Thorcode: could you guy offer me a easy puzzle in practice
Thorcode: thanks
VHessCode: how do i kms
VHessCode: :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
VHessCode: :smile_cat:
VHessCode: :runner_tone5:
Ednik: sucuk hot
DerMert: what
derjack: good morning
gugrbywitkr: good morning
Jackpos: Hi!
Benji-the-scripter: hi!!
Edward.Zhu: hi
TimothyAlexisVass: Anyone here doing the codingame sponsored contest?
BlaiseEbuth: Done long before. Not doing it now, sorry.
TimothyAlexisVass: Did you complete it?
BlaiseEbuth: Yes.
manuthecoder: hi
Enyx: Hello, I'm sorry if it's stupid but I found where I can upvote or downvote a contribution, but I can't find where I can approve or reject a contribution. Could someone help me please?
JBM: do you need to?
BlaiseEbuth: "Verry nice. I love it"
Enyx: It was to complete the quest map. I don't really need to no but I wanted to x)
BlaiseEbuth: You need to have played 50+ public clashs to moderate clash contributions, and to be lvl20+ to moderate other ones.
Enyx: Oh ok so it's because I'm not level 20. Thanks for the answer, I didn't understand how I was supposed to do that
Westicles: Also, it needs to say 50 clashes on the leaderboard. For some reason most people have 1 or 2 less when they get the quest map for 50
ProCoder03: contributions unlock after you played 50 Clashes
Westicles: There have been like a million people complaining they have 50 on the quest map but can't approve. They always show 48 or 49 on the leaderboard. It isn't a public/private thing, something else
Benji-the-scripter: Help im stuck on second AI quest can someone hellp me with my code?
Benji-the-scripter: help*
derjack: hm?
monsterx: :no_mouth:
KasparasVEVO: :family_mmg:
MarTau: children
TimothyAlexisVass: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7361e10138c4a040c6ee05712f9ba5ed2b7e?comment=52226
Is it too hard?
KasparasVEVO: as uz klasikine seima
ProCoder03: English here KasparasVEVO
TimothyAlexisVass: "as to the classic family "
TimothyAlexisVass: KasparasVEVO, parašyk angliškai
ProCoder03: that moment when your bot defeats all other bot and finally decides to sit just below the boss :rage:
ProCoder03: :Sob:
ProCoder03: :sob:
dreadylein: classic
dreadylein: ^^
derjack: aww
Manopphysics: Hello There
ProCoder03: Hello
Manopphysics: General Kenobi!
mrrobot-caretaker: Hello
mrrobot-caretaker: What's up?
mrrobot-caretaker: hey how can i join html clash
MeBen: HTML isn't a programming language, so an HTML clash wouldn't make sense. Maybe you're thinking of JavaScript?
BlaiseEbuth: JavaScript isn't a programming language either...
MeBen: Of course it is
derjack: is mayonaisse a programming language?
MeBen: If you write an interpreter for mayo it well could be
Pantoine: It would be an interpreted language then
MeBen: An interpreted programming language, yes.
derjack: loa sim seems to be finished. but its so slow
magnuww: ie
Benji-the-scripter: help im stuck on second AI quest and need help, someone know what to do?
Uljahn: is it "Your first bot" quest?
derjack: im stuck, help step-mods
Benji-the-scripter: yes "first bot"
Benji-the-scripter: what to do?
Uljahn: it asks you to reach bronze league, click the quest knob to go to bot ai games
Benji-the-scripter: ?
Uljahn: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Benji-the-scripter: thx
Uljahn: choose one and reach bronze league
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Benji-the-scripter: i check now
Benji-the-scripter: how to code is my real question, i dont understand this with angels
Uljahn: it seems you can't do the quest yet
Benji-the-scripter: im new okey
Benji-the-scripter: i started right now
derjack: coders strke back should be easy for bronze
Uljahn: there are other games without angles
Benji-the-scripter: i try but i cant code
Benji-the-scripter: im a fricking noob im trying to say
Uljahn: this site is meant for practice, not for learning from scratch
Benji-the-scripter: this is all i know about coding x, y and nothing more. Thats why im trying =(
Om1234: hello guys
Om1234: noice
Benji-the-scripter: hi
Gamer1603: hi
AmazingPro: hi
derjack: c-c-c-...
AmazingPro: can anybody check out my contribution and vote up?
ImSoNuts: how do you see other ppl codes in clash of code please ?
ImSoNuts: or maybe, nobody shared... it's a first time for me :x
derjack: you can see only the shared ones
HarlRoehm: help
ImSoNuts: ok, so that means nobody shared i guess... nevermind ^^
Rimka_93: hi
Kastanie: :eggplant:
AmazingPro: hi
AmazingPro: please vote up my contribution
AmazingPro: thx much
Uljahn: :thumbsup:
AmazingPro: крутяк
AmazingPro: 42 уровень круто
derjack: :scream:
struct: hi
AmazingPro: hi
AmazingPro: vote up my contribution pls
AmazingPro: thx much
BlaiseEbuth: Downvoted :thumbsup:
AmazingPro: ok
AmazingPro: i dont underdstant how you rich so big level, cause u destroy a newbie contributors, downvote to u
Scarfield: colors are weird in the IDE o0
AmazingPro: ah anyway you just lonely rude person its ok
struct: jacek have you faced any non moving state yet?
BlaiseEbuth: "newbie contributors" that's the problem.
BlaiseEbuth:
Beginner shouldn't create contributions just to validate questmap, or gain xp.
BlaiseEbuth: Furthermore, there's a moderation system with a dedicated page.
BlaiseEbuth: If someone want to moderate contributions, he goes there.
BlaiseEbuth: This way, interested people will see your contrib, other will not...
neo_0: do the tests get hard with levels?
BlaiseEbuth: Excepted if you ask for attention on the chat.
MeBen: One could argue that the quest map probably shouldn't incentivize beginners to make contributions
BlaiseEbuth: I don't go on this page anymore because what I see on it make me sad.
BlaiseEbuth: But you asked, so I went to see. And I given my opinion.
BlaiseEbuth: If someone disliking what you do look like rude for you, well, don't post things publicly?
BlaiseEbuth: Nor moderate them MeBen... We said this since the questmap was released.
MeBen: Seems like they're going for quantity over quality
Astrobytes: Yep.
Scarfield: YepstroBytes
BlaiseEbuth: Astrobyep
Westicles: It works okay if you get intervention for the zimablues
Astrobytes: Positivefield
BlaiseEbuth: Zima, eve and robin are on a boat...
eulerscheZahl: hello
Scarfield: hi :wave:
struct: hi euler
eulerscheZahl: btw smartwatch arrived today. ignore my negative vibes about Huawei, all good
jacek: oO
jacek: now they know everything about you, your bots, your code
eulerscheZahl: only that one code. but i think it's visible to everyone anyways
eulerscheZahl: oh no, it isn't
jacek: hm?
struct: usually cf code is available for everyone jacek
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ico_nz15HAg&t=47s
what is he doing at 47s? coding in windows explorer?
eulerscheZahl: they didn't manually publish the codes for that optim contest. i guess they just forgot
BlaiseEbuth: A hacker! :scream:
struct: writing on a notepad
eulerscheZahl: and at 1:33 he says 5 days marathon. codeforces website clearly says 4 days
struct: jacek I played millions of random games and cant find a state that has no moves for the current player
jacek: a little polished text https://img19.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/1259417543_by_logan_600.jpg
jacek: struct me neither
eulerscheZahl: *Polish text
PatrickMcGinnisII: she rolling a big ass blunt on a waxpapered keyboard?
PatrickMcGinnisII: If there's no :pouting_cat: in the pic it didn't happen
Westicles: kind of interesting... 11 deleted puzzles
Westicles: https://chadok.info/codingame/puzzles_completion.html
jacek: huh
pyprog: wello
pyprog: hello
pyprog: hello
pyprog: hello
pyprog: hello
jacek: bye
eulerscheZahl: 11 puzzles that we know about. Stilgart got them from his XP history
jacek: why would they be removed
jacek: and how
eulerscheZahl: low rating, CG bot
eulerscheZahl: and a few even manually I think, before the bot existed
BlaiseEbuth: Missing a "removed optim" category... I'll tell him.
eulerscheZahl: you can still see them when you tinker with the URL. e.g. https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/bet-payout-calculator
eulerscheZahl: which optim did we lose?
eulerscheZahl: aaah
BlaiseEbuth: TGD :cry:
eulerscheZahl: the great dispatch
eulerscheZahl: that was a good one :(
Westicles: you can still play it though
eulerscheZahl: i know
BlaiseEbuth: 'f course
eulerscheZahl: why TGD? it was nice and all.
can't we just sacrifice Aneo?
eulerscheZahl: i don't know the company, all that comes to my mind is a boring puzzle
BlaiseEbuth: It's planned iirc
eulerscheZahl: i won't miss it
Westicles: wait, you can still play all the deleted ones?
BlaiseEbuth: Of course
eulerscheZahl: and get the XP afaik
Westicles: oh boy
liboy129: wsp
liboy129: :taco:
liboy129: :burger
BlaiseEbuth: "removing" mean removing the link. Any delete in db could erase the entire website... :smirk:
Westicles: cool. anybody have the list?
eulerscheZahl: just use the chadok list and replace /training/easy in the URL with /ide/puzzle
BlaiseEbuth: They made a little script to 'unmod' me after a server reboot. I regularly see the mod icon coming back, and disapear short time after... Simpler than correcting the real problem :p
eulerscheZahl: ./BlaiseEbuth.sh
liboy129: noise
BlaiseEbuth: ./vaderetro.sh
liboy129: https://Discord.com/ForwardAssault
eulerscheZahl: i'm getting more and more annoyed, please stop spamming
struct: euler when is next match of yare?
eulerscheZahl: in 3.5h approx
eulerscheZahl: getting nervous already
struct: so if you make it to the final
struct: you will play vs the same guy :(
eulerscheZahl: yes. but i need 2 wins just to reach the finals
struct: 3rd already has a prize
eulerscheZahl: and my bot vs the finalist had some weaknesses that I can try to clean up before a match
eulerscheZahl: my usual strategy of playing defensive at first doesn't work against him so I had to try a barely tested bot and failed
BlaiseEbuth: Best defense is attack.
eulerscheZahl: yes, i would probably go for a rush in the finals (if i make it there)
BlaiseEbuth: Zergling rush ftw
jacek: rush b
struct: 13 moves game on loa o.o
jacek: share it
jacek: oh you cant :(
eulerscheZahl: you can. give us your password
jacek: dupa.8
struct: I can jacek
jacek: via ludii?
struct: via ascii art
struct: :p
struct: https://pastebin.com/4mVQKRBL
struct: on console looks better because it has colors
jacek: is this from demo or local
struct: local
Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: as I was explaining on #fr, there is also TGD (optim made by CG)
struct: I ran millions of games
struct: to get shortest and longest
struct: longest was 650+ moves
struct: but is just random moves
eulerscheZahl: yes, blaise reminded me about our loss
eulerscheZahl: and there was this official puzzle. finding the central node of a graph
jacek: longest can be forever
Alastor69: whats up ya wankers! whose ready to... ah, what the bloody hell happened!?
eulerscheZahl: the thing that JBM recreated with some tissue story
Stilgart: but I won't add this one, since its removal is special
struct: you are right jacek
Stilgart: CG did stuff to really hide TGD
eulerscheZahl: and when we tell everyone that it's still online, they might completely delete it
jacek: TGD?
Stilgart: as for the other removed puzzles, dwarfie did not found more in his XP history
struct: the great dispatch
Stilgart: The Great Dispatch
struct: was an optimization puzzle
eulerscheZahl: they once deleted a leaderboard of an internal contest after I linked it on the announcement of another contest which turned out to be the same game
Stilgart: anyway, my number of puzzle solved in haskell is still not right, even with TGD
eulerscheZahl: CG is a mystery
Stilgart: maybe I should count Detective Pikapcha (contest) and A*C (contest)
Stilgart: we need a new puzzle/optim contest to check this :D
eulerscheZahl: that would be another lost bot contest :(
eulerscheZahl: we have optim on codeforces
eulerscheZahl: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/94906
Stilgart: not even sure I used Haskell at some point for A*C, though
Stilgart: the only code I still have is in C++
struct: maybe ill join that one euler
Kepe55: Has anyone read the Competitive Programmer's Handbook? Has it helped?
eulerscheZahl: haven't read it. not reading it did not help
jacek: therefore reading it did help?
Kepe55: I think finishing it and only then beginning to practice more is good, I will know most algorithms and stuff like that
Stilgart: Automaton2000: read it for us, please
Automaton2000: then at the end of the game and it was a feature
Criptor: anyone have code on c++
struct: yes
Criptor: can you share?
struct: code for what?
Criptor: coders strike back
struct: My code is unreadable
eulerscheZahl: and what did you learn if we just copy a bot here and you insert it in your IDE?
Criptor: don't worry I try to understand
struct: also my code wont work on lower leagues
eulerscheZahl: i don't have C++ code
struct: I think sim for loa should be done
struct: But sim is so expensive
struct: :(
BlaiseEbuth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/loa
Astrobytes: So expensive that the time needs to be increased/games shortened? Or doable?
struct: Expensive in comparison with c4
struct: The goal to beat ludii number of sims per second was surely beaten
eulerscheZahl: how many do you get?
eulerscheZahl: and what's the ludii number?
struct: ludii was like 100 per second lol
jacek: playouts, as in random games to the end?
eulerscheZahl: i don't know the rules of the game. but sounds like a rookie number
eulerscheZahl: or readability over speed
jacek: ludii is interpreted (?)
struct: im joking yes
struct: I only get 20k :(
struct: per sec
eulerscheZahl: noob
derjack: dunno how much I get, but i get 5 plies negamax with some eval
derjack: in 100ms
struct: let me do ept 5 plys rollout
struct: The move gen is quite expensive here
struct: at least mine is
struct: There are probably better approaches
jacek: yeah
jacek: im thinking of masks and pext
struct: no idea yet how to eval this game
jacek: for now i use popcount of center 6x6 and try to minimize the number of independent chains
struct: I will try mcts since i can copy paste it from the other games
struct: but I dont have high hopes for it
jacek: youd want to have at least some smart rollouts, otherwise most of them would be draw with the turn limit
struct: rollouts wont be a problem if I dont do them
struct: do you currently use Rays to get the legal moves jacek?
struct: I currently have rays[64][4];
eulerscheZahl: you need more rays to solve Space Maze
struct: path games are not my strong
struct: Maybe one day ill manage to learn it
jacek: yeah i have rows, columns and diagonals
jacek: and antidiagonals
struct: thanks
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ab1653b5-da34-4fb1-8b69-b4348d4fc6d6
jacek: rare isnt it
jacek: W to move
struct: nice
struct: was it local?
jacek: yes
struct: I was trying no rollout
struct: but ill run out of nodes
jacek: 1st world problems
struct: solver seems to work I guess
struct: https://i.imgur.com/fOAzePA.png
struct: But game would be an easy loss
struct: 2 pieces vs 9
jacek: loa and mcts solver :thinking:
struct: its just the copy paste from breakthrough bot
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: https://i.imgur.com/7XzS3Qm.gif
struct: ah wait
struct: I had no eval
Wontonimo: eulerscheZahl, for https://yare.io/, how much compute can you do? it says you have 600ms per turn, but do you have effectively 600ms of compute?
Wontonimo: i'm wonder if Simulation+Search or Eval+Search is even reasonable
eulerscheZahl: honestly: I don't know Wontonimo. I managed to get some timeouts (only applies for your current turn) though
struct: Did the round ended euler?
eulerscheZahl: first game in 45min
eulerscheZahl: i feel like before a big exam at school/university
eulerscheZahl: one where i'm not sure if i'm well prepared
eulerscheZahl: i'll try with my standard bot first. and rush if the default fails
eulerscheZahl: semi-rush.
rush and then retreat. hoping that I cause more damage than I took
struct: hope it works
Mindarius: Hello World
CrispyBacon1764: how to go?
Kidd_MikeJunior: im back
zomboi1012: hello
CrispyBacon1764: how to go? fast i need
zomboi1012: ?
NoCap_Junior: gv
zomboi1012: what?
Astrobytes: Stop talking crap. Please.
zomboi1012: ikr
BoudinDjama: Oyy
zomboi1012: ?
BoudinDjama: hello
zomboi1012: hi
eulerscheZahl: https://yare.io/d1/jrzgw16t27w9 hype
zomboi1012: nice quick link
Astrobytes: good luck eulerscheZahl
ZarthaxX: toad is smashing him right? lol
Astrobytes: you held that well!
Wontonimo: game over. yeah toad
eulerscheZahl: :muscle:
ZarthaxX: nice :O
ZarthaxX: he didnt stand a chance
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX! How are ya dude?
ZarthaxX: hey!
PatrickMcGinnisII: who mudrc?
ZarthaxX: im tired
Astrobytes: Working a lot huh?
ZarthaxX: past weeks have been exhausting and i have an exam today
jacek: hello tired
ZarthaxX: starting to code a bit in work yes
ZarthaxX: hello jacek :rofl:
Astrobytes: Ah, you'll manage. SuperZarth
Wontonimo: is there a second round?
ZarthaxX: yes im chilling
eulerscheZahl: best of 3
Astrobytes: Are you 3rd in the standings now euler or 2nd? (before this I mean)
ZarthaxX: how are u astroman
Wontonimo: when does it start ? and what's the link?
eulerscheZahl: if i win, i get into battle for top3
Astrobytes: Same old crap different day ZarthaxX. Though am currently medically signed off from working, which is incredibly boring
eulerscheZahl: or i'm 4th and out
Astrobytes: Ah OK
ZarthaxX: so you wont work until you are back up?
ZarthaxX: :thinking:
Astrobytes: Depends
Astrobytes: Still waiting on that scan btw
ZarthaxX: since when???
ZarthaxX: D:
Astrobytes: That's almost a year and a half now
ZarthaxX: oh god
ZarthaxX: :(
ZarthaxX: health stuff sucks with covid in the middlestill
Astrobytes: Yeah for sure
PatrickMcGinnisII: so $300 $900 or $1800 ... nice eulerscheZahl
ZarthaxX: you know my mom was about tto call a doctor to continue the health analysis for my grandma that were paused since covid started
eulerscheZahl: oh right the link https://yare.io/d1/080gw16z2ia7
ZarthaxX: and at the same time my grandma contracted urinary infection and died a few days later
ZarthaxX: we didnt even notice she had one, she was perfect
ZarthaxX: :(
Astrobytes: Aw goddamnit ZarthaxX, so sorry to hear that brother
ZarthaxX: that was 2 weeks ago
ZarthaxX: week after that had a final exam with my motivation down asf
ZarthaxX: sometimes i wish you could put a pause in life
Astrobytes: Yeah, I feel that man
Astrobytes: That sucks hard.
ZarthaxX: yes :/
eulerscheZahl: oh, sorry to head that ZarthaxX :(
ZarthaxX: are you feeling okey at least astro?
ZarthaxX: a bit okeish
ZarthaxX: thanks toad <3
struct: hi ZarthaxX
Astrobytes: Painful but good otherwise, it's just so damn restrictive in terms of what I can do
ZarthaxX: it's pretty hard to move on as she was living with us for 5 years
struct: grats on the win euler
ZarthaxX: hey structo
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes can you give an example of that?
ZarthaxX: what are not able to do?
ZarthaxX: you*
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX: I feel that dude. Although he wasn't living with me looking after my Grandad for the past 5 years totally changed my life, then when he was gone there's a big hole
Astrobytes: Still not over it. You never get over it. You just learn to live with it.
Astrobytes: Yeah. So, unless I dose up on painkillers I can't remain upright for anything between 10-25 minutes.
Astrobytes: If I take painkillers I get 30-45 minutes (still with pain, but bearable).
TimothyAlexisVass: :D
ZarthaxX: i know i know, but takes time to get over it
Astrobytes: It takes me 2 or 3 days to mow the lawn, 2 or 3 days to cut the hedge, another 2 or 3 days to pull the weeds
ZarthaxX: wat???
ZarthaxX: have you been living like that for the past year?¡
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX: A lot of time.
Astrobytes: Yes.
TimothyAlexisVass: Change your garden
ZarthaxX: oh god wtf
ZarthaxX: are those painkillers like expensive or have bad secondary efffects???
Astrobytes: And it's worsening recently, which is why I'm signed off this month
eulerscheZahl: that doesn't sound too healthy on a long-term scale :(
Astrobytes: Codeine, not something you wanna take all the time
Astrobytes: Thankfully I have a high pain threshold
karter1231211: everything started to go down hill when we said we were going to raid area 51
ZarthaxX: okey that sucks
ZarthaxX: you should pressure people to get that health studies done tbh
ZarthaxX: you cant live like this, it's a really bad life quality you got
Astrobytes: I even had to be excused from jury service, since it was in a town quite far from here (due to Covid)
Astrobytes: Yeah, I call them every week.
Astrobytes: Makes no difference.
Astrobytes: Hey, there are cancer patients not getting treatment here because of the state of the health system, I am (rightly) not highest priority
ZarthaxX: well yeah, cancer patients are in the same situation here, and some even die coz of it :(
Astrobytes: Same here. It's obscene :(
berserk76: Sorry to hear that man, maybe this could help you:
berserk76: https://paleomedicina.com/en/bronchial_tumor_paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_PKD
Astrobytes: Don't think that would help my back lol (I don't have cancer)
struct: finally managed to win 1 game vs derjack
struct: :D
BlaiseEbuth: Garlic cancer
Astrobytes: nice struct!
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: Grancer.
Astrobytes: *Garancer
brule: wow
Veln: Now's your chance to be a BIG SHOT @___@
xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xXx: yo some guy broke the firewall
xXxMaoUwUZedongxXxttvATprimeg: I Sat On It
xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xXx: to the labor camps
xXxMaoUwUZedongxXxttvATprimeg: @xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xX
Uljahn: pls guys, use this place to practice coding, no need to spam
xXx_MaoTsedong_40mph_Sppeed_xXx: yep
GruelingPine185: codingame told me to say "hi", so .... hi
icecream17: ooh, multicolored braces
herreramaxi: hi guys, looks like coding in C# is kind of disadvantage from the quantity of characters point of view. What do you think ?
GruelingPine185: agreed
GruelingPine185: are esoteric languages allowed?
herreramaxi: it is funny cos I added one line of code but I got 404 characters
herreramaxi: hehe
Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1979572dfaa387f00359481f5636aa78038645a
Thorcode: plz join my clash
Thorcode: well the world is quite
Hexagonal: ill join
Hexagonal: send the link?
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19795840481f7b977f1e40e4f6de43d904b3f56
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: I got a little bussy bye
icecream17: wow these wood bot strategies are soooo simple
Wontonimo: which multi icecream17 ?
icecream17: Space Shooter
Wontonimo: it's all wood
Wontonimo: for space shooter
icecream17: I only implemented "shoot bullets at enemy all of the time" which made me beat wood 1, and tie so much in wood 2 (with a few wins) that's i'm #1 (just below the bot)
Wontonimo: shots adjusted for your own movement and enemy movement AND moving out of the way of the enemy shots is enough to destroy wood 2
EMERALDZZZ: baby mama
Wontonimo: hey Thorcode and EMERALDZZZ, join the space battle https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/space-shooter
EMERALDZZZ: nah
struct: hi
EMERALDZZZ: hi. mr.mod
Laysin: im trying to learn to code and this site is not helping at all
struct: its not really for beginners
struct: its more to improve your current skills
Laysin: ok what do you recomend
Laysin: ?
struct: not sure, i havent used learning sites in a while
Laysin: ok
Hosein1864: hey!
struct: hi
Hosein1864: I am a beginner
struct: same
PatrickMcGinnisII: :laughing:
struct: my ai cant beat ludii :(
struct: at least for now
Hosein1864: where are you guys from?
struct: portugal
Wontonimo: Hosein1864 سلام [hello]
struct: What language do they speak in Iran?
Wontonimo: Persian
struct: Did you made any improvements on tron Wontonimo?
Wontonimo: i got to legend
struct: I saw
Wontonimo: then i stopped
struct: I was here
struct: Yeah
struct: im still trying lines of action
struct: very hard game
Wontonimo: that's great that you are helping with the game in the early days
struct: I enjoy board games for some strange reason
struct: maybe im getting old
Wontonimo: i've got another game i'm thinking of, either opti or multi.
struct: what kind of game?
Wontonimo: Each round you are given 100 quotes from a book, and you have to classify them as real or fake. You are also given the answers to the round before. It's a NLP task. For multi, it is up to the players to make fake sentences to fool the opponent
ZarthaxX: hello
struct: Could be interesting
struct: hi again ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: waddup
struct: not much, just trying to make a working bot on lines of action
dkslslep: 코딩 어렵다.
ZarthaxX: i read yesterday about that
ZarthaxX: is it interesting?
struct: about the game or about what I said?
ZarthaxX: everything :P
struct: well only if you enjoy board games I guess
ZarthaxX: i do..
ZarthaxX: doesnt it have a big branching factor tho?
struct: yes
struct: 30+moves per turn
struct: and moves are not trivial to compute
ZarthaxX: you mean bitboard
struct: yes
struct: they are easy
struct: to do
struct: but expensive
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struct: Nobody here is being racist
StopDiscriminatingAsian: Thank you for understanding
ZarthaxX: wdym by expensive?
ZarthaxX: i saved the magic bitboard thing that was shared here the other day
struct: which magic o.o
ZarthaxX: i want to take a look at that
struct: ah the one I shared
ZarthaxX: https://www.rhysre.net/fast-chess-move-generation-with-magic-bitboards.html
ZarthaxX: right
struct: i dont use it yet
ZarthaxX: is it interesting mindblowing?
struct: havent read it all yet
ZarthaxX: thought there was no more bitboard magic to know
struct: I just wanted to get something working first
ZarthaxX: more than the one we already know
ZarthaxX: oh ok..
ZarthaxX: i have been trying to find a board game that is "educational"
struct: currently i have an array with rays for each bit index
ZarthaxX: like for people learning about graph theory to code
struct: so RAYS[64][4]
struct: 4 directions
ZarthaxX: okey
struct: ZarthaxX c4 might be good
ZarthaxX: ah that one was already used
ZarthaxX: cn even
ZarthaxX: n from 3 to 8 i think
struct: breakthrough is nice but hard to eval
ZarthaxX: butt i wanted another option
ZarthaxX: right...
struct: but very easy to sim
ZarthaxX: loa? :P
ZarthaxX: right, i wanted a super easy sim
struct: if breakthrough is hard to eval
struct: I dont know what loa is
ZarthaxX: what's your opinion on isolation
ZarthaxX: if you know the game
ZarthaxX: kind of wondev woman
ZarthaxX: haha
ZarthaxX: well if its hard its interesting as you can apply many heuristics
struct: you told me about it before I think
ZarthaxX: just a game where you have a board, you move to adyacent and remove a cell
ZarthaxX: the player tha t cannot move loses
ZarthaxX: classic
struct: What about amazons?
struct: very small branching factor
struct: only 1k moves first turn
struct: :D
struct: damn my minimax times out depth 5 :(
ZarthaxX: 1K???????????????
ZarthaxX: WAT
ZarthaxX: 5 isnt that bad right?
ZarthaxX: D:
struct: well
struct: 30^5
struct: it can be even higher than 30 so
ZarthaxX: 24m..
ZarthaxX: it's dope
struct: 1k on the 8x8 version
ZarthaxX: did toad play another yare game btw?
struct: on 10x10 is 2k+
ZarthaxX: wat.
struct: on 2nd turn can be 4k+
ZarthaxX: fuck amazons
ZarthaxX: :D
struct: yes
struct: he won
ZarthaxX: twice'?'
ZarthaxX: he got to top 3?
ZarthaxX: :O
struct: he is now playing to go to the final
ZarthaxX: right now?
struct: yes 3rd is garanted
struct: no
struct: should be today 24-09
ZarthaxX: ah ok
ZarthaxX: he will win pro
ZarthaxX: b
ZarthaxX: well then so amazons is a no
ZarthaxX: i liked the infexction game that darkhorse shared
struct: Will you use it to teach?
ZarthaxX: i have a plan
ZarthaxX: but is 1 year from now
ZarthaxX: just curious
ZarthaxX: i need to do smth before :P
ZarthaxX: anyway was just interested in gathering options
ZarthaxX: i have to try them myself obv
ZarthaxX: but as you are the master of board games :)
ZarthaxX: i thought it was a good idea to ask
struct: I think c4 has some pluses
struct: easy to sim but you need to do some stuff to have a good bot
struct: but is a little bit bland
struct: after a certain point is very hard to improve
struct: if you want you can look at my bot
ZarthaxX: ah..
struct: I can even share my bot if you want, i have shared it before
ZarthaxX: well wait, i didnt say the important part of using this for teaching
struct: ok
ZarthaxX: ppl would have to make an heuristics bot
ZarthaxX: depth 1
ZarthaxX: fitted with a GA
ZarthaxX: that's all
ZarthaxX: the idea wasnt to smash their brains
ZarthaxX: THO i could teach minmax if they allow me to lol
struct: ah
struct: I thought it was mcts or something
ZarthaxX: you mean share your code?
ZarthaxX: nah..
struct: yes
ZarthaxX: i would like to teach mcts tho..
ZarthaxX: it's nice graph theory
ZarthaxX: but might be hard
struct: clobber is easy to sim but hard to eval imo
struct: a lot of moves
struct: like 128 on first turn
ZarthaxX: i see
ZarthaxX: i need to go into all these games on summer
ZarthaxX: prob i wont anyway
ZarthaxX: i need to finish uni to have life again
ZarthaxX: :D
struct: :D
ZarthaxX: clobber also looks interesting
ZarthaxX: will try
ZarthaxX: anyway, post exam headache killimg me
ZarthaxX: gotta go D:
struct: gn
ZarthaxX: good luck with your loa thingy
struct: thanks
ZarthaxX: gn :*
Hosein1864: where are you guys from?
Hosein1864: im from iran
Hosein1864: heeey?
Emyx: :nerd:
VHessCode: how do i kms
