derjack: good morning
BlaiseEbuth: 'n
Peached: a
juice0: s
cheraigel: Good morning good people
derjack: who
GroutchKeu: No such thing as "good people" :|
Altonormz: good morning good, people
brotatotes: good morning
sapfeer0k: Morning, the website is repaired, good :)
derjack: repaired?
TimGas: good morning
TimGas: help me please
Uljahn: pls elaborate
zax121: how do i do this?
zax121: im doing what it says
Uljahn: this is a general chat, it's not specific to the problem you're on
Uljahn: so pls give more details
KiwiTae: Uljahn o/
Uljahn: hi Kiwo
Uljahn: Automaton2000: we need more context
Automaton2000: even if they dont have to be
zax121: i just started this thing that said ai and im suppose to make the thing go to the targets but it's not moving
KiwiTae: coder strikes back?
zax121: yes
KiwiTae: theres a hint button on the left
Peached: i also struggle alot at it
Peached: just takes time
Peached: ill just never make it to legend my 2 pods are idiots
zax121: theres no hitn button for me
zax121: *hint
Peached: i dont think theres hints in ai games
Peached: what code u got so far
Uljahn: coders strike back is a tutorial game, so it gives some popups with hints which can be dismissed
Peached: ohh. guess was too long ago for me
Uljahn: zax121: paste your code here
Peached: hm
zax121: k
zax121: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fe5abcd4-8563-4a8e-9b5b-9933a34c9e6b
Peached: problems
Peached: print(str(next_checkpoint_y) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " 50")
Peached: they are both y
Peached: the first one should be next_checkpojnt_x
Peached: and idk u pasted the code like 3 times i guess its fine
zax121: what do i change
Uljahn: guess you should first click "restore default code" at the top-right corner of IDE
Peached: change line 24
Uljahn: then fix your output to be x, y instead of y, y
Peached: coders strike back teams when
zax121: like this print(str(next_checkpoint_y) + "x,y " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " 50")
Peached: no
Peached: print(str(next_checkpoint_x) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " 50")
Peached: you made a mistake, both of the 'next_checkpoint' should not be y
Thyl: Peached
Peached: hi
Thyl: print in python has a super power :)
Peached: fax
Thyl: print(x,y,"50")
Thyl: is :
Peached: AAAAAA WHEN CAN I BEAT DARTHBOSS
Peached: wait thats possiblr?
Thyl: <value of x> <value of y> 50
Peached: *i use too much f strings and in codingame im just useless
Peached: lemme try that
Peached: genius
Thyl: f string is good....
Peached: idk y i dont do it in codingame
Thyl: read the docs and you will have no problem with f string
zax121: thanks im on the second part now
Peached: kool
Peached: how do i fix the thing that it often does a wrong turn like it wouldve been easier if it turns left but it does a 360 right?
Peached: im raging of that
MSmits: calculate the angle difference between your heading and the angle you want to have
MSmits: pick the change in angle that is in the direction of the smallest change
MSmits: just make sure you do it right around 0
Peached: idk how to count the angle i want to have
MSmits: well you have to error output all your input every turn. See what it tells you about how angles work in csb
MSmits: then check different frames
MSmits: see which way the pod is facing
Peached: hmmmmmmm
Peached: ill try
MSmits: remember that when angles become negative, there's a point where they become maximal
MSmits: not sure if it;s [0,360] or [-180,180]
MSmits: have to account for this with some kind of condition
MSmits: this is probably the reason it does the wrong turn
MSmits: oh and your language might use radians
MSmits: check that too
Uljahn: guess the reason is he doesn't account for the next next checkpoint, also what's "a 360 right" thing?
MSmits: thats when you want to do 1 degree left
MSmits: to get to the correct angle
MSmits: but instead it does 359 right
MSmits: to get to the same angle
Uljahn: is it possible in csb gold?
zax121: im stuck again
MSmits: this is possible whenever you code something to do with angles
MSmits: it might just be something in his code. Possibly overcomplicating things
MSmits: but yeah it's possible
Uljahn: but you output x and y, not the angle
MSmits: of course
MSmits: but you could be using angles in calculation
MSmits: and come out to some x and y that reflect this problem
MSmits: who knows what he;s doing in his code
MSmits: it's just a common angle problem
Uljahn: zax121: and?
derjack: "step mod, help me"
Uljahn: :smirk:
MSmits: zax121, wriggle it around a bit, maybe it'll come loose
MSmits: good to see you can still type though
IamQuan: :>
zax121: im suppose to change my thrust and i did but its not moving
Peached: higher or lower?
zax121: i think higher
KiwiTae: zax121 share your code so w can see maybe
KiwiTae: or maybe u did i wasnt checkin hehe
Wontonimo: yippie, I finally got around to porting to C4
Louzy: My question is:
Can i complete the "challenge" with the information that is provided in the exercise ?
Wontonimo: which challenge?
Louzy: Platinium Rift - Episode 2
AntiSquid: what do you mean by C4 ?
Wontonimo: connect 4
AntiSquid: oh ... nvm then
Wontonimo: Louzy , i haven't done Platinium Rift
Louzy: Hmmm ok
Louzy: Should i start with Platinum or do you recommend another one for starters ?
Wontonimo: if you haven't done coders strikes back, start there
Wontonimo: here's the link Louzy https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back/leaderboard
Louzy: Thank you
Wontonimo: what language do you prefer to use for programming? c++, rust, python, java, javascript? And how much experience do you have?
Wontonimo: :( looks like the roll-over to check peoples standing is no longer working
Astrobytes: yeah, I reported it on the weekend
KiwiTae: my fav feature :( :p
derjack: theyll fix it on next friday deployment cycle
Wontonimo: thanks derjack
struct: hi
Wontonimo: hey struct - i've finally joined C4 :D
struct: nice, feel free to ask if you have any questions
Wontonimo: thanks. i got the 63bit state per player implemented. Super fast win condition check implemented.
struct: also dont worry too much about performance
struct: its not very important
Wontonimo: ooohhh
Wontonimo: i was going gangbusters on performance
derjack: says the guy who has 4.5 rollouts ~
Astrobytes: 4.5 eh
derjack: speed
Astrobytes: 4.5 rollouts per turn? :P
derjack: eeyup
darkhorse64: x 1M
derjack: its implied
4DsErfan: write ur discord bellow
Astrobytes: I don't have a discord bellow
struct: I dont know my discord
Astrobytes: And even if I did I wouldn't let you hear it
MSmits: come on, share that bellow with us
Astrobytes: :grin:
MSmits: or just DM me the bellow. But let me dial down my speakers first
Astrobytes: hahaha, I'll pass
MSmits: aww ok
Astrobytes: some other time perhaps :P
MSmits: sure
MSmits: btw, almost done with D&B, got one more thing to try
Astrobytes: What's left?
MSmits: a loopy heuristic I can use when my calc time is reserved for nim and score solving
MSmits: works for marchete
Astrobytes: was about to say is that something to do with marchete
MSmits: yeah, he still beats mikla a lot when i try in the IDE, more than me
Astrobytes: You still up top?
MSmits: i didnt submit so yeah, but my wr vs mikla is <40%
MSmits: so if i submit a lot, i am 2nd
Astrobytes: Hm. Sounds worth trying the loopy thing
BlaiseEbuth: If I stand on a chair, I'm tall.
MSmits: yeah, should not be too hard and not be too much code
MSmits: good for you BlaiseEbuth
BlaiseEbuth: Thx. You too
Astrobytes: thanks for sharing Blaise!
MSmits: not me, I'm short when standing on a chair
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah... But you're second if you submit a lot. Not me, he.
dbdr: for me it depends on the size of the chair
Astrobytes: If I submit a lot CG stops me submitting
struct: but submit is the only way to test
Astrobytes: therein lies the problem
BlaiseEbuth: And if in addition you rank well, you could lose your mod status! Be careful :scream:
struct: im not good enough to rank well
Amir50: :laughing:
4DsErfan: still waiting for discord tags
MSmits: you were asking for discord bellows, that's not the same
**BlaiseEbuth write 'Anarchy' with paint on the wall.
struct: are you a recruiter?
BlaiseEbuth: Who ?
struct: 4d
4DsErfan: whats dat
BlaiseEbuth: See 4DsErfan, I made a discord tag on the wall.
Astrobytes: Digital Audio Tapes, used to be the standard in most recording studios
Astrobytes: (dat)
Astrobytes: For instance, I could have recorded my discord bellows on it
BlaiseEbuth: Recording studios doesn't use .wav ? :o
Astrobytes: *used* to be standard
BlaiseEbuth: And they use wav now? -_-
BlaiseEbuth: Was a joke
Astrobytes: oh, sorry :grin:
BlaiseEbuth: :(
Astrobytes: was crazy how fast HDD recording took over from DAT though
BlaiseEbuth: Hoooooo Doobi Doo ?
Astrobytes: Yes. The industry standard :P
BlaiseEbuth: Haven't sleep since more than 24 hours. I'm looking a t my code like: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IDTN5jjI9OU/VoqyxFKfjcI/AAAAAAAAEac/5Duxo3MNSUU/s1600/gandalf.png
Astrobytes: lol, take a nap dude
BlaiseEbuth: :sleeping:
struct: I just become a zombie at the keyboard
struct: after so much time
Astrobytes: sure-fire way to introduce bugs and weird code
BlaiseEbuth: Some call that 'features'.
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: :raised_hand:
struct: we need knightthrough
Astrobytes: the breakthrough variant that nobody asked for?
struct: yes
struct: instead of pawns its knights
Astrobytes: does it exist?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: madness
Astrobytes: any good?
BlaiseEbuth: madknightthroug
Astrobytes: lol
struct: no idea
struct: I dont really play any of these games
Astrobytes: well, give it a shot and see what happens
MSmits: he says after being stuck on breakthrough for a month
Astrobytes: hehehe
AllYourTrees: more like lamethrough amirite
Astrobytes: Limpthrough
AllYourTrees: lol
BlaiseEbuth: ngl
Louzy: why did i reach
Louzy: A limited number of plays
Louzy: ?
Louzy: And how do i remove it
MSmits: because the number of plays is limited
MSmits: and you wait
Louzy: Haaa k Ty
Louzy: How long if i may ask ?
BlaiseEbuth: Until it disapeat
MSmits: not sure, a few mins
BlaiseEbuth: *r
MSmits: maybe 10-15, not sure
Louzy: how many plays do i have ?
MSmits: it's not a set number
Louzy: And why cant it be infinite ?
MSmits: you can probably do it 50 times in an hour or so
BlaiseEbuth: Cause you don't pay servers
MSmits: because it costs money
Louzy: That was a stupid question ngl i didnt even think
MSmits: if you spend some more time coding and debugging before you try, you should never reach it
MSmits: mind you, i sometimes hit it, but not often
Louzy: But thank you MSmits and BlaiseEbuth
AllYourTrees: i hit it all the time lol :D
MSmits: did you change things between tries?
AllYourTrees: i just randomly comment out parts of my code and play a few times to see what happens
Louzy: Me 2 xd
MSmits: ahh ok
Louzy: I did alot
MSmits: yeah thats a fast way to hit it
BlaiseEbuth: AllYourTry
Louzy: I cant pass the first coders strike back the one where you have to use the if statment
Louzy: When i thought i got it i got the error
Louzy: xd
Louzy: Can i ask questions to users here ?
MSmits: yeah
Louzy: I tried to google and search but cant find anything related to this thrust exercise
MSmits: what excercise?
Astrobytes: thrusting exercise?
struct: csb
Louzy: So ive got my ship to move and go to each checkpoint the problem is the ship stays in the same checkpoint for 3 times
BlaiseEbuth: Thrust me, I'm a pod
Louzy: print x y thrust
Louzy: idk what code should i put here
struct: coordinates of the next checkpoint
struct: replace thrust by 100
Astrobytes: checkpoint.x checkpoint.y 100
Louzy: im in C
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/573605884
MSmits: I think i did it
MSmits: see me lose the nim
MSmits: and then win the gaME
MSmits: machete-style
struct: weird game
MSmits: I even enlarged my score a lot using score solver
Astrobytes: nice
Astrobytes: Louzy: do you know C?
BlaiseEbuth: Enlarge tour score in only a week with this score solver!
BlaiseEbuth: *your
MSmits: took more than a week :P
Astrobytes: Nim solvers hate this trick!!
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: unfortunately, i might be shooting myself in the foot vs other players, but we'll see, first testing cg bench vs mikla
BlaiseEbuth: Well, you have another foot.
MSmits: true
Astrobytes: Hopalong Smits
BlaiseEbuth: Always two there are, no more, no less.
Wontonimo: hey Louzy, send a replay of your current bot in action. Use the "share" button that looks like three blobs connected beside the gear
BlaiseEbuth: You need a replay of his bot staying in place?
Wontonimo: yeah, how it stays in place is telling
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Wontonimo: Louzy, iirc the default code has your pod steering to Y Y instead of X Y. First the first coordinate to X
Astrobytes: yer supposed to make 'em look for it !
BlaiseEbuth: First the first, and then the second.
Wontonimo: always, other than under special circumstances
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/44cd694e-3f17-455d-be5c-7f1c4a07d487
MSmits: going well :)
Wontonimo: "First things first, but not necessarily in that order." - Dr Who
BlaiseEbuth: Dr who?
MSmits: the doctor
eulerscheZahl: knock knock
who's there
doctor
eulerscheZahl: doctor who?
correct
MSmits: this is how you lure euler back into the chat
eulerscheZahl: just got online
MSmits: oh
MSmits: I thought you were just drawn to lame sci fi banter :P
eulerscheZahl: had a walk in the park, slowly feeling better again
eulerscheZahl: i know another knock knock joke
eulerscheZahl: but you have to start
MSmits: oh right, from the vaccine side effects right?
eulerscheZahl: yes
MSmits: knock knock
eulerscheZahl: who's there?
MSmits: eh me?
eulerscheZahl: that's lame
MSmits: I agree, but it's your joke so...
eulerscheZahl: my joke is leaving you clueless how to continue
MSmits: ohhhh
MSmits: i turned it around on you then
Astrobytes: Germans doing jokes eh. It's all in how they tell 'em :P
eulerscheZahl: actually knock knock jokes aren't even a thing in German
MSmits: Germans don't knock?
MSmits: kick your door in eh?
Astrobytes: Are any jokes a thing in German? :P
Wontonimo: now now
MACKEYTH: euler, is your nick wordplay around e in German?
MSmits: he can take it Wontonimo :0
Astrobytes: Hey, euler actually has a good sense of humour
eulerscheZahl: it means e
MACKEYTH: Oh, literally? Not a pun?
eulerscheZahl: it's German for Euler's number
Louzy: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f6e50664-5978-47f7-b86c-83ee64a75c15
eulerscheZahl: my lack of creativity..
BlaiseEbuth: Google say germans klopf klopf.
MACKEYTH: I wasn't sure how the -sche- part translated.
eulerscheZahl: printf(next_checkpoint_x,next_checkpoint_y, "BOOST")
MSmits: eulershce just means eulers, of euler
Astrobytes: So you don't know C Louzy?
BobLob: Has anyone experienced the enter key not working in the IDE on clash of code? It just started for me.
MSmits: euler's number I guess
eulerscheZahl: -sche just marks the possession
Wontonimo: yeah, BobLob, there is a fix for that. Play a multi like Connect 4 https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/connect-4
Louzy: Astrobytes no xd
therealbeef: don't be irrational, euler
BobLob: ok, will do. Thanks for the assist.
MACKEYTH: How many devs does it take to change a lightbulb?
Astrobytes: What languages do you know Louzy? Or you have to use C for some reason?
Louzy: I have to use C for some reason
Astrobytes: you might wanna check the documentation for printf
BlaiseEbuth: More seriously BobLob: alt+f4 then retry.
eulerscheZahl: printf("%d %d BOOST\n", checkpointX, checkpointY)
Wontonimo: you can change the language Louzy, use the dropdown at the top
eulerscheZahl: and I just undermined astro's educational approach
BobLob: I'll do that next time. The connect4 thing actually worked out :)
Astrobytes: yes but he doesn't know what the %d 's mean
Louzy: I will know
Louzy: And thanks
Astrobytes: Louzy: you will need a reasonable grasp of basic C to continue
Louzy: Thank you eulerscheZahl
Astrobytes: as in the fundamentals
Louzy: Alright will do
Astrobytes: good luck :)
Astrobytes: Right, afk for a bit
Louzy: Thank you
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. Bring me back one too!
MSmits: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-dots-and-boxes/msmits
MSmits: I got on marchetes turf I suppose, makes me more vulnerable to him, but thats ok :)
MSmits: ohh i have an idea. I should reverse the loopy heuristic when i have control
AntiSquid: some nice 100% there, what do you use ?
MSmits: nim solver + score solver + a heuristic to make the map have more loops and shorter chains
AntiSquid: loopy heuristic ? wow ... :D
MSmits: score solver has a bug too, i have to fix
MSmits: almost done, but not quite
struct: https://i.imgur.com/uPXz2lN.png
Louzy: Does anyone know if it is possible to use the thrust without placing the position of the checkpoint ?
eulerscheZahl: that's a lot of horses struct
struct: knightthrough
eulerscheZahl: is that a thing?
struct: Im using ludii
struct: to try it
struct: yes
Xascoria: j8n
struct: omg knights cant move backwards
struct: why didnt I read the rules
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
jacek: knight moves forward?
struct: L shape
struct: but cant go back
struct: so 4 moves in total
jacek: hmm, is it NNable?
struct: well
struct: its very similar to breakthrough
struct: but its knights
eulerscheZahl: i don't think that we need an extra contribution for this
jacek: lets make rookthrough
eulerscheZahl: :D
struct: thats solved jacek
struct: for white
jacek: oh? :(
struct: im sure its easy to prove
struct: euler we need more contributions where I just can recycle my mcts
eulerscheZahl: no, we need less of that kind
jacek: you mean we need to downvote one now to take some off?
eulerscheZahl: jrke started with a rubiks cube optim. i think that idea had potential to be interesting
eulerscheZahl: at least if you don't give a solvable cube. so the usual strategies won't apply and you have to get as close to solved as you can
eulerscheZahl: sadly i couldn't convince him about the impossible aspect of it :(
jacek: impossible?
eulerscheZahl: like a cube with 10 white surfaces instead of 9
Wontonimo: +1 (with 2 meanings)
martinpapa69: its crazy how effective quantization is compressing nn weights. 75% compression, no noticable accuracy loss
dbdr: 8 bits martinpapa69?
martinpapa69: ye int8. float32->int8. hence the 75%
MSmits: martinpapa69 do you train on 32 bit values and then compress, or use 8 bit during training?
martinpapa69: i train with float32
MSmits: is there any way to use 8 bit during training too?
MSmits: or would the weights not be able to change
MSmits: because of jumps that are too great
martinpapa69: ye
dbdr: yeah, I expect for training the precision helps
dbdr: you care less about speeed and not at all about size :)
MSmits: with a larger learning rate you might be able to solve this problem
dbdr: but what benefit? well I guess it's easier conceptually
MSmits: well at least it's "what you train is what you get"
MSmits: if you compress after, you cant be sure
martinpapa69: basically thats the case with compression too
MSmits: thats what i mean
martinpapa69: there is a rly good vid about it
MSmits: if you compress you cant be sure the bot you trained is the bot you're using
martinpapa69: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jBmqY_aFwE
MSmits: oh nice, favoriting this
RoboStac: are you only using 8bit for transferring to cg or do you do the int maths too?
martinpapa69: only transfer atm. quantized inference looks a bit complicated at first look
MSmits: well i figured out what half my losses vs marchete were about. I was ignoring these objects in my score solver: https://imgur.com/a/gwfTiMe
MSmits: of course only Marchete makes those...
MSmits: so i got solved scores of 86
dbdr: :D
RoboStac: the stockfish article is the best I've seen at showing quanitized inference doesn't have to be as complicated as some articles suggest
RoboStac: I don't do exactly what they do but it helped a lot
martinpapa69: how big speedup did you achieve with that ?
RoboStac: it's about double for inference speed compared to what I had before
martinpapa69: wow thats nice
martinpapa69: this one is the article you mentioned ?
martinpapa69: https://github.com/glinscott/nnue-pytorch/blob/master/docs/nnue.md
RoboStac: yep
AllYourTrees: robo what kind of nn structure are you using in C4? also do you have mcts solver in your nn mcts implementation?
AllYourTrees: im unsure what to do next for C4. at the point where im just fiddling with hyperparamters which i hate
struct: paramaters o.o
struct: I only have 1
AllYourTrees: for training a NN
AllYourTrees: mcts params, learning params, replay buffer params, neural network structure params, noise params
AllYourTrees: so annoying
AllYourTrees: I WANT MY DANG FREE LUNCH
struct: you have NN?
AllYourTrees: yeah but i must be doing something wrong lol, haven't been able to break into top 10 yet
dbdr: are you using cgzero?
AllYourTrees: nope custom
AllYourTrees: so entirely likely that there are bugs
AllYourTrees: have a pretty small nn, not sure if thats the issue or something else
jacek: one hots?
AllYourTrees: nope just 63 floats
AllYourTrees: i tried one hots but didn't make that much of a difference
AllYourTrees: used to have conv, but implementation was slower than just straight linear
MSmits: all bugs solved, all WR green: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-dots-and-boxes/msmits On to a different project now
Astrobytes: gratz MSmits
MSmits: thanks
Astrobytes: What's next?
MSmits: my oware project I was thinking
Uljahn: MSmits: gratz, what was the approach?
dbdr: gg MSmits, nice lead!
dbdr: are you beating mikkla >50%?
MSmits: thanks, the approach is as follows
MSmits: yes dbdr, seems so, barely over 50%
MSmits: if i dont have anything else to do, i use loopy heuristic
MSmits: to make the map loopy
MSmits: i try to nim solve every turn
MSmits: if thats done, I try to score solve
MSmits: if i nimsolved and not yet score solved, then if i win the nimgame, i play a anti-loopy move and if i lose the nimfame i play a loopy move
MSmits: nim game, not nim fame :P
dbdr: solve nim, get famous!
Uljahn: thx
MSmits: hehe yeah
struct: now do it again on clobber
struct: :)
jacek: oO
struct: im just trying to keep him away from bt
Astrobytes: :D
jacek: he cant do much with math in bt
eulerscheZahl: it's all nice and fun until he plays a game that I won't mention by name
jacek: onitama?
eulerscheZahl: not that
jacek: Y?
eulerscheZahl: one that he hasn't played yet
jacek: :notebook:
struct: DD?
eulerscheZahl: no idea what that even is
Astrobytes: TryAngle Catch?
struct: dice duel
eulerscheZahl: oh :D
Astrobytes: oh
Astrobytes: Didn't get it either lol
jacek: :game_die:
eulerscheZahl: obviously i don't want him to play a game where i have a high rank :zipper_mouth:
FalINTOblivion0112: my clash of code is going down
struct: well you are high rank in a lot of games
dbdr: MSmits, just stop playing games then :D
dbdr: ezpz
eulerscheZahl: but only 1 where i'm at the top
jacek: realm?
eulerscheZahl: mostly because no one gave much attention to it
Astrobytes: cotr
Astrobytes: 1v1
eulerscheZahl: code of the ring?
Astrobytes: realm
eulerscheZahl: just don't play that one smits
eulerscheZahl: or you other evil guys who are no fun to fight against
Astrobytes: *everyone* starts playing CotR immediately
eulerscheZahl: that's not how it works
dbdr: is 1v1 that different?
eulerscheZahl: i haven't tried the 4 player version for more than 1h
Astrobytes: It should have been one or the other tbh
Astrobytes: not both
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. There's less players in 1v1.
eulerscheZahl: just a port of my 1 vs 1 with some features removed as i couldn't easily make them work
jacek: hmm why there is something about bronze when there is no bronze league
eulerscheZahl: i agree: should not be 2 different games
eulerscheZahl: and has some graphics glitches
eulerscheZahl: tryangle catch also mentions bronze in the rules
eulerscheZahl: i couldn't be bothered changing it when reality struck me
_Royale: martinpapa69: thank you for the video link about quantization
jacek: so its a lie, who approved that!?
eulerscheZahl: you didn't. Judas!
Astrobytes: Burn the traitor.
BlaiseEbuth: No. Stop polluting when there's clean ways to kill people. :rage:
MSmits: I'll do oware guys. Was tempted to try to do math in clobber, but I want to do something else first
MSmits: have to finish NN projects, 3 weeks of vacation left
eulerscheZahl: i tolerate both oware and clobber
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: tolerate?
martinpapa69: you're welcome _Royale
eulerscheZahl: as in: allow without intervention?
Astrobytes: You have Toad Approval to play those MSmits
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: got it :)
eulerscheZahl: otherwise i would have to create and release a new game that gets you hooked
MSmits: no more euler, I have a lot of your stuff I have yet to try
eulerscheZahl: i finally hardcoded CGFunge yesterday
MSmits: unless it's better than whats already on my euler-list
dbdr: something bookable and mathy
dbdr: what/s your score eulerscheZahl?
BlaiseEbuth: A toado list ?
eulerscheZahl: 5.9k
MSmits: 6th, not bad
eulerscheZahl: once i lost my column and was too lazy to delete half of it to repair my mistake
MSmits: dbdr, there's a cat above you on funge
jacek: dbdr, hows france
eulerscheZahl: the end is a bit chaotic, going in spirals
MSmits: columns, spirals?
dbdr: 2d programming
eulerscheZahl: obviously it's not about primes at the top
MSmits: is this not the prime number thingy?
MSmits: oh ok
eulerscheZahl: hardcoding validators. binary search
MSmits: the guy that beat you at cg funch is lvl 4 dbdr
eulerscheZahl: wrote code to find a good tree. and then placed it in the grid by hand
dbdr: I know. but great at optim
dbdr: did a few
eulerscheZahl: that guy is also very high at number shifting
MSmits: oh I see
eulerscheZahl: was first before marchete won the game
MSmits: oh yeah thats really good then
MSmits: that marchete really has a habit of coming out of nowhere
eulerscheZahl: just not in contests
MSmits: true
jacek:
MSmits: who won the FB copy?
struct: time to make a bot for all popular abstract games so I can get ready for next contest
eulerscheZahl: still running
MSmits: oh really
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/sogeti-codefest-2021/leaderboard/global
eulerscheZahl: 2 more days
struct: pb4 is first with his bot that is rank 8 on fb
eulerscheZahl: and not even using spells
MSmits: well it is rank 8 on fb because other bots use spells
struct: yeah
struct: maybe dapo ran has a bot ready
Astrobytes: I would assume so
dbdr: pb4 walked but dapo ran
MSmits: there have been FB copies before
MSmits: did he participate then/
MSmits: or am i confused with that weird ghostbuster game
struct: I dont think there was a copy
MSmits: ah ye, then it was the ghostbuster game
dbdr: there was a kind of football game once
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/dreignier/fantastic-bits/blob/master/fantastic-bits.cpp
BlaiseEbuth: FowBuster
eulerscheZahl: oh, that's what you mean with "copy"
MSmits: a sponsored contest
MSmits: there have been multiple csb copies right?
eulerscheZahl: afaik the 3 day soccer contest was the only one reusing the FB engine until now
BlaiseEbuth: FootBall
dbdr: it was only 3 days?
dbdr: I did that on from scratch in java :D
eulerscheZahl: maybe 4. at least short
reCurse: Yeah it was ridiculous
eulerscheZahl: CSB had that "capture the flag" version
Astrobytes: There was another soccer-like semi-private, but was more like CSB
eulerscheZahl: and the recent one with only 1 pod and 360° angle
BlaiseEbuth: SofiaLab
eulerscheZahl: what did I miss Astrobytes?
eulerscheZahl: soccer CSB?
reCurse: CTF
dbdr: Coders Stike the Ball
reCurse: Decathlon was FB
MSmits: oh so there was a FB copy before?
struct: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/hackathlon/leaderboard/global
Astrobytes: Yeah, my bad, the Thales CTF one
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/hackathlon/leaderboard/global
eulerscheZahl: damn you struct
reCurse: The real tragedy is the semi-private amadeus game with planets that didn't have a close equivalent
MSmits: gitc
Astrobytes: Yeah, that was a damn fine game
reCurse: NO
reCurse: MSmits: :door:
MSmits: it looked like gitc :P
struct: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/amadeus-challenge/leaderboard/global
struct: this one?
MSmits: i know it was way different in mechanics
eulerscheZahl: yes
Astrobytes: yep
BlaiseEbuth: in Perl you bless reference, here toad damn struct...
eulerscheZahl: that was an original idea. and the only semi-private contest that I played
MSmits: thats the one where they called me to ask me to apply for a job :P
struct: gitc?
eulerscheZahl: i remember
eulerscheZahl: and you didn't want to move to the UK
MSmits: ye
BlaiseEbuth: Seems reasonable
Astrobytes: Who would!
dbdr: someone has the decathlon URL?
eulerscheZahl: scroll up
struct: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/hackathlon/leaderboard/global
BlaiseEbuth: www.decathlon.com
Astrobytes: Thales CTF one here btw:
https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/contests/thales-2018/global
dbdr: ah yes, that's the one, thanks Astrobytes!
eulerscheZahl: before that thales-2018 contest I shared a leaderboard on the forum with the exact same game
eulerscheZahl: CG reacted by taking that leaderboard offline. So I know what game to expect :D
MSmits: funny
Astrobytes: hehehe
struct: time to take a break
struct: cya all next contest or not if its not a multi
AllYourTrees: :wave:
skinz11: HELLO
eulerscheZahl: oh, that sounds like a long break. even if it's a real contest, it will be around November :o
eulerscheZahl: farewell struct :(
Astrobytes: whaaaat, come back soon struct
reCurse: How do you know it's november
eulerscheZahl: just guessing. was november last year and with 2 contests per year i think it will be around the same time
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1ifw06f
continue the sequence
reCurse: Hm
Louzy: Where shall i find the tips for Coders Strike Back
Louzy: ?
FalINTOblivion0112: i am legit beating my own programming teacher at clash of code
FalINTOblivion0112: my ranking is higher
struct: I need the break
struct: might not be that long
struct: But I feel like im way too invested on cg
AllYourTrees: balance is good
eulerscheZahl: no accusation. if you need the break, take it
eulerscheZahl: i don't want an exhausted struct who keeps going until the big mental breakdown
reCurse: Did you try deleting your account
eulerscheZahl: just saying that we will miss you while you are on leave
eulerscheZahl: even more as a chatter than as a competitor
struct: to soon recurse :)
struct: I need to wait until contest anoucement
eulerscheZahl: i'm prepared for the worst
eulerscheZahl: is it still called disappointment if you expect the worst case scenario to happen already?
AllYourTrees: yeah you're just disappointed for much longer
struct: well you know you were right all along
eulerscheZahl: i announced an escape room contest even before the spring one started
eulerscheZahl: remember my words
Astrobytes: Pessismism has always worked for me. I'm never disappointed ;)
Astrobytes: But yeah struct, take regular breaks, don't want a real long one like last time. Look after that brain :)
struct: yeah, thank you all, and see you all soon
AllYourTrees: gl!!!
Astrobytes: Take care man, see ya later
jacek: another one bites the dust
jacek: rebless lost due to chess, blaise lost mod rights... who else?
FalINTOblivion0112: we will miss you struct
FalINTOblivion0112: blaise lost mod rights what was the exact reason tho
Astrobytes: Why isn't there a sin bin or a naughty step that we can use for jacek
jacek: hm?
Astrobytes: FalINTOblivion0112: If Blaise wants to tell you he will. It's not our job to tell you.
jacek: i bet he wanted his dignity back
jacek: :smirk:
reCurse: If that bin existed we could just lock it and forget the key
FalINTOblivion0112: oh okay
FalINTOblivion0112: thanks artrobytes
FalINTOblivion0112: uhhh i cant type today lol
Astrobytes: reCurse :)
jacek: :scream:
eulerscheZahl: i get the naughty step. but a sin bin? never heard about that and not sure what to imagine there
eulerscheZahl: a bin big enough to put someone inside?
Astrobytes: It's like a box or a special bench where you get put for fouls in some sports
eulerscheZahl: ah
eulerscheZahl: the 2 min penalty time
eulerscheZahl: codejam gives you 4 just for a bad submit
Astrobytes: Ice hockey, rugby etc
reCurse: That would lock out half of the 5%
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: ice hockey was my first thought after your explanation
Astrobytes: Fun game, I don't mind watching that actually, after going to a few matches in Sweden
reCurse: It's the only sport I can tolerate watching
eulerscheZahl: i never see the puck
jacek: thats a bold statement from a canadian
Astrobytes: Yeah, I'm pretty much with you on that reCurse. I can watch rugby sometimes.
eulerscheZahl: i prefer doing sports myself over watching
FalINTOblivion0112: i agree
FalINTOblivion0112: i love basketball but i dont really watch basketball
eulerscheZahl: even missed the game where Germany won the soccer world championship
eulerscheZahl: to my defense: i didn't really care and it started at 9pm
eulerscheZahl: talking about the time...
good night, see you
jacek: soccer?
KiwiTae: struct byebye :D come back to us soon
jacek: and youre from germany!?
Astrobytes: gn euler
Astrobytes: Ille top 5 in Sogeti
jacek: good for him
reCurse: Where's the country police when you need it
jacek: cavalry brigade?
jacek: martinpapa69 is this some bot autosubmit?
martinpapa69: nah, i just submit a lot
Astrobytes: watch out for that limit
martinpapa69: when i play on cg i play 0-24, than im gone for half a year
Astrobytes: :)
FalINTOblivion0112: imagine me coming back on here 10 years later when im a grown up
reCurse: So you're like the CG swallow
jacek: when i take longer breaks, then i make some breakthrough
Astrobytes: Well, he is a martin ;)
jacek: (not to confuse with that game)
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mghhLqu31cQ
jacek:
Astrobytes: (swallows and martins are both Hirundinidae)
jacek: :thinking:
Astrobytes: Similar type of bird
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. But european or african ones ?
jacek: yes
Astrobytes: I refer to European but they're all related
martinpapa69: wow i didnt know that there are birds with name "martin"
Astrobytes: Now you know :)
**BlaiseEbuth start hitting coconuts and flee away from Astrobytes who didn't get the ref.
Astrobytes: That one 'flew over my head' BlaiseEbuth
jacek: ref? like &
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIlW-ovx0Y
Astrobytes: Back in your box jacek.
jacek: youre jealous of my box, cat
Astrobytes: AH ofc BlaiseEbuth
BlaiseEbuth: I'm dead, just looking at this... :rofl:
Astrobytes: Classic stuff :D
alex1272162: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/Y6O-o9S-GzK-xKv
alex1272162: join
Astrobytes: No.
jacek: :upside_down:
alex1272162: pls
BlaiseEbuth: Mods these days...
alex1272162: plsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplsplspls
alex1272162: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/Y6O-o9S-GzK-xKv
FalINTOblivion0112: huh?
alex1272162: join
BlaiseEbuth: AstroBan !
alex1272162: huh
alex1272162: whats that for
martinpapa69: AstroBahn. a german railway into the sky
FalINTOblivion0112: yes
FalINTOblivion0112: very much yes
alex1272162: ok
alex1272162: pls just join
DmytroZerbino: hi guys. has anybody done "Bender - Episode 1"? how to deal with loops:grimacing:
Astrobytes: There's a channel on the discord where you can request participants
Astrobytes: alex1272162
jacek: any channels on celestia?
Astrobytes: Stop spamming the chat alex1272162 or you'll get kicked, then banned
Astrobytes: martinpapa69 :D
dbdr: great name!
jacek: dbdr how do you like eiffell tower
dbdr: french people don't like it as much as foreigners do ;)
reCurse: Do french people like something?
dbdr: :D
Astrobytes: Complaining
BlaiseEbuth: Themself
MichaelOverhorst: croissants. :P
Astrobytes: Complaining is the national pasttime
Astrobytes: *pastime
ANONYMOUS42: I live 40 minutes from the tower
ANONYMOUS42: but i only went there like twice
ANONYMOUS42: kinda boring ngl
jacek: hmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
BlaiseEbuth: Same. 40 minutes with a jet
dbdr: I like that new protocol
jacek: :s
FalINTOblivion0112: did you know that ';' is a thing in python
Astrobytes: I lived in London for 17 or so years and never went to Buckingham Palace or half the other tourist places
reCurse: That syndrome is mostly for japanese I think
Astrobytes: Yes FalINTOblivion0112
ANONYMOUS42: look at this guy not knowing that ; is a thing in python
reCurse: Because they have some sort of extremely idealized version of it that's somehow popular
ANONYMOUS42: amirite guys
ANONYMOUS42: it's just full of scammers lmao
jacek: dont we all
Astrobytes: No.
jacek: oh
Astrobytes: I mean, Paris is full of Parisians for starters :P
reCurse: I thought Paris was pretty aggressive on the tourist scammers
TBali: Is Stockholm syndrome the same with visiting Sweden?
reCurse: And then I visited Rome
jacek: oO
ANONYMOUS42: no it's when the victims start to romanticize their abusers
Astrobytes: Never visited Rome (or Italy for that matter)
reCurse: Probably the most tourist-aggressive place I've ever been to
FalINTOblivion0112: wut really
FalINTOblivion0112: i have been to italy when i was like 6
Astrobytes: TBali nah, Sweden is an amazing place to visit
FalINTOblivion0112: sweden?
Astrobytes: Yes. A Scandinavian country. You may have heard of it.
reCurse: It's a cool place in all meanings
jacek: ill visit it next time i get a nobel prize
Astrobytes: Summertimes are nice and warm though. But it's hell trying to sleep.
reCurse: Warm?
reCurse: Oh right you're from scotland nvm
reCurse: I didn't say anything
TBali: beware, you can get brännvin syndrome there
jacek: and you are from...
ANONYMOUS42: I refuse to take nobel's blood money
reCurse: From a place where summers get a lot warmer than both those places
Astrobytes: reCurse: I lived in London when I went to Sweden in the summer, and we were having 36C in London
reCurse: Ok so there's no way you can say Sweden is warm then lol
Astrobytes: It was warmer than I expected. Pushing 30
reCurse: That sounds rather exceptional
Astrobytes: Not really. Depends where you are though.
reCurse: Not in my experience
TBali: 30F
Astrobytes: Actually I think you're right. IT was only that one time it was warm, otherwise it was 20-25C
reCurse: Exactly
reCurse: And that was for a month tops if you're lucky
Astrobytes: 2 weeks usually :D
reCurse: Yup
reCurse: And more in spring than summer
Astrobytes: Yeah for sure
reCurse: I did enjoy the super long days though
reCurse: Felt surreal
Astrobytes: Same in Scotland, late spring early summer is summer, then it's over
Astrobytes: Yeah it's pretty weird, had so much trouble sleeping at first but you get used to it soon enough
reCurse: I remember going back from a party at around 3-4am and it was literally same lighting as late dusk
reCurse: Heard winters get pretty depressing though, glad I didn't stay then
Astrobytes: lol, in Örebro it started getting light at not long before 1am. After 1am it was essentially daytime :D
reCurse: Oh boy
Astrobytes: Got dark about 11 :D
Astrobytes: Winters aren't toooo bad tbh. If you're having a s**t time of things it can be a bit depressing but it's just something you get used to
leojean890: never went there hehe ^^I prefer going to Guadeloupe at my grandparent's during winter :P
reCurse: I already have a tough time with the lack of daylight here in the middle of winter, so I could see how worse it gets
leojean890: not fan of cold :P
boterham: can somebody help me?
Astrobytes: leojean890: lol, don't get me wrong, Guadeloupe would be my first choice if I went by ideal climate :D
MSmits: I like our climate
MSmits: most of the year no air conditioning needed
boterham: can somebody help me with coding a AI
Astrobytes: That should be changing soon MSmits
MSmits: how so
Astrobytes: Uhm
leojean890: Astrobytes hehe :) some people like Norway for example for "aurores boreales" (how to say that in english xD)
TBali: These tales of such long days and nights sounds like heresy. How would it be possible as the Earth is flat?
Astrobytes: "aurora borealis" :D
MSmits: if you're referring to global warming it is not soon and when it happens, as far as i know, my country will freeze instead :P
FalINTOblivion0112: where are you?
MSmits: Netherlands
FalINTOblivion0112: oh
leojean890: long days and nights I wouldn't like much :P
Astrobytes: TBali :rofl:
leojean890: tried that in Norway in summer (night during 3h)
MSmits: TBali it is because when you are closer to the ice wall, the sun is visible for a shorter amount of time
MSmits: you know, the icewall that is around the earth disk
Astrobytes: Yeah was like that where I was in Sweden for a few weeks leojean890
Astrobytes: MSmits: Not soon?
leojean890: I see^^I tried that in 2013 :)
leojean890: summer only for the moment :P
MSmits: soon in geographical timescales
MSmits: not soon as in I'll live to see it
Astrobytes: You're already seeing it surely
MACKEYTH: Tell that to Oregon, MSmits
MSmits: whats happening in Oregon
TBali: so global warming means ice on the rim will melt, and all these water will pour on poor elephants?
Astrobytes: Have you not seen the incredible heat across the North Americas and Canada?
MSmits: Astrobytes we were talking about my entire countries yearly climate changing to a degree noticable by me
MACKEYTH: Record-destroying heat wave. Beat the maximum recorded temps by 10 deg F for weeks
MSmits: that is not happening soon
MSmits: i dont mean measurable by scientists. Of course it's measurable
Astrobytes: Oh. Ours is.
MSmits: people tend to confuse yearly fluctuations with global warming. The yearly fluctuations are larger than the overall trend.
MSmits: but the overall trend is of course measurable
MSmits: but whenever theres a hot summer it's "global warming"
Astrobytes: I'm not a stranger to the scientific method.
MSmits: that's nonsense
TBali: global warming is not just about extreme records, but more about the increase of yearly average, no?
MSmits: yes TBali
Astrobytes: No, not about hot summers. About regular extremes.
MSmits: we're having a very mild and rainy summer this year
MSmits: well the rain is not mild
MSmits: the temperature is though
TBali: but there is a perception bias for recent events as well.
MSmits: massive flooding in our most southern province and in Germany too
MSmits: but i have no idea if you can attribute that to global warming. People tend to do that with everything
TBali: In my childhood there were also extreme weather every year.
I more believe in long term measured trends then headlines
Astrobytes: We are getting warmer and wetter, extreme rainfall and flooding are on the increase in most of the UK. That trend has been continuing for the past what, decade? Maybe more.
MSmits: wetter here maybe, not sure
MSmits: warmer, i dont know. I thought so, except for the last 2 years
TBali: 2 year do not count. Decade yes
MSmits: yeah but my personal experience is too inaccurate to mean anything
Astrobytes: My town is gonna rip down a huge amount of trees to build a wall around our burn (small river) for flood protection and is currently installing additional piping for the water drainage.
MACKEYTH: Granted, no individual weather event is evidence of climate change by itself, but extreme events are occurring with greater frequency
Astrobytes: Yes. You have to look globally.
MSmits: sure, but it's different all over the world
Astrobytes: Different?
MSmits: it is entirely possible that some regions get more stable due to global warming
MSmits: even if most do not
MSmits: some places could get improved weather conditions
Astrobytes: The unexpected thing was the North Americas and Canada being hit so bad with the heat, this was predicted for other areas.
TBali: global warming might evne result that one region microclimate actually becomes colder
therealbeef: global warming is the perfect enemy; intangible, undefeatable, never ending. yet you can blame everything on it, and use it to push through any policy. better than wars. </cynicism>
MSmits: many forest fires i hear
MSmits: therealbeef first half of what you say is true
MSmits: but it's almost impossible to push through any policy
MSmits: because it is intanglible
Astrobytes: therealbeef: What? In my country they try their best to ignore it.
reCurse: So like covid?
MSmits: it just doesn't draw the votes as well as any other issue
Astrobytes: Yeah, quite.
therealbeef: covid ends
MSmits: like covid does for example, covid draws the votes
Astrobytes: I'm currently sick and am waiting on my tests arriving.
MSmits: climate change is low priority for most people :(
reCurse: covid ends?
TBali: it must
MSmits: Astrobytes did you not already have covid before?
MSmits: covid will not end, it will change only
Astrobytes: It's happening far faster than they predicted MSmits. And since absolutely nothing is being done about it, it will get worse sooner rather than later.
MSmits: yes, that is exactly what will happen
Astrobytes: MSmits: Yes. It is 100% possible to get it again.
MSmits: and when it does, the emphasis will still be on fighting the symptoms
MSmits: instead of the cause
RuderLaplace: Greetings.
Astrobytes: Even with full vax it's possible to get it.
MSmits: i know
MSmits: chances are just lower, especially when you're not around too many people
MSmits: i see you on CG a lot so...
Astrobytes: I try to limit my contact but I still have to go out and about
MSmits: well i guess you could be chatting on CG at a party
Astrobytes: And there are many, many maskless people
MSmits: on a phone
Astrobytes: No. Fk that :D
MSmits: I think it's very hard to pick up covid when getting groceries tbh
KiwiTae: i did go to ktv while doing code of kutulu
Astrobytes: You haven't been to my local supermarket
MSmits: i hold my breath whenever someone is within 6 feet and use the scanning device when paying
TBali: beware CG is infectious. I was exposed shortly and can't get rid of it for 2 years now
MSmits: so i dont have any interaction
TBali: zero interaction? hard to acomplish
Astrobytes: We have a lot of empty shelves and a lot of angry people, that doesn't help (did someone say Brexit? :D )
MSmits: i dont think there's a risk of getting it from touching stuff. Or at least it's very near 0
MSmits: oh
MSmits: is this from brexit?
Astrobytes: Yes.
MSmits: did not know it was so noticable in daily life
TBali: empty shelves? really? in UK?
Astrobytes: Yes.
TBali: It is not the Soviet Union
Astrobytes: We import almost everything.
MSmits: what a dumb move was that
TBali: Why empty. It would be just a bit more expensive because of extra taxes, sutiesn no?
MSmits: very self destructive
TBali: =duties
Astrobytes: So many crops are not harvested because we expelled or disallowed all the migrant workers that picked the veggies and fruits
Astrobytes: EU rules
dbdr: brexit was pretty clever (from the point of view of putin)
Astrobytes: UK disobeying
Astrobytes: dbdr: Yes. The plan has come together very well
MSmits: wait so they brexited and then broke the rules also?
MSmits: way to make it worse..
Astrobytes: Yes. Northern Ireland protocol for a start.
Astrobytes: Anyway. Let's drop the politics
MSmits: sure
MSmits: well this time it was not so bad since we were in agreement :P
Astrobytes: hehehe
TBali: I am quite surprised on the empty shelves aspect. Wouldn't have thought
MSmits: i am adapting my D&B solver to solve smaller versions of the game. It's pretty easy
MSmits: want to compare solve times with those in the papers
dbdr: do you need a food package Astrobytes? ;)
TBali: play a bit Code a la Mode
MSmits: cool
MSmits: if you're playing with my bot
MSmits: take the damn plate !
Illedan: Hi
dbdr: lol MSmits
Astrobytes: TBali: there are trucks that can't pick up from farms more than once a week. They used to have pickups every day. 3-5 day shelf life on the veg-fruits. Go figure.
Astrobytes: dbdr: I'm good for now :D
dbdr: good. if that changes tell us ;)
MSmits: I got 2 months worth of powder
MSmits: just remember, mix with water, don't snort through nose
MSmits: thats another kind of powder
jacek: oO
jacek: that would explain the d&b progress
MSmits: lol
dbdr: what powder is that?
MSmits: for food shakes
MSmits: https://nl.jimmyjoy.com/
jacek: https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2012/9/12/96684.jpg
MSmits: btw the guy who runs the company is an ex-drugdealer
MSmits: so not that far from the truth jacek
TBali: what, more money in this stuff than what he traded earlier?
MSmits: i think he just went around party selling ecstacy pills
MSmits: but the company he has now supplies all around Europe
Astrobytes: *ecstasy
FalINTOblivion0112: yes
MSmits: sorry, i never used it so i dont know how to spell it :P
TBali: X Stasi
Astrobytes: I've done a lot. Finished with that, was fantastic.
MSmits: maybe you bought his stuff too then
Astrobytes: Not at parties in NL
MSmits: ahh ok
Astrobytes: And you never buy in parties.
TBali: not my world, not my stuff
Astrobytes: Anyway, moving on.
Illedan: How did you guys end in this kinda discussion? xD
TBali: global warming is to blame
MSmits: wait, you were just going to tell us how to get our pills Astrobytes
Astrobytes: TBAli: well played sir :D
Astrobytes: That is left as an exercise to the reader MSmits
MSmits: I see
TBali: qed
jacek: oO
Astrobytes: lol, the endless submits of martinpapa69 continue :P
Illedan: Where?
Astrobytes: Guess :P
Illedan: Sogeti?
PebblesN: good morning everyone from Viet Nam
Astrobytes: Oware!
Illedan: ok
Illedan: So last year
Astrobytes: grats on top 5 btw Illedan
reCurse: Illedan the sogeti country police wants to speak with you
Astrobytes: Usual GA or did you get all fancy NN on us?
Astrobytes: heh heh heh
MSmits: ohh is illedan being an illegal alien?
Illedan: I have trained my NN for so damn many hours and I still can't make it converge to something reasonable :P
reCurse: I did say NN on FB was a bad idea
Astrobytes: :grin:
Wontonimo: it's divergent, burn it!
Illedan: I just wanted the movement reCurse
Illedan: This game is far simpler than FB
MSmits: does anyone remember if 2x2 was solved as 3-1 or as 1-3 ?
Illedan: because the spell is less strong
martinpapa69: thats how i monitor my training progress Astrobytes, no cpu capacity for pitting
Illedan: *weaker
Astrobytes: All good martinpapa69, for games I don't have a local runner for it's how I test anything since the new IDE play restrictions :D
Illedan: BUt that damn bludger is too stronk
Wontonimo: i miss the score arrows on the full leader board
jacek: hm? the score arrows are there
Illedan: Not on Sogeti
Wontonimo: yeah, if you watch around scores that are computing , you'll see the neighbours that are modified up or down have an up or down arrow beside them
Wontonimo: now you only see an arrow for the computing bot
jacek: martinpapa69 you pit every generation on leaderboard?
martinpapa69: i just submit time to time during training. i have new "generation" every few minutes
Illedan: Test it offline?
martinpapa69: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f534631a-9edd-478d-9986-bf13497029a8
martinpapa69: zero bs
martinpapa69: but for some reason it diverges. it reaches a peak
martinpapa69: than it goes down
Illedan: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
martinpapa69: and i think i find the reason: too big LR
Illedan: I do action selection based on a changing env in sim, but not when picking the actual move -.-
jacek: martinpapa69 or too small buffer?
AllYourTrees: martin i have that same issue
martinpapa69: ye, i increased the buffer size too as well a bit
martinpapa69: still only 400 replays every generation
AllYourTrees: though im running with a bigger network now and it doesn't appear to have same issue?
AllYourTrees: whats your network size
martinpapa69: 374, 128, 64, 64......
AllYourTrees: hmm that seems decent, is that for oware?
martinpapa69: yep
martinpapa69: thats the max i can fit atm
martinpapa69: my quantization is not working well atm
martinpapa69: with that i can fit 374, 256, 128
martinpapa69: idk if its necessary tho
AllYourTrees: hmm
jacek: 374 isnt divisable by 4 eh
AllYourTrees: i think you want divisible by 8, but yeah
martinpapa69: ye, lame, i should add some random features
jacek: and here i am with 192x16 -> value only
martinpapa69: like temperature outside, my mood in a skale from 0 to 8
jacek: oh you meant the possible inputs?
jacek: i thought it was hidden nodes
martinpapa69: 374 : my input size
jacek: but 14 'ones' :?
AllYourTrees: does your NN library auto avx stuff for you?
martinpapa69: 12 + 2 onehot, ye
martinpapa69: my " nn lib" is like 30 lines. only dense layer
martinpapa69: idk if it gets autovectorized
martinpapa69: i want to move to quantization
martinpapa69: Robo told me about this great article:
martinpapa69: https://github.com/glinscott/nnue-pytorch/blob/master/docs/nnue.md
Peterpanda: can anyone here give me some pointers on what is the most space efficient way to include binary data in c++ source code? so far i'm looking at base64/base85. is there anything better/close to 1:1?
martinpapa69: i use this
martinpapa69: https://github.com/JDanielSmith/Base16k
Peterpanda: what would be the encoding ratio?
Peterpanda: (e.g. for base64 3:4, base85 4:5)
martinpapa69: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9a1d0aa2-8632-4aa3-9068-032e1475b054
martinpapa69: ahh nice pasta
martinpapa69: 6/5 i think. at least he preallocates a 6/5 * originalsize buffer
AllYourTrees: whats a site you can use to test your source code size
Astrobytes: Do it in the codegolf on here
AllYourTrees: ?
martinpapa69: https://www.charactercountonline.com/
Astrobytes: Any of the code golf puzzles, it'll give you a count
Astrobytes: Just paste it into the IDE
AllYourTrees: got it ty!
Astrobytes: :+1:
MSmits: tested my solver on smaller D&B boards
MSmits: 2x2 uses about 50 microseconds
MSmits: 3x3 uses about 0,1 seconds
MSmits: 3x4 50 seconds
MSmits: havent tried 4x4 as it will be hours
MSmits: I verified the results for 2x2 (3-1, win for p1) and 3x3 (3-6, win for p2)
MSmits: is there a table somewhere?
MSmits: mmh got it down to 8 seconds for 3x4 but the paper does this in 1.5 seconds
MSmits: I will try the depth priority thingy for hashing. You said this will help right Astrobytes?
MSmits: preferring low depth results to be stored
Astrobytes: You'll have to experiment with a replacement strategy to find what works the best
MSmits: so far i just always replace something if necessary
Astrobytes: Half the fun is the experimentation
Astrobytes: So much for "done with D&B" :D
FalINTOblivion0112: D&B?
FalINTOblivion0112: Drum n' Bass
FalINTOblivion0112: I like Drum and Bass songs on NCS
MSmits: well i am still kinda done. But this is such an easy thing to do. The solver is there, I just wanted to compare with the "professional" solver from the paper :P
Astrobytes: Not that DnB FalINTOblivion0112 :)
FalINTOblivion0112: oh lol
martinpapa69: Dudes 'n' Babes
Astrobytes: Diapers and Babies
Ezyh: hey
Ezyh: whatsup guys
Wontonimo: Diapers and Babies i guess
Wontonimo: you got either?
Wontonimo: when are scores recalculated?
Wontonimo: for global leaderboard, or is that down until friday also?
MSmits: meh with depth preference still 8 seconds
MSmits: I guess i can use symmetry
Ezyh: I got a pfp now
Ezyh: wait why's it not showing here ._.
MSmits: no diapers and babies here
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: Not these days thankfully, I raised two of my sisters kids from babies though
Ezyh: there, now its showing
Ezyh: astro you're a good man
Astrobytes: I have 'experience'
MSmits: that he is
Ezyh: I plan on being a badass uncle too when I grow up
Ezyh: teach my nephews the ways n shizz
Ezyh: you know
Astrobytes: It's the only kinda way to be an uncle
Ezyh: yeh man, ima make sure they get what I didn't have
Ezyh: what y'all think about this website tho
Ezyh: is it good for learning stuff
Ezyh: I just got here
FalINTOblivion0112: this website has become my life
Ezyh: ow yeh
Ezyh: want tell us why that is
Astrobytes: Hm. Learning algorithms and techniques for sure, for the basics not so much
Ezyh: like, you learn a lot, or is it fun, or is it the community
Ezyh: I see
MSmits: community is cool too
Astrobytes: You can learn a *lot*
Ezyh: yeh I been coding for about a week, I learnt most of the basics
Astrobytes: Time + engagement + self-learning
MSmits: and fun is a personal thing. People do different things on CG
Ezyh: astro, what's that little thing next to your name
Ezyh: circle thing
MSmits: his superpower
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: Moderator badge, nothing special
Ezyh: damn nice
AntiSquid: pokeball
Ezyh: btw, idk if any of y'all here lift
MSmits: I lifted my glass just now
Ezyh: but I hit a 175kg squat today
Ezyh: I'm proud of myself lol
MSmits: nice one
AntiSquid: when world championship ?
Ezyh: goal is 180 kg (400lb)
AntiSquid: fake abalone got approved is it any fun ?
Astrobytes: Fake Abalone?
Ezyh: never heard of it
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/abalone i can't stand real abalone (the sea citter) :P
Astrobytes: Oh right, lol. Abalones are nice sliced real thin
MSmits: with a Japanese chef knife
Ezyh: :sunglasses:
MSmits: I clicked on a video about these when i was bored
Astrobytes: *a very sharp knife
AntiSquid: japanese black smith damascus knife
Astrobytes: I have a japanese carving knife
AntiSquid: i wouldn't like to be near it regardless of how thin it's sliced
Ezyh: damn nice
Ezyh: my bro got me a butterfly knife lol to practice
MSmits: you're allergic AntiSquid ?
AntiSquid: i find it gross
MSmits: oh
Astrobytes: I don't think butterfly knives would do you any good in a pro kitchen Ezyh. The chefs would overpower you in seconds
MSmits: does anyone here know how to rotate bitboards cheaply?
MSmits: for symmetry reasons
Astrobytes: rotateBitboard(uint64_t& b)
MSmits: I always have these super expensive ways
MSmits: lol
Ezyh: am I the only one who sees your writing as red?
Ezyh: and uh, its just for fun lol
MSmits: Ezyh
Astrobytes: Yes, if I tag you by using your name
MSmits: notice
martinpapa69: first thing i found on google
Ezyh: I like cool shizz
martinpapa69: https://www.chessprogramming.org/Flipping_Mirroring_and_Rotating
martinpapa69: looks nice tho
Ezyh: aah I see
MSmits: thanks martinpapa69
AntiSquid: some things i can't help but find repulsive MSmits : https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2017/07/sea-snail-BAB.jpg
Ezyh: astrobytes test
martinpapa69: np
Ezyh: @astrobytes
Astrobytes: Ezyh passed
Ezyh: lol how you tag someone
Astrobytes: You don't need the @
MSmits: CG chat is next level
Ezyh: ow so it worked the 1st time?
Astrobytes: Yes
Ezyh: Msmits is this red
Astrobytes: Yes
MSmits: wth, how did you make it green
Ezyh: :joy:
AntiSquid: =>@Ezyh:
ya no worries it works
FalINTOblivion0112: codingame chat is the second best chat i have been chatting in
Ezyh: any of y'all do python btw
FalINTOblivion0112: I LOVE PYTHON
Ezyh: yeh fall, I just got here bro. these guys super chill
FalINTOblivion0112: python has become one of my essential organs
AntiSquid: ok, i'll bite, what's the best chat then FalINTOblivion0112
FalINTOblivion0112: unvoided guild discord server
Astrobytes: MSmits: some of that might be avx-able
MSmits: yeah, probably
Astrobytes: But I think a few are fast already
MSmits: don't think I am getting into that though. I just wanted to know why the paper thingy is faster.
MSmits: 2x2 and 3x3 were equally fast with my solver even though i dont use this symmetry
MSmits: but 3x4 they are 5 times faster
Astrobytes: Send them an email
MSmits: no they use symmetry, it says so in their paper
MSmits: so that's clear enough
Astrobytes: Oh, fair.
Ezyh: ok ima get to some coding. time to explore this place :neutral_face:
MSmits: just gonna finish 4x4 and then stop. 4x5 is what they managed to do and it took them 10 days
Astrobytes: I imagine that's not a linear solving time for larger sizes
MSmits: no
MSmits: 3x4 -> 1,5 seconds 4x4 270 seconds, 4x5 -> 10 days
MSmits: 5x5 is like a year or so, some guy from littlegolem did it
Astrobytes: damn, fair play
MSmits: I'm just happy my solver is on par and I am not missing any significant features. Aside from the symmetry thing, which is useless on CG
Astrobytes: Side project perhaps ;)
MSmits: nah, i am really done now :)
Astrobytes: I never believe that statement but OK :)
MSmits: I want to write at least 1 thing this vacation
MSmits: was gonna do uttt, but maybe i'll do D&B instead
MSmits: plenty to share
Astrobytes: write?
Astrobytes: Oh write a paper
MSmits: yeah, like a guide
MSmits: to writing a bot for it
Astrobytes: Hm, I think UTTT would be more beneficial for more users
MSmits: yeah
martinpapa69: hmm, uttt, sounds like a happy place for nn bots
MSmits: it's surprisingly difficult to pull off apparently
MSmits: nr 1 is still not a NN
Astrobytes: But don't let that stop you doing a D&B one either
MSmits: afaik. let me check
MSmits: nope karlis o still nr 1
MSmits: but this bot is insane
MSmits: so strong
MSmits: uttt leaderboard is: super strong karlis o, then 3 NNs with re curse as strongest, then 3 roughly equally strong normal mcts bots
martinpapa69: looks kinda trivial to port nn for this tbh
MSmits: it's not
MSmits: because of the miniboard switching mechanic
MSmits: you need to have a way of dealing this, to structure the input properly
MSmits: or your NN will be weak
martinpapa69: hmm
MSmits: afaik re curse and jace k both have custom nn's specifically for this reason
MSmits: dont know about robo's method
MSmits: btw, the main reason karlis o is able to hold out is that his bot plays nearly perfectly. The NN's also play nearly perfectly
MSmits: NN's dont have that much of an advantage over normal bots if the normal bots are already playing nearly perfectly... or at least 1 is
martinpapa69: sure
MSmits: I think karlis o has massive pruning in his expansion function. Lots of rules that he handcrafted
MSmits: his random rollout is nothing special anyways, he does have good performance though
MSmits: he did share that he has a 3k line bot
Peterpanda: do strong uttt bots use opening books?
MSmits: that depends on what you consider an opening book
Peterpanda: when i look at their games they always produce the same kind of patterns
MSmits: ahh thats not an opening book
MSmits: thats a heuristic
MSmits: player 1 always sends player 2 to the same board if the board is empty
MSmits: i used to have opening books but they are fairly weak
Peterpanda: that seems simple enough
Peterpanda: thx for the free elo XD
MSmits: unless you target them to specific players, which is a bit cheest
MSmits: np :)
MSmits: brb
Peterpanda: i have some ideas for using offline precomputed solver results, maybe you can tell me if they sound stupid or worthwhile to try
Peterpanda: this person https://minimax.dev/docs/ultimate/pn-search/ has some pretty sophisticated solver that could be used offline to solve games after ~20plys
FalINTOblivion0112: guys what is really minimax
reCurse: I mean you're going for uttt so it's hard not to answer with the former
FalINTOblivion0112: like what things can minimax be useful for
Peterpanda: i would precompute a whole bunch and store as many as codesize allows (just boardstate, no subtree)
Peterpanda: then use those nodes as pseudo terminal nodes for mcts to converge to
MSmits: Peterpanda the statespace is far too large for this method I am afraid
MSmits: you'll be able to store maybe 5-10k states this way
MSmits: uttt is not suitable for an endgame DB
MSmits: we have games that are
MSmits: oware and bandas for example
MSmits: i know that website you shared btw, i used some ideas for my expansion function
MSmits: also, the version of uttt he solves is not exactly the one we use
Peterpanda: ok, guess i should work on my expansion strategy than to gain more elo
Peterpanda: he doesnt have the board count wincon right?
MSmits: exactly
MSmits: this makes it harder to solve in our case
MSmits: his games can fairly quickly end in draw or become impossible to win for one side or other
MSmits: locally, I can fairly easily solve from ply 22-23 in a similar amount of time, but not 20
MSmits: I think it's even the case that his version, when fully solved, would be a draw
MSmits: and our version when fully solved would be a win for p1
MSmits: it's doable for p2 to counter p1 getting 3 in a row, but not to also avoid p1 having more won boards
Peterpanda: it seems you spent a lot of time on uttt :o
MSmits: too much
MSmits: there's a few games i spent too much time on
MSmits: uttt, oware, bandas, yavalath and now D&B
Peterpanda: i just started on here/first dive into ai programming/c++/optimizing code
MSmits: welcome
Astrobytes: These are timespans he will never get back, but he passes on the knowledge :D
MSmits: I try, but I should spend more time writing
Astrobytes: Truth.
MSmits: i mean in an article, instead of on chat
MSmits: eulers stats already show me at 1 for typed words
Astrobytes: Yes, many chat sermons can be condensed with the benefit of hindsight and experience
Astrobytes: He has a tool for that?
Astrobytes: Or that was just that day with the guessing game?
MSmits: yeah the guessing game
MSmits: but i think he used a tool
reCurse: Here is maximum condensation
reCurse: Don't uttt
MSmits: bah, haters gonna hate
Astrobytes: :D
reCurse: Hate is subjective, it doesn't apply to objective facts
Peterpanda: where does that sentiment come frome recurse?
reCurse: Condensation of hindsight and experience
MSmits: he has some good reasons that he finds more important than I do
reCurse: It's a really bad game
reCurse: There is so much better use of your time
MSmits: uttt is unbalanced between p1 and p2
MSmits: so you'll get relatively many draws
Peterpanda: pie rule could solve that no?
MSmits: yes, but it has no pie rule
reCurse: PIe rule is garbage
MSmits: it's not
MSmits: but there are better ways, i agree
MSmits: we agreed upon this last time
reCurse: You have the burden of not only figuring out the best move, but also figuring out the most balanced move because the game designer couldn't be bothered to balance it properly
reCurse: So you do two jobs
FalINTOblivion0112: what is pie rule
reCurse: Not fun
MSmits: no need to rehash the discussion, your point is clear :)
reCurse: Was he part of that conversation?
reCurse: He/she/it
MSmits: Peterpanda uttt is fine if you want to learn to code mcts and need a simple sim to test it with
MSmits: but i agree that, unless you enjoy it, you should not spend too much time after you're done experimenting with this algorithm
Peterpanda: yea i already spent some time on it (legend24 atm)
MSmits: there arent many games where just plain mcts will do very well
MSmits: oh thats very good Peterpanda
Peterpanda: but after you squashed my opening book and endgame db dreams i think there is not much left :)
reCurse: That is correct
MSmits: 24 these days is where the nr 1 was 2 yrs ago
MSmits: for a whole year
reCurse: Not true?
reCurse: He's 13 now
MSmits: oh is he?
MSmits: I thought he was around 20 by now
reCurse: Well it fluctuates because the game is so contrasted
MSmits: true
MSmits: Peterpanda are you looking for a game where you can do things like opening books or endgame db or both?
Peterpanda: not really, i was mostly looking to learn mcts
Peterpanda: and then rank up as high as possible
MSmits: ahh ok, connect4 and bandas are 2 games where you can quickly code a good mcts and have the best algorithm for the game afaik
MSmits: connect4 can use a smart rollout for better result
MSmits: if you want to do away with random rollouts and use eval functions in your mcts, there's games for that too
MSmits: it works well in oware for example
MSmits: onitama also
Peterpanda: sounds good, maybe i'll try those next :)
MSmits: if you try oware, just remember it's infested with neural networks. If you get to rank 15 or so, you did great
Peterpanda: nns have to be pretty small on CG right?
Peterpanda: no alphazero like
reCurse: Ironic
MSmits: they're all azero Peterpanda, almost
reCurse: The reason oware is infested with neural networks is because someone published a repo with cgzero
Peterpanda: ok :P
MSmits: azero is a method, it's not a size. It can be any size really
MSmits: they are of course nowhere near the ones produced by the original azero, but the games are simple enough
Peterpanda: well that was what i meant :P
Dohmanlechx: Isn't the Temperatures test broken? It says always display the positive value if there are two numbers equally close to zero (-5 and 5, then display 5).
Still the test expects -5 and not 5
MSmits: their networks can still have like 100k weights if they want to
MSmits: just not millions
reCurse: 192 thousand persons beg to differ Dohmanlechx
Dohmanlechx: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6722336e-5874-449d-8ae0-860eebce238c
MSmits: maybe the correct answer was -5 and there was no 5 in the set
Dohmanlechx: Oh, I just realized my mistake! Was logging absolute value in between
MSmits: yeah
Peterpanda: anyways, i'm going to bed. thanks for the chat msmits :)
MSmits: gn!
Dominic_007: gn
swanton: why is there ablm fist in the word calsh
ericlovesmath: I mean I see that fist everywhere in non-BLM contexts
ericlovesmath: I think you're reading too much into it lol
Astrobytes: hm?
Dohmanlechx: I solved the temperatures task, time to sleep! BTW, I can recommend TIS-100 game on Steam!
Guju: can you play clash of code but with a friend only?
Guju: like 1v1?
xxd: private clash
Guju: how?
vulca: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/clashofcode
Scroll down to "Start a private clash"
Guju: cheers
Dohmanlechx: Can I find all my solutions at one place?
Astrobytes: Dohmanlechx: All the Zachtronics games are awesome tbh
FalINTOblivion0112: yes
FalINTOblivion0112: i am doing clash of code nonstop
xxd: What are the requisites to go to the next league/division? Is there a specific place I need to be
jacek: be above the boss
xxd: Thanks
xxd: How do I play the boss though?
ViviCode: choose "test in arena", your ranking is calculated automatically
jacek: you submit the code to arena and fight others in the leaderboard
xxd: Yeah... I'm 156th and I don't think I got high enough to even have a chance against the boss
ViviCode: you need to be 0th :)
xxd: ;-;
jacek: what game
xxd: Legends of Code & Magic
xxd: Bronze 2 : (
ViviCode: I'm currently 143rd in wood 2 league of Ghost in the Cell, I feel ya ;)
xxd: what is a good, introductory bot-programming challenge that isn't so overwhelming with rules
xxd: like LoCM is pretty fun for me because i used to love hearthstone but there are so many dastardly rules (imo)
juice0: ultimate tic tac toe is relatively straightforward, at least out of the handful i've tried so far
FalINTOblivion0112: YES
FalINTOblivion0112: top 2000 clash of code
FalINTOblivion0112: 1000 more to go
ViviCode: grats!
FalINTOblivion0112: thank you
FalINTOblivion0112: the codingame community is awesome
FalINTOblivion0112: who needs a girlfriend when codingame is a thing
ViviCode: lol
xxd: i love clash of code but i think i've plateau'd at ~120th
FalINTOblivion0112: well im around the 1900's
FalINTOblivion0112: not even close to the 1000's
xxd: When creating a contribution, when should Variable style and Constant style be used?
KatMan911: if you want to annoy the fuck out of many people, make up the longest, most descriptive, var names possible
xxd: But my question was when to use Variable vs Constant
KatMan911: ah. I'd just follow accepted rules for that particular language
FalINTOblivion0112: you use variable when the value varies and constant if the value stays fixed
KatMan911: yeah, which is pretty much what the rules are normally :)
xxd: yeah, but i think i've seen conflicting usage in clashes so i got a bit confused
10Casac: wouldn't it be for describing the variables passed as input? The bottom of the statement help shows examples when creating. Not sure about constants, usually puzzles don't use them.
xxd: I see
xxd: I don't see the styles render in my private contribution though so I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly...
10Casac: when you're done you can test in IDE and it renders it for you
KatMan911: did the site change its behavior recently for anyone? I don't see the mouseover popups for users anymore, all of a sudden.
FalINTOblivion0112: same! can the codingame mods do anything about that?
ZarthaxX: its just broken
ZarthaxX: will be fixed eventually
Wontonimo: friday, from what i hear
Wontonimo: until then, we are all equal
Wontonimo: mods are just regular users who have been trusted with the ability to kick. they don't have anything more than that I believe.
ZarthaxX: i can just look up your profile :P
Wontonimo: noooooooo
ZarthaxX: right
Wontonimo: okay, take a quick look
ZarthaxX: i already did :P
Wontonimo: it's totally normal because we are both wearing socks
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
ZarthaxX: the heck
KatMan911: Wow. All this intimacy and lovey-dovey crap. I'm just here for some hard CoCs.
Wontonimo: what are you coding these days ZarthaxX ?
Wontonimo: I finally shook my apathy away and ported my UTTT to C4. I'm happy enough with it.
Wontonimo: KatMan911, step away from CoC and come join the cool kids battle bots against eachother
Wontonimo: Check out these peoples bots that are programmed to race around the checkpoints https://www.codingame.com/replay/573676032
Wontonimo: they are not even slowing down properly to make a turn! Surely you can beat them KatMan911!
Wontonimo: come join the bot battles!
ZarthaxX: i havent been coding anything
ZarthaxX: busy studying
ZarthaxX: oh btw finished that course, got a 9/10
ZarthaxX: how is that C4 bot?
Wontonimo: NICE !
Wontonimo: that was a crazy week (or was it 2, i forget)
Wontonimo: i'm happy with my 17th place in C4. It's just MCTS + solver. Nothing "special" specific to C4.
ZarthaxX: one week
ZarthaxX: but was an easy exam anyway
ZarthaxX: hell yeah 17 :O
Wontonimo: but i did optimize the snot out of MCTS and the C4 rules, using uint64 for the state
ZarthaxX: i want to go back to bots ;(
Wontonimo: :D thanks
ZarthaxX: but i really want to do this final exam
ZarthaxX: oh uint64 in C4 is amazing
ZarthaxX: the operations to find a win are awesome
ZarthaxX: bits ops i mean
Wontonimo: yeah, struct said it was possible and gave a very small snip of code to get available next moves
Wontonimo: so i decided to actually puzzle over it
Wontonimo: before that I was going to use 128
ZarthaxX: oh cool
ZarthaxX: i thought this C4 version had modified width & height
Wontonimo: it's 9x7, so first in 63bits.
Wontonimo: another reference i read on bitboarding such games is to put a boarder around the game so when you shift and & the board to
Wontonimo: find pieces in a row you don't end up wrapping around
Wontonimo: ah, the trick here is to blank out all the illegal wrapped around bits of the shifted board when &'ing it with the original
Wontonimo: well, that's what i thought the "trick" was, and that's how i did it. maybe there's a sneaker way.
Wontonimo: there has to be, because struct has many times more rollouts than i do
ZarthaxX: oh 63 bits, nice
ZarthaxX: but if you add that border thingie you cant fit it in 64 bits
Wontonimo: yeah, so i dont
ZarthaxX: you could just ask struct :P
ZarthaxX: ah okey
Wontonimo: ahah, yeah i could
Wontonimo: it was very rewarding to work it out myself
ZarthaxX: bit tricks are always satisfying to discover
ZarthaxX: :D
Wontonimo: i don't think i could go back to arrays when working with such small boards.
Wontonimo: the bots that beat mine set up traps, such that in a column they have two wins in a row. If they build up to the first and i block, they win with the second
Wontonimo: very consistantly
Wontonimo: i have no "special" code to try that
ZarthaxX: did it just emerge??
ZarthaxX: you are missing the last part, play against your bot and get demolished haha
Phoenix.: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/xbF-aDh-HmD-rrq
Altonormz: good morning good, people
