasant memory. Thanks eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: i haven't seen the movie. I only know the quote
Wontonimo: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Wontonimo: :D
Wontonimo: i just watched a clip. the memory was better
struct: ive been doing ecapes rooms for weeks now to practice for the contest
Scarfield: they really shouldnt take weeks to escape from
jacek: welp :( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46765692
zeplul: never going to another escape room :smiley:
Astrobytes: jacek: damn dude that's awful
Astrobytes: jacek: also from 2019
Astrobytes: We need a Global Thermonuclear War game
Astrobytes: We've got TTT variants and chess
Astrobytes: Now we just need GTW, ofc authored by Dr. Falken
Saber-Tiger: 😢
PrivateCommitter_b940: 新手表示好难，题目都看不懂
MSmits: don't spoil the best opening moves for c4 please
struct: finally
struct: just what I needed to improve my bot
AllYourTrees: smits what'd you update in your latest C4 bot?!
jacek: its emergent intelligence
struct: I think he improved his bot AllYourTrees
AllYourTrees: :expressionless:
jacek: :upside_down:
struct: I think it was mostly his solver
jacek: TT
TheBlueBias: (╯°□°)╯︵ :)
struct: ah and that
jacek: he flipped the table?
AllYourTrees: _jacek when you train your value nn how many simulations per turn do you use during training?
jacek: mostly 200
struct: only 200?
jacek: yes, for most games
AllYourTrees: thats good to know cool
jacek: simulations, as in 200 iterations, as in 200 x selection, expansion, 'rollout', backpropagation
Jario_Productions: Hello
AllYourTrees: :thumbs_up:
struct: hi
TheFighter: yooo
TheFighter: tbh I think I'm the best coder here
AllYourTrees: me too, i've heard about you
TheFighter: yea, I always love meeting fans
DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: shutup bruh
DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: no one cares
DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: ole goofy boy
DanielAlejandroLoaizaMazuera: ole dick in the booty ass boy
TheFighter: Bro who do you think you are
TheFighter: Bro I bet you are so dumb
TheFighter: Don't even know how to code
TheFighter: Why you stop talking
struct: he is banned
TheFighter: oh damn
AllYourTrees: people on the internet are so weird
TheFighter: honestly
ipsissimus: lol that went 0-100 real quick
TheFighter: honestly. that dude thinks he is so cool, trying to beat a professional
ipsissimus: we all make mistakes in the heat of passion, jimbo
CristianHG: TheFighter you sound like someone who doesn't wash between their buttcheeks because they think it's gay
AllYourTrees: :thinking:
TheFighter: At least I'm not gay
CristianHG: "HoNeStLy. ThAt dUdE ThInKs hE Is sO CoOl, TrYiNg tO BeAt a pRoFeSsIoNaL"
TheFighter: Now you think you're cool
ipsissimus: some people just cant handle the neutron style
CristianHG: Well I'm gay and that statement is offensive
juandiegox17: I'm gay too
juandiegox17: Can you not be offensive, thank you
TheFighter: hahaha GAY
juandiegox17: ._.
juandiegox17: Please stop.
CristianHG: Please stop being a homophone
AllYourTrees: so how about that local sports team
Westicles: all these french smurfs pretending to be dumb americans
AllYourTrees: that game the other day phew
CristianHG: baguette
juandiegox17: I thought this place was cool with LBTG
juandiegox17: people
ipsissimus: as a dumb american im not impressed :nail_care:
juandiegox17: Didn't know this community was so unwelcoming.
CristianHG: As a dUmB AmErIcAn iM NoT ImPrEsSeD :nAiL_CaRe:
Scarfield: Astrobytes, struct pls
CristianHG: 🍆
CristianHG: wowwww
Astrobytes: struct that was the wrong guy (first one)
ipsissimus: chat going mega hamm today
Astrobytes: oh wait no
Astrobytes: or maybe
TheBlueBias: Yeah Westicles, there's enough dumb americans without adding fakes...
struct: maybe
TheFighter: Just like the gender you're supposed to, it's not that hard
struct: I guess he can email cg
struct: idc too much tbh
Astrobytes: This crap annoys me so much.
Astrobytes: It also puts people off from participating in the chat.
Scarfield: yea, today has been bad, but ty guys
TheBlueBias: Chat is peaceful when there's nobody on. Coincidence? I don't think so! Ban everybody Astrobytes!
Astrobytes: TheBlueBias: :rofl:
Wontonimo: not even a keyword list for auto-moderation eh?
Astrobytes: Primitive webchat man
Scarfield: hey be nice to wonto
Scarfield: :p
struct: ban Wontonimo
struct: ah missed a /
struct: you are lucky
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: Scarfield: ffs, OK OK lol
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: it's a primitive webchat, man
Scarfield: I enjoyed that more than i should
Astrobytes: Friday mood eh :D
Scarfield: ye :) but why did i start with locam again
Astrobytes: lol, only you can answer that
jacek: lolcam?
Ethan....: i wrote the worst code possible, it was just .replace ;(
Wontonimo: if it was just replace and it passed the validation, then I'd say it's pretty good
Wontonimo: lol Astrobytes
5922: Why does it seem as though some of the answers that I'm presented to rate don't show up in the published list?
struct: o.o
5922: I saw a really strange one and wanted to find it, but I can't seem to.
Wontonimo: have you solved that language for that puzzle?
5922: I am pretty sure it was a Java solution, but it did look rather strange, which is what made me look for it. Perhaps it was another language, though.
5922: Are the solutions presented not always in a language for which you have provided a solution?
jacek: you can see answers for the language you solved it
5922: Yea, I solved it in Java and was presented three solutions to rate before viewing the published solutions.
5922: I don't see one of the ones that I rated in list of published solutions.
Scarfield: that must be some new feature, havent seen that before
jacek: i saw that rating feature, but i dont know when do they come from
struct: rate my c4 please
jacek: :bomb:
jacek: darn, im gonna browse through the c4 memes once again
Fabricioo: ???
Scarfield: ill rate your c4 10/336
MSmits: struct, I got my solve for 7x5 C4 down from 2 million nodes to 93k
struct: o.o
MSmits: over 20x faster
MSmits: because of the optimization for draws
struct: how much time does it take now?
MSmits: i didnt time it, i just look at nodecount
MSmits: but it's fast, around 15-30 mins
MSmits: was a full morning before
MSmits: but that's 7x5 ofc, not particularly big. I solved 4x11 earlier, that took longer
struct: ofc but the improvement should also help ther other ones
MSmits: yeah, especially the ones that are solved as draw
MSmits: 9x7 is not solved as draw, but with the steal move it is
MSmits: (I am guessing)
jacek: its not solve until you solve it
MSmits: i am trying the smaller sizes first though.
jacek: whats the biggest you solved
MSmits: currently the normal c4, so 7x6.
jacek: and is 9x7 within reasonable scope?
MSmits: 4x11 has more cells though
MSmits: but is easier to solve
jacek: but only 4 moves
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: 9x7 seems within reason, if within reason is months. That is my guess
struct: months?
struct: damn
jacek: amazon aws it is then
struct: yeah just rent 128 threads server
jacek: and mine c4 coins
Westicles: ^^ the french have reported you can get at unpublished solutions through that ranking thing
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/NtfIwvT
MSmits: trying to replicate: https://tromp.github.io/c4/c4.html
MSmits: so far it matches
struct: are you using 128bit?
MSmits: 2x 64 bit
struct: ah you are using msvc
struct: I forgot
MSmits: doesn't matter though, i don't think the 128 bit is faster. It's the same as using a struct prolly
struct: yeah
struct: do you use avx?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I know i should probably compile it with a different compiler for 10-20% speed up
MSmits: but I am not installing linux or some such
jacek: intel?
struct: well you really just needed to enable wsl 2 :p
MSmits: wsl 2?
struct: windows subsystem for linux
MSmits: meh
struct: basicly you have linux on your windows
MSmits: whenever i touch things like that it goes wrong
struct: yeah I guess its always a risk
MSmits: gonna try for 7x7 now
MSmits: maybe finish it overnight if possible
struct: i give it 45 minutes
MSmits: no way, it's much much longer
MSmits: 7x5 was up to 30 mins
MSmits: John says it's a draw as well
struct: 7*5 = 35 - 5 = 30
7*7 = 49 - 5 = 44
struct: my math checks out
MSmits: lol
MSmits: if only that were true, then i could d 9x7 in an hour :P
MSmits: btw, i tested it for a normal bot too. It solves faster if you improve the solver function. It didn't help to touch the selection function
MSmits: I tried not selecting children that already have a drawn child
MSmits: it worked for the meta mcts, 20% improvement, but in a normal bot the slowdown hurt too much i guess
struct: why?
struct: cant a node with a draw child still be a win?
MSmits: yes, i mean i still select it, but as a lower priority. So only if all children have one
struct: ah ok
jacek: draw child means opponent has at least draw
jacek: so no win
MSmits: no but the opponent can win
MSmits: i skip it because the player can only draw and lose with that node
struct: jacek but one of the other childs that is not solved can be a win for you
jacek: then opponent would choose the draw
MSmits: you guys are confusing the child layer with the grandchild layer
MSmits: which is why you disagree
jacek: if youre talking about nodes, children of parent node are opponent's moves
struct: yeah but if only one of those children is solved as a draw
struct: maybe the opponent has one that is still a win?
jacek: then its lose for me eh
struct: oh
struct: I see
struct: im wrong sorry
MSmits: i usually see child nodes as player moves and grandchildren as opponent moves
MSmits: the current parent node is always an opponent move for me
MSmits: root node = opponent move
MSmits: maybe a matter of definition
struct: yeah i was confusing it a bit
struct: this new solve thing confuses me a bit
MSmits: it is pretty complicated. I can't explain it well with a drawing
MSmits: without
struct: yeah I get how it works
jacek: try with pseudocode
struct: readable pseudocode
jacek: woah imagine paying for that
Scarfield: if (!win)
{loss}
MSmits: just simplified the code a bit (hopefully not introducing bugs)
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/24289be2-c11b-49e0-bae5-10a61c03e6af
MSmits: that has the optimization
MSmits: i keep "hasDraw" on the node
MSmits: to keep track a node has a child that is a draw
passionisNOTmymiddlename: what knowledge will i need to know about coding (python related) i know indexes,input,strings,lists and and variables
MSmits: conditions and loops
MSmits: functions are helpful
MSmits: at some point, also classes
MSmits: you can avoid classes in many puzzles though
passionisNOTmymiddlename: i think i know classes
MSmits: did you use def ?
MSmits: and "for i in range(x):"
MSmits: and "if, elif, else"
passionisNOTmymiddlename: what is def
MSmits: a function
MSmits: it's easy enough to learn
passionisNOTmymiddlename: oh ok
MSmits: do you know the other 2 i mentioned?
MSmits: the for and the if/.\
MSmits: you absolutely need those
passionisNOTmymiddlename: am learning if
passionisNOTmymiddlename: statements
MSmits: ah ok, loops soon too
Uljahn: also dictionaries, sets, list comprehension, maybe generator expressions
Wontonimo: passionisNOTmymiddlename , if you are still on , here is a nice python practice resource https://www.hackinscience.org/exercises/
struct: nice Wontonimo
TechnoBot: hi
bsemagn: lol
TechnoBot: brb
Wontonimo: i'm back
struct: wb
Wontonimo: wb? i know not this code you use
struct: welcome back
Wontonimo: ah. it's an old code, but it is still valid i see
Wontonimo: let me guess, nothing happened since i left
struct: dont think so
struct: at least that I noticed
Westicles: Alec Baldwin killed somebody...
struct: I saw that
struct: with a prop gun right?
Westicles: I guess. So *something* happened
_Cerulean_: cojones
aaron9753: where should a new coder start? im kind of lost..
Wontonimo: hey, what programming language are you going to start on?
Wontonimo: aaron9753, have you done the onboarding challenge yet? https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/onboarding
aaron9753: c# was what im going for, looking to get into game design
Wontonimo: that's cool (there's no money in it, but it's cool)
aaron9753: i have not tried that one
Wontonimo: I love making games. just never made made even 1$ at it
aaron9753: yea its hard unless with a corp. kinda sucks right now lmao
Wontonimo: try the onboarding challenge I sent you. choose C# as the lang
aaron9753: Thank you!!
Wontonimo: tell me how easy/hard that was once you are done
aaron9753: super easy, it had me copy it in lol
Wontonimo: okay, cool. glad to hear
Wontonimo: next up is .... i can't remember ... the one where you help Captin Kirk ... anyone ?
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/the-descent
Wontonimo: this is it.
Wontonimo: give this a try
aaron9753: ahh okay, Thank you:D
Wontonimo: how's it going aaron9753 on 'the descent"?
aaron9753: still a working, im still, uhhhhhh, novice at best lmao
Wontonimo: no problem
Wontonimo: if this one is giving you trouble, then this site is probably too hard right now. I'll DM you with more info
aaron9753: i was stuck on this one yesterday. I think this is probably too advanced
ipsissimus: can anyone link me the archive of the puzzles?
Smelty: hi
ipsissimus: i just ran out of time on a CoC and i really wanna finish it
Thorcode: nice
Smelty: can someone join team :c
Smelty: https://escape.codingame.com/events/t4z-VTs-KDG-mhg/registration?join=Z0b-5tY-MXl-HGZ
Thorcode: sorry I have my own team
Thorcode: and you can solo
Thorcode: Smelty do you want to join my team
ipsissimus: hey python question.
ipsissimus: if i have
for element in number:
h.append(int(element) + int(number[n]))
print(*h)
ipsissimus: what does the * actually do
ipsissimus: i cant seem to pin down the behavior
Thorcode: is h is list?
ipsissimus: yes
ipsissimus: i know it unpacks it somehow but what are the rules of unpacking
ipsissimus: because it doesnt seem to work in every context
Thorcode: what does it print?
ipsissimus: it prints each element space separated
ipsissimus: in this case
Thorcode: I think that take the element in h list
ipsissimus: ive also seen it used for unpacking iterator objects like generators
ipsissimus: but like i said im not sure how it works exactly
Thorcode: ipsissimus thanks for that new "*" i learn something about it on the internet
ipsissimus: i still dont know how to use it correctly for anything that isnt a list
ipsissimus: :thinking:
Wontonimo: afaik it is just for lists
ipsissimus: well ive seen some witchcraft in these solutions that are definitely not list usages
KayKay1202: Hey anyone still here
KayKay1202: Lol
Wontonimo: nope. definitely not
KayKay1202: Hah
ipsissimus: gone fishing
KayKay1202: Ipsissimus I ;rivet texted you
KayKay1202: *private
lol5: lol
