VeilTape: Nice, yeah it's a cool trick
DarkLord__28: :open_mouth:
mailbox: lol i was way too greedy
mailbox: i submitted my code without testing on a speed competition
mailbox: after testing on the first test and then i only got 20%
holyterror: F
BeginnerCoder1: Hello
derjack: aww
BeginnerCoder1: what is it?
derjack: woah royale 1st in c4 ~
BeginnerCoder1: Ok
BeginnerCoder1: I'm Just Playing Some Clash of code
holyterror:
bear314: who's a student :D
BeatulTreaz: present :nerd:
ProCoder03: me!!!
trique667: prejent
trique667: ERICO
Thibb1: ✋
TrinhCuongCoder: hi
Hugh_Jass: hi
chop-chop: hi
The_Else: hello how are you doing?
ProCoder03: what's collision time in search race ??
jrke: its the time taken to reach the checkpoint in current turn
jrke: colliding time with checkpoint
ProCoder03: Ohhh.... Thanks jrke
jrke: np
PKX: can someone join me at this coding escape game? https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/3r8-SXk-1cE-U92
C26_1: Lol
C26_1: I find a programmer who use import calender to calculate how many days in month and in years
C26_1: Im such a dumb and stupid
derjack: why
C26_1: Because I don't know techonology
BeatulTreaz: yeah google is 18 yo
C26_1: I mean people are inventing technologys everyday everytime and yet I'm don't know 99.99% one of those things that you can import directly in Python
C26_1: Cmon, man
C26_1: You can use import calendar to calculate days, given the month and the years in just many character
BeatulTreaz: But then you don't learn the algorithm
C26_1: um, excuse me
C26_1: I use else if to calculate the day according to month and year
C26_1: and someone just use import calendar and bam get the result
C26_1: I don't think i'm suited with this job tho
C26_1: Because ya know tech
Uljahn: python standard library is huge but possible to learn
derjack: python is batteries included
Uljahn: exactly, those are time saving
BlaiseEbuth: C programmers code, and python programmers import what C programmers coded.
struct: :scream:
C26_1: hey
C26_1: I know a little bit about pointers in C++
C26_1: I know its very abstract
BlaiseEbuth: it's not...
C26_1: But c'mon, do you know your house's address
C26_1: Yes, and you use it everyday it papers
C26_1: Haizzz
C26_1: But...
C26_1: Teacher aren't teach that anyway
BlaiseEbuth: Good teachers do.
C26_1: Example:
Uljahn: don't rely on teachers, learn it yourself
C26_1: This is a spreadsheet about address of each house
C26_1: @Ulijahn, yeah don't rely it, because in this "summer", I learn programming language more than my schools cold ever had to learn
C26_1: could*
struct: well when you learn by yourself you can focus on one thing
struct: its harder to that if you are a teacher
Uljahn: on the other hand teachers tend to give you systematic knowledge, not just excerpts from here and there
C26_1: I don't know if programming knowledge will ever help me to become a police
C26_1: BTW, in Vietnam, police wear green not blue
Uljahn: :thinking:
C26_1: blue is for protector in shops
C26_1: Unless
C26_1: You do some research on internet and capture some fraud
C26_1: For example, if you ever want to clean http website. you can use your lnowledge to do that
C26_1: knowledge*
struct: im confused
struct: Why did it go from programming to police
C26_1: Do you know hobbyist
struct: ah
C26_1: Im sure that I'm hobbyist
C26_1: Just learn for fun
struct: so your hobby is programming
struct: thats fine
C26_1: Yea
C26_1: wow
C26_1: I find a player who write this code
C26_1: t=input()
print(.join([x for x in t if x.isupper()]+['\n']+[x for x in t if x.islower()]))
C26_1: basically you take a input string and extract all upper letter in order and lower letter in order
C26_1: My code is like this
C26_1: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/26733d81-0e06-4e82-a0ad-0c4898ace462
derjack: oh my
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah! Python has list comprehension! Hurray! \o/
derjack: oO
eulerscheZahl: t=input()
s=[,]
for c in t:s[c.isupper()]+=c
print(s[1]+'\n'+s[0])
eulerscheZahl: that's shorter
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/874971207c8a53f1cebe8fc97799c4536824e6
to verify correctness
eulerscheZahl: s=[]*2
even 1 char less
eulerscheZahl: and with inlined input()
eulerscheZahl: s=[]*2
for c in input():s[c.isupper()]+=c
print(s[1]+'\n'+s[0])
derjack: you sound like someone who does clashes :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: no, then i would probably know some bash syntax
eulerscheZahl: replacing c.isupper() by ord(c)<90 cuts off another 2 chars
eulerscheZahl: 91, otherwise Z would count as lower
RoboStac: if you change it so s[0] is upper you can do "print(*s,sep='\n')" to save some as well
eulerscheZahl: ah, right
eulerscheZahl: we would have won the clash
RoboStac: it sounds like no-one was utf'ing it anyway so it should have been easy to win
eulerscheZahl: true
eulerscheZahl: even now we are above the magic 50 chars limit
C26_1: What the hell is this again
C26_1: a=input()
print(["loses","wins"][a==a[::-1]])
C26_1: I don't know how to exaplin
C26_1: explain
C26_1: I'm in clash
C26_1: Check if a number is palindrome
eulerscheZahl: a[::-1] is the reverse
eulerscheZahl: a==a[::-1] checks if it's the same in reverse
eulerscheZahl: this will be 0 (different) or 1 (equal)
eulerscheZahl: and that matches the array index
C26_1: wow
BlaiseEbuth: Thx eulerGle
BlaiseEbuth: gooZahl
BlaiseEbuth: eulerDoc
BlaiseEbuth: ?
C26_1: byebye
eulerscheZahl: Ruby is shorter
a=gets
puts (a==a.reverse)?"wins":"loses"
eulerscheZahl: looks like I could win some clashes if I would try
struct: $><<(a==...
struct: instead of puts
BlaiseEbuth: print(["loses","wins"][input().isPal()])
struct: I won
struct: ah wait
struct: mine doesnt work :(
eulerscheZahl: AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'isPal'
**eulerscheZahl slaps BlaiseEbuth around a bit with a large fishbot
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. I really thought that such an essential method will be in core python...
eulerscheZahl: and not even a believable fake, considering that python uses snake_case and not camelCase
BlaiseEbuth: You still have runned it... :3
Uljahn: should be in line with isalpha() and isdigit() though
eulerscheZahl: runned? fix your English
BlaiseEbuth: No.
Uljahn: you have ruined the joke, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: which multi are you working on ?
BlaiseEbuth: Verbs in situation of irregularity I send them back to their countries.
struct: im porting quake Automaton2020
JeremyNguyen: AlkhilJohn is a BOT?
struct: yes
Uljahn: there are some official bots in clashes
Im9: my IQ on this is 16%
sirsatan: what happen with starter kit in ColM ?
Uljahn: you mean this? https://github.com/csj/code-a-la-mode/tree/master/src/test/starterkit
sirsatan: YES thank you. Github link was in description at the beginning.
sirsatan: oh it is inside source code
derjack: that where no one looks!
derjack: that and the statement
eulerscheZahl: and the 2nd page of google search results
eulerscheZahl: and the memes you share, jacek
derjack: and onitama leaderboard below 1st
Giovanick03: want to do a clash?
Giovanick03: https://www.codingame.com/servlet/urlinvite?u=4481155
Giovanick03: :grin:
Mc.Flury: im brand new and have no clue what to do ;(
Uljahn: what are you aiming for?
Mc.Flury: to learn javascript at least
Mc.Flury: idk...
Uljahn: what do you need to learn js?
Mc.Flury: idk
Uljahn: so how do you know you learned it?
Mc.Flury: idk!
Uljahn: nice
Mc.Flury: :(
Mc.Flury: what should i learn? or what i mean is bc im new, what should i try to learn that is easy
Giovanick03: i need help too :sweat:
Giovanick03: just pratice and well get better :confident:
Mc.Flury: how do i practice when im new, not even 40 min ago
Uljahn: have you tried to search for a tutorial?
Mc.Flury: wdym?
Giovanick03: :v:
Mc.Flury: well, imma go and take ur advice on tutorials, imma go play angry birds
Uljahn: investing time in playing makes you proficient with the game, the same applies to learning a language
Giovanick03: Thats it Uljahn ! :sunglasses:
Giovanick03: Mario World took a lot of coding like a lot lot lot LOT! :no_mouth:
Giovanick03: Imma try bash tutorials and thanks :slight_smile:
Giovanick03: Uljahn want to clash :smile:
Giovanick03: Uljahn? :neutral_face:
Giovanick03: Want to do some Quizziz?
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Marchete: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: Marchete are you doing any multi atm?
Marchete: naah
Marchete: idle mode since end of July
struct: was hoping to see you on c4
struct: so many NNs
struct: next oware
Marchete: top what?
struct: top 3 is NNs
struct: rank 6 and rank 10
struct: rank 4 and 5 have opening books
Marchete: and why did you flip?
Marchete: bugs?
struct: nah
struct: I just cant improve my bot
struct: on bt
Marchete: go to NN then
struct: easier said than done
struct: :p
Miki09: @magus
Miki09: ?
Magus: ?
Miki09: I've been doing your csb tutorial
Miki09: it didnt worked
Miki09: i've changed boost method angle to radian coversion
Miki09: from float ra = this.angle * PI / 180.0 to float ra = this.angle * PI * 180.0
Miki09: and now it works
BlaiseEbuth: Your fault Magus, fix your tutorial.
PKX: excuse me, but what is ascii 7 bit encoding format called? utf7?
Marchete: yeah, fix it
BlaiseEbuth: ASCII...
BlaiseEbuth: :3
PKX: just ASCII? im using bytearray rn
PKX: lol
PKX: thx
BlaiseEbuth: Oh you mean, for an encoding function ?
PKX: yea
PKX: btw i found the documentation
BlaiseEbuth: You probably have to use utf8 and remove the trailing zero
PKX: "The input message consists of ASCII characters (7-bit)" it says
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. But in fact there's 8bits, with the first one always to 0.
PKX: so imma just remove the 0 before the loop
Miki09: @magus i'm sorry it was another bug i've made :(
Miki09: I've figured it out now
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: can someone help me with "coders strike back"?
Astrobytes: You again.
eulerscheZahl: exactly my thoughts
Astrobytes: Sometimes they just can't help themselves.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: im just here for coding now, im not changed but im not gonna do the things i do
Astrobytes: Correct. Or I'll ban you again.
mkkhell: what did he do
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: you banned me like 2 times before and i get it i'll code and ask for help
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: anyway, can someone help me with coders strike back?
Astrobytes: No one will help you unless you ask about something specific.
eulerscheZahl: and you were never banned, just kicked. otherwise you couldn't chat anymore
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: AI control of system program
Astrobytes: No I banned his other account yesterday.
eulerscheZahl: oh
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: and mr.nomad too
Astrobytes: Lucky I didn't ban you on sight today.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: can we get back on the road?
Astrobytes: The ball is in your court.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: how can i make a AI system program
struct: hmm
eulerscheZahl: there are helping links on the puzzle landing page, like http://files.magusgeek.com/csb/csb_en.html
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: thanks
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: also if i get off the road, tell me so
Mr-S: pdf
Mr-S: sds
Mr-S: cccc
Astrobytes: Stop it Mr-S
eulerscheZahl: that's off the road
eulerscheZahl: have i told you the flat tire story Astrobytes?
BlaiseEbuth: If you can't see when you get off the road, don't drive...
Astrobytes: No I don't think so eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: had a flat tire earlier this year, got it fixed at a local repair shop
struct: I remember
eulerscheZahl: then again a month later, told them to look for the cause
KalamariKing: story time
eulerscheZahl: then a 3rd time, got it to my brother in-law
struct: bike tyre right?
struct: tire*
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: now ya guys for the most part are getting off the road
eulerscheZahl: the first 2 times did cost me 40€ each
eulerscheZahl: the 3rd one costs me a pizza. that's why I have to leave now, see you
struct: lol
struct: cya
eulerscheZahl: yes, bike tire
Astrobytes: lol
BlaiseEbuth: ngl
struct: Maybe ill move to germany to replace euler tire
Astrobytes: For the pizza!
struct: 40€ is the price of a premimum tire
struct: premium*
Astrobytes: Good point. I'd never pay that.
struct: time to replace is 5 minutes max
struct: at least for road cycling tires
BlaiseEbuth: 40€ is the price of a premium pizza
Astrobytes: I've always fixed my own over the years. Either repair, replace inner tube or tread, or a new one
struct: oh yeah
struct: He might not even have to need to replace the tire
BlaiseEbuth: Patch it
struct: Replacing the tire is rare
BlaiseEbuth: ezpz
struct: inner tubes are quite cheap
Astrobytes: Yeah, usually when you've buckled it in some way
struct: like 4-5€ for decent quality
Astrobytes: Yep. And it's easy to patch up if not too bad. Easy to find the puncture too.
struct: i had punctures over 50km/h
Astrobytes: I haven't had something like that since I was a teenager
BlaiseEbuth: old time
struct: Well I did triathlon, maybe ill go back into it again
Astrobytes: Nice!
BlaiseEbuth: A rare picture of young Astrobytes on his first bike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle#/media/File:Michauxjun.jpg
Astrobytes: I always thought everyone learned bike maintenance as a young kid.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: do ya guys have coding as a job?
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: cheeky git
struct: maybe one day eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers
struct: Im not a good enough coder
Astrobytes: brb
BlaiseEbuth: :kissing_heart: Astrobytes
Astrobytes: :D
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: should i change my username? and who coded the whole web
BlaiseEbuth: Me
BlaiseEbuth: That drifted away
BlaiseEbuth: a little...
struct: maybe you contributed to it
Astrobytes: 1. Yes.
2. Don't be ridiculous.
struct: I probably did
struct: There is yavalath, yinsh, othello, amazons
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: hmmmm...........i want to code a dating sim game again
struct: So do it
struct: I cant help you
Astrobytes: I'd like to kick you again.
jacek: oO
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: i didnt do anything wrong, im talking about coding
struct: he is following the script
Astrobytes: Don't get smart. You're doing the same old crap again.
BlaiseEbuth: I'd like to put your head in my fridge...
struct: only the head?
BlaiseEbuth: Yes. Why?
Astrobytes: Is there cheese in there?
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: oO
jacek: thats my line!
struct: is it an expression?
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: not the weirdest thing i ever read before
BlaiseEbuth: Expression?
struct: puting the head on the fridge
struct: Where did that come from?
BlaiseEbuth: No...
Astrobytes: That's just Blaise being Blaise.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: now we'll all getting drafted away
BlaiseEbuth: Just a momentary desire
Astrobytes: Shut up and code.
Mr-S: ccccc
struct: Time to find a game to port
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: i got something to ask
BlaiseEbuth: Nevermind. No more space in the fridge...
struct: lol
struct: eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers when you want to ask something
struct: just ask
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: okay, what made everyone want to code?
BlaiseEbuth: Power, sex and money.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: oO
BlaiseEbuth: And food.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: okay
BlaiseEbuth: Food first
struct: pain is the reason
struct: I need to be carefull on which game I port
BlaiseEbuth: Le pain est la raison :french_bread:
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: i wanted to code cuz i was bored and all my work was done
struct: maybe ill end up porting the next contest
Astrobytes: I doubt that.
BlaiseEbuth: A port of port of the contest of contest!
struct: its not unlikely
struct: just filter by abstract top games
struct: in boardgamegeek
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: does anyone do 3D designs more than coding?
struct: nope
Astrobytes: A regular contest is unlikely so far.
BlaiseEbuth: But a baggy contest...
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: XXXL
struct: I heard its 1M$ prize pool
struct: this is the reason of only 2 contests
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: so, how do they make the money up for the prize pool?
BlaiseEbuth: Selling kids.
BlaiseEbuth: Or parts of
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: I should start my own contests. I'll bake the winner a kouign amann
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: oh, not the other weirdest thing i ever read
BlaiseEbuth: Kouign amann :yum:
Astrobytes: See? It would totally be a hit.
BlaiseEbuth: I'll win such a contest
Astrobytes: Hey I said I'd bake one. I never said I'd give it to the winner :P
BlaiseEbuth: I can free some space in my fridge. OO
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: afk for a bit, back later
BlaiseEbuth: Away for Kouign aman I guess...
struct: never saw that food
BlaiseEbuth: One year of calories in a cake. But so tasty... :heart_eyes:
MACKEYTH: Ooh, I've heard of kouign aman. You make it?
BlaiseEbuth: Astrobytes will make one. :yum:
MACKEYTH: https://youtu.be/RK7AAI6Zicw
BlaiseEbuth: Meh... Putting it in little part like this will alter the cooking...
struct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=099qXDYutyg
struct: what about these?
MiyamuraIzumi: you make me hungry
MiyamuraIzumi: STOP!!!
BlaiseEbuth: Take a head in the fridge...
MACKEYTH: Your PotW problem desciption is fun, @BlaiseEbuth
BlaiseEbuth: Oh! A person who take it in the right way! :o
codingbossdevolment: heyyy
Golyator: Join the dark side and our private lobby https://www.twitch.tv/golyator
jacek: do i look like a man with a plan?
MiyamuraIzumi: hi
MiyamuraIzumi: I am learning MCTS
MiyamuraIzumi: for MCTS should we have score for draw
struct: I think so
struct: usually i do -1/0/1
struct: lose, draw, win
MiyamuraIzumi: oh
MiyamuraIzumi: thanks
struct: 0.0/0.5/1.0 also works
MiyamuraIzumi: I am doing for UTTT
Wontonimo: :thumbsup:
MiyamuraIzumi: my previous was 0/0.5/1.0
Wontonimo: previous what?
MiyamuraIzumi: but I am thinking about changing this rate
MiyamuraIzumi: rate for win/draw/lose
MiyamuraIzumi: score on MCTS
Wontonimo: oh, you already have a strong UTTT bot
Wontonimo: have you added solver to mcts?
MiyamuraIzumi: yes, I do alot of optimize as you mentioned earlier
struct: I dont think change 0/0.5/1.0 to -1/0/1 will have any different results
MiyamuraIzumi: nope
struct: try adding mcts solver
MiyamuraIzumi: what is solver?
MiyamuraIzumi: I am still learning
Wontonimo: i have a short memory, sorry MiyamuraIzumi
MiyamuraIzumi: yes
Wontonimo: are you familiar with negamax (a varient of minimax) ? It is fairly similar
MiyamuraIzumi: I know about it
Wontonimo: in that if you know for sure the opponent has a winning move, then your move is losing
Wontonimo: and if you know for sure your opponent only has losing moves, then your move is winning
Wontonimo: so, with that knowledge, you can change your backprop to send positive and negative infinity in those cases
Wontonimo: and otherwise send 1/0/-1
MiyamuraIzumi: so just add that, and it is a solver, right?
Wontonimo: anything more than that struct?
Wontonimo: that you can think of?
jacek: i have flag solved in node
Wontonimo: +1
struct: yeah the difference is that I use a flag
Wontonimo: i have a backprop function, and a backpropsolved function.
Wontonimo: backprop is regular
MiyamuraIzumi: I am still confuse
Wontonimo: backpropsolved is only called if select gets an end state (or a solved state) and it does the solved backprop until it can't, then it calls backprop
MiyamuraIzumi: do you have any link for this?
Wontonimo: i don't have anything good
MiyamuraIzumi: I search on gg, but not quite sure on which page that I can understand
BlaiseEbuth: gg\o/
jacek: that mcts solver paper? :scream:
jacek: https://dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/m.winands/documents/uctloa.pdf
BlaiseEbuth: rickroll :smirk:
MiyamuraIzumi: a lot of text :(
BlaiseEbuth: reader gonna read
MiyamuraIzumi: thank you all, I will research on this
Wontonimo: my explanation is concise. Use paper and pencil to go through some TTT end game moves while re-reading what I wrote and I'm confident it will click
struct: Dont read the code
struct: is the worst code ive seen
Astrobytes: the paper itself is nice and clear though
Wontonimo: another good background concept is negamax variant of minimax. It is what solver is doing when the conditions are right
Astrobytes: +1
jacek: +inf
Astrobytes: :smirk:
BlaiseEbuth: +nan
MiyamuraIzumi: thanks :)
Lord_Binary: Just completed the silver certification for "Coding Speed" on the quest map. And immediately jumped to completing legend, as I had already completed the rest of them :upside_down:
Lord_Binary: so much for being hyped for a new quest to work towards
Astrobytes: Quests are overrated. Pursue glory in other ways.
BlaiseEbuth: Kill goats and children for Satan!
Astrobytes: Not quite what I had in mind.
BlaiseEbuth: Virgins?
Astrobytes: Nope.
BlaiseEbuth: :thinking:
BlaiseEbuth: Ponies!
Astrobytes: Close but no cigar.
BlaiseEbuth: Unicorns? :unicorn:
Astrobytes: Getting legend in multis, improving your optims etc
Astrobytes: I like the unicorn thing though. So patriotic.
BlaiseEbuth: Patriotic?
Astrobytes: The unicorn is the Scottish national animal.
BlaiseEbuth: Not the haggis?! :scream:
Astrobytes: Indeed. You can find them playing together sometimes in the darker areas of the highlands and islands, if you are lucky.
Astrobytes: :P
BlaiseEbuth: Well. I can totally imagine the clans marching to war with purple kilts on rainbow unicorns...
Astrobytes: Actually, unicorns are vicious creatures
jacek: vicious?
jacek: no more than pegasi
BlaiseEbuth: Or purple horses
Astrobytes: This is not a pony conversation.
BlaiseEbuth: lasagna with a horn stay lasagna
Astrobytes: Unicorns were natural enemies of the lion, the symbol that the English adopted
BlaiseEbuth: "Naturak enemies"
Wontonimo: don't play leapfrog with unicorns
Astrobytes: Sound advice. Up there with yellow snow consumption.
BlaiseEbuth: #ZappaKnown
Astrobytes: Blaise is the Central Scrutiniser! :o
Wontonimo: "don't accept wooden nickels from strangers" - I have questions, like why only not from strangers
Astrobytes: Never heard it paired with "from strangers" tbh
Wontonimo: and wouldn't a well crafted wooden nickel be more valuable than a real one with todays lumber prices?
Astrobytes: Fair point.
BlaiseEbuth: https://imgur.com/a/GWBK8Lh
Astrobytes: I approve.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: hows ya coding goin?
Astrobytes: I actually had a conversation with a Brazilian yesterday about a fart-powered bagpipe.
BlaiseEbuth: :thinking:
Astrobytes: That wasn't even the strangest part of the conversation.
BlaiseEbuth: Fart will not be enough...
BlaiseEbuth: What about decomposition gas? OO
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: ...
Astrobytes: If you've ever been around me you'd know that the bag could be filled pretty quickly.
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: and im gonna go back to drawing ponies and coding
Astrobytes: Anyway this conversation is rapidly going downhill.
BlaiseEbuth: Like a chopped head...
Astrobytes: Your puzzle is puzzle of the week Blaise
Astrobytes: congrats
BlaiseEbuth: \o/
Astrobytes: I haven't looked at it since it was in Contributions, maybe I'll do it tomorrow
Westicles: Only one new published solution
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah!
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21PrOKRG8w
jacek: that sounds like a plan
Astrobytes: Did you draw that scary bagpipe-monster BlaiseEbuth?
Westicles: Someone needs to show zeno how to unpublish
Astrobytes: where is Zeno anyway? I know I've been absent a fair bit recently but normally catch him once in a while
Satyawashere: whats up
Astrobytes: :point_up: that way
Satyawashere: D:
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: nothin but drawin some art
Satyawashere: bad joke
Astrobytes: I didn't say it was funny.
Satyawashere: :(
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: ooof
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: im gonna code that coders strike back thing now
MONIGMA: ok
MONIGMA: I'm back
MONIGMA: peoples
Westicles: daniel?
Westicles: I haven't been keeping up who was who
eulerscheZahl: i'm back. did you also get the RAIC email Astrobytes?
YurkovAS: i'm also received RAIC email and confirmed delivery again
eulerscheZahl: was about to advice you to click "submit" again
eulerscheZahl: last year kovi thought he had already ordered it and ignored the 2nd email. and received nothing
eulerscheZahl: and I have a feeling that I'll get an M hoodie again :(
eulerscheZahl: somehow they won't let me pick M for tshirts and L for hoodies
YurkovAS: in delivery card info click (expand) "My deliveries" and in the list choose not filled prizes
eulerscheZahl: i really struggle with this poorly translated site
YurkovAS: https://imgur.com/a/zZTs2DF
YurkovAS: and change language in top right
Astrobytes: Yes euler
eulerscheZahl: the language selection doesn't translate everything
eulerscheZahl: i have that list of deliveries. that YES is not a link
Astrobytes: As YurkovAS says it's just to confirm your details are correct, so you can just click the button
jacek: those russians eh
YurkovAS: Prize columns is link
eulerscheZahl: initially I ordered: tshirt in M, hoodie in L
eulerscheZahl: now I opened both links again. And both sizes were L
eulerscheZahl: so I saved the tshirt again as M
Astrobytes: I can't do it twice as delivery is confirmed now, but if anything is different, change it then confirm
eulerscheZahl: and tried to go back to the hoodie and save as L. But it's already ordered now that I saved the tshirt
BlaiseEbuth: Found it in a youtube video Astrobytes
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: Ahh, it's great :D
eulerscheZahl: i never got to confirm the hoodie
Westicles: they are just excited, first guy that isn't XXXXL
eulerscheZahl: also: highloadcup, YurkovAS? did you like it?
eulerscheZahl: I have the mini AI cup in my list
eulerscheZahl: got emails about the highload but didn't look that interesting to me. almost like real work
Astrobytes: Yeah, I checked a few of those out over the past while, didn't seem overly fun.
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7339982be7cb46f22ef80f9c453cbca0e17d
that last validator :D
eulerscheZahl: Stilgart your turn
Butanium: hi !
Astrobytes: lol what
Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: wanna get me banned?
Stilgart: :D
MH125: hi
eulerscheZahl: i can ban you if you want ;)
struct: great clash
struct: specially the last validator
Stilgart: btw, abs (-2147483648) is -2147483648 assuming OP has a machine from the last millenium (ie 32bits integers)
Astrobytes: It's certainly very... 'special'
Westicles: There's also that one with special characters
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/732061ad47c5fad3e81616c4b9b24e2f8436
Stilgart: at that time, people already knew that 2's complement was the thing to do
YurkovAS: eulerscheZahl Short answer - yes. I'm like Highloadcup 2018, maybe because this is my first contest. And also solve 2017 - this is easy version of 2018. But last 2020 is was distinct, more similar to optimization problem: where i'm is not good.
Westicles: Can all languages handle that now?
Butanium: Guys I need your imagination, there are 2 contrib named "clash of bots". I accepted to add a subtitle to mine because the other author made a thesis in which he mentions the name. Do you have any idea of what subtitle would sound good ? 😅
struct: bots of clash
Astrobytes: Bot Clash
Butanium: I thought about "clash of bots : arena" but idk if it sounds good for people who really speak english
eulerscheZahl: i remember there was a task on hacker.org that asked you for which input a given Java program would throw an exception. was also about abs(int.min)
Butanium: I already have a banner that's why I want to add a subtitle
Butanium: I'm lazy to make a new one x)
Astrobytes: I think you might have to overcome the laziness ;)
eulerscheZahl: "Death First Search" is still free, somehow no one wanted to take it
Astrobytes: :D
Butanium: ahah
eulerscheZahl: i also try to sell "Anonymous Algorithmics" for years
eulerscheZahl: but would be better for a fog of war game
eulerscheZahl: and if you don't like AA as the acronym, you can just take the first 2 letters of each word
Astrobytes: *"Algorithmics Anonymous"
Butanium: what's the play on word with anonymous algorithmics?
eulerscheZahl: alan? like alan turing?
eulerscheZahl: anonymous alcoholics?
Astrobytes: Stop being German and doing it backwards!
Astrobytes: :P
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/71980557041b57ab49fcd374d3e804175be358
Butanium: oh ok nice one x)
eulerscheZahl: viewer died long ago after some breaking update
Astrobytes: Alcoholics Anonymous, ALgorithmics ANonymous
Astrobytes: I liked the concept
YurkovAS: eulerscheZahl And HL-cup community maked new similar tasks platform: https://highload.fun
Butanium: well I think I'll go for either
bots of clash or Bot Clash
Butanium: bots of clash sounds a bit weird doesn't it ?
Astrobytes: Yes.
Astrobytes: Bot Wars?
Astrobytes: Battle Bots is most likely a copyright issue
eulerscheZahl: gchebanov at #3
i remember that nick. some cryptography background, solved nintendo with ease
Astrobytes: Cool that the community made a platform for those tasks
eulerscheZahl: but no D support
Astrobytes: :D
struct: write the fastest code o.o
eulerscheZahl: "Try to find the sum of these numbers for the shortest time. In case of an integer overflow, just ignore it."
struct: but fastest time or fastest code?
Illedan: hi
Butanium: hi
Astrobytes: Wording is a little ambiguous to say the least
Astrobytes: Fix your FB Illedan
Illedan: In submit
Astrobytes: :)
Butanium: Bot wars or bot wars 🤔
Butanium: *bot clash
Astrobytes: Or Bot War (many clashes/battles == war), or War of the Bots, or Bots of War
Astrobytes: Warbots
Astrobytes: Wombles
Astrobytes: I donno, be creative :D
eulerscheZahl: finding a good title is hard
eulerscheZahl: writing a statement too
YurkovAS: Or current contest (1place prize $6.5k): top1 - Oleh Kuznetsov = Recar
https://cups.mail.ru/ru/tasks/1103
Astrobytes: (not Wombles though, that was a joke)
Butanium: I was very happy with clash of bots x)
Butanium: also I already have almost 1000 views on my contrib
Butanium: so maybe I should just aadd a subtitle
Butanium: so that player can still recognize it
Astrobytes: Nice YurkovAS
Butanium: "Clash of bots : ANNIHILATION"
eulerscheZahl: too bad that yandex algorithms isn't as international anymore :(
Butanium: I don't know if it really sounds good or not x)
struct: YurkovAS on the site you linked we are supposed to write optimized code?
Westicles: Just leave it as is
Westicles: You had it first
Astrobytes: They limited the Yandex one to Ru only?
eulerscheZahl: the algorithms part (codejam-like) is free for everyone. but much less prizes (30 tshirts?) - used to be 512
eulerscheZahl: there were optim contests too. those are Ru only now
Astrobytes: Ah right. Yeah I'm familiar with the formats
YurkovAS: struct yes in c++, rust or go.
struct: ok
struct: ill try to see how bad I am
Illedan: Hmm, this seems to work :O
Unless it crashes and burns soon
struct: nice
struct: which number did you change?
Illedan: 0.25 => 0.1
struct: not the answer I wanted
Illedan: :D
Illedan: Decay of a Genome from 1 iteration to the next
struct: 0.1 => 0
struct: rank 1
struct: Does your bot do the accio trick Illedan?
Illedan: trick?
Illedan: Tell me more
struct: carry a ball then use accio on another
struct: ball will collide with the one you were carrying
struct: causing massive boost
Illedan: Sometimes
Illedan: but I only sim 4 turns ahead, so sometimes my Accio throws the ball in the wrong direction :P
struct: still nice improvement
Illedan: This makes no sense
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: i got my new pfp
Illedan: but i accept it
eve_va_hooves_the_king_of_losers: also im done with coding in another web
struct: now port it to c++
struct: and get rank 1
struct: or wait even better
struct: you dont need to use C++
struct: C# has avx
Butanium: A friend of mine gave me a good subtitle
struct: :thinking:
Butanium: Clash of bots : *explode another day*
Astrobytes: I don't get it.
lStevenmo: Hola
darkhorse64: die another day, a James Bond movie
Astrobytes: Oh. I can't stand James Bond movies.
struct: i barely can watch movies
struct: I only enjoy tv shows now
struct: movies feel too short
Astrobytes: I try to minimise exposure to both these days.
struct: ofc tv shows where most of episodes are fillers its a no go
jacek: have you tried... anime
struct: not really
struct: do you jacek?
jacek: maybe
Westicles: Going to movies is awesome these days. Nobody there but me
Astrobytes: anyway, later everyone
struct: cya
Butanium: cya
TheMDStyle: суа
Ryan_Brighton: cya
BrandonPetersen: wattup homies
Ryan_Brighton: whats up chat?
pythonforfun_2: i don't know, the sky
BrandonPetersen: that was a pretty funny joke
Ryan_Brighton: hahahahah
Ryan_Brighton: u so fummy lmao
BrandonPetersen: :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
BrandonPetersen: :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
Ryan_Brighton: :eggplant:
struct: chill
Ryan_Brighton: :peach:
Stinkyfish: Did u do a loop to print the emojis?
Wontonimo: hey struct
struct: hi Wontonimo
Wontonimo: are the kids behaving? i see some graffiti on the walls here
struct: well they did stop
struct: after i asked them
struct: no further action was needed
Wontonimo: the emoji was almost in the shape of a G. Perhaps a C before it would have been on-theme eh?
scripto_entity_1010: print('hello people')
struct: I didnt understand the joke :(
struct: hi scripto
struct: 2 am i need to wake up early
Starting_Coder: Hey can the creators make the code blocks and have a see code button,so when we put blocks together we click see code and it shows the script?If so that would be easy.
Starting_Coder: Hey can the creators make the code blocks and have a see code button,so when we put blocks together we click see code and it shows the script?If so that would be easy.
struct: but I cant stop :(
Starting_Coder: Hey can the creators make the code blocks and have a see code button,so when we put blocks together we click see code and it shows the script?If so that would be easy.
struct: I think you only need to ask once
struct: you mean to compare code versions Starting_Coder?
Starting_Coder: yes
struct: usually I use vscode to check it
struct: it has inbuilt tool for that
struct: I guess you could suggest that feature on the forum
Starting_Coder: like making them blocks then,Having a button that shows the script.
struct: Wontonimo have you ever use mmap by any chance?
Wontonimo: no. i've used map
Wontonimo: what's mmap?
struct: its to optimize reading
struct: not important on cg
struct: https://github.com/Highload-fun/platform/wiki/How-to-use-MMAP-to-optimize-data-reading
Wontonimo: oh, yeah there was something like this in CP/M
Wontonimo: that was OS based
struct: what is CP/M?
Wontonimo: not quite the same
Wontonimo: an old operating system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M
struct: oh
struct: way older than me
struct: :D
Wontonimo: using the os you could specify a part of RAM "as a disk drive"
struct: o.o
Wontonimo: so, not quite the same but smells similar
Wontonimo: man, that drive was FAST (as you could imagine)
struct: for the time I would guess so
struct: 16kb of ram
struct: damn
struct: cpus caches are bigger than that now
Wontonimo: yeah, huge change
Wontonimo: i guy i met at a coding meetup told me about how he optimized IO by prepacking the output data to be exactly the disk block write size
Wontonimo: really reminds me of data-oriented design
struct: wow
struct: I dont think I can do anything close to that
Wontonimo: what? I see your UTTT bot and C4 bot. That's some serious data-oriented design there to get that high
struct: But it might be easier to do now
struct: Than it was some years ago
Wontonimo: C4 was much more recent right?
struct: I think they have 1 month difference at most
struct: it uses the same mcts
struct: my bt, c4, uttt all use same mcts
struct: the main difference on bt is that it is ept
struct: maybe I can add some features to the mcts
struct: that I havent fully implemented yet
Wontonimo: i haven't tried BT yet
struct: is quite hard
struct: at least it was for me
struct: mcts with solver was like top 30 at best
Wontonimo: like what? (wonto drops jaw thinking there is more than solver lol)
struct: with full playout
struct: if its a forced move, you dont backprop
struct: but do expansion again
struct: same if it was only 1 node expanded
struct: small things
Wontonimo: oh yeah
struct: you can even check if opponent only has 1 move next turn
struct: and expand again
Wontonimo: where have you seen these?
struct: the implementation?
Wontonimo: the ideas? was it in a mcts review paper?
struct: no, I just thought of it when I was doing breakthrough
struct: I wanted to handle zugzwang
struct: and this way should cover it
Wontonimo: i like these ideas
Wontonimo: there was another one about doing all expands at once
struct: I expand all every time and rollout all
struct: in all games I think
Wontonimo: and the handling is different than just regular backprop. i don't remember
struct: except on bt where I prune my moves
Wontonimo: i tried the expand all rollouts for uttt. didn't work as well
struct: yeah its a hit or miss
struct: msmits does only 1 rollout
struct: me and darkhorse do all
struct: we both are similar rank, me and darkhorse
Wontonimo: i do 2 rollouts
struct: hmm
struct: the 2 best ones?
Wontonimo: so, regular mcts, and when a rollout is supposed to happen, do a second one and backprop them
struct: ah you do 2 rollouts for the same expanded node
Wontonimo: yeah
struct: It performs better?
struct: or is it similar strength?
Wontonimo: better for sure. at least 1.5 truescore better
Wontonimo: it was originally a stopgap because my select and expand was way too slow
struct: do you know what your ndoe size is?
Wontonimo: it's really small now
struct: < 32bytes?
Wontonimo: 24 bytes
Wontonimo: just checked
struct: Its good then
struct: My bt node is that size
Wontonimo: it was giant before
struct: yeah some people have > 100 bytes on node
struct: it doesnt help on selection
Wontonimo: then after fixing it i forgot to remove the extra rollouts. a couple days later while reviewing the code to try and find new ideas it was surprising to see it there. i had forgotten about it
struct: But not everyone needs performance
Wontonimo: removed it and it performed worse
struct: lol
Wontonimo: tbh, i did reduced it from 3 down to 2
struct: I think I tried something similar on c4, but it performed worse
struct: I even wrote my worst code to date to try doing selection with avx
struct: It works but did not gain any performance
Wontonimo: that's some dedication!
Wontonimo: i considered trying that for 2 days, then thought maybe i should spend quality time with my dog instead
struct: avx is worth but not for selection ofc
struct: On c4 to check win and opponent winning moves
struct: it helps a lot
struct: But can be a bit tricky if you are not familiar with it
Wontonimo: i saw lots of chat here about BT being special in-that finding long chains of that lead to a sure win is very important
struct: yeah
struct: I never implemented it successfully though
Wontonimo: ah. do you remember the gist of any of the ideas?
struct: Well its easy to see has a human
struct: But I dont know how really code it
struct: At least without it being expensive
struct: I can currently check if its a win if I have a piece in 6th row and is my turn
struct: inclunding multiple captures
struct: if you are attacking a 7th row twice its a win
Wontonimo: if only there was some way to get computers to see somewhat how humans see :smirk:
struct: and if its your turn
struct: This part I could code it
struct: But I want to check on opponent turn
struct: which makes it way harder
Wontonimo: well, i think i'm just about burnt out of helping with CSB
struct: can be hard
Wontonimo: pretty tired of being asked crazy personal questions after helping someone with how to use sqrt
struct: :/
struct: are the questions that bad?
Starting_Coder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e991cdf4-85eb-4f27-82ee-f9765eb152c3
Wontonimo: just stuff that can identify
Wontonimo: that's pretty good advice Starting_Coder
Wontonimo: oh wow Starting_Coder, you have just joined days ago!
Wontonimo: what brought you here?
struct: nice im making progress
struct: went down from 33 sec to 1 sec
Wontonimo: in what?
struct: https://highload.fun/tasks/1
struct: I only tested localy yet
struct: its taking 1 sec to reading and sum 100'000'000 numbers
struct: localy
struct: I have no idea if its good or not tbh
C26_1: Wait
struct: The default code is the one that takes 33 sec
SnakeDad24: I don't really understand how to do these games.
Wontonimo: which game?
SnakeDad24: All of them ._.
Wontonimo: that's too many for me to help with
struct: snake I would with puzzles
Wontonimo: if only it was 1 or two
struct: To understand how the site works
SnakeDad24: Right now I am doing temperatures
struct: The descent should be the easier one
struct: then thor
Wontonimo: were you able to do the onboarding one?
struct: There is abs function in most languages
SnakeDad24: Just not understanding how to output the results.
struct: Its usefull for temperatures
struct: which language?
SnakeDad24: C++
struct: cout << value << endl;
SnakeDad24: Yeah
C26_1: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/11c7e419-f36b-49e4-a8ad-4cec0479c23b
struct: cerr << val << endl;
sends to stderr
struct: which allows you to debug
C26_1: Um, wait
C26_1: how to know if the input stdin out of inputs in python
SnakeDad24: Right.
Westicles: I've been hanging out with the twitch clashers. Those guys are incredible at golfing
struct: They are good Westicles?
struct: which languages do they mostly use?
struct: bash/perl?
Westicles: Mostly ruby from what I've seen. But then they ban one language at a time and they seem to manage in whatever is left
Hakyoma: Hey, do you get more clash point the more people are in the same clash?
struct: its based on other players rankings
struct: *** stack smashing detected ***: terminated
struct: o.o
struct: Never saw this error before
Wontonimo: what's that from?
struct: gcc
Wontonimo: me neither!!
struct: its time for me to go
struct: gn everyone
Wontonimo: bye
MiyamuraIzumi: hi
Wontonimo: hey
Wontonimo: how goes the solver MiyamuraIzumi ?
mailbox: lol i was way too greedy
