DominikR: Im coding with R basically, which of the available languages is the most similiar to that?
MeBen: I don't know much about R but I would guess Python
MeBen: Especially with numpy, which is included
gigabuffoon: wait
gigabuffoon: we have numpy??
gigabuffoon: sick
BlaiseEbuth: People that read the faq...
BobTheBuilder888: me being confused
Westicles: Reading #fr has me anxious. They said my definition of group is wrong but not how
BlaiseEbuth: Hm?
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/73446301197a3a2fe2e72df93b4b483ad8de
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. And that's false?
Westicles: Not sure. Just something about west of the testicles defined group wrong
BlaiseEbuth: When? Hadn't seen that.. :thinking:
Westicles: Couple days ago. Maybe he meant the fix Benoi helped me with
Westicles: I think abstract algebra must be taught more in france than the US
littlebear: In codingame login page why animation in background is not working
BlaiseEbuth: There's a couple of professors and math phd among the #fr regulars... Not being one, I don't see anything chocking in your statement ^^'
Westicles: Hopefully it is just incomplete. I mean, you would have to write a book to capture everything
[CG]Thibaud: nice catch littlebear, thanks
littlebear: :)
MeBen: Any way to find clash problems in the contributions so I can access test cases afterwards?
Uljahn: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
Uljahn: try this
Uljahn: MeBen
MeBen: littlebear sent me a MSG with that already, but thanks to you too! :)
TimothyAlexisVass: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7308d63b764bf1979ade0e862fcb636fa0f4
ProCoder03: Does any one know a nice tutorial for verlet physics in C++...
smallPPperson: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1967108094f9adb37ea3bdd4e8bffecef914d5a
littlebear: -> #clash
TimothyAlexisVass: What does this do in Python?
rak1507: 0 is stdout, open(0) opens stdout, *L=open(0) unpacks
rak1507: so L is a list of all the lines of stdin* not stdout
TimothyAlexisVass: oh
TimothyAlexisVass: Thank you
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: These damn NNs
TimothyAlexisVass: ..\_o_/..
Krenar: Is the coding society welcoming to beginners?
Krenar: Fuck off noob
TimothyAlexisVass: ...
struct: he has been dealt with
Maxim251: I have problem with priority_queue in C++.
Maxim251: https://tech.io/snippet/f9Q3RPJ
Maxim251: Why operator dont want to work?
Maxim251: Its because of inheritance?
Maxim251: Or maybe I should put operator also in child classes and in base class use virtual operator?
struct: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/986021/how-to-implement-sorting-method-for-a-c-priority-queue-with-pointers
Wontonimo: :thumbsup: Thanks!
ghassanmas: hi
MSmits: mmh I discovered something weird with windows forms / C#
MSmits: I used a text box and then double.parse, but it wanted me to use a comma instead of a dot for decimal separator
Maxim251: Shock... Sorted by pointer value
MSmits: did not know it would be sensitive to the settings on your operating system
Astrobytes: that's a feature
MSmits: it's a bug to me :P
Astrobytes: I thiiiink you can mess with locale settings and have it how you want
MSmits: i ran my meta mcts for a day with an exp par of 25 instead of 2.5 because of this. Well got some good exploration in i guess :)
Astrobytes: but I'm no C# wiz
Astrobytes: lol
ProCoder03: windows API's use your current windows settings..
MSmits: apparently so :)
Astrobytes: I think we established that
MSmits: yes but he used the correct language
MSmits: like a pro
Astrobytes: :P
ProCoder03: change your language to English(US) to make dot as decimal seprator..
MSmits: yeah, but this would have tons of side effects I would not be happy with
Astrobytes: System.Globalization -> CultureInfo ... could be tweakable in there
MSmits: I'll leave it as is. Just have to remember to use comma's in windows forms is all
Astrobytes: actually, just in System.Globalization
MiyamuraIzumi: What is meta mcts then?
MSmits: a mcts program that runs bots instead of a normal simulation phase
MiyamuraIzumi: is this an existing concept ?
Astrobytes: That's when you think about doing MCTS really hard without doing it.
MSmits: that too :P
MSmits: MiyamuraIzumi yeah it is
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: basically i start a game, like one on CG to replace simulation with
MSmits: a game with 50 ms turns and all that
MSmits: which makes the search much stronger
MSmits: it runs for days, weeks or months, whatever you want
MSmits: you gather information about the best opening moves and you can often solve parts of games
MiyamuraIzumi: oh, I see
MiyamuraIzumi: I found this
MiyamuraIzumi: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/46262/on-generating-opening-book-for-yavalath-mcts-bot
MSmits: yeah that's similar to what i do, but somewhat different. I also took it to another level. But that's good reading
MiyamuraIzumi: this should be one of it use
MiyamuraIzumi: thanks
MSmits: thank jace k , he wrote it. We started using meta mcts at about the same time
MSmits: he mostly does NN's now
MSmits: I still like running them
MiyamuraIzumi: for NN's
MSmits: i plan on using meta mcts info for NN's as well yes, but I am not sure how effective it will be
MSmits: but before this i was just using it to generate hardcoded opening moves
MiyamuraIzumi: oh, I see
MiyamuraIzumi: can I use this for hard code end-game?
darkhorse64: You need a solver for endgames
MSmits: depending on the game you can use an endgame book generator instead. You would not use mcts for that, but more a minimax style solver
darkhorse64: first
darkhorse64: :stuck_out_tongue:
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
MSmits: indeed :)
MSmits: MiyamuraIzumi i have written something about generating endgame books for oware
MSmits: it's a playground, should be on my profile
MiyamuraIzumi: thanks
MiyamuraIzumi: I will check that
MSmits: but it requires that you're pretty familiar with oware
MiyamuraIzumi: I don't know oware actually
saad_here: anyone up for coc?
MSmits: for which game would you like an endgame book?
ProCoder03: UTTT ig..
MiyamuraIzumi: UTTT
MSmits: would not really work for uttt
MiyamuraIzumi: oh
MSmits: you can look up the last miniboard result
struct: game is decided early
C26_1: Oh hello stuct
C26_1: struct
MSmits: or you can *maybe* lookup the last 2 boards
struct: wont work for games like c4 and uttt
MSmits: but you'd use a huge amount of space to do this
struct: it can be good for breakthrough but its not massive because early game is also important
struct: hi
MSmits: games need to be convergent for it
C26_1: I've made my demo of theory about base analysis
MSmits: checkers and chess converge
C26_1: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fec9bafb-1dfc-4007-b103-631d01e3e77c
MSmits: bandas and oware do too
C26_1: It's pretty hard to see as pastebin
MiyamuraIzumi: is this the oware:
MiyamuraIzumi: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/oware-abapa
MSmits: yes
MiyamuraIzumi: thanks
struct: I cant play that game
MiyamuraIzumi: why?
struct: sim seems a mess
struct: same for yavalath
MSmits: yavalath sim is easy
C26_1: simulator needs a lot of "random" variable
MSmits: coding heavy rollout is hard
C26_1: so yea that's why sim is a mess
MSmits: oware sim is messy yes, because of the exceptions
MSmits: C26_1 what do you mean a lot of random?
C26_1: I mean sim means simulation of something right
MSmits: yes
Astrobytes: oware sim is just a bit fiddly, not straight up difficult
C26_1: For example, you need to simulate the life of a human
MSmits: yeah the exceptions are just annoying to code and when you've done that you're left with a feeling that maybe there's still a bug you're never going to find
struct: now that i print my rollouts on c4
struct: I think I have a bug
Astrobytes: this is why we test our sims thoroughly
C26_1: then you have random variables like stock market variables, shop price, the odds of being born at somewhere, etc...
ProCoder03: That's what I am exactly facing with UTTT..
MSmits: C26_1 we're talking about simple board games here :P
C26_1: oh
C26_1: ok
C26_1: sorry if misconception
MSmits: np
MiyamuraIzumi: just a bit: do we have any new info on FC2021 ?
Astrobytes: It will probably be around Halloween
MiyamuraIzumi: is it still a multi?
Astrobytes: That's all
MSmits: ProCoder03 yeah uttt sims can have bugs and sometimes it's annoying to find, but it's not as complicated as oware.
MiyamuraIzumi: ummm
struct: yes
struct: practice beam search
MiyamuraIzumi: do you mean we should practise beam search for FC2021?
MiyamuraIzumi: struct?
struct: maybe
MiyamuraIzumi: FC2020 and Spring 2021 is beam search
ProCoder03: Well it turns out.. My sim is correct, My Ultimateboard is messing up something
Astrobytes: The point is we don't even know if it will be multiplayer bot programming
ProCoder03: bcoz of that I get invalid output :angry:
MiyamuraIzumi: maybe FC2021 is an codingEscape game haha
ProCoder03: For heaven's sake, Nooo......
Astrobytes: I really hope not.
Astrobytes: But we will wait and see.
ProCoder03: where can I learn Beam Search. ??
MSmits: beamsearch is super intuitive if you've done other searches
MSmits: make a list of moves
MSmits: generate new states
MSmits: score each state
ProCoder03: Ohh... I have not done any...
MSmits: keep the best X
MSmits: if X is smaller than the beam width, keep all
struct: I dont think it can even be a escape
MSmits: i mean if the number of states is smaller than X
struct: It doesnt make sense
ProCoder03: like FlatMC execpt for the last one ....
Astrobytes: unless it's single player escape
struct: that goes against escape
ProCoder03: I would need 2 hrs to find it :rofl:
Astrobytes: ProCoder03: it's more like a BFS
ProCoder03: I have never done any search in my life....
struct: Its BFS with pruning
ProCoder03: execpt for MCTS...
struct: if you can do mcts you can do beam
MSmits: ProCoder03 mcts is a much more complicated search
MiyamuraIzumi: MCTS is still a search
MSmits: BFS, DFS, beam are all a lot easier to do
MSmits: you can do a BFS in 10 lines of code or something
**ProCoder03 notes down the list to learn before FC2021
MiyamuraIzumi: then FC2021 is a CodingEscape
ProCoder03: commit suicide..
ProCoder03: just kidding..
MiyamuraIzumi: haha
struct: I dont think I know DFS/BFS
MSmits: this has BFS and I think other algos
MSmits: https://trinket.io/library/trinkets/2f3651108d
ProCoder03: Thank you so much struct
MiyamuraIzumi: actually Spring2021 is quite interest in that pure Heuristic can go very high rank
struct: ah I know bfs
struct: because I did it for stc to calculate all possible game states depth 4
eulerscheZahl: you did it to find regions of the same color
MSmits: even if you didn't know bfs, you would have invented it alreadty
struct: depth N*
eulerscheZahl: or the distance between 2 cells on tron
struct: I never calculated distance on tron :(
struct: but you are right
struct: floodfill is bfs
MSmits: I invented binary search for batman without ever knowing the algorithm. Some stuff is so simple you can think of it yourself
Astrobytes: *can be BFS
eulerscheZahl: in discovered dijkstra myself on project euler problem 80-ish
MSmits: that's cool
struct: hmm graphs
eulerscheZahl: https://projecteuler.net/problem=83
struct: my kryptonite
struct: Maybe I should learn graphs for next contest
MSmits: I am half-proficient with graphs
Astrobytes: a grid is a graph
MSmits: yeah, i mean I know how to find an algorithm to do a specific thing in a graph, more or less, but i dont know many of the names of these
struct: hmm, cant imagine connect 4 as a graph
Astrobytes: Plenty places to practice. I found using some kind of visualiser helps get the ideas down
MSmits: the gametree is a graph
struct: But im also bad in grid games
struct: grid and graphs
MSmits: for graphs, try eulerscheZahl's tryAngle game
struct: maybe im bad in all the games
sprkrd: hello all
struct: :p
ProCoder03: okay guys can someone tell me what I *must* learn before FC2021 :pleading:
MSmits: you're good at boardgames now struct
sprkrd: what do you need to know about graphs. I know EVERYTHING about graphs :)
Astrobytes: hello sprkrd
struct: yeap ive become good but now its too late
MSmits: if you had played them 2 yrs ago when nn's weren't here, you'd be top 3 in every one of them
struct: NNs have appeared
struct: also I would not say im good, I mostly reuse the mcts and just make a fast sim
sprkrd: (in case it wasn't obvious, my display of arrogance was a joke)
Astrobytes: I thought it was obvious ;)
struct: where to start sprkrd?
MSmits: fast sim usually means having some insight into the game
MSmits: not just avx-ing stuff
Astrobytes: unless you are struct, in which case start by avx-ing everything
MiyamuraIzumi: @ProCoder03, playing escape more
struct: i always wanted to write an AI for gitc
struct: but dont know how to start
ProCoder03: Urghhh.... why are you so stubborn on it MiyamuraIzumi
MSmits: struct can't help you there. It's hard
ProCoder03: I also completed all the freely available ones...
MSmits: i think what people do is use a lot of heuristics to generate strategic plans
MiyamuraIzumi: haha
MSmits: then run them for X turns against an assumed opponent
MSmits: and keep the best version
struct: ah
ProCoder03: what's gitc ??
MSmits: ghost in the cell
struct: I always struggle in multiple units games
eulerscheZahl: ghost in the cell
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
MSmits: you lost to a 40+ yr old man euler
Astrobytes: :older_man:
MSmits: just rubbing it in
eulerscheZahl: i've reached the 30+ myself :(
MSmits: ah yes you did
MiyamuraIzumi: I watched the vids about xor NNs, but don't really know how can I apply it for a multi, could any one give me an advice?
MSmits: start practicing with small projects before a multi
Astrobytes: first half of your 30s is great, it's the second half that sucks
MSmits: what i did (and which is not necessarily best) is adapt the xor example to learn gamestates for normal TTT
struct: 30s? whats that
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game
Astrobytes: You young ones these days
MSmits: so i generated all gamestates for TTT, calculate their endgame result with minimax and taught a NN to output these results
**Astrobytes shakes fist at clouds
MiyamuraIzumi: oh, thank you all
MSmits: this oware azero implementation is *not* a good place to start with NN's
MSmits: but it is very good nonetheless
MSmits: start simpler though
MiyamuraIzumi: well the point is I only know some basic syntax of Python
MSmits: i learned python by practicing puzzles here
MiyamuraIzumi: does this mean I should learn Python first before learning NNs
MSmits: i solved around 30 and then i moved on
struct: I would focus in other skills before attempting NNs
struct: specially for cg
ProCoder03: if u know C++, then python is a breeze MiyamuraIzumi
MSmits: yeah nn is a high end skill i think
MSmits: I would say learn all the basic search algorithms, make some bots for all sorts of games first. Broaden knowledge before deepening it in some area you might not even like
MiyamuraIzumi: well then NNs later :D
MSmits: learning NN just because it seems the new hot thing that beats other types of bots, is a bad motivator. You'll quickly get discouraged
MSmits: yeah, we'll still be talking about it a year from now, so no hurry :)
MiyamuraIzumi: why a year from now on?
MiyamuraIzumi: what can we say or do in a year?
MSmits: i just mentioned a random long seeming amount of time
MSmits: if I were euler's age, I might have said month. To those youngsters it seems like a much longer time
MiyamuraIzumi: well, but do I need python to learn NNs
Uljahn: no
MSmits: mmh it's not 100% necessary, but pretty convenient
Astrobytes: When you get to that point I think you can pick up what you need along the way
ProCoder03: it just easier in python
MSmits: python is like reading English anyways
MSmits: if you know a different language, using python is not so much learning as it is getting used to
MiyamuraIzumi: then I will try on with some more multi then
**eulerscheZahl is playing a contest in JS right now, despite not really knowing the language
eulerscheZahl: and it's not even a big deal
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
MSmits: he plays kotlin heroes too, without even really being a hero
eulerscheZahl: i am
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: story time :D
eulerscheZahl: so, last sunday. I had a flat tire again (the 4th this year)
eulerscheZahl: was pushing my bicycle to my brotzer in-law to fix it
Astrobytes: the pizza day right
eulerscheZahl: then 2 teenagers behind me screaming "what do you want from us! heelp!"
and the guy "stop running away"
eulerscheZahl: and all of the sudden, those 2 teens were hiding behind me
eulerscheZahl: i tried to deescalate and calmly asked what's the matter, what they have done
eulerscheZahl: "the problem is what they have not done! they shall go back to Afghanistan"
Astrobytes: Ugh, seriously
eulerscheZahl: so i was facing this violent and angry man
MSmits: ohh, they were refugees?
eulerscheZahl: they looked and sounded really German to me
Astrobytes: Grown men picking on teenagers is never a good thing
eulerscheZahl: said they didn't even know him, were just passing by and then he chased them
MSmits: maybe he had mental issues
eulerscheZahl: so we were facing each other, only my immobilized bicycle between us
eulerscheZahl: glad he left after maybe a minute or so and it didn't get to a fight
eulerscheZahl: serious WTF moment
Astrobytes: Heeeere he comes to save the dayyyyy
Miiiiiighty Toad is on his wayyyyy
eulerscheZahl: :cape:
eulerscheZahl: oh :(
struct: 4th tire o.o
ProCoder03: is pathfinding algorithm same as BFS ??
eulerscheZahl: yeah, that sucks. got a new tire now
Astrobytes: Ribbit-ribbit-ribbit-ribbit TOADMAAAN
struct: but do they always replace the tier?
struct: or jsut the inner tube?
eulerscheZahl: just the inner (first 2 times at a bike shop)
eulerscheZahl: 3rd time: the brother in-law who found some glass
Maxim251: OMY God, it works :D
eulerscheZahl: 4th time: well, there was some damage done to the tire (because of the pushing?)
struct: I would ask them to put a solid inner tube next time
Astrobytes: Brother-in-law fixed it 4th time too?
eulerscheZahl: i hope it's not the metal part of my tire. i'll see in a few weeks i guess
MSmits: well gj on the hero thing eulerscheZahl
[CG]Thibaud: huh feels bad, for both the tire and the people chasing the refugees
eulerscheZahl: yes. i owe him another puzza now
Astrobytes: Was gonna say, double pizza debt
eulerscheZahl: there weren't even refugees (which wouldn't make it better)
MSmits: i feel bad for the refugees tbh, not the people chasing them :P
Astrobytes: lol
[CG]Thibaud: yeah that's what I meant :D
[CG]Thibaud: had a flat tire too 2 days ago
MSmits: I know :)
Astrobytes: (we thought so :D )
Maxim251: https://tech.io/snippet/8xnHqmC
eulerscheZahl: at least I don't go to work these days, so I can survive a few days without bicycle
eulerscheZahl: tomorrow i'll show up in office again. seeing my boss for the first time in almost a year
eulerscheZahl: i see some code. with just 2 spaces for indents. what's your message?
eulerscheZahl: fix the compiler errors?
Astrobytes: I think he's showing how he got the priority_queue sort to work
Astrobytes: from earlier in chat
eulerscheZahl: ah, i lacked that context
eulerscheZahl: too busy with yare
Astrobytes: It took me a few minutes
Astrobytes: How is it going?
eulerscheZahl: https://challonge.com/yare
still in group stage
Astrobytes: nice
Astrobytes: enjoying it?
eulerscheZahl: kind of. a bit much trying to counter specific strategies i think
eulerscheZahl: i don't see how to write a proper search on this thing. and heuristics always turn into a mess for me
eulerscheZahl: improving one thing makes it fail somewhere else
Astrobytes: Aye, that's never much fun
eulerscheZahl: when you switch from "standings" to "matches" above the groups, you can see a replay link in the game details
eulerscheZahl: there's just a variety of highly different bots
eulerscheZahl: and as you can only test vs online players, it's hard to get feedback
Astrobytes: wow, you got rekt in the game I just watched
eulerscheZahl: i changed a line of code and didn't test it :(
Astrobytes: That round thing came along and zapped all your triangles
eulerscheZahl: then my units always thought they were in imminent danger
Astrobytes: Yeah they looked a little indecisive
ProCoder03: At least you are in the tournament, I am still trying to find my algo work haha..
eulerscheZahl: i think i could have just rushed that opponent. but didn't want to show him his weaknesses that early in the contest
Astrobytes: fine line between progressing and managing to keep a secret strategy for later
eulerscheZahl: yes. now it's just the group stage. elimination round comes after
eulerscheZahl: and the best 4 out of each group proceed
Astrobytes: The game itself seems pretty cool, just find the platform mechanics a bit odd
eulerscheZahl: and I have a bit of simulation for the fighting at least. I know when I should attack
https://yare.io/replay/isygv1s24w1l3
eulerscheZahl: i would really like the possibility to submit a bot so you don't have to stay online
eulerscheZahl: and you can buy extra colors for you bot :D
Astrobytes: Yeah, that part pretty much ruins it for me
struct: p2w
Astrobytes: BUY as in real money??
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1sfrwa1
Astrobytes: lol wtf
struct: Good idea for cg to do next contest
struct: :p
eulerscheZahl: i've seen 1 green player so far, rest uses the standard colors
eulerscheZahl: so they got 2 euros for implementing that feature at least
dreadylein: solid ^^
eulerscheZahl: sold*
dreadylein: :P
Astrobytes: lol
BlaiseEbuth: ngl
struct: its a way to show support I guess
Astrobytes: I think putting up with playing it is all the support required :P
biaf: here comes to rain agaiiin
littlebear: in chat help "Commands" section there is a typo : "optionnal"
[CG]Thibaud: :eyes:
struct: Thibaud was the type of game decided for the contest?
struct: or will it only be announced when the official date is
eulerscheZahl: i still have a lot of holidays to take. please give me a reason
ProCoder03: competing in yare
eulerscheZahl: took a week off before the contest so i don't start with a completely broken bot
MiyamuraIzumi: Escape
ProCoder03: Urghhh,,,, WTF are you so interested in it MiyamuraIzumi
eulerscheZahl: that's the elephant in the room, that we fear
struct: also thanks for giving me yavalath back :p
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
Astrobytes: I wouldn't be happy with a puzzle contest either. Opinions vary on that though.
MiyamuraIzumi: puzzle contest?
MiyamuraIzumi: is multi consider a puzzle?
BlaiseEbuth: 5% weirdo
Astrobytes: No. It's like how CG did contests back in the day. A lot of the official puzzles were contests at some point.
eulerscheZahl: except for the last crusade, which was considered too hard
[CG]Thibaud: yes game format is decided and some of you probably won't like it :worried:
MiyamuraIzumi: they are old, I don't think CG will do like it
Astrobytes: Oh dear.
MiyamuraIzumi: ohhhh
BlaiseEbuth: 5% of you
Astrobytes: Can I read that as 'not a multi'
eulerscheZahl: i read it as "raising popularity for a new format"
ProCoder03: yes ig...
MiyamuraIzumi: can I read that as "Coding Escape"
[CG]Thibaud: will be a Coding Escape. Should be announced beginning of next week
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
ProCoder03: No....
**ProCoder03 + gonna commit suicide
struct: I believe he is trolling
eulerscheZahl: i saw it coming, so the disappointment isn't even that big at this very moment
MiyamuraIzumi: learning beam search for Escape ProCoder03
MiyamuraIzumi: you'll need it
eulerscheZahl: still sad
ProCoder03: Bruhh... sometimes I prefer doing it by hand compared to writing code..
[CG]Thibaud: I'd have preferred a bot programming game too
Astrobytes: Gonna be a bunch of very p***ed off people who only come around for contests...
[CG]Thibaud: still I'm curious if this can bring unregular players
Wontonimo: I just stopped in and saw the announcement about the format. Thanks for sharing Thibaud
Astrobytes: Personally I think replacing multi bot contests with escape is silly, separately it would seem to make more sense
Astrobytes: But I get that CG is pushing that format
eulerscheZahl: it's just completely different user bases
struct: constests /= 2; :(
[CG]Thibaud: I don't know. Let's see how it goes
Astrobytes: Yes euler
eulerscheZahl: i think that escape contests can work. like tech.io can too
but you'll have a hard time promoting it to the right people
[CG]Thibaud: haven't you all played a few coding escapes on your own?
ProCoder03: Atleast, is it solo or team [CG]Thibaud
[CG]Thibaud: team
Astrobytes: I think the escape thing for companies as teambuilding is a great idea
littlebear: wow
struct: I played as a team yes
eulerscheZahl: i played 0.5 escapes
then I got sleepy and ditched the team
MiyamuraIzumi: Escape for 11 days
Astrobytes: I played a few with struct, Scarfield and TBali
struct: But I cant really compare a cg contest to a escape puzzle
[CG]Thibaud: for sure
struct: its not even remotely close
Astrobytes: indeed
ProCoder03: Done for !!, Where is the heck can I find teammates :confused:??
[CG]Thibaud: in this chat?
eulerscheZahl: the contest is an ongoing thing where you reserve a full week and get as much spare time as you can to invest into this huge event. go to bed and see how much you dropped the next day
eulerscheZahl: you are happy when it starts. then you are again when it's finally over
darkhorse64: ^
MiyamuraIzumi: ~
eulerscheZahl: that escape contest will be done after a few hours. then the activity will quickly be back to normal
Astrobytes: Yes. Our yearly doses of pain and misery.
ProCoder03: But I suppose everyone will have a pair or grp of friends
[CG]Thibaud: yes, the peak of activity will be really short
Astrobytes: But you're looking to retain those new users
ProCoder03: Ig got to search from now on !!
[CG]Thibaud: those who can't invest the needed hours for AI contest could participate
[CG]Thibaud: probably not new users Astro
Astrobytes: gotcha
[CG]Thibaud: just users we've been excluding for years with AI ^^
eulerscheZahl: decision is made, so let's see how it will work out. despite being disappointed personally, I still hope that you succeed with your contest
[CG]Thibaud: thanks
Astrobytes: Yes, I wont lie and say I'm not disappointed but I hope it works out.
BlaiseEbuth: The advantage is that CG will get a lot of new accounts! Most of them will be dropped after a few hours, but statistics gonna inflate! :tada:
[CG]Thibaud: obviously not the goal Blaise
Astrobytes: Can't even console ourselves with RAIC this year either :(
eulerscheZahl: RAIC is just postponed, not cancelled
eulerscheZahl: but i haven't heard anything about mini RAIC recently
Astrobytes: Yeah but postponed til next year though
[CG]Thibaud: why was it postponed?
Astrobytes: And they said mini RAIC would happen this year too, which it hasn't
eulerscheZahl: i have to take my days off before april, so i'm fine
eulerscheZahl: RAIC in February
eulerscheZahl: not sure why
Astrobytes: might have to start doing the load contests
eulerscheZahl: highloadcup?
Astrobytes: yeah lol
eulerscheZahl: they are much more work to set up and get started
Astrobytes: Yeah I've checked it out
eulerscheZahl: there are these occasional surprise contests on codeforces
eulerscheZahl: optim
Astrobytes: true
Astrobytes: and atcoder sometimes
struct: time to delete :(
Astrobytes: Oh no you don't :P
darkhorse64: time to write a new multi
struct: no ideas for multi
eulerscheZahl: so much effort for just a few players
darkhorse64: pick your favorite board game of the moment, clone
struct: i dont play board games
MiyamuraIzumi: haha
darkhorse64: I don't too except here
struct: I never played any of the games I ported
ProCoder03: Wontonimo had some ideas about some doll boxing using verlet physics..
eulerscheZahl: port "Mensch ärger dich nicht"
eulerscheZahl: or Memory
ProCoder03: is it Ludo ??
struct: seems like it
struct: isnt it just rolling a dice?
eulerscheZahl: a die
struct: ah but you have multiple pieces
eulerscheZahl: 1 die
2 dice
eulerscheZahl: and yes, multiple move options
Astrobytes: You play chess darkhorse64 no?
ProCoder03: we have chess already right :thinkingL
darkhorse64: I used to
Astrobytes: Before CG
darkhorse64: I have been playing chess seriously for 20 years
Astrobytes: I haven't played seriously since I was quite young
darkhorse64: But I was not strong. My best was 1960 ELO
Astrobytes: my grandfather used to organise the chess conference & tournaments in and around my town
Astrobytes: I suck pretty badly these days
eulerscheZahl: i played against a classmate once, who was really good at chess.
told be 3 moves in advance that i'm about to lose my knight. but he was wrong, I lost my rook :D
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: you showed him
Astrobytes: Did you see the news MSmits
eulerscheZahl: the contest news?
Astrobytes: Yes.
MiyamuraIzumi: beam search for finding escape path
struct: I guess ill just pick a multi now and play it like it is a contest
eulerscheZahl: inspect page source code
eulerscheZahl: i wonder if this contest will reflect back on the contest leaderboard
MiyamuraIzumi: 11 days
MiyamuraIzumi: for beam search
Astrobytes: Not 11 days. A few hours. And no search.
Samzok123: hi
darkhorse64: DP puzzles did
Astrobytes: DP?
eulerscheZahl: dynamic programming?
darkhorse64: Detective picaptcha
Astrobytes: Oh the pikachu thing with the not Moebius strip
eulerscheZahl: that fake Möbius strip :rage:
struct: ill port ludo, not sure how bots plays there
struct: But it can go over 150 turns per player I guess
Astrobytes: Ludo? Isn't that random based on die roll?
eulerscheZahl: you can have 300 turns per player (1 vs 1 game, 50ms/turn)
struct: yes astro
struct: also I dont need to give the turn to player if its only 1 move
struct: I can just play that move on the referee
struct: so it doesnt take time
Astrobytes: Snakes & Ladders next? :P
eulerscheZahl: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4713/conflix
Astrobytes: or https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/571/papua
Astrobytes: (I read "escape the cannibal's soup pot" as "escape the cannabis soup pot" lol)
darkhorse64: head already into the pot ?
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: afk for a bit
[CG]Thibaud: > i wonder if this contest will reflect back on the contest leaderboard
it will not eulerscheZahl
MiyamuraIzumi: * haha
MiyamuraIzumi: too silent
struct: yes im finishing ludo
MiyamuraIzumi: what is ludo
struct: its a board game
MiyamuraIzumi: I mean do you port a game for it?
MiyamuraIzumi: can you give the link?
MSmits: I did not see the contest news Astrobytes
MSmits: where do i see it?
darkhorse64: Just announced on the chat
darkhorse64: by tibo
MSmits: oh
darkhorse64: The contest is a team coding escape around Halloween
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
MSmits: i see. Not sure if I'll compete. Will have to be with one of you guys if I do.
MSmits: if it's only a few hrs it has to fit my schedule too. Usually thats possible
struct: MiyamuraIzumi check here
struct: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775
MiyamuraIzumi: thanks struct
MSmits: btw, I think I would prefer a solo puzzle speed like detective pikaptcha over escape even
MSmits: even though i am not that good at those puzzle things
darkhorse64: Not so surprising given CG will push to push these kind of events. They are also promotiing it rather than hackathons which means that semi private contests may also disappear
darkhorse64: *will to push*
MSmits: well I don't mind them pushing those really if this is good for CG
MSmits: as long as I can do my multis :)
MiyamuraIzumi: Did you ever play Escape MSmits?
MiyamuraIzumi: at least finish one of them?
MSmits: No, but just the fact that it's a team thing turns me off already :)
MSmits: I mean, i would not mind trying it once, in this contest with some of you
MSmits: but the general concept does not appeal to me
darkhorse64: RL escapes with friends are fun
MSmits: i did a break in room, which is kind of the same but reverse
MiyamuraIzumi: yes, to some extent
MSmits: they just gave me all the paper puzzles and stuck me somewhere while the other guys did all the running and picking up of stuff
darkhorse64: sane labor division
MSmits: indeed
eulerscheZahl: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/11/us/escape-room-burglar-trnd/index.html
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
- D
MiyamuraIzumi:
MSmits: "He did call 911. That's not a win. He quit,"
MSmits: very funny
DJFunkyMaster_9a81: q ondaaaaaaaaaaaa
Astrobytes: As a teenager I had to escape from someone's house once without being seen by their parents...
DJFunkyMaster_9a81: piola
darkhorse64: someone = girl ?
MSmits: bad boy Astrobytes
Astrobytes: guilty as charged darkhorse64
MSmits: the main question is though. Did you succeed or did you drop off a roof or something?
MSmits: or both
Astrobytes: I climbed out her window, went down the drain pipe about halfway, jumped and legged it through the neighbours garden
MSmits: ahh ok
Astrobytes: Wasn't so hard to do
MSmits: you could have just gone out the front door and said: Sorry, wrong house
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: fun times
TimothyAlexisVass: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7308d63b764bf1979ade0e862fcb636fa0f4
1 more approval
eulerscheZahl: somehow i'm always attempted to do the exact opposite
eulerscheZahl: same as when youtubers tell me to like and subscribe
TimothyAlexisVass: tempted? ;)
eulerscheZahl: yes :/
TimothyAlexisVass: It happens
eulerscheZahl: and last time you posted that clash, i told you that you should indicate the direction of the rotation
eulerscheZahl: clockwise/counterclockwise
TimothyAlexisVass: OK
TimothyAlexisVass: - is counterclockwise and + is clockwise, I thought it was obvious from the examples..
eulerscheZahl: your 2nd reviewer even wrote that as a comment. and still approved
eulerscheZahl: the statement should be clear enough that you don't need examples to fully understand the task
Samzok123: hi
TimothyAlexisVass: Feel free to improve the contribution, I always do that when I think something can be better. Between you and me, I see it as a matter of opinion.
eulerscheZahl: meh, clashers should decide about their puzzles. i'm just passing by because you linked it on the chat. my interest is more in the multiplayer section
TimothyAlexisVass: OK
eulerscheZahl: and i'm a bad and selfish user: wanting others to review my puzzles while ignoring theirs
struct: Same
struct: I dont think I ever reviewed one
struct: I think bit runner is the exception
eulerscheZahl: good thing we have jacek and tric trac
TimothyAlexisVass: ^ _ ^
eulerscheZahl: anyways, gtg :soccer:
see you tomorrow
struct: hf
Illedan: bye
struct: hi Illedan
Illedan: yo
struct: any recent improvemnt on fb?
Illedan: Mostly random stuff that doesn't work
struct: I feel your pain
struct: its still impressive regardless
Illedan: But I pushed everyone down. So I need a lot of wins to gain top 2
struct: ah yeah
struct: its way harder now
struct: unless you have > 60% win rate vs top 2
Illedan: Best I had was 75%+ vs rest and 50% vs top 2. Still 1 point below pb :/
struct: so it has similar strength
Illedan: I guess they win more vs the rest
struct: probably, cant remember it was a long time ago
struct: recurse bot was also a bit stronger than pb4
Illedan: https://imgur.com/a/6krgi6S
This is the earliest screenshot I have from their previous ranks
pb4: hi
struct: hi pb4
pb4: Just in case, because we got very frustrated back in the day with Neumann
pb4: If someone has a good AI and feels that the ranking system is holding them back, I'm open to a simultaneous resubmit to give more chances
pb4: (back in the day on CSB)
pb4: Would need some kind of cgbench stats showing >50% winrate with 95% confidence interval for example
pb4: hi struct :)
Astrobytes: Thyl: Be patient. He will either get bored or escalate, in which case he will get banned.
Thyl: thx Astrobytes
struct: o.o
Astrobytes: Just some idiot kid that Uljahn banned the other day
struct: I see
struct: Usually they pm me Hi
struct: and thats about it
Astrobytes: This one thinks he's real smart.
shonal45: hi
shonal45: im new
shonal45: in the game
struct: hi
TimothyAlexisVass: Do you like nutritional yeast?
struct: never had any
Astrobytes: if used sparingly as part of a flavouring involving other herbs and spices it can be good, otherwise its like an inedible bad cheese
Astrobytes: What's with all the weird questions recently? Dapo's shoes, Timothy and the nutritional yeast...
Astrobytes: CG chat is becoming a self-help group
BlaiseEbuth: Hello. My name is Blaise. And today, it's been 5 months I haven't participated to a bot contest.
Astrobytes: :P
struct: hmm floodfill distance seems to be working
struct: maybe ill try tron after all
TimothyAlexisVass: ..(\ /)
..(•.•)
c(")(“)
struct: i have ascii art ptsd
TimothyAlexisVass: oh goodness I'm so sorry
MiyamuraIzumi: you can't participate to ... well
TimothyAlexisVass: Sometimes when I answer a captcha, I try to answer it without clicking all of the traffic lights.
MSmits: when you're feeling robotty?
JBM: i usually click on as little as i think i can get away with
struct: usually when I finish them they make me repeat it :(
Westicles: so they verified escape room contest?
BlaiseEbuth: Yup...
struct: yes
Westicles: Huh. I wonder if it gives CP. They'll have a revolt if it doesn't
struct: Maybe it will give cp, but it wont count towards contests rating
Astrobytes: I don't think it will be particularly successful. I wish them the best with it but I'm not convinced. Time will tell.
struct: I just dont know how it can be a contest
struct: does it start at the same time for everyone?
BlaiseEbuth: :smiling_imp:
struct: Can be quite hard to get everyone to play at the same time
struct: But Im sure they thought of that
BlaiseEbuth: :zipper_mouth:
Wontonimo: i haven't really loved escape room irl, so i'm not all that jazzed :shrug:
Wontonimo: and I hear you have to work as a team. I come here to get away from having to work with a team ;)
struct: hi Wontonimo
Wontonimo: hi hi
Wontonimo: i won't üse a ü in your name anymore
Wontonimo: struct
struct: lol
struct: im trying tron atm
struct: ill try to check if depth 1 voronoi is really enough for legend
struct: I dont want to put a lot of effort on this game
Wontonimo: if I had stayed focused and not just dabbled I'd have an iterative deepening minimax by now. just played with flat MC far too long
Astrobytes: don't go too deep in the alphabeta is what I'd recommend
Wontonimo: deep as in optimization, or deep as in plies ?
struct: i always go straight into mcts tbh
Astrobytes: plies
Wontonimo: why not?
Astrobytes: It's not great to get too deep in 3-4 player games
Astrobytes: Too much uncertainty imo
Astrobytes: I had far better luck limiting the depth somewhat
struct: So my first step should not be optimize :(
Astrobytes: As always YMMV
Wontonimo: thanks Astro
Astrobytes: And I don't know if MaxN, paranoid or only closest opponent is best
Wontonimo: i gotta go. my got has that "i'm so bored that i'm gonna get in trouble" look. Going for a walk. seeya
Wontonimo: my dog
Astrobytes: I will experiment at some point
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: lol, clears the head too :)
struct: cya
Astrobytes: finally banned that knobend from the discord
struct: who?
Astrobytes: The one I mentioned earlier
struct: ah
Astrobytes: Yazuni
Astrobytes: Give 'em enough rope
struct: Don't think I ever saw him
struct: But I'm not really active on discord
Astrobytes: Well his posts have been deleted from the past 24 hours, still some left in General I think
Astrobytes: Just a kid with too much time on his hands evidently
shonal45: hi
struct: hi
Mithrandir017: hi
CodeKing45: hi
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ccastro: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19680471d5d47ca7b65e2a0ab7b7c38c8fe192a
BrandonPetersen: knock knock
ashwin_h26: whos there
BrandonPetersen: nobel
ashwin_h26: nobel who
BrandonPetersen: nobel... thats why i knocked
BrandonPetersen: :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c75a2e5f-b4cb-481b-9976-f5472d906e8b
ashwin_h26: :sweat_smile:
CodeKing45: :joy::laughing:
Ryan_Brighton: lmaoooo
Ryan_Brighton: knock knock
BlaiseEbuth: Nobody in there...
Lord_Binary: timers for puzzles start counting when I read the first input, right?
CodeKing45: some of these questions are difficult to decipher even with a coding book.
BrandonPetersen: knock knock
Ryan_Brighton: what
BrandonPetersen: you say whos there silly
Ryan_Brighton: who is there
BrandonPetersen: water
Ryan_Brighton: water who?
BrandonPetersen: water you asking so many questions for?
Ryan_Brighton: thats how a knock knock joke wors
Ryan_Brighton: *works
BrandonPetersen: no
Ryan_Brighton: yes
Ryan_Brighton: lets try again
Ryan_Brighton: whos there?
darkhorse64: stop spamming the chat
BrandonPetersen: stop spamming the chat who?
Uljahn: pls guys, go be funny somewhere else
Ryan_Brighton: pls guys, go be funny somewhere else who?
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah this chat is gor borring people
BlaiseEbuth: *for
Uljahn: this chat is for people interested in coding, not some lvl4 trolls
BlaiseEbuth: Go lvl up and come back trolling when you'll be experimented enough.
struct: how did i type != 4 instead of != -1
struct: ...
VeryPoliteCat: where can I see the history of my clash of code games ?
JBM: browser history
struct: or click the bell icon at the top right
VeryPoliteCat: well that's not convenient
VeryPoliteCat: so I should never mark my notifications as read
JBM: no, it isn't
JBM: you can mark as read, they're still there
VeryPoliteCat: ah, yes
JBM: not sure you can retrieve an infinite backlog of them, though
JBM: count on 1k
MSmits: got my new Y bot working without book
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/581283865
MSmits: loses to arena bot (with book), but look how soon it knows it's lost compared to my old bot :)
struct: thats a lot sooner
MSmits: frame 41 new bot says LOSS. frame 48, old boss says WIN :)
MSmits: old bot
MSmits: yeah, it's the late game pruning I think
MSmits: prunes equivalent safe moves.
struct: Which rank do you think it would get?
struct: without book
MSmits: crap rank. I already tested it vs dafish, tric trac etc.
struct: ah
MSmits: It does well vs darkhorse
MSmits: problem is early game traps, mcts is just bad with that
struct: yeah
MSmits: those minimax bots find em
struct: I made 1 ply for tron
struct: Lets see if I can get legend
MSmits: nice, if you do, you beat mine :)
struct: I need to improve it a bit though
struct: i already did :p
MSmits: good :)
MSmits: this is a graph game btw
MSmits: there's some tricks around separating out areas that are only connected by 1 tile
MSmits: because you cant go to one area and then back
MSmits: so your floodfill cant count them both
MSmits: these are graph tricks
struct: I just reused my floodfill from stc
MSmits: yeah thats fine to start with
struct: i added distance too it and it seems to be working
MSmits: nice
struct: But I probably wont waste a lot of time on it
struct: Im not really a fan of 3+ player games
BobTheBuilder888: why not?
MSmits: me neither. It's hard to write a search that makes sense
struct: And this game is not balanced at all
BobTheBuilder888: true.
struct: There are starts that is obvious which player will win
MSmits: yep
MSmits: they do rotate, but then you just get a draw
MSmits: like uttt mirror with p1 win advantage
BobTheBuilder888: i would only be able to make a stable 4+ player site if i was block coding ;-;
MSmits: block coding?
BobTheBuilder888: you know, with those blocks
BobTheBuilder888: they are reactangle blocks and its so much easier to code with, but you cant block code a site.
BobTheBuilder888: rectangle*
struct: like scratch?
BobTheBuilder888: yeah
BobTheBuilder888: i learnt from scratch but... im banned
struct: banned from scratch?
struct: how?
BobTheBuilder888: i got muted alot because all these kids were coming at me being racist and sexist
BobTheBuilder888: but i found another game like that, but it also had python 3, html/css, javascript, ps.js and java
BobTheBuilder888: anyways, does anybody know how to code a cps test using javascript? Im gonna make one today because i wont code for a while after today..
struct: whats a cps test?
BobTheBuilder888: clicks per second test.
struct: change image start timer wait for click stop timer
struct: ah clicks per second sorry
struct: i thought it was reaction time
struct: but should still be similar
BobTheBuilder888: i guess
struct: https://ssaurel.medium.com/creating-a-click-speed-test-game-in-html5-2296751d0a97
BobTheBuilder888: thanks
ZaAinavolTrash: yo
struct: yo
BobTheBuilder888: yo
Shil8: yo
BobTheBuilder888: hello everyone, im bored, and you may be aswell so.. https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/Pfk-osd-tvZ-TBx
Legedy: yo
BobTheBuilder888: yes?
myNickName01: in the clash of code, there should not be an option to share code, it should auto be shared
BobTheBuilder888: nah because what if your embarrassed of your code?
altr: ^
ZaAinavolTrash: Insert your depression here:
altr: i can write code, but normally i dont
altr: good code*
BobTheBuilder888: i can write code, but im not good at it
altr: i feel like if im on this site too much ill start writing i=input in my regular scripts
struct: I usually golf production code
Wontonimo: it's a good way to keep noobs out of it
struct: hi mr Wontonimo
struct: today I tried tron
Wontonimo: and?
Wontonimo: how did it go?
struct: im at 87 gold
Wontonimo: i guess i can check
struct: I did 1 move and voronoi
**Wontonimo looks at my rank. sad face
struct: I can help you if you want
struct: im still trying to get legend
Wontonimo: i should just implement minimax
Wontonimo: wait ... 1 move and voronoi? not minimax or mcts?
struct: yes just 1 move
struct: for my bot
Wontonimo: okay, please help
struct: ok 3 moves
struct: left up or right
struct: or down
Wontonimo: all first moves
struct: yes
Wontonimo: 1 move
Wontonimo: cool.
struct: Ok so this is what I do
struct: I try all those moves
Wontonimo: i'm all ears
struct: and score to see if I can reach them before enemy
struct: so basicly voronoi
struct: and I keep the best one
struct: actually i check against all opponents
Wontonimo: you only do 1v1 for each opponent?
struct: i do 1vs all
ZaAinavolTrash: How is everyone doing with their sanity..
ZaAinavolTrash: bc scripting could trigger something ngl--
BobTheBuilder888: im starting to think to learn C++ instead of javascript, any tips?
Wontonimo: maybe my voronoi is different. how does yours work?
BobTheBuilder888: or C#
struct: I do floodfill to calculate distance to every cell
struct: so shortest distance
Wontonimo: and what do you do with distance?
Wontonimo: don't you use area?
struct: I keep the distance for all the bots
struct: so I know how much it takes for a bot to reach each cell
struct: then I just compare my cells distance from opponent
struct: and check the ammount of cells that im closer
struct: and choose the highest one
BobTheBuilder888: lice is very dangerous
BobTheBuilder888: my mum got lice and she died
BobTheBuilder888: my uncle got lice and he died
Wontonimo: be nice, stay on topic, talk about coding or coding game. dems the rules
BobTheBuilder888: my grandma got lice and she lived, but she lived a very licey klife.
struct: yeah lets keep it coding related
struct: while people are talking about it
BobTheBuilder888: i am coding a story?
struct: if people are not talking about it im a little more lenient
BobTheBuilder888: anyways
BobTheBuilder888: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4fbbdff8-970f-413f-856a-8d95875e866f
BobTheBuilder888: other than if else
BobTheBuilder888: damn the questions inside the pastebin
struct: you are printing the word thrust
struct: you need to print ' 100'
BobTheBuilder888: no thats my variable
BobTheBuilder888: it equals 100
struct: like that it isnt
BobTheBuilder888: oh, and im on wood 2
Westicles: plus it is trust
gggsfjw: im new to coding what are the 5 most important things
Wontonimo: tell me more, i don't quite understand this - "then I just compare my cells distance from opponent and check the ammount of cells that im closer and choose the highest one"
struct: i sum them all
struct: the ammount that im closer
BobTheBuilder888: important thing
BobTheBuilder888: 1. Variables
BobTheBuilder888: 2. Functions
BobTheBuilder888: 3. Testing your code
Wontonimo: 4 arrays
struct: Bob its enough spam
Wontonimo: he is answering gggsfjw
struct: oh sorry
struct: :p
Wontonimo: but he could have done it as one line
BobTheBuilder888: oh
Wontonimo: at first i thought it was spam also lol
BobTheBuilder888: nah
Wontonimo: that's what happens when you did a little, people start to assume you are doing more
BobTheBuilder888: me dont spam unless i hate the devs or something
BobTheBuilder888: and i like the devs here
struct: Wontonimo this is what I do
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0fe09912-bc23-4a6e-93c5-b5a49c9f5c40
struct: distance is 3d array
struct: distance for each player to each cell
BobTheBuilder888: hey struct, should i swap javascript for a better coding language like C# or C++
BobTheBuilder888:
struct: depends on what you want to do
Wontonimo: back to floodfill with distance
2 1 2 3 4 5 5 4 * *
1 M 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 *
struct: yes
struct: that what mine looks like
struct: So i use that to score in the array distance
struct: store* in the array
Wontonimo: let's say M is my move and E is enemy move.
Wontonimo: what is the score in this case?
Wontonimo: oh, let me look at the pastebin
struct: 14-10 I think
struct: 14-9*
BobTheBuilder888: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9f7b1730-da3a-4ca9-b8de-6b22a571949a
BobTheBuilder888: anything wrong with it?
Wontonimo: how is this different than area?
struct: sorry i did not know what you meant by area
struct: should have asked
Wontonimo: Bob, this is what you want
Wontonimo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e145acbd-91b7-4f1f-a6b3-4821663e1a0b
Westicles: ha, that's mean
CodingBugs: How do I approve a community submission? I have over 50 games clashes played which the forums say is the requirement
Wontonimo: if it isn't a clash, you need other requirements
Wontonimo: like having done a lot of puzzles
Wontonimo: or unlocking the ability in the quest map
Wontonimo: it should tell you
CodingBugs: Ah okay, I see now! Thank you!
CodingBugs: I can only approve clashes, not classic puzzles
Wontonimo: your code l looks like each player does its own flood, like this
2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 * *
1 M 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 * <-- where the enemy is here
Wontonimo: because : distance[i][y][x] <= distance[0][y][x]
struct: ah yes
Wontonimo: wouldn't work unless each player filled their own map without considering the other players fill
struct: im not being of much help
struct: yes each player does his own fill
Wontonimo: THIS IS VERY HELPFUL ! That is the insight i'm missing
BobTheBuilder888: ill wait later to ask you why my codes not working............
struct: We told you
struct: First you are using wrong python syntax, second you are using python mixed with javascript, third you are printing the word thrust instead of the value of the var
Wontonimo: i was doing sync fill on a boolean board and I'd get nearly similar scores but in edge cases it's different.
Wontonimo: oh, that's why you said that's mean. haha, i didn't really notice
Wontonimo: what lang are you using bob?
Wontonimo: probably javascript
Westicles: I just meant the trust/thrust thing
Wontonimo: thrust = Math.abs(nextCheckpointAngle) > 90 ? 50 : 100;
console.log(nextCheckpointX + ' ' + nextCheckpointY + ' ' + thrust);
Westicles: anyhow bob, programming isn't for everyone. the world needs fry cooks as well
Wontonimo: that's Westicles' way of encouraging you (I think) to learn faster
Wontonimo: thanks for sticking with explaining your approach struct! much appreciated
struct: np
struct: Ill stick for a bit
struct: trying to find a bug
Wontonimo: i'm not going to code it tonight. i'm kinda bagged from a long workday of coding stuff I really don't want to be coding which is fairly untestable
struct: i had it easy
struct: I just reused my floodfill from stc
struct: but needed to add distance to it
Wontonimo: stc?
struct: smash the code
struct: puyo puyo
struct: I dont have a finished bot there but I do have the sim
Wontonimo: legend "I don't have a finished bot" lol
struct: yeap
struct: I think the current submit is a very handicapped version
Wontonimo: i think we use the word "computationally challenged" now
struct: ah sorry
Wontonimo: lol
Wontonimo: hmm ... bob went away. i even reached out on private with better and correct code
Wontonimo: also, looks like West left also
BobTheBuilder888: im back
struct: wb
Wontonimo: how did you come up with that version of voronoli ?
struct: hmm I thought it was like this
struct: I didnt read anything
Wontonimo: i'm really trying to see how this is different than area. i'm stumped actually
Wontonimo: oh my, i didn't disable dead enemies in my flood fill
struct: lol
struct: maybe thats the problem
Wontonimo: for some reason it is doing a lot better in this submit
Wontonimo: :eye: :regional_indicator_l: :eye:
Wontonimo: I'm "taking the L"
struct: lol
struct: i guess ill try bfs depth 1 and then add 1 extra ply for me
struct: and eval
Wontonimo: wow, my score was -0.02 for a sec
struct: close to demotion
Wontonimo: hmm... that's weird. my rank isn't any higher. it's actually lower
struct: With the bug fix?
Wontonimo: yea
struct: We call those features
Wontonimo: re-submit!
struct: gl
Wontonimo: thx
Wontonimo: well, that is for me for tonight. thanks for the insight
struct: np, gn
ZaAinavolTrash: Yo
struct: hi
BobTheBuilder888: im back
BobTheBuilder888: but i guess alot of people left
STOP4643: hi
sio0322: hi
Leejuwoo: hello
ProCoder03: Good morning!!
BobTheBuilder888: good afternoon!
Leejuwoo: good lunch
Alex4200: good morning.
JustinZhang: how to read the color in smash the code?
JustinZhang: how to input the color
DominikR: Im coding with R basically, which of the available languages is the most similiar to that?
