MiyamuraIzumi: well, I am from Mars
StopDiscriminatingAsian: well, I am from a jail
swaggycat: helloooo
ProCoder03: I was born in Mars (March in German) :sunglasses:
OwlGifter2.0: i am really unefficient with 2d arrays in java, i be filling out constraints for every posibility
ProCoder03: try 2D arrray in C !!
OwlGifter2.0: i dont know C T~T fairly new to programming and java is the first programming lang. im learning ;-;
ProCoder03: what are you going ??
ProCoder03: with 2D arrays
ProCoder03: *doing
mr.bossman: ah there ar multiple types ... try 2D arrray in C !!
OwlGifter2.0: well im doing the reverse minesweeper puzzle
OwlGifter2.0: and for each x im basically setting all array values around the x to 1 and it has become 99+ lines of code to do the simple ones ;-;
ProCoder03: That's Java :wink:
OwlGifter2.0: is it really? T~T im exhausted lmao
OwlGifter2.0: i think i need another 200+ to fit all the possible conditions lmao
MiyamuraIzumi: you could see other published solutions after you solve a problem
OwlGifter2.0: i know
ProCoder03: Did you finish ASCII art OwlGifter2.0
MiyamuraIzumi: solve the problem by yourself first, then check for others
OwlGifter2.0: the problem is im too lazy to code it all and i know there should be a better way of doing it ;-;
OwlGifter2.0: and ummm no ;-;
OwlGifter2.0: i gave up on that one hhh
ProCoder03: Then do it first, its 2D array
MiyamuraIzumi: so the main problem is your laziness, not your code
OwlGifter2.0: ummm i mean yeah i guess
OwlGifter2.0: i just wanna be more efficient
OwlGifter2.0: not really wanna code 300+ lines for an easy puzzle ;-;
ProCoder03: I understand :P
OwlGifter2.0: and thank you procoder, ill give that a try again as when i gave up on it i hadnt learned arrays yet
OwlGifter2.0: :D
ProCoder03: Just tinker around with arrays for 1 week locally
OwlGifter2.0: ok ill give that a try :D
ProCoder03: every CG puzzle can be solved 10% with Arrays atleast..
OwlGifter2.0: ill try my best to learn arrays, thank you :D
dreadylein: @OwlGifter2.0 if people have the feeling you put effort into it, asking questions here will nearly always find someone willing to help you if you get stuck
ProCoder03: yeah CG has the most hospitable community ever
dreadylein: if they dont feel like you wawnna be spoonfed thats true :D
OwlGifter2.0: i know its just i feel stupid for trying to code it in such an long manual manner ;-;
dreadylein: eh, dont do that hehe
OwlGifter2.0: xD
ProCoder03: I too feel like that sometime hehe
ProCoder03: Its normal..
OwlGifter2.0: im trying not to but i felt the same way when instead of using for loops i would use more variables, it was a dark time xD
dreadylein: i crossed the boarder on 2 decades coding and feel the same, so all good :D
dreadylein: you will always learn ways to organize stuff nicer
OwlGifter2.0: ok ok good to know, yeah its not a pleasant feeling
OwlGifter2.0: and i just found out today that when you complete a puzzle you get access to other peoples answers so i can adjust my code and adapt it from their responses xD
Thorcode: Owl solo clash?
Thorcode: sorry husoki I can't join my clash cuz my network crash
Thorcode: bored
DerMert: :flag_eg:
Thorcode: solo? dermert
Thorcode: thor gona beat you
DerMert: what is that?
Thorcode: COC
ivanmusa: hahahaa wtf
DerMert: clash of clans?
ivanmusa: clash royale 1v1?
Thorcode: yeah
ivanmusa: hahahahaa
Thorcode: ok
ivanmusa: what deck u playin
Thorcode: how to solo clash royale
Gussaci: Hä
ivanmusa: egiant and elitebarbs
Thorcode: just mine and knight and tower
Gussaci: Hat jemand 3?
DerMert: same bracuh auch 3
DerMert: brauch
ivanmusa: pls send solution of this
ivanmusa: we lazy and our teacher wants us to finish this
DerMert: thorcode did you do number 3?
DerMert: pls help
Thorcode: in ?
DerMert: MIME type
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: you want to solve clash royal ?
DerMert: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/mime-type
Thorcode: I haven't solve it
Thorcode: I solve another one
Thorcode: bruh
DerMert: ah
DerMert: well
Gussaci: Who r u?
Thorcode: and that is deck in Clash royal
DerMert: ????
Thorcode: oh you haven't played clash royal?
DerMert: yes i have
Thorcode: Gussaci 01:52PM
Who r u?
Thorcode: thor
DerMert: but im not talking ybout clash royale im talking about coding game
Thorcode: I know
DerMert: youre here at 9am for a reason
DerMert: have a life?
Thorcode: how do you know that
DerMert: cuz its 9 am
ivanmusa: bc its 9 am lol
ivanmusa: you from europe?
ivanmusa: :D
Thorcode: nope
Thorcode: it almost 2PM in my country
Thorcode: lol
ivanmusa: ohhh
DerMert: turkey?
Thorcode: no
ivanmusa: you from the us?
Thorcode: no
Thorcode: VN
DerMert: waht is vn?
Thorcode: You guy look older than me
Thorcode: VIETNAMESE
ivanmusa: oh sheeeeesh
DerMert: ohhh
DerMert: how u know what i look like?
ivanmusa: we 17 and 18
ivanmusa: ma brother
Thorcode: hold to your proflie
Thorcode: i'm 13
DerMert: 13 and u know how to coe?
DerMert: code
Thorcode: yeah
DerMert: thats impressive
Thorcode: I know it when i was in grade 4
n.vaite: asilas
DerMert: wow
Thorcode: you and ivan are brother?
ivanmusa: no
DerMert: yes
Thorcode: I'm confusing
ivanmusa: he is not my biological one
Thorcode: bruh
ivanmusa: he was adopted
a3: asilas
Thorcode: lmao
DerMert: asilas
Thorcode: what is asilas
DerMert: idk the guy keeps saying it
n.vaite: asilas
Thorcode: guy
Thorcode: what is asilas
ivanmusa: hahahaha what
Thorcode: play some private clash ?
a3: asilas
Thorcode: what is asilas
Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1979904498a5d9a64e78744059cfa138e5c4aba
a3: it is asilas
Thorcode: lmao
a3: there is no explanation
a3: it is only asilas
Thorcode: bruh
a3: it is not bruh
a3: its asilas
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: lmao
a3: it is neither ok nor lmao
a3: asilas
Uljahn: pls no spam
Thorcode: Coding game is quite in these day
Thorcode: how to know the highest mointain in the descent?
BlaiseEbuth: :straight_ruler:
Thorcode: bruh
Alejandro127: good morning
MeBen: Thorcode you're given the height of all mountains as input each turn
Thorcode: thanks
Thorcode: bruh
Thorcode: it have a solution
MeBen: I'm not sure what you mean. It's very simple.
Thorcode: in hint it have solotion
Thorcode: well
Thorcode: I solve it
MeBen: nice, well done
Thorcode: how to use the last line in ascill art
MeBen: Part of these puzzles are to figure things out by yourself :P
Thorcode: bruh
Thorcode: I solved most of the puzzle
Thorcode: to start in easy
Thorcode: but ascill art is hard
MeBen: It gives you the ascii art
Thorcode: yeah
Thorcode: the last line
Thorcode: I rather tried shadow of the knight
Thorcode: try
Uljahn: what is the last line?
Thorcode: the ascill code line
Uljahn: ascii-art is multiline, it's in the loop
Thorcode: oh
Uljahn: read the descrition
Uljahn: description
raizbro: hi'
Thorcode: where is the last line in code
raizbro: oh
raizbro: I kno
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: can you help me
Uljahn: :rolling_eyes:
raizbro: for
raizbro: that
raizbro: you
Thorcode: yeah
Uljahn: use DM guys
raizbro: need
raizbro: to
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: yeah
raizbro: fowlling
Uljahn: no spam here
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: well you are the rule keeper in chat Ulijahn
Uljahn: im trying to be nice
Thorcode: yeah
Gussaci: Hat wer?
Thorcode: why today has too many australia guy
Gussaci: austria du kek
ivanmusa: hahahaha
ivanmusa: gussaci is my 2nd brother
Uljahn: pls use english here
ProCoder03: Gussaci This is only for english, use #de
DerMert: :nerd:
ivanmusa: im sorry daddy procoder03
ivanmusa: im your kitten
ivanmusa: and youre my master
Thorcode: wow you have many bro ivan
ivanmusa: uwu
ivanmusa: hahahahaha
Uljahn: you're too talkative for a lvl 3, aren't you supposed to practice coding here?
raizbro: no
ivanmusa: im not here bc its fun
DerMert: were here bcuz we have to
ivanmusa: our teacher forces us to do some things
DerMert: its kinda fun ngl
Uljahn: so you don't really need the chat
ivanmusa: i need it
raizbro: what
ivanmusa: so we can communicate
Justin-Truong: why
raizbro: why
ivanmusa: why
DerMert: why
Justin-Truong: bruh
ivanmusa: bruh
Justin-Truong: stop it
ivanmusa: stop it
raizbro: stop it
Uljahn: you can create your own channel e.g. #austria
ivanmusa: we can?
Gussaci: a leberkas semmal
Thorcode: wow
Thorcode: how
Gussaci: Omg i know u didnt kik ivan
DerMert: ISTG
Uljahn: next time is ban
Thorcode: wow
Thorcode: you can ban?
Justin-Truong: how powerful are you Uljahn
Uljahn: we have to keep the chat comfortable for those who is interested in coding
Justin-Truong: nice
Thorcode: gosh the fith test case I be like
Thorcode: what is the command to make a new channel Uljahn
Uljahn: use /help
Uljahn: there's /join roomName
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: use /join
Thorcode: thanks
ProCoder03: #spam go here...
Uljahn: also #clash
Uljahn: there are no mods there, so you can go full ape
Thorcode: yes
Thorcode: I passed the ascll art
Thorcode: that tough
raizbro: WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Benji-the-scripter: hello?
Benji-the-scripter: "Uljahn 09:59AM
we have to keep the chat comfortable for those who is interested in coding"
Yeah right you relly did that to me yesterday
Benji-the-scripter: verry comfortable
Benji-the-scripter: very*
Uljahn: maybe you should actually do more coding instead of flooding the chat and complaining
Uljahn: also read this: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
and this: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/moderation
Uljahn: "Should you have an issue with a moderator, please contact another moderator or CodinGame's community manager directly ([CG]Thibaud)."
Benji-the-scripter: not to any help
Benji-the-scripter: btw no help from you
Uljahn: "remember that they don't have to answer you"
Uljahn: im not a CG employee, just a regular user, i have my own work to do
Thorcode: guys
Thorcode: could you help me
Thorcode: I need your like on faceboook
Thorcode: to win this competition
Thorcode: to take the money from it to upgrade my latop
Thorcode: please
Thorcode: https://www.facebook.com/groups/300639484090442/permalink/1005365200284530/
Thorcode: support me or you guys like it is ok
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Thorcode: Thank you
Benji-the-scripter: i support u
Thorcode: thank you wish you guy best luck
Thorcode: you guy Just like it
gugrbywitkr: heyo
Benji-the-scripter: hello
gugrbywitkr: what's up
ProCoder03: Thorcode is your other account Justin Troung ??
MiyamuraIzumi: Heyzo
MiyamuraIzumi: sup
Thorcode: ?
GruelingPine185: hello
Thorcode: hi
Thorcode: shall you support me
Thorcode: guys plz
Uljahn: pls stop spamming
Thorcode: okk
Thorcode: pls help me
Uljahn: what's your question?
BlaiseEbuth: He wants help, not answers.
Justin-Truong: how to intput in php
Justin-Truong: input int in php
Justin-Truong: like make a var
Justin-Truong: pls help me
Jazzar101: uh
Justin-Truong: so
Jazzar101: try google
Justin-Truong: how to input number in php?
Justin-Truong: lmao
Justin-Truong: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2bebca9c-a4b8-41b2-bf80-4030c01d5651
gugrbywitkr: $a = 5?
Justin-Truong: bruh
Justin-Truong: no like
Justin-Truong: (int)input
Justin-Truong: $year = (int)readline();
Justin-Truong: like thiss
gugrbywitkr: fscanf(STDIN, "%d", $yourvariable);
Justin-Truong: THanks
Justin-Truong: alot
Westicles: so many 13yo Hanoians
Justin-Truong: yeah
Westicles: you guys should have a picnic
Justin-Truong: no
Justin-Truong: in VN there is still restriction
Justin-Truong: sad
BlaiseEbuth: Does this hanoy you Westicles?
Justin-Truong: what is hanoy
Justin-Truong: new words?
Justin-Truong: Thor and I almost the same
MohED: :eye:
MohED: :eye: :eye:
MohED: :eye: :eye: :eye:
MohED: :eye: :eye: :eye: :eye:
MohED: any people here
Astrobytes: Yes. Quit spamming rubbish please.
MohED: what do you mean with spamming
Illedan: Writing messages without any deeper meaning about life
MohED: oh, I understand now
MohED: sorry
struct: darkhorse64 I think you are right, loa could use a little more time, and it should be fine to reduce max turns to 150
struct: But I havent managed to make a good bot yet
struct: I think any time between 150-200 will work
struct: it wont be much because most battles vs bad bots will take like < 30 turns
eulerscheZahl: oh, so many eyes
struct: you have a match today euler?
Uljahn: a lower triangular matrix of identity matrices :sweat:
eulerscheZahl: yes. best of 5 today, first match in 4h 15min. will be streamed live on twitch with commenting
Astrobytes: fame at last!
eulerscheZahl: and 0.1ETH safe already
eulerscheZahl: played some test matches vs my opponent from today last week. he had to learn the hard way that he can't play vs me the same way as he does vs others
MohED: against who you are going to play the match
eulerscheZahl: https://yare.io/replay/isygv1s24w1l3
the thing around frame 90 happened all the time when he got too close
eulerscheZahl: he won the match where he didn't try to disturb me though. but I improved a lot in the last week
struct: whats the twitch channel?
eulerscheZahl: i'm not 100% sure. but there was another match streamed 2 days ago
eulerscheZahl: In English on roxkstar74's channel: https://www.twitch.tv/roxkstar74
in Spanish on baumannzone's channel: https://www.twitch.tv/baumannzone
Westicles: I wonder if the teads puzzle is still out there somewhere
Illedan: Gratz on 0.1 ETH. that is some money
Wontonimo: I really don't understand how yare.io is making money, or how it is going to evolve into something that does
Wontonimo: it is all very hard-coded. at least if there were 5 different maps, but it's always the same map
Wontonimo: yeah, congrats eulerscheZahl on the ETH
M0H07ED: wait a minute guys does yare.io give you ETH for wining javascript competition
Wontonimo: no
Wontonimo: it is a promotional match, to attract players one-time
Wontonimo: it may happen again sometime, but it isn't something you can join this late in the competition
eulerscheZahl: they are planning some game changes and another contest
eulerscheZahl: i suggested randomly generated maps, not sure if it will happen
Illedan: Of the same gameplay?
Illedan: What about C# support? :D
eulerscheZahl: they plan to change the rules. but no details announced yet
eulerscheZahl: you can use C# if you get it working yourself
Illedan: hm
eulerscheZahl: one player is using Rust via WASM
eulerscheZahl: C# also works with WASM, see Blazor
NoahSK: hey guys!
Illedan: I know
Illedan: Maybe one da
Illedan: y
Illedan: Too busy these days
eulerscheZahl: these 5 months off from work must be really stressful :P
Wontonimo: :wave: NoahSK welcome
NoahSK: ty
Retorian: Hy
Wontonimo: :wave: Retorian welcome
thibout: hey
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: WSP
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: :wave:
Wontonimo: :wave: Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf
Aduboahen: hey
Aresmouth: hey
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: how is everyone
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: this morning/noon/night
Aresmouth: almost the end of the day at the office :D
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: nice
Aresmouth: & u
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Starting school
Aresmouth: so good luck ! almost week-end !
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Yep
Wontonimo: anyone here new-ish who would like to be given an intro into bot battles?
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I need help on this loop thing
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm new
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I just started today
Wontonimo: there is a game called connect 4 and tic tac toe
Wontonimo: type
/join botbattles
and I'll chat there
Wontonimo: or click here #botbattles
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: What is everyone doing today
Mirkoal: Hi, end of the week. First time here. (old programmer / dev)
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: nice
essaberYahya: hi
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Hi
Wontonimo: hey Mirkoal, there is a lot on this site, like bot battles and puzzles.
Wontonimo: what kind of dev work have you done?
brule: !
brule: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brule: :peace:
brule: :peace:
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: hi
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Hi
Uljahn: pls stop spamming
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: srry just want to talk to some one
Uljahn: so your "want to be a coder" is a lie all along
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: ???
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: No
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm just bored rn
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I do want to be a coder
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: the college I want to go to MIT College
MasterCyph3r: Bro i'm so glad i found this site!!!!
demooo: I also wanted go to MIT. I was rejected
Westicles: brass rats for everyone
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: damn that sucks
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I just some one to talk to I'm bored AS FUCK
eulerscheZahl: that's not our problem
demooo: you do realize you are talking to us right now right
demooo: but you are using all your messages to ask to talk to someone
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: oh yeah sorry I'm in school and bored
eulerscheZahl: talk to your classmates
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: nah they doing their thing and they don't want to talk about coidng
demooo: then say something about coding
chorusjourney: Hi guys, I have create a class before the main class of the Scrabble test, I made getters/setters, but it always responde null when I use a get. Do you know if I can't create/use class that I made?
demooo: place your code on a code sharing website so people can look at it
eulerscheZahl: did you create an instance of that class?
eulerscheZahl: you can just paste your code here
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: ????
chorusjourney: Euler I really post here?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Stilgart: yep
chorusjourney: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3cb31e82-e8b3-4ad0-a9c1-2f081bba0258
Stilgart: see ;)
eulerscheZahl: magic
chorusjourney: Ahah right I though I'll trash the chat
chorusjourney: Tx
eulerscheZahl: value = this.value;
eulerscheZahl: should be: this.value = value
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: ????
chorusjourney: Damn....
Stilgart: gg euler
eulerscheZahl: sometimes it's the stupid mistakes, I almost overlooked it as well
Stilgart: (I missed that one)
chorusjourney: Tx for your help, very kind
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I need help with python 3
eulerscheZahl: int pos = ((int) a) - 97
int pos = a - 'a'
eulerscheZahl: does the same thing
chorusjourney: a is my variable, it's char, that I want to link to a number in a tab
eulerscheZahl: i know
Stilgart: a char is an int, actually
Stilgart: sort of
eulerscheZahl: but that 97 is the ASCII code of the letter 'a'
chorusjourney: Aaah yeah I know what you mean now
eulerscheZahl: and you don't have to write it as 97 (which you can do of course)
Stilgart: I wanted to say that a char is an integer
eulerscheZahl: but 'a' is more readable than 97
Stilgart: and easier to remember too
eulerscheZahl: maybe we should rename the variable a by c (like character) to avoid confusion
eulerscheZahl: c - 'a'
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: .........................
chorusjourney: So you mean that if I write a - 'a' will return to me the difference between my char and the first letter of alphabet?
Stilgart: Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: you won't have any answer if you don't ask a specific question
eulerscheZahl: ask your question and stop asking to ask. my urge to kick is rising
eulerscheZahl: 'a' takes the ASCII value of that character. it gets replaced by 97 during compilation
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: oh ok
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm am borecd
eulerscheZahl: you told multiple times
eulerscheZahl: this chat is not the right place to compensate for that
chorusjourney: Hum, I understand, I learned things like this with C
eulerscheZahl: in C you can also do -'a'
MeBen: The amount of nonsense you guys have to deal with in this chat is astonishing
eulerscheZahl: sometimes it's hard to be patient. but i don't want to instantly kick/ban everyone
Stilgart: would be nice to have a title
eulerscheZahl: title? like PhD?
Stilgart: sometimes, it is just that people do not know how to interact with a chat
eulerscheZahl: aah, a header text to explain
chorusjourney: Very cool tips, don't thougth that it work on Java too, tx a lot
Stilgart: a banner to tell people to directly ask their question, and so on
Stilgart: and to avoid MPs
MeBen: IRC etiquette, basically
Stilgart: (they are a real knighmare on CG)
Stilgart: -k
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1thdi4g
discord has this on #general
Stilgart: +t
Stilgart: this should help at least a little
eulerscheZahl: what annoys me the most: when people keep asking me general questions (e.g. like to get into coding, where to start) in a private message rather than using a public chat
eulerscheZahl: * i feel obliged to answer
- i might be biased or don't know some good resources that others can give
Stilgart: I can't understand why, but it is really ANNOYING
Stilgart: I can*
Stilgart: my english is really broken today :/
eulerscheZahl: i see you get those messages too :D
Stilgart: and tabs that keeps poping for days
MeBen: Maybe a pop up like you get in Discord that tells you the rules and basic etiquette before you can start chatting would be a good idea
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: I'm the only one here form USA
Stilgart: pretty sure you get one when you reach lvl 3
eulerscheZahl: it's more realistic that this chat will disappear and only leave discord for interaction I fear
MeBen: Would be a shame just for the rare clash interaction I encounter
Stilgart: Discord is not suitable for chat anyway
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: https://www.codingame.com/ide/42905866413ff7b3c33af8a04224be91144c2bca
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: HELP
MeBen: We can't access your IDE session. If you want help, ask for something specific and we can try our best.
Stilgart: Something wrong happened
Only the CodinGamer associated with this testsession can access it
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: FUCK
struct: chill
MeBen: Calm down
demooo: I think we might be getting trolled
Stilgart: would be easier to tell us the title of the puzzle and to ask a concrete question
MeBen: I think they're just young to be honest, with that name and everything
Westicles: Astro has banned him like 20 times now
chorusjourney: And the fact that he's 14
struct: rules still apply
eulerscheZahl: Damocles sword is pending over his head already, don't worry
demooo: You said discord was bad for chas @Stilgart. What makes you have that opinion? It's a chat app
Stilgart: did i miss something ?
Stilgart: afaik, discord was an voip app to begin with
chorusjourney: For me it's less reachable
STOP4643: ㅗㅑ
STOP4643: hi
eulerscheZahl: somehow i just like this chat. feels more casual to me than discord
STOP4643: help me..........
Stilgart: and adding a chat above it makes it slow and ugly (to my eyes at least)
demooo: Discord is indeed a voip app but I believe that, even at launch, discord had fully fledged chat functionalities
STOP4643: help
Stilgart: starcraft 2 has a chat too :)
demooo: STOP4643, ask the question you need help with. Don't ask for help without any more info
Stilgart: but I won't call it a chat app
demooo: Discord chat is convenient and supports all functionality that 99% of individuals would desire from a chat app
demooo: Not sure where it is even remotely lacking. Chat it a 1st class citizen along with voice
STOP4643: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/chuck-norris
Stilgart: either I want 3% of what others wants or chat apps exist since decades
eulerscheZahl: you mean 1.84%?
chorusjourney: @euler I pass my first test but I have other problems for the rest
Tx for your help
Have a good day to everybody:upside_down:
Stilgart: it's 1.64% actually
Stilgart: (yes, I had to go to discord to check this one)
STOP4643: It's too difficult.
struct: try to solve an easier puzzle then
demooo: Not sure what you mean by that
eulerscheZahl: indeed, 1.64%. that's even worse
Stilgart: in my opinion, on discord, the pace is too slow to be a real chat, and too fast to be a forum
Stilgart: (and for the record, I don't like forums anymore)
demooo: What do you mean by pace in this context? Is pace not defined by the members of the chat?
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: How old is everyone here
demooo: old enough to write code
eulerscheZahl: your age * 2
struct: well cg discord has a decent number of members but 0 activity
Stilgart: their reactivity, the length of their answer, and so on
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: eulerscheZahl ur 28
Stilgart: and don't take it too seriously, it is just my opinion of discord ;)
eulerscheZahl: i muted most channels
demooo: So are you specifically referring to the codingame discord, or discord as a whole?
eulerscheZahl: i mostly use discord as a news feed. contest announcements
Stilgart: all the discord rooms I went where about the same
eulerscheZahl: #external-contests is my favorite channel on CG discord
Stilgart: (less than 10)
Stilgart: maybe I am unlucky
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: #single_as_Fuck join if u are
eulerscheZahl: can i kick please?
Stilgart: but I prefer chat here on this webchat, and read stuff on reddit
Astrobytes: ban it
Astrobytes: hi btw
Stilgart: \o
eulerscheZahl: hi
struct: hi
MeBen: I tried using Pidgin for this chat but since my account is tied to Github it doesn't seem to work
Stilgart: the cat is angry, the toad is angry, the turtle looks angry
eulerscheZahl: the troll is kicked
Astrobytes: Ah yes, a new turtle picture for you Stilgart
eulerscheZahl: i'm tensed. that's the right word i think
eulerscheZahl: yare in 30min
Astrobytes: Good luck!
demooo: Then I can understand your opinion of the specific CG discord. I was confused because it seemed that you presented it as an argument for the application as a whole
struct: gl
Stilgart: MeBen: pidgin doesn't seem to work (but it is another story, this soft is on my forever-blacklisted list)
eulerscheZahl: i don't have many discord servers that i joined
Stilgart: cool, now I have a kawaii tab \o/
eulerscheZahl: i kicked but don't have that chat yet
eulerscheZahl: :tada:
MeBen: Do you have a suggestions for a different xmpp client?
Astrobytes: Discord is my 'social media', as is CG
eulerscheZahl: recently some other mod banned a user and i got spammed to please unban
eulerscheZahl: then the chat server got a reboot and the ban was lost
demooo: My primary social media is reddit, followed by discord
Stilgart: I am using gajim, even though I am not a big fan
eulerscheZahl: tried it for a bit. always was red in my task bar when a new message popped up
Stilgart: and I have absolutely no idea what a "social media" might mean :)
eulerscheZahl: back to webchat
MeBen: What do you put in as password if you use OAuth2 to log into CG?
eulerscheZahl: gh67AL§
Stilgart: this chat and irc are probably my social media
Stilgart: for CG, I am using the webchat
Stilgart: (I really find it more attractive than discord)
MeBen: eulerscheZahl: hunter2?
eulerscheZahl: there is some way to reset your password and turn your github login into email+password
Astrobytes: The thing that annoys me about the web chat, is the total lack of even relatively basic functionality (removing messages etc)
eulerscheZahl: i don't know the exact steps, never was in that situation
Astrobytes: And the most annoying thing about that is that we're stuck with it in this state.
eulerscheZahl: yare stream started
https://www.twitch.tv/roxkstar74
struct: They should have added account age
struct: bans are useless
Stilgart: in fact, bans are usually useless
struct: at least when i kick/ban on discord i can choose to auto remove the messages
demooo: what is the subject matter of the stream?
struct: its an AI tournament
eulerscheZahl: a bot contest
eulerscheZahl: i'm playing soon
Astrobytes: If we could remove the offending messages the chat would have a little more respectability. I shudder to think what kind of impression it makes on some new people when they see it at times
eulerscheZahl: hey, he can pronounce my nick :)
Astrobytes: Anyone with a brain can :)
eulerscheZahl: some say uler
Astrobytes: I know. It's a personal bugbear of mine lol. Must be a Euclid/Euler thing
MeBen: I don't know the process of becoming a mod, but it seems weird that there's these features to make mods lives easier that just aren't implemented. Do you not have contact with the admins?
BlaiseEbuth: Admins ? There's no such thing...
Astrobytes: We do. We were informed that the web chat will never be updated.
MeBen: Great
struct: darkhorse64 you here by any chance?
Stilgart: i didn't see him the last few days
zomboi1012: me neither
struct: I need to still figure eval and learn some minimax stuff
struct: my depth 7 minimax loses to depth 5 ludii minimax :(
zomboi1012: ikr it's kinda frustrating
Astrobytes: What don't you know wrt minimax struct?
struct: wrt?
Astrobytes: with respect/regard to
struct: i only know the basic
struct: alpha beta
Wontonimo: not negamax ?
Astrobytes: The key is getting the eval working very well first
Astrobytes: and yeah, negamax is cleaner
Wontonimo: it is a lot more like mcts backprop where you reverse the reward
struct: my mcts i doing better currently I think
struct: ill check it
Astrobytes: Are you using best move from previous depth? Any other move ordering?
struct: no move ordering at all
Astrobytes: Well I would strongly recommend implementing some
Wontonimo: if you do depth 7 and are losing to depth 5, then it is a question of eval
Wontonimo: if your depth 7 loses to your depth 5, then it could be a bug in eval or your tree logic
MiyamuraIzumi: dep 7 lose to dep 5 is normal, I think
struct: I dont think its detecting win properly
MiyamuraIzumi: a better move in dep 7 may actually not really good in longer run
struct: I mean lose*
struct: But I cant ask much from my 1 line eval
Astrobytes: Yeah as I said first of all, work on the eval, without it you have nothing.
struct: what score should my minimax returns
struct: if opponent can win in the next play
struct: so in 2 plys
struct: mine + opponent
Astrobytes: if the opponent wins you need to backprop loss for you and win for him
Astrobytes: negamax does help here as Wontonimo said, it's a bit more intuitive
Stilgart: MiyamuraIzumi: it may... but it should definitely not happen often
Stilgart: struct: -1
Stilgart: and I agree with negamax
BlaiseEbuth: Who's negamax?
Stilgart: the guy who invented the algorithm with the same name ;)
BlaiseEbuth: :o
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
MiyamuraIzumi: and ...
MiyamuraIzumi: I still don't see official announcement on FC2021 format
aCat: dates are still unknown?
Astrobytes: Yes. But format is confirmed as: Escape Room
struct: thibaud said it would be around Halloween
ZarthaxX: contest is a escape room??
Astrobytes: Yes.
ZarthaxX: so wont last ,uch
ZarthaxX: much
Astrobytes: couple of hours. No CP awarded
ZarthaxX: wtf
ZarthaxX: hi btw
Astrobytes: And team based
ZarthaxX: no troll??
Astrobytes: hi :)
Astrobytes: No troll.
ZarthaxX: tshirts awarded ??
ZarthaxX: this is so weird
Astrobytes: Tibo confirmed in chat the other day
ZarthaxX: no tshirts i guess?
Astrobytes: No idea man
struct: my minimax must be bugged
darkhorse64: struct: connected
struct: on depth 3 it cant find a win for some reason
Astrobytes: Lost interest as soon as it was confirmed as escape
struct: hi darkhorse64
darkhorse64: hi
darkhorse64: hii
Astrobytes: :)
struct: I finally managed to make a working bot
struct: I think increasing time might be a good idea yes
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes sameee
ZarthaxX: i wont be able to participate anyway
ZarthaxX: but f
Astrobytes: At least you know you're not missing anything
struct: also draw at turn 150 should be fine
struct: since most draws happen by move repetition
darkhorse64: great, you did better than me. 150 ms for 150 turns fits with CG constraints
struct: yeah and even then games wont be that long
ZarthaxX: feels nice actually yeah Astrobytes haha
struct: because most of them will be under 30 turns
struct: I saw games lasting 13 turns
struct: ill need to read these 50 pages to understand the game
struct: https://dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/m.winands/documents/Analysis%20and%20Implementation.pdf
darkhorse64: I plan to add pass, maybe change the color scheme and complete the statement. If I can figure out a decent, I may remove the 2nd league. I do not expect the game to be very popular. By the way, I noticed I goofed with Clobber statement. The turn duration is 150 ms not 100 ms
darkhorse64: *decent bot*
struct: oh
Astrobytes: If it gets potw it'll be *more* popular though
struct: game is quite hard tbf
aCat: Ah LOA - i wanted to implement it some day on CG ;p
aCat: Mark's thesis is complicated ;p
darkhorse64: Compared to clobber, it is much harder and clobber is not very popular. I guess it's because there is no obvious playing strategy
Astrobytes: which is what makes it interesting :)
darkhorse64: At least, for LOA, you have "rush the center with your checkers"
Astrobytes: fair
darkhorse64: If you dig the internet, you will find quite a number of tips for LOA, for instance old issues of Abstract Games https://www.abstractgames.org/
Astrobytes: interesting
darkhorse64: ofc, Winands papers are must read
Astrobytes: always
struct: also they say on the paper that 30% of the time is spent on generating moves
darkhorse64: Will 150 ms be enough for MM/MCTS to survive some times against NN ? When I see how NN fare for C4 whose simplicity allows for a tremendous number of rollouts, we may have concerns
struct: NN will dominate here
struct: hand written eval will have no chance sorry
Astrobytes: This goes for a number of games
struct: well the harder is to eval the game the better the NN does
Illedan: How many possible moves do you get each round on avreage?
struct: paper says 30
Illedan: Just add spells and some RNG and NN wont be a problem
struct: and dont forget fog
Illedan: Blind chess maybe?
Astrobytes: lol
struct: maybe ill finish the NN book instead of reading the loa paper
darkhorse64: The good news is that you still need to write a fast bot.
Illedan: What book?
struct: nnfs
struct: neural networks from scratch
Die-Die-Missile-Barrage: Hi
darkhorse64: Neural Network from Scratch (in Python)
struct: Grats eulerscheZahl
demooo: quite intense games
struct: yeah when euler started losing the middle I thought it was lost
Illedan: What rank is now?
struct: he is going to the final now
struct: not today
struct: in 2 days
Astrobytes: well done eulerscheZahl :)
That was ridiculously tense
struct: it also has these videos Illedan
struct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5dMEP_BbI&list=PLQVvvaa0QuDcjD5BAw2DxE6OF2tius3V3
struct: I havent read the book yet so I cant comment on it
65140: yo wassup
eulerscheZahl: oh, so many missed pings
eulerscheZahl: thanks everyone
Astrobytes: some of those games man... whooo
ZarthaxX: gzzz toaaad
ZarthaxX: replay plz?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.twitch.tv/roxkstar74
ZarthaxX: tyy
eulerscheZahl: ends right now but there's a recording of it
Astrobytes: I was literally on the edge of my seat
ZarthaxX: lmao
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: WSP
Astrobytes: You'll understand when you watch those games
ZarthaxX: in this game you could also interact as a human right?
Astrobytes: Yeah, with some effort. The opponent was playing manually in this case, in some little control panel he made
Astrobytes: Clearly a strong RTS player
eulerscheZahl: "I was literally on the edge of my seat"
imagine me :D
ZarthaxX: ahhh
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVKDB2WuPXg
eulerscheZahl: opponent's view
ZarthaxX: wait the guy coded a control panel=?
Astrobytes: Seriously man, I woulda been shaking!
eulerscheZahl: it's my usualy bed time. but i don't feel like i can sleep right now
Astrobytes: I was going back and forth between both streams
eulerscheZahl: and aecert will hate me when i perform poorly in the finals
Astrobytes: It's Friday, live dangerously :)
eulerscheZahl: that circle player is my nemesis
Astrobytes: Yeah I saw the discord messages on his stream
Astrobytes: Well, you've got 2 days
wlesavo: oh nice, grats
Astrobytes: hey wlesavo
wlesavo: hey
wlesavo: got some easy time at work with more researching and reading, so came back for sometime =) i was hoping for a contest but i understand there wont be one
wlesavo: so i try to get CoIF legend with heuristic python bot, expected it to be easier than it is
Astrobytes: Yeah, shame about the contest.
That's a tough but great game, you can definitely get legend with python though iirc
wlesavo: yeah, i still have around 35ms and some ideas how to fill them
eulerscheZahl: CoIF is one of my favorites
JBM: what about the contest?
Astrobytes: It's an Escape Room
JBM: oh
wlesavo: euler i remember you saying so, one of the reasons i picked it :slight_smile:
Astrobytes: couple of hours, no CP
JBM: haven't tried that out yet
Astrobytes: team-based
JBM: yeah must be too atisocial to find one
JBM: when is it btw?
Astrobytes: Not announced os of yet
JBM: fall 2021
JBM: so probably late december
JBM: with the CG hemispheres
Astrobytes: I think Tibo said around halloween, but then he said it should be announced this week (iirc)
JBM: can i try out the escape thingy on my own at a time of my choosing? (those who did)
Astrobytes: Yeah there's an introductory one and maybe another one you can do by yourself
Astrobytes: It's fun in a team, don't get me wrong.
eulerscheZahl: beginning this week
Astrobytes: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: week starts on Friday in France
Astrobytes: :D
JBM: TIL
JBM: oh we eat frogs too
JBM: so i heard
Astrobytes: :P
Astrobytes: Only problem I have is replacing the bot programming contest with Escape Room, I mean they already had an Escape Room contest earlier in the year... still, it is what it is
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: "If a position with the same player to move occurs for the second time, the game is drawn"
Astrobytes: re. LoA
Astrobytes: also, the Abstract Games magazine link is cool
struct: it depends on the tournament rules astro
Astrobytes: Yeah, I'm going with the ones in Winands paper
Astrobytes: These are the official rules. Some situations were not covered by the original rules. For these situations,
the rules of the Mind Sports Olympiad (MSO) are used:
9. If a player cannot move, this player loses.2
10. If a position with the same player to move occurs for the second time, the game is drawn.
Astrobytes: just ideas
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Ugh I'm Bored as fuck
struct: was bored sorry
Illedan: :)
Illedan: My eval in FB is damn hard to balance -.-
Illedan: 0.1 off and it is like it hates the ball
struct: just paste it here ill fix it :)
Astrobytes: :D
BlaiseEbuth: ezpz
Illedan: You need it all?
struct: yes
struct: But just to eval
struct: I dont need the entire code
darkhorse64: I can fix it too
struct: now I need to figure why my minimax cant find a win in depth 3
struct: Also I cant really understand their move generator on the paper
struct: at least for now
BlaiseEbuth: And behold a dark horse: and his name that sat on him was 64, and Thales followed with him... :smiling_imp:
Astrobytes: where's tric trac btw? Expected him to be on LoA already
darkhorse64: should I really implement the drawing rule ?
Astrobytes: Was more just food for thought tbh
darkhorse64: I can zobrist hash the thing
darkhorse64: which paper struct ? The winands one you quote ?
struct: yes
struct: 3.1.1 Move generation
struct: my way is kinda slow
struct: I can call moveGen 500k times in 100ms
struct: still if I fix my eval my bot should be decent
struct: I think my wincheck is fast
struct: but i dont use Quads like the paper says
struct: I use normal floodfill
Illedan: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/48c0bc24-b80b-4188-a2ea-77fe499306d9
struct: do you use ga vs dummy Illedan?
Illedan: SGA
struct: no idea how that works
Illedan: two simulations fighting and growing simultaneously
TheSun00000: hi
struct: seems to work well
TheSun00000: im nood
TheSun00000: noob*
ouxs: I WILL BE UR SINSI
ouxs: SENSI
TheSun00000: and I am a girl very bad in english
ouxs: IN A GOOD A WAY
Illedan: Stop spamming
struct: have you tried this in any other game?
Illedan: Yes
Illedan: But I want to try it more
Illedan: Just want 2nd or 1st in FB first
Astrobytes: quads? Like quadtree kinda thing?
Astrobytes: I didn't read the whole paper as of now
struct: like regions of the board
struct: I didnt read it all just a bit
Astrobytes: yeah, grouping it by 4 squares, quadtree
Astrobytes: Interesting. Will read the rest of the paper later
flipped_a_bit: how come I can't view some people's code after a clash?
Rhitakorrr: I think people need to opt into sharing it
flipped_a_bit: i thought the point of those was to find better ways of writing it...
zaraptwillbebeaten: after each round they can chose to share or not
zaraptwillbebeaten: most people do share
zaraptwillbebeaten: you might've gotten into a lobby with a lot of bots
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: Hi
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Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: If anyone needs it
Kawaii-san_Shadow_Wolf: :disappointed: I just someone to hang out
Shoyo_Hinata158: me too mate
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