chimichangas: I have no clue what im doing
RAPU: de donde son
IfIHadATail: if you are just starting out we all felt the same way : )
Wontonimo: gn struct
RAPU: java
IfIHadATail: if there is in anything in particular we can help you out with please ask
RAPU: codigos para estudiar saben
RAPU: los que mas utilisan
Wontonimo: English here please RAPU
Wontonimo: there are other channels if your would like to speak with another language like #FR
Wontonimo: Spanish is #ES maybe?
Wontonimo: El canal español es #ES RAPU
Thorcode: It think it is france
Thorcode: oh spanish
Wontonimo: the previous place I worked, I had to write something that guessed the language someone spoke in chat and do an Auto Translate, profanity and sentiment analysis for the moderator
LinkAzoiD: spaceship
Wontonimo: landrover
Thorcode: that why you know it Wontonimo
Wontonimo: :sunglasses:
Wontonimo: hey LinkAzoiD :wave:
dndgsdFBD: 한화의 김성근 감독님 사랑해
dndgsdFBD: ㅖㅖㅖ ㅖㅖㅖ ㅖㅖㅖ ㅖㅖㅖ
leyaleyaleya: hello i'm a first year college what i learned about the information technology in short IT hehe i want to learned about any programming
jacek: :+1:
TheBlueBias: Oo
kaaaas: hi
kaaaas: :grinning:
ghr4l: hey
TechnoBot: hi
TechnoBot: ghr4l
ghr4l: hi tech
kmostafa: wanna battle?
J.Sej: kto z polski soj i pisze 123
Thorcode: what do you want to say ? J.Sej
derjack: i dont know
XenoDuck: I"m completely new to coding and hesitating between python, c++ and javascript. I want to be an electronic engineer, which language do you guys recommend?
Uljahn: not js
XenoDuck: lol ok thanks
XenoDuck: I guess I'll start with python since it seems easier than c++
TheBlueBias: not python
XenoDuck: bruh
XenoDuck: why
Uljahn: python is ok for EE
Uljahn: im EE myself
XenoDuck: oooo
XenoDuck: and what do you think I should learn first? ofc I will learn other languages later too
derjack: python EE?
Uljahn: if you start with c++, your knowledge would be much deeper
XenoDuck: ok
XenoDuck: I will take your advice
XenoDuck: thanks man
Thorcode: I start with Python first then will learn C++
Uljahn: also for engineering in python you should consider lerning scipy and numpy
Uljahn: *learning
XenoDuck: sounds interesting
XenoDuck: I'll see what scipy and numpy do and then choose
Uljahn: that's where c++ and python blend together
Thorcode: how could this code check harshard number
Thorcode: print('ftarlusee'[int(N:=input())%sum(map(int,N))<1::2])
Thorcode: do you know how it work Uljahn?
Uljahn: yes
Uljahn: walrus operator and slicing
Thorcode: alot of new knowledge
Thorcode: 'ftarlusee' what does this do?
Uljahn: it takes even or odd chars from the string
Uljahn: so you get false or true
Thorcode: oh I was think that it print ftarlusee
Uljahn: that's what slicing is for
Thorcode: oh thanks Uljahn
Thorcode: to do that my code was long :))
Thorcode: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9e9f42cc-7bb6-479d-a2c3-335a14d96110
TechnoBot: brb
TechnoBot: i just joind
TechnoBot: ok
TechnoBot: im leaving
Thorcode: ?
Uljahn: TechnoBot: pls no need to be annoying here, it's a warning
baghead420bagboi: how many of you use this website at school or at home ?
Archopecia: I mostly use it when I'm at work and need a little break
baghead420bagboi: because i just discovered this website out of boredom in ict class
derjack: you searched for boredeom and found this site?
niluthebear: oO
Roody: L
struct: hi
niluthebear: hey
eulerscheZahl: a new survey showing on the start page :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: "Do you hire developers as part of your job?"
I wonder where this is going
struct: i only had to answer 2 questions
eulerscheZahl: recruiter? no
developer? no
struct: yes
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1wuj3bq
someone didn't verify what i'm doing
eulerscheZahl: what's a "low-code platform"?
eulerscheZahl: they give examples but i've never heard about any of them
struct: lol
eulerscheZahl: clicking a few checkboxes to get your webpage instead of writing code it seems
Marchete: working remote a challenge?
Marchete: damn I wish
eulerscheZahl: they just keep calling me
eulerscheZahl: and tomorrow i'll even go to office
eulerscheZahl: already the 4th time this year
Marchete: wow, 4 times
Marchete: in 10 months
Marchete: monsters!
dreadylein: unreasonable
dreadylein: :D
derjack: fruit day?
Westicles: people are still working from home? that's insane
eulerscheZahl: "You're over halfway through! Have a GIF break"
struct was much faster than me :(
Wontonimo: i quit at that point
eulerscheZahl: "Which positions do you think will be most sought-after in 2022?"
how shall I know?
derjack: 69
Marchete: going to office, connect to Microsoft to work on cloud, priceless
Marchete: that's like solving "The descent" with a NN, it works
Marchete: but a waste of resources and overly complicated
Wontonimo: :D
Wontonimo: there should be a badge for that.
Solved 5 puzzles with unnecessarily complicated code
Westicles: keeping people afraid to leave home for 5% of their adult life... priceless
derjack: look for onboarding NN codes
eulerscheZahl: hey, they've finally learned not to use checkboxes to ask for your salary, where one ends at X and the other starts at X+1000 (like 41k-60k, 61k-80k, 81k-100k)
eulerscheZahl: nvm. i thought it's free text but it turned into a dropdown
Marchete: Hmm, I picked the "I hire tech ppl" at the survey, too many questions :S
Marchete: and I hire 1 each 2 years :D
Wontonimo: that's not ppl, that's "person".
Wontonimo: i made the same mistake Marchete
eulerscheZahl: couldn't resist and created a bug report on discord
TheBlueBias: It's very disappointing to still see you contributing to their data masquerade... :disappointed:
Marchete: hmmmkay :D
eulerscheZahl: was curious if it's on a relevant topic, not to fuel their next poor choice. but turned out to be unrelated I think
eulerscheZahl: so i just told them that I prefer whiteboard interviews
derjack: over blackboard ones?
Uljahn: nice data poisoning
Marchete: CG:"Here, you have a full featured platform, ad free"
Marchete: You:"Cool"
eulerscheZahl: i'm really fine with pen and paper coding
Marchete: CG:"Can you fill a survey"
Marchete: You:"NO"
TheBlueBias: Neumann, give back his account to Marchete...
eulerscheZahl: that wasn't even a troll answer
Marchete: do you prefer whiteboard?
Wontonimo: i do
diddykong69: I prefer blackboard
eulerscheZahl: leads to more discussion I think
eulerscheZahl: on the other hand: i have little to no experience with interviews
Marchete: in my experience, ppl with shitty CV are outstanding sometimes
eulerscheZahl: only had a single job interview in my entire life. and that wasn't too technical as it was for a training during the Bachelor studies. Then I just stayed there
Marchete: I did many job interviews as recruiter. Two guys that I plain would have rejected by CV turned out to be the best
TheBlueBias: Concerning the survey, even if I didn't have "problems" with CG, I will not answer knowing how the collected data are used...
Marchete: one had "construction worker" as prior experience...
Marchete: post a rant on Facebook about that, TheBlueBias
TheBlueBias: Social networks...
eulerscheZahl: it will be used for a lengthy report with lots of charts
eulerscheZahl: and shared via twitter, email, ...
as always with these survery
eulerscheZahl: surveys
Marchete: so.. a survey?
Marchete: sounds like one
TheBlueBias: Yeah and without any contextualization. And openly distributed, shared and quoted by a bunch of management and rh sites...
TheBlueBias: Like each years. Taking any digit as a fact...
tukyiytgblen: нвтва
Marchete: btw talking about privacy, how comes that Germany doesn't have google street, eulerscheZahl?
TheBlueBias: Well, of course it's a problem only if you consider misinformation as a problem... :smirk:
tukyiytgblen: i from Russia
tukyiytgblen: xtbhcjynvkumligh
derjack: oO
wisa7: 57не6гн
111333444: ffgfhfgffg
wisa7: оголг
wisa7: глнлгн
wisa7: л
111333444: ghjgjgj
111333444: gjhjhjghj
111333444: jghj
tukyiytgblen: негр получил 2
111333444: gj
Marchete: ./banhammer
111333444: k
111333444: k
eulerscheZahl: oh sorry
tukyiytgblen: шок
eulerscheZahl: that one too?
TheBlueBias: Your fault Marchete... You speak about privacy, KGB attack...
eulerscheZahl: Germany has google street view
eulerscheZahl: just lots of citizens who wanted to pixelate their house
1234567890098765421: кто прочитал тот лох
eulerscheZahl: stop it
struct: we need numbers
**TheBlueBias slaps struct around a bit with a large 5%.
TheBlueBias: Here your are
eulerscheZahl: can't find it anymore. but there was a newpaper article with a few locals standing in front of their house and protesting against streetview. and of course they gave an interview to the newspaper and their full names were mentioned too
eulerscheZahl: that irony
struct: lol
Marchete: I enter on Google Maps, and Germany is "out" something like that https://bigthink.com/the-present/germany-street-view/
struct: same for me
eulerscheZahl: it's mostly the big cities indeed, lots of protests
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMFBuHsKXb0
german satire show
Marchete: no, I tried to "travel" from other countries with google street, I can't
struct: maybe only germans have access to it
Marchete: even highways with no buildings near :thinking:
Marchete: could be
TheBlueBias: The car was going to fast to take photo on the highways. :p
eulerscheZahl: can you see this? it's my old school
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.4631102,11.0853026,3a,75y,127.34h,89.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJERUin42a6AU1pSYFqiSEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
struct: yes
Marchete: yeah. some cities work
Plus_Ultra_My_Hero_Academia: need help coding big noob
eulerscheZahl: https://3dcad.websharecloud.com/?v=pv&t=p:default,c:panoramaview,h:f,m:t&pv=pv1&pv1=vt:p,u:a5d6a02a-4fea-4c35-8794-49584fbfaf06,cf:47.36,dh:f,st:f,p:0.13035,t:-0.82264&p=hanssachsgymnasium
the school with the swastika floor pattern
Marchete: lol
eulerscheZahl: to be fair the floor is older than that dark part of history
Marchete: and it's too subtle, just some geometrical illusion to me
Marchete: I could have been there years and I wouldn't notice it
eulerscheZahl: look me a few years and a classmate to notice myself
wisa7: 4
TimothyAlexisVass: How is 76x0 e6x0 96x0 46x0 f6x0 36x0 "coding" ?
eulerscheZahl: i think you should elaborate more on your question
TheBlueBias: How is python "coding"?
TimothyAlexisVass: What is 75x0? I know 0x76 would be 118 in Base10
eulerscheZahl: 75 * 0 is 0 i would say
eulerscheZahl: read the whole thing backwards?
eulerscheZahl: 0x57
TheBlueBias: Even knowing it I don't see any swastika...
Thorcode: I know 0x76 would be 118 in Base10
how this happend?
eulerscheZahl: oh yeah it's backwards. i just solved your reverse
TimothyAlexisVass: It's not
eulerscheZahl: it is
eulerscheZahl: >>> s='76x0 e6x0 96x0 46x0 f6x0 36x0'
>>> s[::-1]
'0x63 0x6f 0x64 0x69 0x6e 0x67'
eulerscheZahl: and convert that
TimothyAlexisVass: ....
Thorcode: convert to?
niluthebear: hex
eulerscheZahl: ASCII chars
niluthebear: ord
TimothyAlexisVass: That's really strange because that's what I tried and it was wrong. But I must have done a typo or something.
eulerscheZahl: .join(chr(x) for x in eval(s[::-1].replace(' ',',')))
eulerscheZahl: assuming s holds the input
Thorcode: oh ok
eulerscheZahl: returns 'coding' as demanded
eulerscheZahl: ezpz as a certain someone would say
TimothyAlexisVass: lmnsqz
Manjius: in python, what is happening when you do
vs
x = something
TheBlueBias: one more char
Uljahn: search for "packing and unpacking in python"
Manjius: i see i see, ty
TheBlueBias: Didn't know uljahn was an alias for man... Or is it google? :thinking:
Thorcode: palindrome substrings what is this
Scarfield: palindrome is a string that has the same characters written backwards
Scarfield: abba, lol, asdfdsa
Uljahn: guess it could mean a substring of a palindrome or a substring being a palindrome itself, need more context
Thorcode: oh
Marchete: lol now coders strike back is renamed to "Mad Pod Race"
Marchete: MadKnight's honorific name :rofl:
struct: power of thor cover was updated
eulerscheZahl: :(
struct: damn they are also updating the art of all?
eulerscheZahl: yes
struct: tron is now line racing
eulerscheZahl: titles are just the first step
eulerscheZahl: and csb
TheBlueBias: They could put Blaise's Lines
Astrobytes: Tron should be Illuminated Bicycles
eulerscheZahl: but you are crossing them too often, doesn't fit the game mechanics
Miki09: Why has been csb renamed?
eulerscheZahl: the empire strikes back
Miki09: ok
Miki09: :)
Astrobytes: What about Chuck Norris?
eulerscheZahl: thibaud shared a long list, i don't even remember all the entries
Marchete: Who? Nuck Chorris?
TheBlueBias: Chuck Norris isn't copyrighted. The copyright is chuck-norrised
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/updates-of-old-puzzles-and-games/193102
and the emoji spammer is back. by his standards it's really civil this time
Miki09: But the link for csb still stays https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back
Astrobytes: yeah saw that earlier, notable by restrained use of emojis
struct: who's is the emoji spammer?
eulerscheZahl: this guy https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/codingame-fall-challenge-2021-details-please/191792/9
Marchete: :thumbsup::regional_indicator_t::regional_indicator_h::regional_indicator_a::regional_indicator_n::regional_indicator_k::regional_indicator_s:
Manjius: i like him :relaxed: he seems :eye: fun :clap::tongue::nail_care:
Thorcode: ok
eulerscheZahl: oh, BTC and ETH climbing again
3141948: * id useful sometimes when i need to unpack tuples to pass arguments to functions.
3141948: is
eulerscheZahl: and ID can also be useful
3141948: Yes if you abuse of globals in your functions
Thorcode: how to delete the last space?
Thorcode: in python
Thorcode: print (n-1, end = ' ')
Thorcode: for this code
3141948: Rtrim()?
Thorcode: thánks
Thorcode: how to use that
Thorcode: only the last space
3141948: "string ".rtrim() ?
Thorcode: thanks
TheBlueBias: rtfm...
Astrobytes: Perhaps you should look at the documentation Thorcode
Marchete: Tron -> Line Racing
Thorcode: str.trim())
Thorcode: nicest for me
Marchete: I suggest: Wondev woman -> Female person who codes
Thorcode: but how to do that in my code
3141948: 👍
Marchete: totally abject names :D
TheBlueBias: F**** woke...
Thorcode: print(n-1, end = ' ') and plus trim
Makea84: several possible solutions, using built-in functions, using loops...
Thorcode: nvm
Thorcode: I got it
3141948: Print(n -1, end=' ')?
Makea84: if you just want to delete the last white space, best to use lastIndexOf for example
JHBonarius: ola
Scarfield: hi
Astrobytes: wow, long time Mr Bonarius
JHBonarius: yep. been in a rollercoaster
TheBlueBias: In clojure?
Astrobytes: I remember you having some personal issues yes
JHBonarius: insanity yes. sick/disability, divorce, moving twice, fired, reintegration, new job. money issues. insanity
JHBonarius: forgot depression xD anyhow. doing way better now
Astrobytes: It never rains, it pours, right
JHBonarius: How's the C++ compiler nowadays. C++20 support yet?
Astrobytes: Glad to hear it
Astrobytes: Not yet lol
JHBonarius: yeah, I figured.
jacek: https://i.redd.it/k0w2ybu0ohu71.jpg
TheBlueBias: In fact eulerscheZahl you were right. Looking carefully there's a lot of them! :scream: https://imgur.com/a/1MdGYqW
JHBonarius: I'm now working as a C# programmer. Compile times are great, but also much not so great stuff
Goblin_Dev: Someone please give me the solution to 'The descent'
JHBonarius: Hahaha, people still asking for solutions in chat
Goblin_Dev: I got a lead dev next to me who can't solve it either
TheBlueBias: :rofl:
Goblin_Dev: so yeah, 'beginner' level
JHBonarius: So, I was away for like 2 years? More? Are there any good writeups on using ML?
jacek: i.e. alphazero oware?
Astrobytes: Must be about that yeah. Yep. There's some in the forum, some on tech.io, ML is currently in fashion here
TheBlueBias: As contests.
dreadylein: @Goblin_Dev maybe its less the coding and more the physics ?
JHBonarius: @Goblin_Dev "Lead dev" doesn't say much. In my experience it's the guy that doesn't move on to a next job and automatically gets promoted to that position
eulerscheZahl: wow TheBlueBias. I don't even remember those
Astrobytes: afk for a bit, someone link JHBonarius with some of the ML/NN articles please
JHBonarius: @Goblin_Dev there's a link to a "Let's play" on YT in the description
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game
eulerscheZahl: start here JHBonarius
TheBlueBias: Well the board is pretty suspect too, if you want my opinion eulerscheZahl... :spy:
eulerscheZahl: i noticed
JHBonarius: Thanks! :upside_down: :thumbsdown:
eulerscheZahl: but that's not music related at all
TheBlueBias: Didn't find how to integrate 3rd Reich March on imgur, sorry... :(
eulerscheZahl: it didn't upload with that?
JHBonarius: Anybody know under what name Remi Coulom is going on CodinGame? It's not kayufu
eulerscheZahl: crazy_remi
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/dots-and-boxes/leaderboard
- 4 here
JHBonarius: I heard/saw him recommending CG on CppCast ep319
JHBonarius: thx
eulerscheZahl: you missed so much
eulerscheZahl: also no bot contest this time
eulerscheZahl: there's this new concept: escape rooms
JHBonarius: yeah. I had "other things" :rolling_eyes:
eulerscheZahl: i read that. sorry to hear, get well
JHBonarius: I also see certification. Is that some job hunting thing?
eulerscheZahl: no idea
**TheBlueBias try not to laugh.
TheBlueBias: :3
nacho.code.ar: hi, i have some issue here, can someone help me?
eulerscheZahl: clicked a bit on the quest map. and later of they added these certificates that clutter your profile
Marchete: I'm above that legend guy on D&B :sunglasses:
nacho.code.ar: someone attempts MIME types challenges?
JHBonarius: haha, I strated one of the test. They're terrible.
eulerscheZahl: i still haven't
TheBlueBias: You laughed first. You lose!
eulerscheZahl: how do they look like?
JHBonarius: "Let's consider the following sequence of digits where all natural numbers from 1 onwards show up in order." And then shows a range with 0's in it
3141948: > I also see certification. Is that some job hunting thing?
CG certifications can be added to your linked profile, which permits me to make recruiters notice where to find me...
TheBlueBias: 10min max in a language you don't know eulerscheZahl.
TheBlueBias: Coc level
eulerscheZahl: i'm just not interested it giving it a try
eulerscheZahl: not the part of the platform that i'm here for
JHBonarius: You also get "n" as input, which you should use to index an array. But it doesn't tell you how you get the array
JHBonarius: it's impossible to answer
TheBlueBias: Well, I don't allow myself to criticize something I don't know, so I tested and listened to feedbacks before mocking it... :smirk:
jacek: but did you pass
TheBlueBias: Of course.
TheBlueBias: I'm "Better than 99% of the pros" in python... :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: Stilgart should scrape the API to see how many users are >99%
TheBlueBias: :3
TheBlueBias: First who're the "pros"
JHBonarius: Seriously. How can I determine the value in a set of 5000 digits, if they don't give me the digits?! Who made these tests?
TheBlueBias: Can you share a pic JHBonarius?
JHBonarius: It's against the rules of the test... Already sharing text here is on the edge...
eulerscheZahl: who reads those rules?
eulerscheZahl: but yeah, you are right. then don't share it
TheBlueBias: If the "pros" are the users who checked "I'm a professional" when registering, that's once again, a valuable statistics. :p
eulerscheZahl: and the 99% worse than you are the ones who didn't take the test?
MohamedMiri: Hello , i need some help to create some activities to new students in university , IRL! , plz contact me
eulerscheZahl: let them do the quicksort dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWBy6J5gz8
TheBlueBias: Or the person who took the test. :thinking:
TheBlueBias: Remember this one
TheBlueBias: ^^
TheBlueBias: Anyway, I really don't understand
MohamedMiri: hhhhh no one will dance , i wont . Some simple activitiess !
TheBlueBias: No certification authority, and no difficulty, except some input/statement problems as JHBonarius said, so what's the value of this "certifications"?
LidiaParker: >><
Makea84: Certification is a way to assure the knowledge, but not an international company certificate it in this case, not the same as Microsoft, CISCO, Oracle or other companies/institutions...
eulerscheZahl: i thought it's something that you know you are connected to the right website
Marchete: ..and they earn $$$ with that, too
eulerscheZahl: the thing you see when you click the lock icon in your address bar
Marchete: certification here: "this guy knows, I tell you"
JHBonarius: only if it's certification by an acknowledge authority. CG isn't that. And with these kinds of questions, I don't expect them to be that
Marchete: lol
eulerscheZahl: i know. I have a basic AWS certification. if it hasn't expired yet
Marchete: I have ITIL, yes, my company went crazy
Marchete: and paid me that course+cert!
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know what that means
JHBonarius: I recently got a MS C# certification. The quality of those questions wasn't great either... asking really old stuff, whichj nobody uses anymore
Marchete: other than that, zero cert/courses
eulerscheZahl: like ArrayList and HashMap? or a bit newer at least?
Makea84: im just CISCO CNA, but have will try LPIC and OCAP
JHBonarius: almost
JHBonarius: Is the C++ STL still compiled without optimizations here?
eulerscheZahl: pass extra arguments with the "out" keyword. what are named tuples?
eulerscheZahl: yes, use pragmas and code your own containers
JHBonarius: out isn't all bad. Things like int.TryParse still use that. It's not the best, but it has it's purpose
eulerscheZahl: i would dare to day: if MS would define a TryParse today with modern C#, it would have a different signature
JHBonarius: Would it? it's nice to use it this way in conditional statements
eulerscheZahl: hm, you can declare the out variable in place now. maybe it wouldn't :thinking:
JHBonarius: oh great, the CG editor has automatic " and ' completion. that will take some getting used to
eulerscheZahl: Monaco editor now
Marchete: why are you that mad? I thought you were a veteran her at CG...
eulerscheZahl: the same that's used in VS code
Marchete: here*
eulerscheZahl: just use your local IDE and copy-paste
JHBonarius: i'm not mad? I'm just getting used to something different
eulerscheZahl: the cars here are mad
Makea84: love cars competition
Makea84: hahahaa
eulerscheZahl: i was referring to "mad pod racing"
Makea84: me too
eulerscheZahl: oh, can't read nvm
Makea84: So funny
eulerscheZahl: "car compilations" is what I read
eulerscheZahl: thinking of Russian dash cams
Makea84: hahahaha lol, well im trying to type in english, but im spanish
Marchete: Madknight can be in both
Makea84: in fact we have created a simulated competition about cars, we challenge each other in a tournament mode
jacek: try search race
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/search-race
Westicles: MKPR?
Westicles: I wonder if the estate of the Strugatsky brothers might sue over my clash titles...
jacek: oO
TheBlueBias: Don't do that jacek. Have you seen your wordcloud?
jacek: the what
jacek: Automaton2000 what is wordcloud
Automaton2000: so if they are good
TheBlueBias: https://imgur.com/a/uhvUffM
jacek: oh my
TheBlueBias: See that big oO that's watching you?
Westicles: I thought the huh would be bigger
jacek: no eeyup?
TheBlueBias: Only jacek logs in this one.
Astrobytes: it's there
Astrobytes: inside the 'm' of 'game'
TheBlueBias: Tried it on the fr chat logs, and that's totaly boring. Anyone has the same bigger words. Too much "little words" in French... Everybody has "de", "et", "le" or such things on top...
JHBonarius: whoa! storm outside!
TheBlueBias: While it's outside...
Astrobytes: It would be far more disturbing were it inside
jacek: maybe
TheBlueBias: Lightning stroke my electric installation some years ago... First (and last) time I saw a flying phone...
jacek: .O
JHBonarius: whahaha, it's really been too long... I was wondering why I got so many errors on compiling... turns out I was using gcc instead of g++. :joy:
Erkus: ;.
TheBlueBias: Hmm. Astrobytes say "Yeah" "lol" and ":D" most of the time... :3
Erkus: ;
TheMadWalrus: erksu
TheMadWalrus: ersus
Erkus: AYO
TheMadWalrus: erkSUS
TheMadWalrus: YOU'RE SUS
struct: stop spamming
TheMadWalrus: KID
Erkus: SUSSY BAKA?
TheMadWalrus: sus!!!
Astrobytes: TheBlueBias: Yeah lol :D
TheBlueBias: You're the third most talkative also.
Scarfield: only third, gotta pump those numbers
Astrobytes: don't remember what position I was when eulerscheZahl did it last time
struct: whos the most talkative?
struct: euler?
TheBlueBias: Of course
Scarfield: saw Den skyldige, damn
Astrobytes: Good right?
Scarfield: yea, knew nothing of it other than it was a crime/thriller, but great movie
TheBlueBias: Your's is still interesting ScarXD
Astrobytes: It's so intense, literally almost from the start, thought ya'd like it :)
TheBlueBias: https://imgur.com/a/eNcPhdq
Scarfield: its pretty cool how my messages suck, but my word cloud is interesting :p
JHBonarius: did someone ever thest if the good-old Q3 fast square root is of any use ?
FinnLongman: :money_mouth:
Astrobytes: JHBonarious: there are various fast sqrt implementations in use on CG
Scarfield: its pretty cool that i "remember watching" scenes that was never showed
Astrobytes: JHBonarius rather
Astrobytes: Scarfield: Right? You practically live the whole movie, yet only over the phone/headset...
Astrobytes: So well acted, can't have been easy
eulerscheZahl: hey, you ran my script again TheBlueBias. and no more smits at #1 of most words? :(
JHBonarius: Yeah, I saw some presentation online that the Q3 fast sqrt is slower then modern implementations in libraries. So I was wondering if it's true
eulerscheZahl: most active users from last time:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ee043dc5-d778-44ec-b6b4-9dd4d20d367d
Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: nope, I should scrap to see if there exists someone who is not >99% (less data to store)
TheBlueBias: Oh right eulerscheZahl. My bad. Smith is first, you're second.
eulerscheZahl: if we do bad on purpose, what's the lowest we can get?
TheBlueBias: 52% :3
UndercoverToad: sounds like a job for me
Scarfield: lol
Astrobytes: hahaha
UndercoverToad: but where can I test it? i don't have the languages on my profile page
Astrobytes: do a puzzle or something
TheBlueBias: On home perhaps ?
TheBlueBias: Do onboarding. :grin:
Scarfield: you have seen 12 angry men i suppose Astrobytes?
Stilgart: how come I am the 72nd more active while I haven't play on multis since aeons
Stilgart: ?
UndercoverToad: i'm gonna copy-paste. euler, solution please!
UndercoverToad: still no test to take at 3 solved
TheBlueBias: "Active" Stilgart?
JHBonarius: have a nice evening, I need to eat
Stilgart: active player
Stilgart: see euler's link
UndercoverToad: chat activity from march2020 to feb2021
Scarfield: you 2 bonarius
TheBlueBias: Yeah, chat activity Stilgart
Astrobytes: Scarfield: The original one yes, is there a good remake?
UndercoverToad: and you don't need much to reach top100 there
Stilgart: ho... I was thinking about arena activity for some unknown reason
Stilgart: (who be nice to have this info)
Scarfield: not that i know of, just thought about that when watching den skyldige, also only in one room iirc
Stilgart: would*
eulerscheZahl: at least I track new bots now
Astrobytes: Scarfield: Yeah, it's also brilliantly done
Stilgart: Automaton2000: be prepared and defend yourself
Automaton2000: why don't u have a bot that will be the one
TheBlueBias: The words you say the much are "puzzle" and "eulerscheZahl" Stilgart ^^
Stilgart: that's clearly a proof that the word turtle (tortue) is not taken into account
Astrobytes: hehehe
TheBlueBias: *On world only
Stilgart: I almost never speak on #world
Stilgart: (are you trying to make me spam some turtles ? :p )
TheBlueBias: On #fr your top word is "de" :3
UndercoverToad: still no language tests to take
TheBlueBias: Like almost every one...
TheBlueBias: Have to wait
UndercoverToad: gonna play the big puzzles now
TheBlueBias: tomorrow perhaps
Stilgart: such words should be blacklisted
Stilgart: have fun UndercoverToad
TheBlueBias: Yeah. I'll try with a blacjlist later
TheBlueBias: -j+k
Westicles: C# shows now
TheBlueBias: I can do the test in some awful language. For science.
Hjax: what is that most active users list euler
Scarfield: read that as most attractive
eulerscheZahl: level 10 and still no test. i give up
Hjax: if thats the case, astrobytes cat is ranked above mine, which is unacceptable :P
Scarfield: but most active in world chat some time ago
Westicles: maybe have to click something on the quest map?
eulerscheZahl: most active in terms of letters written on chat
Astrobytes: Hjax: hahaha :D
eulerscheZahl: after removing links
Hjax: im higher than i thought i would be
Astrobytes: that was from a while ago
TheBlueBias: Ok. I'll take the swift test...
Hjax: before i vanished.............. hi guys btw :P
Astrobytes: indeed lol, hi :)
eulerscheZahl: oh wait. I was on the start page and not my profile page
eulerscheZahl: now let's screw up on the test
TheBlueBias: o/ Hjax long time not saw
Scarfield: do your worst
Astrobytes: bad luck on your test!
TheBlueBias: Oh well. If euler do it...
Foxwizard5556: yeah i know
Hjax: i imagine the general consensus from the regulars is that the fall challenge will be boring?
TheBlueBias: What challenge?
Astrobytes: you didn't see what it is?
Foxwizard5556: really dude that's crazy
Hjax: i did see, and it looks boring
eulerscheZahl: nice, there's an "end test" button. don't even have to open the tasks to fail them
Scarfield: its a coding escape room
Hjax: 2 hours of puzzles
Scarfield: so not a contest in the usual sense, pretty sad tbh
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/profile/2606412cefc02cbda447c2ff8b7ec40d2316234
i failed \o/
Astrobytes: As a 'thing' it's quite fun if you have a nice team. It is not in any way, shape or form a replacement for a bot programming contest
Astrobytes: imo
TheBlueBias: "Unknown level"
eulerscheZahl: for me it says: Score < 1%
Scarfield: +1 astro
eulerscheZahl: oh my bad. I have to check the box to show it to everyone
TheBlueBias: Oh no Scarfield, one astro is enough of them...
Scarfield: xD
Hjax: have people stopped running unofficial contests? i had fun doing the PR2 and code of kutulu ones
Scarfield: only you can summon more anywho
TheBlueBias: One more xD for the cloud
Scarfield: CG stopped "supporting" them
Hjax: how so?
Scarfield: "xD cloud"
eulerscheZahl: last january they discussed some multiplayer of the month or so. just a bit more exposure for 1 game
eulerscheZahl: might still come
eulerscheZahl: ask cat needs attention
Foxwizard5556: what is going on in this
eulerscheZahl: afk*
Luigis3: sup
Hjax: lol did codingame get some cease and desists?
Hjax: CSB is "Mad Pod Racing"
ja_fica: MSmits
ja_fica: Can you share you TT code please?
Scarfield: they are changing many others to avoid copyright issues, started since coderpad bought CG afaik
ja_fica: on C4, its amazing
Foxwizard5556: why do you guys spam so much. it's like a cloud of mice fighting.
jacek: for all you know, he may be just printing those win/loss
Foxwizard5556: ha ha nice one
Shalds: Hello, in php gmp_abs() no work ?
Foxwizard5556: i thought it was error-code error error
ja_fica: Have anyone tried brusts of minimax on MCTS?
Foxwizard5556: no not really
Hjax: bursts of minimax?
ja_fica: yes
jacek: mcts solver is kind of negamax eh
ja_fica: batchs of 8 states solves
ja_fica: mtcs solves 1 state per complete rollout
Hjax: i think some people do a low depth minimax search as part of EPT
Foxwizard5556: yes batchs of 7 states
ja_fica: for example
Foxwizard5556: i thought that was what that was
ja_fica: and propagate its result
Foxwizard5556: oh ok
Astrobytes: Foxwizard5556: keep going and get a kick
Foxwizard5556: nice job
ja_fica: minimax with deth requires evaluation function
Hjax: mcts with ept also uses an evaluation function
struct: but wouldnt mcts with ept minimax also need an eval?
ja_fica: yes
ja_fica: I was talking without eval or ept
struct: minmax without eval?
ja_fica: burst of solving K states at each rollout
ja_fica: mcts solver but solving K state and propagating that K states
ja_fica: it should solve states much faster in my head
TheBlueBias: Astrobytes be nice, he's only 3 years old.
struct: but you need to limit the depth right?
Hjax: mcts solver just propagates any terminal nodes it runs into as it builds its tree, i dont think i understand your question
ja_fica: imagine you use regular minimax with TT and no time limit
ja_fica: you search from end to start
jacek: ja_fica https://dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/m.winands/documents/mcts-minimax_hybrids_final.pdf
struct: I understand but solving a state isnt trivial
struct: how deep will you need to go?
ja_fica: but you limit the states solved so you can propagate visits and leverage from MCTS heuristic
jacek: shallow minimax will be beneficial if solved states are close to each other
ja_fica: yes
ja_fica: exacly
jacek: see the paper i linked
ja_fica: would it turn a MCTS solver much faster to solve?
jacek: depends on game. they tried shallow minimax for different parts of mcts
ja_fica: im saying this because using TT in there would definitely have less colisions
jacek: not only in rollout or expansion
ja_fica: I was talking burst after expansion
ja_fica: so that UCT formulas works nice for the visited states
Ceki: I think I'm too bad at this
Ceki: I can't solve even one exercise
Rich_Engler: What do you do when you fin a clash of code that is computationally impossible to complete?
Thyl: Why LINE RACER and not tron ?
Ceki: you asking me Rich_Engler?
Rich_Engler: Anyone really.
jacek: Rich_Engler all clashes are possible to compute
Ceki: yet I didn't solve even one
Ceki: hahaha
Rich_Engler: The test cases in this clash include numbers that exceed 4.2 billion!
eulerscheZahl: it's not LINE RACER Thyl. it's Line Racing
Thyl: But why ???
Rich_Engler: Even trying to convert to 64 bit numbers the test cases exceeded the limit
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/updates-of-old-puzzles-and-games/193102
eulerscheZahl: i can assure you: the list is longer than the few that have been renamed so far (last crusade, skynet, tron, csb)
eulerscheZahl: :sob:
Rich_Engler: So in exactly what programming languages can you compute numbers over 64 bits?
eulerscheZahl: in all. turing completeness
Hjax: python has native support for arbitrarily sized numbers iirc
eulerscheZahl: yes it does
eulerscheZahl: so does Haskell
eulerscheZahl: C# and Java have BigInteger classes
eulerscheZahl: pari/gp is great at handling huge numbers
Stilgart: gmp is enough for C and its derivatives
struct: ruby shuld be able to handle it
jacek: perfect for reverse clash https://twitter.com/seluappendix
jacek: "trained" by GA, at least it doesn't lose on unseen maps https://streamable.com/1le4if
KiwiTae: o/
niluthebear: o/
Wontonimo: that GA does the job, "but at what cost".
jacek: theres some fault. always converges to -18 or 18 degress :thinking:
struct: never 0?
jacek: or 0, but its always one sided
MSmits: hey guys. I generalized my c4 solver, it takes all sizes between 4 and 11 now for width and height. Been checking the results with: https://tromp.github.io/c4/c4.html
jacek: ja_fica ^
MSmits: biggest solved so far is 6x6. I don't think it's super efficient, but it works
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/0ZIjkMD
MSmits: is ja_fica doing this too? I missed the conversation earlier
ja_fica: Im not sure
jacek: he wanted TT code from you
ja_fica: ha yes, I have coded my own version, I thin I will submit it to arena
ja_fica: but I lost a lot of rollouts
MSmits: you mean a hashed version?
MSmits: TT?
ja_fica: I do a very not efficient hash mush probably enough
MSmits: see if you solve earlier
MSmits: do you use your own or a library?
MSmits: like unordered set or some sucvh
ja_fica: my own
ja_fica: no, I use array
MSmits: ah ok good
ja_fica: I solve it early but I need a better opening book
MSmits: use it to generate one :)
ja_fica: good idea
MSmits: you need a good bot to make a good book
MSmits: if i dont have a good bot for a game i dont even try it
MSmits: thats why i never made a book for breakthrough
ja_fica: I have to admit that my bot is a little unstable
MSmits: your bot is good enough for sure
MSmits: my bot is around darkhorse's strength
MSmits: (booklesS)
MSmits: well this was before the TT, but i doubt it matters much
struct: my bot sucks vs books
jacek: if you have weak bot, just give it more time to think. ezpz.
struct: the books destroy me
ja_fica: fk it, I will submit to arena, hope it works fine
MSmits: can always resubmit old version
ja_fica: true
MSmits: especially if it pulls me down, then the old version is preferable
ja_fica: your book is much better
ja_fica: I finnaly understand how to transform to Chinese caracters
ja_fica: I use python instead of C#
MSmits: in 4x7 c4 the corner move is a draw and center wins
ja_fica: and only chinese caracters from 20000 to 20000+(2^14)
MSmits: center loses sry
MSmits: so center is defnitely not always best
MSmits: why from 20000?
MSmits: you can start at like 192 or something
MSmits: just have to skip maybe 2 of them
ja_fica: I have some invalid caracters, dont know why
MSmits: yeah there are 2 afaik
MSmits: paragraph separator and another separator
MSmits: line separator
ja_fica: in my case a have around 1000 invalid characters in python, don't know why
ja_fica: myy bot is getting reckt
MSmits: wow
MSmits: maybe it's different in C#
ja_fica: yes, 14 bits is enough for me
MSmits: ja_fica be careful about judging vs some players. Some of them are super deterministic
jacek: or utf16-be vs utf16-le
MSmits: i also use 14 bits, but i think the 20k+ chars use more space
MSmits: some count as 2 i think?
jacek: ~50k+ count as 2
MSmits: hmm i thought it was sooner, but allright, i never bothered to check
ja_fica: i use from 20k to 36k so its fine
MSmits: yeah, its not like you need the space
MSmits: unless you're also doing NN
jacek: :no_mouth:
ja_fica: my bot is really unstable because I keep expanding it, destroying the content of the TT
ja_fica: I should apply an evaluation function
ja_fica: with NN, thats what Im going to do
MSmits: sounds like a fun experiment
ja_fica: One interesting challenge is transforming the weigths of a convolution neural network (Conv2D) into pure C++ code with no libraries and auto-vectorization. I did it yesterday, its amazing that I can now use to for robotics
jacek: convs :scream:
ja_fica: 6 for cycles
ja_fica: all inside one another
ja_fica: I use single dimentional to all vectors
ja_fica: so I don't ever need to flatten the array
ja_fica: https://ibb.co/dWjZ5sz
ja_fica: I would pay 100€ for this code some months ago
jacek: is this from some paper?
ja_fica: no, I developed myself
ja_fica: I wanted to do this a some weeks ago
jacek: :money_with_wings:
ja_fica: for whole code to deploy any keras model into auto generated c++ code (3 scripts, 1 python, 2 c++), 60€ if you want xD
ja_fica: Im programming the easy MaxPool and AvgPool as well
ja_fica: https://paste.ofcode.org/aWF4vyMYNdeh2DaCLChUiH
ja_fica: is generates that code, the secret is the sequence of the wigths into a single dimension array to have good cache and auto-vectorization
ja_fica: jacek
CrispyBacon1764: is there a file explorer/a way to make more files?
CrispyBacon1764: in the editor
Westicles: sure, go to bash and type ls
Thorcode: in mime type I must ouput the q and n in type of file?
Thorcode: why the last testcase has 9999 it make my code die:(((((((((((((
Thorcode: mime = {ext.lower(): tp for ext, tp in (input().split() for _ in range(n))}
Thorcode: how this could happend in the code there is not ext
Thorcode: no
bminnix: ? It's defining it by the split.
bminnix: mime becomes a dict holding the lowercase extension and the mime type that goes with it.
bminnix: For each of the n lines passed to it after q has been presented.
bminnix: I see you got 100 on it, so you figured it out, lol.
TechnoBot: Stop invite me Thorcode
Thorcode: thanks bminix
Thorcode: Why TechnoBot?
Mossydem: New around here.. can you do the challenges in any language? Or are there specific language challenges in some cases?
struct: only if you do private clashes
Mossydem: okok gotchu thanks
UphilZeus_: thats so hard to me :')
MeBen: What is?
**PatrickMcGinnisII burps
Thorcode: why you burp PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's a redneck Hello!
Thorcode: really
**PatrickMcGinnisII is a Florida redneck
PatrickMcGinnisII: redneck's are happiest when having eaten or drank beer or both
PatrickMcGinnisII: :pizza:
Thorcode: no
Thorcode: PatrickMcGinnisII it is not a food
Thorcode: redneck
Thorcode: redneck hello has another defination
PatrickMcGinnisII: don't know another definition... enlighten me?
Thorcode: why you say a food hello
Thorcode: PatrickMcGinnisII 10:34AM
it's a redneck Hello!
PatrickMcGinnisII: BURP=HELLO in redneck lingo
PatrickMcGinnisII: ;)
Thorcode: PatrickMcGinnisII 10:34AM
it's a redneck Hello!
Thorcode: oops
Thorcode: wrong paste
Thorcode: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2ac9b8b0-0862-4621-a9ee-dc91a0bc2eec
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's 11:44pm here
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: read my paste first plz
PatrickMcGinnisII: People from the white South sometimes jocularly call themselves "rednecks" as insider humor.
PatrickMcGinnisII: "here, hold by beer, watch this...!"
PatrickMcGinnisII: famous last words
Thorcode: but you say it is redneck helo
Thorcode: not yourself
PatrickMcGinnisII: it is for me, it means...hey, i'm here and I'm happy
PatrickMcGinnisII: after a meal, it can indeed serve as a compliment to the chef
Thorcode: nice
Thorcode: PatrickMcGinnisII burps
Thorcode: * PatrickMcGinnisII is a Florida redneck
Thorcode: oh ok
**PatrickMcGinnisII pings the chat by burping
Thorcode: you use me right?
Thorcode: the command
**PatrickMcGinnisII nods
**Thorcode PatrickMcGinnisII is funny
Thorcode: I forgot the said
PatrickMcGinnisII: working on Simple AI duels, kinda boring
Thorcode: :D
Thorcode: shall we solo?
Thorcode: PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: the puzzle...it is kinda solo
Thorcode: on clash?
PatrickMcGinnisII: i don't clash much, mostly bots na dpuzzles
PatrickMcGinnisII: and puzzles
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: what happend with cbs
Thorcode: PatrickMcGinnisII ou beat my in all of the bot programming
eulerscheZahl: you are only a real readneck if you voted for Trump
eulerscheZahl: and probably have a Trump campaign sign on your lawn
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have a bullet hole in one of my trucks, but Zero Trump crap
chimichangas: I have no clue what im doing
