NeevShah: HELLO
NeevShah: :grinning:
derjack: good morning
Jirikora: good afternoon from here
Thorcode: good afternoon too
Benji-the-scripter: Hello. Day 4 of almost no coding knowledge
Thorcode: hi benji
Uljahn: well spent
Benji-the-scripter: Uljahn some friends of me is respecting you very much
Thorcode: well I have almost all day full of new coding knowledge
Benji-the-scripter: cool
Thorcode: cuz there is a book
Thorcode: that.........................
Benji-the-scripter: good book?
Thorcode: yeah
Benji-the-scripter: where to buy
Benji-the-scripter: ?
Thorcode: you could download it online
Benji-the-scripter: cool
Thorcode: or print it
Benji-the-scripter: where?
Thorcode: http://bedford-computing.co.uk/learning/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Python-Cookbook-3rd-Edition.pdf
Thorcode: here
Benji-the-scripter: thx i will read it later
Benji-the-scripter: that was a f***ing muc bit of knowledge
Benji-the-scripter: much*
Thorcode: yeah
Thorcode: "a bit" knowledge
Benji-the-scripter: a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig bit of knowledge
Thorcode: benji
Thorcode: could you help me
raizbro: hi
Benji-the-scripter: hi
Prat030154: hi
raizbro: hi
raizbro: hi
Thorcode: stop say hi guys
raizbro: ok
Prat030154: ok
Anth: ok
raizbro: guys dont spam
raizbro: pk
Trevodorax: ok
Kobzar: hi
raizbro: hi thor code
Uljahn: I think your time could be better spent if you focused more on problem solving rather than mindlessly chilling in the chat. This site is dedicated to practicing coding after all. Keep in mind that flooding the chat with nonsense won't make you a better coder.
Thorcode: Uljahn is cool
Thorcode: you almost in legend legue of any bot compitition
Uljahn: mostly gold, im not a pro coder, also im on python
Thorcode: almost my bot solo see you in legend
Thorcode: well I gotta beat you in someday
Uljahn: beating a cat is animal abuse :crying_cat_face:
Thorcode: no this cat is magic thor is going to beat it
jacek: https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AptClosedDavidstiger-mobile.mp4
Thorcode: in someday not today :grin:
Havertz19: :sunglasses:
Thorcode: nice jacek
Uljahn: (╯°□°）╯︵:popcorn:
Thorcode: well thor is going to beat the cat with meow meow
Benji-the-scripter: cat is going to win! Uljahn are best
therealbeef: am i the only one being a bit disappointed by the fall contest?
jacek: just a bit?
therealbeef: im trying to stay nice in chat
Uljahn: my disappointing is immeasurable and my fall is ruined :crying_cat_face:
jacek: :head_bandage:
therealbeef: how do you win those escape games? best time, or best score?
[CG]Thibaud: your score is time + hints used
therealbeef: time since start of the contest or time using the website?
[CG]Thibaud: since start
[CG]Thibaud: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/coding-escape-events
raxkin: this will be the unique fall challange? there will not be a contest like the last one? i'm a bit disapointed
therealbeef: from the discord channel I understood that it is even unclear whether next year's contests will be bot programming or not
dbf: I hope that CG is just testing new formats not having some real issues with budgets/etc to run contests as we used to have :disappointed:
raxkin: I think it's easier for them to implement a bot programing challange than a escape challange that takes 168h aprox
derjack: escape from CG, thats the challenge
raxkin: So i gues they are testing or tring to marketing the escape challanges as there is some paid content there
raizbro: what is happen
[CG]Thibaud: no budget issue dbf don't worry, testing the concept mainly
[CG]Thibaud: raxkin no, it's easier to create a Coding Escape than a bot programming game
Benji-the-scripter: how do i complet second AI quest so i understand coding a little bit more
[CG]Thibaud: try this the other way around Benji-the-scripter
[CG]Thibaud: understand coding first, then do the quest
Benji-the-scripter: ok
botacoda: hello guys
Benji-the-scripter: hello
botacoda: which is the trending and the best language?
emilt: Subjective or google statistics
Wontonimo: hey botacoda, what kind of job are you intersted in ?
SabertheLost: why replace the fall challange with an escape room that 'requires a team?
Wontonimo: for business applications it is : java, php, javascript
Wontonimo: for machine learning it's python, c++
Wontonimo: for game dev, c++, c#, javascript (if browser based)
Uljahn: Automaton2000: no time to learn the basics, just jump on the hype train! :scream_cat:
Automaton2000: do you mean the one in the statement
Benji-the-scripter: hellö
Benji-the-scripter: (hello)
Uljahn: DRY
Benji-the-scripter: ?
Uljahn: don't repeat yourself
Benji-the-scripter: ok
DerMert: Yo
ivanmusa: omg
DerMert: I need help
DerMert: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
Erossi: yo whats up?
DerMert: not much how bout u
Erossi: yea can't complain bro
Erossi: been chillin
Erossi: what kind of help do you need?
DerMert: with java
DerMert: sudoku validator
Erossi: where you stuck at?
DerMert: the first one xD
Erossi: ohh
DerMert: ion understand java that much
Erossi: Just got into programming?
DerMert: ive been programming with c# for a while and now we switched to java its confusing
Erossi: Oh i see
Erossi: thats good then
Erossi: so you kinda need help with syntaxes ?
DerMert: yea like the commands and shiiii
DerMert: how do i check if a whole line has the numbers 1-9 without duplicates
Erossi: use range in a loop I'd suggest
Wontonimo: one way : if you have an array of 9 booleans, go through each square and check off the corresponding boolean as you see the number
Wontonimo: if the boolean is already set ... there is a duplicate
DerMert: aha ok
Wontonimo: the python way would be to make a set. check that each element isn't yet in the set before adding it
ivanmusa: you mean set kind of like an hashset in java?
Wontonimo: yeah
Wontonimo: tbh, a boolean array will be way faster
ivanmusa: yeah would work too but i think ill do the hashset bc i used it too in c#
DerMert: we have a 2dimensional array, its a sudoku field and we have to check if some numbers are duplicate
Wontonimo: using hashset is like using a combine harvester to pick 2 tomatoes.
ivanmusa: i love you brother wontonimo
Gussaci: I'm back bitches
marejvnc: Hhaahhaha
Gussaci: How u doin??
DerMert: guuuuurl is that u??
Gussaci: Yaaasss
DerMert: o ma gad gurl i missd uuu
Gussaci: Sammmmmeeeee
Uljahn: use DM guys
Wontonimo: keep it coding or codingame related. generally stay on topic. be respectful.
Gussaci: No sir
Wontonimo: I made a channel for you. Click here #cooldudes
Wontonimo: it's your own private channel
DerMert: oh hahahah thank you <333333333333333
hamzaargoubi: xD
Westicles: or just use the friends channel #fr
Wontonimo: no, that's french ! not friends
Wontonimo: lol
Westicles: oh, oups
alowaniak: Finally in top 100 of CoC, only took me over 1K participations 😅
Wontonimo: congrats
Wontonimo: now graduate to puzzles and bot battles
derjack: now do the clash of bots
alowaniak: Yea I should probably do those, but for some reason I always gravitate back to the CoC
I think they generate more dopamine for me
derjack: so does meth
Gussaci: I know u didn't
Wontonimo: if you can do flood-fill, tron https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/tron-battle is a good bot battle.
Wontonimo: connect 4 is super easy to start in https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/connect-4
DerMert: i know you lyin
Wontonimo: prbly wrong channel DerMert, try #cooldudes
DerMert: oh sorry
Wontonimo: alowaniak , space shooter is really fun and really easy to get into https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/space-shooter
Wontonimo: pew pew
Gussaci: I know u just didn't talk to my gurl like this
Gussaci: U better ask somebody about me!
Astrobytes: Keep your nonsense in your own channel or get kicked.
Astrobytes: Ban next time. And quit the DMs
ivanmusa: what is the difference between int and Integer in java
ivanmusa: sorry if i noob
Wontonimo: that's a good question
Wontonimo: int is a "primitive".
Wontonimo: it is just that, a number
Wontonimo: Integer is an object. it has all the things objects have
Wontonimo: and you can subclass it
ivanmusa: ohhhh
ivanmusa: thank u
DerMert: noob ivan
ivanmusa: :cry:
DerMert: :nerd:
alowaniak: Thanks for the recommendations @Wontonimo
Wontonimo: let me know which one you start on if you do. The bot battles that give you a list of valid next moves are the easiest to create a random bot to get started.
raizbro: hi
raizbro: guys see thorcode
raizbro: hi
raizbro: !
alowaniak: hi
Coder_noob001: printf("hi");
alowaniak: So how do the bot battles work? Does it do like 100rounds or something?
Thorcode: what does pip do?
raizbro: like poop
raizbro: :joy: :joy:
Uljahn: raizbro last warning
raizbro: what
derjack: alowaniak depends on the game. the usual - bot gets input the prints the output per turn. there are up to 600(?) turns
Thorcode: well raizbro almost die :)
Wontonimo: :wave: Thorcode
Thorcode: hi
Thorcode: well
Thorcode: what is the interest of bank
Wontonimo: google can tell you all about pip. google "pip package manager"
Thorcode: well
Thorcode: I finished it
Wontonimo: bank?
Thorcode: yeah
Wontonimo: maybe you are not the Thorcode I know.
Thorcode: in coc it have a stupid clash need to caculate money
Thorcode: oh
Wontonimo: oh
Wontonimo: that makes sense then
Wontonimo: i don't help with Clash, sorry. Try google. If it were a puzzle, or bot, no problem. I don't have anything against Clash, it's just the time crunch makes it really hard to help
Thorcode: well I'm ther Thorcode you know
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: oh it is so simple
Uljahn: always try to search the answer first, it's not very interesting to answer questions you can resolve yourself in 15 sec
Wontonimo: :thumbsup:
Thorcode: Uljahn how could you have a moderator badge in chat
Astrobytes: Thorcode stop it please.
Astrobytes: (DM'd me the same)
Uljahn: Thorcode: i guess you can get some ideas here https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/moderation
Miki09: Is there any way I could unlock other coding escape missions without being in any company?
eulerscheZahl: afaik: not yet, might be possible in the future
eulerscheZahl: but i'm not actively following their progress on this, just what i remember from someone asking on the forum
derjack: you know more than me
Astrobytes: Liked that rapid disclaimer there euler :D
eulerscheZahl: like: "how can I do <weird thing>? asking for a friend"
Astrobytes: hehehe yep
eulerscheZahl: i think their countdown is wrong. there's daylight saving time change between now and the event.
eulerscheZahl: for the contest
Astrobytes: Maybe that's part of it. Gotta figure out the right start time (needs no coding skills :P )
wlesavo: hehe finally got my coif legend
TimothyAlexisVass: congratulations
eulerscheZahl: python heuristics?
Astrobytes: eyyy gratz :)
Uljahn: gratz
wlesavo: yeah no search, just a banch of heuristics
eulerscheZahl: wow, there's a python at #3 :
eulerscheZahl: :o
wlesavo: i think complexity-wise coif legend quite similar to OOC, at least my code also have 1k+ lines and similar stuff with predicting opponents cuts and fatalities
eulerscheZahl: COIF is one of my largest bots
eulerscheZahl: last fall challenge(?) - the cooking witches - is by far my smallest among the more recent ones
eulerscheZahl: oh, that annoying neighbour. he's testing the bell on his bicycle once again be repeatedly ringing it. why would anyone do this?
Thorcode: They want to prank you?
Thorcode: he
CodingWizardAI: Does anyone want to join a "coding escape" challenge?
Ari24-cb24: whats a coding escape challenge?
eulerscheZahl: just say "yes" and you will see
CodingWizardAI: Its difficult to explain
CodingWizardAI: its like a mix between a coding challenge and an escape room
CodingWizardAI: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/PXb-H85-gBf-t7a
Ari24-cb24: Sounds fun, I'll give it a try! tyty ^^
struct: hi
eulerscheZahl: hi
eulerscheZahl: maybe we should try this with our next chat trolls: just invite them to an escape room?
Astrobytes: inescapable room would be better
eulerscheZahl: i was thinking about making a puzzle a while ago (somehow i didn't)
would have been part of the story: your co-worker did something. but unfortunately he got stuck in one of codingames escape rooms, so you have to figure out what exactly he did
eulerscheZahl: the blackbox wiring where you have to toggle switches to turn on specific lights
Astrobytes: I remember you were going to make a puzzle with that kind of mechanic, didn't know you had a theme too lol
eulerscheZahl: in the end those puzzles are too much effort for a handful of players
Ari24-cb24: ouh
wlesavo: minesweeper was really cool
eulerscheZahl: my main problem is the low visibility. it's just on the same page with 100 other puzzles. hard to stand out and get seen, even for a high-quality puzzle. they are just sorted by age
eulerscheZahl: 1935 community contributions approved, including clashes. soon we'll hit the 2000 mark
eulerscheZahl: and at 10000 my herokuapp will stop working (row limitation of free databse)
struct: lol
struct: I dont think it will happen
eulerscheZahl: before we hit 10k, CG will change their API and I won't find motivation to rewrite my parser
struct: have you added escapes to it yet?
Westicles: you can delete the deactivated ones
jrke: make a lookup table for those contribution and update them in regularly :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Westicles: oh, 10k limit not 2k
eulerscheZahl: i'm only indexing user contributions. not even official puzzles
eulerscheZahl: i could just stuff all puzzles into a single row :poop:
Westicles: it seems I will never catch the french, they'll always be one ahead due to the teads puzzle
Westicles: afaik the only unreachable deleted puzzle
eulerscheZahl: make your own puzzle, solve it and then get it deleted before they see it
Westicles: yeah, I thought about that. and put unicode in the title so no forum post
eulerscheZahl: use unicode in the title so they don't find it via forum message (the bot has a bzug)
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: same idea
Westicles: ha. yeah, but I am too scared to pull more stunts
struct: damn, was checking discord and its even worse than I thought
eulerscheZahl: so much hate for the escape
eulerscheZahl: we have a strong bot community
Astrobytes: :)
jrke: the most reacted normal message i ever noticed on CG discord server
jrke: https://prnt.sc/1tyd2gw
darkhorse64: It's clearly not my interest but I'll probably gather some friends IRL and try the escape
struct: its not about being an escape
struct: its about whats next
darkhorse64: Wow, it gets even worse than I thought. Time to dig boardgamegeek.com
struct: they say they dont know what the future will be
darkhorse64: Yes, I read that too
eulerscheZahl: so, do we have to hope for a fail at the escape?
Astrobytes: Would appear so. I don't like wishing failure on anyone but..
eulerscheZahl: same. i like cg too much to wish them bad luck
struct: I wont be in chat during the contest tbh
jrke: not failure but something for bot programming
struct: Its the only thing i will do
jacek: fail at escape would win success on bot programming?
Uljahn: maybe they will conduct another survey
jrke: i think the feedback form of this contest could be decisive factor for fututr
Astrobytes: :smirk:
jrke: future*
darkhorse64: Does that mean that high level coding is not so popular ? There is hardly any bot competition elsewhere
struct: its probably more related to the cost of them
eulerscheZahl: https://www.gocoder.one/blog/ai-game-competitions-list
-oa-: at 0% in shortest, all should be tied, regardles of code length imho
struct: Also I dont see how they can prevent cheating on esacpe
jacek: for 0% just submit empty code
eulerscheZahl: that's why time matters. at least #1 is without
Astrobytes: cheating? How would one do that on an escape?
eulerscheZahl: sarcasm?
struct: But doesnt the timer starts when you start playing?
eulerscheZahl: no, read the help page
eulerscheZahl: ceg
Astrobytes: :D
struct: ah I see
eulerscheZahl: To prevent cheating, the default leaderboard will rank teams according to the official start time of the event.
eulerscheZahl: Are there any prize to win?
We'll award CodinGame T-Shirts to each player of the top 5 teams.
struct: time to make a team of 6 of me to get shirts
eulerscheZahl: you mean 5 teams of 6 of you
struct: maybe
struct: math is hard
eulerscheZahl: team 1: struct, Tobou, nulte, who else?
eulerscheZahl: + deleted user
cosmix: teams for what?
eulerscheZahl: escape contest
eulerscheZahl: meanwhile we are at 15 :sob: reactions
Astrobytes: I can't help but think that they're making a terrible mistake; then again I never was the optimistic sort
eulerscheZahl: they tried a similar thing with tech.io
it's just a completely different audience and you can't shift CG players to the other platform. building a new community takes years
eulerscheZahl: now they try the same but this time the competitive platform gets a real hit while tech.io was running mostly in parallel
Astrobytes: Yes. And tech.io was never a risk to the community here
eulerscheZahl: even tech.io got some hate from hardcore CG players of that time
Astrobytes: tech.io just smells of wasted potential to me
eulerscheZahl: it's a cool idea. i was impressed by how much you can do on that platform when I created a playground
Astrobytes: Yeah, it is cool. Just way underutilised.
darkhorse64: I even use it to benchmark my bitboard code
Astrobytes: nice :)
KalamariKing: Never really understood the point of tech.io, what's it supposed to be for?
darkhorse64: godbolt is also worthy for that purpose and you can even look at the asm
eulerscheZahl: sharing knowledge
Astrobytes: yeah godbolt is superb
eulerscheZahl: write an article about any IT topic that you are skilled in
darkhorse64: knowledg is powa
struct: I just use it for the same thing that darkhorse does
struct: But the cpus on tech io are a bit slower than cg ones
NeoTytanX: who asked
struct: Kalamari did
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/213/using-c-linq---a-practical-overview/welcome
articles like this one are the initial idea behind tech.io
eulerscheZahl: why am I toadberg on the tech.io discussion? https://prnt.sc/1tyge7s
struct: im also tobou there
eulerscheZahl: as you should be
dbf: I don't see any screenshots at prnt.sc, tome to tune my adblocks :)
JacobTheCoder: hello
carl-h: hey
carl-h: can someone join the discord vc and help me
carl-h: im doing C# but if you use another language then it should still work
carl-h: ill be here for a while chilling in general VC
Uljahn: hey, could you be more specific with the kind of help you need?
carl-h: im not understanding the tutorial and im still learning how to do C#
carl-h: im extremely new
Uljahn: the tutorial?
carl-h: yeah it's guiding me but idk what it wants me to do
carl-h: if you join the vc i can screen share
eulerscheZahl: i join if astro does too
Uljahn: it might be tough to learn a language and solve problems at the same time, i'd recommend to do the former first
eulerscheZahl: ah, CSB stream
eulerscheZahl: wontonimo your chance to shine
ZarthaxX: toad lost interest real fast :P
eulerscheZahl: no, i was giving astro a chance for a paradoxon by saying "i join if euler doesn't"
eulerscheZahl: but he missed it
ZarthaxX: i didnt read that
CodingWizardAI: Has anyone done the Davinci coding escape, I'm almost done, but I can't find the encrypted message anywhere
ZarthaxX: was that a pm
ZarthaxX: fun one :P
eulerscheZahl: eulerscheZahl 05:06PM
i join if astro does too
literally a few messages above
ZarthaxX: but that isnt a paradoxon
eulerscheZahl: it is, if astro gives the right reply
ZarthaxX: ahhh
ZarthaxX: lmao
ZarthaxX: pity he is afk
eulerscheZahl: euler => astro => !euler => !astro => euler => ...
ZarthaxX: my brain cant stand this already :P
eulerscheZahl: there was this Simpsons episode where Lisa was sick and Marge says that she shall stay home
eulerscheZahl: Bart: "when Lisa stays home, I'll stay at home too"
Lisa: "when Bart stays at home, I'll go to school"
eulerscheZahl: bart: confused
ZarthaxX: that's me :rofl: haha
ZarthaxX: 3 guys talking about csb already in vc
eulerscheZahl: you are not a polar bear of culture
ZarthaxX: i havent watched simpsons in years
eulerscheZahl: shall we join the party?
ZarthaxX: forgot already
eulerscheZahl: oh, 2 again
ZarthaxX: im techincally working
ZarthaxX: lmao
eulerscheZahl: i also stopped watching simpsons years ago. they just put stupid gags over a real story nowadays
ZarthaxX: procoder didnt understand csb :P
ZarthaxX: it has become quite bad since they changed owner right
ZarthaxX: i mean the rights
ProCoder03: dude, my mic isn't working
struct: are you streaming csb?
eulerscheZahl: fine, i'll do it
ZarthaxX: struct not toad
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
struct: ah they want to chat about C#
ZarthaxX: who is that guy Bata man the duck knight#0468
struct: not my expertise
ZarthaxX: wtf
ZarthaxX: struct i think the guy just doesnt get the commands part of csb
ZarthaxX: printing out actions and such
eulerscheZahl: they don't need me, going to (Y, Y) instead of (X, Y)
ZarthaxX: :rofl.
Astrobytes: I missed it, sorry, was afk :D
eulerscheZahl: do you at least agree that it would have been a good reply?
eulerscheZahl: did that once in real life
"i go there if euler comes too"
"i go there if you don't"
someone didn't get the joke :(
Astrobytes: lol, well, I liked it at least :)
ipsissimus: had a job interview at 10. guy sends me hackerrank link
ipsissimus: doesnt ask any code related questions
ipsissimus: :|
eulerscheZahl: so, in what position do you see yourself in 5 years?
eulerscheZahl: what was your best team experience?
ipsissimus: hopefully asking non code related questions
eulerscheZahl: you have 9 marbles that all look the same. but you know that one has less weight than the rest.
eulerscheZahl: how often do you have to use a pair of scales to find it?
struct: are these real questions?
fkberthold: I've gotten a variant on the marble one for a Sr. dev position in the last couple of years.
eulerscheZahl: i got asked some nonsense like "when you have been the most proud/disappointed about yourself?"
eulerscheZahl: refused to answer, got the job anyways :rofl:
Westicles: if you throw a penny off a boat, does the water level rise or fall
eulerscheZahl: how big is the sea?
WolfDarrigan: I'm doubting myself, but I think it falls
eulerscheZahl: i go with raising
Westicles: hmm, maybe I should have specified pond.
WolfDarrigan: oh well that changes everything ;)
Astrobytes: Falls
eulerscheZahl: or does it stay the same? no idea
eulerscheZahl: Gravity Falls.
Great show, I recommend watching it
Astrobytes: something to do with displacement of mass/volume
eulerscheZahl: 1st season is a bit meh but then it gets better
fkberthold: Ok, if you change it from a penny and a boat to a bowling ball and a really big bucket. It would rise because the bucket(which displaces more water because it takes up a larger area) would then just be floating at the top and the bowling ball would sink. Does the same apply for the penny and the boat?
WolfDarrigan: You can make it more extreme without changing too much, imagine your penny weighed as much as a car, but was still the same volume. How does that change your answer?
eulerscheZahl: but inside the boat the weight will push the boat down as well
eulerscheZahl: surely also related to the difference in mass density of water and penny
WolfDarrigan: the answer is very different if you use very small rocks
eulerscheZahl: KalamariKing you misspelled "but i'm lonely"
KalamariKing: i forgot the pound symbol exists
eulerscheZahl: you wrote the O too late
eulerscheZahl: a few years ago codeforces liked to ping @everyone on discord for some announcements that don't affect many users
eulerscheZahl: there was always a WHO CARES reaction
eulerscheZahl: they've stopped pinging
KalamariKing: I did write the o too late damn
Astrobytes: You've done it wrong again
KalamariKing: fr
MeBen: Very frustrating when you don't get 100% because of a hidden "Crash test" validator.
TimothyAlexisVass: Yes
Stepan0806: are there chat in coding escape?
TimothyAlexisVass: What do you mean?
Stepan0806: chat like this
Stepan0806: not only audio
eulerscheZahl: you could use some external chat like discord with your team if needed
eulerscheZahl: i don't know if CG itself has a chat for you
Astrobytes: can't remember :thinking:
MeBen: What's the motivation behind making coding escapes a team-only thing?
Astrobytes: You can always make your own #channel anyway
eulerscheZahl: but does the escape have a chat on the side?
Astrobytes: MeBen: It's a teambuilding event product fundamentally
Astrobytes: euler: that's what I can't remember :D
Astrobytes: First 2 times, we used Zoom or Teams or something. Then they introduced the voice plugin
MeBen: Oh right, that makes sense. I hate teambuilding exercises ... maybe that's why my team work is so bad.
eulerscheZahl: don't worry, you can just skip the contest
Astrobytes: It won't affect your stats or anything
MeBen: The escapes sound like a really fun idea though
eulerscheZahl: i took off Monday and Tuesday in 2 weeks for the Huawei optim on codeforces. I hope it's worth it
Astrobytes: They are fun, don't get me wrong (with a decent team of people)
eulerscheZahl: we are just salty as this one replaced our beloved bot programming contest
Astrobytes: Oh the graph/flow one. I might even join just to pass the time.
eulerscheZahl: i'd be perfectly fine if they would co-exist
Astrobytes: ^
XeroOl: why does this chat keep refreshing and moving my focus to it
eulerscheZahl: someone launched a "competitive programming hall of game" website.
they estimate that tourist won about $350000 of prize money :o
eulerscheZahl: https://cphof.org/profile/topcoder:tourist
eulerscheZahl: XeroOl add ?disableChat to the URL to hide it completely
XeroOl: interesting
XeroOl: thanks
Astrobytes: lol, pretty impressive
BlaiseEbuth: :metal::imp:
eulerscheZahl: even Errichto "only" at $4000
Astrobytes: Gennady is a beast though
eulerscheZahl: no doubt
eulerscheZahl: and I can definitely name 2 contests where tourist also won some real money, that aren't even mentioned there
eulerscheZahl: so definitely more than those 2, if even I can name 2
Astrobytes: And this only covers cash prizes, he's won lots of hardware etc too
eulerscheZahl: they don't even list hackerrank. there used to be some highly paid top ranks as well
eulerscheZahl: like $2.5k or so. was meant to last 2 days and he finished it in 2h
Astrobytes: lol, sounds like him
eulerscheZahl: https://www.hackerrank.com/contests/world-codesprint-12/leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: $1000 for the winner, I just checked
Astrobytes: Nice. I only know 2 names on that list lol
eulerscheZahl: https://www.hackerrank.com/contests/world-codesprint-10/leaderboard
and another 2000
eulerscheZahl: which are the 2 names you know?
Astrobytes: Gennady and izban
eulerscheZahl: https://www.hackerrank.com/contests/university-codesprint-2/leaderboard
and $2000 again
eulerscheZahl: https://www.hackerrank.com/contests/university-codesprint-3/leaderboard
only 5th? a hoodie
eulerscheZahl: looks like he could make a living from those contests alone
Astrobytes: Maybe he does. Does he work somewhere that you know of?
eulerscheZahl: isn't he still a student? i don't know
Astrobytes: Hm, he might be still
eulerscheZahl: they also miss google hashcode on that list
BlaiseEbuth: Well. Gonna change my job and only do programming contest.
Astrobytes: I reckon he's far above $500k in earnings
eulerscheZahl: yes, sounds right
eulerscheZahl: also some topcoder single rounds that are not listed there
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: right? Nice work if you can get it!
BlaiseEbuth: More fun. More liberty. More money
eulerscheZahl: yet he even took the time to play some clashes on CG
BlaiseEbuth: No income tax
Amloxg: hi
eulerscheZahl: found my tutor back from university days
https://cphof.org/profile/topcoder:Vertigo1111
BlaiseEbuth: Still alive? :o
BlaiseEbuth: Ah no. Stop in 2013
Astrobytes: jeez, euler's not that old lol
eulerscheZahl: he was still there when I graduated in 2018. working on his PhD
eulerscheZahl: apparently he still is on the university, publishing papers and such
Astrobytes: On which topics?
Astrobytes: (if you know)
BlaiseEbuth: Toads
eulerscheZahl: lots of particle swarm optimization
Astrobytes: Interesting. I didn't know that PSO was so popular in research
BlaiseEbuth: :bee:
Astrobytes: :particle:
Astrobytes: meh
BlaiseEbuth: :sheep:
Astrobytes: :smirk:
Astrobytes: No more videos Blaise? :D
BlaiseEbuth: Took so much time to do... -_-
miszu: for c++ users, do you use visual studio for coding or the game ide?
Astrobytes: VS
miszu: which version?
BlaiseEbuth: vs code
Astrobytes: Visual Studio 2019
Kudema: i couldn't do it in js
Kudema: it's throwing 'Nothing' mpm
miszu: any plugins worth installing for visual studio?
miszu: to be more efficient?
Astrobytes: Maybe? Haven't checked recently tbh
Kudema: prettier
miszu: you didn't use anything?
Astrobytes: No, it does most of what I need
miszu: oh ok thanks
BlaiseEbuth: :(
eulerscheZahl: VS Code for me as well
eulerscheZahl: and g++
BlaiseEbuth: +1
Astrobytes: I use vscode for everything non C++
Astrobytes: On linux tho, vscode + g++
69razer69: do anyone have an idea of effeciant way to solve "the river l" puzzle
eulerscheZahl: is that there you have to find where both numbers meet?
Astrobytes: yeah I think so
eulerscheZahl: you have 2 numbers a and b
let's say a < b
valnix: can somebody discord call with me and help me in python 3. im new so i want to learn some stuff
eulerscheZahl: so you need a larger a to find the point where they meet. so you compute the next higher value for a
eulerscheZahl: and you have a new (a,b)
eulerscheZahl: swap to make a the smaller again
eulerscheZahl: repeat until equal
Astrobytes: wonder if people will stream the 'contest'...
BlaiseEbuth: Sharing solutions ?
Astrobytes: Tongue in cheek comment
eulerscheZahl: but we want to encourage streaming, don't we?
BlaiseEbuth: :smirk:
valnix: can somebody discord call with me and help me in python 3. im new so i want to learn some stuff
Astrobytes: No.
valnix: oh okay
valnix: sry
BlaiseEbuth: Call python.org he is nice
Astrobytes: Try discord
Schwase: is it your first language?
valnix: yeah
valnix: it is my first time getting into programming
BlaiseEbuth: Poor boy... :(
Schwase: then your previous message is misleading no offense lol
69razer69: gl
eulerscheZahl: at first everything will be new and confusing. totally normal
Schwase: go to W3school
Schwase: do everything
69razer69: i recommend "learn python the hard way" for begginers
valnix: yea:( pretty hard ngl
Astrobytes: was that updated for python3?
69razer69: its a book
Astrobytes: online too
69razer69: no but as a bigginer it doesnt matter which python u are using
Astrobytes: I would argue otherwise
eulerscheZahl: some more resources: http://programming-motherfucker.com/become.html#Python
69razer69: khkhkh
69razer69: lol
Astrobytes: Hah!
69razer69: link !
eulerscheZahl: just make sure that you learn python3 and not python2 (outdated)
Astrobytes: That's what I said before.
eulerscheZahl: oh sorry
eulerscheZahl: was distracted finding the link
valnix: i watched one guys video, like 4 hour youtube of python tutorials. i learned some stuff like print stuff out of how to build basic calculators, but not really ready for most of the stuff
eulerscheZahl: you will never feel ready by just watching
BlaiseEbuth: I'll argue that as a beginner python2 or 3 doesn't matter, as far as you use none.
eulerscheZahl: at one point you have to start writing
Astrobytes: Concentrate on variables, scope, logical operations and conditional flow, loops etc
69razer69: why i really dont see a major diffrance a begginer will notice between py3 and py2
eulerscheZahl: one is deprecated. and there are minor differences even in basic things like division
eulerscheZahl: what is 5/3 in py2 vs py3?
BlaiseEbuth: A mistake in both?
Astrobytes: oh wait this is an integer division thing
eulerscheZahl: yes. py3 returns a float while py2 says it's 1
eulerscheZahl: in py3 you can still do 5//3
Astrobytes: yeah
eulerscheZahl: for int division
eulerscheZahl: of course there are more differences. that's just one you'll come across very early
Astrobytes: printing
eulerscheZahl: print 'something'
print('something')
eulerscheZahl: golfers hate this change
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: Still amazes me how python has become what it is today
LagunaElectric: golfers?
valnix: thats literally only thing i can do in python other from like input("something something")
Astrobytes: Back in the day, it was something that strange guy in the corner used when everyone else used perl
eulerscheZahl: code golf: you solve simple programming tasks. but with as few characters as possible
LagunaElectric: Ohhhh
LagunaElectric: That sounds pretty neat
LagunaElectric: When you need to write a python script but only have 32kb storage lol
miszu: imagine doing competition with 32kb
eulerscheZahl: we have 100kb
eulerscheZahl: + 768MB RAM
miszu: doing we have like 1GB of mem we can use?
miszu: ok yeah
miszu: 100kb + 768MB = 768 MB
miszu: what's the 100kb for?
darkhorse64: for the code
miszu: so your code file is max 100kb?
Astrobytes: Yes.
miszu: ohhhh
miszu: so there is a limit how much lookup table you put
ZarthaxX: miszu you mean lookup table like hardcoded?
eulerscheZahl: opening book
ZarthaxX: yeah i meant that
eulerscheZahl: ZarthaxX friendly reminder: you still have to react with :sob: on the #annoucements channel on discord
ZarthaxX: ohhh right
BlaiseEbuth: Oh? I'll do that to
ZarthaxX: i was surprised by the amount of negative emojis
eulerscheZahl: we can make our own statistics that work in our favor
ZarthaxX: done
Astrobytes: Why surprised? I wasn't.
ZarthaxX: we are about to surpass the thumbs up
miszu: ZarthaxX yeah exactly
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes i mean i dont like it either, but maybe it was just my personal taste lol
ZarthaxX: miszu ah ok
miszu: is this chat more active than disc?
ZarthaxX: so then yeah, you are limited by 100kb to hardcode
miszu: I rarely use disc
eulerscheZahl: this chat is more active, yes
Astrobytes: also hi ZarthaxX :)
BlaiseEbuth: Only for dinosaurs
ZarthaxX: haii
Astrobytes: usually
ZarthaxX: howdyy
Astrobytes: I wonder what all the staff feel about the change of contest format
ZarthaxX: anxious maybe
Astrobytes: That for sure, being a new thing yeah
ZarthaxX: emojis are not a good sign :D
eulerscheZahl: same. i have a feeling that thibaud has to sell soemthing to use that he himself doesn't fully stand behind
ZarthaxX: they are probably betting for new people coming in from this
Astrobytes: Participation will show I guess
BlaiseEbuth: They're all happy! And will stay happy until they change of job
eulerscheZahl: at least replacing the contest with it
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl: yes I get that feeling
ZarthaxX: BlaiseEbuth too perfect to be real :D
eulerscheZahl: i also wonder about jupoulton, who mostly coded the contests
BlaiseEbuth: Already fired
Astrobytes: Maybe he works a lot on Escapes now, who knows
ZarthaxX: he is working in the escape SDK as we speak :D
Astrobytes: heh heh
eulerscheZahl: we are programmers, even simple UI is challenging for us
eulerscheZahl: those escape rooms are much more about visuals
Astrobytes: True
ZarthaxX: i agree 10%
Astrobytes: Still, I imagine a lot of it is JS gluing it all together
ZarthaxX: 100000*
ZarthaxX: visuals are hard :/
Astrobytes: euler is a fantastic artist
BlaiseEbuth: Your feelings about the cm was just because he have to sell (do) something...
BlaiseEbuth: :speak_no_evil:
ZarthaxX: like bob ross Astrobytes
ZarthaxX: toad ross
eulerscheZahl: i feel trolled
Astrobytes: Toad Ross! :rofl:
Astrobytes: Little Happy Trees
Astrobytes: :tree:
Astrobytes: ffs
ZarthaxX: LOL
Astrobytes: :palm_tree:
eulerscheZahl: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/eulerscheZahl/TryAngle-Catch/master/src/main/resources/view/assets/background.png
I did this one all by myself
eulerscheZahl: background for tryangle catch, true masterpiece
eulerscheZahl: I also generated that with code
Astrobytes: that's pretty decent, not quite as good as your initial Tower Dereference art though :heart_eyes_cat:
ZarthaxX: i see that quite blurry huh
eulerscheZahl: i liked the attackers at my initial TD
eulerscheZahl: the angry face
Astrobytes: Yeah!
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: actually I wanted to draw a tower. then i made a bad mouse movement and suddenly it looked like a face :D
eulerscheZahl: not even joking
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: first thought: hey cool, I have an attacker now.
2nd thought: damn, I still need a tower
Astrobytes: You never know at which moment artistic genius will strike
struct: if you want to hardcode the opening you should pick amazons
struct: Book should be easy
jacek: oO
eulerscheZahl: not c4?
struct: never tried c4
jacek: opening book works well in onitama, hence the result i got
Astrobytes: c4 is too explosive for an opening book...
struct: meanwhile you probably cant book even depth 2 on amazons
Astrobytes: one day smits will find a way, he plays the long game
jacek: smits: "hold my beer"
Astrobytes: right :)
Astrobytes: euler: bedtime
Astrobytes: lol he went already :older_man:
LagunaElectric: What book are we talking about? 🤔
struct: opening books
struct: similar to what chess engines use
Astrobytes: https://www.chessprogramming.org/Opening_Book
LagunaElectric: Ahhhhh
LagunaElectric: I'm learning so much about the world just watching chat lol
EricMoret: lmao
struct: There is also end game books
miszu: and also end game solver up to 7 pieces or so
jacek: 8 pieces endtables seem to be within reach for todays supercomputers and petabytes ssd
Astrobytes: what a time to be alive :tada:
LagunaElectric: Need to rob bezos to afford that much storage and processing power, though ;-;
XeroOl: (
XeroOl: oops it keeps focusing the chat window
XeroOl: my bad
Astrobytes: don't forget your ?disableChat
XeroOl: yeah
XeroOl: I feel like the chat would be fine if it didn't grab focus every time it disconnects and refreshes
XeroOl: it literally pulls the cursor from the code into the chat
BlaiseEbuth: XeroOl https://greasyfork.org/fr/scripts/425707-cgunchat
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's a touch annoying.
Does it still do it if you just minimise the chat with the arrow?
BlaiseEbuth: No chat no problem
XeroOl: I don't think so, no
struct: your chat keep disconecting?
Astrobytes: well, the above 3 solutions should work
EricMoret: are ZacLiew or TimberStalker here ?
XeroOl: yeah, every once in a while it disconnects and reconnects
struct: hm
struct: That also happens in my other account
struct: but never on this one
struct: Its so strange
Astrobytes: That is peculiar
LagunaElectric: I wanna have a go at the brainfuck interpreter challenge but I haven't built an interpreter before and it's a bit intimidating
BlaiseEbuth: \o/
XeroOl: does python have tree sets?
Astrobytes: Just go for it LagunaElectric
XeroOl: I know what data structure I want, but I don't know what it's called in python
LagunaElectric: Xero if in doubt, implement it :D
XeroOl: yeah but this is python
BlaiseEbuth: Implement it in c
LagunaElectric: ^ then import lol
BlaiseEbuth: :p
Astrobytes: You can do basic trees with dictionaries and lists (or sets maybe?)
XeroOl: it doesn't really need to be a tree
Astrobytes: Or just encapsulate it in a class
LagunaElectric: yea, maybe a list of dicts?
LagunaElectric: or a dict of dicts!
XeroOl: I really just want O(n*log(n)) insertion + O(n*log(n)) "if this were inserted, what would it's index be"
LagunaElectric: I should really learn about big O
AllYourTrees: whats a tree set
miszu: Big Oh is easy concept
LagunaElectric: ^
AllYourTrees: does it have a name in another language you know?
XeroOl: Java has it as TreeSet
AllYourTrees: oh so just a set?
XeroOl: not quite
XeroOl: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/TreeSet.html#lower(E)
XeroOl: specifically this method isn't something that a regular set has
AllYourTrees: ahh yeah i don't think python has anything like that built in
LagunaElectric: Implement it, bb :)
LagunaElectric: Then you can have it do whatever you like!
XeroOl: there is no reason to implement it here
AllYourTrees: maybe heapq? https://docs.python.org/3/library/heapq.html
AllYourTrees: that just gives you the datastructure though, you'd still need to walk it yourself for the lower method
XeroOl: well heaps can find the smallest with log(n)
XeroOl: but not like an arbitrary size binary search
XeroOl: maybe I can get away with just a heap here
XeroOl: I dunno
LagunaElectric: I believe in you :D
BlaiseEbuth: I don't. Let's hope Laguna support will be enough...
Astrobytes: Experiment, you'll learn along the way anyway
LagunaElectric: My support doesn't always work, but it does help :)
XeroOl: it's just that re-implementing a red-black tree isn't worth my time
XeroOl: I might as well just solve this in Java lol
BlaiseEbuth: :scream:
XeroOl: heapq is definitely new to me
LagunaElectric: ;-;
XeroOl: I will try to remember that
AllYourTrees: :tada:
AllYourTrees: jacek how many sims per turn do you use during training for NN+MCTS?
XeroOl: I feel like I should just read through every single valid python import one by one
Astrobytes: implementing anything in anything is usually worth your time if you want to get to know the language
Astrobytes: (within reason ofc)
AllYourTrees: Xero maybe bisect library useful for you? https://docs.python.org/3/library/bisect.html
AllYourTrees: they have example code for " 'Find rightmost value less than or equal to x':
XeroOl: oooooo
XeroOl: it's not quite O(logn) for insertion, but that looks super useful
carl-h: hey
carl-h: where can i contact owner of the website?
JBM: find the contact tab
carl-h: the community manager is horrid and bias towards moderators.
carl-h: punishes them for doing things he doesn't like even if it isn't against the rules
JBM: power corrupts, news at 11
carl-h: wym?
miszu: like what?
carl-h: are you asking me?
miszu: yes
carl-h: join general vc on their discord ill screen share and show you
carl-h: just to verify as proof
carl-h: if you cannot that is okay i will just explain but it'll take a bit
miszu: I don't see general_vc
carl-h: im in it currently
carl-h: in the discord
miszu: I am on my phone so can't access voice
carl-h: its labeled general under VOICE CHANNELS
carl-h: my phone is able to it could be a bug
carl-h: drop your discord
carl-h: or i can
Astrobytes: you again
Astrobytes: Banned. See discord for details
miszu: lol what happened?
**Illedan slaps carl-h around a bit with a large fishbot
Illedan: *around a lot
ipsissimus: guys help
ipsissimus: im addicted to code clash
b1gfreakn: as long as it's not reverse mode
darkhorse64: delete your account
ipsissimus: i literally hate reverse questions
ipsissimus: takes me 12 mins to figure it out
ipsissimus: cuz i have a smooth aerodynamic brain
ipsissimus: no gross wrinkles
b1gfreakn: they're awful and so damn vague. they leave me feeling stupid and i don't feel like they help me hone coding skills
ipsissimus: no wrinkle = no think
ipsissimus: no think = no sad
b1gfreakn: the number-based ones anyway.
ipsissimus: always that pesky 4th test case
ipsissimus: whats this??
ipsissimus: first place for the first time ever?
ipsissimus: nani?
b1gfreakn: nice
b1gfreakn: feels good.
Astrobytes: Do puzzles, multis or optims instead
Manjius: if i do this in python: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fd15caec-fc10-401c-83e2-f33d5803ac27
Manjius: oh wtf
Schwase: i thought i kind of understood python until i just found out that you can assign basic operations like "int" to a single character. Mind blown
Manjius: im gonna test it lets see
Manjius: it does, wtf
Manjius: its a reference not a copy
ZarthaxX: int is just a function
ZarthaxX: you can assign functions to variables and use the variables as functions
ZarthaxX: they just point to the function you assigned them
ZarthaxX: no black magic there
Wontonimo: anyone here?
miszu: hey
mr.bossman: no
ZarthaxX: ye
DarknessR: Hmm
Wontonimo: hey miszu, it's been a while
Wontonimo: how are you?
Wontonimo: hey ZarthaxX :wave:
Wontonimo: (/*-*)/ Zarthax \(*-*\)
Astrobytes: I'm here, but I'm really gone
I'm tired and going to bed, babyyy
Wontonimo: bye bye Astro!
Thorcode: Wontonimo how could you go to bed so late?
Wontonimo: i'm not going to bed
Wontonimo: it's only 8:45pm here
Wontonimo: anyone working on a bot battle or puzzle that they'd like to talk about?
miszu: I am doing the fall challenge 2020
miszu: rewriting it
miszu: trying to do sims
Wontonimo: oh cool
miszu: reading all the small rules so that my state is correct
Wontonimo: I"ve only achieve wood 1 in FC2020
Wontonimo: haven't written a sim yet
miszu: yeah lots of edge cases to figure out
Wontonimo: oh nice, you are in silver and in the top 25% overall
miszu: but I was doing stupid thing
miszu: nothing very smart
Wontonimo: what search are you using?
Wontonimo: seems like beam, bfs, dfs, minimax, and mcts would all be reasonable
miszu: I will try to use the beam search
miszu: which is a special case of bfs
miszu: dfs makes no sense
Wontonimo: wdym dfs makes no sense?
miszu: because you use heuristics to chose your next node to explore
Wontonimo: you could still use dfs, and some heuristics could be to prune (to get deeper) and some heuristics could be for scoring
miszu: but that's not dfs anymore :) it becomes beam search
Wontonimo: if there is no queue then it is dfs. you need a queue for beam
miszu: and it feels like the deeper you go, the less weight it will have
miszu: because there are lots of unknown
struct: beam is considered bfs?
struct: dfs*
Wontonimo: dfs uses FIFO, bfs uses FILO, beam uses sorted queue
miszu: if we talk vanilla
Wontonimo: sorry dfs is FILO
miszu: I am not vanilla
Wontonimo: bfs is FIFO
miszu: yes correct
Wontonimo: how long did it take you to write the sim ? i'm wondering if I want to jump in
miszu: i haven't start it yet
miszu: I am still writing the actions for my model
Wontonimo: oh, you got to silver without a sim!
miszu: yeah
Wontonimo: hats off
miszu: so I did ctrl A + del and doing it the correct way
miszu: getting out of silver you need a good sims
miszu: thanks
miszu: usually you can get silver without sims
struct: which game?
miszu: the witch game
struct: I had to sim that one
struct: first I had MC which reached silver I think
struct: then I switched to beam search
Wontonimo: seems like a beam problem
Wontonimo: there are so many rules for this sim
miszu: yeah I know
miszu: lots of corner cases
Wontonimo: how long did it take you to write the sim struct?
struct: like 1 day
struct: But I ignored enemy
Wontonimo: seems reasonable
Wontonimo: got you to legend
struct: only after the contest ended
struct: Also my beam search wasnt correct
struct: Every depth I would count all the moves that originated that state
struct: an
struct: and then at the end I chose the most present one
miszu: coding the sims sounds the fun part
miszu: writing the engine and all the rules is the not-so-fun part
Wontonimo: the rules and edge cases is what we normally call the "simulation"
the search, like mcts or beam, we usually call it "the search"
liboy129: wsp
Wontonimo: talking about code
Wontonimo: have you tried this contribution ? https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/894199f1812b7f93203e7db5a30b5ff51dbafb
magus2: looks interesting
Wontonimo: since all the legal moves are provided, it is pretty easy to make a random bot
Wontonimo: or a heuristic value for each move and just pick the valid move that has the best heuristic score
liboy129: damn that was fun
miszu: I smell MCTS on steroid
Trevodorax: ok
